Sopranos: The Final Season

[A.Life.Age.X]

GA was so wrong. They want us to think Tony was blown away.

Other people reminded me about the conversation between Tony & Bobby on the boat in the 1st episode. Definitely think they were trying to imply Tony was whacked.

[A.Life.Age.X]

That episode was awesome. And as soon as I get home and rewatch episode 78, I'll tell you why it was awesome.

so you think he was whacked too?

[General Apathy]

No way

[General Apathy]

The "we're gonna win" comment made me think that they had just picked up something tangible that they could use in a RICO case against Tony et al.



I agree, basically it seems they have proof of Tony ordering the hit against Phil. It's an interesting side story in that the FBI may have leaked the information to Tony that allows Tony to commit a crime that the FBI can then bust him for?

[Sotally Tober]

The "we're gonna win" comment made me think that they had just picked up something tangible that they could use in a RICO case against Tony et al.

I think that was an FBI chick that he was sleeping with (cheating on his wife). I got that idea from the phone call he had with Tony in the car, where he was very irritated with whoever was on the other end. It sounded like a husband/wife conversation.

I thought the same thing. Except Harris was no longer doing mob work. Not that he couldn't still feel vested in the whole thing. I figured he heard Carlo was switching over, they had the goods on Tony, they told Harris about it, and he was excited about it.

As for the mistress, yeah, I figured it for the wife. The mistress didn't add much to the story, but she was giving him a weird look as she got dressed.

[TOTEM]

I'm satisfied with the ending. if they had just shown him getting killed or they let you know that he would be ok for the next 100 years, it wouldn't have been as good i don't think. i just wish they had drawn out the phil hit a little more to be something awesome like the bobby hit.

No one needed to be killed to make it a good episode. Where it fell drastically short was that it was the last episode ever and it did not answer a damn thing. They built the story line up for 6 seasons for nothing. Oz was not even on the same level as the Sopranos, but at least their last episode was dramatic and showed why it was the last. The Sopranos should have ended in a fashion that left all the fans of the show since day one satisfied, which it did not.

[win diesel]

I agree, basically it seems they have proof of Tony ordering the hit against Phil. It's an interesting side story in that the FBI may have leaked the information to Tony that allows Tony to commit a crime that the FBI can then bust him for?

I think you guys are overthinking on this one. I took it to mean that Tony and agent Harris are sort of buds and teammates. He was happy for Tony.

[SamTheEagle]

so you think he was whacked too?

I'll let you know as soon as I get home and rewatch episode 78.

[Samantha]

I think you guys are overthinking on this one. I took it to mean that Tony and agent Harris are sort of buds and teammates. He was happy for Tony.

They aren't buds or teammates, one is in the mob and the other is FBI. But it's not unusual for the two paths to cross and for them to be friendly toward each other on occasion like Harris and Tony were. You know, keep your friends close and your enemies closer kind of thing.

I heard "I'm gonna win!" not "we're gonna win" and so my first thought was an inside death pool at the FBI. :shrug: Although Harris would be cheating since he tipped off Tony to Phil's location.

Probably had to do with the case they were building though. :yawn:

[Hal Coldvice]

I thought the same thing. Except Harris was no longer doing mob work. Not that he couldn't still feel vested in the whole thing. I figured he heard Carlo was switching over, they had the goods on Tony, they told Harris about it, and he was excited about it.

As for the mistress, yeah, I figured it for the wife. The mistress didn't add much to the story, but she was giving him a weird look as she got dressed.


As for the mistress, that couldn't be his wife. In many conversations before, Harris's FBI life got in the way of his family. And after reading what you say here ST, I realized that the mistress is "the friend in the NY office" that was supplying the info him regarding Phil's whereabouts. I'm certain she was giving him the looks b/c she either didn't approve of his conversation or she didn't know who he was talking to. (I don't recall the exact phone conversation).

As for the "we're going to win this thing." He has to be talking about the FBI taking down the mob, knowing that they have the goods on Tony. How can people think the FBI set up Tony to put the hit on Phil. It was one of his crew that did it. How could they prove Tony had anything to do with Phil's death.

Man, my head hurt a little when I heard the crunch of Phil's head, but certainly not as much as my jaw hurts everytime I think about Tony curbstomping Coco.

[SamTheEagle]

They aren't buds or teammates, one is in the mob and the other is FBI. But it's not unusual for the two paths to cross and for them to be friendly toward each other on occasion like Harris and Tony were. You know, keep your friends close and your enemies closer kind of thing.

I heard "I'm gonna win!" not "we're gonna win" and so my first thought was an inside death pool at the FBI. :shrug: Although Harris would be cheating since he tipped off Tony to Phil's location.

Probably had to do with the case they were building though. :yawn:

It was definitely a "we". But did he say "win"? I thought he said something like "We're giong to beat this thing!".

ETA: That's right, win this thing. He said we're going to win this thing.

[Hal Coldvice]

and so my first thought was an inside death pool at the FBI. :shrug: Although Harris would be cheating since he tipped off Tony to Phil's location.


YES! I thought this same thing right as he said it.

[Hal Coldvice]

It was definitely a "we". But did he say "win"? I thought he said something like "We're giong to beat this thing!".


I was almost certain it was "we're going to win this thing."

[djtrifecta]

The last scene was phenomenal, I just about had a heart attack.

Another site said it pretty well:

"Seriously, I think this was a test.

Hated it: You never understood the show. You may have thought you liked it, but I bet you *****ed about everything NOT about the mob. Didn't you? You hated everything NOT involving a greasy mobster beating someone up or whacking someone. Didn't you? You wanted Goodfellas(or the Godfather) on TV. You hated all the weird side trips and dream sequences, you loathed Kevin Finnerty. You would never have been satisfied with any ending that didn't involve a bloodbath.

Loved It: You understood the show was about more than the ****ing mob. I'm baking all five of you a special imaginary cookie.

It's not about intelligence, it's about what you wanted from the show, if you wanted the show to be something it never claimed to be, you hated the ending.

If you wanted the show to be what it was, whatever that was, and you were willing to go along for the ride, you enjoyed it.

If you wanted Goodfellas, you would never have gotten it, because Chase wasn't making Goodfellas.

I've seen this in my own family. I loved it, because I enjoyed every weird moment of the show, my brother, hated it was annoyed, because he wanted blood and guts and whackings.

And this is what annoys me, people who hated it hated it for all the wrong reasons, because it was never what they wanted it to be, and this ending shoved that in their faces."

[L. Mo]

My only complaint is just do a soft fade of black, instead of the cutoff.


yea, I thought it was my Direct TV freaking out again.
(watched it this morning, and about 18 minutes in, my DTV connection went off... :swear: so when it went black at the end, I thought it happened again!)

As for the ep - lame. I thought for sure Tony had to die in order for the show to really be over. Otherwise, they're going to consider bringing it back.

Anyone else freaked by an empty Bing?

[SamTheEagle]

It couldn't be a soft fade to black. It had to be sudden.

[Tobias Funke]

When the screen went black, I grabbed the remote and gave it a punch, thinking the cable went out. Then, something really odd happened. Ric Astley appeared on the screen and he was singing "Never gonna give you up".

David Chase, that was teh best Rickroll EVER!!1!

[General Apathy]

I think you guys are overthinking on this one. I took it to mean that Tony and agent Harris are sort of buds and teammates. He was happy for Tony.

Hrrm. I'm not convinced.

I'll probably watch it again.

[General Apathy]

It couldn't be a soft fade to black. It had to be sudden.

ITA

[HangerAngler]

As for the mistress, that couldn't be his wife. In many conversations before, Harris's FBI life got in the way of his family. And after reading what you say here ST, I realized that the mistress is "the friend in the NY office" that was supplying the info him regarding Phil's whereabouts. I'm certain she was giving him the looks b/c she either didn't approve of his conversation or she didn't know who he was talking to. (I don't recall the exact phone conversation).

As for the "we're going to win this thing." He has to be talking about the FBI taking down the mob, knowing that they have the goods on Tony. How can people think the FBI set up Tony to put the hit on Phil. It was one of his crew that did it. How could they prove Tony had anything to do with Phil's death.

Man, my head hurt a little when I heard the crunch of Phil's head, but certainly not as much as my jaw hurts everytime I think about Tony curbstomping Coco.

WRT the bolded section: easy. Each side of this battle can feed the other a lead or something useful from time to time so that they each get some success along the way. The mob bosses hand over some information to get some criminals arrested, and the FBI people occasionally give some information out that helps one side of a criminal organization battle. They are both bribing the other.

[Hal Coldvice]

WRT the bolded section: easy. Each side of this battle can feed the other a lead or something useful from time to time so that they each get some success along the way. The mob bosses hand over some information to get some criminals arrested, and the FBI people occasionally give some information out that helps one side of a criminal organization battle. They are both bribing the other.

I guess what I meant, was: how can they put him up to the hit thinking they'll nail him for that specific hit.

[HangerAngler]

Franchising hurts mob business, doesn't it?

[HangerAngler]

I guess what I meant, was: how can they put him up to the hit thinking they'll nail him for that specific hit.

Entrapment.

[General Apathy]

They also specifically put in the scene where they were taping Tony's conversations. And the lawyer said an indictment was 80% likely.

So I am just assuming that the feds comments were related to busting tony.

[A.Life.Age.X]

Anyone else freaked by an empty Bing?

nah, I was mucuh more freaked out by that scene a few years ago that Paulie confessed to Tony

[Super Silver Haze]

If you wanted the show to be what it was, whatever that was, and you were willing to go along for the ride, you enjoyed it.
"If you unquestioningly liked everything about this show then you liked the ending." Okay, thanks.

[win diesel]

Hrrm. I'm not convinced.

I'll probably watch it again.

Remember the Christmas present Harris gave Tony last year? Warning him about NY. Plus I think it was mentioned that Harris does not like Phil, something to do with something Phil did to an undercover? (Does anyone know about this?)

Harris is in a different unit and is no longer after Tony. He realizes there is much bigger firsh to fry. I definitely do think they have a bond and when he said "we" he considered it a win for Tony, NJ, and himself.

How can one not consider them teammates after all of the assists they have given each other? If they were wearing basketball uniforms, it would be Stockton to Malone.

[General Apathy]

your right

[General Apathy]

I think that was an FBI chick that he was sleeping with (cheating on his wife). .

I thought that was maybe his brooklyn connection :shrug:

[General Apathy]

"If you unquestioningly liked everything about this show then you liked the ending." Okay, thanks.

HATERZ

[djtrifecta]

"If you unquestioningly liked everything about this show then you liked the ending."

That is what you thought the quote meant? If you seriously did you need to re-read it.

[A.Life.Age.X]

The Jersey ice cream shop location for the final scene leaked months ago (I heard it on Opie & Anthony). Does anyone know the name/location of that store? I want to go there and sit in that booth and eat onion rings.

[djtrifecta]

Does anyone know the name/location of that store? I want to go there and sit in that booth and eat onion rings.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/23/nyregion/23sopranos.html?ex=1332302400&en=adfd32cdd7a7599e&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss

[Patience]

The Jersey ice cream shop location for the final scene leaked months ago (I heard it on Opie & Anthony). Does anyone know the name/location of that store? I want to go there and sit in that booth and eat onion rings.

No, but the train store (where Bobby got it) is in my neighborhood.

[Baron Von Raschke]

Most people will hate the end of the Sopranos, but then again, most people suck. David Chase handled the ending with the same delicate, subtle nature that he did the entire show. The ending showed us that this is the life Tony made for himself, a life of fear, a life where you should concentrate on the good moments (as AJ said) because there will be bad ones to come (like his impending arrest). It was well done. To anyone expecting a bloodbath, go rent Cleaver. You've been watching the wrong show all these years. Oh, and if you tell me im wrong, up yours.

[A.Life.Age.X]

Friend just fwd this to me. Can't verify any of the connections yet. Might be a total crock.
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OK, at first I was really angry. I mean really, really angry. I
> > can't believe though that no-one has posted by now what happened.
> > The only thing I saw that was right, was that in the last scene we
> > are seeing through Tony's eyes. Remember when he was speaking with
> > Bobby...basically saying that you don't see it happening?
> >
> > So here is what I found out. The guy at the bar is also credited as
> > Nikki Leotardo. The same actor played him in the first part of
> > season
> > 6 during a brief sit down concerning the future of Vito. That wasn't
> > that long ago. Apparently, he is the nephew of Phil. Phil's brother
> > Nikki Senior was killed in 1976 in a car accident. Absolutely
> > Genius!!!! David Chase is truly rewarding the true fans who pay
> > attention to detail.
> >
> > So the point would have been that life continues and we may never
> > know
>
> > the end of the Sopranos. But if you pay attention to the history,
> > you will find that all the answers lie in the characters in the
> > restaurant. The trucker was the brother of the guy who was robbed by
> > Christopher in Season 2. Remember the DVD players? The trucker had
> > to identify the body. The boy scouts were in the train store when
> > bobby got shot last week and the black guys at the end were the ones
> > who tried to kill Tony and only clipped him in the ear (was that
> > season 2 or 3?). Car jack episode
> >
> > Absolutely incredible!!!! There were three people in the restaurant
> > who had reason to kill Tony and then it just ends. This was Chase's
> > way of proving that he will not escape his past. It will not go on
> > forever despite that he would like it to "don't stop". Not the fans!!!
> > Tony would like it to keep going but just as we have to say goodbye,
> > so does he. No more Tony and I guess we are supposed to be happy
> > that Meadow didn't get clipped as well (she would have been between
> > the shooter and Tony) since she is the only one worth a crap in that
> > family.

[HangerAngler]

PREVIOUSLY ON LOST

[Bullfrog1220]

Earlier in the season, there was the scene where Tony and Bobby were sitting in the boat talking about the future, and one brought up what happens when they do finally get killed. One of them said something along the lines of "I guess you'll be doing your thing, and then pop! it all goes black". They even replayed that scene at the end of the second-to-last episode.

In my mind, the show ended with Tony getting killed. There were many parallels between him and Phil Leotardo in the last few episodes, and I think that getting killed right in front of their family was the final one.

[General Apathy]

Friend just fwd this to me. Can't verify any of the connections yet. Might be a total crock.
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OK, at first I was really angry. I mean really, really angry. I
> > can't believe though that no-one has posted by now what happened.
> > The only thing I saw that was right, was that in the last scene we
> > are seeing through Tony's eyes. Remember when he was speaking with
> > Bobby...basically saying that you don't see it happening?
> >
> > So here is what I found out. The guy at the bar is also credited as
> > Nikki Leotardo. The same actor played him in the first part of
> > season
> > 6 during a brief sit down concerning the future of Vito. That wasn't
> > that long ago. Apparently, he is the nephew of Phil. Phil's brother
> > Nikki Senior was killed in 1976 in a car accident. Absolutely
> > Genius!!!! David Chase is truly rewarding the true fans who pay
> > attention to detail.
> >
> > So the point would have been that life continues and we may never
> > know
>
> > the end of the Sopranos. But if you pay attention to the history,
> > you will find that all the answers lie in the characters in the
> > restaurant. The trucker was the brother of the guy who was robbed by
> > Christopher in Season 2. Remember the DVD players? The trucker had
> > to identify the body. The boy scouts were in the train store when
> > bobby got shot last week and the black guys at the end were the ones
> > who tried to kill Tony and only clipped him in the ear (was that
> > season 2 or 3?). Car jack episode
> >
> > Absolutely incredible!!!! There were three people in the restaurant
> > who had reason to kill Tony and then it just ends. This was Chase's
> > way of proving that he will not escape his past. It will not go on
> > forever despite that he would like it to "don't stop". Not the fans!!!
> > Tony would like it to keep going but just as we have to say goodbye,
> > so does he. No more Tony and I guess we are supposed to be happy
> > that Meadow didn't get clipped as well (she would have been between
> > the shooter and Tony) since she is the only one worth a crap in that
> > family.

HMMMM

OK You may be right!

If all that is true it makes me love the show more.

[shadyridr]

Friend just fwd this to me. Can't verify any of the connections yet. Might be a total crock.
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OK, at first I was really angry. I mean really, really angry. I
> > can't believe though that no-one has posted by now what happened.
> > The only thing I saw that was right, was that in the last scene we
> > are seeing through Tony's eyes. Remember when he was speaking with
> > Bobby...basically saying that you don't see it happening?
> >
> > So here is what I found out. The guy at the bar is also credited as
> > Nikki Leotardo. The same actor played him in the first part of
> > season
> > 6 during a brief sit down concerning the future of Vito. That wasn't
> > that long ago. Apparently, he is the nephew of Phil. Phil's brother
> > Nikki Senior was killed in 1976 in a car accident. Absolutely
> > Genius!!!! David Chase is truly rewarding the true fans who pay
> > attention to detail.
> >
> > So the point would have been that life continues and we may never
> > know
>
> > the end of the Sopranos. But if you pay attention to the history,
> > you will find that all the answers lie in the characters in the
> > restaurant. The trucker was the brother of the guy who was robbed by
> > Christopher in Season 2. Remember the DVD players? The trucker had
> > to identify the body. The boy scouts were in the train store when
> > bobby got shot last week and the black guys at the end were the ones
> > who tried to kill Tony and only clipped him in the ear (was that
> > season 2 or 3?). Car jack episode
> >
> > Absolutely incredible!!!! There were three people in the restaurant
> > who had reason to kill Tony and then it just ends. This was Chase's
> > way of proving that he will not escape his past. It will not go on
> > forever despite that he would like it to "don't stop". Not the fans!!!
> > Tony would like it to keep going but just as we have to say goodbye,
> > so does he. No more Tony and I guess we are supposed to be happy
> > that Meadow didn't get clipped as well (she would have been between
> > the shooter and Tony) since she is the only one worth a crap in that
> > family.

:lol: I saw this nonsense on another board. None of those connections are real. The original poster just made all of those connections up.

[General Apathy]

:swear:

[TOTEM]

Friend just fwd this to me. Can't verify any of the connections yet. Might be a total crock.
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Meadow didn't get clipped as well (she would have been between
> > the shooter and Tony) since she is the only one worth a crap in that
> > family.

Meadow was the most annoying character on the show from day one.

[General Apathy]

Meadow was the most annoying character on the show from day one.


except that one time she showed up in her undies

NSFW ish


http://the-feeding-tube.com/media/1/20060317-jamie-dance-01.jpg

[SamTheEagle]

Earlier in the season, there was the scene where Tony and Bobby were sitting in the boat talking about the future, and one brought up what happens when they do finally get killed. One of them said something along the lines of "I guess you'll be doing your thing, and then pop! it all goes black". They even replayed that scene at the end of the second-to-last episode.

In my mind, the show ended with Tony getting killed. There were many parallels between him and Phil Leotardo in the last few episodes, and I think that getting killed right in front of their family was the final one.

Alright, I went back and rewatched the boat scene from the first episode this season. Bobby says "You probably don't even hear it coming." Nothing about it all goes black.

[General Apathy]

good work man

[SamTheEagle]

Just checked out the second to last episode. The flashback is to Bobby saying that. I am of the opinion that the boat ride was foreshadowing Bobby's death and had nothing to do with the final episode.

[General Apathy]

That makes more sense, althought Bobby's death was certainly telescoped

[General Apathy]

Paolo Colandrea, a 47-year-old owner of a pizza joint in Penndel, Penn., played the mysterious man wearing a Member’s Only jacket sitting at the bar. He was shown going to the bathroom — a way station of assassination to fans of “The Godfather.”

When a relative of Colandrea’s picked up the phone at his pizza shop, he exclaimed: “You’re trying to get in touch with him? Everyone’s trying to get in touch with him!”

But if Colandrea’s character was there to kill Tony Soprano, the actor who played him isn’t saying.

“I do have an idea, but I cannot really talk,” Colandrea said Monday. “I have papers signed that I can’t make any comments on that.”

Colandrea, who was born in Naples, auditioned for the role after a casting agent stopped for a bite at his shop. He claims to know definitely his character’s intent and what happens following the episode’s conclusion, but won’t divulge it. (A bit of trivia: Colandrea’s character wears a Member’s Only jacket; the first episode of the final season was titled “Member’s Only.”)

Most have read the ending as deliberately ambiguous, leaving a myriad of reasonable conclusions for the audience to decipher. Colandrea’s perspective, though, would have it that there’s an answer to the puzzle worth hiding.

msnbc.com

[2pac Shakur]

Can I sue HBO to get that hour of my life back?
Ought to be worth at least a buck forty nine.

[General Apathy]

big surprise that you didn't understand

[HangerAngler]

Gunwaverz

[A.Life.Age.X]

First link debunks the email my sister sent from yesterday. Second references a David Chase interview. Let me know if you can't read the articles without an account and I'll send them through nytimes.com

http://screens.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/06/11/sopranos-solved-or-i-guess-you-never-hear-it-coming-when-its-your-turn/

http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/06/12/sopranos-director-jumps-into-the-debate/

[SamTheEagle]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19236576/?GT1=10056

[Tony Soprano is dead theory gains credence
In one episode, Bobby described being killed as ‘everything just goes black’


Updated: 9:52 p.m. ET June 14, 2007
LOS ANGELES - Fans of “The Sopranos” are seizing on clues suggesting the controversial blackout which abruptly ended the TV mob drama meant that Tony Soprano was rubbed out, and HBO said on Thursday they may be on to something.

One clue in particular, a flashback in the penultimate episode to a conversation between Tony and his brother-in-law about death, gained credence as an HBO spokesman called it a “legitimate” hint and confirmed that series creator David Chase had a definite ending in mind.

“While he won’t say to me 100 percent what it all means, he says some people who’ve guessed have come closer than others,” HBO spokesman Quentin Schaffer told Reuters after speaking to Chase.

“There are definitely things there that he intended for people to pick up on,” Schaffer said.

Chase himself suggested as much in an interview on Tuesday with The Star-Ledger newspaper of New Jersey when he said of his end to the HBO series, “Anyone who wants to watch it, it’s all there.”

In the final moments of Sunday’s concluding episode, Tony, the conflicted mob boss who has just survived a round of gangland warfare, sits in a diner with his family munching on onion rings as the 1980s song by rock band Journey, “Don’t Stop Believing,” blares from a juke box.

Tension builds as a suspicious man wearing a “Members Only” jacket eyes Tony from a nearby counter before slipping into a restroom. Then, as Tony looks toward the restaurant’s entrance, the screen abruptly goes blank in mid-scene — with no picture or sound for 10 seconds — until the credits roll silently.

Stunned viewers, many initially believing something had gone wrong with their cable TV reception, were left wondering whether Tony ended up “whacked” or whether his sordid life went on as usual.

The jarring, fill-in-the-blank finale, concluding a show widely hailed as America’s greatest television drama, sparked a furious debate about whether Chase had conceived of an actual ending and whether he left the audience any clues.

The biggest hint, according to a consensus taking shape on the Web, is a scene from an earlier episode in which Tony and his brother-in-law, Bobby Bacala, muse about what it feels like to die.

“At the end, you probably don’t hear anything, everything just goes black,” Bobby says while they sit fishing in a small boat on a lake.

That scene is recalled briefly in a flashback played at the end of the penultimate “Sopranos” episode, as Tony is lying in the darkened room of a safehouse clutching a machine gun to his chest in the midst of a mob war.

“I think that is one of the most legitimate things to look at,” Schaffer said when asked about theories that the Bobby Bacala flashback was meant to foreshadow Tony’s death.

Moreover, he said the man in the “Members Only” jacket could be interpreted as a symbolic reference to membership in the mob. “Members Only” also was the title of the episode in which Tony’s demented Uncle Junior shoots him in the gut.

The “Members Only” guy was played by the owner of a real-life pizza parlor, Paolo Colandrea. Schaffer denied reports that Colandrea had appeared earlier in the series as the nephew of Tony’s New York gang rival, or that there ever was such a character. He also dismissed reports that Chase had filmed more than one ending to the finale.


I went back and rewatched the episode a few nights ago specifically to hear that line... and it's never said! All he said was "You probably don't hear anything". Does Reuters not do fact-checking anymore, or have I gone completely insane?

[llcooljabe]

http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/1919/sopranosheresyourendingve4.png

There you have it.

[General Apathy]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19236576/?GT1=10056



I went back and rewatched the episode a few nights ago specifically to hear that line... and it's never said! All he said was "You probably don't hear anything". Does Reuters not do fact-checking anymore, or have I gone completely insane?

Funny, I read that article and said that I can't believe Sam would be wrong. I am glad to hear it is msnbc that is wrong

[Guest]

The last scene was phenomenal, I just about had a heart attack.

Another site said it pretty well:

"Seriously, I think this was a test.

Hated it: You never understood the show. You may have thought you liked it, but I bet you *****ed about everything NOT about the mob. Didn't you? You hated everything NOT involving a greasy mobster beating someone up or whacking someone. Didn't you? You wanted Goodfellas(or the Godfather) on TV. You hated all the weird side trips and dream sequences, you loathed Kevin Finnerty. You would never have been satisfied with any ending that didn't involve a bloodbath.

Loved It: You understood the show was about more than the ****ing mob. I'm baking all five of you a special imaginary cookie.

It's not about intelligence, it's about what you wanted from the show, if you wanted the show to be something it never claimed to be, you hated the ending.

If you wanted the show to be what it was, whatever that was, and you were willing to go along for the ride, you enjoyed it.

If you wanted Goodfellas, you would never have gotten it, because Chase wasn't making Goodfellas.

I've seen this in my own family. I loved it, because I enjoyed every weird moment of the show, my brother, hated it was annoyed, because he wanted blood and guts and whackings.

And this is what annoys me, people who hated it hated it for all the wrong reasons, because it was never what they wanted it to be, and this ending shoved that in their faces."

What a complete load of crap... I loved that show, and in general what I love was NOT the mob stuff.

The absolute best episode ever was the one where Melfi is raped and the last scene you (the viewer) are just BEGGING her to come out and tell Tony b/c you want to see the guy get totally destroyed, as Melfi does.... but Melfi's bigger than that. She doesn't lower herself to the violence that's at her diposal. That was about good and evil, not about "the Mob."

Anyway, it's pure nosense that the people who hated the last episode "didn't get" the show. The fact that it's Friday and you guys ( and many many others) are still arguing over what the last scene meant shows what crap it was. 4 days later and MSNBC is reporting the theoretical consensus of ten internets? Gimme a frickin' break. There's no reason for Chase to play hide-n-seek with his fans.

He had two years to think up a proper ending and he failed.

[djtrifecta]

I loved that show, and in general what I love was NOT the mob stuff.

My point exactly.

Anyway, it's pure nosense that the people who hated the last episode "didn't get" the show.

I agree it's a bit harsh to say that those people never understood the show, but if they found the ending a surprise then they certainly didn't follow the last three seasons closely. If you expected a guns blazing finale after watching every episode leading into it, you certainly missed the direction of the series. The passage I quoted in the original post was extreme, but I thought it was applicable.

Did he end the show well? That's your own opinion.
Was the ending appropriate? Absolutely.

[Baron Von Raschke]

Anyway, it's pure nosense that the people who hated the last episode "didn't get" the show. The fact that it's Friday and you guys ( and many many others) are still arguing over what the last scene meant shows what crap it was. 4 days later and MSNBC is reporting the theoretical consensus of ten internets? Gimme a frickin' break. There's no reason for Chase to play hide-n-seek with his fans.

He had two years to think up a proper ending and he failed.

:meltdown:

Just because you didn't get it doesn't mean it was crap.

[Tobias Funke]

The last episode was terrific. That last sequence was awesome too and reminded me of the first time I had sex... in so many ways....

- A song by Journey was playing
- I have kept thinking about it and replaying the scene in my head ever since
- The girl kinda looked like Tony too
- It was all over before the end of the song
- The words "Don't stop" were the last thing I heard.

[General Apathy]

What a complete load of crap... I loved that show, and in general what I love was NOT the mob stuff.

The absolute best episode ever was the one where Melfi is raped and the last scene you (the viewer) are just BEGGING her to come out and tell Tony b/c you want to see the guy get totally destroyed, as Melfi does.... but Melfi's bigger than that. She doesn't lower herself to the violence that's at her diposal. That was about good and evil, not about "the Mob."

Anyway, it's pure nosense that the people who hated the last episode "didn't get" the show. The fact that it's Friday and you guys ( and many many others) are still arguing over what the last scene meant shows what crap it was. 4 days later and MSNBC is reporting the theoretical consensus of ten internets? Gimme a frickin' break. There's no reason for Chase to play hide-n-seek with his fans.

He had two years to think up a proper ending and he failed.

What an idiot

[General Apathy]

I watched the last episode again last night.

Gave me chills.

[A.Life.Age.X]

I gotta admit the last scene in Holsten's is incredible film making. The cut to black still doesn't settle too well with me but everything leading up to that was pure genius.

[SamTheEagle]

The fact that it's Friday and you guys ( and many many others) are still arguing over what the last scene meant shows what crap it was.


Now come on, this is silly.

[Samantha]

The absolute best episode ever was the one where Melfi is raped

Agreed, that's my favorite episode.

There's no reason for Chase to play hide-n-seek with his fans.

He had two years to think up a proper ending and he failed.

I disagree. One of the things I dislike about so many movies and TV dramas is that they are so spoon-fed. One of the things I loved about the Sopranos was that Chase was able to walk a line between unpredictable and too far fetched. (Other than a mob boss visiting a shrink)

I liked not knowing exactly where he was going sometimes. I liked that sometimes it took me a while to "get" what he was trying to say, I had to think about it! It was entertaining especially in the early years.

I was annoyed with the ending at first. But it was Chase's show. No matter what he did, there would have been controversy and debates about what he should have done differently. I think he wanted people to think about it, talk about it, and debate it and that's what he got. :shrug:

[Baron Von Raschke]

Score the Sopranos final scene with Any MP3 (http://www.stereogum.com/archives/score-the-sopranos-finale-with-any-mp3.html#comments)

Using "The Underdog" is like Dark Side of the Moon crazy.

[General Apathy]

my brain just exploded

[A.Life.Age.X]

awesome!

[A.Life.Age.X]

HBO is in trouble unless they come up with something big in the next year or so to at least somewhat compare to Sopranos, e.g. SFU. This Flight of The Conchords show is absolutely atrocious and doesn't hold a skinny birthday candle to Curb Your Enthusiasm or any of the other 1/2 hr HBO shows. It really seems like something I could have whipped up in a couple hours. How the hell did this crap get green lighted?

[Guest]

Just because you didn't get it doesn't mean it was crap.
I got it. And it was crap.

[General Apathy]

Please ban Uma and make her pay some sort of dispensation

[Juris Doctor]

Please ban Uma and make her pay some sort of dispensation
the mods are working on a way to just make her screen go all black.

[General Apathy]

HBO is in trouble unless they come up with something big in the next year or so to at least somewhat compare to Sopranos, e.g. SFU. This Flight of The Conchords show is absolutely atrocious and doesn't hold a skinny birthday candle to Curb Your Enthusiasm or any of the other 1/2 hr HBO shows. It really seems like something I could have whipped up in a couple hours. How the hell did this crap get green lighted?

Don't they have like 10 new series?

One is bound to stick.

[General Apathy]

the mods are working on a way to just make her screen go all black.

Would be a pefect ending, IMHO>

[Guest]

Now come on, this is silly.

I bet you're one of those people who'd discuss how profound a toilet bowl is just because it's in MOMA.

[SamTheEagle]

I bet you're one of those people who'd discuss how profound a toilet bowl is just because it's in MOMA.

Nope. I just think it's silly to use the fact that the meaning of an ending is being argued over as evidence that the ending sucked.

Doesn't great literature, for example, invite endless debate over meaning?

[A.Life.Age.X]

Don't they have like 10 new series?

One is bound to stick.

Umm..I think there's just 2? John from Cincin, which was pretty bland and this god awful Flight of the Conchord crap.

"all the humans are dead" "binary solo: 0000010101" WTF? The songs are literally what your kid brother/sister would come up with while pretending to be in Hollywood/movies. Seriously, watch the premiere if you don't believe me it's one of the worst shows ever, esp. given it's supposed to be a comedy.

[Guest]

Nope. I just think it's silly to use the fact that the meaning of an ending is being argued over as evidence that the ending sucked.

Doesn't great literature, for example, invite endless debate over meaning?

Sure. And if I want profundity and debate, I'll read some Emily Dickinson, not watch TV.

I'm not saying there isn't ANY room for ambiguity in this TV series, but this was so vague that it felt like Chase just didn't want to disappoint anyone with the "wrong" ending, so he went with a "non-ending."

[Samantha]

Sure. And if I want profundity and debate, I'll read some Emily Dickenson, not watch TV.

Like there's a shortage of spoonfed crap to watch on tv? A show makes you think a little and that makes it crap? Come on Uma ...

[SamTheEagle]

Sure. And if I want profundity and debate, I'll read some Emily Dickinson, not watch TV.

I'm not saying there isn't ANY room for ambiguity in this TV series, but this was so vague that it felt like Chase just didn't want to disappoint anyone with the "wrong" ending, so he went with a "non-ending."

Chase claims to have had a specific ending in mind. Of course, he may just be a liar.

At any rate, perhaps I could interest you in some "Everybody Loves Raymond"?

[Guest]

Like there's a shortage of spoonfed crap to watch on tv? A show makes you think a little and that makes it crap? Come on Uma ...

No, that's not why it's crap...it's because he made his fans WAY overthink all the little details of the last 3 seasons.

Thinking is fine.

Complete and utter ambiguity, with all the fans scouring the previous 20 episodes for little hints and tidbits for a resolution that doesn't exist, is a cop out.

[Guest]

At any rate, perhaps I could interest you in some "Everybody Loves Raymond"?

No...you can give me some complex characters, fantastic acting*, realistic dialouge, and great stories with actual meaning/lessons/resolutions, like for instance the Melfi rape episode, or many of the other fantastic episodes in the series up until the last season.

I waited this entire season for Chase to make my wasting my time watching the first 6 episodes worthwhile, and he never did it. The whole time Gen Ap and others were complaining about the crappiness of this season, I somewhat agreed, but felt confident that Chase was building up to something. And he didn't deliver.

If the point of the series is that life is monotonous and nother ever really changes, fine, but that seems anticlimactic.

*Edie Falco was the best part of the last season. What an actress!!

[General Apathy]

Umm..I think there's just 2? John from Cincin, which was pretty bland and this god awful Flight of the Conchord crap.



Before the Sopranos, they showed bits from a bunch of series, documentaries and films upcoming.

Here are three more on the slate - no idea when they are to air:

"12 Miles of Bad Road," a new series about excessive Texas real estate agent sisters,

"Tell Me You Love Me," a saga about relationships with an ensemble cast that includes Sonya Walger and Sherry Springfield

"In Treatment," about a psychologist who needs his own shrink, with Gabriel Byrne, Dianne Wiest and Blair Underwood, based on a series that's apparently a hit in Israel.

:shrug:

[General Apathy]

Chase claims to have had a specific ending in mind. Of course, he may just be a liar.

At any rate, perhaps I could interest you in some "Everybody Loves Raymond"?

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000FZDIKO.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

[Juris Doctor]

No, that's not why it's crap...it's because he made his fans WAY overthink all the little details of the last 3 seasons.

Thinking is fine.

Complete and utter ambiguity, with all the fans scouring the previous 20 episodes for little hints and tidbits for a resolution that doesn't exist, is a cop out.

so i take it you are not a fan of lost, then.

[Guest]

Chase claims to have had a specific ending in mind.
Then why make it so difficult for the fans to figure out what it was?

[Guest]

so i take it you are not a fan of lost, then.

Never seen it.

The Sopranos was the only TV drama I watch(ed.)

[Samantha]

No, that's not why it's crap...it's because he made his fans WAY overthink all the little details of the last 3 seasons.

Thinking is fine.

Complete and utter ambiguity, with all the fans scouring the previous 20 episodes for little hints and tidbits for a resolution that doesn't exist, is a cop out.

I'm a big fan of the show, even forgiving of the seasons where not much was happening and the characters were starting to bore me. And I watched with as much anticipation as anyone for how it was going to end.

But I chuckle (as I think Chase probably does) at those who are overthinking and scouring past episodes for hidden meaning. Ambiguity was a running theme on the show. Even the Melfi rape episode was left somewhat openended. I was hoping for a little more pizazz at the end, but I'm not surprised that he left it open like he did.

[Samantha]

Never seen it.

The Sopranos was the only TV drama I watch(ed.)

Oh, well then you might like something like the Law and Order series better then. I don't watch it regularly, but the few I've seen are pretty tidy within each episode and probably have deeper meaning from story to story for those who know the characters well.

[Guest]

But I chuckle (as I think Chase probably does)
And here's why you're probably reading a hostile note in my posts - the guy is making a CRAPLOAD of $$$ off his fans. It's kind of rude for him to be "chuckling" at them. It feels disrespectful.

[Guest]

Oh, well then you might like something like the Law and Order series better then. I don't watch it regularly, but the few I've seen are pretty tidy within each episode and probably have deeper meaning from story to story for those who know the characters well.

Have to disagree here a bit.

I was a big fan of this show from the earlty 1990s to about 2000 (whenever Ben Bratt left). The best part about the show was the LACK of character development.

Each episode was about the case, the facts, and you knew only what the cops/DAs knew at any given moment, so you were thinking/analyzing the case along with them.

It's a different kind of "thinking" than what I expected from the Sopranos.

(Never could appreciate all the L&O spinoffs or the original version's later seasons.)

[Samantha]

And here's why you're probably reading a hostile note in my posts - the guy is making a CRAPLOAD of $$$ off his fans. It's kind of rude for him to be "chuckling" at them. It feels disrespectful.

Well, he's not chuckling at all of his fans, just the ones who are going nuts looking for "clues", scouring past episodes. How enjoyable is that?

I don't think Chase ever promised us a spoonfed tv series. He promised to entertain us, and I think he delivered on that fairly well, better in some episodes and seasons than others. If some fans are taking that "entertainment" and trying to make more of it than it was, or to make it into something it wasn't, well, that's kind of amusing, but that's not Chase's doing. That's the fan's doing.

[Guest]

Well, he's not chuckling at all of his fans, just the ones who are going nuts looking for "clues", scouring past episodes. How enjoyable is that?

I don't think Chase ever promised us a spoonfed tv series. He promised to entertain us, and I think he delivered on that fairly well, better in some episodes and seasons than others. If some fans are taking that "entertainment" and trying to make more of it than it was, or to make it into something it wasn't, well, that's kind of amusing, but that's not Chase's doing. That's the fan's doing.

I can't argue with that.

This particular fan felt dissappointed by the ambiguity of the final season of an otherwise great series. I just didn't appreciate the way it bascially meandered to a non-ending.

[_BullDog_]

Like I told my wife, He will probably come out with an 'ending' in the DVD release to increase DVD sales.

[Guest]

Like I told my wife, He will probably come out with an 'ending' in the DVD release to increase DVD sales.

Ridiculous...we all already paid for watching the show in our monthly cable bills.

[Samantha]

I can't argue with that.

This particular fan felt dissappointed by the ambiguity of the final season of an otherwise great series. I just didn't appreciate the way it bascially meandered to a non-ending.

I didn't think it did that. How did you want it to end?

[Guest]

I didn't think it did that. How did you want it to end?Not sure, but at the very least I wanted to know whether or not Tony was still alive.

[Samantha]

Not sure, but at the very least I wanted to know whether or not Tony was still alive.

Well, he was alive last we saw him. So you must have wanted more than that.

Whether or not a mysterious guy is going to whack him is just one of the things he was going to have to continue to deal with as is the life of a mob boss. Whether he was going to deal with that for 10 more seconds or 10 more years, it didn't matter much at that point. Getting or not getting whacked, getting or not getting indicted, losing family members, making deals ... that's what his life is about. So that's how we leave him. :shrug:

[Guest]

Well, he was alive last we saw him. So you must have wanted more than that.

Whether or not a mysterious guy is going to whack him is just one of the things he was going to have to continue to deal with as is the life of a mob boss. Whether he was going to deal with that for 10 more seconds or 10 more years, it didn't matter much at that point. Getting or not getting whacked, getting or not getting indicted, losing family members, making deals ... that's what his life is about. So that's how we leave him. :shrug:
Right...I got all that.

But "and so his life goes on unchanged from what it was in the first episode, despite all the therapy and deaths and his own near-death experience" is an unsatisfying (non)resolution for me.

This is all a matter of personal opinion - I didn't like the last season. The season premiere seemed full of foreshadowing out the changing roles of Tony and Bobby in the Family, etc....and it just seemed to peter out from there.

[Samantha]

But "and so his life goes on unchanged from what it was in the first episode, despite all the therapy and deaths and his own near-death experience" is an unsatisfying (non)resolution for me.

I think his life has changed over the seasons. But he never seemed to be applying any of the experiences. He never did. So why would we expect him to in the last hour of the series?

This is all a matter of personal opinion - I didn't like the last season. The season premiere seemed full of foreshadowing out the changing roles of Tony and Bobby in the Family, etc....and it just seemed to peter out from there.

Right, it was full of opportunities for growth. But after the 2 or 3 seasons prior to it, the fact that Tony didn't grow wasn't a shock anymore.

I liked the last season, mainly because I know how personal it was for the actors of the show to be saying goodbye, and I thought they all did such a great job throughout the series, even when the writing sometimes sucked.

But you're right, it's all a matter of personal opinion ... :popcorn:

[Guest]

Right, it was full of opportunities for growth. But after the 2 or 3 seasons prior to it, the fact that Tony didn't grow wasn't a shock anymore.
Agreed, no shock there.

But what about the rest of the family?

None of the rest of them grew, either. The kids are still basically spoiled, Carm is still basically reaping the benefits of her husband's atrocities without blinking an eye, Meadow regressed from developing a social conscience to making a six figure salary until she pops out a couple mobster babies...no one else grew either. Was that really a satisfying ending for some great characters?

[Samantha]

None of the rest of them grew, either. The kids are still basically spoiled, Carm is still basically reaping the benefits of her husband's atrocities without blinking an eye, Meadow regressed from developing a social conscience to making a six figure salary until she pops out a couple mobster babies...no one else grew either. Was that really a satisfying ending for some great characters?

Satisfying? No, I grew bored with most of the characters a long time ago because of that. But it was still a pretty good (and entertaining) portrait of a mob family.

[IMP]

Right...I got all that.

But "and so his life goes on unchanged from what it was in the first episode, despite all the therapy and deaths and his own near-death experience" is an unsatisfying (non)resolution for me. 99% of us just go on. why should tony be any different. someone said it..the more things change, the more they stay the same. it really does sound like you wanted a big grand ending...regardless if tony was wacked or arrested or hooked up with melfi or anything.

[IMP]

Well, he was alive last we saw him. So you must have wanted more than that.

Whether or not a mysterious guy is going to whack him is just one of the things he was going to have to continue to deal with as is the life of a mob boss. Whether he was going to deal with that for 10 more seconds or 10 more years, it didn't matter much at that point. Getting or not getting whacked, getting or not getting indicted, losing family members, making deals ... that's what his life is about. So that's how we leave him. :shrug:you said what i was thinking, but you said it better. :duh:

[Guest]

99% of us just go on. why should tony be any different. Um, because he's a TV show character? someone said it..the more things change, the more they stay the same. it really does sound like you wanted a big grand ending...regardless if tony was wacked or arrested or hooked up with melfi or anything.

I think I was hoping that Carmella would actually leave him.

[IMP]

I think I was hoping that Carmella would actually leave him.come on, how many times have they faught and left and gotten back together? why would it change on the final episode?

Um, because he's a TV show character?yeah but the only thing unordinary about him was his line of work.

[Samantha]

Um, because he's a TV show character?

Sorry, next time bring your own spoon. ;-)

I think I was hoping that Carmella would actually leave him.

Never gonna happen. In the portrait of a family, that would have been a flying purple people eater.

[IMP]

Sorry, next time bring your own spoon. ;-)



Never gonna happen. In the portrait of a family, that would have been a flying purple people eater.damn it samantha, you are much more articulate than i am. well said.

[shadyridr]

99% of us just go on. why should tony be any different. someone said it..the more things change, the more they stay the same. it really does sound like you wanted a big grand ending...regardless if tony was wacked or arrested or hooked up with melfi or anything.

I think the problem is not that life just goes on for Tony but the fact that the episode abruptly ended with the cut to black screen. That pissed me off too. If they just had Meadow come in to the diner and sit down with the family all eating and THEN ended it I wouldve been ok with that. Especially since that was an amazing scene to end a series with. But to end it abruptly like that with no resolution of the scene was bad form in my opinion.

[Samantha]

I think the problem is not that life just goes on for Tony but the fact that the episode abruptly ended with the cut to black screen. That pissed me off too. If they just had Meadow come in to the diner and sit down with the family all eating and THEN ended it I wouldve been ok with that. Especially since that was an amazing scene to end a series with. But to end it abruptly like that with no resolution of the scene was bad form in my opinion.

No you wouldn't. If Meadow had come in and sat down. And the credits started to roll, you'd be saying, "What about the guy in bathroom? :swear: "

And if he had come back out and sat down to finish his dinner, and then it ended, you'd be saying, "Wait, what about the ... :swear: "

I was annoyed at first, but now I'm thinking it was a rather clever ending. Life sometimes ends abruptly, with no resolution ...

[Guest]

come on, how many times have they faught and left and gotten back together? why would it change on the final episode?
Because people do change. They find inner strength to change their lives.

Final episode? Maybe not....final season? Well, that was my hope.

yeah but the only thing unordinary about him was his line of work.
There was a LOT about him that was unordinary...his sociopathic homicidal tendencies for one.

[Guest]

Never gonna happen. In the portrait of a family, that would have been a flying purple people eater.
You don't know anyone who finally found the strength to get out of a terrible situation?

[Samantha]

You don't know anyone who finally found the strength to get out of a terrible situation?

Sure I do. But Carmela? Not in a million years. She doesn't have it in her. She proved that many times over from beginning to end of the series.

Janice was the one who got out of a bad relationship situation. That's how it's done in that family.

[Samantha]

You don't know anyone who finally found the strength to get out of a terrible situation?

And she didn't see her life as a terrible situation. What the heck? She lived in a great house, traveled, got to have her little real estate hobby (which she couldn't have done without Tony) and she gets her hair and nails done every week. Not a bad life if you're willing to look the other way about a few minor details.

[Samantha]

well said.

Thanks :-) The entertainment value continues ...

[SamTheEagle]

Agreed, no shock there.

But what about the rest of the family?

None of the rest of them grew, either. The kids are still basically spoiled, Carm is still basically reaping the benefits of her husband's atrocities without blinking an eye, Meadow regressed from developing a social conscience to making a six figure salary until she pops out a couple mobster babies...no one else grew either. Was that really a satisfying ending for some great characters?

Do you expect Paris Hilton to stop partying when she gets out of jail?

[IMP]

Janice was the one who got out of a bad relationship situation. That's how it's done in that family.:judge:

[shadyridr]

No you wouldn't. If Meadow had come in and sat down. And the credits started to roll, you'd be saying, "What about the guy in bathroom? :swear: "

And if he had come back out and sat down to finish his dinner, and then it ended, you'd be saying, "Wait, what about the ... :swear: "

I was annoyed at first, but now I'm thinking it was a rather clever ending. Life sometimes ends abruptly, with no resolution ...

Ummm no. If thats the way it ended I wouldve said. Damn that was tense and all for nothing too. A typical day in the life of Tony is pretty nerve racking and I guess thats how the rest of his life will be.

[Samantha]

Ummm no. If thats the way it ended I wouldve said. Damn that was tense and all for nothing too. A typical day in the life of Tony is pretty nerve racking and I guess thats how the rest of his life will be.

And you can't get to that without actually seeing Meadow sit down at the table? :-?

[A.Life.Age.X]

I totally agree with ShadyRidr. Yes, we needed to see Meadow sit down at the table. The last scene was flawless and accomplished all it needed without the cut to black. I would have been more satisfied if it ended with them sitting down to dinner.

[SamTheEagle]

I totally agree with ShadyRidr. Yes, we needed to see Meadow sit down at the table. The last scene was flawless and accomplished all it needed without the cut to black. I would have been more satisfied if it ended with them sitting down to dinner.

Except that it wouldn't have left open the question as to whether or not Tony got whacked.

[Guest]

And she didn't see her life as a terrible situation. What the heck? She lived in a great house, traveled, got to have her little real estate hobby (which she couldn't have done without Tony) and she gets her hair and nails done every week. Not a bad life if you're willing to look the other way about a few minor details.

I didn't think she considered the contant sleeping around on his part a
"minor detail."

[Guest]

Do you expect Paris Hilton to stop partying when she gets out of jail?
No....but I do expect her to look at her life in about 30 years, realize what a waste it's been, what a joke she is, and how she doesn't have a single person in the world who genuninely cares about her regardless of her riches, and off herself.

[Samantha]

I didn't think she considered the contant sleeping around on his part a
"minor detail."

Of course she did. She didn't like it, but it wasn't a dealbreaker for her. She liked the other aspects of her life more than she disliked the sleeping around.

[Samantha]

I totally agree with ShadyRidr. Yes, we needed to see Meadow sit down at the table.

Well, alrighty then. :shrug:

[SamTheEagle]

So today I found out today that my dad has an uncle named Junior.

[Samantha]

So today I found out today that my dad has an uncle named Junior.

:tfh:

[SamTheEagle]

So today I found out today that my dad has an uncle named Junior.

Superfluous "today". :shake:

[General Apathy]

The period goes inside the quote.

:shake:

[Samantha]

Superfluous "today". :shake:

In this family we'll shoot you for that! :judge:

[SamTheEagle]

The period goes inside the quote.

:shake:

You know what I thing would be crazy? If you posted a post that consisted of just like 100 of your avatar in it. That would be nuts when they all flinched at the same time.

[SamTheEagle]

You know what I thing would be crazy? If you posted a post that consisted of just like 100 of your avatar in it. That would be nuts when they all flinched at the same time.

:bump:

Hint hint.

[A.Life.Age.X]

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/

This is awesome. I know who's getting my vote now.

[General Apathy]

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[SamTheEagle]

AWESOME!

[A.Life.Age.X]

Better link:
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/06/19/clinton-family-takes-on-sopranos-in-announcing-campaign-song/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BEPcJlz2wE

[lou]

Better link:
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/06/19/clinton-family-takes-on-sopranos-in-announcing-campaign-song/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BEPcJlz2wE

Imitation is the most sincere form of flattery. I saw this last night and the Pittsburgh pirates have a similar one as well.

A week later, I rewatched, and I think now it was a fantastic ending. Really clever and indeed memorable....Great song too.

[HangerAngler]

You don't know anyone who finally found the strength to get out of a terrible situation?

How terrible was Carmela's situation? Would "getting out" have put her in a superior situation?

[Guest]

How terrible was Carmela's situation? Would "getting out" have put her in a superior situation?

All the mansions and Porsche Cayennes in the world don't make up for constand marital infidelity and fear of the incarceration/murder of my husband.

[Samantha]

All the mansions and Porsche Cayennes in the world don't make up for constand marital infidelity and fear of the incarceration/murder of my husband.

Not for you or me they wouldn't. But for her they did and she wasn't alone, not on the show and she's not an unusual case in real life.

You don't know anyone who has stayed in a terrible situation because what they got out of it made it worth it to them?

[Zee]

I think I was hoping that Carmella would actually leave him.

But then would you have been upset if they didn't show her subsequent whacking? (I don't think the mob boss's wife really gets to decide when she has had enough. Just doesn't go with the job requirements.)

[General Apathy]

http://www.bobharris.com/content/view/1406/1


best explanation so far?

[Samantha]

http://www.bobharris.com/content/view/1406/1


best explanation so far?

Makes sense to me :shrug:

[SamTheEagle]

Literature.

[General Apathy]

I like the last supper stuff.

http://www.bobharris.com/images/stories/Sopranos/lastsupper.jpg

and communion wafer?

http://www.bobharris.com/images/stories/Sopranos/tonycommunion.jpg

:shrug:

[A.Life.Age.X]

that's some crazy analysis. I think overall he's right though. I called Tony's death immediately after the episode ended. GA thought I was crazy though.

[General Apathy]

I certainly did. I am man enough to admit that you were probably right. You nailed it, I missed it. (Maybe)

I definitely think Tony got whacked now.

[asdfasdf]

Good analysis, but I want to know what was up with the parallel parking? Meadow couldn't find the right fit in life? surely there is something better than that...

[Dr T Non-Fan]

http://www.bobharris.com/content/view/1406/1


best explanation so far?
Man, that's a lot of details.

Could the black screen simply mean that David Chase whacked the show? It never knew what hit it.

[Samantha]

I certainly did. I am man enough to admit that you were probably right. You nailed it, I missed it. (Maybe)

I definitely think Tony got whacked now.

Makes the most sense to me too. That's how I thought it should end anyway.

I've still only watched it the one time though. Maybe I'll go back and watch it again for the "clues".

[Baron Von Raschke]

Whoa. Best TV episode ever, and it was wasted on pretty much everyone.

[A1ex WK]

Whoa. Best TV episode ever, and it was wasted on pretty much everyone.

agreed. i really want to watch it again.

[General Apathy]

http://timstvshowcase.com/sopranos2.jpg

[A.Life.Age.X]

that's crazy. Tony put on so much weight. I've been watching the season with Ralphie on A&E and even then Tony was a skinny man compared to the end.

[SamTheEagle]

AJ still looks like a douche.

[_BullDog_]

by Stephan Pastis
http://www.comics.com/images/clear_dot.gifJuly 14, 2007
http://www.comics.com/images/clear_dot.gifhttp://www.comics.com/comics/pearls/archive/images/pearls2007071745814.gif

[Feif]

http://www.cnn.com/2007/SHOWBIZ/TV/10/23/tv.sopranos.davidchase.ap/index.html
Just when we had made our peace with "The Sopranos" finale and moved on with our lives, David Chase has stirred things up again.
Sopranos

"The Sopranos" famously ended with Tony Soprano and family at a diner before cutting to black.

Breaking his silence months after the HBO mob drama ended its run, he is offering a belated explanation for that blackout at the restaurant. He strongly suggests that, no, Tony Soprano didn't get whacked moments later as he munched onion rings with his family at Holsten's. And mostly Chase wonders why so many viewers got so worked up over the series' non-finish.
...
In the days, and even weeks, after the finale aired June 10, "Sopranos" wonks combed that episode for buried clues, concocting wild theories. (Was this some sort of "Last Supper" reimagined with Tony, wife Carmela, son A.J. and daughter Meadow?)

Chase insists that what you saw (and didn't see) is what you get.

"There are no esoteric clues in there. No 'Da Vinci Code,' " he declares.

He says it's "just great" if fans tried to find a deeper meaning, but "most of them, most of us, should have done this kind of thing in high school English class and didn't."
:lol:

[SamTheEagle]

Clearly he's thinking about doing a movie now.

[Guest]

So I was right all along...it was a non-ending.

[General Apathy]

yeah me too

[Pizza Pasta]

but this was so vague that it felt like Chase just didn't want to disappoint anyone with the "wrong" ending

How did you want it to end?


Can't you see it? The ending is very personal. The ending is whatever you (the fan) want it to be. You decide whether Tony gets whacked or lives the rest of his life looking over this shoulder. You're not being spoonfed, instead you decide the fate. This might be the greatest ending ever.

Except maybe the ending to "Once Upon a Time in America" (similar ambiguous ending)

I just finished watching the 6th season p2 on DVD. Best TV show ever...

[Alto Reed on a Tenor Sax]

Can't you see it? The ending is very personal. The ending is whatever you (the fan) want it to be.

Exactly. Which makes it pretty damn stingy for Chase to then say, "Well CLEARLY he didn't get whacked a moment later..."

Hey, buddy, you're the one that left me to make my own damn ending up, so don't go telling me I picked the "wrong" made-up ending when I do.

[SamTheEagle]

Exactly. Which makes it pretty damn stingy for Chase to then say, "Well CLEARLY he didn't get whacked a moment later..."

Hey, buddy, you're the one that left me to make my own damn ending up, so don't go telling me I picked the "wrong" made-up ending when I do.

Same thing with Dumbledore being gay. Chase doesn't get to tell us whether or not Tony got whacked.

[Alto Reed on a Tenor Sax]

Same thing with Dumbledore being gay. Chase doesn't get to tell us whether or not Tony got whacked.

I hadn't thought about that, but you know, there is a definite parallel. Good call.

[SamTheEagle]

I hadn't thought about that, but you know, there is a definite parallel. Good call.

That's because you can't have knee-jerk homophobianism kick in here. ;)

[Alto Reed on a Tenor Sax]

That's because you can't have knee-jerk homophobianism kick in here. ;)

You underestimate my man-love for Tony Soprano.

[Pizza Pasta]

Exactly. Which makes it pretty damn stingy for Chase to then say, "Well CLEARLY he didn't get whacked a moment later..."


Did Chase really say that? If he did, that would really suck.

[Alto Reed on a Tenor Sax]

Did Chase really say that? If he did, that would really suck.

Pretty much. See Feif's post above:

He strongly suggests that, no, Tony Soprano didn't get whacked moments later as he munched onion rings with his family at Holsten's...Chase wonders why so many viewers got so worked up over the series' non-finish.

...

Chase insists that what you saw (and didn't see) is what you get.
"There are no esoteric clues in there. No 'Da Vinci Code,' " he declares.

[Pizza Pasta]

Pretty much. See Feif's post above:

I read that article before and it didn't seem to imply any definite ending, but I read it again more carefully, and now it does seem to imply that Tony didn't get whacked. I think Chase is on crack.

[SamTheEagle]

I don't care what Chase says. He's wrong. Tony died, and that's all there is to it. (Unless he wants to make a movie and change things, which I suspect is where he's going with this.)

[Former Actuarial]

crack is whack.

im just sayin

[Alto Reed on a Tenor Sax]

crack is whack.

im just sayin

And whacking is cracked.

[Pizza Pasta]

[Tony Soprano] Aw Jesus, will you quit your whining already? Whatever happened to Gary Cooper? It's over, deal with it, END OF STORY [/Tony Soprano]