Sopranos: The Final Season

[IMP]

Sopranos: The Final Season

starts in ~ 15 minutes!!!

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[A.Life.Age.X]

Damn, I wish I could watch it right now. Hopefully they put in On-Demand tonight at midnight.

[General Apathy]

OMG

[Single White Shemale]

Bobby!

[General Apathy]

Canada is freakin crazy

[IMP]

i miss aid saying 'chistafah'

[asdfasdf]

What are the odds that shooting isn't gonna come bite him in the butt later in the season. And Tony has just gotten too nice, being polite works for an actuary, I don't think it works for a mob boss....

[Sotally Tober]

Shooting will come back and haunt Bobby. Didn't he have his shirt torn? Seemed like it. Thought maybe the guy would have gotten some skin too and they might test the DNA under his fingernails, perhaps (foreshadowed by Bobby earlier).

Kind of a quiet show, all in all. Should be interesting to see Tony & Christopher.

[HangerAngler]

For some reason my DVR missed the last 10 or 15 minutes. I saw up until the point where Tony and Carmela made the decision to stay at the cabin rather than leave. Can anybody please fill in in a few sentences what I missed?

[HangerAngler]

What are the odds that shooting isn't gonna come bite him in the butt later in the season. And Tony has just gotten too nice, being polite works for an actuary, I don't think it works for a mob boss....

Why wouldn't being polite work for a mob boss? (besides all the crap you see in movies of course)

[asdfasdf]

I think Polite is fine, but you don't want to be seen as being "soft", like always apologizing for things, I think you need some of that crazy intimidation factor. Remember when Tony beat up his driver for no apparent reason? it got him some respect back from his crew after the shooting.

The episode ended, Bobby and Tony saw the Canadians, they made a deal to by prescription drugs, and Bobby went to kill someone to knock the price of the drugs down. Bobby shot the guy once clean, but came in close for a headshot that caused some spatter and got is shirt torn. He dropped the gun in the building (but he had gloves on). Carm and the sister had a little spat. Christopher called Tony to wish him belated happy birthday and Tony hung up on him.

[Guest]

i miss aid saying 'chistafah'

"I luv you, Christafuh."

"You ****in' bedda!"

[Guest]

Shooting will come back and haunt Bobby. Didn't he have his shirt torn? Seemed like it. Thought maybe the guy would have gotten some skin too and they might test the DNA under his fingernails, perhaps (foreshadowed by Bobby earlier).

My fiance caught that too.

I heard some analysis that the Monopoly game was a metaphor for the season...we'll see Bobby challenge the rules and Tony's authority and take more power as Tony wanes.

[Sotally Tober]

we'll see Bobby challenge the rules and Tony's authority and take more power as Tony wanes.
I thought that's where Tony was heading when they were fishing. That he was beginning to doubt his decision about transitioning to Christopher, and perhaps should look to Bobby.

[Guest]

I thought that's where Tony was heading when they were fishing. That he was beginning to doubt his decision about transitioning to Christopher, and perhaps should look to Bobby.

Yep...althought then Bobby went and kicked his ass, so I'm guessing he won't be given any power...he'll have to take it.

But, yeah...the whole episode was about Tony's star starting to fall.

[HangerAngler]

Christopher would clearly be the worst choice to take the reins. Would anyone disagree with that?

[Sotally Tober]

Nope, not at all. He won't destroy everything. I've never liked him.

I really hope it doesn't turn into a Tony/Bobby battle. I always liked Bobby. But if he goes after Tony, he'll have to get whacked. If that happens though, could they whack Janice too? Please!

[Dr T Non-Fan]

Carmela giving Tony his annual beeeeej. Ironic that if she did it more than that, he'd think she was a whore.

Christopher is not big enough, and he's certainly not smart enough.

That was Bobby's first kill. He didn't seem to take it well. I see him giving up the life rather than getting deeper into it, especially with that one scene him looking over the lake while holding his daughter. And, yeah, the DNA will catch up. I thought that was too blatantly noted earlier in the episode.
I see Tony making him do lots of dangerous things and hoping he gets caught or killed, and then saying, "Meh, that's the life we chose."

[DW Simpson]

http://www.hbo.com/apps/schedule/ScheduleServlet?ACTION_DETAIL=DETAIL&FOCUS_ID=643545

[A.Life.Age.X]

That episode kind of sucked. And why the hell would ANYONE care about the Making of Clever?

[yoyo]

That episode kind of sucked. And why the hell would ANYONE care about the Making of Clever?
Disagree. We had a guy getting whacked and boobs in this episode. Not nearly as sucky as some episodes.

[Guest]

Watching Johnny Sac die killed all my cigarette cravings for the next 6 months.

[Sotally Tober]

That episode kind of sucked. And why the hell would ANYONE care about the Making of Clever?
:iatp:

[General Apathy]

What was the song they played over the credits?

[Mopus]

What was the song they played over the credits?

evidently chickentown
by
john cooper clarke

[Sotally Tober]

That song was weird. I'm glad someone asked. I've threatened to put on my wife's iPod. Now, I just might if I can find a version of it to download. :lol:

[General Apathy]

I liked it!

[A.Life.Age.X]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEWT6pdjON8

You can listen here. It's pretty bizarre but kind of catchy.

[General Apathy]

They are really setting up lots of different story lines for the finale

[Dr T Non-Fan]

If you take sausage from my plate one more time.....

[DblDownTrent]

another weaksauce episode. few highlights, but for the most part, slow like the other 2 episodes.

[Samantha]

another weaksauce episode. few highlights, but for the most part, slow like the other 2 episodes.

BH said the same thing and I agree.

But it's not like they are trying for a lot of twists and turns anymore. They are just saying good-bye. I expect the next several episodes to be about Tony wrapping up relationships with each of the other main characters. Then maybe something with some flair at the very end.

All in all, I've been disapointed in the series for the last several seasons and I finally figured out why: There hasn't been any real development of any of the characters. They are all pretty much the same. None of them seem to learn anything about any of the stuff they go through. They're not growing and so I've become bored with them, just as I would in real life. :shrug:

I keep watching, since I do want to see how it ends. But I don't really like the characters anymore. Every time Tony lashes out because he's reverting back to some childhood thing, I just want to :exams: Enough already! Grow up and take responsibility for who you are! I'd love it if Melfi would say something like that to him, but she'd probably get whacked for it! :-D

[djtrifecta]

The boat scene was phenomenal.

Anyone else think the timing was awful for the asian kid with rage issues given the newfound infamy of Cho Seung-Hui?

[Samantha]

Anyone else think the timing was awful for the asian kid with rage issues given the newfound infamy of Cho Seung-Hui?

I said that as we were watching.

"That kid's gonna snap. I'm surprised they are airing this right now."

But when he snapped, he only lashed out at Junior and no one was killed. They also did a pretty good job of setting up why he was a such a mess, so maybe they figured there was enough distance.

[Dr T Non-Fan]

Did the Asian character have a successful older sister?

[IMP]

The boat scene was phenomenal.

Anyone else think the timing was awful for the asian kid with rage issues given the newfound infamy of Cho Seung-Hui?this was the most boring episode by far of any season. but that boat scene was great! oh, and i didnt even think about cho. still dont see it as bad timing...there was nothing similar other than him being hot headed (all the soprano charchters are this way) and going off (all the soprano characters are this way too) :shrug:

[A.Life.Age.X]

I thought the boat scene sucked and was totally unrealistic:
1. Why the hell would Tony even consider killing Paulie? No way would he kill Paulie with nothing tangible.
2. Why would Paulie even be nervous? He had nothing to fear...did he really think he'd be killed for telling someone a stupid joke.

I also immediately thought of VT. I think it was certainly a strange coincidence.

[Samantha]

I thought the boat scene sucked and was totally unrealistic:
1. Why the hell would Tony even consider killing Paulie? No way would he kill Paulie with nothing tangible.
2. Why would Paulie even be nervous? He had nothing to fear...did he really think he'd be killed for telling someone a stupid joke.

I also immediately thought of VT. I think it was certainly a strange coincidence.

Re the boat scene. That was a pretty big boat. Do they just let anybody drive one of those puppies off into the deep blue sea? Wouldn't you be more likely to rent the crew along with the boat so that you could enjoy the fishing, not to mention the owner wanting to protect his boat? I thought that was a little odd.

I got the impression Tony was considering killing Paulie both as a way to keep him quiet, but also as sort of a mercy killing kind of thing. In the end, he knew he had no real reason to take him out. Made Tony look a little paranoid and silly IMO. But painted a pretty accurate picture of their relationship and let us know how Tony would leave things with him.

Same with the Janice and Bobby episode. They just showed a picture of where they stood and how they would leave off. The Clever episode was part 1 of his Christopher story. That's why I expect more of the same. The final episodes will just make the rounds, tie up loose ends, and put everyone to bed. A little pizzazz hopefully at the end (I think Tony might end up taking out Christopher, I expect Sil to take over as Boss) but I don't expect to be too impressed.

[General Apathy]

. The final episodes will just make the rounds, tie up loose ends, and put everyone to bed. A little pizzazz hopefully at the end (I think Tony might end up taking out Christopher, I expect Sil to take over as Boss) but I don't expect to be too impressed.

The final episode better be crazy :swear:

[Guest]

The final episode better be crazy :swear:

I expect something on par with the final scene of Hamlet.

[IMP]

it's a dissappointing final season.

[djtrifecta]

it's a dissappointing final season.

That's why The Wire is so great. They never let you down.

Tony no doubt sees that tension with New York is growing, and there could be a war. Further, there is a growing police presence in their operations. (The gun charge, the found body)

I'm not surprised that Tony would consider taking out Paulie because:
(1) Paulie has a big mouth and knows a ton about past mob activity
(2) Paulie showed some betrayal to New Jersey and loyalty to New York in telling the joke to Johnny Sack. If Tony was preparing for a war with New York... he may not want anyone around who could betray him.

These may not be the best reasons... but I could see a sociopath like Tony killing him over them.

David Chase has said many times that he doesn't want a typical mobster movie ending. I have no idea what he's implying, but Tony probably won't be dead, in jail, or in the witness protection program.

[General Apathy]

it's a dissappointing final season.

you just don't get it

[IMP]

you just don't get iti get it. and it's boring. :shrug:

[General Apathy]

no it's not. It's building and developing. The last few episodes will slowly crescendo into an amazing finale that will blow your mind.

Then you can come back here and apologize to me as well as the writers and producers of the show.

Good day ma'am

[SamTheEagle]

TONY WAS HOLDING A TOMATO!

[General Apathy]

omg

[HangerAngler]

I am having a tough time determining if I am part of a crime syndicate or not.

[yoyo]

TONY WAS HOLDING A TOMATO!
Next the writers will have him goofing with an orange slice.

[Dr T Non-Fan]

TONY WAS HOLDING A TOMATO!
The "ripe" comment was a metaphor.

Paulie starts mouthing off anymore, and he's gone. There were at least four times on that trip where he was talking too much about da business.
I'm guessing he got the message.

So, Silvio's story maybe next? Phil's? That Sicilian guy that Carmela had a crush on?

[General Apathy]

it's about time for a random character introduction

[General Apathy]

I am having a tough time determining if I am part of a crime syndicate or not.

any noticeable symptoms?

[HangerAngler]

any noticeable symptoms?

Yes

[General Apathy]

go on

[Tobias Funke]

Finn and Furio will come bacl adn whack tehm all!!!!!

[Baron Von Raschke]

Is there way for it to end with both Christopher and Tony alive? No. Which one dies?

[HangerAngler]

I own a scrap yard.

[IMP]

decent episode sun night. i still dont see how this is all gonna come to an end. maybe everyone gets paranoid that tony is gonna kill em and each goes to kill tony, only to find he died of a panic attack that turned into a heart attack while he was outside alone and he fell and hit his head and rolled into the poll and drown. :shrug:

[asdfasdf]

I smell a gangs of New York ending. Jack Bauer fails to stop the terrorists from using a nuclear device that destroys all of North Jersey, including all the characters who are there for Meadow's wedding day to ask Tony for a favour...

[Mr. Penguin]

decent episode sun night.

I disagree, my fine RPS opponent. It was easily the worst of this latest batch. Tony has a gambling problem and therefore cash flow issues? wtf did that come from? He's pissed off at Hesch and then confides in him that he can't trust Christopher, Bobby or Paulie? Dr. Melfi threatening to cut Tony loose? By far, the best part of the episode was Phil telling Vito Jr. that he looks like a "Puerto Rican whore".

[Guest]

Finn and Furio will come bacl adn whack tehm all!!!!!
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Furio! :love: :love: :love:

[Sotally Tober]

I predict we see the ducks again. :shrug:

[Samantha]

I disagree, my fine RPS opponent. It was easily the worst of this latest batch. Tony has a gambling problem and therefore cash flow issues? wtf did that come from?

Agreed. Let's not be getting all "After School Special" now.

He's pissed off at Hesch and then confides in him that he can't trust Christopher, Bobby or Paulie?

Hesch is a friend and Tony knows it. That's why he confided in him and felt so guilty about the way he had treated him when down with his own petty problems.

Dr. Melfi threatening to cut Tony loose?

Sounded like a set up for something later. I predict Melfi will get whacked. Or maybe she'll be the one to off Tony in self defense, that would be a pretty cool twist.

We still need an episode to close out her issues and why she has continued to counsel him all these years.

By far, the best part of the episode was Phil telling Vito Jr. that he looks like a "Puerto Rican whore".

Totally agree :lol:

[A.Life.Age.X]

I agree the episode was lame, like all the others this season.

[General Apathy]

shits about to get good.

Anyway we have hit the nadir and it builds from here

[Baron Von Raschke]

HBO has jumped the shark.

[General Apathy]

a little

[Dr T Non-Fan]

I was also wondering how Tony suddenly has a gambling problem. Isn't it his business to work the vig?
Hesch's girlfriend/wife dying suddenly? What are the odds?

Seems that Tony is closing the doors on his relationships. Next week is AJ's turn.

[Tobias Funke]

looks like furio finn adn teh russian whose runnin from chrisotffer and paulee in the woods will come back and wachk every1!!!!!!!

[Sotally Tober]

looks like furio finn adn teh russian whose runnin from chrisotffer and paulee in the woods will come back and wachk every1!!!!!!!
:lol: I've been wondering if we'd see the russian again! That would be great!

[Samantha]

Seems that Tony is closing the doors on his relationships. Next week is AJ's turn.

Sounds like it. Tony sees AJ as weak and struggles with not wanting him to be a mobster and not wanting him to be a wimp.

Hmmm, Tony's running out of options and AJ needs a job. Maybe the twist will be that Tony starts grooming AJ. That would be good for another few rounds of guilt, arguments with Carmela, and visits to the shrink ...

[HangerAngler]

WEhat ever happened to that guy [that used to play Vinnie on Doogie Howser]'s character? I remember him hurting some guys shin on a bridge in an episode. And he put that chef's hand in a pot of hot soup. Where has he been?

And who the F was that guy in the back of the car that Tony yelled at...[paraphrasing]: "maybe you should suck d!ck, make more money, Vito made 3 times n, where n is the amount of money you make building constructions".

[yoyo]

I predict we see the ducks again. :shrug:
yep

[A.Life.Age.X]

And who the F was that guy in the back of the car that Tony yelled at...[paraphrasing]: "maybe you should suck d!ck, make more money, Vito made 3 times n, where n is the amount of money you make building constructions".

Isn't his name Carlo? I think he's the dude who plunged a huge kitchen knife into the stomach of that big fat NY guy who came over to the Bing? and started mocking Vito and the Jersey crew.

[Sotally Tober]

WEhat ever happened to that guy [that used to play Vinnie on Doogie Howser]'s character? I remember him hurting some guys shin on a bridge in an episode. And he put that chef's hand in a pot of hot soup. Where has he been?

He was in the last episode, in the scene at The Bing, when Tony lost on the football game, then went in and smashed the furniture.

Speaking of Artie, I wonder why we haven't seen him at all this season.

[Sotally Tober]

Isn't his name Carlo?
Yes.

[DblDownTrent]

shits about to get good.

Anyway we have hit the nadir and it builds from here

go on.

[Guest]

To me this episode compared the two son-figures in Tony's life - AJ and Chris.

Chris is clearly depressed, alcoholic/drug addicted, regretting siding with Tony over Ade, and watching his life go down the tubes as he can't be a vital part of the biz without social drinking/drug use.

AJ is clearly depressed, finds some solace in drinking/drugs, is probably going to become an alcoholic/drug addict, got a taste of what the biz is all about when they poured acid on that guys foot, and noticed what an advantage his name could be.

i.e., Christopher = AJ in 15 years.

Anyway it was the most interesting episode this season.

Dumb question - when did Meadow and Finn break up? I totally missed that.

[SamTheEagle]

Dumb question - when did Meadow and Finn break up? I totally missed that.

I got a bit confused by that as well. I thought they were still together at Christmas time, so I guess it must be something that happened in the gap.

[Sotally Tober]

Christopher shouldn't be regretting siding with Tony over Adriana. Otherwise, he'd be dead too. But in his mind right now, he doesn't seem to see that. He is definitely feeling sorry for himself and thinks everyone is against him. FWIW, why kill JT there? That doesn't seem like the kind of thing Christopher would have done when only being drunk. And that was one hell of a shot for a drunkard.

[SamTheEagle]

Christopher shouldn't be regretting siding with Tony over Adriana. Otherwise, he'd be dead too. But in his mind right now, he doesn't seem to see that. He is definitely feeling sorry for himself and thinks everyone is against him. FWIW, why kill JT there? That doesn't seem like the kind of thing Christopher would have done when only being drunk. And that was one hell of a shot for a drunkard.

He just told the guy he was thinking about going to the feds and "retiring" to Arizona. Probably best he's not around.

[Sotally Tober]

He just told the guy he was thinking about going to the feds and "retiring" to Arizona. Probably best he's not around.
Well, he said he could, not that he was. Besides, he was drunk. For all JT knows, he was just babbling (about going to the Feds).

[SamTheEagle]

Well, he said he could, not that he was. Besides, he was drunk. For all JT knows, he was just babbling (about going to the Feds).

And for all Christopher knew (especially drunk), JT knew too much.

[Sotally Tober]

And for all Christopher knew (especially drunk), JT knew too much.
tru

[IMP]

:shrug:

[Tobias Funke]

Meddo is goignt o introduce fyourio as hr new fiancee and finn and fuyorio will go on a killing spree!!!!!

[General Apathy]

fo real

[SamTheEagle]

shits about to get good.

Anyway we have hit the nadir and it builds from here

:bump:

[SamTheEagle]

A.J.


:rofl: :lol: :lolup:

[asdfasdf]

I think the whole season is going to be slow

[General Apathy]

That episode was awesome

[SamTheEagle]

Except for the chick banging Tony with her top on. Chicks don't do that in real life do they? :shake:

[Sotally Tober]

Is there way for it to end with both Christopher and Tony alive? No. Which one dies?

The right one died, IMO. Maybe even a little too late. I never liked him. He was an f'n crybaby.

[yoyo]

Made me want to try buttons.

[DblDownTrent]

Made me want to try buttons.


I hear they make you win at roulette.

[DblDownTrent]

such a disappointing final season. only 3 left - so I'll watch 'em - but not expecting much anymore......


very weak effort.

[General Apathy]

shut up

[SamTheEagle]

shut up

How do you deal with these Philistines?

[Guest]

Except for the chick banging Tony with her top on. Chicks don't do that in real life do they? :shake:

They absolutely do.

What I'm not sure of is if chicks that smoking hot bang guys as ugly as Tony, even with all the money and power.

Anyway, that was the best episode yet this season.

I wonder if there's much significance to Dr Melfi having witnesses a blatant dissociation with Tony in therapy (i.e., first session he admits to killing his cousin, next one he says "they shot my cousin in the face.")

[Guest]

The right one died, IMO. Maybe even a little too late. I never liked him. He was an f'n crybaby.
No way. He ruled.

"I love you, Christafuh."

"You ****in' bettah."

[SamTheEagle]

They absolutely do.

What I'm not sure of is if chicks that smoking hot bang guys as ugly as Tony, even with all the money and power.

Anyway, that was the best episode yet this season.

I wonder if there's much significance to Dr Melfi having witnesses a blatant dissociation with Tony in therapy (i.e., first session he admits to killing his cousin, next one he says "they shot my cousin in the face.")

You do realize that first session was a dream, right?

[The Drunken Actuary]

I hope you don't take this the wrong way, but I've never seen a single episode of this show.

Thanks!

[General Apathy]

Oh no my whole world is shattered!!

[General Apathy]

How do you deal with these Philistines?

Patience.

Lots and lots of patience

[Guest]

You do realize that first session was a dream, right?

Seriously?

I totally missed that. Must have been getting popcorn.

[Guest]

I hope you don't take this the wrong way, but I've never seen a single episode of this show.

Thanks!
I can't believe I once worshipped the virtual ground you typed on.

[Sotally Tober]

Seriously?

I totally missed that. Must have been getting popcorn.
:lol: Yes, he's serious.

[Guest]

:lol: Yes, he's serious.

Thank goodness I checked with you guys.

So Tony basically dreamed about actually telling Melfi the truth for a change?

[Sotally Tober]

Thank goodness I checked with you guys.

So Tony basically dreamed about actually telling Melfi the truth for a change?
Yes, right before Sil, Paulie, Bobby, etc. came into his bedroom to see him after the accident. I think he clearly wanted to tell someone he did it, he clearly doesn't feel remorse for this one, and decided to tell the great Nevada desert after going on his roulette run. I think that's why he actually tried to get Carmella to say there was something in her voice like relief, thinking maybe he could share it with her, but when she got upset by it, he covered his tracks fast.

[Guest]

Yes, right before Sil, Paulie, Bobby, etc. came into his bedroom to see him after the accident. I think he clearly wanted to tell someone he did it, he clearly doesn't feel remorse for this one, and decided to tell the great Nevada desert after going on his roulette run. I think that's why he actually tried to get Carmella to say there was something in her voice like relief, thinking maybe he could share it with her, but when she got upset by it, he covered his tracks fast.
Sounds like you've got it all figured out! ;)

[The Drunken Actuary]

I can't believe I once worshipped the virtual ground you typed on.
I hope you don't take this the wrong way but...I can.

[General Apathy]

Yes, right before Sil, Paulie, Bobby, etc. came into his bedroom to see him after the accident. I think he clearly wanted to tell someone he did it, he clearly doesn't feel remorse for this one, and decided to tell the great Nevada desert after going on his roulette run. I think that's why he actually tried to get Carmella to say there was something in her voice like relief, thinking maybe he could share it with her, but when she got upset by it, he covered his tracks fast.

Did he say "I did it" or "I get it" to the desert?

[Hal Coldvice]

Did he say "I did it" or "I get it" to the desert?


He definitely said, "I get it" twice.

[General Apathy]

cool

[Hal Coldvice]

not sure what he "gets" tho

[SamTheEagle]

Thank goodness I checked with you guys.

So Tony basically dreamed about actually telling Melfi the truth for a change?

Yeah. Then he wakes up and looks at Carmela and says "I wasn't talking in my sleep, was I?"

[asdfasdf]

You do realize that first session was a dream, right?

the first four times I read this, I thought it said first season, that would have shattered my mind, but I'll fourth the first session as a dream.

(but I thought he said I did it to the desert)

[Dr T Non-Fan]

the first four times I read this, I thought it said first season, that would have shattered my mind, but I'll fourth the first session as a dream.

(but I thought he said I did it to the desert)
I put on the captions, because I can't understand NY/NJ'ers very well. (Especially if part of what they say is in Italian.)
I believe it said, "Get." What he's getting, I don't get.

And, usually when he has dreams of people knowing more than they should, he has them wacked. I don't see Melfi lasting too much longer.

[accobra_kid]

:bump: I finally watched episodes five and six of S6-Part2.

I thought the last one was fantastic... by far the best of the six we've seen recently. I had to pause the show about ten minutes in because I couldn't believe that they actually did it.

I could watch Tony gamble at roulette all day! So he hit 24 at about 300 on the third roll? Nice score. I'd love to be the guy getting his tips... "much appreciated"!

Nobody cares about Nucci having a stroke? Like Paulie, I was devastated! She was a great caracter!

[General Apathy]

get a mop

[SamTheEagle]

A.J.


:rofl: :lol: :lolup:

:bump:

[Samantha]

get a mop

Or maybe he's just a ******* idiot.

:lol:

[General Apathy]

I cringed at that scene!

[SamTheEagle]

I cringed at that scene!

So did my wife.

Are you sure you're a dude?

[Samantha]

I cringed at that scene!

Which one? The one in the restaurant?

I thought he killed the guy. I was surprised when they said he almost did.

So, now we got the wrap up an Meadow. She's on her way to becoming a mob wife, taking advantage of the perqs, and keeping her head in the sand, just like Mom.

Seems like the ending theme is becoming "the more things change, the more they stay the same."

Unless something happens with the FBI/terrorist angle. Maybe Tony will make a sweet deal and get to retire. I am interested to see how they end it. :shrug:

[General Apathy]

So did my wife.

Are you sure you're a dude?

Well I certainly am after the surgery

[Dr T Non-Fan]

I was a little surprised that Tony didn't hold AJ under. Such a bratty character.

First he's ignorant to the world's issues. Then, he gets a megadose of English/philosophy and current events. (Carmela wondering how they can teach such poems, to grown adults at a college, is quite hilarious.)

[Dr T Non-Fan]

Phil's getting whacked. That's old-school, the way he likes it.

[Samantha]

I was a little surprised that Tony didn't hold AJ under. Such a bratty character.

Naa, Tony feels responsible for AJ being the way he is. Plus he's his "Baby".

I thought it was interesting of Meadow to tell AJ, "We're Italian, you're their son, you'll always be more important." I'm no authority on Italian culture, is this a stereotype with any merit?

[djtrifecta]

It'll be interesting to see where Little Carmine plays in the Tony vs. Phil war. Seems Little Carmine agrees with Tony, but has his base in New York... a character who was just a little coward could now play a key role.

Anyone else kinda mad that Chris isn't around now that the **** is hitting the fan? Woulda been good to see the old violent sociopath Chris in the end instead of the over emotional recovering addict. Oh well.

I can't see how everything will be wrapped up in 2 episodes. I heard a rumor that the finale is 2 hours, but there's still just too much to cover in that short amount of time.

[General Apathy]

Crap's getting good

[SamTheEagle]

Crap's getting good

You called it.

[asdfasdf]

I called the terrorist thing, that's gonna come back, the whole gang war thing is too predictable.

[Dr T Non-Fan]

I called the terrorist thing, that's gonna come back, the whole gang war thing is too predictable.
Maybe Tony contacts those two guys now pegged as terrorists, and sets up Phil to get arrested for aiding the enemy.

[vito]

I think Phil fears a return to prison more than he fears death. Maybe Tony can frame him somehow.

[Hal Coldvice]

Maybe Tony contacts those two guys now pegged as terrorists, and sets up Phil to get arrested for aiding the enemy.

I really don't think Agent Harris is working the Terrorist angle. I believe he's still OC and is trying anything he can with Tony.

Remember, there was that part early in the season where Tony went to jail after some cop busted him for the weapon he tossed at Johnny Sac's. They dropped it quickly after the feds moved in. They gotta have a lot more info than they are showing.

[Sotally Tober]

Crazy prediction: Tony whacks Phil (he deserves it), with Little Carmine's approval, LC takes over the family, like he should have to begin with, and Tony, LC, and the entire "family" live happily ever after.

:shrug:

[IMP]

Crazy prediction: Tony whacks Phil (he deserves it), with Little Carmine's approval, LC takes over the family, like he should have to begin with, and Tony, LC, and the entire "family" live happily ever after.

:shrug:phil has got to go. hell, i'll whack him. the only good thing about phil was that grand closet door scene in vito's hotel room. other than that, man, that character is wack like crack and he needs to get popped but good.

[Hal Coldvice]

phil has got to go. hell, i'll whack him. the only good thing about phil was that grand closet door scene in vito's hotel room. other than that, man, that character is wack like crack and he needs to get popped but good.

yes, I agree with the nice lady. he's gotta go. he seems to be worn down and wants out, then he wants back in and he's pissed again. although, I have enjoyed a few of his scenes. one I can remember is when he was talking to Vito's goth kid. :tup:

[IMP]

hal coldvice = dooby scoo?

[Dooby Scoo]

hal coldvice = dooby scoo?

:shrug: 1 other person in the world thinks you are a :qunq: nice lady :qunq: and it has to be me?



:oops:

[IMP]

:shrug: 1 other person in the world thinks you are a :qunq: nice lady :qunq: and it has to be me?



:oops:no, many ppl think i am a nice lady, it's just that 1 other person on the RF calls me nice lady...so it has to be you. :D

[A1ex WK]

phil has got to go. hell, i'll whack him. the only good thing about phil was that grand closet door scene in vito's hotel room. other than that, man, that character is wack like crack and he needs to get popped but good.

Phil had a great scene in season 5 where he put a phone book over that one lady's chest and fired a round into it. the bullet didn't make it all the way through and then he had that great line:

"next time, there won't be a next time."

i always thought he was a badass after that. but yeah, i wouldn't mind seeing him go now. him and that little smarmy guy who's always around him.

[SamTheEagle]

A.J.


:rofl: :lol: :lolup:

:bump:

[Hal Coldvice]

:popcorn:

[Guest]

I mourned Bobby in my dreams all night. Weird.

[Guest]

My prediction for the finale -

AJ flips out and kills Tony.

[SamTheEagle]

My prediction for the finale -

AJ flips out and kills Tony.

I hope not. The last thing I want to see is that kid get any sort of redemption.

[Samantha]

Well, so much for Sil taking over. A disappointing end for such a great character, I thought they could have done a better job with that. It's almost like they realized, "Oops! We're running out of time, we had better start killing them off."

Melfi was able to tell Tony off as best she could and fire him without getting herself killed. Good for her, although again, they could have put more into that.

One more to go! I don't see Tony getting out alive. Pat Sr. will be the only one left to be in charge (Paulie's not on the hit list, but he'll go out with Tony) Phil's group will "work with whoever's left." This will mean that Meadow's no longer with an "underling's" son, she's with the boss's son, a budding criminal lawyer and a former boss's daughter to boot. Looks like the next generation is pretty well set up.

[Hal Coldvice]

Big storm rolls through with about 10 minutes left and satellite cuts out for the first time in 6 years....right as Sil is pulling out of the parking lot. Not sure how I got to sleep. But I tivo'd a couple middle of the night episodes and watched before work.

That gun Tony has isn't going to stop anyone when he's sleepin'. Which house did they end up at? His ma's old house? Junior's? Or just some random for times like this?

[Samantha]

Big storm rolls through with about 10 minutes left and satellite cuts out for the first time in 6 years....right as Sil is pulling out of the parking lot.

:yikes: Oh man! I hate it when something like that happens!

[Fiveagain]

Sil isn't dead yet. He is in the hospital in critical condition.

[SamTheEagle]

Sil isn't dead yet. He is in the hospital in critical condition.

Doctors don't expect him to wake up.

[Hal Coldvice]

Doctors don't expect him to wake up.


Agreed, he's as good as done. No way he does anything meaningful in the finale.

Is anyone disappointed when Tony was saying to bring in some friends from Italy, that it wasn't Furio. When he nodded at Paulie, I was certain that is who was coming to whoop up on NY.

[SamTheEagle]

Agreed, he's as good as done. No way he does anything meaningful in the finale.

Is anyone disappointed when Tony was saying to bring in some friends from Italy, that it wasn't Furio. When he nodded at Paulie, I was certain that is who was coming to whoop up on NY.

Yes. I was really expecting to be Furio. Though it wouldn't have made much sense, given how much Tony dislikes him for leaving.

[Hal Coldvice]

Yes. I was really expecting to be Furio. Though it wouldn't have made much sense, given how much Tony dislikes him for leaving.


But the nod he gave Paulie, I was certainly he was saying, "its ok, bring his ass over here."

[SamTheEagle]

But the nod he gave Paulie, I was certainly he was saying, "its ok, bring his ass over here."

He would have done the job right, too.

[Zee]

I liked it when Phil said something like "In my scrapbook, there ain't no scraps", and the other two guys looked at each other like "WTF does that even mean?".

[Zee]

Oh yeah, big letdown that it wasn't Furio. I have no idea what the nod was all about between Tony and Paulie. I hate that, it makes you feel like you missed something significant.

[A.Life.Age.X]

Doesn't Tony still want to cut off Furio's balls? Last I remember hearing Furio's name, Tony said something like "he better stay in hiding or else I'll skin him alive" I don't think Tony ever got over the AWOL and apparent connection with Carm.

[A.Life.Age.X]

Two questions:

1. Who did Sil kill at the beginning? I kind of missed his explanation to Tony.
2. They confirmed that it was Sil who was in the coma who wouldn't wake up? Anyone have the exact dialogue? I missed exactly what was said. I thought Sil was just shot in the leg and shoulder and he'd be fine.

[A.Life.Age.X]

I'd be really surprised if they kill off Tony in the finale, btw.

[SamTheEagle]

Two questions:

1. Who did Sil kill at the beginning? I kind of missed his explanation to Tony.
2. They confirmed that it was Sil who was in the coma who wouldn't wake up? Anyone have the exact dialogue? I missed exactly what was said. I thought Sil was just shot in the leg and shoulder and he'd be fine.

1. I didn't recognize him, but from what he said later, I think he was a NY guy that tried to get Sil to turn on Tony.

2. I think it was confirmed, but I don't know the dialogue. It looked to me that after they panned back to him inthe car, he was pretty shot up.

[A.Life.Age.X]

Anyone remember when Tony rammed Phil's car then utterly humiliated him by choking him and demanding his money? Phil seemed like such a pussy back then, esp. the way he dropped his ice cream cone and ran like a baby when he saw Tony.

[djtrifecta]

Anyone remember when Tony rammed Phil's car then utterly humiliated him by choking him and demanding his money? Phil seemed like such a pussy back then, esp. the way he dropped his ice cream cone and ran like a baby when he saw Tony.

And then the follow up where Phil whined about his car not being repaired exactly right? Phil is going down, and it'll be one of the greatest hits the series has ever had.

They confirmed that it was Sil who was in the coma who wouldn't wake up?

Don't have the exact dialogue, but when Paulie and Tony are getting stuff from Tony's house, Paulie says that "doctors don't expect Sil to wake up".

Melfi was pathetic. She looked more like she did in Goodfellas as the insane mob-wife than a therapist. I hope her story is not over, but it feels like we won't see her again.

[Guest]

Melfi was pathetic. She looked more like she did in Goodfellas as the insane mob-wife than a therapist. I hope her story is not over, but it feels like we won't see her again.
Yeah, I was disappointed in her...completely unprofessional. There is no reason for a doctor to talk to her patient like that.

[A.Life.Age.X]

agree that scene was weak and unrealistic.

[Samantha]

agree that scene was weak and unrealistic.

Unlike all of the other scenes where a mob boss is visiting a shrink. ;-)

I think we're done with Melfi. SHe got out alive, which is the best she could hope for. She told him off a little, which is what she should have done (she's "us" in a way, those watching from the outside, asking him why he does the things he does, finally getting fed up with no answers and realizing that he's never going to change and so it ends.)

[General Apathy]

TSIA

[A.Life.Age.X]

Another quick question I had:

The Ukranian Phil was deliberately planted by the real Phil, right? The cousins from Italty weren't so stupid as to totally track the wrong guy? They did actually go to Phil's gooma's house but Phil had planted a decoy?

[Samantha]

Another quick question I had:

The Ukranian Phil was deliberately planted by the real Phil, right? The cousins from Italty weren't so stupid as to totally track the wrong guy? They did actually go to Phil's gooma's house but Phil had planted a decoy?

It's possible I suppose, but they never clearly mentioned it. They may have just been that stupid.

And I think Tony has to die in the end, somehow. I can't see him getting out of this (the series, that is) alive.

[DblDownTrent]

finally a good episode. this should have been the 1st episode of the final season - not 2nd to last.

[IMP]

And then the follow up where Phil whined about his car not being repaired exactly right? Phil is going down, and it'll be one of the greatest hits the series has ever had.im hoping for that

[Baron Von Raschke]

Seems obvious that Paulie tipped Phil off. Almost too obvious.

[IMP]

Seems obvious that Paulie tipped Phil off. Almost too obvious.i kind of thought that actually. going back to the time paulie was in jail...he's held a grudge ever since.

[A.Life.Age.X]

In Jail when? For that tiny sentence that lasted hardly anything at all?

[IMP]

In Jail when? For that tiny sentence that lasted hardly anything at all?several seasons ago. the gun found in his car or something. he was pissed that no one called or visited. except someone from ny...i think it was phil, but i don't remember who exactly. i do know it wasn't tony or one of that crew. remember, it was from paulie that john sack heard the fat joke about his wife.

[A.Life.Age.X]

yeah I remember that. I just dont see him holding a grudge for so long over that sentence. Seemed pretty minor and Paulie is a sensitive emotional baby who flips out over the littlest thing. I think he forgets pretty quickly too.

[Feisty8888]

Did I miss something? When did Paulie tip off Phil?

[Baron Von Raschke]

We know Paulie has not always been happy with his place in the family. We know that he had the weird trip on the boat where we thought he might get whacked by Tony earlier in the season. We know that he was responsible for organizing the hit on Phil that went awry. We know that Phil didn't order a hit on him with the other guys. All coincidences?

[Feisty8888]

Wow, when you lay it all out there, it really does seem obvious.

[Baron Von Raschke]

You might say I am a master of the obvious.

[HangerAngler]

I just watched the most recent episode last night. That sucked to watch both Bobby and Sil get it. So now they have like 5 guys holed up in some random house in Newark? What can they do?

The crazy thing is that none of this would have happened if Tony didn't curb Coco for his comments to Meadow. He probably could have just beat him and gotten away with that.

[Volsfan]

We know Paulie has not always been happy with his place in the family. We know that he had the weird trip on the boat where we thought he might get whacked by Tony earlier in the season. We know that he was responsible for organizing the hit on Phil that went awry. We know that Phil didn't order a hit on him with the other guys. All coincidences?

He was also treated badly by NY. Remember, Johnny Sac was going to mention him to Carmine and when Paulie talked to Carmine he had no idea who he was.

[A1ex WK]

He was also treated badly by NY. Remember, Johnny Sac was going to mention him to Carmine and when Paulie talked to Carmine he had no idea who he was.

Johnny had Paulie believing the whole time that Carmine really like Paulie when in fact he didn't even know who he was. That was just Johnny pumping info from Paulie. Once Paulie found out that Johnny was using him, he pretty much went back to being 100% in Tony's crew. But lately, it seems that he's been passed over (not even in the top 3 according to NY) and he may still be angry with Tony and the rest of NJ. Who knows where he's coming from anymore. But yeah, now that it has been mentioned, I wouldn't be suprised if he has been working with NY and tipped Phil off about everything. They showed that Sil had been approached by NY (and offed the guy at the beginning of the last episode) so who knows if anyone else has been approached...and now i'm thinking that Paulie was.

[SamTheEagle]

Johnny had Paulie believing the whole time that Carmine really like Paulie when in fact he didn't even know who he was. That was just Johnny pumping info from Paulie. Once Paulie found out that Johnny was using him, he pretty much went back to being 100% in Tony's crew. But lately, it seems that he's been passed over (not even in the top 3 according to NY) and he may still be angry with Tony and the rest of NJ. Who knows where he's coming from anymore. But yeah, now that it has been mentioned, I wouldn't be suprised if he has been working with NY and tipped Phil off about everything. They showed that Sil had been approached by NY (and offed the guy at the beginning of the last episode) so who knows if anyone else has been approached...and now i'm thinking that Paulie was.

Also, remember that earlier this season, Tony considered whacking Paulie while on the yacht, and Paulie knew it.

[SamTheEagle]

Also, remember that earlier this season, Tony considered whacking Paulie while on the yacht, and Paulie knew it.

Nevermind, this has been covered.

Post count = Post count + 2.

[HangerAngler]

I feel kind of stupid for never making the realization that the NY people in this show were supposed to constitute one of the 5 NY families. For some reason I didn't view them as being significant. I thought they were NY, sure, but maybe a lesser family that operated on the outskirts of NY, putting them in similar stature as the NJ family, just bigger b/c they cover a bigger area.

I doubt that Paulie was involved in any sort of backstabbing here. He seems to far down a path of "I'm NJ or dead, and right now I'm just walking towards dead".

Either way, did I miss something about the missed hit on Phil? Yes, that guy resembled Phil, but he couldnt' have been artificially planted at Phil's gooma's house. That would have been a wrong house more likely than a planted non-involved innocent person.

[SamTheEagle]

I feel kind of stupid for never making the realization that the NY people in this show were supposed to constitute one of the 5 NY families. For some reason I didn't view them as being significant. I thought they were NY, sure, but maybe a lesser family that operated on the outskirts of NY, putting them in similar stature as the NJ family, just bigger b/c they cover a bigger area.

I doubt that Paulie was involved in any sort of backstabbing here. He seems to far down a path of "I'm NJ or dead, and right now I'm just walking towards dead".

Either way, did I miss something about the missed hit on Phil? Yes, that guy resembled Phil, but he couldnt' have been artificially planted at Phil's gooma's house. That would have been a wrong house more likely than a planted non-involved innocent person.

I also don't feel like Paulie is working with NY, though it is an interesting theory to consider, especially since Sil was courted by them.

The way I see the timeline is Phil blew off Tony, called the hit on him immediately, like within the next day or two, and then went into hiding, figuring that with all the bad blood, Tony might have it out for him, too. I'm not sure that there was any tipping off going that way.

[Optimus Prime]

So now they have like 5 guys holed up in some random house in Newark? What can they do?




I think the house is Junior's. Wouldn't it suck if the last episode was a "best of" flash back episode for a full hour with 5 minutes of gun fight at the end and everyone dies.

Or maybe Tony wakes up and it's just a dream, and he's really just a garbage man.

[SamTheEagle]

Or maybe Tony wakes up and it's just a dream, and he's really just a garbage man.

Or maybe he wakes up and he's really just a military arms dealer. ;)

[A.Life.Age.X]

Either way, did I miss something about the missed hit on Phil? Yes, that guy resembled Phil, but he couldnt' have been artificially planted at Phil's gooma's house. That would have been a wrong house more likely than a planted non-involved innocent person.

I was a bit confused too but think I figured it out. I don't think he was a plant at all. I just think the gooma's father happened to look like Phil and just happened to be at his daughter's house that night. There was probably some messed up Electra complex going on with her.

[win diesel]

I think the house is Junior's. Wouldn't it suck if the last episode was a "best of" flash back episode for a full hour with 5 minutes of gun fight at the end and everyone dies.

Or maybe Tony wakes up and it's just a dream, and he's really just a garbage man.

He's really Kevin Finnerty.

[win diesel]

Brace yourself for an ending that leaves open alot of questions and seemingly untied knots. ala missing Russian guy

[Dooby Scoo]

I was a bit confused too but think I figured it out. I don't think he was a plant at all. I just think the gooma's father happened to look like Phil and just happened to be at his daughter's house that night. There was probably some messed up Electra complex going on with her.

agreed.

[Dooby Scoo]

also, FWIW, Paulie called Phil the biggest c*sucker there is in the last episode. I'm 100% sure he's not playing both sides of the fence.

I also don't believe Tony HAS to die. I think its Phil and his crew that dies and I gotta think something happens to a real family member of Tony's, like Carm, AJ, or Meadow. It seemed from the previews that Meadow looked like she was hearing bad news and AJ looked as if he saw something suprising...maybe Carm dying?

Dude, Tony's got that gun, how can someone die with that thing in your grips?

[A1ex WK]

Dude, Tony's got that gun, how can someone die with that thing in your grips?

heart attack. he hasn't been eating healthy for the last 40 or so years.

[win diesel]

Hey, has this scene been in the season? I don't think so, its in some thread where a guy claims to have seen the last episode.

[Hal Coldvice]

maybe he's brining him the 5 bux that Janice wouldn't take...

[Hal Coldvice]

and no, he hasn't seen Jr in a while.

[Hal Coldvice]

heart attack. he hasn't been eating healthy for the last 40 or so years.

sounds like a lame ending.

[win diesel]

and no, he hasn't seen Jr in a while.

Yeah, I think its proof the guy has really seen the finale. All I have to do to find out what happens is click a link. But I've abstained...

[Hal Coldvice]

How hard is it to Dr. up this pic tho? Come on. Jr's done on this show.

[djtrifecta]

Multiple endings were shot to help keep the ending secret. This could be part of an alternate ending.

[accobra_kid]

... its in some thread where a guy claims to have seen the last episode.

Do you have a link to this thread?

[General Apathy]

wtach out for the rick roll

[win diesel]

Do you have a link to this thread?

Ok, here it is. Be careful, this could be for real. This is a link to the 13th page. i have not looked at the first page which could be the real spoiler. Why would anyone think this is a Rick Roll? lol


http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=exchange&Number=10667505&page=1&fpart=13

[General Apathy]

omg

[HangerAngler]

wtf

[Alto Reed on a Tenor Sax]

wtf is right.


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[General Apathy]

Here is the spoiler from that link.

I put it in 10 spoiler tags so that at anytime while pressing spoiler buttons you can reconsider what you are doing.

Anyway it sounds legit to me

Anyways on to the spoilers. Carm blows up, as in kaboom over with no time to speculate that we didnt see her head blow off, burnt to a crisp good old fashion remote control bomb. It is witnessed by aj and meadow, who are on there way to a safe house, at this point aj finaly steps up, knowing his father is outmatched with little muscle left. I can hear you all ready saying aj couldnt kill himself how the hell can he kill someone else. this has been in his destiny, he will help his father. Meadow will fade to black as tony orders her off with janice and she ggives him a mouthfull about how she knew he killed that man when they went to college s1 ep 5? and he is the devil, blah blah blah. that will be the end of meadow and janice. Tony and his lowly crew with new members aj, and pat jr. will develop a plan, Tony is called to a sit down with a mafia boss we have never met or ever heard of, which I felt was kinda lame, and tony smells it out. paulie walnuts comes up with the info of where phil is (some cabin) and sends benny and aj to handle it. benny kills phil at a gas station, also alternate version of aj killing phil was left on the cutting board. Tony and paulie wipe out the remaing crew, with only carmine jr. remaing to deal with after aget harris plays him a tape of carmine and phil discussing why the hit on tony didnt go down when carmine brought him to phils houe ( phils voice saying cooler heads have prevailed was phil telling carmine the hit was off) when aj returns his father is ready for a father son mafia moment and aj is having none of it, agent harris who is acting on intelegence that tony is going to kill carmine goes to discourage him, and walks in on AJ with glock loaded pointed at tony. he tells tony that he killed his mom, bobby, jackie jr, and god knows who else and the killing stops today. before he can squeese the trigger angent harris fires a shot and hits aj in the chest, tony screams and runs to aj who dies in his arms simalar to after his sucide attempt. in the end tony is by himself, no where to go. The final scene is melfi reading it all in a newspaper at a ice cream parlor. the end.

[Alto Reed on a Tenor Sax]

Here is the spoiler from that link.

I put it in 10 spoiler tags so that at anytime while pressing spoiler buttons you can reconsider what you are doing.

Anyway it sounds legit to me

Anyways on to the spoilers. Carm blows up, as in kaboom over with no time to speculate that we didnt see her head blow off, burnt to a crisp good old fashion remote control bomb. It is witnessed by aj and meadow, who are on there way to a safe house, at this point aj finaly steps up, knowing his father is outmatched with little muscle left. I can hear you all ready saying aj couldnt kill himself how the hell can he kill someone else. this has been in his destiny, he will help his father. Meadow will fade to black as tony orders her off with janice and she ggives him a mouthfull about how she knew he killed that man when they went to college s1 ep 5? and he is the devil, blah blah blah. that will be the end of meadow and janice. Tony and his lowly crew with new members aj, and pat jr. will develop a plan, Tony is called to a sit down with a mafia boss we have never met or ever heard of, which I felt was kinda lame, and tony smells it out. paulie walnuts comes up with the info of where phil is (some cabin) and sends benny and aj to handle it. benny kills phil at a gas station, also alternate version of aj killing phil was left on the cutting board. Tony and paulie wipe out the remaing crew, with only carmine jr. remaing to deal with after aget harris plays him a tape of carmine and phil discussing why the hit on tony didnt go down when carmine brought him to phils houe ( phils voice saying cooler heads have prevailed was phil telling carmine the hit was off) when aj returns his father is ready for a father son mafia moment and aj is having none of it, agent harris who is acting on intelegence that tony is going to kill carmine goes to discourage him, and walks in on AJ with glock loaded pointed at tony. he tells tony that he killed his mom, bobby, jackie jr, and god knows who else and the killing stops today. before he can squeese the trigger angent harris fires a shot and hits aj in the chest, tony screams and runs to aj who dies in his arms simalar to after his sucide attempt. in the end tony is by himself, no where to go. The final scene is melfi reading it all in a newspaper at a ice cream parlor. the end.


Damn, I wish I hadn't read that.

Would it have killed you to add a few more spoiler tags?

[SamTheEagle]

Here is the spoiler from that link.

I put it in 10 spoiler tags so that at anytime while pressing spoiler buttons you can reconsider what you are doing.

Anyway it sounds legit to me

Anyways on to the spoilers. Carm blows up, as in kaboom over with no time to speculate that we didnt see her head blow off, burnt to a crisp good old fashion remote control bomb. It is witnessed by aj and meadow, who are on there way to a safe house, at this point aj finaly steps up, knowing his father is outmatched with little muscle left. I can hear you all ready saying aj couldnt kill himself how the hell can he kill someone else. this has been in his destiny, he will help his father. Meadow will fade to black as tony orders her off with janice and she ggives him a mouthfull about how she knew he killed that man when they went to college s1 ep 5? and he is the devil, blah blah blah. that will be the end of meadow and janice. Tony and his lowly crew with new members aj, and pat jr. will develop a plan, Tony is called to a sit down with a mafia boss we have never met or ever heard of, which I felt was kinda lame, and tony smells it out. paulie walnuts comes up with the info of where phil is (some cabin) and sends benny and aj to handle it. benny kills phil at a gas station, also alternate version of aj killing phil was left on the cutting board. Tony and paulie wipe out the remaing crew, with only carmine jr. remaing to deal with after aget harris plays him a tape of carmine and phil discussing why the hit on tony didnt go down when carmine brought him to phils houe ( phils voice saying cooler heads have prevailed was phil telling carmine the hit was off) when aj returns his father is ready for a father son mafia moment and aj is having none of it, agent harris who is acting on intelegence that tony is going to kill carmine goes to discourage him, and walks in on AJ with glock loaded pointed at tony. he tells tony that he killed his mom, bobby, jackie jr, and god knows who else and the killing stops today. before he can squeese the trigger angent harris fires a shot and hits aj in the chest, tony screams and runs to aj who dies in his arms simalar to after his sucide attempt. in the end tony is by himself, no where to go. The final scene is melfi reading it all in a newspaper at a ice cream parlor. the end.

I'm not sure whether I hate you or myself more.

[SamTheEagle]

Damn, I wish I hadn't read that.

Would it have killed you to add a few more spoiler tags?

Seriously, what kind of prick only uses ten spoilers?

[HangerAngler]

I don't buy it.

[General Apathy]

Note to the AO. My 10 spoiler policy has been reviewed. I will be using 11 spoilers going forward

[A1ex WK]

for the love of god get me out of this thread before i do something that i'll regret

[General Apathy]

Another Spoiler (totally different from the other) with Pictures:

Only 1 spoiler tag, so careful.

Seriously.

OK 2 spoiler tagsThe episode was written and directed by the show's creator David Chase, marking the first time Chase has directed an episode since the series premiere. It is due to air on Sunday June 10, 2007. David Chase is said to have shot three different endings in case spoilers found their way on the internet.

The episode opens at a gas station in upstate New york a couple pull up to a pump in a red Cadillac. It is revealed to be Phil and Patty Leotardo. Phil gets out and begins to fill his tank when Benny Fazio approaches him from behind and shoots him twice in the head. Benny runs and gets into a sedan driven by Patsy Parisi and the two speed off as an african american youth onlooker throws up.

We see see Tony Soprano, Paulie Walnuts, Carlo Gervasi, and Dante Greco playing cards in the safehouse from the prior episode. Tony gets a call from Benny on a payphone. He says "The Shaw's gone," and hangs up. Tony get up and motions for Paulie to follow. The two get into his Escalade after putting his AR-10 inot the backseat. The two drive to Satriales and sit outside all the while discussing days past in Johnny Boy Sopranos heyday. Paulie is working on his tan and Tony is smoking a cigar when a black Cadillac sedan approaches. Little Carmine Luperatazzi exits the backseat while the car drives around the corner. They seat themselves across from Tony and Paulie and begin to discuss recent affairs. After many malaprosims from Carmine and some moronic rambling from Paulie Tony laughs and interjects saying he is proud to be present at the first sit down between the new bosses of New Jersey and Brooklyn. Paulie and Carmine both appear shocked and Tony tells them its long over due and Paulie has been passed up too many times. Tony leaves the two and goes inside to speak with Agent Harris. Who is seen sitting in the back corner. Harris acknowledges Carmines presence and asks if hes to take that Carmine's the new boss of Brooklynn Tony tells him to, "Take whatever the *beep* you want and take one last Veal Parm Hero on the house."

We now see AJ, Carmella, and Meadow in a motel room. A knock on the door prompts Carmella to remove a .45 automatic from her purse and walk to the door and ask whos there? Meadow reading the paper and AJ watching t.v. are both scared. After a long silence a familiar voice say's "A loving father and husband." Carmella opens the door and Tony and Paulie enter they all leave and go back to Casa De Soprano. After arriving home Janice Pulls up, leaves her kids there and her and Tony leave. Leaving Paulie to guard their respective families. The two arrive at a state hospital where they enter one at a time to talk to their Uncle Junior.

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The two make small talk until the shooting comes up. Junior apologizes and said he was out of his head and that he always loved Tony even when he didnt show it. Tony and Janice return home around night fall and Tony and Paulie leave again. Carmela is worried and Tony tells her not to worry because this is the last time he will be leaving like this.

Paulie and Tony are sitting in his car at night in an empty parking lot as the snow is falling discussing Paulies promotion. Tony says he will be happy to be Consigliere to Paulie. When headlights shine upon them, the two get out and walk toward a parked SUV. Butch DeConcini and Albie Cianflone exit it and walk toward them. They discuss peace and Tony tells them that if ran under Carmine, Brooklyn could expect no problems from them. They shake hands and Tony suggests a drink to celebrate. Tony walks back to his car and opens the backseat. Tony pulls out a large object covered in a black plastic garbage bag. Paulie runs off to the side and throws himself down and Albie and Butch pull out pistols but are too late when the garbage bag erupts with machine gun fire. Tony helps Paulie out of the snow and the two admire the AR-10 and two dead bodies. Tony looks the gun over and admires a phrase written on the stock. "Made In America." The two then drive away.

We see the Soprano home at daylight the next day. Carmela is in the bathtub, Meadow is asleep, and AJ is unlocking the hidden gun closet in an indoor column. He removes something and then goes outside. We see the pool once again uncovered, yet empty with AJ sitting in the botton holding a hand grenade. He pulls the pin out and holds the handle. He hesitates and throws it to the other end of the pool and it blows up dirtying him. Carmela comes outside with her .45 and nearly shoots her son. Tony arrives to see him sitting on the couch being questioned. AJ says it was so cool. Tony laughs and writes it off and tells everyone to get in the car. Carmela asks where there going and Tony replies, "Out for ice cream."

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We see a number of things in the final scene: Paulie the surviving Jersey crew with Carmine and his crew having dinner together and toasting the two's promotions, Silvio's heartbeat monitor going flat, and Janice in a small home with her three kids appearing miserable, Agent Harris arresting the two muslims from the Bada Bing apparently making bombs, Pat Blundetto breaking Junior out of the state hospital,and Dr. Jennifer Melfi smiling alone in her office while reading about the recent gangland slayings and Anthony Sopranos apparent stepping down as boss. Finally we see Tony and his immediate family together at an ice cream parlor.Tony then tells his family that he is no longer depressed and that being with his family and them being safe was better than all the therapists and Prozac in the world. It just took all this *beep* to make him see it. AJ says he's happy just to be alive and that he has snapped out of it as well. Tony proposes a toast to his family mirroring the season one finale "I Dream Of Jeannie Cusamano".

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[General Apathy]

omg

[General Apathy]

perfect

[IMP]

uhm....did my cable go out? what a bad ending. :swear:

[General Apathy]

perfect ending

[SamTheEagle]

uhm....did my cable go out? what a bad ending. :swear:

You've been wrong this entire thread.


You should apologize.

[A.Life.Age.X]

GA was so wrong. They want us to think Tony was blown away.

[General Apathy]

They want us to think Tony was blown away.

No way OJ

[A.Life.Age.X]

Of course they do. Why else have the screen go black like that?

[General Apathy]

That's absurd.

[TOTEM]

What the hell. All those years of watching the show for that crap. I am going to sell all the Sopranos dvd's I have now for wasting all those hours of my life for the worst ending of a show ever. What a piece of crap the show became in the end. They should of ended it at four seasons.

:exams:Sopranos

[General Apathy]

You don't get it

[Sotally Tober]

You don't get it
I don't either. Me dumb. can someone explain? please?

The guy at the counter, we've seen him before. Where? What did he do then? Are we supposed to figure that out and solve the puzzle? OMG! WTF?!?! :swear:

[accobra_kid]

Ok, I'm glad I'm not the only one who was a bit confused by that ending.

[General Apathy]

I don't either. Me dumb. can someone explain? please?

The guy at the counter, we've seen him before. Where? What did he do then? Are we supposed to figure that out and solve the puzzle? OMG! WTF?!?! :swear:

I need to ponder on the whole episode but my immediate take on the last scene was a jab at all of us by Chase...a jab because he always put it forth as a show about a family who happened to be in the mob whereas the masses wanted it to be goodfellas all the time. He deliberately teased us with a hit or an exploding restauarant. The last scene was really just about the family.

If there is any symbolism it is in meadow trying to park the car or something. I dunno.

[General Apathy]

And I could be totally wrong.

[Sotally Tober]

I feel like Chase "over-thought" this one, and what he thought we might all :qunq:get:qunq:, we don't. Whatever meaning was there, in his mind, was lost on us. Or, at least, it was on me. :shrug:

[TOTEM]

You don't get it

Yeah, I get it and it was a completely ridiculous way to end the show.

[DW Simpson]

I need to ponder on the whole episode but my immediate take on the last scene was a jab at all of us by Chase...a jab because he always put it forth as a show about a family who happened to be in the mob whereas the masses wanted it to be goodfellas all the time. He deliberately teased us with a hit or an exploding restauarant. The last scene was really just about the family.

If there is any symbolism it is in meadow trying to park the car or something. I dunno.

My guess is that if we were able to see the rest of the night that nothing extraordinary happened. The guy at the counter probably was an FBI guy, and the guys that walked in at the end weren't pertinent to the story. We got a snapshot of what it will be like the rest of Tony's life: paranoia as he runs a reduced crew with substandard talent until he gets indicted.

If they had taken out Carm earlier in the night, that would have been great TV. She mailed it in this season.

Yeah, I get it and it was a completely ridiculous way to end the show.

The last episode of Seinfeld was horrible. This wasn't Seinfeld horrible.

[A.Life.Age.X]

yeah I agree it was used to showcase Tony's paranoia. Still no reason to cut the screen like that. They could have just as easily shown Meadow come and then they all sit down and it ends. Would have accomplished the same thing.

[IMP]

The last episode of Seinfeld was horrible. This wasn't Seinfeld horrible.while i don't like what you said in the other thread, i do agree with you here.

[Samantha]

I dunno. I didn't expect Tony to live through the last episode, but other than that, the ending was pretty much what I expected. Everybody who's left has a path for moving forward. What more could we ask for? (Except maybe some ducks.)

I think the only thing to "get" is that you shouldn't set your expectations too high. The more things change, the more they stay the same and so it goes ...

:popcorn:

[DblDownTrent]

this episode was ok. but the whole final season was the worst of the bunch, which I thought would be impossible after last season - which was also horrible.

they all mailed it in a while back.

[win diesel]

this episode was ok. but the whole final season was the worst of the bunch, which I thought would be impossible after last season - which was also horrible.

they all mailed it in a while back.

Ahh, i'm not sure. I'm going to watch again in a few minutes, but I think I'm going to laugh even harder at that scene with Phil lol "Damn" lol

I was fully expecting to have Chase "not give us what we want". That's been his style, demonstrated by the Russian.

My only complaint is just do a soft fade of black, instead of the cutoff.

[SOAPhobic]

I guess we'll just have to take a peyote to :qunq: get :qunq: it.

[HangerAngler]

I think that the Russian guy has tracked down Finn while Finn was on a rock climbinb trip, and they are currently duking it out with an icepick and a climbing hammer on the face of some mountain.

[Guest]

Biggest. Cop-out. Ever.

[SamTheEagle]

That episode was awesome. And as soon as I get home and rewatch episode 78, I'll tell you why it was awesome.

[A1ex WK]

I'm satisfied with the ending. if they had just shown him getting killed or they let you know that he would be ok for the next 100 years, it wouldn't have been as good i don't think. i just wish they had drawn out the phil hit a little more to be something awesome like the bobby hit.

[SamTheEagle]

I'm satisfied with the ending. if they had just shown him getting killed or they let you know that he would be ok for the next 100 years, it wouldn't have been as good i don't think. i just wish they had drawn out the phil hit a little more to be something awesome like the bobby hit.

Bobby deserved a glorious end.

Phil deserved to be shot quick and unceremoniously head-crushed.

[A.Life.Age.X]

How did Patsy's son become so successful? HAd they ever told us he was a NYC lawyer, apparently straight, and getting paid loads of $$?

[Sotally Tober]

How did Patsy's son become so successful? HAd they ever told us he was a NYC lawyer, apparently straight, and getting paid loads of $$?
I believe they did reference that once before. Last season, maybe the one before that. But it does ring a bell.

Anybody else find Harris' comment about "We're gonna win" a bit odd? And who was he sleeping with? Any significance there, or just a piece of FBI tail that meant nothing to the story?

[HangerAngler]

I believe they did reference that once before. Last season, maybe the one before that. But it does ring a bell.

Anybody else find Harris' comment about "We're gonna win" a bit odd? And who was he sleeping with? Any significance there, or just a piece of FBI tail that meant nothing to the story?

The "we're gonna win" comment made me think that they had just picked up something tangible that they could use in a RICO case against Tony et al.

I think that was an FBI chick that he was sleeping with (cheating on his wife). I got that idea from the phone call he had with Tony in the car, where he was very irritated with whoever was on the other end. It sounded like a husband/wife conversation.