Insane (John) McCain [Archive]

Ronald Reagan

04-09-2007, 10:18 AM

The short version: McCain plans on staking his chances to Iraq. Basically, he's two years out and going all-in on 2&7 offsuit.

More than ever before, I really doubt this guys analytical abilities.

http://www.tpmcafe.com/blog/electioncentral/2007/apr/08/mccain_every_sensible_observer_favors_escalation

The rollout of John McCain's "new" political strategy of aggressively arguing for pressing ahead in Iraq begins today with a McCain-authored Op-ed piece in this morning's Washington Post.

.......

Never mind that many of the observers McCain surely thinks of as sensible, such as Colin Powell, the Joint Chiefs, some military commanders, and plenty of Republicans in Congress, opposed escalation completely at the outset -- and hence presumably don't think it can work, even if given a chance.

So McCain wants to stake his chances on the surge and Bush's ability to manage the Iraq war. Political genius!

_BullDog_

04-09-2007, 10:21 AM

nice title.

Ronald Reagan

04-09-2007, 10:24 AM

nice title.

Thank you, thank you very much.

Ronald Reagan

04-09-2007, 10:40 AM

Upon further thought, I think McCain is just way too easily pushed by articles. In 2000, he was told by the media he had to be for the confederate flag. He changed his position, to split the difference. So, flag lovers had to choose from A) and Sort-of A), Sort of-B). Others just saw him as switching because of the article (some didn't like his black love-child, who didn't exist like Strom's.)

Today, he makes a dumb comment about a "stroll through Iraqi cities." Then, he tries to stroll through one, looks like a fool. Then he tries the misspoke angle. No luck. Now, still way out, he's changing his position to wage his campaign on Iraq sucess?

Jeez, stop reading (like your predecessor).

Westley

04-09-2007, 10:44 AM

Then, he tries to stroll through one, looks like a fool.I wasn't aware of this - background/link?

Guest

04-09-2007, 10:47 AM

He's going for the differentiation strategy.

Uncle Darryl

04-09-2007, 10:50 AM

The short version: McCain plans on staking his chances to Iraq. Basically, he's two years out and going all-in on 2&7 offsuit.I agree, he's basically throwing a Hail Mary here. It's the bottom of the 9th, bases loaded, 2 out and he's swinging for the fences. He pulled his goalie and has the extra skater out there. He's really trying to shoot the moon here. His King is cornered and he's going on the offensive. He's only got 7 bucks in his bank account and he's supersizing his happy meal. There's 4 days til his exam and he's going out for beers with his buddies. There's no casual Friday policy but he's wearing a Hawaiian shirt anyway. He's seasoning before he tastes.

It'll be interesting to see how this works out.

Guest

04-09-2007, 10:58 AM

I wasn't aware of this - background/link?

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,21527746-601,00.html

Guest

04-09-2007, 10:59 AM

Almost forgot -

Leave Iraq Now.

SirVLCIV

04-09-2007, 11:03 AM

I wasn't aware of this - background/link?

It was on 60 minutes last night.

I normally don't watch, but I was doing my Stochastic Processes homework, and never turned the channel after the Masters ended.

Link.

04-09-2007, 11:05 AM

I wasn't aware of this - background/link?

http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/01/mccain-iraq-stroll/

Ronald Reagan

04-09-2007, 11:13 AM

Since pictures are worth a lot of words, I'll start here...
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/4/5/21330/64175

Also see:
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/01/mccain-iraq-stroll/
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/28/roberts-cnn-mccain-iraq/
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/27/ware-mccain-iraq/
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/08/mccain-60-min-misspoke/

And now for total reality disconnect...
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/09/mccain-sadr-rally/

My point is: He's taking an incredibly stupid position based on criticism that isn't even getting out of the beltway. Heck, some of you have never even heard of it, and if you guys and gals aren't junkies, ...

2pac Shakur

04-09-2007, 12:52 PM

To the one on the flam
Boy your temper just toss that ham
In the fryin' pan
Like spam
Feel done when I come in slam
Damn
I feel like the son of sam
Don't make me wreck stuff hectic
Next to the chair got me goin' like General Electric
EEEN!
The lights are blinking
I'm thinking
It's all over when I go out drinking
Oh, makin' my mind slow,
That's why I don't **** wit da big four-o
Bro', I got ta maintain
`Cause a n-word like me is goin' insane

Insane in the membrane
John McCain is insane!
Insane in the membrane
John McCain is insane!

Insane in the membrane
Plenty insane
Got no brain!
Insane in the membrane
John McCain is insane!

General Apathy

04-09-2007, 12:57 PM

Mcacin spent several years in a POW camp being tortured by Charlie.

That is relevant somehow i am sure

2pac Shakur

04-09-2007, 01:18 PM

Charlie is a racist term.
You have been reported.

General Apathy

04-09-2007, 01:24 PM

You hate McCain, don't you?

I'm voting for him

Ronald Reagan

04-09-2007, 01:28 PM

You hate McCain, don't you?

I'm voting for him

No, I used to like him (when he was talking about getting money out of politics) a lot more.

He just keeps doing things that are easy to make fun of. (==> bad campaign) How hard would've it been to say "Okay, I exaggerated a bit, but you get my point." Instead he ended up betting his campaign on bush's ability to pacify iraq. Moran.

I can't come up with any other conclusion, sorry.

SamTheEagle

04-09-2007, 01:30 PM

Could Ronald Reagan tell us which Republican he hates the most so I know who I should vote for? Thanks!

Ronald Reagan

04-09-2007, 01:31 PM

Could Ronald Reagan tell us which Republican he hates the most so I know who I should vote for? Thanks!

Out of the pres. nominees? Probably Newt or Rudy.

I don't know much about Romney (other than he changes his mind out of convenience), and McCain is at least against torture sometimes.

2pac Shakur

04-09-2007, 01:36 PM

Could Ronald Reagan tell us which Republican he hates the most so I know who I should vote for? Thanks!

Hillary.

SamTheEagle

04-09-2007, 01:40 PM

Hillary.

I already knew you were a Hillary fan.

Ronald Reagan

04-09-2007, 01:46 PM

Hillary is one of my least favored D candidates. Though, I'd prefer her over liar Romney, tyranical Rudy, delusional McCain, or the actor. I just don't see much progress with her in office, more of a constant battle over old wounds. I could be wrong.

2pac Shakur

04-09-2007, 02:05 PM

I already knew you were a Hillary fan.

I'm not a fan.
I was just tricking you into voting for her.
And I would have gotten away with it, if it weren't for those meddling kids.

SamTheEagle

04-09-2007, 02:09 PM

I'm not a fan.
I was just tricking you into voting for her.
And I would have gotten away with it, if it weren't for those meddling kids.

I knew you were trying to trick me into voting for her.
Because you're a fan.

2pac Shakur

04-09-2007, 02:18 PM

I knew you were trying to trick me into voting for her.
Because you're a fan.

I knew you knew I was trying to trick you.
Because YOU are a fan.

SamTheEagle

04-09-2007, 02:18 PM

I knew you knew I was trying to trick you.
Because YOU are a fan.

Of Hillary?

2pac Shakur

04-09-2007, 02:19 PM

Of Hillary!

IFYP

vito

04-09-2007, 03:53 PM

...or the actor.
Edwards?

notreallyme

04-09-2007, 06:23 PM

General Apathy

04-09-2007, 07:16 PM

Brad Gile

04-09-2007, 07:19 PM

http://www.tommy2008.com/Home.aspx

If you hate him, I'll send Tommy money. :D

Brad

Ronald Reagan

04-10-2007, 11:15 AM

Edwards?

Fred Thompson (sp?)

Ronald Reagan

04-10-2007, 11:16 AM

http://www.tommy2008.com/Home.aspx

If you hate him, I'll send Tommy money. :D

Brad

Love him. Is he the guy who bolted to private sector a week or so after Rx drug bill? Or, am I thinkin' of someone else?

It's so hard to keep track of all the criminals in this gov.

krank

04-10-2007, 11:57 AM

A candidate is open with his views. Yeah sounds like a real loser to me, I'd hate to have someone like that running the country. :roll:

Whether you agree with him or not, I find it odd that someone would blast a politician for not being a ...... politician.

yeah the dumb photo op in Bagdad was not in any way like a politician. People are souring on him because they realize that he doesn’t have a grasp on reality as far as Iraq is concerned.

Amphiblitz

04-10-2007, 11:59 AM

nice title.

I agree. When do we get to see one for Obama and Clinton? Don't let all this talent be wasted on just one side of the isle....;-)

Amphiblitz

08-30-2007, 02:39 PM

:bump: (I didn't want to start a new thread for this.)

A few months ago, Romney traded places with McCain on Yahoo's Election Coverage page (http://news.yahoo.com/fc/US/2008_Presidential_Election;_ylt=Aj3s.9UDGyfmU3hW_9 qM39pxy14A) with McCain being relegated to the third spot. Now, I just noticed that McCain has been replaced by Fred Thompson and is no longer being shown as one of the top three.

Will McCain recover from this, or is he done for?

Ronald Reagan

08-30-2007, 02:53 PM

McCain was done well before Yahoo put Mr. Thompson's picture up there.

He was pro-immigration in an anti-immigration party. And, he went out of his way to steal credit for the whole fiasco! A R senator jabbed at him for turning up to take credit, while he should've been miles away.

The whole time I was thinking "What is he doing?" Does he know something I don't? The answer is a resounding "No."

I used to think his "rouge" campaign in 2000 indicated a very sharp political mind, but have since decided against it. People probably just liked the populist 'money in politics' and his personality.

SamTheEagle

08-30-2007, 02:56 PM

He was pro-immigration in an anti-immigration party. And, he went out of his way to steal credit for the whole fiasco! A R senator jabbed at him for turning up to take credit, while he should've been miles away.

The whole time I was thinking "What is he doing?" Does he know something I don't? The answer is a resounding "No."

I used to think his "rouge" campaign in 2000 indicated a very sharp political mind, but have since decided against it. People probably just liked the populist 'money in politics' and his personality.

Republicans were telling you that McCain is a dope way back in 1999. It's not our fault it took you until 2007 to figure it out.

Amphiblitz

08-30-2007, 02:56 PM

McCain was done well before Yahoo put Mr. Thompson's picture up there.

So will he bow out? If so, any predictions on when?

Ronald Reagan

08-30-2007, 02:58 PM

Republicans were telling you that McCain is a dope way back in 1999. It's not our fault it took you until 2007 to figure it out.

I figured he deserved a little credit for winning NH against the party's wishes.

SamTheEagle

08-30-2007, 04:53 PM

Pat Buchanan gave Bush I a run in New Hampshire in 1992. Just sayin'.

Didn't Pat win New Hampshire in '96, too?

Harry

08-30-2007, 05:28 PM

Didn't Pat win New Hampshire in '96, too?
Republicans like guys like him.

Harry

08-30-2007, 05:36 PM

Yeah. That's right on point.
I know.

Amphiblitz

01-09-2008, 04:33 PM

Remember, We're Choosing a President (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/01/what_does_it_mean.html)

[...]With all the media attention to the various political rivalries in both parties, it is easy to lose sight of the fact that all of this is ultimately about choosing a President of the United States.

The question of what kind of President each candidate would make is infinitely more important than all the "horse race" handicapping that dominates the media.

[...]

Temperament is far more important for a President than for a candidate. A President has to be on an even keel 24/7, for four long years, despite crises that can break out anywhere in the world at any time.

John McCain trails the pack in the temperament department, with his volatile, arrogant, and abrasive know-it-all attitude. His track record in the Senate is full of the betrayals of Republican supporters that have been the party's biggest failing over the years and its Achilles heel politically.

[...]

McCain's betrayals include not only the amnesty bill but also the McCain-Feingold bill that violated the First Amendment for the illusion of "taking money out of politics." His back-door deal with Democrats on judicial nominations also pulled the rug out from under his party leaders in the Senate.

The White House is not the place for a loose cannon.

Is McCain a loose cannon? Would he make a good President? Your thoughts...

tenthring

01-09-2008, 04:35 PM

100 years

Ronald Reagan

01-10-2008, 08:54 AM

Remember, We're Choosing a President (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/01/what_does_it_mean.html)

Is McCain a loose cannon? Would he make a good President? Your thoughts...

Is he still living? Really, isn't he like 150 yrs old?

McCain will go down because he doesn't satisfy all the special interests that compose the R party. It's hard to find anyone that does satisfy all the jackals anymore, but Mac certainly doesn't do the job.

Good luck winning the nomination with indep voters. He has teh same problem as last time.

Houdini

01-10-2008, 09:17 AM

Remember, We're Choosing a President (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/01/what_does_it_mean.html)

Is McCain a loose cannon? Would he make a good President? Your thoughts...
If "betrayals" means he doesn't always vote on party lines, then yes, he "betrays" the party more than most other Republicans. A lot of centrist folk think this is a great thing.

Based solely on his positions, I like McCain. Gotta say he's pretty old for my tastes, but I definitely don't think he's a loose cannon.

Amphiblitz

02-02-2008, 02:47 AM

McCain's answer to Ron Paul's economy question at a recent debate:

Humorous remix of the encounter which likens McCain to the South Carolina Miss Teen USA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tu-tg1kQ8dk)

Enjoy!

Rickson

02-02-2008, 08:16 AM

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article19263.htm

This video sums it up for me...WAR, More War, lots of war, war, war, war!

SirVLCIV

02-02-2008, 09:16 AM

Anyone that the far right and far left agree is bad is a great choice, IMO ;-)

Rickson doesn't like him, RR doesn't like him, Bush supporters don't like him.

Awesome!

SirVLCIV

02-02-2008, 09:16 AM

If "betrayals" means he doesn't always vote on party lines, then yes, he "betrays" the party more than most other Republicans. A lot of centrist folk think this is a great thing.

Based solely on his positions, I like McCain. Gotta say he's pretty old for my tastes, but I definitely don't think he's a loose cannon.

:tup:

Heywood J

02-02-2008, 02:30 PM

Anyone that the far right and far left agree is bad is a great choice, IMO ;-)

Rickson doesn't like him, RR doesn't like him, Bush supporters don't like him.

Awesome!
That's a very dangerous standard to use to evaluate candidates.

Kilroy

02-02-2008, 03:30 PM

This is not the picture of a conservative. He needs to stop touting himself as such, nobody's buying it.

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj33/kilroyontheao/mccainmug.jpg

Westley

02-02-2008, 04:45 PM

This is not the picture of a conservative. He needs to stop touting himself as such, nobody's buying it.

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj33/kilroyontheao/mccainmug.jpg
I wonder what name you will post under when you have "John McCain for President" in your sig line.

Kilroy

02-02-2008, 04:48 PM

I wonder what name you will post under when you have "John McCain for President" in your sig line.

Sorry to disappoint you or ruin any of your fantasies, I will not be actively campaigning and/or endorsing McVain in any way should he become the GOP nominee, That includes any sig line props.

:toth:

Amphiblitz

02-02-2008, 04:55 PM

Anyone that the far right and far left agree is bad is a great choice, IMO ;-)

Rickson doesn't like him, RR doesn't like him, Bush supporters don't like him.

Awesome!

That's how I used to feel about him in 2000. Now he's just a scary, grumpy old man. I don't want to be there when he grinds his axe, especially if his (in)famous temper flares up at the same time.

Sorry, that's just been my developing opinion of him over the past few years and especially in this campaign. He's not cut out to be the President of the United States...but then again...that's probably exactly why he could very well be the nominee and possibly even the president.

The good thing that would come out of a McCain nomination is that (barring Hillary on the dem side) I would vote for my first democrat for president. I have voted republican and third party, and I have voted democrat for other local and national offices. This would be the first time for POTUS, though.

Double High C

02-02-2008, 06:35 PM

The good thing that would come out of a McCain nomination is that (barring Hillary on the dem side) I would vote for my first democrat for president. I have voted republican and third party, and I have voted democrat for other local and national offices. This would be the first time for POTUS, though.

It's not going to happen (unless you drop your condition). Hillary's going to be the dem nominee (and McCain's going to be the nominee of the gee-oh-pee).

Yes, I did say that McCain was done about a year ago. (That was right after he sang "Bomb Iran".) I was wrong (and haven't yet smashed the egg on my face).

Runge Kutta

02-02-2008, 06:39 PM

It's not going to happen (unless you drop your condition). Hillary's going to be the dem nominee (and McCain's going to be the nominee of the gee-oh-pee).

Yes, I did say that McCain was done about a year ago. (That was right after he sang "Bomb Iran".) I was wrong (and haven't yet smashed the egg on my face).

:shake2:

Obama will be the Democratic nominee.

Billary Clinton

02-02-2008, 06:44 PM

I wonder what name you will post under when you have "John McCain for President" in your sig line.What are you hinting at?

Double High C

02-02-2008, 06:46 PM

:shake2:

Obama will be the Democratic nominee.

No he won't. (Double-or-nothing with the James Carville-style egg-smashing on my face.)

Runge Kutta

02-02-2008, 07:45 PM

No he won't. (Double-or-nothing with the James Carville-style egg-smashing on my face.)

Um, yes he will.

:fof2:

Double High C

02-02-2008, 07:54 PM

Um, yes he will.

:fof2:

Will you smash an egg on your face when Obamer loses? Or, since you are so sure, will you eat pird boop?

Kilroy

02-02-2008, 10:11 PM

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj33/kilroyontheao/chemaverick.jpg

Amphiblitz

02-03-2008, 02:22 AM

It's not going to happen (unless you drop your condition). Hillary's going to be the dem nominee (and McCain's going to be the nominee of the gee-oh-pee).
I guess I'll start shopping for a third-party candidate, in that case. The only way I'd vote for McCain would be the HIGHLY improbable event that Romney was his running mate. (I know...I know...it's absolutely NOT going to happen...but there is a slim chance that McCain could start showing signs of alzheimer's and forget that he hates Mitt :grin: , right? ).

Amphiblitz

02-03-2008, 02:23 AM

:shake2:

Obama will be the Democratic nominee.

Let's hope!

E. Blackadder

02-03-2008, 10:32 AM

Ann Coulter in a good mood (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erMa0F_DCJE). Or maybe not.

SirVLCIV

02-03-2008, 12:07 PM

That's how I used to feel about him in 2000. Now he's just a scary, grumpy old man. I don't want to be there when he grinds his axe, especially if his (in)famous temper flares up at the same time.

Sorry, that's just been my developing opinion of him over the past few years and especially in this campaign. He's not cut out to be the President of the United States...but then again...that's probably exactly why he could very well be the nominee and possibly even the president.

The good thing that would come out of a McCain nomination is that (barring Hillary on the dem side) I would vote for my first democrat for president. I have voted republican and third party, and I have voted democrat for other local and national offices. This would be the first time for POTUS, though.

There's one thing I don't get, with responses like this.

Congress is controlled by the Democrats. This is not 2000, when Bush was elected, and could ruin the country in any way he wanted. McCain will run into resistance.

Romney has no shot in the general election. McCain has actually done well in (some) head to head polls with Obama and Clinton. I like Obama probably a little more than I do McCain, but I'm scared to death of four years of Democrat controlled President AND Congress.

The President and Congress should not agree on too much, or bad things end up happening. Gridlock is ideal.

Amphiblitz

02-03-2008, 12:36 PM

There's one thing I don't get, with responses like this.

Congress is controlled by the Democrats. This is not 2000, when Bush was elected, and could ruin the country in any way he wanted. McCain will run into resistance.

Romney has no shot in the general election. McCain has actually done well in (some) head to head polls with Obama and Clinton. I like Obama probably a little more than I do McCain, but I'm scared to death of four years of Democrat controlled President AND Congress.

The President and Congress should not agree on too much, or bad things end up happening. Gridlock is ideal.

I understand and agree to some degree with most of your post. However, I disagree with the part about Romney's chances in a general election. At this point in the game, head-to-head polls for the general election are almost entirely about name-recognition.

Romney's chances for the republican nomination were next to zero when he first launched his campaign. Polls showed the big names, Giuliani and McCain, way ahead. Mitt had to work very hard (and still is) to battle that kind of celebrity status. In the face of that, he has run a very strong campaign and has outperformed many expectations for a relatively unknown guy.

Of course, your opinion may not be soley based on current head-to-head polls. In any case, I respect your opinion. But my bet is, if Romney is somehow able to pull out the nomination, he will fare much better in the general election than the polls predict today.