ASOP #6

[t]

The #15 in the Learning Objectives states:
Describe principles outlined in ASOP #6

Anyone have any idea on this?

Also, it appears on that on May 7th the SOA updated the readings to include "Under Learning Objective #15, the references for the text Fundamentals of Retiree Group Benefits should be Ch. 7,8,9 and Appendix F.–updated 05.07.07 " Has anyone read this and have any clue what it is asking about?

[James Madison]

Your post looks serious (i.e. not a joke), but your reference to “Yamamoto Appendix F.–updated 05.07.07” as being a new updated reading looks suspicious. I can’t find it on the SOA website.


http://www.soa.org/education/course-catalog/spring-exam-session/2007/edu-updates.aspx


If the SOA changed the required readings 4 days before an exam, well, this is a new low.

[t]

Scroll down to the Group and Health section and you will see it.

[James Madison]

Wow, you’re right!!!!!

[NerdyEve]

I can't believe they would add material 4 days prior to the exam!!! this is ridiculous

[hockey_puck]

The quesiton is do you study it, or not. There is no way if they do ask this on the exam it should be kept as a valid question.

[NerdyEve]

Well the material on ASOP 6 is very similar to the rest of the readings in that book. So you could argue that you don't need to study it today. However, if they added it to the exam syllabus, it's probably because it's tested and they don't want to have to cancel the question...

[saahu5]

My plan is to read the material today and should it appear on the exam, I will write what I can and put a note stating that 4 days was not enough time to learn the material (plus I will write to the SOA.)

[MysteriousWays]

This is ridiculous! But I agree, if they made it a point to add it this late, it'll probably show up on the exam in some shape or form.

[ajstudies]

Oh my gosh, please tell me this is a really bad joke... :yikes:

I mean, they can't seriously test that without notifying ALL of the candidates in some way. Just posting on the website is NOT notifying the candidates.

ETA: Just paged through my book. I am NOT going to spend my time reading this tonight. If there is a question over this material I will complain loudly. (Well, as loudly as I can complain in writing.)

[Math333]

How many pages is this nightmare of a thing they just added? Can someone email a PDF version (or fax it to me)? PM me if you can - thanks!

[campbell]

Holey moley. That is uncredible, to quote Ralph Wiggum.

[Math333]

Not 1, not 2, not 3, but 4 chapters were mistakenly put on the syllabus back in October; then they were later removed after students wasted their time on it. An additional mailing was sent to all students back in February since they "forgot" to include it before. Then less than 96 hours before a major test, they just update a link without directly notifying all students? Incompetence in the extreme.

[saahu5]

Appendix F is just ASOP #6:
http://www.actuarialstandardsboard.org/pdf/asops/asop006_084.pdf

In the textbook it spans about 70 pages.

[R2T]

God grant me the serenity......

[_BullDog_]

Incompetence in the extreme.


That's their new mission statement, didn't you know?

[hardlife]

i don't think SOA would be fair by throwing out the question entirely either. It would be unfair to those who read these 4 chapters and did well on the question. Maybe giving this question a weight of 50% out of the exact score?? or bonus points on those who get this right? No idea on how SOA is going to handle this.

[ajstudies]

i don't think SOA would be fair by throwing out the question entirely either. It would be unfair to those who read these 4 chapters and did well on the question. Maybe giving this question a weight of 50% out of the exact score?? or bonus points on those who get this right? No idea on how SOA is going to handle this.


Well, what I think would be fair is to ensure that the grading outline is taken from the readings OTHER than the ASOP itself. The grading outline should not include points that are found ONLY in the ASOP.

[Farmer Mac]

That was really sneaky and irresponsible of them to add the reading on the week of the exam, and then to not even inform candidates by e-mail.

[campbell]

Have any of you emailed ombudsperson@soa.org about the question? I recommend doing so. Perhaps nothing will come of it, but it won't hurt, and you have only a 2-week window in which to lodge complaints about particular exam questions.

[ajstudies]

Have any of you emailed ombudsperson@soa.org about the question? I recommend doing so. Perhaps nothing will come of it, but it won't hurt, and you have only a 2-week window in which to lodge complaints about particular exam questions.

I just sent my e-mail. Thanks for posting the address so that I didn't have to look it up.

[Teddybear99]

i don't think SOA would be fair by throwing out the question entirely either. It would be unfair to those who read these 4 chapters and did well on the question. Maybe giving this question a weight of 50% out of the exact score?? or bonus points on those who get this right? No idea on how SOA is going to handle this.

I agree

I actually answered the question fairly well since I spent an hour skimming through ASOP #6 the day before the exam

I'd be pretty upset if it was thrown out completely since I spend 12 minutes answering this question when I could have spend those 12 minutes improving other responses, not to mention time wasted reading the ASOP the day before the exam.

[R2T]

It's still not fair to those that didn't know it was going to be on the exam. That's the biggest slight. You can't test people over stuff you didn't tell them to know. That's all it boils down to imo.