10/5 deadline Haunt Qualifying

[PSU2002]

Week 5 (10/5 haunt deadline) :boo: requirements

To be eligible to haunt in week 5 the ghosts must accumulate 45 points. After the haunt there will be 15 students remaining.

You receive 4 points for each student that you sandwich :boo: immediately after a "Vote post".

You receive 3 points for each student that you sandwich :boo: otherwise.

You receive 2 points for each student that you traditionally :boo: immediately after a "Vote post".

You receive 1 point for each student that you :boo: traditionally otherwise.

You receive -1 points for each student that you :boo: in any way where any portion of the :boo: (the student's post or the sandwich post) is of a "collect me" nature.

A "Vote post" is a post where a player casts a bolded vote for another student.

A "collect me" post is any post that a student makes where he mentions collection.

There will only be 3 sandwich students this round, but you may choose them by indicating that in this thread at any time. The first three students chosen by any ghost (in the form Sandwich student: Player XXX) will be your sandwich students.

Unless it is declared in this thread (in the form Sandwich student XXX is eligible for traditional collection) I will not count any :boo:s made after their posts as an attempt to collect them. They may be collected in sandwiches where a different sandwich student is the "meat".

Each student may only have one point value associated with him for this round. Once you get a "3 pointer" his points don't reduce if you :boo: him in a different way.

If all currently living students in EC1 are :boo:ed in any way you receive an additional 3 points. If all currently living students in EC2 are :boo:ed in any way you receive an additional 3 points.

These requirements go into effect after the status of the student that you haunt is known, you formally pass, or your deadline passes. Once the students complete their second lynching of the week or decide to pass the :boo: period ends and I will announce whether or not you are eligible.

Let me know if you have any questions.

There could be some opportunity for some info here with the all of the EC being booed worth 6 extra points. Do we want to risk not having a haunt this late in the game to identify more innocents? Figure that there are currently 16(after the EC execution) students left. Our haunt makes 15. By the time we haunt again we will be down to 11. If we miss a haunt they will down to 7 by the following haunt. It is possible for the game to be over by then. We would need to leave one or two students unbooed and hit a point target exactly 6 less than the requirement if we want to go for the information. I haven't worked out exactly what that would mean at this point. Although the guidline is tough this round with a 45 point total and only 15 students to do it we would have to hit all 15 for at least 3 points to guarantee a haunt(i'm sure we could do some for 2 points as long as we got everyone and get the bonus)

Also note that collecting after a vote is huge. Probably have 2 opportunities a week...

The issue of proxies is going to make it hard to get everyone.

At this point, after rambling it through, I say it is going to be hard enough to get the 45 points let alone do a strategy.

[PSU2002]

Of course if we think it is unlikely that we will hit the haunt target anyway, we should probably try to get the info since there would be no loss if we failed.

[CindyLou Who]

I know we shouldn't pick them yet since the person executed is yet unknown, but any thoughts on who would be the best choices for sandwich posters?

I'm thinking Shakespeare and Mel would be good choices for starters.

[PSU2002]

I know we shouldn't pick them yet since the person executed is yet unknown, but any thoughts on who would be the best choices for sandwich posters?

I'm thinking Shakespeare and Mel would be good choices for starters.

I agree with these two. After that :shrug:

sir or kiwi maybe?

[PSU2002]

I think the best bet for now is to go for a high point total. Once we can see how we are doing maybe we can stop and see if we can work in strategy. We will need lots of 3s and 4s either way.

[Kid Notorious]

Pirate Kitty's posting has picked up now that people know he's 4sigma. I think there are others that are more active right now than kiwi or sir.

[PSU2002]

but based on our voting PK is going to be dead before we start qualifying.

[Kid Notorious]

Oh. huh. I guess I should go check the voting thread.

[notmyfriends]

someone want to give me some cliffs notes on this and just tell me what to do and when?

TIA,
NMF

[OldTymer]

I think the best bet for now is to go for a high point total. Once we can see how we are doing maybe we can stop and see if we can work in strategy. We will need lots of 3s and 4s either way.

Pirate Kitty's posting has picked up now that people know he's 4sigma. I think there are others that are more active right now than kiwi or sir.

someone want to give me some cliffs notes on this and just tell me what to do and when?

TIA,
NMF


:lol: I totally understand...it took me a little while to get the hang of it, too, but then it becomes easier. Before we can do anything, we need to decide who our sandwich posters will be. We've kind of picked two, but no real consensus yet.

[notmyfriends]

mmm.... sandwich posters...

[PSU2002]

I think shakespeare, Mel, and PK since we are letting him live.

[OldTymer]

I think shakespeare, Mel, and PK since we are letting him live.

I agree, but what about this.....we DON'T haunt PK (and maybe one other) in an effort to see if he's innocent or not, or at least have a good idea (like the nmf and macroman thing)? It will make meeting the points a little more difficult since he posts so much, but it was just an idea.

[notmyfriends]

I agree, but what about this.....we DON'T haunt PK (and maybe one other) in an effort to see if he's innocent or not, or at least have a good idea (like the nmf and macroman thing)? It will make meeting the points a little more difficult since he posts so much, but it was just an idea.

we could use it to find out about someone we suspect that posts less, like dlw or dino.

[PSU2002]

I agree, but what about this.....we DON'T haunt PK (and maybe one other) in an effort to see if he's innocent or not, or at least have a good idea (like the nmf and macroman thing)? It will make meeting the points a little more difficult since he posts so much, but it was just an idea.

We could still use him as a sandwhich poster and do what you are saying. We name our sandwhiches this round and can collect them in other sandwhiches but not traditionally. So as long as we never collect him in a sandwhich and only ever use him as the "meat" we would be ok. I REALLY like this idea.

[CindyLou Who]

We could still use him as a sandwhich poster and do what you are saying. We name our sandwhiches this round and can collect them in other sandwhiches but not traditionally. So as long as we never collect him in a sandwhich and only ever use him as the "meat" we would be ok. I REALLY like this idea.

Don't you mean use him as the bread? Or do I have it backwards again? :lol: I gotta go back and read the sandwich rules again. Don't want to screw it up!

[PSU2002]

ummm, i don't think so. someone posts, sandwich posts, we boo. original poster is captured right?

so if we use him as bread then he is captured.

[PSU2002]

i KNOW that is right, because my concern with it was that we would be booing the same player over and over casting suspiscion on him.

[notmyfriends]

It occurs to me that Abstract has way too much time on his hands. ;)

[CindyLou Who]

ummm, i don't think so. someone posts, sandwich posts, we boo. original poster is captured right?

so if we use him as bread then he is captured.

that's what I thought, too, but you said we would use him as a sandwich poster, which means bread. Which one gets us the bonus points again? bread or meat?

[CindyLou Who]

It occurs to me that Abstract has way too much time on his hands. ;)

...or his mind is just completely and evilly twisted. I'm going with that one.

[notmyfriends]

...or his mind is just completely and evilly twisted. I'm going with that one.

can't it.... can't it be both?

[PSU2002]

ok. we use pk as a sandwich poster. That means he is used as meat. anyone who posts before him is captured if we boo after PK.

So as long as we always use PK as meat and never as bread then he will go uncaptured because he is uneligible for a regular capture.

[CindyLou Who]

ok. we use pk as a sandwich poster. That means he is used as meat. anyone who posts before him is captured if we boo after PK.

So as long as we always use PK as meat and never as bread then he will go uncaptured because he is uneligible for a regular capture.

Dang it, you're right. I WAS confused. Meat it is. We can start doing this as soon as AA announces that Will is haunted, right?

[PSU2002]

well, once his status is known. so after his death scene or post 3 is updated I think. I'll check the rules again.

[PSU2002]

Ya after status is known. not right after the haunt.

[CindyLou Who]

can't it.... can't it be both?

Well, sure! Why not!

[CindyLou Who]

So everyone, are we cool with Shakespeare, Pirate Kitty and Mel-o-rama as our sandwich students? If we are, I'll be happy to post the required Sandwich Student: Player XXX so that we can start booing as soon as Post 3 is updated.

[Werewolf]

I'm fine with those three suggestions.

[notreallyme]

To me it's not that big of a deal, just make sure to get 3 active posters. (If we don't get the perfect 3 :shrug: )

So who is it? PK, Mel, and Shake?

[CindyLou Who]

To me it's not that big of a deal, just make sure to get 3 active posters. (If we don't get the perfect 3 :shrug: )

So who is it? PK, Mel, and Shake?

Yep.

[CindyLou Who]

We are missing a lot of booing opportunities this morning, so at the risk of having notreallyme's (or anyone else's) wrath come down upon me, I am posting the sandwich ghosts the few of us have agreed to so far.

Sandwich Student: Shakespeare
Sandwich Student: Mel-O-Rama
Sandwich Student: Pirate Kitty

anyone wants to complain, please feel free and I will apologize in advance right now.

[notreallyme]

We are missing a lot of booing opportunities this morning, so at the risk of having notreallyme's (or anyone else's) wrath come down upon me, I am posting the sandwich ghosts the few of us have agreed to so far.

Sandwich Student: Shakespeare
Sandwich Student: Mel-O-Rama
Sandwich Student: Pirate Kitty

anyone wants to complain, please feel free and I will apologize in advance right now.

You really don't get it do you?

Picking sandwich voters -- Not a big deal

Posting TF as an 8 without discussion -- A big deal
Haunting people based on the discussion (or votes) of 3 or 4 people -- A big deal

Why are you so hostile towards me just because I think the power should be spread around?

[CindyLou Who]

You really don't get it do you?

:lol:

[notreallyme]

:lol:

Cute - glad we could be on the same team.

Sorry I mentioned that I wanted to discuss something without your approval.

[notreallyme]

PK :boo: collected.

[CindyLou Who]

PK :boo: collected.

You needed to read the haunt qualifying rules for this round. We only needed to declare the sandwich students in this thread; we didn't have to traditionally collect them first. PSU2002 and I discussed the possibility of not traditionally haunting PK and trying to only sandwich him so that we can test if he comes up innocent when the EC bonus points are added in, if any. We can't do that now.

We have one point now.

[CindyLou Who]

AA, in case I'm totally off my rocker, please confirm that I'm correct about not need to traditionally collect the sandwich students in the game thread. I would hate to screw up our haunting opportunity.

[notreallyme]

You needed to read the haunt qualifying rules for this round. We only needed to declare the sandwich students in this thread; we didn't have to traditionally collect them first. PSU2002 and I discussed the possibility of not traditionally haunting PK and trying to only sandwich him so that we can test if he comes up innocent when the EC bonus points are added in, if any. We can't do that now.

We have one point now.

:oops: I take full blame for that one. Sorry. :duh:

What does this mean? Unless it is declared in this thread (in the form Sandwich student XXX is eligible for traditional collection) I will not count any :boo: s made after their posts as an attempt to collect them. They may be collected in sandwiches where a different sandwich student is the "meat".

Doesn't this mean I did not collect PK?

-- PS which one is the "meat"?

[Tobias Funke]

I really like the idea of not using PK's meat. Whatever THAT means!

[Selfish Bob]

Really? That really just happened?

[CindyLou Who]

:oops: I take full blame for that one. Sorry. :duh:

Wait I may have found a loophole?
What does this mean?

No biggie. We hadn't really discussed with everyone yet, so no one could really have known. It was just a thought. Maybe we can do it with Shakespeare and someone else.

What loophole? What does what mean?

[Selfish Bob]

There are only 15 students, and we need 45 points. That means on average, we need to collect 3 points per student. We have one student, and one point. This means we're going to definitely need to get a few students worth 4 points.

[CindyLou Who]

:oops: I take full blame for that one. Sorry. :duh:

What does this mean?

Doesn't this mean I did not collect PK?

-- PS which one is the "meat"?

I don't know. I think it depends on if your boo was timestamped before my post declaring PK a sandwich student. Maybe AA will show up and confirm for us if you're right.

[notreallyme]

No biggie. We hadn't really discussed with everyone yet, so no one could really have known. It was just a thought. Maybe we can do it with Shakespeare and someone else.

What loophole? What does what mean?

Looking at the rules it says any :boo: after a sandwich player (i.e. PK) will not be considered a collection unless you say it here - which we didn't

I should have read more carefully but I think the error will end up not mattering.

[notreallyme]

I don't know. I think it depends on if your boo was timestamped before my post declaring PK a sandwich student. Maybe AA will show up and confirm for us if you're right.

It was definetely after.

-- Your post was 11:48 mine was 11:52.

[CindyLou Who]

There are only 15 students, and we need 45 points. That means on average, we need to collect 3 points per student. We have one student, and one point. This means we're going to definitely need to get a few students worth 4 points.


Yes, unless we can get the bonus points, which is incentive to not collect innocents, if we do it at all. It's a tricky thing, so the plan PSU2002 and I discussed may not be overly practical, which is why we needed to hash it out with the group before truly deciding to do it. Some of the students are going to be hard to get like hotdime and Leela for example.

[CindyLou Who]

So, what do you think? Should we only shoot for 4 pointers at first and get as many of those as we can?

[notreallyme]

Yes, unless we can get the bonus points, which is incentive to not collect innocents, if we do it at all. It's a tricky thing, so the plan PSU2002 and I discussed may not be overly practical, which is why we needed to hash it out with the group before truly deciding to do it. Some of the students are going to be hard to get like hotdime and Leela for example.

I think start with that plan and if it looks like points may become an issue end it. :shrug:

A plan giving some info has to be better than one giving none right?

* Unless you think there is a chance we won't get enough points unless we go for as many as possible right now.

Do you agree PK has not been collected? (Or are we waiting for a ruling?)

[notreallyme]

Keep an eye on things HotDime just posted. So what do we do now :duh:

[CindyLou Who]

I think start with that plan and if it looks like points may become an issue end it. :shrug:

A plan giving some info has to be better than one giving none right?

* Unless you think there is a chance we won't get enough points unless we go for as many as possible right now.

Do you agree PK has not been collected? (Or are we waiting for a ruling?)

I have no idea what to think on the PK thing. You may have found a loophole, but I'm not sure.

So, I'm going to try and get 4 point boos if I can, but if possible, I'm going to hit hotdime (anyone else should try, too, in case I miss) for three since she's so hard to get sometimes.

[CindyLou Who]

Hope I didn't screw anything up with your loophole, nrm, but I just collected hotdime for 3.

[notreallyme]

Hope I didn't screw anything up with your loophole, nrm, but I just collected hotdime for 3.

To me it looks like we can :boo: after sandwich posters and not collect them.

It seems the only difference is instead of having to collect those players with a :boo: they are already collected (and worth zero points).

IF you want to get points for them you have to declare that in this thread using the bold as described in the rules.

That's how I read it :shrug:

[notreallyme]

So are we now waiting until they start voting so we can go for some 4's?

[notreallyme]

OK having this in front of me will help:

So there are 6 EC left. -- They are worth 3 extra each.
And 9 students

So the total points possible is 4 * 15 + 6 = 62
Everytime we don't get 4 from someone that comes off the total: So after 3 for Hot Dime we are at 61.

We qualify at 45.

Linus
dlwktb
harvma
Pirate Kitty
Leela
Skizzmata
Macroman
All Clear
MrsFrog
Shakespeare
Mel-o-rama
SOAPhobic
hotdime -- Collected (3)
kiwi
SirVLCIV

[CindyLou Who]

To me it looks like we can :boo: after sandwich posters and not collect them.

It seems the only difference is instead of having to collect those players with a :boo: they are already collected (and worth zero points).

IF you want to get points for them you have to declare that in this thread using the bold as described in the rules.

That's how I read it :shrug:

Um, nrm, please check post 32 of this thread. I already did that and you even quoted my post right after, so PK has been declared in this thread already that he is a sandwich student.

[Abstract Actuary]

Sandwich students will not be considered traditionally collected unless you tell me that you intend to traditionally collect them by doing so in bold in this thread or the "Welcome to the Ghost Forum" thread. (The sandwich picks were supposed to be in that thread too, but this is fine)/.

Sandwich students may be collected with sandwich :boo:s by using another sandwich student as the meat. No notification is necessary.

[CindyLou Who]

Sandwich students will not be considered traditionally collected unless you tell me that you intend to traditionally collect them by doing so in bold in this thread or the "Welcome to the Ghost Forum" thread. (The sandwich picks were supposed to be in that thread too, but this is fine)/.

Sandwich students may be collected with sandwich :boo:s by using another sandwich student as the meat. No notification is necessary.

Okay, I did that earlier in this thread.

another question on the 4 points. Immediately after a Vote by the student being collected or the sandwich student (which severely limits our ability to get 4 points to only 3 students)

[notreallyme]

Um, nrm, please check post 32 of this thread. I already did that and you even quoted my post right after, so PK has been declared in this thread already that he is a sandwich student.

Right. That's why I think my :boo: after him meant nothing.

[CindyLou Who]

Should I sandwich kiwi now for 3 or hold off for 4? Am I being too much in a hurry to get points? Whooooaaa, Cindy....slow down!!!

[Abstract Actuary]

Immediately after a vote by the student being collected. That sandwich students post is immaterial (unless it directs you to collect the student or itself).

[CindyLou Who]

Immediately after a vote by the student being collected. That sandwich students post is immaterial (unless it directs you to collect the student or itself).

Okay, gotcha.

So did nrm's boo of PK count as a traditional boo or not? He thinks not, and honestly, I don't have a clue whether it does or not. It seems from your post that since we didn't state that we were intending to traditionally boo PK, that nrm is right (I hope)

[Abstract Actuary]

Not.

[notreallyme]

Should I sandwich kiwi now for 3 or hold off for 4? Am I being too much in a hurry to get points? Whooooaaa, Cindy....slow down!!!

It seems to me the ideal is to have a EC at the end.

If we get to 14 collected for 41 traditional points (plus we will have at least 3 bonus points) for 44 then we will know if we need the last person.

Meaning we need an average of about 3 per poster. (1 less in the aggregate).

Then we KNOW if the 15th person is EC or a Student.

so the first question is can we get all 15? I think even if we have to collect a very hard to get one for one point it is worth it. (I can't figure out the optimal information with 2 players not collected :duh: )

So then all that remains is figuring out who not to collect. (And I think we should have a few in mind possibly so it will be easier ?)

[CindyLou Who]

Not.

Yay! Okay, that means we have three points with my sandwich collection of hotdime.

I'll be good and hold off a bit on the three point collections unless I can get someone like Leela who rarely posts.

[notreallyme]

Yay! Okay, that means we have three points with my sandwich collection of hotdime.

I'll be good and hold off a bit on the three point collections unless I can get someone like Leela who rarely posts.


I think I am talking about the same thing you and PSU were in my post 2 up.

Maybe we could go through the list and decide what we think we can get for each? (Getting the "votes" will be key and fast paced) -- Wish we could send a code telling players to Vote and Unvote often :)

-- This may be a good time to test one of the 'quiet' players? (One less hard person to get to worry about.) Though I think we can decide that later? Perhaps if we get close to the deadline and we don't have leela for 3 we just leave her?

[notreallyme]

THE TALLY

There are 6 EC left and 9 students

So the total points possible is 4 * 15 + 6 (3 each for collecting a 'team' of EC) = 62
Everytime we don't get 4 from someone that comes off the total: So after 3 for Hot Dime we are at 61.

We qualify at 45.

Linus
dlwktb
harvma
Pirate Kitty
Leela
Skizzmata
Macroman
All Clear
MrsFrog
Shakespeare
Mel-o-rama
SOAPhobic
hotdime -- Collected (3)
kiwi
SirVLCIV

Points collected: 3 (Does not consider bonuses)
Total Points possible: 61

[CindyLou Who]

I think I am talking about the same thing you and PSU were in my post 2 up.

Maybe we could go through the list and decide what we think we can get for each? (Getting the "votes" will be key and fast paced) -- Wish we could send a code telling players to Vote and Unvote often :)

-- This may be a good time to test one of the 'quiet' players? (One less hard person to get to worry about.) Though I think we can decide that later? Perhaps if we get close to the deadline and we don't have leela for 3 we just leave her?

Okay. good idea. do you have time to start it off? I'm on a conf call, so I can't right now, but I can help when I'm done.

good idea on the quiet poster. Let's come up with a list of posters like Leela that would be good. we need to consider also the possibility in our point targets of not getting the EC bonus points if we don't boo an ec member.

[CindyLou Who]

I thought there were 4 ec left. :-?

[Selfish Bob]

THE TALLY

There are 6 EC left and 9 students

So the total points possible is 4 * 15 + 6 (3 each for collecting a 'team' of EC) = 62
Everytime we don't get 4 from someone that comes off the total: So after 3 for Hot Dime we are at 61.

We qualify at 45.

Linus
dlwktb
harvma
Pirate Kitty
Leela
Skizzmata
Macroman
All Clear
MrsFrog
Shakespeare
Mel-o-rama
SOAPhobic
hotdime -- Collected (3)
kiwi
SirVLCIV

Points collected: 3 (Does not consider bonuses)
Total Points possible: 61

So we've decided that Shakespeare, Mel-o-rama, and Pirate Kitty are our sandwich posters, correct? If so, could we include this notation in our booing summary so if I forget again, I can see it there? thx.

[notreallyme]

I thought there were 4 ec left. :-?

Oh yeah 6 dead. I like to only think about the dead ones :burn:

[notreallyme]

RE: Bob's post --

THE TALLY

There are 4 EC left and 11 students

Sandwich posters in blue

So the total points possible is 4 * 15 + 6 (3 each for collecting a 'team' of EC) = 62
Everytime we don't get 4 from someone that comes off the total: So after 3 for Hot Dime we are at 61.

We qualify at 45.

Linus
dlwktb
harvma
Pirate Kitty
Leela
Skizzmata
Macroman
All Clear
MrsFrog
Shakespeare
Mel-o-rama
SOAPhobic
hotdime -- Collected (3)
kiwi
SirVLCIV

Points collected: 3 (Does not consider bonuses)
Total Points possible: 61

When updating this post pull out the [quote ] [ /quote] so people can use the most recently updated one.

[Selfish Bob]

Okay, now that it's been all hashed out, I just want to make sure I have this right:

4 points if a student votes in a post, then a sandwich student posts (Mel, Shakes, PK), and then we Boo.

3 points if a student posts a non-vote post, then a sandwich student posts, and we Boo

2 points if a student posts a vote, and we boo

1 point if a student posts a non-vote post and we boo.

We can collect the sandwich posters in a sandwich boo: say PK posts, then Shakespeare, then we boo, and now PK is collected. Otherwise, boos after PK, Shakes, or Mel don't count, correct?

[Abstract Actuary]

Looks right to me.

[Selfish Bob]

Sweet! I just sandwiched Shakespeare's vote post for 4 points, BABY!!

[Selfish Bob]

THE TALLY

There are 4 EC left and 11 students

Sandwich posters in blue

So the total points possible is 4 * 15 + 6 (3 each for collecting a 'team' of EC) = 62
Everytime we don't get 4 from someone that comes off the total: So after 3 for Hot Dime we are at 61.

We qualify at 45.

Linus
dlwktb
harvma
Pirate Kitty
Leela
Skizzmata
Macroman
All Clear
MrsFrog
Mel-o-rama
SOAPhobic
kiwi
SirVLCIV
Shakespeare -- Collected in post #4448 (4)
hotdime -- Collected (3)

Points collected: 7 (Does not consider bonuses)
Total Points possible: 61

When updating this post pull out the [quote ] [ /quote] so people can use the most recently updated one.

[CindyLou Who]

Sweet! I just sandwiched Shakespeare's vote post for 4 points, BABY!!

Yeah, Selfish Bob! You go! 7 points on two posters!

[notreallyme]

Sweet! I just sandwiched Shakespeare's vote post for 4 points, BABY!!


Very nicely done!

[Selfish Bob]

I'm guessing this answers your question, right nrm?

[PSU2002]

I have a question, bib the boo on PK count as booing PK as a sandwich since pk posted, then he posted again then he was booed or does the sandwich player have to be different than the collected player?

[Abstract Actuary]

Has to be different.

[Selfish Bob]

So what's our strategy here? Wait until the votes start picking up and try to get 4 points? Or when we see a 3-point opportunity, should we go for it? I'd avoid trying for 2 or 1 point opportunities unless completely necessary -- as in All Clear just posted, and we don't want to risk a sammach poster not posting after him?

So, for instance, right now, PK has posted after kiwi... I'm just wondering if I should go ahead and :boo: kiwi for 3?

[Selfish Bob]

I guess one thing in our favor is that we do have two rounds of voting to go until we need to qualify. I guess it wouldn't hurt to try to hold out for 4-point :boo:s for now, and then by maybe Wednesday, boo anyone we haven't gotten yet, assuming we will have accumulated a cushion with several 4-point boos by that time. Make sense?

Well, I guess the down side to this is that there are currently 15 living students, and after Tuesday, there will only be 13 after the lynching & execution. So one thing that might hurt us is the inability to :boo: two students, thus making it absolutely necessary to get a couple 4-point boos.

hmmm... I guess I'm just typing out loud right now... I know it's after 6:00 on the east coast and no one is listening to me. I'm okay with that.

[Selfish Bob]

AA, what if hotdime is lynched on Tuesday? Will her 3 points still count toward our 45 point goal since we booed her while she was still alive?

[Abstract Actuary]

Yes, if you get points for a player who is later killed you still keep those points. Whether that is 1, 2, 3, 4, or 0 or -1 points. Once a player is dead (I post the death confirmation [Player XXX you have been . . . ]) their points are locked in.

[notmyfriends]

So, to make sure my quick scan has this straight;

1. someone votes
2. PK, Mel, Shakespeare post
3. We boo, we get 4 points

1. someone posts (non vote)
2. PK, Mel Shakespeare post
3. We boo, we get 3 points

1. someone votes
2. We boo, we get 2 points

1. someone posts (non-vote)
2. We boo, we get 1 point

1. Someone posts a collect me post
2. We boo, we lose 1 point

If we get all 3 EC1 we get 3 bonus points
If we get the 1 EC2 we get 3 bonus points



Is that everything?
I'll grab any 4 pointers I see come up. Don't expect much on Sunday though.

[notreallyme]

I'm guessing this answers your question, right nrm?


Yes and yes!

[notreallyme]

So what's our strategy here? Wait until the votes start picking up and try to get 4 points? Or when we see a 3-point opportunity, should we go for it? I'd avoid trying for 2 or 1 point opportunities unless completely necessary -- as in All Clear just posted, and we don't want to risk a sammach poster not posting after him?

So, for instance, right now, PK has posted after kiwi... I'm just wondering if I should go ahead and :boo: kiwi for 3?

If I see three point opportunities I think I'll grab them. :shrug:

To get 4 you need to hope a sandwich poster posts right after the vote AND generally people only vote once or twice AND often when people are voting a lot of people are voting (increasing the need to be constantly watching and the chance of having a non-sandwich poster post after a vote)

-- MacroMan currently has the last post, hopefully we can sandwich him soon.

[OldTymer]

If I see three point opportunities I think I'll grab them. :shrug:

To get 4 you need to hope a sandwich poster posts right after the vote AND generally people only vote once or twice AND often when people are voting a lot of people are voting (increasing the need to be constantly watching and the chance of having a non-sandwich poster post after a vote)

-- MacroMan currently has the last post, hopefully we can sandwich him soon.

I'm actually glad to hear you say that. I was kind of wanting to do that, too. there were a few opportunities yesterday, some of which I missed, but I had a chance last night to collect Melorama.

[notmyfriends]

WHO SAID THAT?

[Tobias Funke]

HAHAHAHAHAHA

Nevah getz oldeh.

[CindyLou Who]

WHO SAID THAT?
:lol: I am assuming you're talking about OT posting in here! Sorry about that! Cindy keeps having an identity crisis. :shrug:

[CindyLou Who]

Okay, I collected Macroman for 3. He's sometimes difficult to sandwich at all, so I went for it. Hey, AA, Mel was the meat and he voted in that post, so do we get 2 bonus points for that? :shrug: :D


THE TALLY

There are 4 EC left and 11 students

Sandwich posters in blue

So the total points possible is 4 * 15 + 6 (3 each for collecting a 'team' of EC) = 62
Everytime we don't get 4 from someone that comes off the total: So after 3 for Hot Dime we are at 61.

We qualify at 45.

Linus
dlwktb
harvma
Pirate Kitty
Leela
Skizzmata
Macroman - Collected (3)
All Clear
MrsFrog
Mel-o-rama
SOAPhobic
kiwi
SirVLCIV
Shakespeare -- Collected in post #4448 (4)
hotdime -- Collected (3)

Points collected: 10 (Does not consider bonuses)
Total Points possible: 61

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[11pecans non fan]

Can someone catch me up with one quick post? Are we making sure we qualigy because it's late in the game, or are we trying to get extra information using the bonus?

[CindyLou Who]

Can someone catch me up with one quick post? Are we making sure we qualigy because it's late in the game, or are we trying to get extra information using the bonus?

I think we want to try and see if we can get the extra info using the bonus, but I think making sure we qualify is most important.

[11pecans non fan]

Ok, I'll keep an eye out for 4 point situations for now.

[11pecans non fan]

I think CLW just got Linus for 3

[CindyLou Who]

Okay, I just collected Linus for 3. Sorry I didn't go for 4, but he doesn't post a ton so opportunities for 3 aren't easy, plus once he votes, he rarely changes, so I was afraid we wouldn't get a chance at 4.


THE TALLY

There are 4 EC left and 11 students

Sandwich posters in blue

So the total points possible is 4 * 15 + 6 (3 each for collecting a 'team' of EC) = 62
Everytime we don't get 4 from someone that comes off the total: So after 3 for Hot Dime we are at 61.

We qualify at 45.

Linus - Collected (3)
dlwktb
harvma
Pirate Kitty
Leela
Skizzmata
Macroman - Collected (3)
All Clear
MrsFrog
Mel-o-rama
SOAPhobic
kiwi
SirVLCIV
Shakespeare -- Collected in post #4448 (4)
hotdime -- Collected (3)

Points collected: 13 (Does not consider bonuses)
Total Points possible: 59

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[notreallyme]

Ok, I'll keep an eye out for 4 point situations for now.

Edited because I was wrong.

As a note: We want to have at least 42 points (not counting bonuses) after we have collected 14 people.

Then if we have 45 points total the final person is EC, if we have 48 they are IS.

[CindyLou Who]

As a note: We want to have between 39 and 41 points (not counting bonuses) after we have collected 14 people.

Then if we qualified the uncollected person is innocent and if we have not they are EC. (this is the information we can get this round).

At some point we will want to decide who that final person should be.

What happens if the person not collected is EC? Then we don't get the extra 3 points and we won't qualify. Shouldn't we shoot for at least 42 to ensure we qualify to haunt?

[notreallyme]

What happens if the person not collected is EC?

Then we collect them after we have found out we didn't qualify. I assumed we could do that.

If we have 42 points and 14 people I'm not sure what information we gain. WE will have qualified no matter what.

[PSU2002]

Then we collect them after we have found out we didn't qualify. I assumed we could do that.

If we have 42 points and 14 people I'm not sure what information we gain. WE will have qualified no matter what.

once we have been notified that we don't qualify there are no more opportunities to capture.

[CindyLou Who]

Then we collect them after we have found out we didn't qualify. I assumed we could do that.

If we have 42 points and 14 people I'm not sure what information we gain. WE will have qualified no matter what.

I didn't think about it that way. I don't know at what point AA tells us if we get the bonus points or not since I wasn't here for the other time there was an EC bonus. Is that how it worked? I thought you made sure you qualified for the bonus first and then you found out you had 8 extra points.

[notreallyme]

I didn't think about it that way. I don't know at what point AA tells us if we get the bonus points or not since I wasn't here for the other time there was an EC bonus. Is that how it worked? I thought you made sure you qualified for the bonus first and then you found out you had 8 extra points.

Is this then true?

If so we need to have at least 42 with 14 collections. (That could be tough!)

[CindyLou Who]

Is this then true?

If so we need to have at least 42 with 14 collections. (That could be tough!)

Agreed.

Dang it! Mel is commenting on my booing after he talks about Sir. I wanted to boo him for 3, but I don't want to give the students false impressions on our messages to them. Should we boo for 3 or not?

[notreallyme]

Agreed.

Dang it! Mel is commenting on my booing after he talks about Sir. I wanted to boo him for 3, but I don't want to give the students false impressions on our messages to them. Should we boo for 3 or not?

I :boo: 'ed for 3.

It looked like he was asking you too, if we wanted to send a message. :shrug:

-- Do we have someone we want the students to go after? (More so than PK or Sir?) --

[notreallyme]

THE TALLY

There are 4 EC left and 11 students

Sandwich posters in blue

So the total points possible is 4 * 15 + 6 (3 each for collecting a 'team' of EC) = 62
Everytime we don't get 4 from someone that comes off the total: So after 3 for Hot Dime we are at 61.

We qualify at 45.

Linus - Collected (3)
dlwktb
harvma
Pirate Kitty
Leela
Skizzmata
Macroman - Collected (3)
All Clear
MrsFrog
Mel-o-rama
SOAPhobic
kiwi
SirVLCIV - Collected (3)
Shakespeare -- Collected in post #4448 (4)
hotdime -- Collected (3)

Points collected: 16 (Does not consider bonuses)
Total Points possible: 58

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[notreallyme]

For the final person I was thinking:

dlwtb OR Frog OR Mel OR PK OR Leela. :)

[CindyLou Who]

I :boo: 'ed for 3.

It looked like he was asking you too, if we wanted to send a message. :shrug:

-- Do we have someone we want the students to go after? (More so than PK or Sir?) --

Now that you've got our 3 points, should I post a white . to kind of say, I'm not necessarily agreeing with him, or would that be too confusing?

[notreallyme]

Now that you've got our 3 points, should I post a white . to kind of say, I'm not necessarily agreeing with him, or would that be too confusing?


I have no idea. He thinks he is onto something I guess :shrug: (Now he is asking about PK).

I am thinking if we space boo now he will assume that means we do not think PK is EC1 :shrug:

[CindyLou Who]

I have no idea. He thinks he is onto something I guess :shrug: (Now he is asking about PK).

I am thinking if we space boo now he will assume that means we do not think PK is EC1 :shrug:

Yes, you're right. He posted that while I was typing my question. I totally agree I should just do nothing for now.

[PSU2002]

I don't have any real gut instincts about anyone right now. Maybe shakespeare? He was heistant to roll his vote over to Kohl last round. Sir is still just riding it out though. Never joins any bandwagons. Usually ends up as the only person or one of two voting for the person. Seems strange to me. But who knows :shrug:

[PSU2002]

I have some deadlines this week that will most likely have my post involvment much lower than normal. I will definitely still be able to check in to haunt and place my votes and such assuming we do it the same way this week as last. I may not be very active in :boo:ing though I will do my best.

My oppinion on booing at this point is that we just try to qualify.

To verify, AA does not tell us how many bonus points we got, we have to infer it from an acurate point count and whether or not we qualified.

[PSU2002]

to guarantee a haunt we need to boo ever current living player for 39 points or better.

if we get every current living player that assures 6 bonus points 39+6=45.

[PSU2002]

basically 39 should be the target point total, whether it be through getting everyone or getting all but X players.

If we get 39 and can still haunt then whoever was unbooed are innocent students.

[notreallyme]

To verify, AA does not tell us how many bonus points we got, we have to infer it from an acurate point count and whether or not we qualified.

Then this would indicate we should either:
A) just qualify (no info)
B) collect 14 people (with a point total of 39 to 41 without bonuses) and if the final person is EC we will not qualify but if there are innocent we would qualify.

-- Could we get clarification on the following:
Once we ask if we qualified we get a yes / no answer.
After that we can not go get more points and we are never told exactly how many points we have.

[Selfish Bob]

Go CindyLou! I've been refreshing off and on, and I finally saw that there had been some activity in that thread, only to see you got him! Good job!

[Selfish Bob]

Umm.... where did it go?

[CindyLou Who]

Go CindyLou! I've been refreshing off and on, and I finally saw that there had been some activity in that thread, only to see you got him! Good job!

Thanks, but unfortunately, I booed Sir forgetting that nrm had already got him for 3. If he's innocent, I hope I didn't just kill him by posting that. I deleted it (I hope that isn't against the rules) hoping that they wouldn't take it as definitive evidence that I think Sir is guilty. We may very well think that, but I don't want that message out there unless we intentionally put it out there.

THE TALLY

There are 4 EC left and 11 students

Sandwich posters in blue

So the total points possible is 4 * 15 + 6 (3 each for collecting a 'team' of EC) = 62
Everytime we don't get 4 from someone that comes off the total: So after 3 for Hot Dime we are at 61.

We qualify at 45.

Linus - Collected (3)
dlwktb
harvma
Pirate Kitty
Leela
Skizzmata
Macroman - Collected (3)
All Clear
MrsFrog
Mel-o-rama
SOAPhobic
kiwi
SirVLCIV - Collected (3)
Shakespeare -- Collected in post #4448 (4)
hotdime -- Collected (3)

Points collected: 16 (Does not consider bonuses)
Total Points possible: 58

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[CindyLou Who]

Shoot! Even though I deleted it, Mel seems to be taking my misplaced boo as evidence Sir is EC. How convinced are we that he is or isn't? If we think he is, then no real harm done, but if we think he's not, I erred in a big way trying to get 4 points. Stupid haunt rules! :swear:

[CindyLou Who]

I'm leaving for a bit and won't be able to boo until later. Happy booing to all out there. Hopefully, we can get some 4 pointers in today. Later!

[Abstract Actuary]

Once the second student of the week is lynched or the students officially decide to pass the collection period ends. At that time I will announce in the thread whether the ghosts are eligible to haunt or not. I will not provide the details of their eligibility.

[Selfish Bob]

THE TALLY

There are 4 EC left and 11 students

Sandwich posters in blue

So the total points possible is 4 * 15 + 6 (3 each for collecting a 'team' of EC) = 62
Everytime we don't get 4 from someone that comes off the total: 5 for 3points, 1 for 4 points, possible total points is 57.

We qualify at 45.

dlwktb
harvma
Pirate Kitty
Leela
Skizzmata
All Clear
MrsFrog
SOAPhobic
kiwi
Linus - Collected (3)
Macroman - Collected (3)
Mel-o-rama -- Collected in post #4527 (3)
SirVLCIV - Collected (3)
Shakespeare -- Collected in post #4448 (4)
hotdime -- Collected (3)

Points collected: 19 (Does not consider bonuses)
Total Points possible: 57

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[PSU2002]

Then this would indicate we should either:
A) just qualify (no info)
B) collect 14 people (with a point total of 39 to 41 without bonuses) and if the final person is EC we will not qualify but if there are innocent we would qualify.

-- Could we get clarification on the following:
Once we ask if we qualified we get a yes / no answer.
After that we can not go get more points and we are never told exactly how many points we have.

we never ask really. We are no longer eligible to collect once the students lynch on thursday. after the lynching AA makes a post in the welcome to the ghost forum thread telling us wether or not we are eligible to haunt. This is the only time at which he will tell us. He does not tell us how many points we got.

[PSU2002]

You are right NRM. We could get as many as 41 without bonuses and still be able to haunt if we leave someone unbooed and they are EC. That would mean only a 3 point bonus. Since we have macroman in hand as innocent and the haunt guidelines are so tough this round, we should probably only leave one unbooed. Either that or get some 4 pointers. If we keep settling for 3s we will be able to haunt, but with no info...

[Selfish Bob]

We could still continue to get 3-point boos.

14 students (leaving one out) x 3 points = 42. Since we already have a 4-point boo, that puts us up to 43 points, but if we boo one person for only 1 point or two people for only 2 points, then we can work it out to 41 points.... actually, we need to collect 42 points, and leave one person out. This way, we know we'll get the +3 for collecting at least one EC team.

Are there any preferences to whom we should leave off of the collecting? These are the students left:

dlwktb
harvma
Pirate Kitty
Leela
Skizzmata
All Clear
MrsFrog
SOAPhobic
kiwi

And all of them raise suspicions in my mind.

[Selfish Bob]

Here's the current voting.

Shakespeare 1 (Linus)
Pirate Kitty 1 (Macroman)
SirVLCIV 1 (Mel-o-rama)

I know this summary doesn't say much, but we want to make sure that the person we leave off from collecting isn't a student who's going to be lynched in the next two lynchings. Since we've already collected Shakespeare & Sir, that means that, although it would be helpful to know Pirate Kitty's status for sure, we can't risk having him lynched by the students first.

I say we shoot for a quieter student who's been flying under the radar. Perhaps dlwktb or harvma or even Skizzmata... Dino's been flying way under the radar this game.

Anyone else have any suggestions?

[Radioactive Superstar]

Dino's been flying way under the radar this game.

I like this, for the same reason I favored haunting Werewolf. Incredibly strong player but one who will not draw the same sort of attention that PK and Kohl would. His quietness is out of character compared to the last couple games he's played in. I could easily see him co-leading EC1 with Kohl, though I could also see him providing some of the leadership EC2 had.

But given how little attention he has drawn so far, being able to identify him as innocent or not would be a huge plus.

(disclaimer for the newer ghosts: I have admittedly been beating a drum on PK, Kohl, Skizzmata (or rather Dino, without knowing at first what alt he was), and Werewolf since the beginning, with the thought that IF they are guilty then they were among the most dangerous to leave alive)

[PSU2002]

We could still continue to get 3-point boos.

14 students (leaving one out) x 3 points = 42. Since we already have a 4-point boo, that puts us up to 43 points, but if we boo one person for only 1 point or two people for only 2 points, then we can work it out to 41 points.... actually, we need to collect 42 points, and leave one person out. This way, we know we'll get the +3 for collecting at least one EC team.

Are there any preferences to whom we should leave off of the collecting? These are the students left:

dlwktb
harvma
Pirate Kitty
Leela
Skizzmata
All Clear
MrsFrog
SOAPhobic
kiwi

And all of them raise suspicions in my mind.

but if we get 42 and leave 1 out then we are guaranteed 45 and he ability to haunt, and thus we gain no info about the person we left out. If we get 41 and only get all of 1 ec then we have 44 and the person we left out must be ec or if we can haunt he must be innocent.

[PSU2002]

i guess the question comes down to, are we trying to gain any info.

[11pecans non fan]

Given that two EC were killed, we're down to 4 EC and 11 IS. By our next haunt, there will have been 4 more deaths, unless EC2 is finished off and EC1 does not take the deadline.

Worst case scenario is that we're looking at 4EC and 7 IS when we haunt. If we don't haunt then we could be looking at 4 EC and 3 IS by the next haunt opportunity. I think if we are trying to gain information, we either need to verify someone we suspect as EC (and convey that to the students to be lynched with the 911 status) or identify a quiet poster as IS for end game situations.

[11pecans non fan]

I think MrsFrog and All Clear are great choices.

[PSU2002]

I think we skip info gathering and guarantee a haunt. This could be are last true chance to impact the game by picking off an EC. If we do get info then we are stuck overloading thestudents with phone numbers, etc, trying to get the point across. Collect for high points and get a haunt done. By the end of the week enough pieces will have fallen into place that we should have a decent idea who is EC and be able to haunt accordingly.

[11pecans non fan]

I think we skip info gathering and guarantee a haunt. This could be are last true chance to impact the game by picking off an EC. If we do get info then we are stuck overloading thestudents with phone numbers, etc, trying to get the point across. Collect for high points and get a haunt done. By the end of the week enough pieces will have fallen into place that we should have a decent idea who is EC and be able to haunt accordingly.
Did you notice PK's recommended phone code change?
It would allow us to identify EC1 vs EC2 vs EC and also provides for a 911 = lynch this person now.

[11pecans non fan]

THE TALLY

There are 4 EC left and 11 students

Sandwich posters in blue

So the total points possible is 4 * 15 + 6 (3 each for collecting a 'team' of EC) = 62
Everytime we don't get 4 from someone that comes off the total: 5 for 3points, 1 for 4 points, possible total points is 57.

We qualify at 45.

dlwktb
harvma
Pirate Kitty
Leela
Skizzmata
All Clear
MrsFrog
SOAPhobic
kiwi - collected (3)
Linus - Collected (3)
Macroman - Collected (3)
Mel-o-rama -- Collected in post #4527 (3)
SirVLCIV - Collected (3)
Shakespeare -- Collected in post #4448 (4)
hotdime -- Collected (3)

Points collected: 22 (Does not consider bonuses)
Total Points possible: 57

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[11pecans non fan]

I just got kiwi, PK, boo for +3

[Selfish Bob]

Gotcha, PSU. I was wondering what I was missing with the 41 versus 42. Makes sense.

It may be difficult to collect everyone, as some of the students left to collect are hard to grab. I'm sure we could try to be diligent in our collecting efforts to get it done to precisely 41 points, but if we don't, and we lose our haunting ability, that wouldn't be good. Just know that by this time tomorrow, we'll definitely be down to 14 students, and then after the execution (which have been coming soon after the lynchings), we'll be down to 13 students. It's risky to try to get info out of this haunt.

I just threw a bunch of stuff into that paragraph. Sorry if it makes no sense.

[notreallyme]

It's risky to try to get info out of this haunt.


We don't really have to decide that yet.

Tomorrow will be a good indicator when they start voting as to how many points are easy or hard to get.

Missing A haunt SHOULD mean a guaranteed EC death on Thursday, I would think that would be worth it :shrug:

PS 39 through 41 are all the same as far as info. If you have all the EC you will qualify if you don't you won't

[Selfish Bob]

Take All Clear now for +2, or wait to see if Shakes, PK, or Mel-o post after him? He said he'll be back in time for the vote tomorrow, but that doesn't necessarily mean he'll be posting.

[Selfish Bob]

never mind.

[11pecans non fan]

I was wondering that as well.

[11pecans non fan]

So if shake get's lynched and is innocent, then as a ghost could he make empty posts after people to help us sandwhich people?

[Selfish Bob]

Good question, but I suspect I know what our ec-loving scum of a game moderator will have to say about that.

[Selfish Bob]

Plus, I don't think Shakes is innocent.

[CindyLou Who]

So if shake get's lynched and is innocent, then as a ghost could he make empty posts after people to help us sandwhich people?

Oooohhh! I like it! But Bob's right...AA probably won't let us. :swear:

[11pecans non fan]

I know, but per the rules, I don't see why it wouldn't work. I only ask because Shake is half way to being dead.

[PSU2002]

Did you notice PK's recommended phone code change?
It would allow us to identify EC1 vs EC2 vs EC and also provides for a 911 = lynch this person now.

i did notice this. it is a good suggestion. Which I guess would be exactly what we would do if were unable to haunt due to trying to get info. So I guess we could try for some info.

[PSU2002]

Good question, but I suspect I know what our ec-loving scum of a game moderator will have to say about that.

ya i doubt AA would allow that but an awesome thought!

[11pecans non fan]

i did notice this. it is a good suggestion. Which I guess would be exactly what we would do if were unable to haunt due to trying to get info. So I guess we could try for some info.
I think we should try and gain info on a quieter poster. Either they're IS and we hold the info for endgame and we get to haunt, or they're EC, we don't haunt, but get the IS to take out a known EC.

[PSU2002]

pretty much all the uncollected people are somewhat quiet so it seems like if we get info you will get your wish.

[notreallyme]

Got Harvma for (3)

THE TALLY

There are 4 EC left and 11 students

Sandwich posters in blue

So the total points possible is 4 * 15 + 6 (3 each for collecting a 'team' of EC) = 62
Everytime we don't get 4 from someone that comes off the total: 5 for 3points, 1 for 4 points, possible total points is 57.

We qualify at 45.

dlwktb
Pirate Kitty
Leela
Skizzmata
All Clear
MrsFrog
SOAPhobic
kiwi - Collected (3)
harvma - Collected(3)
Linus - Collected (3)
Macroman - Collected (3)
Mel-o-rama -- Collected in post #4527 (3)
SirVLCIV - Collected (3)
Shakespeare -- Collected in post #4448 (4)
hotdime -- Collected (3)

Points collected: 25 (Does not consider bonuses)
Total Points possible: 55

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[PSU2002]

if we got every remaining player for 2(standard boo but after a vote) we would hit 39+6=45.

[PSU2002]

4 3's and 2 1s or 2s gets us to 39 - 41 with 1 unbooed student.

[PSU2002]

I think we should definitely be able to get 1 unbooed and reach are target at this point. Keep getting 3's or 4's for now and when we get closer we will need to stop to evaluate exactly how many points we need and from whom.

[11pecans non fan]

So with 25 points, and 7 students left, what's our strategy?

We want to get to 39-41, right? So we need 14-16 points by 6 students to leave one out for information.

So 2 for 3 points and 4 for 2 points gets us 6 for 14 points.
Or 3 for 3 points and 3 for 2 points gets us 6 for 15 points.
Or 4 for 3 points and 2 for 2 points gets us 6 for 16 points.

So, in summary, we at most need 4 more 3 pointers and at least need 2 more 3 pointers.

[PSU2002]

So with 25 points, and 7 students left, what's our strategy?

We want to get to 39-41, right? So we need 14-16 points by 6 students to leave one out for information.

So 2 for 3 points and 4 for 2 points gets us 6 for 14 points.
Or 3 for 3 points and 3 for 2 points gets us 6 for 15 points.
Or 4 for 3 points and 2 for 2 points gets us 6 for 16 points.

So, in summary, we at most need 4 more 3 pointers and at least need 2 more 3 pointers.

there is also the opportunity for the ever elusive 4 pointer, but none of thos should be counted on. Also 1 pointers are the easiest to get. Standard boo on a non voting post. 2's could be tough to get because they are standard boos on a voting post. Count on 3's and 1's. Don't depend on twos. It could get us in trouble.

[11pecans non fan]

I see. So 4 three pointers and 2 one pointers is our best shot at getting 6 students for 14 points.

[PSU2002]

I see. So 4 three pointers and 2 one pointers is our best shot at getting 6 students for 14 points.

correct which is what I said here:

4 3's and 2 1s or 2s gets us to 39 - 41 with 1 unbooed student.

note that after the four threes the other 2 students can be any combination of 1s or 2s to get us to somewhere between 39 and 41.

[11pecans non fan]

True. Never hurts to make sure we're all on the same page.
Since we have time, I'll keep an eye out for 3's and 4's.

[11pecans non fan]

This hasn't come up in the past because we needed to first traditionally boo someone to make them a sandwich person, but if PK posts twice in a row, can we boo him as a sandwich boo? In other words, can he sandwich himself?

[CindyLou Who]

So we're trying for info on Mrs. Frog and All Clear? Or someone else?

[Selfish Bob]

Skizzmata is up with a vote post... however, he's probably the one that I'd like to have singled out. But I guess we should get him if PK, Shakes, or Mel posts after him for a +4 regardless.

[11pecans non fan]

I think any quiet poster is good, but I would love to get info on either of them.

[11pecans non fan]

Skizzmata is up with a vote post... however, he's probably the one that I'd like to have singled out. But I guess we should get him if PK, Shakes, or Mel posts after him for a +4 regardless.
I'm watching it.

[Selfish Bob]

dammit sir!

[11pecans non fan]

Sir just posted.

[Selfish Bob]

Bumping this so I don't have to keep sorting through to find it...

THE TALLY

There are 4 EC left and 11 students

Sandwich posters in blue

So the total points possible is 4 * 15 + 6 (3 each for collecting a 'team' of EC) = 62
Everytime we don't get 4 from someone that comes off the total: 5 for 3points, 1 for 4 points, possible total points is 55.

We qualify at 45.

dlwktb
Pirate Kitty
Leela
Skizzmata
All Clear
MrsFrog
SOAPhobic
kiwi - Collected (3)
harvma - Collected(3)
Linus - Collected (3)
Macroman - Collected (3)
Mel-o-rama -- Collected in post #4527 (3)
SirVLCIV - Collected (3)
Shakespeare -- Collected in post #4448 (4)
hotdime -- Collected (3)

Points collected: 25 (Does not consider bonuses)
Total Points possible: 55

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[PSU2002]

This hasn't come up in the past because we needed to first traditionally boo someone to make them a sandwich person, but if PK posts twice in a row, can we boo him as a sandwich boo? In other words, can he sandwich himself?

I asked AA this a couple days ago. He said it had to be a different person. It is in this thread somewhere, i am too lazy to find the post.

[Selfish Bob]

I have a question, bib the boo on PK count as booing PK as a sandwich since pk posted, then he posted again then he was booed or does the sandwich player have to be different than the collected player?

Has to be different.

Posts 80 & 81 in this thread.

[11pecans non fan]

Thanks.

[PSU2002]

Posts 80 & 81 in this thread.

Thanks bob!

[PSU2002]

seeing as how you are female, are you getting sick of being called bob yet?

[Selfish Bob]

dlwktb has a vote posted... crossing my fingers for a post from our sandwichers!

[Selfish Bob]

dammit soap! :swear:

[Selfish Bob]

I'm going to suggest that we start booing after those students who we've already collected.

I don't want Mel-o, Shakes, or PK to think that they're the only ones who we're booing, and right now, it kind of looks that way.

Here's a list of those students we've already collected. If you see one of them post, then post a :boo: afterwards. This will at least mix things up a bit so it'll be harder for the living students to figure out our booing process.

kiwi
harvma
Linus
Macroman
Mel-o-rama
SirVLCIV
Shakespeare
hotdime

[CindyLou Who]

I'm going to suggest that we start booing after those students who we've already collected.

I don't want Mel-o, Shakes, or PK to think that they're the only ones who we're booing, and right now, it kind of looks that way.

Here's a list of those students we've already collected. If you see one of them post, then post a :boo: afterwards. This will at least mix things up a bit so it'll be harder for the living students to figure out our booing process.

kiwi
harvma
Linus
Macroman
Mel-o-rama
SirVLCIV
Shakespeare
hotdime

I wondered what you were doing and I've actually worried about this a bit myself. Good idea.

[CindyLou Who]

I got Skizzy for 3.

THE TALLY

There are 4 EC left and 11 students

Sandwich posters in blue

So the total points possible is 4 * 15 + 6 (3 each for collecting a 'team' of EC) = 62
Everytime we don't get 4 from someone that comes off the total: 5 for 3points, 1 for 4 points, possible total points is 54.

We qualify at 45.

dlwktb
Pirate Kitty
Leela
Skizzmata - Collected (3)
All Clear
MrsFrog
SOAPhobic
kiwi - Collected (3)
harvma - Collected(3)
Linus - Collected (3)
Macroman - Collected (3)
Mel-o-rama -- Collected in post #4527 (3)
SirVLCIV - Collected (3)
Shakespeare -- Collected in post #4448 (4)
hotdime -- Collected (3)

Points collected: 28 (Does not consider bonuses)
Total Points possible: 54

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[Selfish Bob]

wtg, clw!

[PSU2002]

Not really, considering my real name is a guy's name as well... YOU should know this! We've had classes together for pete's sake!

good point, but technically your REAL name isn't a boys name, you choose to be called by a boys name, so that makes my question even more ridiculous!

[PSU2002]

i've been such a :boo: slacker this round! I seriously am under a deadline crunch though and it sux. i hate the first 5 days of every month!

[Selfish Bob]

i've been such a :boo: slacker this round! I seriously am under a deadline crunch though and it sux. i hate the first 5 days of every month!

I hate the first 5 days of every month for a different reason. :oops:

[PSU2002]

I hate the first 5 days of every month for a different reason. :oops:

:exams: too much information :exams:

[Selfish Bob]

:lol:

[CindyLou Who]

hotdime just posted.....if the opportunity arises, should we boo her for three or try to get her for four when she votes in a few hours? I'm for getting her for three now if we can, but just wondered what the thoughts were...

[CindyLou Who]

never mind...I was thinking we still needed to collect hotdime.

[CindyLou Who]

I'll take Leela for 4, Bob. Woohoo!!

THE TALLY

There are 4 EC left and 11 students

Sandwich posters in blue

So the total points possible is 4 * 15 + 6 (3 each for collecting a 'team' of EC) = 62
Everytime we don't get 4 from someone that comes off the total: 5 for 3points, 1 for 4 points, possible total points is 54.

We qualify at 45.

dlwktb
Pirate Kitty
Leela - Collected (4)
Skizzmata - Collected (3)
All Clear
MrsFrog
SOAPhobic
kiwi - Collected (3)
harvma - Collected(3)
Linus - Collected (3)
Macroman - Collected (3)
Mel-o-rama -- Collected in post #4527 (3)
SirVLCIV - Collected (3)
Shakespeare -- Collected in post #4448 (4)
hotdime -- Collected (3)

Points collected: 32 (Does not consider bonuses)
Total Points possible: 54

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[Werewolf]

:tup:

[CindyLou Who]

:tup:

Thanks. I about fell out of my chair trying to turn and type :boo: as fast as I could before anyone else could post. What a dweeb I am, getting excited over a boo. :roll:

[notreallyme]

OK we need between 7 and 9 points for the next 4 posters.

Make sure we don't get to many.

any thoughts on who we want to not collect?
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dlwktb
Pirate Kitty
All Clear
MrsFrog
SOAPhobic


Keep in mind if we don't collect a student we still get to haunt but if we don't collect a EC we lose our haunt BUT get to be sure of who one EC scum is. (And I would suggest post that immediately with the full 9 to get them out of here tommorow).

-- We also don't want to have as our last person whoever gets executed today.

[CindyLou Who]

OK we need between 7 and 9 points for the next 4 posters.

Make sure we don't get to many.

any thoughts on who we want to not collect?
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dlwktb
Pirate Kitty
All Clear
MrsFrog
SOAPhobic


Keep in mind if we don't collect a student we still get to haunt but if we don't collect a EC we lose our haunt BUT get to be sure of who one EC scum is. (And I would suggest post that immediately with the full 9 to get them out of here tommorow).

-- We also don't want to have as our last person whoever gets executed today.

So, we're trying to get the information rather than assuring a haunt?

Who are we trying to get information on, so that I don't boo them. I thought it was PK, but that was a few days ago. Anybody know?

[Radioactive Superstar]

I've only been skimming the threads --- are we going for one safe unboo'd player or getting greedy and going for two?

And did we have preferences between loud targets who will attract attention(PK), suspicious players (MrsF), or quiet posters (dlwktb, AC, SOAP)? Or are we just going for the last unboo'd player. With 2 days to go, you can probably be a bit choosy on who to leave.

Also...locking up the unbood player now leaves us at risk that this player is killed before we get our information. And if that person is EC, it would guarantee we cannot haunt even though we gain no extra info.

Sorry if this has all been talked about; I'm not trying to change decisions that have already been made, just trying to get info before I boo inappropriately.

[Radioactive Superstar]

cross-posting with CindyLou. Linus would be so jealous. :lol:

[notreallyme]

So, we're trying to get the information rather than assuring a haunt?

- I think knowing someone is EC is worth losing a haunt. The only way we lose our haunt is if this happens.
- If the final person is a student we still get our haunt AND info.

Personally I don't care who we save for last*. But I think we need to get info.

* Though a quiet player may be nice, because then we know if they are innocent and keep the haunt, OR we pull someone out of hiding that may otherwise be a hard EC to catch.

[CindyLou Who]

- I think knowing someone is EC is worth losing a haunt. The only way we lose our haunt is if this happens.
- If the final person is a student we still get our haunt AND info.

Personally I don't care who we save for last. But I think we need to get info.

Okay, let's pick one or two to shoot for and then we can have options based on who posts. All Clear is under suspicion and is hard to catch, but I'll be trying today if I can because some of the others are getting hard to catch as well. I'd really like info on PK if we can, but then some of the others are very hard to catch. Open to all suggestions at this point.

[CindyLou Who]

cross-posting with CindyLou. Linus would be so jealous. :lol:

:lol: Yes, he would.

[11pecans non fan]

I've said all along that All Clear has no history in the game due to the vacation. We should try and get the information on him in my opinion.

[CindyLou Who]

I've said all along that All Clear has no history in the game due to the vacation. We should try and get the information on him in my opinion.Okay, are we going to try and be greedy and try for two? That would mean we need exactly 7 points for 3 posters. Right?

[PSU2002]

I still think we should take info on whoever we can get info on. doesn't matter their posting style. If we choose someone not to go after and they end up dead and as EC we will have to increase our number of points needed to get info. We are on dangerous ground since the bonus points are not "per EC" but "if all ec in 1" and "if all ec in 2."

We should just leave whoever is left at the end. Just my oppinion.

[notreallyme]

Okay, are we going to try and be greedy and try for two? That would mean we need exactly 7 points for 3 posters. Right?

I don't think so.

Then if we don't qualify we won't know which one is EC. I think we can only leave one person uncollected.

AllClear sounds like a good option.

[PSU2002]

I would say just get one. Two is very greedy and hard to pull off at this point IMHO.

[PSU2002]

I don't think so.

Then if we don't qualify we won't know which one is EC. I think we can only leave one person uncollected.

AllClear sounds like a good option.

:iatp: except for the all clear part, not that i don't think he is a good candidate. i just don't think we should lock ourselves in.

[CindyLou Who]

I would say just get one. Two is very greedy and hard to pull off at this point IMHO.

Yep, that's me...greedy, greedy, greedy. Anyway, that makes sense to just go for one. so, do we need 7 - 9 points on 4 posters to achieve our goal, right?

[notreallyme]

:iatp: except for the all clear part, not that i don't think he is a good candidate. i just don't think we should lock ourselves in.

I don't really think we should lock in either. I say we get who we get.

[Selfish Bob]

I don't think we should boo anyone else or lock anyone in until after todays lynching & execution. After these upcoming two deaths, then we reassess, and get busy booing our 4 of 5 left.

[CindyLou Who]

I don't think we should boo anyone else or lock anyone in until after todays lynching & execution. After these upcoming two deaths, then we reassess, and get busy booing our 4 of 5 left.

:iatp: except I think we should boo some players we've already collected. Every time I boo after Mel, he takes it as approval for the Sir vote. Either that, or he's EC and is just using it to get Sir lynched or Shakespeare not lynched.

[Selfish Bob]

Well, the good thing is that Sir was not one of our remaining 5 unbooed students. Even if the EC takes out one of our 5, and we leave one out, that's still 3 students left to get 7 to 9 points, and getting info on a student.

[CindyLou Who]

All Clear just posted. I know we said to wait....but if we get the chance to sandwich him, should we? Then, we could get some single point votes for the rest.

[Radioactive Superstar]

I say take him as a sandwich if you can. He's too elusive and does not plan to be around on Thursday. Only other shot will be when he assigns his proxy.

[Selfish Bob]

Of the remaining 5 (AC, PK, dlwktb, MrsFrog, and Soap), I wouldn't mind having info on any one of them. I think if there's a opportunity to get him for 3, go ahead.

[Selfish Bob]

never mind.

sir :swear:

[Radioactive Superstar]

moot

[notreallyme]

No opportunity for 3, Sir Posted after him. Maybe he will return. (Otherwise he has just stated he is out Thurs and Fri)

[notreallyme]

Considering we don't need a ton of points per player I suggest we send a ghost note to 'PAGE' players.

Something to the effect of:
The phone lights up 'it is paging (phone number)' -- Could even give a time.

Then hopefully a student will PM them and they will come post. :shrug:

If there was a way to get a sandwich poster to come after them even better. But I think the main importanct is to be clear we want them to post.

[Selfish Bob]

The problem with that is, they might come to the thread and say, "I'm ready to be collected!" and we'll lose a point.

[11pecans non fan]

A quick execution. Let's hope for an EC crossfire.

[Selfish Bob]

The problem with that is, they might come to the thread and say, "I'm ready to be collected!" and we'll lose a point.

Speaking of which, has anyone kept track to see if a student made a collect me post before we collected them? I can't remember. maybe I'll look into that tonight.

[11pecans non fan]

I think PK posted something along the lines of people needing to post to get collected without mentioning they needed to be collected. Because of that I don't think anyone asked for collection.

[notreallyme]

I think PK posted something along the lines of people needing to post to get collected without mentioning they needed to be collected. Because of that I don't think anyone asked for collection.

That was my belief as well.

I suppose we could shoot for 39 then we are safe even if 2 people did ask.

[PSU2002]

They can ask to be collected, as long as we didn't capture them in the post where they asked. I'm almost positive that hasn't happened.

[Selfish Bob]

Ok. I thought it was if they asked at any time prior to being collected, not necessarily on the collected post, then we'd lose a point. darn ec-scum-loving-moderator. :-P

[Selfish Bob]

waiting for a sammach to post after dlwktb...

[11pecans non fan]

harvma killed that shot

[Selfish Bob]

maybe we need to page our sandwichers.

[11pecans non fan]

Have they all checked in that they're still alive? I don't recall seeing a post by PK yet, and he normally checks in quickly.

[Selfish Bob]

oh noes!

[Selfish Bob]

Checked in:

Mel
Shakes
kiwi
dlwktb *
harvma
Linus

Not checked in:
All Clear *
hotdime
Leela
Macroman
MrsFrog *
Pirate Kitty *
Skizzmata
SOAPhobic *

*still unbooed.

[11pecans non fan]

I have a gut feeling that PK is dead.

[Selfish Bob]

Checked in:

Mel
Shakes
kiwi
dlwktb *
harvma
Linus
hotdime
Pirate Kitty *

Not checked in:
All Clear *
Leela
Macroman
MrsFrog *
Skizzmata
SOAPhobic *

*still unbooed.

[Radioactive Superstar]

I have a gut feeling that PK is dead.

he's probably frantically writing his "I'm not actually dead" scene. :lol:

[PSU2002]

If PK is dead we may have a problem. He is both a sandwhich poster AND uncollected. UH-OH.

[Selfish Bob]

Sucks on the sandwich poster side, but we can deal with the uncollected side. 5 unbooed students. If PK is gone, then we're down to 4. Leave one out, that puts us at three students to get 7 to 9 points. That's not entirely undo-able. Harder yes, impossible, nope.

ETA: he just posted. nm.

[Werewolf]

Actually, my thought is that All Clear was the one executed. If I were EC2, I'd have noticed that All Clear is both acting in concert with Kohl and flying under the radar, while Pirate Kitty is highly suspected.

[Werewolf]

And it looks like Pirate Kitty is alive. :whew:

[PSU2002]

Ya, All Clear is a likely target and not one that will be checking in anytime soon! I hate waiting for post three to be updated!

[Selfish Bob]

So do we boo him if/when Mel posts after him?

[PSU2002]

Heck ya. Capture him before he gets lynched!

[11pecans non fan]

Can we collect someone on their death scene post?

[Selfish Bob]

Checked in:

Mel
Shakes
kiwi
dlwktb *
harvma
Linus
hotdime
Pirate Kitty *
Skizzmata

Not checked in:
All Clear *
Leela
Macroman
MrsFrog *
SOAPhobic *

*still unbooed.

[PSU2002]

SKIZZ!:swear:

[Abstract Actuary]

Can we collect someone on their death scene post?

No. Once I announce their death in the thread, they are no longer eligible for collection (or as sandwich students, if that may be the case).

[PSU2002]

i dunno. AA ruling? Can we collect someone on their death scene post? Don't see it in the rules otherwise! I say YES! I also say YES to a death scene counting as a post for sandwiching(ie if pirate were dead we could have collected whoever posted immediately in front of him)

[Selfish Bob]

I think skizz/dino is dirty rotten ec scum.

[PSU2002]

No. Once I announce their death in the thread, they are no longer eligible for collection (or as sandwich students, if that may be the case).

Yep definitely an EC-loving moderator.

[PSU2002]

I think skizz/dino is dirty rotten ec scum.

I'm with ya. Maybe the lone EC2 left? Seems like he would point to the framing of Sir if he was the one framing sir.

[CindyLou Who]

i dunno. AA ruling? Can we collect someone on their death scene post? Don't see it in the rules otherwise! I say YES! I also say YES to a death scene counting as a post for sandwiching(ie if pirate were dead we could have collected whoever posted immediately in front of him)

woohoo! Rebellion in the ghost forum! Let's go for it!

[CindyLou Who]

I'm with ya. Maybe the lone EC2 left? Seems like he would point to the framing of Sir if he was the one framing sir.

ITA! He's had my radar pinging for awhile now.

[PSU2002]

woohoo! Rebellion in the ghost forum! Let's go for it!

I was writing that as AA was posting his ruling. Not meant to be a rebelious post really, just wanted to give my oppinion before AA could rule, he beat me to it.

[CindyLou Who]

I was writing that as AA was posting his ruling. Not meant to be a rebelious post really, just wanted to give my oppinion before AA could rule, he beat me to it.

Oh. Bummer. Too da&n quick with those rulings, he is.

[PSU2002]

Its All Clear, Frog, or Leela. That means we are going to be down one possible collection. Unless it is leela. We actually got her for 4. Nice.

[11pecans non fan]

Just got SOAP for 3.
We need 4-6 more points from 3 students.