Maturity Level

[Guerilla poster]

The level of maturity on the site has gone down hill big time in the last week, I wonder why? It is okay to have fun, cyberflirting is fine but alot of the stuff going on has reaced the pure stupidity level, this is my complaint, i guess i am considering other discussion options soon.

[Dr T Non-Fan]

I have some great ideas.
All of which involve some work by our moderators.
The trick is to find the idea that involves the least expected amount of work.

1. Separate area for PFKACASP ("Posters Formerly Known as CAS Posters"). Assign a moderator for that topic. The rest of the board can be moderated by Dr T with little additional effort.

2. More moderators to monitor the whole board and delete posts and posters if and when necessary. Sounds like more work.

3. Separate topics for each exam. (Just have to keep the dream alive.)

[The Mister]

On 2001-12-18 15:53, Guerilla Poster wrote:
The level of maturity on the site has gone down hill big time in the last week. It is okay to have fun, cyberflirting is fine but alot of the stuff going on has reaced the pure stupidity level, this is my complaint, i guess i am considering other discussion options soon.<font size=2>I agree completely. The signal/noise ratio has dropped significantly since the CAS purge.

It's posters like Pird and Pitt (same person?) who potentially give the actuarial profession a bad reputation, either on purpose or via a misunderstanding when someone who might consider the actuarial profession basically fuggetsaboudit when s/he sees what nonsense s/he has to wade through in order to find useful information.

At least the "Careers" section is unaffected thus far.

[anon789]

This is deliberate vandalism of the board. The odd idiot post or thread should be overlooked, but not this.

Posting bunches of nonsense threads by a few posters does nothing but effectively remove the viable threads. No viable threads, no readers/posters, no board.

Further, this board ALREADY has a culture, I don't want or need a new one. The new posters are replacing our culture with theirs by hijacking the board. It's unwanted, poor netiquette, and would NOT be allowed on any other board I've seen.

The moderators need to nip this in the bud. Do some wholesale thread/post deletions and get crazy with some IP bans.

[Dr T Non-Fan]

They're like killer bees?

[Patience]

Traci:

are Pird, Pitt & Pascal the same person? If so it is getting quite annoying. & I find it hard to believe there are three such idiots.

[Ben Franklin]

There are at least three of them. They travel in flocks. They will not stop on their own.

They are not the water cooler culture. They are what destroyed it.

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[Mulan]

As a CAS refugee, I apologize for the behavior of certain recent arrivals. In my opinion, you cannot take too firm of a stand with them. It would help if legitimate posters would not "feed" them by responding to their posts.

[Anonymous]

Maturity is over-rated.

That's why I'm so into cyberflirting and Harry Potter.

[Anonymous]

Thats right Pascal. If I wasn't so mature, I wouldn't be into women and South Park!

[Traci]

"""Further, this board ALREADY has a culture, I don't want or need a new one. The new posters are replacing our culture with theirs by hijacking the board. It's unwanted, poor netiquette, and would NOT be allowed on any other board I've seen.
"""

I'm with you anon789

Consider this your last warning folks - clean it up or get out.

If you want to set up your own forum, I would happy to direct you to websites where you can do so for free.

For starters try:

http://web.eesite.com/forums/

It takes about 5 minutes to get a forum up and running - this is how we got started. I don't think you'd have any problems with Space Lobster - he seems to be right at your level!

<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: Traci - Admin on 2001-12-18 22:48 ]</font>

[Moderator2]

LOL, Traci.

[Moderator1]

I think overall the CAS refugees have been good for the forum. The ones who have entered the "Political" arena have been far more polite than some of our own posters, yet some of those same refugees become less serious in "Non-actuarial".

Even in "Non-actuarial", they aren't always silly. Threads like "Birth Order" and "Broken Bones" were mainly CAS, by posters who are frequently silly in other threads. Those threads would have fit right in with our pre-incursion style.

It's the destructive few, rather than the playful majority, we must worry about, in my opinion. For the playful majority, we may get to know you better if you join our threads (politely) rather than limiting yourself to your own threads.

Playful majority, some of you are also pushing the limits at times. Guideline is PG-13, don't stretch it too far, even as humor. And show some restraint about silly threads. Your prior culture may have been poster-oriented: "a few will appreciate it, the rest can ignore it, so do it". Ours is more viewer-oriented: "let's look at the new threads, hoping we find ones of interest without too many we want to ignore".

[Dr T Non-Fan]

Having an "Out-CAS-t Water Cooler" area would rid us natives from having to "enjoy" those topics. We'll all know what's behind that curtain, and we'll all cover our faces upon leaving, lest we be recognized.

[Flora]

I understand there are some problems that need fixing, but are you really saying you wouldn't welcome me in any of your discussions and want to designate a separate room to which I must restrict myself?

[Anonymous]

On 2001-12-19 15:52, Flora wrote:
I understand there are some problems that need fixing, but are you really saying you wouldn't welcome me in any of your discussions and want to designate a separate room to which I must restrict myself?


I think that would qualify as "minority opinion" :smile:

[Dr T Non-Fan]

No, for the gajillionth time.
I'm proposing separate areas for TOPICS, not POSTERS. If the posters voluntarily segregate, well, that's just human nature.

And, I might add, optimal here.

<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: dr t non-fan on 2001-12-19 17:56 ]</font>

[Anonymous]

You all need to get a life. Jeez, separate threads...whining about the maturity level. Why don't you try real relationships with real people instead of the cyberstuff.

[General Kenobi (ret.)]

Saying "get a life" to anyone else on a bulletin board is a self-refuting proposition.

[Moderator3]

I have called for a cooling off period on the topic of the CAS trolls/their motivations/who's at fault, etc., discussions.

Let's all give it some space, give Traci a break from reading all about it and give the CAS time to respond appropriately.

Traci - do you agree?

[Dr T Non-Fan]

I have enough real relationships with real people. This is ice cream on top of a tasty chocolate cake.

[Traci]

I'm all for giving me a break!

[Dr T Non-Fan]

I'll give you a break. I only require one thing.

[Traci]

Well - since you couldn't be the 1000th to register and get a kiss from me - perhaps we could arrange one on your 1000th post?

Oh ... that's not what you meant?

[Flora]

DTNF, I know you don't think that's what you're saying, but take a look back:
Separate area for PFKACASP ("Posters Formerly Known as CAS Posters"). Assign a moderator for that topic. The rest of the board can be moderated by Dr T with little additional effort.
sounds like you want us to go someplace else for all discourse.

[Dr T Non-Fan]

Sorry. That was back when I didn't know any better. A long time ago.
I was posting on the fly. Possibly while high.
I still want all topics open for all posters.

[Flora]

:smile:

[Anonymous]

"I don't think you'd have any problems with Space Lobster - he seems to be right at your level!"

CAS Lobster hope Traci means that evil Lobster that brought down prior forum. Otherwise CAS Lobster hurt deeply.

[Moderator1]

I am not Traci, but am sure she was referring to the eesite-eating Space Lobster, not you.

[Griffin 1]

What good is it to have a culture if you do not care to preserve it?

[Mod3: Posts Griffin was refering to have been deleted....]

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[Anonymous]

On 2002-02-16 10:49, Griffin wrote:
What good is it to have a culture if you do not care to preserve it?

[Mod3: Posts Griffin was refering to have been deleted....]

<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: Moderator3 on 2002-02-16 10:53 ]</font>

Again?

[Griffin 1]

This is why 42 does not like me. Although he is able to get people with no posts banned, I am able to get messages deleted just by replying to them.

[Ben Kenobi]

Yeah, but you don't have the power.

<font size=7>I HAVE THE POWER</font>

:lol: :lol: :lol: to indicate that this is a joke, not an attack on traci or the moderators

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[The Drunken Actuary]

On 2002-02-16 10:49, Griffin wrote:
What good is it to have a culture if you do not care to preserve it?

[Mod3: Posts Griffin was refering to have been deleted....]

<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: Moderator3 on 2002-02-16 10:53 ]</font>

Maybe we need a new religion to preserve the tradition of this culture.

[the mole]

I think we need more moles.

[Anonymous]

On 2002-02-16 10:49, Griffin wrote:
What good is it to have a culture if you do not care to preserve it?

[Mod3: Posts Griffin was refering to have been deleted....]

<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: Moderator3 on 2002-02-16 10:53 ]</font>

What good is culture, period.

[Homer]

Mmmmm ... mole.

[Oracle]

Hey Homer, do you like mole-flavor cultured yogurt?

[42]

On 2002-02-16 11:39, Griffin wrote:
This is why 42 does not like me. Although he is able to get people with no posts banned, I am able to get messages deleted just by replying to them.Hey - who said I don't like you? I just asked Traci to ban you from the forum. You got "don't like" from that?

[Ammie]

You prefer mole to lobster Homer? Did you forget about Clampy and how tasty he was? :wink:

{No offense CAS Space Lobster. :grin:}

[Patrick Bauer]

Have we fixed this maturity level thing yet?

[JMO]

Have we fixed this maturity level thing yet?
Apparently not. You're still bumpng old threads and posting, aren't you?

[Patrick Bauer]

Apparently not. You're still bumpng old threads and posting, aren't you?

:tup:

I find it interesting that we have the same conversations cyclically. I wonder if I could find a pattern in the cycle...

[limabeanactuary]

I think there's a higher tolerance for silliness now, perhaps... [of course, I wasn't on the AO way back then.]

[Buru Buru]

I'll take the silliness of 2001 over some of the nastiness of today.

[Listeria]

I'll take the silliness of 2001 over some of the nastiness of today.
:iatp:
Small qualification: Nastiness has been awful on and off since the beginning. I think the silliness is what keeps a number of people coming back to the most heavily trafficked areas.

[Traina]

I disagree Listy. The nastiness is endemic to the board now, in a way it wasn't in 2001.

[Listeria]

OK. By 2003-2005, I was myself experiencing a lot of appalling crap I have not seen repeated since, and it was mostly in public threads. 2001 specifically may have been much better in comparison, but nastiness has been sanctioned from early on. I do think that the level of misogyny and ageist bigotry is at a much greater level and more pervasive than in times past, and this change was probably slow.

[limabeanactuary]

Age-ist bigotry?

Which direction, of the "hey old fart" or "hey you whippersnapper" variety?

I've kind of missed all of that... I think....

[Listeria]

Age-ist bigotry?

Which direction, of the "hey old fart" or "hey you whippersnapper" variety?

I've kind of missed all of that... I think....
I think people are pretty free about expressing their revulsion the old here. Perhaps for overweight as well. I feel all kinds of revulsion for certain things, but there are places for expressing your tastes and there are also places where it's gratuitous and inappropriate, like when discussing a political figure.

A non-"gratuitous" example though, from quite a while back: A young person expressing disgust for the idea -- and a declaration that it would never happen -- that he might someday be partnered with a 40-year-old. I got out of him that he DID hope to someday marry. I couldn't get him to concretely answer whether he intended to divorce once the wife was too old, or hoped she would die, or what. I don't remember what the thread was about, but I think the guy's comments were on the heels of a bunch of other people's, and were somewhat relevant to the topic of conversation, which is why I wouldn't use the word "gratuitous" here. I think the example does illustrate the level of hostility (to people over a certain age) I am speaking of though.

[Buru Buru]

Age-ist bigotry?

Which direction, of the "hey old fart" or "hey you whippersnapper" variety?

I've kind of missed all of that... I think....
http://www.actuarialoutpost.com/actuarial_discussion_forum/showpost.php?p=4436778&postcount=778

or actually the entire thread as an example of hate.

[limabeanactuary]

I think people are pretty free about expressing their revulsion the old here. Perhaps for overweight as well. I feel all kinds of revulsion for certain things, but there are places for expressing your tastes and there are also places where it's gratuitous and inappropriate, like when discussing a political figure.

A non-"gratuitous" example though, from quite a while back: A young person expressing disgust for the idea -- and a declaration that it would never happen -- that he might someday be partnered with a 40-year-old. I got out of him that he DID hope to someday marry. I couldn't get him to concretely answer whether he intended to divorce once the wife was too old, or hoped she would die, or what. I don't remember what the thread was about, but I think the guy's comments were on the heels of a bunch of other people's, and were somewhat relevant to the topic of conversation, which is why I wouldn't use the word "gratuitous" here. I think the example does illustrate the level of hostility (to people over a certain age) I am speaking of though.

It's always amusing talking with youngsters. :heynow:

Anyway, I've not been in those threads. I tend to stay out of threads that would bore or annoy me.

[JMO]

Anyway, I've not been in those threads. I tend to stay out of threads that would bore or annoy me.
I tend to do the same, so I haven't seen it all that much either. (A good reason to stay far away from the reef, not to mention political.)

[Listeria]

It's always amusing talking with youngsters. :heynow:

Anyway, I've not been in those threads. I tend to stay out of threads that would bore or annoy me.

You can see into the future? As I said, this stuff can appear spontaneously and gratuitously in places where it is inappropriate and should not be expected. It, and its variants, can also be directed at posters when they are participating in threads. Is there some reason that in a forum connected to a (mostly corporate) profession and run by a recuiter one should expect to have critics seeking to discredit one's arguments with comments about how they need to get laid, are probably lousy in bed, are ugly, old etc? I think I got the first one slung at me in 2002 or -03. Old maid who makes men impotent was 2004 or so. Lousy in bed was just this year. Liberal bedwetter who cries herself to sleep... probably 2004.

Now that I think back to that era and since then, there is a lot of bigotry expressed against mental illness as well.

[Listeria]

I tend to do the same, so I haven't seen it all that much either. (A good reason to stay far away from the reef, not to mention political.)
The Reef used to be one of the friendliest places in the forum. I haven't been a regular in years -- I can't get the password to work at my work computer. It's unfortunate if it's gotten nasty.

[Buru Buru]

The Reef used to be one of the friendliest places in the forum. I haven't been a regular in years -- I can't get the password to work at my work computer. It's unfortunate if it's gotten nasty.
The reef is not friendly. Flashchat is even less friendly. Since flashchat cannot be moderated effectively, I believe that it should be eliminated from the forum.

[Violinn Beaudorf]

The reef is not friendly. Flashchat is even less friendly. Since flashchat cannot be moderated effectively, I believe that it should be eliminated from the forum.

So because you don't like it, nobody should have it?

[Violinn Beaudorf]

http://www.actuarialoutpost.com/actuarial_discussion_forum/showpost.php?p=4436778&postcount=778

or actually the entire thread as an example of hate.

Those threads would die a lot quicker if you didn't stir the pot with your Quinnisms

[Buru Buru]

So because you don't like it, nobody should have it?


that isn't what i said.

[Buru Buru]

Those threads would die a lot quicker if you didn't stir the pot with your Quinnisms
Regardless, it's still an example of what Listy was referring to.

[Listeria]

I should, add, Beeboo, that up to the time I lost work access to the Reef, I did not see it as a place rife with the various bigotries I noted elsewhere. Partly because it was a ridiculous place where one expected/expects to see some degree of this, where nearly everything is done as a joke (or as NSFW material), and where shock- and anti-social- humor are part of the culture. What wasn't there, except perhaps during the Cavey era, was a lot of attacking of posters by other posters, nor a lot of objecting to posts that were made (unless they were attacking posts).

For reasons I won't go into here, I do feel considerable disagreement witrh "well if you don't like what goes on here, find another forum."
But I CAN see the sense in "well if you don't like what that subforum (or thread) is for, don't go there".

[limabeanactuary]

I don't see into the future - first, I can look at various thread titles and figure out what is likely to happen. [especially when I see who started the thread]

Second, I will look at threads quickly, and I can tell if it's interesting or boring, or just people being annoying.

Third, I actually have to respect a person to be able to be offended by what they say. Otherwise, I just think they're an asshat, and move on.

[Listeria]

I don't see into the future - first, I can look at various thread titles and figure out what is likely to happen. [especially when I see who started the thread]

Second, I will look at threads quickly, and I can tell if it's interesting or boring, or just people being annoying.

Third, I actually have to respect a person to be able to be offended by what they say. Otherwise, I just think they're an asshat, and move on.
The first two are pretty much your examples of how you can see into the future. As to the third, I have to respect a person to be hurt by what they say. I don't have to respect anybody in order to be frightened or disturbed by their conduct or to be troubled by what nonsense they are propagating to other suggestible people about me or some other innocent person.

[carrot]

Would now be a good time for me to make a joke? I've got a good one about old people.

[Buru Buru]

Would now be a good time for me to make a joke? I've got a good one about old people.
:lol:

[limabeanactuary]

The first two are pretty much your examples of how you can see into the future. As to the third, I have to respect a person to be hurt by what they say. I don't have to respect anybody in order to be frightened or disturbed by their conduct or to be troubled by what nonsense they are propagating to other suggestible people about me or some other innocent person.

Ok, it's just that I've been online for a very long time, and have learned to filter a lot of crap.

Also, I am in NYC. If I got disturbed by every dumbass thing I heard on the subway, I would have left years ago. The AO is not that bad compared to real life stuff I've overheard.

[but of course, I'm not going in every subforum here. I stay out of Political, Sports, and the Reef most of the time, and maybe that's the AO sewers.]

[Listeria]

Ok, it's just that I've been online for a very long time, and have learned to filter a lot of crap.

Also, I am in NYC. If I got disturbed by every dumbass thing I heard on the subway, I would have left years ago. The AO is not that bad compared to real life stuff I've overheard.

[but of course, I'm not going in every subforum here. I stay out of Political, Sports, and the Reef most of the time, and maybe that's the AO sewers.]
I am experienced in NYC and its subways. I've been violated on the subway, and had nearly a carful of riders laughing in endorsement of a nutcase hate-preachers triumphant zingers and denouncement of me as a white person -- which IS a frightening and disturbing experience. I've also once in a while taken action to help some other person on the subway, rather than simply averting my gaze from somer situation, and wouldn't be too keen on having a mob of baboons surrounding me for ridicule, as can happen in the AO. I've been bullied, harrassed, and even lied about in my workplace, and met up with either hapless or ultimately indifferent HR types. I am not crazy about seeing this sort of stuff play out in some sort of abstracted version here, for me or for others.

This not a matter of being offended by every dumbass thing one hears on the subway. I did eventually leave NYC but for reasons much more practical than subway riders offending me -- though I don't miss the smell.

[No Fat Chicks]

I think people are pretty free about expressing their revulsion the old here. Perhaps for overweight as well. I feel all kinds of revulsion for certain things, but there are places for expressing your tastes and there are also places where it's gratuitous and inappropriate, like when discussing a political figure.

:iatp:

[Listeria]

I KNOW!!! They are always so out of it, and of course completely out of it as to how out of it they are!!!

[campbell]

Uh.... what?

I'm out of it.

[Traina]

OK. By 2003-2005, I was myself experiencing a lot of appalling crap I have not seen repeated since, and it was mostly in public threads. 2001 specifically may have been much better in comparison, but nastiness has been sanctioned from early on. I do think that the level of misogyny and ageist bigotry is at a much greater level and more pervasive than in times past, and this change was probably slow.
Yeah, I do remember that you had a rough time. I know that Buru also continues to have a rough time. So in that respect, some things never change.

More generally, we definitely need to speak up against the level of misogyny on the board or it's not going to get any better!

[Violinn Beaudorf]

Yeah, I do remember that you had a rough time. I know that Buru also continues to have a rough time. So in that respect, some things never change.

More generally, we definitely need to speak up against the level of misogyny on the board or it's not going to get any better!

True, but the last person you want to speak up for "the cause" is Buru. Her manner of argument is such that even people who agree with the message of less misogyny will react to her. And, having her all over those threads doesn't make the men think any better of a woman.

If you can't see that, well, you are letting you friendship blind your logic, to your detriment.

[Traina]

True, but the last person you want to speak up for "the cause" is Buru. Her manner of argument is such that even people who agree with the message of less misogyny will react to her. And, having her all over those threads doesn't make the men think any better of a woman.

If you can't see that, well, you are letting you friendship blind your logic, to your detriment.
I understand what you're saying, but I'm not going to say anything against Buru or any other individual. Ideally, I would like the AO to be a pleasant experience for all members of the actuarial community. At this time, I think it has become a lot more unpleasant, particularly for females.

[Inconceivable]

I would like everyone to know that I love Listy. In a very mature way.

[ADoubleDot]

Are these complaints basically directed at Political? Or you see this in NAT also?

[JMO]

Political, so far as I can tell, has often had looser rules than the rest of the AO. Occasionally an attempt is made to clean it up, but that never seems to last. I rarely get to political, so I don't really know.

MaryPat mentioned sports. That is actually a forum I have NEVER visited, to the best of my knowlege and belief. Been to Political more often (although not by much) and to the Reef more often than Political, I think, but that was only during a brief period.

[Patrick Bauer]

I understand what you're saying, but I'm not going to say anything against Buru or any other individual. Ideally, I would like the AO to be a pleasant experience for all members of the actuarial community. At this time, I think it has become a lot more unpleasant, particularly for females.

So how important is this to you? This can be addressed in a way that would make consistent and effective change.


I have not been on a quest in a while...

[Traina]

Are these complaints basically directed at Political? Or you see this in NAT also?
I was thinking about NAT actually. Not sure what happens in Political.

So how important is this to you? This can be addressed in a way that would make consistent and effective change.


I have not been on a quest in a while...
What services would you provide for semi-important vs. ultra-important?
oh and is there a money back guarantee :-D

[ADoubleDot]

I need examples. Hard to correct a behavior I haven't noticed. What types of things strike you as offensive or otherwise reduce the quality of the AO experience?

[Buru Buru]

True, but the last person you want to speak up for "the cause" is Buru. Her manner of argument is such that even people who agree with the message of less misogyny will react to her. And, having her all over those threads doesn't make the men think any better of a woman.

If you can't see that, well, you are letting you friendship blind your logic, to your detriment.

I was not arguing in chat when people took it as a reason to completely ignore the rules of this board and say whatever the heck they want. Chat must be eliminated.

As to those threads, there are men all over them thinking of the most vile things they can say against women. I'm just one woman against all of them. I react the way I do because of the way they act. With their attitudes I have no hope of changing their minds. It would be nice if some people would stop instead.

[Buru Buru]

I need examples. Hard to correct a behavior I haven't noticed. What types of things strike you as offensive or otherwise reduce the quality of the AO experience?

I'd tell you one of them, but based on past experience with you, you wouldn't believe me or would make excuses.

[Listeria]

Uh.... what?

I'm out of it.
My response to "no fat chicks" was pretty much sarcasm, or parody of an attitude.

[carrot]

What do you call a thousand old people at the bottom of the ocean?
Retirees who enjoy scuba diving.
An old guy walks into a bar. The bartender turns and says to him,
"What can I get you, sir?"
How many old people does it take to change a light bulb?
One.

[ADoubleDot]

I'd tell you one of them, but based on past experience with you, you wouldn't believe me or would make excuses.

All your examples were from Politcal. A known cess pool where maturity goes to die. Or The Reef which can be easily avoided by anyone. If you show me an example from NAT, I'll do what I can.

[Buru Buru]

All your examples were from Politcal. A known cess pool where maturity goes to die. Or The Reef which can be easily avoided by anyone. If you show me an example from NAT, I'll do what I can.

I was talking about flashchat with that post, not political. I never go to political. No idea what goes on in there.

As for the forum, the dating an older woman thread started out in NAT and several offensive things were said about older women. Several who is hotter threads start out in surveys and lots of offensive things are said about women. Things wind up in the reef, but they start out in other areas. I think the reef should have limits too. It's still part of this forum.

[Harry]

Regardless, it's still an example of what Listy was referring to.
Yes, the ageist discrimination you show in that thread is despicable.

it's creepy as hell when a 50 year old hits on a 35 year old. CREEPY.

[Buru Buru]

Yes, the ageist discrimination you show in that thread is despicable.
that was in answer to all the hate towards older women. as i said, i react. are you going to make me go back there and quote all the hateful posts? really?

[Buru Buru]

So you are 35 years old and you were just at a bar looking for 50 year olds who look like George Clooney?

So who looks better Travolta or meg ryan? I think Travolta has a better shot of scoring with a 35 year old than Meg Ryan. You think older men have a hard time finding a younger good looking trophy wife? I don't think so. Older women are more likely to go gay than being able to attract a young good looking guy. Look at meredith baxter birney as an example, she's old and ugly so no man would have her so she went gay..

[Buru Buru]

Oh wow. Run.

You should be dating someone 25-30. Mid 30s is not "boy toy".

.

[Buru Buru]

the nastier posts were deleted by mods btw.

[Buru Buru]

i can't quote some of the nastier posts towards women in some threads because of gag orders.

[Abused Student]

I have been attacked numerous times in flashchat for no reason and repeatedly after being asked for it to stop. Also had numerous other people in chat ask for it to stop. For some reason the perpetrator feels it is their right. It isn't just a woman thing as this is supposedly a woman that is doing this for no reason to a man.

[Darth Chef]

Mods, can we please rename this thread to :qunq:Drama Queen Issues:qunq:?

Thanks in advance! :tup:

[Inconceivable]

I love the AO. I'm just working up the courage to share my true feelings. Once I finish this mix tape, everything will fall into place.

[Darth Chef]

I love the AO. I'm just working up the courage to share my true feelings. Once I finish this mix tape, everything will fall into place.

Mixtapes rule! :guitarwo:

[Lucy]

I suppose the maturity level goes up and down. There's certainly more negativity here than I would prefer. But there's also a certain level of over-sensitivity to random, slightly offensive posts, that makes it "fun" for immature posters to continue along those lines.

If anyone has brilliant ideas for cleaning the place up (that don't require 8 full-time paid mods, or anything impossible like that) then send them to Tom, or to the mods. You can contact all the mods by reporting any post (the little red triangle). It lets you type whatever you want to explain why you are "reporting".

[Buru Buru]

I love the AO. I'm just working up the courage to share my true feelings. Once I finish this mix tape, everything will fall into place.

can i get a copy of your mixed tape?

[Inconceivable]

can i get a copy of your mixed tape?

Oh I'm making a special tape for you. You like Bon Jovi right?

[Buru Buru]

Oh I'm making a special tape for you. You like Bon Jovi right?
I do. yay! :clap:

[Swan]

But there's also a certain level of over-sensitivity to random, slightly offensive posts...
I agree one hundred percent. About the "over-sensitivity" thing.

But I object to two things:

(1) My posts are not random; and
(2) they are highly offensive.

[Lucy]

I beg your pardon.

[Buru Buru]

I agree one hundred percent. About the "over-sensitivity" thing.

But I object to two things:

(1) My posts are not random; and
(2) they are highly offensive.

it's nice that you admit to it.

[Swan]

it's nice that you admit to it.
When you reach a certain level of maturity, it is easy to admit these kinds of things.

[limabeanactuary]

So people are getting het up about dating preferences, when there's far more offensive stuff in the professional sections:

I have a formula in a spreadsheet that opens with =((((((((((((((((((((...

Is that criminal too? It's by far the most clear way I could come up with to do what I'm trying to do, but 20 parens in a row seems a little much.

:exams:

It was obvious to me that this was posted specifically to provoke me. I'm offended.

[Buru Buru]

So people are getting het up about dating preferences, when there's far more offensive stuff in the professional sections:



:exams:

It was obvious to me that this was posted specifically to provoke me. I'm offended.
people called me lots of names that were deleted so i can't quote them in here.

[limabeanactuary]

people called me lots of names that were deleted so i can't quote them in here.

Yes, and the posts were deleted.

I've reported offensive posts myself, btw. So I know of their existence.

[Listeria]

So people are getting het up about dating preferences
This is not what is going on in my case, nor Traina's, would be my guess. I know of one additional woman who is no longer on the AO, probably in part due to the atmosphere for women. I will say, however, that I am bothered when an attitude of "this is what I like" spills over into "people who are not like that should not exist/appear in public/etc.".

[Buru Buru]

This is not what is going on in my case, nor Traina's, would be my guess. I know of one additional woman who is no longer on the AO, probably in part due to the atmosphere for women. I will say, however, that I am bothered when an attitude of "this is what I like" spills over into "people who are not like that should not exist/appear in public/etc.".

:iatp: or should put a bag over their head.

[Abused Student]

This is not what is going on in my case, nor Traina's, would be my guess. I know of one additional woman who is no longer on the AO, probably in part due to the atmosphere for women. I will say, however, that I am bothered when an attitude of "this is what I like" spills over into "people who are not like that should not exist/appear in public/etc.".

Often times, it starts with people saying "this is what I like" until people start whining and complaining about what people like and that just leads to people getting upset and stating it in a stronger, more offensive manner.

[limabeanactuary]

This is not what is going on in my case, nor Traina's, would be my guess. I know of one additional woman who is no longer on the AO, probably in part due to the atmosphere for women. I will say, however, that I am bothered when an attitude of "this is what I like" spills over into "people who are not like that should not exist/appear in public/etc.".


A lot of those "no fat chicks" posts, of course, are being done to deliberately provoke reaction, obviously. About as subtle as little boys pulling girls' pigtails.

In any case, I'm involved in a blog that involved a troll that drove away many people. I, and others writing for the blog, saw him as mentally disturbed and generally ignored him, until it really cut into our readership. We banned him as best we could. Damage was done with some people.

It's up to the Mods/DW Simpson as to what level of stirring up beehives they want in the non-professional sections [they're not so lenient in the professional sections, obviously, and that's where I do most of my reporting of posts]. An online community can easily dissolve from a variety of pressures, like any social scene. But it can go either way.

[Listeria]

Often times, it starts with people saying "this is what I like" until people start whining and complaining about what people like and that just leads to people getting upset and stating it in a stronger, more offensive manner.
Please see thread title.

[Abused Student]

Please see thread title.

Sometimes the only way to deal with children is to treat them like children and smack them around a little bit :shrug: When being the mature one fails repeatedly, you would get frustrated too.

[Listeria]

A lot of those "no fat chicks" posts, of course, are being done to deliberately provoke reaction, obviously. About as subtle as little boys pulling girls' pigtails.

In any case, I'm involved in a blog that involved a troll that drove away many people. I, and others writing for the blog, saw him as mentally disturbed and generally ignored him, until it really cut into our readership. We banned him as best we could. Damage was done with some people.

It's up to the Mods/DW Simpson as to what level of stirring up beehives they want in the non-professional sections [they're not so lenient in the professional sections, obviously, and that's where I do most of my reporting of posts]. An online community can easily dissolve from a variety of pressures, like any social scene. But it can go either way.
I'm not sure what you mean by either way. Stirred up beehives can sometimes lead to greater cohesion? I know that they can amount to increased traffic, which perhaps is a disincentive to curbing certain kinds of personal abuse. That's too bad.
Of course it's up to the mods and DWS how they ultimately deal with this, and anything else in the AO. They have also provided a subforum for feedback and input, which is why this thread presumably was started and then bumped..

[limabeanactuary]

I'm not sure what you mean by either way. Stirred up beehives can sometimes lead to greater cohesion? I know that they can amount to increased traffic, which perhaps is a disincentive to curbing certain kinds of personal abuse. That's too bad.
Of course it's up to the mods and DWS how they ultimately deal with this, and anything else in the AO. They have also provided a subforum for feedback and input, which is why this thread presumably was started and then bumped..


What I mean is that if NAT is policed so much that anything faintly objectionable gets squashed, people will go elsewhere. There has been stuff deleted before from NAT that I didn't think was all that bad. If that happens too much, people stop posting.

Yes, and if there's too much personal abuse, people also go away. Duh.

I'm just saying that it requires some balance.

[Possibly]

Sometimes the only way to deal with children is to treat them like children and smack them around a little bit :shrug: When being the mature one fails repeatedly, you would get frustrated too.

So you are in favor of beating children? That's what you suggest people do when they get frustrated?

Jeez I really hope you are not a parent.

[Abused Student]

So you are in favor of beating children? That's what you suggest people do when they get frustrated?

Jeez I really hope you are not a parent.

:roll: :troll:

[Abused Student]

So you are in favor of beating children? That's what you suggest people do when they get frustrated?

Jeez I really hope you are not a parent.

And yes, I do believe in spanking in rare occasions. And I am a parent. A thousand times better of a parent than my ex.

[Possibly]

:roll: :troll:

Let me guess, you want to smack me around now. :roll:

[Abused Student]

Let me guess, you want to smack me around now. :roll:

You aren't worth the effort.

[Listeria]

When being the mature one fails repeatedly, you would get frustrated too.
This all sounds very nice, but I have seen you gratuitously baiting or making veiled hostile references to other posters that were not the topic of a thread at all. That's not being the mature one.

[Listeria]

And yes, I do believe in spanking in rare occasions. And I am a parent. A thousand times better of a parent than my ex.
Frustration is not the "rare occasion" that spanking is ideally reserved for.

[Possibly]

Frustration is not the "rare occasion" that spanking is ideally reserved for.

This was my point.

[Possibly]

No thanks. I do not want to end up in the hospital.

IFYP

[Abused Student]

This all sounds very nice, but I have seen you gratuitously baiting or making veiled hostile references to other posters that were not the topic of a thread at all. That's not being the mature one.

:shrug: And if you knew the history, you would understand that I have been the mature one despite constant attacks until I have had enough. Myself and my friends have been attacked so many times without being provoked it is sad. And yet I don't hear you crying for my case. I am not asking for it either because I can take care of myself. I am mature enough to try one more time to let things go. Frankly though, if you want to believe the lies some people tell on this board, go right on ahead.

[Abused Student]

Frustration is not the "rare occasion" that spanking is ideally reserved for.

I never said it was. I have never spanked out of frustration.

IFYP

:shake: It would be fun to watch you try.

[Lucy]

I am a parent. And one thing I've learned as a parent is that it's hopeless to spend too much timing delving into "who started it". When the children fight, they should both go to their rooms until they can behave in a civilzed manner.

[Abused Student]

I am a parent. And one thing I've learned as a parent is that it's hopeless to spend too much timing delving into "who started it". When the children fight, they should both go to their rooms until they can behave in a civilzed manner.

And if one comes out acting civilized and the other comes out whining and complaining and throwing things?

[Lucy]

In an on line forum? That's what the ignore function is for.

[Listeria]

:shrug: And if you knew the history, you would understand that I have been the mature one despite constant attacks until I have had enough. Myself and my friends have been attacked so many times without being provoked it is sad. And yet I don't hear you crying for my case. I am not asking for it either because I can take care of myself. I am mature enough to try one more time to let things go. Frankly though, if you want to believe the lies some people tell on this board, go right on ahead.

I have defended you repeatedly in the (distant past) when it appeared you were being ganged up on. It was after that time-period that I saw you baiting someone unprovoked more than once. My impressions have not come from swallowing lies.

As to your other post, you had linked whacking kids to frustration in an earlier post, which is the reason for Possibly's andmy own responses.

[Abused Student]

In an on line forum? That's what the ignore function is for.

And then forced ignore, and when that is violated repeatedly... :shrug:

I have defended you repeatedly in the (distant past) when it appeared you were being ganged up on. It was after that time-period that I saw you baiting someone unprovoked more than once. My impressions have not come from swallowing lies.

As to your other post, you had linked whacking kids to frustration in an earlier post, which is the reason for Possibly's andmy own responses.

Uh huh, and you still don't know the whole story and very rarely have I done anything unprovoked.

And if you couldn't tell that was joking/tongue in cheek, then there is nothing I can do.

[Listeria]

And then forced ignore, and when that is violated repeatedly... :shrug:



Uh huh, and you still don't know the whole story and very rarely have I done anything unprovoked.

And if you couldn't tell that was joking/tongue in cheek, then there is nothing I can do.
"i was only joking" excuses very little when the target is someone you have along history of friction with, and when the "joke" refers to one of the hotpoints between you.
Nobody has a gun to your head telling you you have to make references to another poster. I have not been above veiled swipes against things people here in the past, but I wouldn't have characterized it as keeping a child in line, and far more importantly, the subjects of my swipes wouldn't have been the most ganged up on members of the community, but more typically the more powerful ones. This may just be a matter of my own bias, but I have trouble relating to your perspective on this.
It's true I don't know the backstory here. But I don't think the person you are complaining about is some controlled master-manipulator who has completely fooled me either.

[Abused Student]

"i was only joking" excuses very little when the target is someone you have along history of friction with, and when the "joke" refers to one of the hotpoints between you.
Nobody has a gun to your head telling you you have to make references to another poster. I have not been above veiled swipes against things people here in the past, but I wouldn't have characterized it as keeping a child in line, and far more importantly, the subjects of my swipes wouldn't have been the most ganged up on members of the community, but more typically the more powerful ones. This may just be a matter of my own bias, but I have trouble relating to your perspective on this.
It's true I don't know the backstory here. But I don't think the person you are complaining about is some controlled master-manipulator who has completely fooled me either.

What do you mean one of the "hotpoints between us"?

I realize you have trouble relating to my perspective, as well as a perspective of a good portion of this board. Many of whom previously thought as you do and then realized they had been fooled. I can give you name after name.

And unless you see all of the posts and all of the crap, you have no idea how the stuff in one thread gets started.

[Listeria]

What do you mean one of the "hotpoints between us"?

I realize you have trouble relating to my perspective, as well as a perspective of a good portion of this board. Many of whom previously thought as you do and then realized they had been fooled. I can give you name after name.

And unless you see all of the posts and all of the crap, you have no idea how the stuff in one thread gets started.
A hotpoint would be a point of past friction. As a rough hypothetical, Zoidberg might make a joke to you about being for the wrong sports team, but I would not buy it if he claimed calling your religion stupid was a "joke".


I can fully relate to feeling exasperated with someone, with inability to resist and occasional swipe, with serious problems "letting go", any number of things. I also significantly agree with "a good portion of this board" regarding what's in the Reef (I was designated Reef Mayor by AO's Reefiest poster at one point). I will NEVER relate to glee in bullying.
I have also seen enough of the posts and enough of the crap to know that it's not all the doing of one person.

[Swan]

people called me lots of names that were deleted so i can't quote them in here.
Yes, and the posts were deleted.
Other than one innocuous post by yours truly, nothing was deleted in that thread.

[Buru Buru]

Other than one innocuous post by yours truly, nothing was deleted in that thread. It was totally non-offensive material from A to Z, that thread.

how do you know? do you have the entire thread memorized?

other posts were deleted.

[Swan]

how do you know? do you have the entire thread memorized?

other posts were deleted.
Wrong. I followed that thread like Jesus freaks follow the Bible, and nothing was deleted. You just brought up those supposedly deleted posts when the evidence of women-bashing that you offered up earlier fell flat. It was kinda like you saying, "Oh, well, there were much worse offenses committed in that thread, but I can't prove it because the mods ended up tossing the smoking gun into the Hudson River."

[Buru Buru]

Wrong. I followed that thread like Jesus freaks follow the Bible, and nothing was deleted. You just brought up those supposedly deleted posts when the evidence of women-bashing that you offered up earlier fell flat. It was kinda like you saying, "Oh, well, there were much worse offenses committed in that thread, but I can't prove it because the mods ended up tossing the smoking gun into the Hudson River."
you mean i'm not the master manipulator that people keep accusing me of being? can i still keep my harley?

[Buru Buru]

i posted a couple of not deleted nasty posts from there into this thread already.

[Swan]

you mean i'm not the master manipulator that people keep accusing me of being? can i still keep my harley?
Who are these supposed people that allegedly accuse you of accomplishing things that are remotely clever?

[Buru Buru]

Who are these supposed people that allegedly accuse you of accomplishing things that are remotely clever?
nevermind

[Buru Buru]

do you like my new e pin swan?

[ADoubleDot]

I see this thread ended up exactly where I thought it would.

[Buru Buru]

I see this thread ended up exactly where I thought it would.
go on...

[Listeria]

I see this thread ended up exactly where I thought it would.
I predicted you would come in here and say this...

[limabeanactuary]

And people were accusing me of being able to see the future....

....don't you see how easy it is?

[Listeria]

I called ^this one too. The real question is "why do we all bother, if not every time, then so often?"

[Buru Buru]

I think I just might be the most mature poster on this board who ever lived. Sometimes it hurts to be this mature.

Bask in my maturity!!!!

[Buru Buru]

who called that one?

[Listeria]

I won't lie. It looks familiar, but it caught me off guard.

I am astute enough to notice your exciting post count, though.

[Buru Buru]

:sg:22K!!!!:sg:

[limabeanactuary]

heh.

Well, I feel positively young now.... thanks!

[Swan]

I see this thread ended up exactly where I thought it would.
Dude, this thread is like over eight years old. What, did you make some kind of prediction way back when this thread first appeared, and now -- eight years and a half later -- are disappointed to discover that your forecast was right on the money?

[Buru Buru]

Dude, this thread is like over eight years old. What, did you make some kind of prediction way back when this thread first appeared, and now -- eight years and a half later -- are disappointed to discover that your forecast was right on the money?
and i was consistently the most mature person on this website over that entire period.

[Darth Chef]

Apparently, the maturity level of those posting in this thread is inversely proportional to the number of posts in this thread. :joe:


... on second thought, maybe exponentially inversely proportional.

[Inconceivable]

Smoked Salmon.

[limabeanactuary]

I have found people tend to be consistent in how they behave, yes.

That's how one can make accurate predictions.

[Buru Buru]

I have found people tend to be consistent in how they behave, yes.

That's how one can make accurate predictions.
what am i gonna say next?

[Inconceivable]

what am i gonna say next?

Something profound.

[Inconceivable]

I have found people tend to be consistent in how they behave, yes.

That's how one can make accurate predictions.

I do agree with this. For example the following are things that I am most likely to post about at any given time:

Something about PPD
Bullying
Past Alts
Mod/AO hypocrisy or discrimination
Something that shows how I am better then other posters: like never lying, being super moral, being the most sane poster, etc.
Flash Chat
Facebook/Farmland
Being angry when people talk about women, especially if they mention their weight.

[Abused Student]

I have found people tend to be consistent in how they behave, yes.

That's how one can make accurate predictions.

Yes, the accuracy of predictions is directly proportional to the number of posts made. Patterns emerge and :horse: So predictable

[Buru Buru]

I do agree with this. For example the following are things that I am most likely to post about at any given time:

Something about PPD
Bullying
Past Alts
Mod/AO hypocrisy or discrimination
Something that shows how I am better then other posters: like never lying, being super moral, being the most sane poster, etc.
Flash Chat
Facebook/Farmland
Being angry when people talk about women, especially if they mention their weight.
you sound cool. wanna be friends?

[Harry]

Noun
Singular
attention (http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/attention) whore (http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/whore)
Plural
attention whores (http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/attention_whores)

attention (http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/attention) whore (http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/whore) (plural attention whores (http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/attention_whores))

(Internet (http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Internet), slang (http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:Glossary#slang)) Someone who craves attention and is not above soliciting it via deliberately meaningless or provocative (http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/provocative) tactics.
[edit (http://en.wiktionary.org/w/index.php?title=attention_whore&action=edit&section=3)] Synonyms


drama queen (http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/drama_queen)
[edit (http://en.wiktionary.org/w/index.php?title=attention_whore&action=edit&section=4)] See also


troll (http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/troll)
Retrieved from "http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/attention_whore (http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/attention_whore)"

[Listeria]

I have found people tend to be consistent in how they behave, yes.

That's how one can make accurate predictions.
I think there are many folks that are predictable, but many who are inconsistent, from alt to alt, from indivudual to individual they are interacting with, and from stated character and/or intention to actual behavior. In that sense, I think one thing that can be "accurately predicted" is a certain frequency of insane surprises. Should you be expected to "stay out of threads" where you expect to be abused or attacked or read something offensively false? Shouldn't the actual burden be on someone other than you here?

[Inconceivable]

I think there are many folks that are predictable, but many who are inconsistent, from alt to alt, from indivudual to individual they are interacting with, and from stated character and/or intention to actual behavior. In that sense, I think one thing that can be "accurately predicted" is a certain frequency of insane surprises. Should you be expected to "stay out of threads" where you expect to be abused or attacked or read something offensively false? Shouldn't the actual burden be on someone other than you here?

Can you tell me which one I am?

With love.

Cinco.

[Abused Student]

Should you be expected to "stay out of threads" where you expect to be abused or attacked or read something offensively false?

Come on girl. How much time do you think we have? Sometimes some of the lies are just so obvious to most posters you just can't bother yourself setting the record straight.

[Listeria]

Come on girl. How much time do you think we have? Sometimes some of the lies are just so obvious to most posters you just can't bother yourself setting the record straight.
Consider the other times, then. That way you might be wasting less of mine.

[Listeria]

Can you tell me which one I am?

With love.

Cinco.
You are a minefield! Covered with wondrous wildflowers of all colors.


:redcard: :redcard: :redcard: !!! Quatro!!! :redcard: :redcard: :redcard:

[Abused Student]

Consider the other times, then. That way you might be wasting less of mine.

Even the other times are just way too many. I can't even count on my fingers and toes the ones in just the last week or two in this thread alone. And disputing one of the lies will create another 10 lies in response.

[Listeria]

Even the other times are just way too many. I can't even count on my fingers and toes the ones in just the last week or two in this thread alone. And disputing one of the lies will create another 10 lies in response.
If that's the case, it's indeed a problem. But the burden should not be on you to sit quiet so that others can continue such stuff.

[Buru Buru]

Can you tell me which one I am?

With love.

Cinco.

You are a minefield! Covered with wondrous wildflowers of all colors.


:redcard: :redcard: :redcard: !!! Quatro!!! :redcard: :redcard: :redcard:

:lol:

[Abused Student]

If that's the case, it's indeed a problem. But the burden should not be on you to sit quiet so that others can continue such stuff.

It is the case and it is a problem but I am forced to stay quiet. :shrug:

[Listeria]

It is the case and it is a problem but I am forced to stay quiet. :shrug:
If it's any comfort, I myself have not come across anything explicitly about you in any thread in a long time, or that I recognized to be about you that alleged something serious or unflattering, aside from stuff like what's in this thread: people like me reacting to your posts or stating their own opinions of what they have seen in threads.

[Abused Student]

If it's any comfort, I myself have not come across anything explicitly about you in any thread in a long time, or that I recognized to be about you that alleged something serious or unflattering, aside from stuff like what's in this thread: people like me reacting to your posts or stating their own opinions of what they have seen in threads.

Yes, because anything that out in the open would be cause for immediate banning. I can send you links to a couple that are though if I cared enough. One would make you really question your side.

[Moderator1]

Due to thread drift, some posts from this thread are being moved to a thread whose URL will be http://www.actuarialoutpost.com/actuarial_discussion_forum/showthread.php?t=194025

[Violinn Beaudorf]

I was not arguing in chat when people took it as a reason to completely ignore the rules of this board and say whatever the heck they want. Chat must be eliminated.

As to those threads, there are men all over them thinking of the most vile things they can say against women. I'm just one woman against all of them. I react the way I do because of the way they act. With their attitudes I have no hope of changing their minds. It would be nice if some people would stop instead.

Because you don't like something, it must be eliminated? Really?

[Buru Buru]

Because you don't like something, it must be eliminated? Really?
no. that's not the reason. i probably shouldn't say the reason in this thread. i pm'd tom about it.

[Violinn Beaudorf]

no. that's not the reason. i probably shouldn't say the reason in this thread. i pm'd tom about it.

Because people are free to talk to you how they would like to?

[Buru Buru]

Because people are free to talk to you how they would like to?
no, i could just put people on ignore in there if that was the only problem.

[Buru Buru]

Because people are free to talk to you how they would like to?

I'd tell you the exact reason, but not sure what you would do with that information, so I won't.

[Buru Buru]

So, someone outed my real identity in flashchat on Saturday. I reported it to tom and he did nothing about it. Yesterday, there were two alts in flashchat. Someone asked who the alts were. One of the alts was me and the other alt was someone else. I joked and said that both were me. The other alt called me a liar. I said yeah, I am lying and that the other alt is some other poster who was in flashchat at the time. The other person reported my alt and it got banned for life. MEANWHILE, the person who outed my real identity still roams free on the forum and was not banned.

This is totally hypocritical. Outing alts on the forum doesn't even result in permanent bans, but outing a stupid troll alt in flashchat did result in a permanent ban. It was a total and complete guess as to the main id behind the alt was. The person happened to be in there with multiple id's at the time. When people do that, it's pretty obvious. No reason to ban me for stating the obvious and certainly not after doing nothing when someone outed my real identity in flashchat.

This is why I think that flashchat needs to be eliminated.

[Abused Student]

Mod1, can we get another clean up of off topic chat stuff in here?

[Buru Buru]

So, someone outed my real identity in flashchat on Saturday. I reported it to tom and he did nothing about it. Yesterday, there were two alts in flashchat. Someone asked who the alts are. One of the alts was me and the other alt was someone else. I joked and said that both were me. The other alt called me a liar. I said yeah, I am lying and that the other alt is some other poster who was in flashchat at the time. The other person reported my alt and it got banned for life. MEANWHILE, the person who outed my real identity still roams free on the forum and was not banned.

This is totally hypocritical. Outing alts on the forum doesn't even result in permanent bans, but outing a stupid troll alt in flashchat did result in a permanent ban. It was a total and complete guess as to the main id behind the alt was. The person happened to be in there with multiple id's at the time. When people do that, it's pretty obvious. No reason to ban me for stating the obvious and certainly not after doing nothing when someone outed my real identity in flashchat.

This is why I think that flashchat needs to be eliminated.
oh, and the outing of my identity shows a lack of maturity as to stay on topic.

this post is just as on topic as the other stuff in here.

[Listeria]

I'll add that BB was asked why she thought chat should be eliminated. Her post about this past weekend sounds like an answer.

I think that given that one can preserve a record of what happens in chat, it is a much smaller problem than it once was -- as long as people violating rules in chat are disciplined. For me, it's a much bigger concern that the person who did the outing is someone who has already PMed physical threats to BB. (at least that's what appears to have happened, from what I have seen so far)

[Buru Buru]

I'll add that BB was asked why she thought chat should be eliminated. Her post about this past weekend sounds like an answer.

I think that given that one can preserve a record of what happens in chat, it is a much smaller problem than it once was -- as long as people violating rules in chat are disciplined. For me, it's a much bigger concern that the person who did the outing is someone who has already PMed physical threats to BB. (at least that's what appears to have happened, from what I have seen so far)

yeah, that makes the person screaming my real name in big bold caps in flashchat even more disturbing.

[SamTheEagle]

Can someone pm me the name of the person outting and threatening Buru with physical violence so that I can know to not like them?

Thanks!

[Buru Buru]

I guess Tom isn't going to respond in here because he knows what I'm saying is true and that both of the people who I'm referring to are friends with the mods.

[Buru Buru]

I sent the transcripts that prove my point to a few people. I think it's obvious to at least them how completely ridiculous what just happened is.

[Listeria]

I'm not going to go so far as to say I agree. I will say that falsifying a transcript is not something I would imagine you doing.

[EddieC]

Can someone pm me the name of the person outting and threatening Buru with physical violence so that I can know to not like them?

Thanks!

We'll have glenn send you a fax about that.

[Buru Buru]

I want answers here!!! :swear:

[Powdered Toast Man]

Who is the person that posted your name? That's messed up on many levels.

Is there any assurance I can get that should someone on here in real life post my name, that there will be serious reprocutions? A big part of this site is anonymity.

[Buru Buru]

Who is the person that posted your name? That's messed up on many levels.

Is there any assurance I can get that should someone on here in real life post my name, that there will be serious reprocutions? A big part of this site is anonymity.
I'm not allowed to mention their name in public posts because of a mutual forced ignore that was put into place after they threatened my life via pm's.

There doesn't seem to be any assurance. The person knew that what they did was wrong and pretty much the #1 rule not to ever break, but they broke it anyway and Tom did nothing. This person has been around the forum for a long time and knows the rules. If I had broken that rule with my Buru id, I'm pretty certain that I would have been banned for life considering that my alt got banned for life for merely guessing that one ID was the same as another in chat. There is only assurance for certain posters who Tom likes.

[Swan]

Who is the person that posted your name? That's messed up on many levels.
What about the death threats?

If outing someone's real name is messed up on many levels, then the death threats must surely be messed up on way more levels than whatever number of levels you were gonna assign for the outing offense.

[Buru Buru]

What about the death threats?

If outing someone's real name is messed up on many levels, then death threats must surely be messed up on way more levels than whatever number of levels you were gonna assign for the outing offense.

the person actually threatened to fly to nyc and kick my ass to be more exact. i forwarded it to tom.

outing is worse because it's immediate. death threats are more likely to just be said in the heat of the moment.

[J.T.]

Are you also saying Buru that you have never broke forum rules in chat either? (Before this whole outing an alt thing?)

I've seen you repeatedly break rules in chat, and you've never even gotten an infraction from it. Now that chat is used to your disadvantage, it should be taken off the forum. As I've heard from you in the past....If you don't like it, don't go in chat. You've posted and outed much personal information there, while said posters were not even there to defend themselves.

What's good for the goose is not good for the gander here in your opinion.

While I dislike you, I can definitely see your point; however, you have too many past transgressions in chat (that I've seen first hand and in many transcripts) that Tom has NOT acted on to have much to come back with in this case. If you'd never had issues in chat on the other side, perhaps Tom would have been quick to come to your defense. :shrug: