Draco vigil

[Ammie]

I may be in mourning...
Hope he finds a way back in. :sad:
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[Traci]

Yes - he was an unfortunate casualty.

[Cannonball]

Darling Ammie:

Check out the thread started by COOS on the WC. Perhaps we'll all be able to return to our homeland, including Draco. Although I must say, I'm starting to like it here. I think I'll keep dual citizenship. :smile:

[moj]

Can someone fill me in?

[Anonymous]

There was a rash of "troll-like" activity this morning (creating a name, starting numerous threads, etc.), and Traci banned a bunch of IP's, and some folks got lost in the bunch because they work with the folks who were responsible. Draco and Flag were cut off.

[Flora]

Poor Draco! I think you need to switch jobs Draco - you work with a bunch of trouble makers!!!

[bertuary]

Draco... if you can read this, go read Traci's last post on the 2nd page of the 'Open Letter to Pird' thread. She explains why some names got knocked off and how to reregister (with the same name)...

Good luck!

[Troy McClure]

Sorry your man is gone, Ammie, but GOOD NEWS! I happen to be available right now. Drop that hick Texan like the bad habit he is.

Pick me! Pick me!

[Moderator1]

On 2001-12-19 16:07, bertuary wrote:
Draco... if you can read this, go read Traci's last post on the 2nd page of the 'Open Letter to Pird' thread. She explains why some names got knocked off and how to reregister (with the same name)...

Good luck!

That post is for usernames which accidentally got banned. Draco and Flag's situation is worse; their IP's are banned (because trolls were using the same IP's), and cannot be restored on a user by user basis.

If Draco and Flag have home internet access through different IP's than their work IP's, they MAY be able to access from home. No guarantees.

[Troy McClure]

No offense, Draco, but you know what they say, all's fair.....

[Maine-iac]

Draco, you have my deepest sympathies. If ever a poster loved his fellow posters, you were he.

If you have to come back here or to the WC under another name somehow, perhaps Philip Nolan would be appropriate.

[Minerva]

I'm confused. Is Draco not allowed to post from his current (presumably work) IP address, or is his member name completely gone?

[Moderator1]

On 2001-12-19 16:48, Minerva wrote:
I'm confused. Is Draco not allowed to post from his current (presumably work) IP address, or is his member name completely gone?


Actually, both, since a troll used draco_malfoy, which is so similar, draco malfoy was also removed.

The username is not a problem. Bertuary's suggestion above should fix that. (If anyone else thinks grabbing that username first would be a good idea, forget it.)

The IP is the big problem for him, through no fault of his but without our ability to resolve.

[Nature Boy]

well some of these issues will have to be addressed between him and his coworker(s). this is actually what should have been done a long time ago, instead of any other strategy. instead of continually posting to the wc that some coworkers of him wanted to shut down the wc for instance. sometimes you have to deal with real people instead of acting like a victime and trying to ask the virtual crowd for their opinion.

anyway, i'm sure he's going through his magic books as we speak, trying to find something related to IP addresses in there.

[Moderator1]

Regardless of what Draco should or should not have done (and I agree dealing with individuals directly is the right first step, which Draco may or may not have tried), it seems clear to me that the trolls' behavior on this forum was inexcusable, whatever issues they may have had with the CAS, Draco, Traci, or any of the moderators.

If they can't understand netiquette, personal discussion would not necessarily have been fruitful, either.

[Nature Boy]

moderator1 - we agree, i like this. i'm not going to push my luck and ask you if you're a woman. :wink:

whoooooooo

[grt]

Nature Boy:

Great Post. you hit the nail on the head.

Whining to the cyber community about your misguided conspiracy theories definitely does not work.

[Anonymous]

Drop that hick Texan like the bad habit he is.
All I read into this is that I’m a habit. Sweet! Thanks Troy, my boy.

Maine-iac, thank you for your nice words.

The Nature Boy,
The problem with one of the posters banned today goes back to April. I have gone to him many times and requested that he stop aggravating the other posters intentionally. He has made several apologies on the Water Cooler only to return a few days later under another alias and continue the mischief. He has recruited others at my employment to help him. One such birth of a new poster came specifically to attack Pseudolus, though Pseudolus wasn’t fighting back. I continually asked him to stop. There are many threads at the Water Cooler devoted to them slamming me for going to them personally.

I complained about them in the DAJL (http://www.casact.org/students/forums/noncgi/Forum14/HTML/002796.html) thread. My two posts on the thread are 100% accurate but in hindsight shouldn’t have been posted.

For everyone remaining, I am not upset that my work IP was pulled. I commend Traci for taking the necessary steps to run this board. I realize she takes a great amount of time in the effort that the rest of us may enjoy her board. Traci posting her pictures and showing up at the Holiday Informal demonstrate how in touch she wishes to be with this community. Kudos to Traci.

[grt]

He has recruited others at your employment to help him?

Is this an episode of the X-files?

Do you need the name of a good therapist?

[Lucy]

Draco, glad to see you made it back. You should check out the COOS thread on the CAS board, too - it looks like COOS met and decided to try to patch things up. Maybe you'll feel comfortable back there soon.

No offense to this board, but I like the public availability of the CAS site. I feel like you have to be an insider to find this place.

[Anonymous]

Lucy, I have put in my request for a new UserName. Thank you for the information.

doctor feelgood (http://www.casact.org/students/forums/noncgi/Forum14/HTML/003072.html)
There was never a conspiracy by DM's coworkers to destroy the WC. To the best of my knowledge, here's what happened. DM went to lunch one day w/ faceshredder and roach clip. FS said he thought it would be good if the CAS did away w/ the WC because so many actuaries wasted so much work time on the WC. DM jumped to some wild conclusions, and posted his infamous DAJL manifesto, where he said "the trolls just told me that they want to destroy the cooler. I can't suppport this."

This is the quote in question from my first post.
They discuss some of the trolling openly and have mentioned they think it would be cool if they forced the Water Cooler to become more restrictive. They take pride in it.
I went to lunch with FS and doctor feelgood. FS and doctor feelgood discussed how they thought it would be cool if they forced the Water Cooler to become more restrictive. They laughed about it.

They are not disputing any of it. They reaffirmed with me the validity of this statement at lunch yesterday.
FS and roach_clip went to lunch with me after I made the first post. Roach_clip questioned me about the first quote. I didn’t even have to reply. FS rushed in and said that it was true.

FS, roach_clip, and I then went on to discuss what is and isn’t appropriate for the Water Cooler. We discussed the PSA on dynamite that FS posted. That was hysterical! I feel sorry for anyone who missed it. The bumping in mass and posts specifically meant to hurt the feelings on another individual I found to be inappropriate. That is my personal opinion.

[Another day in Paradise]

Draco, glad to see you back! :smile:

[Loner]

I always assumed the trolls were managers who didn't want their underlings posting from work. Didn't realize the Bull Amongst Steers had a bead on them.
"You know what that poster says - 'Dead or Alive'" :wink:

[Ammie]

Glad you made it back in sweetie. :smile:

Thanks for making me giggle when it hurts Troy. :wink: {stupid stitches}
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[Franchise]

Ammie, have I been gone too long again? What happened that you required stitches? Is there anything I can bring you? :smile:

[Ammie]

Just some plastic surgery as I contemplate a disguise... :grin:

[Anonymous]

If Draco and Flag have home internet access through different IP's than their work IP's, they MAY be able to access from home. No guarantees.


Bingo!

[Anonymous]

That's the first time that I've seen that DAJL thread. I guess I would have a few questions.

First, it seems to me like there are posters on every BB who intentionally aggravate people in order to fulfill their juvenille delight. If you approach these people and ask them to stop intentionally aggravating people, you're only going to encourage them. The best remedy is to "not feed the trolls."

Second, I sympathize with the poster on the DAJL thread who asked Draco, "what's your point." We'll never know what was really said on these two highly important (sarcasm) lunches. But hypothetically, I'm thinking about what I would do if I went to lunch with a couple of guys, and they said, "we think it would be neat if we were able to force them to make the WC more restrictive." I think my first reaction would be "that's odd." Then, I would say "to each his own, I guess" and leave it at that.

But what are you going to accomplish by posting the details of this conversation to the WC? I suppose the desired response was that all the other posters would become outraged and start screaming bloody murder. The more predictable response would be that the offenders would become even more agitated.

Anyway, Draco's story seems a little too "Oliver Stone-ish" for me. I suspect there's two sides of every story.

[Oracle]

Hey, loner, I don't get your comment about managers being the trolls. If their people are wasting time on BBs while at work, there are much more direct ways for a manager to address the issue. (Unless the employment is covered by civil service :smile: )

And most managers are either too busy or too "pointy-haired" to play troll.

[Hagbard Celine]

I agree with shadow. The claim that the trolls are managers who are mad about the time spent on the WC brings 2 thoughts to mind.

1) Why choose this method to end it? If it's your own people who are wasting time, tell them to stop. Why would you worry about people at other companies who were wasting time? It makes no sense to me to choose this particular method of dealing with it.

2) If it's the wasted time that's the concern, this seems like a hypocritical way of dealing with the issue. It's not like the trolls took a week to take care of the problem. It has been going on for months and the trolls have posted just as much as other people. Why waste so much of your own time, just to stop people from wasting their time?

Besides, if they break these actuarial boards, most people would just find a different board dealing with some of their other interests.

I've never really had a problem with the trolls though. I've found them much more amusing than most of the other posters have found them. However, their supposed motivation baffles me to no end.

[Bob the Dog]

Bob think people too serious about trivia. Bob also tell Black Flag that Bob now listen to Black Flag's home planet.

[Oracle]

Maybe we will get to know Loner soon and recognize when he is joking. But he might consider slipping in a smiley now and then. Only DTNF is allowed to omit emoticons. [g]

[Anonymous]

Well, I won't be making any friends with this one.


On 2001-12-19 16:20, Maine-iac wrote (about Draco):
If ever a poster loved his fellow posters, you were he.Wow. This post, more than any other, has caused me to breakl my silence on this issue.
Draco has a funny way of showing his "love". Contacting COOS and levelling false accusations, using REAL NAMES, is a very unique way of loving people.

I must say I am shocked that none of the "good" WC posters seem at all troubled that a delusional, paranoid, obsessive would contact the CAS with accusations of conspiracy theories, and in the process "out" anonymous posters.

I do want to warn all of you Draco lovers, though. There may come a time when you will be just minding your business, and you suddenly find that some minor little remark you made months ago has resurfaced as the basis of a complex fantasy springing from Draco's mind, complete with public accusations and phone calls from people who are in the position to very negatively impact your career.

But don't mind me, just continue with your games and your cyber flirting.

One more thing - yes, its me. This is my second RF post, and hopefully my last. I killed my WC persona a month or so ago, after I got the chilling call from a COOS member telling me that I just might be brought before the ABCD because of DM's completely baseless accusations. When asked to produce some evidence for his crazy allegations, he had to recant. I don't want anything to do with anything that guy is involved in. He has made me the center of his conspiracy theroies for the better part of a year now, and I just want to avoid him. I only posted this because of my disgust at the inability of the "glee club" to see this guy for what he is, and that they actually believe that there was some conspiracy of "trolls" to "bring down the WC".

I am not now, nor ever have been, "Harry" of the WC. Draco's friends on COOS can probably verify that, but if DM bothered to ask for that info, it would ruin yet another part of his fantasy world.
*** Edited to add the following ***

I just received e-mail from the COOS member who originally told me of the accusations that Draco made against me (and others). Apparently, this person was less than clear in our prior conversations (or perhaps I jumped to a conclusion, who knows, I am not trying to place blame). The story I am now being told is that the COOS member contacted Draco, he didn't contact COOS. So, the original contact was not made by him, but he still made the unfounded accusations, he still provided RL names in the process, yadda yadda yadda.
I just wanted to clarify. I, unlike others, do not like to make unfounded accusations.

Carry on.

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[Ammie]

Check your sources.
I have two issues:
1. IME Draco is not a liar.
2. Does this mean someone on COOS has been telling stories? I find that disturbing.

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[Moderator3]

Nately,

Let's be careful with the accusations. There are two sides to every story. I think it is evident that a troll or trolls are vandalizing the CAS's Water Cooler and have attacked this site. These facts make Draco's accusations seem more meaty. That is not to say they are totally true as you have brought up.

To All -
As one of the 4 moderators, I recommend a decrease in the volume of discussion on this matter - a cooling off period - for all sides of this issue. Mistakes have been made by all.

[Anonymous]

Edited--I didn't see the moderator's post before I submitted mine.


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[Happy Skunk]

Gatsby is Back

[Moderator3]

Gatsby, your test was successful....:wink:

[Anonymous]

FWIW, I don't think that Draco is a liar either. There is a very simple way for us to finally end this argument, on both the Rebel Forum and the Cooler.

Draco - please respond by telling these folks that you did not turn in any real names to COOS, and we can all move on. Then, either the COOS member who called NW is lying, or NW is lying. End of story, and end of silly arguments.

[Moderator2]

I agree with Moderator 3. It is time to impose a cooling off period. Not even any more discussion of who lied or who didn't.

Just drop it. Take some tranquilizers if you need them (or start choosing decaf.)

Actually, it occurs to me that it is entirely possible that no one is lying, but that some people's perceptions of the event are different from other's. If that's not clear, go rent the movie "Roshamon."

[Tobias Funke]

I agree with Moderator 3. It is time to impose a cooling off period. Not even any more discussion of who lied or who didn't.



Is the cooling off period officially over?
If so, who lied???
THE PhpUBBLIC HAS A RIGHT TO KNOW!!!!!!!!

[Pi Man]

darn, and i was reading this from the start like it happened today.....
:duh:

[Anonymous]

Hey, I don't have any idea what this is all about, but I'm just glad that this poster called "Nately's Ho" has been banned. That username represented a thinly-veiled, subversive attempt to tear down the very moral fabric of this BB. I say good riddance to Nately, and I applaud the mods of this BB for taking a stand on this issue.