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Andy Lang
12-24-2001, 11:26 AM
On "60 Minutes" two weeks ago, the major piece was on Hansson, who is the former FBI guy, who spied for Russia for more than 20 years.

By any account he is the most damaging spy in U.S. history, causing the deaths of many many of our senior most people in both Russia and elsewhere, seriously compromising what we call HUMINT--or, human intelligence, on the ground intelligence--the kind that our agencies have been severely criticized for having so little of to warn us of 9-11.

We were also seriously hurt back in the Lebanese bombing of the Marine barracks where very senior CIA people were housed, and in the WTC attack, where one of our major CIA headquarters was located and destroyed.

Anyway, Hansson was portrayed as a scum-bucket traitor, to his religion, his wife--whom he cheated on and of course his country.

He was a church-going Catholic who often prayed and went to confession to a priest who was member of the highly secret right-wing anti-communist sect of the Catholic Church, called Opus Dei. The description on the show made it sound oike it was simply a fringe sect in the Church.

Now I know that Pope John Paul II is almost the complete opposite of what he appears to be in public.

He has been for some time associated with the most extreme fascists all over the world--like Pinochet in Chile and may others.

He has replaced hundreds of priests and Bishops in those formerly fascist countries--who wer fighting the good fight against oppression and poverty--with arch-conservatives obediant to the Pope and aligned with the bad boys who control the wealth and political infrastructure of those countries--or at least used to.

He had two Cardinal close advisors at one time- Bernadin in Chicago and a man in Rome who was once in Hitler's Nazi Youth League, Cardinal Ratzinger. The former died and by all accounts the second guy has the ear of this Pope.

Poiland was under the heavy hand of the Catholic Church for two ceaturies and was major league anti-semetic during that entire time.

Pope Pius XII was, by numerous accounts, anti-semitic during WWII and also racist. Before he became Pope, he was Cardinal Pacelli and moved the Chirch in Rome back to conservative positions and even wrote and helped pass the Church's rules--canon laws--that sparked both World Wars--accoriding toe several sources--notably, Hitler's Pope, but also several other books.

John Paul II has been pushing for Pius XII's canonization as he has also Cardinal Stepinac, who was responsible for the deaths of some 450,000 Orthodax Catholics during WWII, with Pius XII's active help.

Anyway, I decided to look up on Google Opus Dei.

Here's what I found: http://users.skynet.be/sky73819/opusdei.html

In America, we have usually had strong independence--free to critized the Church--in most Catholic upper educational institutions --universities and colleges--unlike the lower ones that have traditioanlly been suck-ups to Rome.

All of that has changed under Paul. He recently appointed unprecendented numbers of Cardinals and Bishops, all over the world, and many here--the vast majority being ultr-conservative--and put the screws to any criticim of cannon laws and the move rightward in any areas--areas traditially that there has been huge disagreement with by Catholics.

GW Bush has sucked up to the Church in Rome and the Pope, big time--for politcval reasons as his dad and his grandad did before them--only backing off a,little when the polls suggest it is a loser.

Anyway, read the piece and see what you are now going to be fighting for a long time to come.

The Catholic Church--long before there was a term 'globization' was THE major global religion--a most secretive place, having vast wealth and influence and controling tne political agenda of many nations in Europe--especially in the Renaissance--the result of which was horror after horror.

It was this very thing that the Founding Fathers tried to prevent when they put in the Separation of Church and State in the Constitution, which has been eroding faster than icebergs in Greenland for some time now.

Now that there is a new pact between the leaders of the Republican Party and this Church--far and way the most powerful one in the world,

You better watch out,
You better not shout,
You better not cry,
I'm telling you why...

It's not Santa Claus that's coming, tonight!

He sees you when you are sleeping,
He sees you when you are awake,
He knows when you have been bad or good,
So be good for goodness sake!

Andy Lang
12-24-2001, 04:32 PM
More on Opus Dei, http://www.odan.org/

BTW, the Mormon Church, along with many other fundementalist groups, aligned themselves with the Catholic church on many issues--abortion, school choice, etc, etc.

Guess what?

The Mormon's along with quite a few others are now rethinking that association...

When you ride the back of the Tiger, sometimes the Tiger eats you.

The Catholic Church has at least 800 million members worldwide, while the Mormons have no more than 10-15 million.

The CC regards the Mormon Church as a cult.

I like the wearing of those iron leg bands. Pain is my specialty--inflicting it usually--on right-wing groups with the truth.

Holton
12-26-2001, 10:34 AM
The LDS position just happens to be the same as the Catholic church on these issues. It isn't as if the LDS church is saying "We want to be like the Catholics so we'll believe what they do." They are simply on the same side of these discussions.

Patrick Bauer
12-20-2010, 12:16 AM
Merry Christmas from old Andy!

Once It Hits Your Lips
12-20-2010, 01:04 AM
Is that dude like Rickson but he actually forms paragraphs?

campbell
12-20-2010, 06:07 AM
He was also longer-winded.

campbell
12-20-2010, 06:08 AM
Separately: some people tried to recruit Stu and me to Opus Dei.

They're a lot more boring than people think.

Vorian Atreides
12-27-2010, 09:19 AM
Separately: some people tried to recruit Stu and me to Opus Dei.

They're a lot more boring than people think.
Until you learn the secret handshake.

campbell
12-28-2010, 03:08 PM
Shhhh

Gentle Giant
12-28-2010, 04:04 PM
Is Andy still around (like, IRL)? I seem to recall that when he... er, "left" the AO, he had mentioned something about being in poor health (and was up there in years anyway).

ETA: I did just find a couple of comments* left on a couple of blogs back in Feb 2010, so he made it at least to the current calendar year.

* Yes, yes, YES. They were as long-winded as EVER. Same old schpiel, too.

ThatGuy
12-28-2010, 04:09 PM
I liked his post.

campbell
12-28-2010, 04:11 PM
Oh, I've seen Andy around at some SOA meetings. I think I saw him in 2009, but can't quite recall.

Vorian Atreides
12-28-2010, 04:19 PM
Oh, I've seen Andy around at some SOA meetings. I think I saw him in 2009, but can't quite recall tell you because it's secret and I'd have to get the handcuffs and leather whip if I told you . . . .
IFYP

campbell
12-28-2010, 04:28 PM
I SAID SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

vividox
12-28-2010, 04:53 PM
I especially like the part where he said that the separation of church and state was written into the constitution by our founding fathers. That was a pretty good one.

micaelagb
12-28-2010, 05:44 PM
Oh, I've seen Andy around at some SOA meetings. I think I saw him in 2009, but can't quite recall.
Was def in Orlando in '08. We had a drink on Sunday afternoon. I didn't see Andy at all in '09 and '10, and I'm pretty sure I would have if he'd been around. Hope all is well.

campbell
12-29-2010, 07:17 AM
Ok, must've been 2008 then. I remember talking w/ him at a Tech Section reception.