That Sucked

[td25er]

That sucked.

[AmandaHugNKiss]

That sucked.

I agree. I felt like it was easier than Spring 07 (not by much though) but it was still hard finishing in 4 hours. Plus I didn't get to check my answers thoroughly so now the things I misread will come back and bite me!

[Requiem]

Totally agree.

I flat guessed on 10+, and there were a couple more that I thought I knew what I was doing, and I didn't get any of the answers. Then there were a couple more that I could narrow it down to 2 or 3, and guessed from there... C'mon guessing strategy!!

Remember, we can't discuss details until 5:00 ET.

[Requiem]

I agree. I felt like it was easier than Spring 07 (not by much though)
Really? I disagree.

[td25er]

I thought it was harder than May '07 by a bit. I wish there was 15 more minutes b/c there were a couple I gave up on that I knew I could answer. I blind-guessed on 9 and I know I got some wrong out of the others.

[AmandaHugNKiss]

Really? I disagree.

I felt like most the questions were pretty straightforward, more than Spring 07 at least. However, adding the stress of actually taking the exam, it easily matched Spring 07. So I see how you might think it was harder, If that makes sense. I'm a little fried...probably like everyone else.

[keeya9]

nice to hear others had time issues. i didn't on the practice exams i did but ooohhhh i certainly did today!

[AmandaHugNKiss]

I thought it was harder than May '07 by a bit. I wish there was 15 more minutes b/c there were a couple I gave up on that I knew I could answer. I blind-guessed on 9 and I know I got some wrong out of the others.

I think I blind guessed about 7. Also, there were about 7 that I was unsure of but I got an answer. Argh! It's going to be nerve racking when I compare to the PAK.

[sqbjml]

I think everyone would agree that this was harder exam, i guessed around 10

[Anitha Desai]

Blind guessed - 8, intelli-guessed- 2, attempted 30 with 90% confidence, I think. Not much leeway.

[cjm18]

harder than spring 07, 24 on first run through, 3-6 more on 2nd run through, guessed on the rest.

[ShakeNBakes]

Blind guessed - 8, intelli-guessed- 2, attempted 30 with 90% confidence, I think. Not much leeway.

woah... that's exactly how my distribution shakes out. :tfh:

[Anitha Desai]

woah... that's exactly how my distribution shakes out. :tfh:
Let's hope we both pass!

[polooo26]

I thought it was harder than Spring '07 by a little bit, but Spring '07 will seem easier after a couple passes through. They're probably about the same. I flat guessed on 6. and I feel shaky on about 4 others. I'm sure there's a couple others I missed because of stupid stuff.

[Abused Student]

Hey everyone. Sorry I haven't been around to offer encouragement but now that the exam is over and I am posting again, hope everyone did alright.

I flat out guessed on 6. Had another 1 that I got an answer between two answers so I took the most logical and closest of the two. I am just hoping there weren't too many traps I didn't pick up on.

[ElDucky]

I thought this was easier than Spring 07 (statement will be edited based on results of pak, maybe I got all sorts of answers that were put there as tricks). I bombed spring 07 when I tried it. Not nearly as many tricky questions on this one. Guessed on 7 of them. I'd really like to see answers because I have no idea why two of the questions I worked on I couldn't get the answer. Oh well.

[td25er]

I thought this was easier than Spring 07 (statement will be edited based on results of pak). Not many tricky questions. Guessed on 7 of them. I'd really like to see answers because I have no idea why two of the questions I worked on I couldn't get the answer. Oh well.

W/O discussing the actual problem, are you referring to #2? Maybe I just missed something, but I didn't get one of the choices.

[ElDucky]

nope

[Anitha Desai]

Hey everyone. Sorry I haven't been around to offer encouragement but now that the exam is over and I am posting again, hope everyone did alright.

I flat out guessed on 6. Had another 1 that I got an answer between two answers so I took the most logical and closest of the two. I am just hoping there weren't too many traps I didn't pick up on.

:wave:
Welcome back!

[tanjinee]

Anyone think MLC and C doable in the same sitting? Exam today totally sucked for me.

[Requiem]

#15? A friend and I got the exact same answer, and the answer we got wasn't one of the options.

[Requiem]

Anyone think MLC and C doable in the same sitting? Exam today totally sucked for me.
I barely think C and C are doable in the same sitting.

[JohnLocke]

I barely think C and C are doable in the same sitting.

:lol:

[JohnLocke]

Are they releasing this bad boy?

[tanjinee]

LOL. Well, I thought this one was significantly harder than S07. I had a good 28 on S07, but this I only managed about 20.

[Requiem]

Are they releasing this bad boy?

Doubt it. I think they are trying to build an exam bank with these Qs, for when they go to CBT.

[tanjinee]

Are they releasing this bad boy?

Don't think so. They're getting ready for CBT.

[td25er]

Anyone think MLC and C doable in the same sitting? Exam today totally sucked for me.

My brain was maxed out w/MLC. With C, I could fit maybe 75% of what I needed to in my brain.

[Anitha Desai]

Are they releasing this bad boy?
None of the prelims will be released starting last exam session. They're building a question bank for CBT.

[glassjaws]

Are they releasing this bad boy?

I doubt it. I've heard they're storing questions to move the test to be on the computers like P and possibly FM are.

[Anitha Desai]

Sheesh, we are all know-it-alls, aren't we? ;-)

[glassjaws]

We'll see. It went better for me than I expected... then again, I was thinking I'd have a hard time getting a 1.

[tanjinee]

Pending the score on this, I'll probably do C and MLC in November.

[glassjaws]

I'll probably be trying to finish the modules and redo this.

[ElDucky]

So what is the pass mark if everyone thought it was hard. 23? Maybe we should just wait for the PAK

[chipper28]

I must have reviewed just the right stuff, because there was only one I couldn't do. That's not to say I didn't make any stupid algebra or reading mistakes, but overall I thought it was appropriate and fair in terms of both length and content.

[AmandaHugNKiss]

So what is the pass mark if everyone thought it was hard. 23? Maybe we should just wait for the PAK

Speaking of PAK...I wonder when it will be coming out...

[Abused Student]

Gotta wait another hour, doesn't it?

[AmandaHugNKiss]

Gotta wait another hour, doesn't it?

Yah...Plus people won't start sending it until 5PM EST so add some time for making the spreadsheet or whatever.

[Dash.]

I thought it was quite a bit harder than the S/07... Got 30 on my first run through, then got answers to the last 10... i will be very interested to see what the PAK looks like..

[cjm18]

I would love if 23 was the pass mark but the last 2 exams had pass marks of 24 and 25. Anyone know of any sittings that were 23 or 26?

[EaglesFan]

I would love if 23 was the pass mark but the last 2 exams had pass marks of 24 and 25. Anyone know of any sittings that were 23 or 26?

Not for Exam C...however Exam C has now evolved into a beast similar to the OLD Exam M which had pass-marks as low as 20.

[tanjinee]

Did the OLD exam M have 40 questions as well?

[EaglesFan]

Did the OLD exam M have 40 questions as well?

Yep. Actually I think it was called Exam 3 when it had the pass-mark of 20 back in 2003 or 2004 (I didn't take it until 2006).

[ElDucky]

I will guess 24 then as the passmark based on very little evidence.

[Requiem]

Gotta wait another hour, doesn't it?
I don't think we're even supposed to send in our PAK answers until 5:00. I'm waiting.

[DavidP814]

Sorry

[td25er]

My personal guess for the pass mark based on nothing.

X probability

23 8%
24 55%
25 30%
26 7%


What is E[(x-5)+]. Wait, what?

[AmandaHugNKiss]

I don't think we're even supposed to send in our PAK answers until 5:00. I'm waiting.

I have them ready. All I have to do is attach it and send! ;)

[JohnLocke]

Doubt it. I think they are trying to build an exam bank with these Qs, for when they go to CBT.

Don't think so. They're getting ready for CBT.

None of the prelims will be released starting last exam session. They're building a question bank for CBT.

I doubt it. I've heard they're storing questions to move the test to be on the computers like P and possibly FM are.

Got it.

[EaglesFan]

I will guess 24 then as the passmark based on very little evidence.

A lot of it is going to depend on the minimum percentage they want to pass. The effective for C has almost always translated to >= 50% EXCEPT for last Spring when it dipped into the low 40s. Had they wanted to keep the passing percentage consistent they would have dropped the passmark to probably around 22. And if this was significantly harder than Spring 2007 (which I think it definitely was)...well who knows?

I can't tell you what the pass-mark will be. I will guess that if that if it's 24 then the passing percentages will be very low for a traditional Exam C sitting.

But in the end it's just a blind guessing game for all of us.

[AmandaHugNKiss]

Eeeeek no specifics! To DavidP

[Abused Student]

To the earlier question about #2:****

Um, I think most of the rest of that should probably wait another hour. I have a rant too but I am waiting until after 5 EDT. Well, actually, since I will probably be too drunk to type it, tomorrow.

[carrytheCrøss]

Yep. Actually I think it was called Exam 3 when it had the pass-mark of 20 back in 2003 or 2004 (I didn't take it until 2006).Yes, looks like it was 20/40 (http://www.actuarialoutpost.com/actuarial_discussion_forum/showpost.php?p=1015242&postcount=1) for Course 3 in November 2003 (http://www.actuarialoutpost.com/actuarial_discussion_forum/showpost.php?p=1260245&postcount=3).

[AmandaHugNKiss]

Yes, looks like it was 20/40 (http://www.actuarialoutpost.com/actuarial_discussion_forum/showpost.php?p=1015242&postcount=1) in November 2003 (http://www.actuarialoutpost.com/actuarial_discussion_forum/showpost.php?p=1260245&postcount=3).

That's crazy low.... Must of been a killer.

[DavidP814]

Ok

Even this is getting very close to specifics. When in doubt, wait until 5. - Mod1

[Moderator1]

You may want to delete your post, David.
Eeeeek no specifics! To DavidP
David fixed his post on his own. In case of problems like that, it's a good idea to use the "Report post" button on the post to alert the mods. We might see the report and delete it before the original poster does. Someone did report that one. Thanks.

[Anitha Desai]

Ok, much more general (I remembered a more detailed conversation last year about an FM problem--all the way down to the right answer, so I thought that might be ok). Did anyone else have an issue with the % question around 2/3?
We can discuss specifics, just not until 5 PM EST. Post after that, and you'll be sure to get responses to your rant.

[EaglesFan]

That's crazy low.... Must of been a killer.

And I think the Spring 2004 Exam 2 had a passing mark that was below 50% and still only 25% of the people passed. They wanted to pass more but they just couldn't bring themselves to lower the pass-mark any lower than it was.

So there is precedent for a very low pass-mark. At the same time, I know nothing about what the Exam C committee is going to decide.

[ElDucky]

Ok, much more general (I remembered a more detailed conversation last year about an FM problem--all the way down to the right answer, so I thought that might be ok). Did anyone else have an issue with the % question around 2/3?

I had no problem with it. Seemed quite straight forward.

[Requiem]

Got it.
I was first :tup:

[johnloo]

Wow, familiar names came out again. Actually I had no feelings on this exam. Probably I just slept 3 hours last night(w.t.f, I went to bed around 10:30 PM, can't fall asleep until 4 in the morning). I just tried my best to finish any question I could possibly solve. I guessed like 5 questions all on X. And there are 5 more I got the answer but not sure, OMG!
Who is the guy doing the PAK? Can't wait, how long is going to take until get feedback on PAK?

[lucas_m]

I don't think think this exam was harder than S2007.There were pretty straithfoward questions but alot of traps...

[akassassinjr]

Look Spring 2007, was cake compared to this. I took that under strict "real" exam conditions and got a 31 even will a few silly mistakes. There were a few very straightforward questions on this one, but overall, definitely tougher than May.

I answered like 31-32 with decent confidence on 1st pass and blind guessed 7 and quasi-guessed 1.

[lucas_m]

I think it is 5 estearn time.can we discuss?

[ebony]

I barely think C and C are doable in the same sitting.
I'm a little late (West Side, boyee), but this is funny and true!

[frrrunkis]

I think it is 5 estearn time.can we discuss?

Was there ever really any doubt that this post would happen before 5:02 EDT? We are an absolute mess...

[GB!]

I think everyone would agree that this was harder exam, i guessed around 10

couldn't agree with you more

[meflower]

I guessed more than 10!!

Surprisingly I did not even recognize some given information.
I'm totally screwed this time.