What to expect the next 5 months (part 1)

[Darth Chef]

... since we all know now for sure that Barack Obama is going to be the nominee, conservatives and Republicans need to brace themselves, along with anyone else voting for McCain: independents, Hillary supporters, moderates, disenfranchised Democrats, etc. When Barack was announced as the nominee, the world media started hyperventilating about how “historic” this is, and how ground-breaking and unbelievable his clinching the nomination is, and so on and so forth. So ready yourself, because we’ve got one hell of a battle ahead of us.

Every ad aired against Obama will be deemed racist. Condemnation of any of his policies will make you a racist. Questioning any of Obama’s voting records, past remarks, “charitable” donations and earmarks, and associations will make you a racist. You’ll be accused of being too small-minded and racist to be willing to support a black man for President. It will be all about Obama and the fact that he’s half black, all the time, and we will get smeared and attacked every day that we fight to try to defeat him. The very fact that we will try to keep him from being elected will get us labeled as racists.

When McCain and Obama debate, McCain will likely be attacked and excoriated for criticizing Obama in any way, shape, or fashion. He’ll be called a bully and will be accused of using questionable and unethical tactics (like swift-boating!). Instead of being lauded in the press for being a “maverick”, he’ll be excommunicated as just another cog in the Republican hate-filled racism machine.

Here’s what’s especially troubling. If Barack Obama loses, it will make Bush Derangement Syndrome look like a Bush lovefest. The media will erupt in indignation, angrily shouting about how racists stole the election, how McCain is a racist for riding the backs of racist Americans to victory, and how America is still filled with racism for not electing a half-black man President.

See, with liberals, it’s never about policies. It’s always about superficialities.

The whole point of bringing this up is to be able to arm yourself. Be prepared, because we all know that this is what is coming, and we need to be ready for the assault. No matter how civil we try to make this fight, no matter how careful we are, this is what we will be accused of, and we can’t let it scare us. The media will try to intimidate voters into supporting Obama, and we’ve got to be prepared to stand up to it.

source (http://www.stoptheaclu.com/archives/2008/06/07/hillary-suspends-her-campaign-and-endorses-obama-what-to-expect-now/)

:popcorn:

[Alto Reed on a Tenor Sax]

source (http://www.stoptheaclu.com/archives/2008/06/07/hillary-suspends-her-campaign-and-endorses-obama-what-to-expect-now/)


Yeah, if I were quoting material from stoptheaclu.com, I would try to hide the source in the smallest font possible, too.

[Heathen]

Yeah, if I were quoting material from stoptheaclu.com, I would try to hide the source in the smallest font possible, too.

Maybe the ACLU can help them with their perceived free speech issues.

[Alto Reed on a Tenor Sax]

Actually, what the hell kind of website is that? Check out the video clip of Obama on the main page. The caption seems to imply that Obama somehow makes a fool of himself by stumbling over some words. Then when udiyou watch the clip, it's obvious that he is "stuttering" because someone in the audience is interrupting him, several times. Is this guy really that hard up for things to attack Obama about?

[Darth Chef]

Yeah, if I were quoting material from stoptheaclu.com, I would try to hide the source in the smallest font possible, too.


Typical lib response, can't offer a reasonable counterargument so attack the messenger and distract from the message.

Keep up the good work. :tup:

[Alto Reed on a Tenor Sax]

Typical lib response...
I forget, who was it that was talking about superficialities again? Just wondering.

[Jack]

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[strategygamer]

Typical lib response, can't offer a reasonable counterargument so attack the messenger and distract from the message.


the point is, your "source" is blatantly biased.

[The Diabolical Biz Markie]

That the media's love affair with McCain would abruptly end once Barack clinched the nomination is not a surprise at all. They only loved him when he was antagonizing the conservative base. Now that he's the nominee, and running against the uber-liberal, they'll gladly portray him as Bush III, even though that's a 180 degree shift from their previous narrative about McCain (aka "the Maverick").

I'm already hearing people in real life refer to Mccain as a "third term" for Bush, so the brainwashing is working.

McCain is a third term for Bush...
McCain is a third term for Bush...
McCain is a third term for Bush...
Now, when I count backwards from 3, you will awaken, and remember nothing. But you will be convinced that McCain would be a third term for Bush.

3-2-1...snap

What, what...where was I?

[strategygamer]

i know we've had this argument a billion times, but here we go again.
he has no plan to get out of iraq.
he has no plan to turn around the economy.

[The Diabolical Biz Markie]

i know we've had this argument a billion times, but here we go again.
he has no plan to get out of iraq.
he has no plan to turn around the economy.

A) He has a plan, you just don't like it.
B) The economy doesn't need the gummint to "fix it". When the gummint tries to fix it, it hoses it up worse.

And, what is Obama's plan to :qunq:fix:qunq: the economy? By my count, it looks like this

1) Jack up taxes enormously
2) Institute socialized medicine
3) "renegotiate" NAFTA (i.e., tear it up the existing contract)

#1 and #3 are suspiciously like Herbert Hoover's economic plan.

[Car'a'carn]

he has no plan to turn around the economy.

Usually economy, turns around much better when left to itself. I do not believe however that a presidential candidate has no plan of :qunq:turning:qunq: it around.

[strategygamer]

economy usually turns around when government has a fiscal policy, and is not in debt up to their eyes, etc.

[Car'a'carn]

economy usually turns around when government has a fiscal policy, and is not in debt up to their eyes, etc.

Perhaps you would support then a candidate favoring cutting down government spending?

[Standtall]

the point is, your "source" is blatantly biased.

Yes. But since the source is offering opinions about the future, if it was not biased, it would not have an opinion and could not write the piece.

I think the piece is interesting. I bet it is also pretty accurate, to some extent.

[strategygamer]

Perhaps you would support then a candidate favoring cutting down government spending?

i do. which is why i'm voting to stop spending $130 BILLION A YEAR (http://zfacts.com/p/447.html) in iraq.

[Bobby Digital]

Yes. But since the source is offering opinions about the future, if it was not biased, it would not have an opinion and could not write the piece.

I think the piece is interesting. I bet it is also pretty accurate, to some extent.

Obama is the nominee.

[Alto Reed on a Tenor Sax]

I think the piece is interesting. I bet it is also pretty accurate, to some extent.
Inasmuchas he correctly identified the two candidates, and seems to have spelled their names correctly, yes I agree it is accurate "to some extent."

Did you see something else he got right?

[carryme]

That the media's love affair with McCain would abruptly end once Barack clinched the nomination is not a surprise at all. They only loved him when he was antagonizing the conservative base. Now that he's the nominee, and running against the uber-liberal, they'll gladly portray him as Bush III, even though that's a 180 degree shift from their previous narrative about McCain (aka "the Maverick").

I'm already hearing people in real life refer to Mccain as a "third term" for Bush, so the brainwashing is working.

McCain is a third term for Bush...
McCain is a third term for Bush...
McCain is a third term for Bush...
Now, when I count backwards from 3, you will awaken, and remember nothing. But you will be convinced that McCain would be a third term for Bush.

3-2-1...snap

What, what...where was I?

You forgot to mention the first phase of the brainwashing, where people where brainwashed to believe that indeed Bush's two terms were so disgraceful that should not be repeated at any expense.
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[Bobby Digital]

They are complaining that the ad will be deemed racist because they likely want to play those B. Hussein Obama ads or the ones reminding us he is black and the RNC isn't on board.

[Guest]

That the media's love affair with McCain would abruptly end once Barack clinched the nomination is not a surprise at all. They only loved him when he was antagonizing the conservative base. Now that he's the nominee, and running against the uber-liberal, they'll gladly portray him as Bush III, even though that's a 180 degree shift from their previous narrative about McCain (aka "the Maverick").

I'm already hearing people in real life refer to Mccain as a "third term" for Bush, so the brainwashing is working.

McCain is a third term for Bush...
McCain is a third term for Bush...
McCain is a third term for Bush...
Now, when I count backwards from 3, you will awaken, and remember nothing. But you will be convinced that McCain would be a third term for Bush.

3-2-1...snap

What, what...where was I?

How DARE the media cover the campaign, including what the Democrat campaign says about the GOP nominee?

Tell me...when I saw McCain accusing Obama of being tied to the "failed policies of the 60s and 70s" this morning, was that the media being biased against Obama?

Both sides are going to try to link the other candidate to something negative. But I'm guess only one side of the story will have you whining about media bias.

[Harry]

That the media's love affair with McCain would abruptly end once Barack clinched the nomination is not a surprise at all. They only loved him when he was antagonizing the conservative base. Now that he's the nominee, and running against the uber-liberal, they'll gladly portray him as Bush III, even though that's a 180 degree shift from their previous narrative about McCain (aka "the Maverick").

I'm already hearing people in real life refer to Mccain as a "third term" for Bush, so the brainwashing is working.

McCain is a third term for Bush...
McCain is a third term for Bush...
McCain is a third term for Bush...
Now, when I count backwards from 3, you will awaken, and remember nothing. But you will be convinced that McCain would be a third term for Bush.

3-2-1...snap

What, what...where was I?
Ignoring the rest of the :tfh: paranoia in your post, the same was said of Gore in 2000 (a 3rd term for Clinton).

[Standtall]

Inasmuchas he correctly identified the two candidates, and seems to have spelled their names correctly, yes I agree it is accurate "to some extent."

Did you see something else he got right?

Most of this (I would change the "every" rhetoric to "quite often" perhaps "very often".)

Every ad aired against Obama will be deemed racist. Condemnation of any of his policies will make you a racist. Questioning any of Obama’s voting records, past remarks, “charitable” donations and earmarks, and associations will make you a racist. You’ll be accused of being too small-minded and racist to be willing to support a black man for President. It will be all about Obama and the fact that he’s half black, all the time, and we will get smeared and attacked every day that we fight to try to defeat him. The very fact that we will try to keep him from being elected will get us labeled as racists.

When McCain and Obama debate, McCain will likely be attacked and excoriated for criticizing Obama in any way, shape, or fashion. He’ll be called a bully and will be accused of using questionable and unethical tactics (like swift-boating!). Instead of being lauded in the press for being a “maverick”, he’ll be excommunicated as just another cog in the Republican hate-filled racism machine.

Here’s what’s especially troubling. If Barack Obama loses, it will make Bush Derangement Syndrome look like a Bush lovefest. The media will erupt in indignation, angrily shouting about how racists stole the election, how McCain is a racist for riding the backs of racist Americans to victory, and how America is still filled with racism for not electing a half-black man President.

[Standtall]

Ignoring the rest of the :tfh: paranoia in your post, the same was said of Gore in 2000 (a 3rd term for Clinton).

Yeah but it was consistent through the nomination process etc... I think the point made above is the change that will occur in the mainstream media.

Also, the right wing flame throwers, will probably warm to McCain somewhat too, so this is not just a lefty phenomonem (sp?)

[Bobby Digital]

Can someone name an attack ad against Obama that was called racist/xenophobic but actually wasn't.

[SamTheEagle]

Ignoring the rest of the :tfh: paranoia in your post, the same was said of Gore in 2000 (a 3rd term for Clinton).

If Cheney were running for president, it would certainly be accurate to refer to that as a "3rd term for Bush".

[RocBoys]

That the media's love affair with McCain would abruptly end once Barack clinched the nomination is not a surprise at all. They only loved him when he was antagonizing the conservative base. Now that he's the nominee, and running against the uber-liberal, they'll gladly portray him as Bush III, even though that's a 180 degree shift from their previous narrative about McCain (aka "the Maverick").

I'm already hearing people in real life refer to Mccain as a "third term" for Bush, so the brainwashing is working.

McCain is a third term for Bush...
McCain is a third term for Bush...
McCain is a third term for Bush...
Now, when I count backwards from 3, you will awaken, and remember nothing. But you will be convinced that McCain would be a third term for Bush.

3-2-1...snap

What, what...where was I?We both know that McCain is no Maverick.If you are going to complain about bias or favoritism or whatever you usually complain about,that should be your starting point.

[Harry]

Yeah but it was consistent through the nomination process etc... I think the point made above is the change that will occur in the mainstream media.

Also, the right wing flame throwers, will probably warm to McCain somewhat too, so this is not just a lefty phenomonem (sp?)
You guys aren't so good at predicting the future. Didn't you and TDBM both predict Hillary would be the nominee? :lol:

[Harry]

If Cheney were running for president, it would certainly be accurate to refer to that as a "3rd term for Cheney".
IFYP

[Car'a'carn]

i do. which is why i'm voting to stop spending $130 BILLION A YEAR (http://zfacts.com/p/447.html) in iraq.

Good. I hope this will be enough to pay for all stuff the new Santa (http://www.barackobama.com/index.php) will bring to the good kids. Click on Issues.

[SamTheEagle]

IFYP

:tup:

[Guest]

I find this "everything will be considered racist" hysteria remarkable considering that, until the Rev Wright issue forced him to address race directly, Obama had deliberately steered clear of racial issues/difference entirely.

Sure, the usual peanut gallery (Sharpton, etc.) will cry racism anytime someone challenges Obama. But the influence of these people will remain marginal. Don't blame the candidate for others' paranoia.

[Brutus Buckeye]

I find this "everything will be considered racist" hysteria remarkable .
agreed - and on top of that, how is that different than the right claiming anyone who was against the war loved the terrorists?

both sides do it - both before and after a campaign.

[notreallyme]

I find it humorous that when the McCain supporters talk about how much money Obama will spend.

The R's have no right (at this point in time) to be pointing fingers at anyone when it comes to spending.

The biggest scam on the American people is that the R's are for lower spending and smaller Gov't, that people still buy into that is amazing.

Is the Federal Gov't budget (and # of programs)
A) larger
B) The same
C) Smaller
since Bush took office?

-- We have (once again) nomiated two people who will increase the size of Gov't and hurt the economy while doing so.

[Aaron Brachowitz]

both sides do it - both before and after a campaign.
McCain already slammed the North Carolina GOP for running a pretty benign ad about Obama's pastor. That would certainly indicate that he intends to hold his campaign to different standard. But all the really nasty stuff (on both sides) is going to happen in the interest-group realm (Swiftboat, MoveOn, etc).

[oirg]

Sure, the usual peanut gallery (Sharpton, etc.) will cry racism anytime someone challenges Obama. But the influence of these people will remain marginal. Don't blame the candidate for others' paranoia.

I'm not sure I agree - clowns like Sharpton probably do not want Obama to win - that will severely undermine their schtick.

[Standtall]

You guys aren't so good at predicting the future. Didn't you and TDBM both predict Hillary would be the nominee? :lol:

I thought she would win the nomination. Did I ever predict it on this board?

[Harry]

Didn't you claim her unelectebale, even though she has more (or at least very very close to the same) popular votes than the guy you are hanging off the nutsack of?


So I was right and you were wrong. Thanks.

[Standtall]

So I was right and you were wrong. Thanks.

You keep telling yourself that.

[Guest]

I'm not sure I agree - clowns like Sharpton probably do not want Obama to win - that will severely undermine their schtick.
I doubt they can plan for the long-term like that. In the short term, the opportunity to squawk at every "attack" on Obama will be irresistable. Just my guess.

[SamTheEagle]

I think Sharpton, Jackson, et. al. legitimately want a black person to be president.

[ShebaPoe]

i know we've had this argument a billion times, but here we go again.
he has no plan to get out of iraq.
he has no plan to turn around the economy.

Obama's plan to turn around the economy should scare the crap out of any private sector worker.

McCain? Hold your nose and hope for the best.

Not much of a choice.

[twig93]

Ignoring the rest of the :tfh: paranoia in your post, the same was said of Gore in 2000 (a 3rd term for Clinton).

It's been a while so my memory (like the rest of the country's) is a bit fuzzy, but I could have sworn there was some connection between Gore and Clinton. Clinton and Gore ... yes, I'm certain there was some sort of relationship between the two beyond merely being members of the same political party...

Oh THAT'S right - Gore was Clinton's VP and for eight years he echoed all of Clinton's policies and never in a span of eight years broke with the Clinton agenda.

McCain has often infuriated the Republican base by speaking out against and voting against things that the Bush administration supported.

[Scott_Lski]

It's been a while so my memory (like the rest of the country's) is a bit fuzzy, but I could have sworn there was some connection between Gore and Clinton. Clinton and Gore ... yes, I'm certain there was some sort of relationship between the two beyond merely being members of the same political party...

Oh THAT'S right - Gore was Clinton's VP and for eight years he echoed all of Clinton's policies and never in a span of eight years broke with the Clinton agenda.

McCain has often infuriated the Republican base by speaking out against and voting against things that the Bush administration supported.

:iatp:

Exactly. However, he is like Bush in ways that often anger Conservatives, ie, "comprehensive immigration reform" as opposed to "enforcing current laws".

His views on global warming are pretty scary as well.

[Harry]

It's been a while so my memory (like the rest of the country's) is a bit fuzzy, but I could have sworn there was some connection between Gore and Clinton. Clinton and Gore ... yes, I'm certain there was some sort of relationship between the two beyond merely being members of the same political party...

Oh THAT'S right - Gore was Clinton's VP and for eight years he echoed all of Clinton's policies and never in a span of eight years broke with the Clinton agenda.

McCain has often infuriated the Republican base by speaking out against and voting against things that the Bush administration supported.
Where does McCain differ in his policies now? Iraq? Taxes? Abortion? Immigration? No, no, no and no.

[The Diabolical Biz Markie]

Where does McCain differ in his policies now? Iraq? Taxes? Abortion? Immigration? No, no, no and no.

Global Warming - Yes.
Spending - Yes, yes, and yes.
Earmarks - yes.
Guantanamo - yes
Torture - yes.

And except for Spending and Earmarks, those are issues that trend liberal...and liberal tools like you give the guy zero credit, which proves the futility of being an "independent" guy like McCain. Whatever he does, the liberal tools will all call him Bush III anyway, so he might as well have not pissed off the conservatives to begin with.

This is why McCain will lose. All his efforts that SHOULD earn him points with the independents (and even some democrats) are lost in amidst the cacophony of ignoramuses shouting about how McCain is just like Bush.

Your average liberal is too intellectually dishonest to give McCain any credit for supporting stuff liberals support themselves, and the independents just accept what they are told, because they don't think about the matter too much.

[Harry]

Global Warming - Yes.
Spending - Yes, yes, and yes.
Earmarks - yes.
Guantanamo - yes
Torture - yes.

And except for Spending and Earmarks, those are issues that trend liberal...and liberal tools like you give the guy zero credit, which proves the futility of being an "independent" guy like McCain. Whatever he does, the liberal tools will all call him Bush III anyway, so he might as well have not pissed off the conservatives to begin with.

This is why McCain will lose. All his efforts that SHOULD earn him points with the independents (and even some democrats) are lost in amidst the cacophony of ignoramuses shouting about how McCain is just like Bush.

Your average liberal is too intellectually dishonest to give McCain any credit for supporting stuff liberals support themselves, and the independents just accept what they are told, because they don't think about the matter too much.
I'll give you the torture one. The rest, not so much. Bush has been making comments about global warming too. He certainly hasn't been against spending. You guys seem to be confusing the idealistic Republican base with Bush. For most of the things you consider liberal, Bush and McCain agree.

[H.R. Paperstacks]

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