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Abused Student
07-24-2008, 01:13 PM
And I have upped the damage to a total of 22. Is that correct?

illogic
07-24-2008, 01:14 PM
And I have upped the damage to a total of 22. Is that correct?

1d10 + 4 + 1d6 = 20 ?

Abused Student
07-24-2008, 01:14 PM
1d10 + 4 + 1d6 = 20 ?

Ok, wasn't sure if it was a d6 or a d8 for the curse. :shrug: 20 it is then.

ldancer911
07-24-2008, 01:22 PM
Anyone seen my fellow dwarf around? Or have any idea what he should do for his turn?

4sigma
07-24-2008, 01:23 PM
By the way, now that we do have SC in the front row pretty beat up (nicely done, wonk), let's try to leave him there until after the remaining goblins act? No sense in making room for yet another one to move up on their turn. We have plenty of firepower to take SC1 down before he acts again.

illogic
07-24-2008, 01:24 PM
I don't even know what he can do.

Besides, I'm not playing. I'm just a lucky charm.

Abused Student
07-24-2008, 01:29 PM
Gimli 12:30 PM - 1:00 PM
Duriel 1:00 PM - 1:30 PM


Both dwarves were supposed to have acted within two minutes. I know I have Duriel's move but I think that might be changed if Sir K's advice is listened to.

ldancer911
07-24-2008, 01:29 PM
I don't even know what he can do.

Besides, I'm not playing. I'm just a lucky charm.

Yeah...all his powers are melee attacks which he cant do. and I dont think he really wants to throw another dagger where we cant retreive it. Maybe he should just delay until after the goblins move and just incase Sir K goes down from the SC goblin he can move into that space.

Abused Student
07-24-2008, 01:29 PM
Do we want both dwarves to delay until after the goblins attack?

illogic
07-24-2008, 01:33 PM
Do we want both dwarves to delay until after the goblins attack?

I wish I had a say. :popcorn:

ldancer911
07-24-2008, 01:33 PM
Do we want both dwarves to delay until after the goblins attack?

I dont...I will stick with my move despite possibly incuring the rath of Sir K and his dragon god...

ldancer911
07-24-2008, 01:34 PM
I wish I had a say. :popcorn:

I will let you have a say :)

illogic
07-24-2008, 01:36 PM
I will let you have a say :)

That's hot.

ldancer911
07-24-2008, 01:37 PM
That's hot.

You're hot :wink:

Abused Student
07-24-2008, 01:37 PM
By the way, now that we do have SC in the front row pretty beat up (nicely done, wonk), let's try to leave him there until after the remaining goblins act? No sense in making room for yet another one to move up on their turn. We have plenty of firepower to take SC1 down before he acts again.

I dont...I will stick with my move despite possibly incuring the rath of Sir K and his dragon god...

Sir K, any comments or pleas for restraint?

And Gimli will be put into auto-delay at quarter till if no move has been decided.

illogic
07-24-2008, 01:37 PM
You're hot :wink:

:love:

Delaying sounds fine, but I mean it when I say I have no idea what I'm doing.

Htebazile
07-24-2008, 01:39 PM
But if the dwarves delay, aren't they effectively losing a turn?

ldancer911
07-24-2008, 01:41 PM
Sir K, any comments or pleas for restraint?

And Gimli will be put into auto-delay at quarter till if no move has been decided.

My reason for sticking with my move:

1. I dont see the big deal to killing SC earlier then planned. If I do kill him they a BB guy will be able to move in which does less damage (what I think Sir K wants).
2. I think since we are closing the door after next round we need to do as much damage/kill as many as we can right now. So if I can do quite a bit of damage to him it will allow our other people to do other attacks next round.
3. I dont think it will kill him anyway since he just got bloodied. :shrug:

The draw back is if I miss he will get an attack on Sir K and I could quite possibly be responsible for his death.

Htebazile
07-24-2008, 01:42 PM
By the way, now that we do have SC in the front row pretty beat up (nicely done, wonk), let's try to leave him there until after the remaining goblins act? No sense in making room for yet another one to move up on their turn. We have plenty of firepower to take SC1 down before he acts again.

Also, since SC2 delayed, if we take out SC1, odds are good he'll take his turn then and move into the vacant spot.

ldancer911
07-24-2008, 01:43 PM
But if the dwarves delay, aren't they effectively losing a turn?

Kind of yes... but if he delays he will be able to act before the SC guys next round. He can also jump in at any time so say if Sir K goes down gimli can move up and close the door...something he would have to wait for his turn to do.

Also I should method to Omega...Please Delay on your turn since you need to seal the door once we get it closed.

illogic
07-24-2008, 01:45 PM
Also, since SC2 delayed, if we take out SC1, odds are good he'll take his turn then and move into the vacant spot.

:iatp:

ldancer911
07-24-2008, 01:45 PM
Also, since SC2 delayed, if we take out SC1, odds are good he'll take his turn then and move into the vacant spot.

True but since we are shutting the door and sealing it next round the most that can happen to Sir K is to get hit once by one of the SC guys. Anything that moves to attack him now wont be able to go until after we go again...the door should be shut by then.

Htebazile
07-24-2008, 01:46 PM
True but since we are shutting the door and sealing it next round the most that can happen to Sir K is to get hit once by one of the SC guys. Anything that moves to attack him now wont be able to go until after we go again...the door should be shut by then.

But the SC can do up to 15 damage in one hit. It really isn't in our best interest to let him have that opportunity, especially with the two archers still alive.

ldancer911
07-24-2008, 01:47 PM
Since time is up I will go with my action and I guess Gimli will delay but please make sure that if Sir K goes down I think he wants to move into the space vacated by him at that point...in order not to let any more goblins into the doorway.

ldancer911
07-24-2008, 01:49 PM
But the SC can do up to 15 damage in one hit. It really isn't in our best interest to let him have that opportunity, especially with the two archers still alive.

What I am saying though is that between now and when we seal the door as long as Sir K is there he is going to be attack by one of the SC goblins no matter what. whether it is the one that is bloodied infront of him now or its the one that is currently in delay. As long as one is there another cant and at this point neither will get a 2nd chance to attack him.

Abused Student
07-24-2008, 01:54 PM
Duriel, the one thing you should be aware of, if you hit SC1 and SC2 is in delay, which he is, if SC1 goes down, SC2 can act immediately and move into that spot and attack. If Sir K goes down, I have to check if anybody else delayed because it would then go by next initiative who would be able to come out of delay next to move into that spot, maybe Gimli, maybe another goblin.

Htebazile
07-24-2008, 01:57 PM
There's a big difference between SC1 getting an attack AFTER Sir's next turn (during which he can heal himself somewhat) and SC2 getting an attack NOW, right before the other goblins.

ldancer911
07-24-2008, 01:57 PM
Is anyone else around that could suggest what I should do. I am getting pretty confused and its a pretty important move right now....

ldancer911
07-24-2008, 01:58 PM
There's a big difference between SC1 getting an attack AFTER Sir's next turn (during which he can heal himself somewhat) and SC2 getting an attack NOW, right before the other goblins.

I dont think he can heal himself though...I think it can only be used on an ally.

Abused Student
07-24-2008, 01:59 PM
I am going to allow a hold on all moves until we get this sorted out because I agree this is important.

Abused Student
07-24-2008, 02:01 PM
But if Sir K used his turn next time to shut the doors, SC1 wouldn't get another attack on him. If you kill SC1, SC2 might get an immediate attack on Sir K possibly opening the flood gates to goblins into the corridor and making it very hard to shut the door.

illogic
07-24-2008, 02:01 PM
:popcorn: This is why I don't have opinions.

omegakain
07-24-2008, 02:04 PM
Why don't you just delay or go with Total Defense? I'm unclear on the downside of this.

ldancer911
07-24-2008, 02:04 PM
But if Sir K used his turn next time to shut the doors, SC1 wouldn't get another attack on him. If you kill SC1, SC2 might get an immediate attack on Sir K possibly opening the flood gates to goblins into the corridor and making it very hard to shut the door.

Ok but if Gimli can ready his move into Sir K's spot if he goes down isnt this what would happen:

I kill SC 1 with my attack.
SC 2 comes out of delay and knocks down Sir K.
Gimli comes out of delay and moves into Sir K's spot.
Go through everyones and other SC's move (cant move into any attacking positions.
I shut both doors before SC2 can move.

Or do I have something completely wrong?

ldancer911
07-24-2008, 02:05 PM
Why don't you just delay or go with Total Defense? I'm unclear on the downside of this.

I dont do any damage this round and wont be able to do any damage next round because I have to shut the door...Lots of damage wasted and possibly an extra SC goblin that we have to face next time.

I do apologize if I am being over complicated about this :oops:

illogic
07-24-2008, 02:07 PM
Don't you need Gimli to shut the door? That is, won't you not be able to shut the door before SC2 moves again since Gimli is after him?

illogic
07-24-2008, 02:09 PM
I don't know what the answer is, btw.

Abused Student
07-24-2008, 02:10 PM
Ok but if Gimli can ready his move into Sir K's spot if he goes down isnt this what would happen:

I kill SC 1 with my attack.
SC 2 comes out of delay and knocks down Sir K.
Gimli comes out of delay and moves into Sir K's spot.
Go through everyones and other SC's move (cant move into any attacking positions.
I shut both doors before SC2 can move.

Or do I have something completely wrong?

Except you forgot the part where there are other goblins in delay that might be able to come out of delay before Gimli. It might work like

I kill SC 1 with my attack.
SC 2 comes out of delay and knocks down Sir K.
delaying goblin comes out of delay and takes Sir K's spot, getting attack at Duriel
another delaying goblin risks opportunity attacks to take spot between Hteb and Duriel, attacking squishy wizard

Gimli comes out of delay and attacks invading goblins but it is too late and now half of the door can't be closed


I dont do any damage this round and wont be able to do any damage next round because I have to shut the door...Lots of damage wasted and possibly an extra SC goblin that we have to face next time.

I do apologize if I am being over complicated about this :oops:

Sir K's point was that he believed there was enough force to kill him. Have you used an action point? If you haven't, perhaps you could use your attack and then an action point to close the door. :shrug:

ldancer911
07-24-2008, 02:12 PM
Well...for sake of keeping this more simple and not getting everyone killed I will use my healing surge and do total defense...I didnt recall any of the other goblins being in delay but I havent really paid too much attention to the goblins movements that havent involved hitting someone.

Htebazile
07-24-2008, 02:12 PM
Except you forgot the part where there are other goblins in delay that might be able to come out of delay before Gimli. It might work like

I kill SC 1 with my attack.
SC 2 comes out of delay and knocks down Sir K.
delaying goblin comes out of delay and takes Sir K's spot, getting attack at Duriel
another delaying goblin risks opportunity attacks to take spot between Hteb and Duriel, attacking squishy wizard

Gimli comes out of delay and attacks invading goblins but it is too late and now half of the door can't be closed




Sir K's point was that he believed there was enough force to kill him. Have you used an action point? If you haven't, perhaps you could use your attack and then an action point to close the door. :shrug:

I didn't remember any other gobbies being in delay, but it's entirely possible. Besides, if this plan could potentially result in the death of the "squishy" :squintyeyes: wizard, I am 100% against it.

illogic
07-24-2008, 02:13 PM
I didn't remember any other gobbies being in delay, but it's entirely possible. Besides, if this plan could potentially result in the death of the "squishy" :squintyeyes: wizard, I am 100% against it.

:iatp: :kiss:

Abused Student
07-24-2008, 02:15 PM
Well...for sake of keeping this more simple and not getting everyone killed I will use my healing surge and do total defense...I didnt recall any of the other goblins being in delay but I havent really paid too much attention to the goblins movements that havent involved hitting someone.

I didn't remember any other gobbies being in delay, but it's entirely possible. Besides, if this plan could potentially result in the death of the "squishy" :squintyeyes: wizard, I am 100% against it.

I know SC2 is, I think a couple of the others are too because they had no where else to move last round.

If you have an action point Duriel, you could delay until right before the SC's attack again and if he is still there, take him out and then close the door. :shrug:

ldancer911
07-24-2008, 02:19 PM
I know SC2 is, I think a couple of the others are too because they had no where else to move last round.

If you have an action point Duriel, you could delay until right before the SC's attack again and if he is still there, take him out and then close the door. :shrug:

Close the door in front of Sir K or close the door infront of me? Or can I close both of them...What kind of actions are involved for closing each of them?

illogic
07-24-2008, 02:20 PM
SS3 fires at Duriel rolling a 19+6 which hits for 4+2 damage
SS5 moves to L7 and fires at Duriel rolling a 13+7 which misses only because of the max defend

C4 swings at Sir K and rolls a 13+5 which misses
C6 delays
C12 delays
C13 delays
C14 swings at Duriel and rolls a 3+5 which misses
C15 moves to J3
C16 moves to I3
C17 moves to L2
C18 delays

BB1 moves to F3
BB3 moves to H1
BB4 shifts to J1, moving C4 back to J2 and BB4 swings at Sir K rolling a natural 20+5 (his diety is unpleased) for 6+2 damage
BB5 moves to E3
BB6 moves to G2

:bump: ?

Htebazile
07-24-2008, 02:21 PM
:bump: ?

You're so smart. :kiss:

ldancer911
07-24-2008, 02:23 PM
:bump: ?

:kiss: We would be lost without you.

Abused Student
07-24-2008, 02:24 PM
Close the door in front of Sir K or close the door infront of me? Or can I close both of them...What kind of actions are involved for closing each of them?

You can close the door in front of you. Sir K would have to close the door in front of him. Or you can do both and not attack but you would suffer an opportunity attack from both goblins in the front row.

illogic
07-24-2008, 02:24 PM
You're so smart. :kiss:

:oops: :kiss:

So, a few C's and SC2 are in delay. I think.

ldancer911
07-24-2008, 02:24 PM
Well...for sake of keeping this more simple and not getting everyone killed I will use my healing surge and do total defense...I didnt recall any of the other goblins being in delay but I havent really paid too much attention to the goblins movements that havent involved hitting someone.

Im just going with this...I have to go do stuff for an hour or so at least.

illogic
07-24-2008, 02:25 PM
:kiss: We would be lost without you.

I hate to say it, but I think you're lost with me, too.

Abused Student
07-24-2008, 02:27 PM
Ok, I assume Gimli will be in delay too then.

illogic
07-24-2008, 02:29 PM
Time schedule for today is

omega 9:30 AM 10:00 AM
Bing 10:00 AM 10:30 AM
Htebazile 10:30 AM 11:00 AM
Sir 11:00 AM 11:30 AM
Goblin SC 11:30 AM 12:00 PM
I'tnodwonk 12:00 PM 12:30 PM
Gimli 12:30 PM 1:00 PM - In Delay
Duriel 1:00 PM 1:30 PM
Other Goblins 1:30 PM 2:00 PM
Tela 2:00 PM 2:30 PM
Miss Take 2:30 PM 3:00 PM
Lloan 3:00 PM 3:30 PM


I am giving everybody a half hour today because my day could be pretty hectic and it might take me a while to respond to a move as well.

Hey, this is pretty accurate if it's on Central Time. :popcorn:

Abused Student
07-24-2008, 02:33 PM
SS5 shoots at Duriel and rolls a 10+6 which misses
SS3 moves to M7 and shoots at Duriel and rolls a 13+6 which misses

C14 swings at Duriel and rolls an 11+5 which misses


BB1 moves to G3
BB5 moves to F3
BB7 moves to G4
BB8 moves to H2

All other non-SC goblins delay

Htebazile
07-24-2008, 02:35 PM
SS5 shoots at Duriel and rolls a 10+6 which misses
SS3 moves to M7 and shoots at Duriel and rolls a 13+6 which misses

C14 swings at Duriel and rolls an 11+5 which misses


BB1 moves to G3
BB5 moves to F3
BB7 moves to G4
BB8 moves to J2

All other non-SC goblins delay

Isn't C4 in J2 already? And your new map seems to have BB7 in J4, not G4...

Abused Student
07-24-2008, 02:36 PM
New map with modified times.

ldancer911
07-24-2008, 02:36 PM
I hate to say it, but I think you're lost with me, too.

But you make being lost so much more enjoyable.

Abused Student
07-24-2008, 02:37 PM
Isn't C4 in J2 already?

Yes, I meant H2

illogic
07-24-2008, 02:40 PM
But you make being lost so much more enjoyable.

Aw. :kiss:

Abused Student
07-24-2008, 02:49 PM
Tela 2:45 PM - 3:15 PM
Miss Take 3:15 PM - 3:45 PM
Lloan 3:45 PM - 4:15 PM
omega 4:15 PM - 4:45 PM
Bing 4:45 PM - 5:15 PM

illogic
07-24-2008, 03:13 PM
:yawn:

J.T.
07-24-2008, 03:14 PM
OK, so are we hitting again?

I'm sorta lost without being part of the discussion.

Abused Student
07-24-2008, 03:15 PM
Tela's turn is almost up, someone want to decide something for her?

J.T.
07-24-2008, 03:15 PM
I can sub in for Tela, but I need to know what the plan is right now.

ldancer911
07-24-2008, 03:19 PM
I think the plan is to shut the door after this round and then go seal the other door. I cant really offer any suggestions on what to attack since everyone seemed to not like the idea of me hitting and possibly killing SC1 and it seems everythign that held when I went holds no so I dont really know what to do.

J.T.
07-24-2008, 03:19 PM
OK, so really? I'm the only one here with no clear discussion of what we are doing?

J.T.
07-24-2008, 03:20 PM
OK, AS, which SC's are in delay?

illogic
07-24-2008, 03:20 PM
Yeah, pretty much. That's how ldancer was earlier, too.

illogic
07-24-2008, 03:20 PM
OK, AS, which SC's are in delay?

SC2

ldancer911
07-24-2008, 03:21 PM
SC2 is the only SC in delay. If you/she isnt worried about lossing another dagger you could probably take out C18 for fun.

J.T.
07-24-2008, 03:22 PM
Do we know how many hit points SC1 has left?

J.T.
07-24-2008, 03:22 PM
And sorry AS, I'll do both of us quickly.

Abused Student
07-24-2008, 03:23 PM
She could also move up in front of Hteb and take out an archer. :shrug:

illogic
07-24-2008, 03:24 PM
Do we know how many hit points SC1 has left?

I don't think he's too far past bloodied. But Hteb was tracking that stuff.

ldancer911
07-24-2008, 03:24 PM
She could also move up in front of Hteb and take out an archer. :shrug:

I didnt think there was enough range to hit an archer...but if there is I would say do this. Maybe doing sly flourish to move out of the way after and Miss Take can do the same thing (if necessary).

illogic
07-24-2008, 03:26 PM
I didnt think there was enough range to hit an archer...but if there is I would say do this. Maybe doing sly flourish to move out of the way after and Miss Take can do the same thing (if necessary).

The one archer moved, I think into range.

ldancer911
07-24-2008, 03:26 PM
I don't think he's too far past bloodied. But Hteb was tracking that stuff.

I thought he was bloodied before wonk did 20 points of damage or whatever. I am guessing he is between 20-30 HP but that is pretty much a shot in the dark guess by me.

J.T.
07-24-2008, 03:26 PM
She could also move up in front of Hteb and take out an archer. :shrug:
I get that AS, but does it create complications for retreat? That's what I didn't quite understand from trying to catch up.

ldancer911
07-24-2008, 03:27 PM
I get that AS, but does it create complications for retreat? That's what I didn't quite understand from trying to catch up.

I wouldnt worry too much about what is going on behind me, Sir K and Gimli in terms of retreating. After we get the door shut we can move to however we want.

illogic
07-24-2008, 03:28 PM
This just barely hits but it hits hard, causing 19 points of damage. SC1 is now bloodied.

:bump: Wonk's hit.

J.T.
07-24-2008, 03:30 PM
OK, then move Tela up to in front of Hteb. If she has line of sight on SS3 (no penalty), SF on him. Else do it on SS5.

illogic...+8 vs AC
1d4 +7 damage
Please. :kiss:

Htebazile
07-24-2008, 03:30 PM
He had taken 18 points of acid damage a while back, so he's taken 38 total. From previous experience, I would guess his total hp at between 50 and 60.

J.T.
07-24-2008, 03:31 PM
Thanks Hteb.

ldancer911
07-24-2008, 03:31 PM
:bump: Wonk's hit.

I am going to be kind of annoyed if SC1 had more then 35 HP during my turn. When I did my attack on him I thought that he had enough HP where I wouldnt kill him but I would do quite a bit of damage and make it easier for our range guys to do other attacks. The way people responded as if my attack was going to kill him so I reconsidered and did something else...hence all the confusion.

I also thought he has 80+ hp so I could be quite wrong...which I often am.

Abused Student
07-24-2008, 03:32 PM
The only implications for the people in the back would be if someone has to make an attack while they are double up in a cell. Then they get a penalty to their attack rolls. Otherwise, you are free to move however you need to.

illogic
07-24-2008, 03:36 PM
OK, then move Tela up to in front of Hteb. If she has line of sight on SS3 (no penalty), SF on him. Else do it on SS5.

illogic...+8 vs AC
1d4 +7 damage
Please. :kiss:

:tfh:

Attack: 8 + 8 vs AC :-(
Damage: 4 + 7

:kiss:

Abused Student
07-24-2008, 03:41 PM
:tfh:

Attack: 8 + 8 vs AC :-(
Damage: 4 + 7

:kiss:

16 vs AC just barely hits SS3. The dagger knicks the goblins neck and blood starts pouring down his neck and onto his chest. His vision seems a little cloudy but somehow he stays upright, hoping for one last arrow that he can shoot at these infidels.

J.T.
07-24-2008, 03:42 PM
Which one AS?

illogic
07-24-2008, 03:43 PM
16 vs AC just barely hits. The dagger knicks the goblins neck and blood starts pouring down his neck and onto his chest. His vision seems a little cloudy but somehow he stays upright, hoping for one last arrow that he can shoot at these infidels.

:clap: I knew it was close.

J.T.
07-24-2008, 03:45 PM
Hteb, any idea on counts of the SS's?

Abused Student
07-24-2008, 03:47 PM
Which one AS?

SS3, sorry. She was able to hit him without any penalty after he moved.

Htebazile
07-24-2008, 03:48 PM
I want to say they start at 30-32, so SS3 has to be just barely hanging on.

No, wait, that can't be right. I need to see how much SS2 took before croaking.

Nope, I was right the first time. They start at 30-32.

4sigma
07-24-2008, 03:53 PM
Checking in briefly between meetings.

Thanks very much for not taking down SC1. Sir K would very much appreciate if SC1 not killed before Sir K's next turn, as another attack on Sir K could easily drop him. If Sir K's space is then occupied by goblins, we may have serious problems getting the doors shut. The most important thing for us to do right now is NOT to kill SC1. It's to get the doors shut so that we don't all die.

Suggest:

Those with ranged attacks (except omega) fire away at targets of their choosing that aren't adjacent to Sir or Duriel.
Duriel delays until just before Sir's initiative, and then shuts his door. DO NOT KILL SC1. (Otherwise goblins will come out of delay and if Sir gets dropped, goblins will occupy that space, potentialy making it very, very, very difficult to get these doors shut.)
On Sir's turn, he'll unload his remaining powers on the goblins. SC1 may well go down from this. Regardless, we will get the door shut.
Omega now comes out of delay and seals the door.
We rest

Abused Student
07-24-2008, 03:55 PM
Notice those big words in red. That must mean they were sarcastic, right? :D

illogic
07-24-2008, 03:56 PM
Notice those big words in red. That must mean they were sarcastic, right? :D

I'd assume that. I thought 1/2 the party wanted to die. :shrug:

J.T.
07-24-2008, 03:57 PM
Um Siggy...no goblins that are big can come out of delay (at least not an SC)...the only one that could would be a BB.

J.T.
07-24-2008, 03:57 PM
Um, I'm still trying to figure out how many hit points the SS's have left....please bear with me unless our DM would like to give me an estimate. :D

illogic
07-24-2008, 03:58 PM
I want to say they start at 30-32, so SS3 has to be just barely hanging on.

No, wait, that can't be right. I need to see how much SS2 took before croaking.

Nope, I was right the first time. They start at 30-32.

:rofl: You're awesome, Hteb! :kiss:

omegakain
07-24-2008, 03:58 PM
Ok, so which one do you want me to attack?

PSU2002
07-24-2008, 03:59 PM
Um Siggy...no goblins that are big can come out of delay (at least not an SC)...the only one that could would be a BB.

:tfh: I thought SC2 was still in delay...

Htebazile
07-24-2008, 04:00 PM
Um, I'm still trying to figure out how many hit points the SS's have left....please bear with me unless our DM would like to give me an estimate. :D

SS3 has taken 29 hp of damage, so he's at around 1-3.

I still haven't checked SS5.

illogic
07-24-2008, 04:00 PM
Um Siggy...no goblins that are big can come out of delay (at least not an SC)...the only one that could would be a BB.

SC2 could, I believe.

Htebazile
07-24-2008, 04:04 PM
I think SS5 has only been hit once (my last turn), so he's probably at 19-21 hp.

Abused Student
07-24-2008, 04:06 PM
I think SS5 has only been hit once (my last turn), so he's probably at 19-21 hp.

I have him down as being hit twice, once for 8, once for 11.

Htebazile
07-24-2008, 04:06 PM
FYI, I will be using Scorching Burst again, which, if it hits, WILL take out SS3 (minimum damage is 5) but not SS5 unless he's already been hit again (maximum damage is 11).

Htebazile
07-24-2008, 04:07 PM
I have him down as being hit twice, once for 8, once for 11.

When did he get hit the first time?

J.T.
07-24-2008, 04:07 PM
SC2 could, I believe.
SC2 could come out of delay, but he has no where to go to get to front line. That's what I was saying.

J.T.
07-24-2008, 04:08 PM
I found it...AS is right. SS5 has 19 pts of damage (skimming very quickly).

Htebazile
07-24-2008, 04:09 PM
Okay, so SS5 is at 11-13 hp. I still can't take him out alone.

J.T.
07-24-2008, 04:09 PM
OK, I want to SF on SS5...

19+8 vs AC
4+7 damage woot! my damage dice are back! :clap:

Htebazile
07-24-2008, 04:12 PM
That should put SS5 at 1-2 hp, assuming he's not dead. That means that I might be able to take SS3 and SS5 out at once with a scorching burst. Is anyone opposed to having Lloan, Bing, and omega delay to let me try (especially since it would not require using any arrows or daggers)?

Abused Student
07-24-2008, 04:15 PM
OK, I want to SF on SS5...

19+8 vs AC
4+7 damage woot! my damage dice are back! :clap:

This dagger plunges into the goblins neck. For now it is holding in the flow of blood though but as soon as it moves, the blood will be spurting everywhere. The goblin is trying desperately to exact one last arrow of revenge before dying.

Htebazile
07-24-2008, 04:17 PM
:anxiouslywaitingforherturntotoastthings:

BingBoing
07-24-2008, 04:26 PM
Do we still have dragon breathe and any other sort of AOE?

J.T.
07-24-2008, 04:27 PM
Ok, delay Lloan, delay Bing...what about omega?

If he's good, I don't see why they wouldn't mind delaying so you can go.

But AS, no letting the goblins go yet, they want to come out of delay.

J.T.
07-24-2008, 04:28 PM
Yes, Sir K still has Dragon Breath.

illogic
07-24-2008, 04:28 PM
Omega has to delay. He's got the wand.

omegakain
07-24-2008, 04:30 PM
Of course I'm delaying.

Htebazile
07-24-2008, 04:30 PM
Yay! :clap:

Scorching burst on SS5:

Attack on SS5 = 14+5 vs Reflex
Attack on SS3 = 13+5 vs Reflex
Damage = 5+5
Result? Should be two dead gobbies.

Abused Student
07-24-2008, 04:37 PM
Yay! :clap:

Scorching burst on SS5:

Attack on SS5 = 14+5 vs Reflex
Attack on SS3 = 13+5 vs Reflex
Damage = 5+5
Result? Should be two dead gobbies.

Two goblin bratwursts, grilled to perfection, black and crispy. They are so crispy one doesn't even topple over but they are both gone.

Linus
07-24-2008, 04:37 PM
Hey, I never said I would delay!!!

:swear:

Delay.

illogic
07-24-2008, 04:38 PM
Two goblin bratwursts, grilled to perfection, black and crispy. They are so crispy one doesn't even topple over but they are both gone.

Mmm... brats.

illogic
07-24-2008, 04:39 PM
Hey, I never said I would delay!!!

:swear:

Delay.

Then get here before your turn is over!

:judge:

:lol:

Htebazile
07-24-2008, 04:39 PM
Hey, I never said I would delay!!!

:swear:

Delay.

But you can go now. In fact, you SHOULD go now.

Abused Student
07-24-2008, 04:39 PM
Lloan, Bing, you can act however you want now before the doors are shut.

illogic
07-24-2008, 04:41 PM
But you can go now. In fact, you SHOULD go now.

But don't attack anything in the front row!!!

ldancer911
07-24-2008, 04:42 PM
But don't attack anything in the front row!!!

I would probably be best to wait for Sir K to move and shut his door and then take out any C guys that you can...no point in starting to damage another big guy since we wont be around to kill it.

Linus
07-24-2008, 04:42 PM
Is there an updated map?

Abused Student
07-24-2008, 04:44 PM
My suggestion might be to get the two rangers to gang up on someone they might be able to take down together and not waste arrows on the little guys. :shrug:

Linus
07-24-2008, 04:46 PM
But don't attack anything in the front row!!!

Not SC1?

PSU2002
07-24-2008, 04:47 PM
Not SC1?

:roll:

4sigma
07-24-2008, 04:47 PM
OK, back from lunch. Have calmed down slightly now. Sorry for shouting earlier. Am catching up on the thread now to understand the status.

Htebazile
07-24-2008, 04:47 PM
My suggestion might be to get the two rangers to gang up on someone they might be able to take down together and not waste arrows on the little guys. :shrug:

I would suggest BB7. I don't think they have all that many hp (definitely less than the SC), so you and Bing might be able to take him out. Even if you can't, :shrug:

Htebazile
07-24-2008, 04:49 PM
OK, back from lunch. Have calmed down slightly now. Sorry for shouting earlier. Am catching up on the thread now to understand the status.

The archers are dead. All the other goblins are gathered around the doors. You, Lloan, Bing, Gimli, and omega can all act (I think) before SC1 can attack you.

Status update complete.

Linus
07-24-2008, 04:50 PM
:roll:

Hey, do you want me to move quick or not?

Just don't have the time right now to go back and read...

illogic
07-24-2008, 04:50 PM
The archers are dead. All the other goblins are gathered around the doors. You, Lloan, Bing, Gimli, and omega can all act (I think) before SC1 can attack you.

Status update complete.

:iatsu:

illogic
07-24-2008, 04:51 PM
Hey, do you want me to move quick or not?

Just don't have the time right now to go back and read...

I agree with the BB7 suggestion.

Htebazile
07-24-2008, 04:52 PM
I agree with the BB7 suggestion.

:tup: Thanks, babe.

J.T.
07-24-2008, 04:53 PM
I still think we should kill SC1.

No SC can get there, they've all moved except SC2. The only thing that can get there is a small one...maybe a BB on delay.

Linus
07-24-2008, 04:54 PM
I use careful shot on BB7.

Attack is 1d20 + 10 = 19 + 10 = 29
Damage is 1d10 + 4 = 4 + 4 = 8

Htebazile
07-24-2008, 04:54 PM
I still think we should kill SC1.

No SC can get there, they've all moved except SC2. The only thing that can get there is a small one...maybe a BB on delay.

But why wouldn't SC2 be able to get there if he comes off delay? (Honestly curious.)

ldancer911
07-24-2008, 04:56 PM
But why wouldn't SC2 be able to get there if he comes off delay? (Honestly curious.)

I think he would be able to move through and attack Sir K...he wouldnt be able to move to our side of the door however.

PSU2002
07-24-2008, 04:56 PM
I still think we should kill SC1.

No SC can get there, they've all moved except SC2. The only thing that can get there is a small one...maybe a BB on delay.

couldn't sc2 squeeze behind c14 and get around him into the spot SC1 is in? Not sure if this would cause an opportunity attack on him or not but even so it would allow him an attack. Or can he not move at all because other gobbies are in his way?

J.T.
07-24-2008, 04:56 PM
But why wouldn't SC2 be able to get there if he comes off delay? (Honestly curious.)
How's he gonna get around all the other goblins?

J.T.
07-24-2008, 04:57 PM
AS, can SC2 squeeze through all those other goblins?

I don't think we want to come back here with 5 SC goblins either.

Abused Student
07-24-2008, 04:57 PM
I use careful shot on BB7.

Attack is 1d20 + 10 = 19 + 10 = 29
Damage is 1d10 + 4 = 4 + 4 = 8

BB7 is just sitting there whistling a happy tune waiting his turn when out of nowhere an arrow hits him. :swear: How inconsiderate. And he got blood on his book too.

ldancer911
07-24-2008, 04:57 PM
How's he gonna get around all the other goblins?

If there is an open space they can move through each other to get to it similar to what we can do. They can also have 2 goblins in a single space but suffer a penalty when attacking...I think.

Htebazile
07-24-2008, 04:58 PM
couldn't sc2 squeeze behind c14 and get around him into the spot SC1 is in? Not sure if this would cause an opportunity attack on him or not but even so it would allow him an attack. Or can he not move at all because other gobbies are in his way?

Well, we're allowed to shift in our squares to let each other move around, so I assumed the gobbies could too. Besides, in my head, the C gobbies are really small (like 2'-3' tall), which means there would theoretically be plenty of room to walk around them in a 5'x5' square. :shrug:

J.T.
07-24-2008, 05:00 PM
Ok, call me stupid. I'm closing to being prone at the moment anyway, so I'll just shut up.

I just really didn't want to come in here facing 5 of these SC guys next time, especially being short on daggers.

Abused Student
07-24-2008, 05:01 PM
AS, can SC2 squeeze through all those other goblins?

I don't think we want to come back here with 5 SC goblins either.

Allies do not interupt your movement so SC2 could easily make his way through those other goblins and get to where SC1 is. Just like if Lloan wanted to move up to the front of the battle, he could do that too. Just because Bing and Tela and Miss Take and Hteb are next to each other doesn't prevent him from getting through.

BingBoing
07-24-2008, 05:01 PM
I still sort of think we can take them all, so I don't see why we are so dead set on closing the door.

4sigma
07-24-2008, 05:01 PM
AS, can SC2 squeeze through all those other goblins?

I don't think we want to come back here with 5 SC goblins either.

One can move through one's allies at will. It is enemies that constrain movement.

Htebazile
07-24-2008, 05:02 PM
I still sort of think we can take them all, so I don't see why we are so dead set on closing the door.

Because, unlike the rest of us, Sir K doesn't seem to have a death wish. :shake:

You're up, btw, if you want.

illogic
07-24-2008, 05:02 PM
I think he would be able to move through and attack Sir K...he wouldnt be able to move to our side of the door however.

I agree with this. But if he does kill Sir K, then all those other goblins can come out delay and flood y'all.

4sigma
07-24-2008, 05:03 PM
In case anyone isn't aware of this, Sir K has 6 hp at the moment. (or maybe 8, if he got +2 from omega recently. I have to check.)

Any attack that drops Sir K (a hit from an SC goblin will do 8 points of damage the vast majority of the time) will potentially unleash a flood of goblins into this corridor and has a very high potential to kill several of us, though perhaps not all.

Htebazile
07-24-2008, 05:04 PM
In case anyone isn't aware of this, Sir K has 6 hp at the moment. Any attack that drops Sir K will potentially unleash a flood of goblins into this corridor.

:thinksSirKneedsmorehitpoints: :D

ldancer911
07-24-2008, 05:04 PM
I agree with this. But if he does kill Sir K, then all those other goblins can come out delay and flood y'all.

Only the 4 C goblins that are in delay. Which have 1 HP and gimli can come out of delay and have 2 attempts to cleave taking out 2 of them in Sir Ks spot and move into that one.

illogic
07-24-2008, 05:05 PM
:thinksSirKneedsmorehitpoints: :D

:thinksSirKneedstocometotermswithhisdemise:

PSU2002
07-24-2008, 05:05 PM
I agree with this. But if he does kill Sir K, then all those other goblins can come out delay and flood y'all.

:iatp:

PSU2002
07-24-2008, 05:06 PM
In case anyone isn't aware of this, Sir K has 6 hp at the moment. (or maybe 8, if he got +2 from omega recently. I have to check.)

Any attack that drops Sir K (a hit from an SC goblin will do 8 points of damage the vast majority of the time) will potentially unleash a flood of goblins into this corridor and has a very high potential to kill several of us, though perhaps not all.

:yikes:

4sigma
07-24-2008, 05:06 PM
Only the 4 C goblins that are in delay. Which have 1 HP and gimli can come out of delay and have 2 attempts to cleave taking out 2 of them in Sir Ks spot and move into that one.

Isnt' SC2 in delay?

omegakain
07-24-2008, 05:06 PM
In case anyone isn't aware of this, Sir K has 6 hp at the moment. (or maybe 8, if he got +2 from omega recently. I have to check.)

Any attack that drops Sir K (a hit from an SC goblin will do 8 points of damage the vast majority of the time) will potentially unleash a flood of goblins into this corridor and has a very high potential to kill several of us, though perhaps not all.

Jeez it's always about you, isn't it?And yes, I did give you those 2 extra hp.

ldancer911
07-24-2008, 05:07 PM
Ok, call me stupid. I'm closing to being prone at the moment anyway, so I'll just shut up.

I just really didn't want to come in here facing 5 of these SC guys next time, especially being short on daggers.

I think you didnt quite understand how the goblins could move. To be honest I think the stupidest thing we can do is shut the door without killing SC1. If we let him live we are probably going have to do this whole open shut think like 2 more times to kill all of them.

BingBoing
07-24-2008, 05:07 PM
Can I get a quick update on how things stand as of now before I decide. How many people have hitpoints lost, how many people still have Action points, daily powers, encounter powers? Also, is dragon breathe the only really big thing we have left (How big is it?)

illogic
07-24-2008, 05:08 PM
Only the 4 C goblins that are in delay. Which have 1 HP and gimli can come out of delay and have 2 attempts to cleave taking out 2 of them in Sir Ks spot and move into that one.

I believe BB3 is also in delay.

ldancer911
07-24-2008, 05:08 PM
Isnt' SC2 in delay?

Yeah...hes the one that would come out of delay and kill you when SC1 dies.

4sigma
07-24-2008, 05:08 PM
Jeez it's always about you, isn't it?And yes, I did give you those 2 extra hp.

:lol: I frankly wouldn't mind Sir K going down if I thought it would mean we'd defeat all the goblins. The concern is actually that the party is going to get inundated with goblins and won't be able to shut the doors.

illogic
07-24-2008, 05:08 PM
Isnt' SC2 in delay?

He's talking about what happens after SC2 destroys you.

PSU2002
07-24-2008, 05:08 PM
Isnt' SC2 in delay?

sc2 would have been the one that would have came out of delay to move there and kill you. so yes he is currently in delay, but would not be at the point dancer is refering to.

4sigma
07-24-2008, 05:09 PM
I think you didnt quite understand how the goblins could move. To be honest I think the stupidest thing we can do is shut the door without killing SC1. If we let him live we are probably going have to do this whole open shut think like 2 more times to kill all of them.

Do we have a read on how many hp SC1 likely has left?

4sigma
07-24-2008, 05:09 PM
He's talking about what happens after SC2 destroys you.

Ah, OK. Thogh the rest of the SC goblins are going to act right after Sir, I believe.

Htebazile
07-24-2008, 05:09 PM
He had taken 18 points of acid damage a while back, so he's taken 38 total. From previous experience, I would guess his total hp at between 50 and 60.

:bump:

PSU2002
07-24-2008, 05:10 PM
Just shut the dang doors already!

J.T.
07-24-2008, 05:11 PM
I think you didnt quite understand how the goblins could move. To be honest I think the stupidest thing we can do is shut the door without killing SC1. If we let him live we are probably going have to do this whole open shut think like 2 more times to kill all of them.
I think I agree with this...but I'm not thinking so well right now either.

4sigma
07-24-2008, 05:12 PM
Is someone able to shut the door on the left?

Is the plan for Sir to shut his door and then for Duriel to shut his?

BingBoing
07-24-2008, 05:12 PM
Does Sir K have no healing left at all?

BingBoing
07-24-2008, 05:12 PM
Does Sir K have no healing left at all?

4sigma
07-24-2008, 05:13 PM
Does Sir K have no healing left at all?

None that he can do before his turn. ;)

If Sir's still alive when it's his turn to act, he can lay on hands and also heal Duriel if needed with the use of his daily power.

ldancer911
07-24-2008, 05:13 PM
Is someone able to shut the door on the left?

Is the plan for Sir to shut his door and then for Duriel to shut his?

I think so...but I dont get to move until after the SC guys go so one might move infront of me.

Htebazile
07-24-2008, 05:13 PM
None that he can do before his turn. ;)

If Sir's still alive when it's his turn to act, he can lay on hands and also heal Duriel if needed with the use of his daily power.

But Sir can act right now if he wants.

PSU2002
07-24-2008, 05:15 PM
will sirk take damage from an opportunity attack as he is shutting the door?

omegakain
07-24-2008, 05:15 PM
Let's shut the doors.

4sigma
07-24-2008, 05:15 PM
will sirk take damage from an opportunity attack as he is shutting the door?

I think the ruling was that shutting one door doesn't incur an opportunity attack, but one person trying to shut both doors does.

illogic
07-24-2008, 05:15 PM
:popcorn:

ldancer911
07-24-2008, 05:16 PM
I think the ruling was that shutting one door doesn't incur an opportunity attack, but one person trying to shut both doors does.

:iatp:

Htebazile
07-24-2008, 05:16 PM
Let Bing shoot at BB7 and let's get out of here.

BingBoing
07-24-2008, 05:17 PM
Can I get a quick update on how things stand as of now before I decide. How many people have hitpoints lost, how many people still have Action points, daily powers, encounter powers? Also, is dragon breathe the only really big thing we have left (How big is it?)
:bump:

ldancer911
07-24-2008, 05:17 PM
Let Bing shoot at BB7 and let's get out of here.

If BB7 isnt bloodied is there any point to wasting an arrow? Not that I think he is running low but if there is absolultey not chance of us killing it why bother...other then the fun of shooting goblins/rolling dice.

4sigma
07-24-2008, 05:18 PM
Thinking for a moment. I really would like to see SC1 go down.

4sigma
07-24-2008, 05:18 PM
If BB7 isnt bloodied is there any point to wasting an arrow? Not that I think he is running low but if there is absolultey not chance of us killing it why bother...other then the fun of shooting goblins/rolling dice.

Sir does have his dragon breath coming, which is going to kill the majority of the C goblins and potentially do 5-10 points of damage to anything else in the blast, which will include BB7.

I'm fine with taking more shots at SC1 as long as we think it's unlikely to drop him before Sir K's turn.

Htebazile
07-24-2008, 05:18 PM
If BB7 isnt bloodied is there any point to wasting an arrow? Not that I think he is running low but if there is absolultey not chance of us killing it why bother...other then the fun of shooting goblins/rolling dice.
I think you answered your own question. :D

illogic
07-24-2008, 05:18 PM
If BB7 isnt bloodied is there any point to wasting an arrow? Not that I think he is running low but if there is absolultey not chance of us killing it why bother...other then the fun of shooting goblins/rolling dice.

I thought he was bloodied.

Htebazile
07-24-2008, 05:19 PM
AS, would, by any chance, Duriel be allowed to use the rolls from the turn he didn't make last time?

illogic
07-24-2008, 05:19 PM
BB7 is just sitting there whistling a happy tune waiting his turn when out of nowhere an arrow hits him. :swear: How inconsiderate. And he got blood on his book too.

:-?

ldancer911
07-24-2008, 05:20 PM
:-?

Does blood on his book = bloodied?

Abused Student
07-24-2008, 05:21 PM
:-?

He got hit, he bled, he is not bloodied.

4sigma
07-24-2008, 05:22 PM
Question: Can Gimli come out of delay and shut the door in front of Duriel?

Abused Student
07-24-2008, 05:23 PM
AS, would, by any chance, Duriel be allowed to use the rolls from the turn he didn't make last time?

He could use the same power, not the same rolls. It could cause SC2 to come out of delay though if the door isn't immediately shut.

Abused Student
07-24-2008, 05:23 PM
Question: Can Gimli come out of delay and shut the door in front of Duriel?

Yes

Htebazile
07-24-2008, 05:24 PM
If Sir K shuts his door, could Duriel still attack SC1?

If so, I propose this plan:
1) Bing shoots SC1.
2) Sir K does whatever, then shuts his door.
3) SC1 presumably either attacks Duriel or sits and pouts about the door being closed. hopefully, Duriel does not die (Duriel is still in total defense, btw)
4) Duriel attacks SC1, hopefully killing him.
5) Gimli immediately closes Duriel's door.

ldancer911
07-24-2008, 05:24 PM
He could use the same power, not the same rolls. It could cause SC2 to come out of delay though if the door isn't immediately shut.

He can't come out of delay in the middle of my turn can he?

ldancer911
07-24-2008, 05:24 PM
If Sir K shuts his door, could Duriel still attack SC1?

No...its a hard corner.

Abused Student
07-24-2008, 05:26 PM
If Sir K shuts his door, could Duriel still attack SC1?

Hard corner, see ldancer. wtg

He can't come out of delay in the middle of my turn can he?

No, he can come out before or after but not during.

No...its a hard corner.

:iatp:

4sigma
07-24-2008, 05:29 PM
OK, here's my updated suggestion:

1) Bing attacks SC1 which probably will not drop him.
Omega comes out of delay, attacks something not in the front row, and tries to give 2 more hp to Sir.
2) Sir heals, then attacks SC1. Even if this brings SC2 out of delay, a hit from SC2 probably won't drop Sir at that point. Sir shuts his door, and uses an action point to ready dragon breath for when the other door is shut.
3) Goblins act. SC2, if he is standing there, has already acted. Sir is behind his door and can't be hit. Duriel is exposed to very limited attack possibilities.
4) Duriel delays and lets all our artillery fire through the doorway at whatever can still be hit.
5) When all our last attacks are done, Duriel shuts his door and omega seals it.

ldancer911
07-24-2008, 05:31 PM
If Sir K shuts his door, could Duriel still attack SC1?

If so, I propose this plan:
1) Bing shoots SC1.
2) Sir K does whatever, then shuts his door.
3) SC1 presumably either attacks Duriel or sits and pouts about the door being closed. hopefully, Duriel does not die (Duriel is still in total defense, btw)
4) Duriel attacks SC1, hopefully killing him.
5) Gimli immediately closes Duriel's door.

Since I cant I guess what we need to do is have big shoot SC1 and hope Sir Ks dragons breath kills him. Hopefully Sir K can also shut the door and do lay on hands for me. Then we will see if SC1 attacks me (very unlikely since SC2 is just as close and unhurt) and then I probably just shut the door.

4sigma
07-24-2008, 05:32 PM
Still thinking. If Sir doesn't get hit by SC2, he might not need to shut his door. We could maybe shut the doors at the end of Sir's following turn.

4sigma
07-24-2008, 05:32 PM
Since I cant I guess what we need to do is have big shoot SC1 and hope Sir Ks dragons breath kills him. Hopefully Sir K can also shut the door and do lay on hands for me. Then we will see if SC1 attacks me (very unlikely since SC2 is just as close and unhurt) and then I probably just shut the door.

How mahy hp are you down? Sir's daily power will give you a healing surge.

Htebazile
07-24-2008, 05:32 PM
OK, here's my updated suggestion:

1) Bing attacks SC1 which probably will not drop him.
Omega comes out of delay, attacks something not in the front row, and tries to give 2 more hp to Sir.
2) Sir heals, then attacks SC1. Even if this brings SC2 out of delay, a hit from SC2 probably won't drop Sir at that point. Sir shuts his door, and uses an action point to ready dragon breath for when the other door is shut.
3) Goblins act. SC2, if he is standing there, has already acted. Sir is behind his door and can't be hit. Duriel is exposed to very limited attack possibilities.
4) Duriel delays and lets all our artillery fire through the doorway at whatever can still be hit.
5) When all our last attacks are done, Duriel shuts his door and omega seals it.

Since SC2 only has max damage of 15 when not bloodied, this seems like a sound plan.

ldancer911
07-24-2008, 05:33 PM
How mahy hp are you down? Sir's daily power will give you a healing surge.

I am at 22 right now...a healing surge will get me to 30.

4sigma
07-24-2008, 05:33 PM
If Sir K shuts his door, could Duriel still attack SC1?

If so, I propose this plan:
1) Bing shoots SC1.
2) Sir K does whatever, then shuts his door.
3) SC1 presumably either attacks Duriel or sits and pouts about the door being closed. hopefully, Duriel does not die (Duriel is still in total defense, btw)
4) Duriel attacks SC1, hopefully killing him.
5) Gimli immediately closes Duriel's door.

Sir gets a pretty major attack against SC1 which will do 3d8+4 damage if it hits.

J.T.
07-24-2008, 05:33 PM
I'm out of here...whoever is here when final plan is decided, please lay it out in one post so it's not confusing.

Htebazile
07-24-2008, 05:34 PM
22 should easily carry you through this round, since SC1 can't attack you.

BingBoing
07-24-2008, 05:34 PM
So I can't really see the map right now, but I am more for charging in the room and giving it a go rather than retreating.

4sigma
07-24-2008, 05:35 PM
I am at 22 right now...a healing surge will get me to 30.

OK. I'm at 6, so I hope you don't mind if I use the Lay on Hands to heal myself. ;)

PSU2002
07-24-2008, 05:35 PM
OK, here's my updated suggestion:

1) Bing attacks SC1 which probably will not drop him.
Omega comes out of delay, attacks something not in the front row, and tries to give 2 more hp to Sir.
2) Sir heals, then attacks SC1. Even if this brings SC2 out of delay, a hit from SC2 probably won't drop Sir at that point. Sir shuts his door, and uses an action point to ready dragon breath for when the other door is shut.
3) Goblins act. SC2, if he is standing there, has already acted. Sir is behind his door and can't be hit. Duriel is exposed to very limited attack possibilities.
4) Duriel delays and lets all our artillery fire through the doorway at whatever can still be hit.
5) When all our last attacks are done, Duriel shuts his door and omega seals it.


i am confused. Sir heals, kills SC1 and closes the door on his turn. SC2 wouldn't be able to come out of delay to try to attack him until the turn is over right? so sir would never suffer the damage. Plus if the door in front of sir is already shut and the door is a hard corner, how will sir use dragons breath? Sorry if my questions scew up the game by pointing out things players may not have thought of, but I am just trying to understand so that if in the future I decide I may want to fill in for someone or join the party if allowed, I would know the rules and subtlties.

ldancer911
07-24-2008, 05:35 PM
OK. I'm at 6, so I hope you don't mind if I use the Lay on Hands to heal myself. ;)

:sigh: fine... selfish paladins...

ldancer911
07-24-2008, 05:36 PM
i am confused. Sir heals, kills SC1 and closes the door on his turn. SC2 wouldn't be able to come out of delay to try to attack him until the turn is over right? so sir would never suffer the damage. Plus if the door in front of sir is already shut and the door is a hard corner, how will sir use dragons breath? Sorry if my questions scew up the game by pointing out things players may not have thought of, but I am just trying to understand so that if in the future I decide I may want to fill in for someone or join the party if allowed, I would know the rules and subtlties.

I was thinking that too...also remember if you miss I think the goblin may get an extra attack on you.

Abused Student
07-24-2008, 05:39 PM
i am confused. Sir heals, kills SC1 and closes the door on his turn. SC2 wouldn't be able to come out of delay to try to attack him until the turn is over right? so sir would never suffer the damage. Plus if the door in front of sir is already shut and the door is a hard corner, how will sir use dragons breath? Sorry if my questions scew up the game by pointing out things players may not have thought of, but I am just trying to understand so that if in the future I decide I may want to fill in for someone or join the party if allowed, I would know the rules and subtlties.

The DM is also wondering what the paladin is going to do with his dragon breath with the door shut except maybe use it on his own party. :shrug:

:popcorn:

4sigma
07-24-2008, 05:39 PM
i am confused. Sir heals, kills SC1 and closes the door on his turn. SC2 wouldn't be able to come out of delay to try to attack him until the turn is over right? so sir would never suffer the damage. Plus if the door in front of sir is already shut and the door is a hard corner, how will sir use dragons breath? Sorry if my questions scew up the game by pointing out things players may not have thought of, but I am just trying to understand so that if in the future I decide I may want to fill in for someone or join the party if allowed, I would know the rules and subtlties.

You're correct. It's possible that a better plan is for Sir to not shut his door. Perhaps we plan for Gimli to shut Sir's door, or for Sir to shut it on his next turn.

4sigma
07-24-2008, 05:39 PM
The DM is also wondering what the paladin is going to do with his dragon breath with the door shut except maybe use it on his own party. :shrug:

:popcorn:

I can't aim it through the door that's still open?

PSU2002
07-24-2008, 05:40 PM
The DM is also wondering what the paladin is going to do with his dragon breath with the door shut except maybe use it on his own party. :shrug:

:popcorn:

:iatp:

illogic
07-24-2008, 05:41 PM
The DM is also wondering what the paladin is going to do with his dragon breath with the door shut except maybe use it on his own party. :shrug:

:popcorn:

Works for me.

4sigma
07-24-2008, 05:41 PM
So I can't really see the map right now, but I am more for charging in the room and giving it a go rather than retreating.

This actually isn't out of the question if we can hold out another round or so in the corridor and drop a couple of the SC's. It depends very much on our ability to stop taking damage.

4sigma
07-24-2008, 05:42 PM
Works for me.

Don't tempt me. :dsmile:

Abused Student
07-24-2008, 05:43 PM
I can't aim it through the door that's still open?

If we aren't letting goblins attack around a hard corner, a half closed door would be a hard corner, I would say probably not. Plus, the door won't stay closed until it is sealed, you are going to have to be giving me strength checks to keep it closed, I don't think you will have time to be breathing any fire.

ldancer911
07-24-2008, 05:44 PM
This actually isn't out of the question. It depends very much on our ability to stop taking damage.

It has already been proposed and gotten approval that we shut the door this round. I do have to go home now but will be on in about 30-40 minutes...most likely well before my turn.

Abused Student
07-24-2008, 05:45 PM
The DM is leaving in 15 and won't be back on until much later in the evening so he can go play with his daughter.

BingBoing
07-24-2008, 05:48 PM
Can sir shut the door, then if there is a gob on the other side, slam it open and make domino gobbies

Htebazile
07-24-2008, 05:49 PM
Is there any disagreement on Bing shooting SC1? Anyone? Anyone?

4sigma
07-24-2008, 05:51 PM
If we aren't letting goblins attack around a hard corner, a half closed door would be a hard corner, I would say probably not. Plus, the door won't stay closed until it is sealed, you are going to have to be giving me strength checks to keep it closed, I don't think you will have time to be breathing any fire.

Thanks for clarifying the door treatment and the mechanic for keeping it shut.

Updated plan:

1) Bing attacks SC1, presumably not killing him.
2) Omega attacks something that won't kill anything in the front row, and gives 2hp to Sir.
3) Sir heals, uses dragon breath, and attacks SC1 if he's still standing, hopefully dropping him. Clearing out probably most of the C goblins (BB goblins will move them out of the way now anyway), and damaging nearly everything in the room.
4) We endure a round of goblin attacks, hopefully not getting overrun.
5) Artillery now snipes at as many SC goblins as we can hit.
6) When we get to the bottom of the initiative (Sir, Duriel, Gimli, Omega) we determine if we now need to shut the door.

4sigma
07-24-2008, 05:51 PM
Is there any disagreement on Bing shooting SC1? Anyone? Anyone?

I'm fine with that now.

Abused Student
07-24-2008, 05:54 PM
Point of clarification though...I thought you couldn't do the lay on hands on yourself. You said that a time or two but now that sounds like your plan. From the description, I am unsure.

omegakain
07-24-2008, 05:55 PM
Thanks for clarifying the door treatment and the mechanic for keeping it shut.

Updated plan:

1) Bing attacks SC1, presumably not killing him.
2) Omega attacks something that won't kill anything in the front row, and gives 2hp to Sir.
3) Sir heals, uses dragon breath, and attacks SC1 if he's still standing, hopefully dropping him. Clearing out probably most of the C goblins (BB goblins will move them out of the way now anyway), and damaging nearly everything in the room.
4) We endure a round of goblin attacks, hopefully not getting overrun.
5) Artillery now snipes at as many SC goblins as we can hit.
6) When we get to the bottom of the initiative (Sir, Duriel, Gimli, Omega) we determine if we now need to shut the door.

C.L.Eric is opposed to this course of action as their is good possibility that we will be overrun. I however want C.L.Eric dead, so let's go for it.

BingBoing
07-24-2008, 05:55 PM
Alrighty I shoot him.

8+10 for careful shot Vs. AC =18

Damage = 7+4=11

illogic
07-24-2008, 05:56 PM
:popcorn:

Abused Student
07-24-2008, 05:56 PM
Alrighty I shoot him.

8+10 for careful shot Vs. AC =18

Damage = 7+4=11

The arrow hits, doing significant damage, but as hoped for, SC1 remains on his feet.

4sigma
07-24-2008, 06:01 PM
C.L.Eric is opposed to this course of action as their is good possibility that we will be overrun. I however want C.L.Eric dead, so let's go for it.

I would like to see a warlord in the party. The rogues in particular would appreciate his ability to move stuff into flanking positions.

4sigma
07-24-2008, 06:04 PM
C.L.Eric is opposed to this course of action as their is good possibility that we will be overrun. I however want C.L.Eric dead, so let's go for it.

I think we're rolling with it. fire away. (But not at SC1 or C14)

Abused Student
07-24-2008, 06:05 PM
Point of clarification though...I thought you couldn't do the lay on hands on yourself. You said that a time or two but now that sounds like your plan. From the description, I am unsure.

:bump: siggy, your answer please?

omegakain
07-24-2008, 06:07 PM
Alright Sacred Flame on C4
Roll(1d20)+4:
5,+4
Total:9 vs Reflex

If Hit :oops:
Roll(1d6)+4:
1,+4
Total:5

Abused Student
07-24-2008, 06:09 PM
Alright Sacred Flame on C4
Roll(1d20)+4:
5,+4
Total:9 vs Reflex

If Hit :oops:
Roll(1d6)+4:
1,+4
Total:5

:shake: Um, this little match thrown at them gets blown out before it even gets halfway there. Perhaps you have been distracted by the women like Sir K and your diety isn't so please. :shrug:

4sigma
07-24-2008, 06:11 PM
:bump: siggy, your answer please?

Sir can't use his daily power to heal himself. It says target is "one ally"
Lay on hands can be used on self. It says target "one creature"

4sigma
07-24-2008, 06:13 PM
Sir uses Lay on hands to heal self. He now has 16 hp.

Sir then attacks SC1 with his daily power, Paladin's judgement. +7 vs. AC. 3d8+4 damage if it hits. Whether it hits or not, Duriel can spend a healing surge.

illogic may roll dice. :)

Waiting to see the result of that to determine if he's spending an action point.

4sigma
07-24-2008, 06:19 PM
illogic seems to have stepped away.

edited to remove other conditionals that won't apply now, given illogic's fine dice rolling.]

illogic
07-24-2008, 07:14 PM
illogic seems to have stepped away. If SC1 is down, Sir is done.

:oops: illogic did step away.

illogic
07-24-2008, 07:17 PM
Sir uses Lay on hands to heal self. He now has 16 hp.

Sir then attacks SC1 with his daily power, Paladin's judgement. +7 vs. AC. 3d8+4 damage if it hits. Whether it hits or not, Duriel can spend a healing surge.

illogic may roll dice. :)

Waiting to see the result of that to determine if he's spending an action point.

Attack: 15 + 7 vs AC
Damage: 3 + 8 + 8 + 4 = 23

4sigma
07-24-2008, 07:34 PM
Attack: 15 + 7 vs AC
Damage: 3 + 8 + 8 + 4 = 23

that looks promising. :tup:

:popcorn:

Edited to add: Post #4000!

:party:

illogic
07-24-2008, 07:38 PM
that looks promising. :tup:

:popcorn:

Let's hope.

Htebazile
07-24-2008, 07:44 PM
I'm guessing he was down to maybe 10 hp, so that should be more than enough.

(By memory, total hp is 50-60, maybe around 55. Total damage before Sir K's move was 49 hp.)

BingBoing
07-24-2008, 08:04 PM
What is Sir K's stregth?

4sigma
07-24-2008, 08:06 PM
What is Sir K's stregth?

Sir K has 18 Strength.