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H.R. Paperstacks
06-20-2008, 07:20 PM
I wonder what you R's have to say about this.
Talk about change.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-06-19-obama-hagel_N.htm
OMAHA (AP) — Republican Sen. Chuck Hagel says he would consider an offer to serve as Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama's running mate.

But the Nebraska senator says he doesn't expect to be on any ticket this year.

Hagel's vocal criticism of the Bush administration since the 2003 invasion of Iraq has resulted in speculation that if Obama were to pick a Republican running mate, it might be Hagel.

Hagel spoke Friday in an interview with the Associated Press.

Hagel also says he hasn't yet thought about who he'll vote for in November. He's differed on foreign policy with Sen. John McCain of Arizona, the presumptive Republican nominee.
On Thursday, a former Kennedy White House speechwriter had said Hagel would be a good running mate for Obama.

Ted Sorensen, who collaborated with John F. Kennedy on the 1957 Pulitzer Prize-winning "Profiles in Courage," said Obama should pick a running mate who can help where he's weakest. Hagel's national security experience makes him a logical candidate, Sorensen said.

"I don't think Mrs. Clinton fits those criteria," Sorensen said, referring to Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, who suspended her campaign after Obama clinched the nomination. "But I think a Republican would. And I'm from Nebraska. I think Chuck Hagel might make a great national ticket vice presidential nominee."

The 80-year-old Sorensen was speaking to about 70 people at a Democratic Party fundraiser in Omaha for Scott Kleeb, a Democrat who wants to replace Hagel, who's not seeking re-election. Former U.S. Agriculture secretary Mike Johanns is the Republican nominee.

Hagel has drawn the ire of his party for his stinging criticisms of fellow President Bush and his administration, dating to the 2003 invasion of Iraq.

Hagel has said he doesn't intend to be a candidate for any office this year, after opting against making his own presidential bid and deciding not to seek a third term.

In an interview after the speech with the Associated Press, Sorensen said Hagel served his country with tremendous honor in Vietnam, and has "first-rate experience on national security issues."

"I've never recalled a point in this country where putting the country and national security first seems to make more sense, rather than putting the party first," Sorensen said.

Hagel served as an Army sergeant in Vietnam and was twice wounded in 1968, earning two Purple Hearts.

Caroline Kennedy, the late president's daughter, is on Obama's vice presidential search committee, and Sorensen said he has spoken to her about the selection.

Sorensen was born in 1928, the son of Nebraska attorney general C.A. Sorensen, a Republican.

His new book, "Counselor," begins with Sorensen's childhood in Nebraska and continues to the present. Sorensen is a supporter of Obama and campaigned for him in Iowa.

Sorensen was deeply affected by the life and death of Kennedy. His liberal ideas and poetic turns of phrase became so entwined with Kennedy's that the president called him his "intellectual blood bank."

Sorensen has publicly compared Obama to President Kennedy, and on Thursday called Obama "the best on the public platform of any candidate since Kennedy, with the exception of Robert F. Kennedy," one of the president's three brothers.

In a book published this year, Hagel said that despite holding one of the Senate's strongest records of support for President Bush, his standing as a Republican has been called into question because of his opposition to what he deems "a reckless foreign policy ... that is divorced from a strategic context."

Hagel wrote that the invasion of Iraq was "the triumph of the so-called neoconservative ideology, as well as Bush administration arrogance and incompetence."

H.R. Paperstacks
06-20-2008, 07:26 PM
And he has a Vietnam Gallantry Cross, can someone say war hero?

MarsLasar
06-20-2008, 11:53 PM
It's a change election on this go around. Politicians are positioning themselves on the side of change as best they can (Obama is doing this the best).

McCain is facing a brutal political environment for the R's. McCain is desperately trying to remove the "Bush's 3rd term" kryptonite Obama laid on his neck but he hasn't made much progress. He tried the Carter's 2nd term method, he tried suggesting that Obama repeats it because Obama doesn't believe it himself (!), but nothing is sticking. The "Bush's 3rd term" is a very powerful and damaging strategy against McCain.

MarsLasar
06-20-2008, 11:57 PM
Decent video that gives a brief overview of McCain's unenviable task
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnb2IrsU1Cg

Brad Gile
06-21-2008, 05:59 PM
From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuck_Hagel , Chucky sounds like a good Democrat to me. I'd love to see this clown as Obama's running mate. Bring it on! :lol:

H.R. Paperstacks
06-21-2008, 07:04 PM
From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuck_Hagel , Chucky sounds like a good Democrat to me. I'd love to see this clown as Obama's running mate. Bring it on! :lol:

Every republican that opposes the Iraq war sounds like a democrat, libertarian or someone from the constitution party. :smile:

daaaave
06-21-2008, 10:32 PM
From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuck_Hagel , Chucky sounds like a good Democrat to me. I'd love to see this clown as Obama's running mate. Bring it on! :lol:

So someone who is pro-life, anti-gay marriage, anti-affirmative action, pro-free trade, pro-lower taxes, and anti-socialized health care sounds like a good Democrat to you just because he opposed the war in Iraq?

RichieGB
06-21-2008, 10:40 PM
I think he only read what he wanted to hear.

H.R. Paperstacks
06-21-2008, 11:36 PM
Chuck sucks at being a democrat Brad

http://www.ontheissues.org/senate/Chuck_Hagel.htm

Brad Gile
06-22-2008, 10:32 AM
Chuck sucks at being a democrat Brad

http://www.ontheissues.org/senate/Chuck_Hagel.htm

This alone was enough for me:

Republican Sen. Chuck Hagel says he would consider an offer to serve as Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama's running mate.


:shrug:

T-MLB
06-22-2008, 06:58 PM
Non-issue. Just something media (and us) picked up 'cuz there was nothing else to report (post) about.

But that's a good thing (usually)

RichieGB
06-22-2008, 08:40 PM
This alone was enough for me:
:shrug:

Shrug. Why bother suggesting that the Wiki link makes the guy look like a Dem when the original article was enough for you? The link you offered up doesn't make him out to be anything like a Democrat. I guess you can just write it off with a shrug shrug, random emoticon.

Fail.

Alto Reed on a Tenor Sax
06-22-2008, 08:52 PM
So, in this stirring episode of "Brad's Brain," we learn that a "good Democrat" is a Republican who would serve his country across party lines, from which I suppose we can infer that a "good Republican" is one who would under no circumstances cross party lines and associate with "the liberals," regardless of what kind of service he could render his country.

Great analysis, Brad! :tup:

Brad Gile
06-22-2008, 11:26 PM
So, in this stirring episode of "Brad's Brain," we learn that a "good Democrat" is a Republican who would serve his country across party lines, from which I suppose we can infer that a "good Republican" is one who would under no circumstances cross party lines and associate with "the liberals," regardless of what kind of service he could render his country.

Great analysis, Brad! :tup:

A Republican who crosses party lines to be a dem VP is, quite simply , a Democrat. Period. McCain and Lieberman cross party lines but do not go that far. I respect them both for what they do. Your inferences are stupid.

McCain is a liberal and I am a conservative but I support McCain. Why?
I respect McCain and think he is by far the superior candidate in all respects.

Like most around here, you rest your case on personal insults. :shrug:

H.R. Paperstacks
06-22-2008, 11:28 PM
A Republican who crosses party lines to be a dem VP is, quite simply , a Democrat. Period. McCain and Lieberman cross party lines but do not go that far. I respect them both for what they do. Your inferences are stupid.

McCain is a liberal and I am a conservative but I support McCain. Why?
I respect McCain and think he is by far the superior candidate in all respects.

Like most around here, you rest your case on personal insults. :shrug:

Brad you are a democrat.:judge:

Darth Chef
06-22-2008, 11:29 PM
Brad you are a democrat.:judge:

"We are all democrats now." :borg:

cubedbee
06-23-2008, 01:18 AM
A Republican who crosses party lines to be a dem VP is, quite simply , a Democrat. Period.
Interesting. By your logic, Andrew Johnson was a Republican, since he crossed party lines to run on Lincoln's ticket. Quite remarkable that he got impeached by his own party a few years later.

Brad Gile
06-23-2008, 07:10 AM
Interesting. By your logic, Andrew Johnson was a Republican, since he crossed party lines to run on Lincoln's ticket. Quite remarkable that he got impeached by his own party a few years later.
:aypi:

Alto Reed on a Tenor Sax
06-23-2008, 07:56 AM
A Republican who crosses party lines to be a dem VP is, quite simply , a Democrat. Period. McCain and Lieberman cross party lines but do not go that far. I respect them both for what they do. Your inferences are stupid.

McCain is a liberal and I am a conservative but I support McCain. Why?
I respect McCain and think he is by far the superior candidate in all respects.

Like most around here, you rest your case on personal insults. :shrug:

Note that I never insulted you personally. Only this latest bit of your reasoning. But then, I guess if you can completely reforge the definition of "Democrat" to be whatever you want it to be, regardless of the fact that nobody else, either here or, say, in the mainstream media seems to agree with you, you shouldn't have too much trouble doing whatever you want with the word "personal."

cubedbee
06-23-2008, 09:06 AM
:aypi:

Brad is a :duh:

H.R. Paperstacks
06-23-2008, 09:07 AM
I don't know Brad personally but thats a personal attack.