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DW Simpson
08-03-2008, 11:23 AM
http://www.tribune.ie/article/2008/aug/03/insurers-in-actuary-exam-fiasco/

Insurers in actuary exam fiasco
Neil Callanan

Several Irish insurance companies may seek compensation from DCU after 100 people studying to become qualified actuaries in the university were left reeling after the Actuarial Profession in Britain refused to give them an exemption from core exams. Some students thought they were just one or two exams away from becoming qualified actuaries which would have led to significant increases in income.

The refusal impacts on students taking the university's Graduate Certificate in Actuarial Science course an exemption from core actuarial exams. "DCU was surprised to learn of the news last week and are currently investigating the implications of that decision," a spokeswoman for the university said.

DCU could not say how many students would be affected and whether they will be compensated the course fee of more than €5,000 (or more than €8,700 if from outside the EU) or for loss of future earnings. It also could not say if companies that paid for their employees to attend the course would be compensated.

Some of the courses had required several hundred hours of independent study time, a source said.

The Society of Actuaries circulated a letter to student members last week stating that the Actuarial Profession (which is made up of the Institute of Actuaries in England and Wales and the Faculty of Actuaries in Scotland) had "discussed at length the possibility of granting DCU an exemption recognition agreement on a retrospective basis" in respect of the course.

"However, they decided that this could not be done, and that all students from the course (since its inception, and including the current year's students) would be required to take the Profession's Core Applications exams. They recognised that this outcome would be unwelcome, and they had considerable sympathy for the students involved, but they could see no viable alternative."

The Society added that the decision is believed to be final.

The Society of Actuaries referred queries to DCU. The Actuarial Profession in the UK did not return a call seeking comment.

Last week, DCU's website was still stating that the Graduate Certificate in Actuarial Science "is a further step towards becoming a qualified actuary". It was also described as the "only one of its kind in Ireland".

tommie frazier
08-03-2008, 08:58 PM
well, that's a shit storm a brewin.

Sean_K
08-13-2008, 09:23 AM
well, that's a shit storm a brewin.
They should have gone to UCD;)

DW Simpson
03-03-2009, 08:01 AM
http://www.thecollegeview.com/2009/02/27/dcu-set-to-fork-out-over-exam-debacle/

tommie frazier
03-03-2009, 09:18 AM
link didn't work. I'm dying to know. what happened now?

White Castle
08-21-2009, 09:45 AM
:bump:

ElDucky
08-23-2009, 03:44 PM
Sweet, I can add to my letter than the schools will be sued if FEM is adopted and later reversed.

campbell
08-23-2009, 04:31 PM
oops, I just saw tommie's post from way back. The link seems to work for me.

http://www.thecollegeview.com/2009/02/27/dcu-set-to-fork-out-over-exam-debacle/

Let me excerpt:
DCU is to shell out thousands of euro in order to compensate students of a part-time course who were left disappointed when they were refused exam exemptions that they believed applied to them.

In October the College View reported students of the Graduate Certificate in Actuarial Science (GCAS) course were denied these exemptions.

The resulting uproar led to a solicitor’s letter being sent to university chiefs the following November on behalf of three of the students concerned.

Since then all students of the course have been offered free tutorials from DCU that will be run by the Actuarial Education Company.

The organisation specialises in providing tuition for actuarial exams and is part of the Institute of Actuaries, the body that decides which courses in Britain and Ireland are to receive exemptions from actuarial exams.

DCU secretary Martin Conry said that the offer has been made “in order to alleviate [students’] disappointment after the ruling of the Institute of Actuaries regarding exemptions”.

He added: “The measures have been generally well received, keeping in mind that work constraints may prevent some former students from taking part in the events we have organised.”

The offer to students includes a five-day tutorial held in preparation for the actuarial exam in Core Applications, as well as a one-day group tutorial in Communication Theory. Each of the tutorials will be repeated in order to facilitate the schedules of those who wish to take part. The first of the five-day tutorials has already taken place on the grounds of the university.

The cost of the five-day group tutorial for DCU is £6,750 (€7,648), while the university will pay another £1,350 (€1,530) for each of the one-day tutorials. In total this will cost DCU £17,200 (€19,480).

As well as this, should previous GCAS students wish to repeat the module in September, DCU will allow them to do so free of charge, at a saving of €5,604 for those wishing to do so.

Meanwhile, DCU’s School of Mathematics has made significant changes to the GCAS course in order for it to be granted exemptions from the Institute of Actuaries in the future.

The amended proposal for the course was submitted to the Institute before Christmas, but a decision has yet to be made as to whether such exemptions will be obtained.

The head of the school, Emmanuel Buffet, is confident that the desired outcome can be achieved for the course, and would be “surprised” if a decision on the matter has not been made by March.

In relation to the new submission made to the Institute, Buffet said: “We have spelt [the course] out in more detail.

“The actual syllabi have changed. We have added invited lecturers in addition to regular lectures – this was not essential but it adds to the experience for students.”
Buffet also stated the School’s proposal to change the name of the course to the Graduate Certificate in Actuarial Applications (GCAA) in order to “flag that [the School is] making a fresh start”.

Before making a formal decision on the future of the course, the Institute of Actuaries will visit DCU to investigate the course provisions put in place. It is not yet known when this will happen, but Buffet has predicted a March date for the visit.

When contacted by the College View, the Institute of Actuaries declined to comment.