Cartoon Offensive? [Archive] - Page 2

Guest

02-20-2009, 03:47 PM

The cartoon with the dead chimp was obviously racist.

If you live in America and can't see that, you're either
(1) an idiot
(2) a racist in denial
or
(3) a white person who hasn't been on the giving or receiving end of racist behavior, and hasn't observed it in real life either.

There's nothing wrong with being #3. But if you are #3, you basically don't know shit about racism, so you should do yourself and us a favor by staying out of discussions of what is or isn't racism.

Well, I'm none of these, and I don't believe it was meant to be racist.

Again...Obama won on rejecting the victim thing. It'd be nice if people like Sharton got on board.

Guest

02-20-2009, 03:48 PM

I think the cartoon was not funny because of the death of the poor chimp. Where's PETA on this?

Right. Racist implications aside, it's a pretty awful cartoon anyway.

Guest

02-20-2009, 03:51 PM

They should have used better judgement and just not print the cartoon. It is offensive even if you think it isn't racist.
Agreed.

Feif

02-20-2009, 04:11 PM

I think the cartoon was not funny because of the death of the poor chimp. Where's PETA on this?

Maybe, like the chimp's owner, they realized a human life is worth more than an animal's. If they got involved with the whole chimp issue, they'd get slaughtered.
The chimp's owner is plain crazy. He was like her son? Then she wouldn't have stabbed him and called for the cops to come shoot him. At least, crazy as she is, she realized a human life is worth more.

Bubba Colbert

02-20-2009, 04:17 PM

:iatp:

I'm done talking about it, I've pretty much accepted the fact that a large amount of americans are racists. But it won't let it effect my life significantly. Exiting thread.

ETA:
I don't understand why they feel a need to explain what the picture was, racism is allowed in america. IMO, they exhibited some guilt by giving an explanation and apology. They should have used better judgement and just not print the cartoon. It is offensive even if you think it isn't racist.

Get a life. What comedy is NOT offensive? Is SNL making fun of Sarah Palin NOT offensive? Are most live comedians not swearing like drunken sailors which a prude like you would theoretically find offensive?

Frankly the only thing that I find offensive is the people who think the world should be void of offensiveness.

And in any event, there is no guilt associated with the paper's explanation that they are not racist. The point of the cartoon was to make fun of a crappy piece of legislation. It was tied to a news story about a chimp that was shot. The premise of the joke conveyed by the cartoon was that the legislation was so bad that congress must have employed a chimp to write it. Given that the chimp is now dead, they will have to hire someone else to write the next one (because it was so bad that it will not stimulate much other than, IYO, unfunny cartoons).

Now some will say that our economic condition and our situation of having to rely on an incompetant congress and administration to save us is NOT a funny situation.

I guess the bottom line for some here is that nothing that pokes fun at the job congress does or the job the incompetant, inexperienced president does can EVER be funny.

Bobby Digital

02-20-2009, 04:21 PM

Get a life. What comedy is NOT offensive? Is SNL making fun of Sarah Palin NOT offensive? Are most live comedians not swearing like drunken sailors which a prude like you would theoretically find offensive?

Frankly the only thing that I find offensive is the people who think the world should be void of offensiveness.

And in any event, there is no guilt associated with the paper's explanation that they are not racist. The point of the cartoon was to make fun of a crappy piece of legislation. It was tied to a news story about a chimp that was shot. The premise of the joke conveyed by the cartoon was that the legislation was so bad that congress must have employed a chimp to write it. Given that the chimp is now dead, they will have to hire someone else to write the next one (because it was so bad that it will not stimulate much other than, IYO, unfunny cartoons).

Now some will say that our economic condition and our situation of having to rely on an incompetant congress and administration to save us is NOT a funny situation.

I guess the bottom line for some here is that nothing that pokes fun at the job congress does or the job the incompetant, inexperienced president does can EVER be funny.False, try again.

Bubba Colbert

02-20-2009, 04:25 PM

False, try again.

If it is false (to you) then please provide some examples of humor that you find funny and unoffensive that make fun of the job Obama and congress are doing. We'll be waiting with baited breath.

In the absence of such, we will assume your claims are false.

Bobby Digital

02-20-2009, 04:27 PM

If it is false (to you) then please provide some examples of humor that you find funny and unoffensive that make fun of the job Obama and congress are doing. We'll be waiting with baited breath.

In the absence of such, we will assume your claims are false.

I'll try to scan the strip by the Boondocks featuring flaggie and ribbon.

2pac Shakur

02-20-2009, 04:29 PM

Maybe, like the chimp's owner, they realized a human life is worth more than an animal's. If they got involved with the whole chimp issue, they'd get slaughtered.
The chimp's owner is plain crazy. He was like her son? Then she wouldn't have stabbed him and called for the cops to come shoot him. At least, crazy as she is, she realized a human life is worth more.

Even a Palestinian's life?

Bubba Colbert

02-20-2009, 04:30 PM

Even a Palestinian's life?

IMO, this remark is more offensive than the cartoon.

But I don't have a problem with your humor either.

Bubba Colbert

02-20-2009, 04:40 PM

2pac Shakur

02-20-2009, 04:47 PM

2pac Shakur

02-20-2009, 04:49 PM

Which is more funny?

Calling Obama a chimp or calling Sarah Palin a pig?

Which is more offensive, making fun of the president, who happens to be black, or making fun of a women who happens to wear lipstick? I think we already determined that America is less racist than it is sexist. Otherwise, Hillary would be president.

In her speech, Palin presented her story as an endearing populist tale of a young mother who sought to improve the local schools. "I was just your average hockey mom, and signed up for the PTA because I wanted to make my kids' public education better,'' Palin said. Then she interrupted her own narrative: "You know the difference between a hockey mom and a pit bull: lipstick."

http://www.contracostatimes.com/california/ci_10376075

Bubba Colbert

02-20-2009, 04:59 PM

Didn't Palin call herself a pig?

Nope.

And calling someone (or yourself) a pit bull can be seen as a compliment.

Calling a woman a pig... well, if you had a gf, just try it.

Bubba Colbert

02-20-2009, 04:59 PM

Didn't Palin call herself a pig?

Obama called her pig.

Princess Leia

02-20-2009, 05:01 PM

Most people just look at the the cartoon and realize it's talking about congressional democrats. The rest are racists who think of Obama every time they see a chimp.Seriously?

J_C

02-20-2009, 09:09 PM

Obama called her pig.

Good for Palin - when the opportunity presented itself she showed she can play this card like Sharpton plays the race card. Which puts her at about his level.

Che Obama

02-20-2009, 10:37 PM

Good for Palin - when the opportunity presented itself she showed she can play this card like Sharpton plays the race card. Which puts her at about his level.I'm going to assume you're joking.

Che Obama

02-20-2009, 10:38 PM

Seriously?You don't think that people who think of Obama when they see a chimp are racist?

lennie

02-21-2009, 12:44 AM

Time to bury stupid liberals in stupid liberal pictures of the google image search "bush monkey."

http://www.allhatnocattle.net/gwb-monkey.jpg

lennie

02-21-2009, 12:46 AM

Let's kill this thread now, along with every ounce of self respect all you race card wielding Obama leeches still have for yourself.

http://www.leksikon-yu-mitologije.net/files/Bush-Monkey.jpg

lennie

02-21-2009, 12:49 AM

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j182/swiftian/050907/bush_monkey.jpg
1.8 million hits, there's no way this thread isn't going to die.

The Drunken Actuary

02-21-2009, 11:20 AM

So is Lennie's point that since Bush was compared to a chimp that it's OK and non-racist to compare Obama to a chimp?

Don McCain

02-21-2009, 11:44 AM

Don McCain

02-21-2009, 11:45 AM

Nope.

And calling someone (or yourself) a pit bull can be seen as a compliment.

Calling a woman a pig... well, if you had a gf, just try it.

So does this means I could call her a b!tch and she would be ok with it?

Che Obama

02-21-2009, 05:36 PM

So is Lennie's point that since Bush was compared to a chimp that it's OK and non-racist to compare Obama to a chimp?What was the motivation to compare Bush to a chimp? If someone compares Obama to a chimp for the same reason, is it racist?

kamek85

02-21-2009, 06:32 PM

Has Obama expressed any personal outrage over this? I don't care to read the first 28 pages to find out.

kamek85

02-21-2009, 06:36 PM

Come to think of it, was the cartoon even referencing Obama? (Again, I don't care to read the first 28 pages.)

Che Obama

02-21-2009, 07:53 PM

Come to think of it, was the cartoon even referencing Obama? (Again, I don't care to read the first 28 pages.)The cartoon had a chimp in it. Some people here think of Obama when they see a chimp.

Che Obama

02-21-2009, 08:06 PM

Let's kill this thread now, along with every ounce of self respect all you race card wielding Obama leeches still have for yourself.

Too late. Jealous got jealous and decided to one-up Sharpton.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090222/ap_on_re_us/ny_post_cartoon
NEW YORK – The head of the NAACP on Saturday urged readers to boycott the New York Post, calling a cartoon that the newspaper published an invitation to assassinate President Barack Obama.

Benjamin Todd Jealous, president of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, called on the tabloid to remove editor-in-chief Col Allan, as well as longtime cartoonist Sean Delonas.

Earlier this week, the newspaper apologized to anyone who might have been offended by the image printed Wednesday, which some say likens Obama to a violent chimpanzee gunned down by police in Connecticut.

Jealous said the cartoon was "an invitation to assassination."

On Thursday, after protests by notable figures including director Spike Lee, the paper posted an editorial on its Web site saying the cartoon was meant to mock the federal economic stimulus bill, but "to those who were offended by the image, we apologize."

A spokeswoman for the newspaper referred The Associated Press to the paper's editorial when asked Saturday about the proposed NAACP boycott.

Jealous called the editorial "a half of an apology, without elaboration."

The drawing, he said, "picks off the scabs of all the racial wounds."

He spoke as the NAACP gathered for its annual meeting in New York, where it was founded a century ago.

NAACP officials said that if the Post does not take "serious disciplinary action," they would reach out to organizations across the country to join them in their efforts against the tabloid.

NAACP Chairman Julian Bond called the publication of the cartoon "thoughtlessness taken to the extreme. ... Anyone who is not offended by it does not have any sensitivity."

J_C

02-21-2009, 09:28 PM

I'm going to assume you're joking.

I see what you did there.

win diesel

02-22-2009, 02:17 AM

Travis Obama is not change I can believe in

Wigmeister General

02-22-2009, 04:11 AM

I don't think it's racist, but you might want to uh... I don't know... be a little less... overt... with the comparison... or something... maybe not a chimp, since we have a black president and all... ehhhhhh

Our POTUS is black???? I thought we were color-blind in this country.

Baron Von Raschke

02-22-2009, 02:18 PM

So what kind of animal can we compare Obama to that wouldn't be offensive? Would a zebra be offensive?

dressed up like the Cure

02-22-2009, 02:21 PM

My president is black, my Lambo's blue
And I'll be goddamned if my rims ain't too
My momma ain't at home, and daddy's still in jail
Tryna make a plate, anybody seen the scale?
My president is black, my Lambo's blue
And I'll be goddamned if my rims ain't too
My money's light green and my Jordans light grey
And they love to see white, now how much you tryna pay?
Let's go!

dressed up like the Cure

02-22-2009, 02:22 PM

So what kind of animal can we compare Obama to that wouldn't be offensive? Would a zebra be offensive?

a terrorist hamster?

Baron Von Raschke

02-22-2009, 02:26 PM

His mother was a hamster...

lennie

02-22-2009, 04:42 PM

So is Lennie's point that since Bush was compared to a chimp that it's OK and non-racist to compare Obama to a chimp?
Let's keep ignoring that liberals only want him to be black. Is it racist to call an arabic man a chimp? As long as Obama chooses not to prove his black ancestry, there is no reason to assume he has any.

Oh, and thread killing, because no liberal in the history of hatemongering has displayed enough moral fiber to ever pull the race card.
http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k88/Duke_S/Pander_Bear_300.jpg

lennie

02-22-2009, 04:43 PM

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/96/323593683_3e9a27d297.jpg?v=0

lennie

02-22-2009, 04:44 PM

http://www.allhatnocattle.net/bushofafricas.jpg

Hmmm, Africa... chimps... it's only OK if you are a presumably white liberal too angry for evolved primate thought.

mocha

02-22-2009, 10:27 PM

I don't see why any of this should be offensive.

sweetiepie

02-23-2009, 02:15 AM

A white civilian mob surrounds the police as Bigger is struck, beaten and dragged down a series of steps. His fingernails are ripped off and the "sea of noise" reverberates with the chant: "Kill that black ape." (from a summary of Native Son)

Can we at least agree the cartoonist should be fired? He's, at worst, unfunny and evil. And at best, unfunny and stupid for not attending his own discourse. It's his job to know cultural symbols. Especially the dangerous ones.

kamek85

02-23-2009, 08:26 AM

Bubba Colbert

02-23-2009, 11:53 AM

Bubba Colbert

02-23-2009, 11:54 AM

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

I said something like that last week.

_BullDog_

02-23-2009, 11:57 AM

Can we at least agree the cartoonist should be fired? He's, at worst, unfunny and evil. And at best, unfunny and stupid for not attending his own discourse. It's his job to know cultural symbols. Especially the dangerous ones.
why should he be fired? No one cared when Bush was compared to a chimp and he didn't even compare obam to a chimp - he compared the writes of the bill to a chimp.

2pac Shakur

02-23-2009, 01:10 PM

The NAACP or Sharpton can't admit that racism is dead because then they cease having a reason to raise money. They have a 52 card deck of nothing but race cards. It's the only card they know how to play.

You think racism is dead?

Bubba Colbert

02-23-2009, 02:27 PM

You think racism is dead?

I think it is in some people's best interests to keep racism as an issue alive and see it and publicize it's existence even where it does not exist.

We did elect a black president after all, does that not mean anything to anybody?

What kind of future do the Shapston's, the "reverend" Jackosn's and the NAACP's have if there is an end to racism and a color blind society? If they wanted to end racism and succeeded then they would become irrelevant, hence their need to not succed as it would make them useless failures.

BigBen

02-23-2009, 02:32 PM

We did elect a black president after all, does that not mean anything to anybody?

I thought it meant something. However, I was reminded by many proud white Republicans that applying any 'meaning' to this supposed milestone means that I am racist against whites and harbor feelings of 'white guilt'

(I am white, although my avatar is not)

Bubba Colbert

02-23-2009, 02:39 PM

I thought it meant something.

So have you sought therapy to deal with your repressed guilt?

BigBen

02-23-2009, 03:24 PM

So have you sought therapy to deal with your repressed guilt?

No, I don't actually have any guilt. I just get annoyed at all the self-righteous whites who tell me that I am supposed to act like a victim, now. I'm not.

Racism exists in this country. You can deny it if you like, but you might as well bury your head in the sand.

Bubba Colbert

02-23-2009, 03:52 PM

No, I don't actually have any guilt. I just get annoyed at all the self-righteous whites who tell me that I am supposed to act like a victim, now. I'm not.

Racism exists in this country. You can deny it if you like, but you might as well bury your head in the sand.

You are a victim. Have you opened your 401k statement since last summer when it became clear that Obama would be elected? The markets have tanked since then. And racism exists no doubt, it is perpetuated by people like Sharpton and the NaaCP, but it did not exist in the chimp cartoon, not from the cartoonist or the paper.

And I'm sure a few people will feel like burying their collective heads in the sand during the next few years, call me when the nightmare is over, a peaceful sand nap might be preferable to what's going on above the sand.

lennie

02-23-2009, 03:54 PM

Can I call Obama a bank robber? Or is this also forbidden because he is black?

Don McCain

02-23-2009, 03:56 PM

You are a victim. Have you opened your 401k statement since last summer when it became clear that Obama would be elected? The markets have tanked since then. And racism exists no doubt, it is perpetuated by people like Sharpton and the NaaCP, but it did not exist in the chimp cartoon, not from the cartoonist or the paper.

And I'm sure a few people will feel like burying their collective heads in the sand during the next few years, call me when the nightmare is over, a peaceful sand nap might be preferable to what's going on above the sand.

Does this mean only blacks are racist?

Bubba Colbert

02-23-2009, 03:59 PM

Can I call Obama a bank robber? Or is this also forbidden because he is black?

You can't criticize Obama because to do so makes you racist.

win diesel

02-23-2009, 04:10 PM

You are a victim. Have you opened your 401k statement since last summer when it became clear that Obama would be elected? The markets have tanked since then.

Indeed they have been tanking. But at least no more terrorists have had water put up their noses.

sweetiepie

02-23-2009, 04:22 PM

In summary, it was ok for liberals to make fun of Bush or compare him to a chimp or call him dumb because he was not a democrat.

But if anyone makes fun of Obama or does not jump on board with his communist agenda to nationalize the financial industry and then healthcare, then they must be racist.

The NAACP or Sharpton can't admit that racism is dead because then they cease having a reason to raise money. They have a 52 card deck of nothing but race cards. It's the only card they know how to play.

In summary:
you don't bring up lipstick when talking to ladies.
you don't bring up al qaeda when talking to muslims.
you don't bring up nazis or money-lenders when talking to jews.
you don't bring up nooses or primates when talking to black people.

we live in a world where words have many meanings. you don't have to know this, but a political cartoonist ought.

Don McCain

02-23-2009, 04:25 PM

In summary:
you don't bring up lipstick, pigs or pigs wearing lipstick when talking to ladies.
you don't bring up al qaeda when talking to muslims.
you don't bring up nazis or money-lenders when talking to jews.
you don't bring up nooses or primates when talking to black people.

we live in a world where words have many meanings. you don't have to know this, but a political cartoonist ought.

IFYP

BigBen

02-23-2009, 04:26 PM

Can I call Obama a bank robber? Or is this also forbidden because he is black?

Sure, then what would you call Bonnie and Clyde, bank saviours?

BigBen

02-23-2009, 04:28 PM

You are a victim. Have you opened your 401k statement since last summer when it became clear that Obama would be elected?

Yes, my 401(k) is down. I blame black people who voted for Obama merely because he is black.

win diesel

02-23-2009, 04:31 PM

I blame black people who voted for Obama merely because he is black.

Well, they didn't help matters

BigBen

02-23-2009, 04:32 PM

Well, they didn't help matters

I agree. Black people are terrible.

Bubba Colbert

02-23-2009, 04:44 PM

In summary:
you don't bring up lipstick when talking to ladies.
you don't bring up al qaeda when talking to muslims.
you don't bring up nazis or money-lenders when talking to jews.
you don't bring up nooses or primates when talking to black people.

we live in a world where words have many meanings. you don't have to know this, but a political cartoonist ought.

Disagree. No matter what the cartoon is there will be hypersensitive people who want to find offense where there is none. It is better to stand up to those people than to give in to them. Sometimes you have to call a spade a spade and a chimp a chimp.

Bubba Colbert

02-23-2009, 04:45 PM

I agree. racists are terrible.

ifyp

Harry

02-23-2009, 04:45 PM

Disagree. No matter what the cartoon is there will be hypersensitive people who want to find offense where there is none. It is better to stand up to those people than to give in to them. Sometimes you have to call a spade a spade and a chimp a chimp.
and a racist a racist...

Don McCain

02-23-2009, 04:46 PM

ifyp

Does this mean only blacks are racist?

You never answered this.....

Bubba Colbert

02-23-2009, 04:47 PM

You never answered this.....

You were serious? I thought it rhetorical.

Don McCain

02-23-2009, 04:49 PM

You were serious? I thought it rhetorical.

No I was serious, you were only naming blacks as racists. I have never in all of your posting saw you refer to a white person being capable of being racist.

Bubba Colbert

02-23-2009, 05:07 PM

No I was serious, you were only naming blacks as racists. I have never in all of your posting saw you refer to a white person being capable of being racist.

What percentage of whites voted for McCain? What percentage of whites voted for Obama? What percentage of blacks voted for McCain? What percentage of blacks voted for Obama?

oirg

02-24-2009, 08:01 AM

What percentage of whites voted for McCain? What percentage of whites voted for Obama? What percentage of blacks voted for McCain? What percentage of blacks voted for Obama?

What percentage of blacks normally vote for a Democrat? What percentage of whites normally vote for a Democrat? What percentage of blacks normally vote for a Republican? What percentage of whites normally vote for a Republican?

The difference in the above two sets of statistics may identify racists.

Che Obama

02-24-2009, 08:05 AM

In summary:
you don't bring up lipstick when talking to ladies.
you don't bring up al qaeda when talking to muslims.
you don't bring up nazis or money-lenders when talking to jews.
you don't bring up nooses or primates when talking to black people.

we live in a world where words have many meanings. you don't have to know this, but a political cartoonist ought.In other words, anyone who publically compared Bush to a chimp during the past 8 years is a racist since a black person may have heard or seen the comparison.

Don McCain

02-24-2009, 08:16 AM

What percentage of whites voted for McCain? What percentage of whites voted for Obama? What percentage of blacks voted for McCain? What percentage of blacks voted for Obama?

What does this have to do with racism? Are you trying say blacks are more racist than whites based on how they have voted for the last 40 years?

Or are you just another person crying racism in places it doesn't exist?

Che Obama

02-24-2009, 08:19 AM

Or am I just another person denying racism in places it does obviously exist?Yes.

BJQ

02-24-2009, 09:07 AM

Look, In a free society I can call Obama a bug eating chimp if I want too. It doesn't make me right but I can say that. Of course others can point out my weaknesses that I require such a comparison.

There were similar misguided criticisms placed on Bush, the name Kanye West comes to mind amongst others. When you are on top you are any easy target. Bush learned it and now Barack is learning it. To me this is equality, certainly others may have a different perspective, and there points may be valid. Fairness is recieving the same treatment as your counterpart.

Che Obama

02-24-2009, 09:15 AM

There were similar misguided criticisms placed on Bush, the name Kanye West comes to mind amongst others. When you are on top you are any easy target. Bush learned it and now Barack is learning it. To me this is equality, certainly others may have a different perspective, and there points may be valid. Fairness is recieving the same treatment as your counterpart.That's sort of the issue. Barack isn't learning it since he isn't receiving the same treatment.

The Drunken Actuary

02-24-2009, 10:11 AM

The Drunken Actuary

02-24-2009, 10:12 AM

No matter what the cartoon is there will be hypersensitive people who want to find offense where there is none.That explains why Rupert Murdoch aplogizes for every single cartoon the Post ever prints.

Don McCain

02-24-2009, 10:15 AM

Rupert Murdoch offers apology for cartoon.
http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/02/24/cartoon.murdoch/index.html

Of course the cartoon was completely unoffensive and no reasonable person could ever think otherwise but he apologized anyway. I wonder why.

Notice how this time they didn't attack anyone (namely sharpton and NAACP) for suggesting it might be racist. They should have exercised better judgement.

Che Obama

02-24-2009, 10:16 AM

I wonder why.Because Al Sharpton was shaking down the newspaper which ran a story last year exposing many of Al Sharpton's shake downs.

Don McCain

02-24-2009, 10:18 AM

Because Al Sharpton was shaking down the newspaper which ran a story last year exposing many of Al Sharpton's shake downs.

If it's so obvious that this is a shakedown, why apologize, twice?

Bubba Colbert

02-24-2009, 10:25 AM

If it's so obvious that this is a shakedown, why apologize, twice?

Because people who follow people like Sharpton benefit from participating in shake downs. Do you refuse to pay your taxes because the government wastes money? The IRS can shake you down because not paying will cost you. A newspaper will often have to give in to a community activist because the PR of not giving in isn't worth it even if they are right.

Don McCain

02-24-2009, 10:27 AM

Because people who follow people like Sharpton benefit from participating in shake downs. Do you refuse to pay your taxes because the government wastes money? The IRS can shake you down because not paying will cost you. A newspaper will often have to give in to a community activist because the PR of not giving isn't worth it even if they are right.

Sorry I'm not buying it.

Che Obama

02-24-2009, 10:28 AM

If it's so obvious that this is a shakedown, why apologize, twice?You're not familiar with how a shakedown works.

Don McCain

02-24-2009, 10:30 AM

You're not familiar with how a shakedown works.

I don't recall Sharpton or NAACP asking for anything from the NY Post.

Che Obama

02-24-2009, 10:31 AM

I don't recall Sharpton or NAACP asking for anything from the NY Post.Repeat (http://www.actuarialoutpost.com/actuarial_discussion_forum/showpost.php?p=3483685&postcount=343) as needed.

Bubba Colbert

02-24-2009, 10:32 AM

I don't recall Sharpton or NAACP asking for anything from the NY Post.

THey asked for apologies and for people to be fired or else they would organize boycotts of the paper and advertisers.

That's usually step 1 of the shakedown. Again, you don't know how shake downs work.

Don McCain

02-24-2009, 10:32 AM

Repeat (http://www.actuarialoutpost.com/actuarial_discussion_forum/showpost.php?p=3483685&postcount=343) as needed.

Explain how a shakedown works.

Don McCain

02-24-2009, 10:33 AM

THey asked for apologies and for people to be fired or else they would organize boycotts of the paper and advertisers.

That's usually step 1 of the shakedown. Again, you don't know how shake downs work.

The editor should be fired, he is to blame for the negative press.

Bubba Colbert

02-24-2009, 10:34 AM

Explain how a shakedown works.

Do some research on Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton.

Don McCain

02-24-2009, 10:34 AM

Do some research on Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton.

Why? Did they draw cartoons too?

Che Obama

02-24-2009, 10:34 AM

Explain how a shakedown works.The Shaker and the Shakee hold a press conference to announce the exact dollar amount the Shakee must pay the Shaker. Then they all go out for ice cream.

Bubba Colbert

02-24-2009, 10:35 AM

The editor should be fired, he is to blame for the negative press.

Right. Maybe one day you will be the target of a shakedown and then you can judge better.

Don McCain

02-24-2009, 10:36 AM

The Shaker and the Shakee hold a press conference to announce the exact dollar amount the Shakee must pay the Shaker. Then they all go out for ice cream.

Who's asking the NY Post for money?

The Drunken Actuary

02-24-2009, 10:36 AM

Because Al Sharpton was shaking down the newspaper which ran a story last year exposing many of Al Sharpton's shake downs.

I was offended by Garfield last week. I think I'll shakedown someone.

Bubba Colbert

02-24-2009, 11:04 AM

I was offended by Garfield last week. I think I'll shakedown someone.

You don't have a following that you can dupe into assisting you in the shakedwon process.

Pseudolus

02-24-2009, 08:13 PM

http://bloggingheads.tv/diavlogs/17911?in=19:58&out=22:25

lennie

02-24-2009, 09:57 PM

I like it. Liberals, on the other hand, have invented reverse lynch mobs.

An HCD Research poll of self-reported Democrats, Republicans and independents showed that a majority of voters in all three groups believe the cartoon had racist undertones.

More than half (61%) of those questioned felt it was directed toward Obama and that the editor who approved it should be held responsible.

http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2009/02/24/2009-02-24_apology_not_accepted_sharpton_not_satisf.html

http://thirdwatch.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/piano-monkey.jpg

As posted in response to Condi playing the piano for the Queen of England... only on democraticunderground

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x4571384

Bubba Colbert

02-25-2009, 09:37 AM

If the chimp had been reading from a teleprompter causing other chimps to clap hands and throw feces then the chimp could be associated with Obama.

The Drunken Actuary

02-25-2009, 09:38 AM

If the chimp had been reading from a teleprompter causing other chimps to clap hands and throw feces then the chimp could be associated with Obama.
Wait, is his reading stiff and fumbled? If so, he could be Bush or Jindal instead.

The Drunken Actuary

02-25-2009, 09:39 AM

You don't have a following that you can dupe into assisting you in the shakedwon process.

Says who?

kazh

02-25-2009, 12:11 PM

Says who? u R drunk! :popcorn:

The Waiting Hurts

02-25-2009, 09:44 PM

The NAACP or Sharpton can't admit that racism is dead...I find it interesting when people make statements like this; why is it exactly that some people think racism is dead?

Che Obama

02-25-2009, 10:03 PM

I find it interesting when people make statements like this; why is it exactly that some people think racism is dead?It's not dead. There are plenty of racists who think of Obama when they see a chimp.

Pseudolus

03-03-2009, 12:23 PM

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v233/pseudolus/RFPix/MGG0303.gif

Reaction?

Our Beloved Leader

03-03-2009, 12:25 PM

Autograph seekers are weird-looking dogs.

Don McCain

03-03-2009, 12:56 PM

Autograph seekers are weird-looking dogs.

why change names if you intentionally out yourself?

The Catholic Actuary

03-03-2009, 01:10 PM

This cartoon is disgusting. I feel we should go lynch Robert Murduck.

Don McCain

03-05-2009, 12:04 AM

A Connecticut woman who was mauled last month by a chimpanzee remains in critical condition at the Cleveland Clinic, and her potential for recovery remains unclear, the facility said Wednesday.
Travis, seen here as a younger chimp, was fatally shot by police.

Travis, seen here as a younger chimp, was fatally shot by police.

Charla Nash, 55, lost her nose, upper and lower lips, eyelids and both her hands in the attack, as well as the "bony structures in her mid-face," the Cleveland Clinic said in a written statement.

"While these wounds have been stabilized, critical issues still remain related to a significant traumatic brain injury and injuries to her eyes that threaten her vision," the facility said.

"The full extent of these injuries, and her potential for recovery, if any, remain unclear at this time."

Nash was mauled February 16 by her neighbor's pet 14-year-old chimpanzee, named Travis, in Stamford, Connecticut.
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* Doctors weigh chimp victim's course of treatment

Police shot Travis to halt the attack, and he later died of gunshot wounds.

Nash was transported to the famed Cleveland Clinic in Ohio, where the nation's first face transplant had been performed.

The facility said Wednesday that "any consideration of reconstructive options is premature at this time:haha:

What a funny cartoon! I say the NY Post should make a cartoon to parody the lady that was attacked next.

Our Beloved Leader

03-05-2009, 04:13 AM

why change names if you intentionally out yourself?What are you talking about?

Abnormal

03-05-2009, 09:30 AM

Of course racism is not dead.

Nowhere is Michigan's brain drain on greater display than in the Detroit City Council chambers.

My hopes for Detroit's future faded as I watched the tape of last Tuesday's council meeting, the one that considered the Cobo Center expansion deal.

It was a tragic circus, a festival of ignorance that confirmed the No. 1 obstacle to Detroit's progress is the bargain basement leaders that city voters elect. The black nationalism that is now the dominant ideology of the council was on proud display, both at the table and in the audience.

Speakers advocating for the deal were taunted by the crowd and cut short by Council President Monica Conyers, who presided over the hearing like an angry bulldog; whites were advised by the citizens to, "Go home."

Opponents were allowed to rant and ramble on uninterrupted about "those people" who want to steal Detroit's assets and profit from the city's labors.

A pitiful Teamster official who practically crawled to the table on his knees expressing profuse respect for this disrespectful body was battered by both the crowd and the council.

When he dared suggest that an improved Cobo Center would create more good-paying jobs for union workers, Conyers reminded him, "Those workers look like you; they don't look like me."

Desperate, he invoked President Barack Obama's message of unity and was angrily warned, "Don't yousay his name here."

Juxtapose the place and the faces and imagine a white Livonia City Council treating a black union representative with such overt racial hostility. The Justice Department would swoop down like a hawk, and the Rev. Al Sharpton would clog Five Mile Road with protesters.

But in Detroit, dealing with the council's bigotry is part of the cost of doing business. As is dealing with its incompetence. (I'll pause here and excuse from that indictment Sheila Cockrel and Brenda Jones, who supported the Cobo deal, as did Kwame Kenyatta, who although he's an avowed nationalist, most often votes in the city's best interests.)

Emmet Moten, the developer who just opened the Fort Shelby Hotel downtown, was at the meeting and found it appalling. Moten went to Lansing in 1983 on behalf of Mayor Coleman Young to successfully lobby for a regional tax to support Cobo.

"And now we're saying, 'We don't want your money,'" Moten says. "If Coleman were alive today, he'd be outraged. It hurts, it really hurts."

Now, Moten says, "we Detroiters gotta be outraged."

Outraged enough to go to the polls in November and elect a brighter, more responsible council. Moten and others I talked with this week are encouraged that mayoral primary voters picked Dave Bing and Ken Cockrel Jr., the two most rational candidates on the ballot.

The test now will be whether it's those primary voters or the angry council crowd who represent the real Detroit.

As Moten notes, "You can't fix this for us. We have to fix it ourselves."

Nobody can help Detroit if voters again elect a City Council composed of separatists, clueless dowagers and the apparently insane
(emphasis added)

http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090301/OPINION03/903010308/1008/OPINION01

Bubba Colbert

03-05-2009, 09:35 AM

So the detwoyt council acts like angry chimps?

Bubba Colbert

03-05-2009, 09:36 AM

why change names if you intentionally out yourself?

HFBB

Don McCain

03-05-2009, 09:36 AM

Of course racism is not dead.

(emphasis added)

http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090301/OPINION03/903010308/1008/OPINION01

My buddy in Detroit says racism is pretty bad there, and it goes both ways. But I'm sure if a black person were the victim of it, you'd find a way to say that it wasn't racist.

Louis Rich

11-11-2009, 04:49 PM

http://msnbcmedia3.msn.com/j/MSNBC/Components/Video/091111/n_drnancy_chimpvictim3_091111.standard.jpg This is the face of the woman mauled by the chimp.

Runner

11-11-2009, 07:03 PM

The cartoonist said Chimp. People like you assumed the chimp meant Obama. Making that leap reveals the people with racism in their eyes.
It wasn't some random chimp. The cartoonist said he was responsible for the stimulus bill.

Baron Von Raschke

11-11-2009, 07:05 PM

Must have meant Pelosi.

Bubba Colbert

11-12-2009, 03:33 PM

It wasn't some random chimp. The cartoonist said he was responsible for the stimulus bill.

Right, it wasn't a random chmip, it was a crazy chimp that had been put down at the zoo. The joke was that CONGRESS, who writes bills in case you didn't cover that in civics class, must have hired the crazy chimp to write the awful legislation they came up with. Since the zoo chimp was dead, congress would have to find someone else to do it next time.

Since the chimp was DEAD, and Obama was ALIVE, it makes no sense to interpret that the cartoonist meant to call Obama a chimp. If Obama wrote the first crap legislation they would not have to find someone else to write the next crap legislation.

Louis Rich

11-12-2009, 03:38 PM

The Huffington Post's Sam Stein reported this afternoon (http://mediamatters.org/rd?to=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.huffingtonpost.com%2F2009%2 F10%2F06%2Fny-post-fires-editor-crit_n_311432.html) that the New York Post has confirmed that an "editor who spoke out against a controversial cartoon the paper ran comparing the author of the president's stimulus package to a dead chimpanzee has been fired from her job."

http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gen/109565/thumbs/s-NY-POST-CARTOON-large.jpgMore from Stein's report (http://mediamatters.org/rd?to=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.huffingtonpost.com%2F2009%2 F10%2F06%2Fny-post-fires-editor-crit_n_311432.html):
Sandra Guzman was quietly dismissed from her position as associate editor last week for reasons that are being hotly debated by personnel inside the company. An official statement from the New York Post, provided to the Huffington Post, said that her job was terminated once the paper ended the section she was editing.

"Sandra is no longer with The Post because the monthly in-paper insert, Tempo, of which she was the editor, has been discontinued."

Employees at the paper -- which is one of media mogul's Rupert Murdoch's crown jewels -- said the firing, which took place last Tuesday, seemed retributive.

Guzman was the most high-profile Post employee to publicly speak out against a cartoon that likened the author (http://mediamatters.org/rd?to=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.huffingtonpost.com%2F2009%2 F02%2F18%2Fnew-york-post-chimp-carto_n_167841.html) of the stimulus bill (whom nearly everyone associated with President Barack Obama) with a rabid primate. Drawn by famed cartoonist Sean Delonas, the illustration pictured two befuddled policeman -- having just shot the chimp twice in the chest -- saying: "They'll have to find someone else to write the next stimulus bill."

"I neither commissioned or approved it," Guzman wrote (http://mediamatters.org/rd?to=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.huffingtonpost.com%2F2009%2 F02%2F19%2Fnew-york-post-employees-u_n_168267.html) to a list of journalist colleagues shortly thereafter. "I saw it in the paper yesterday with the rest of the world. And, I have raised my objections to management."

The remark from Guzman was a rare instance of dissension within the halls of the paper making its way into the public domain. And sources at the Post now say it cost her a job.

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Pseudolus

11-12-2009, 03:51 PM

It wasn't some random chimp. The cartoonist said he was responsible for wrote the stimulus bill..

Bubba Colbert

11-12-2009, 03:53 PM

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Everyone at the Huffington Post associated the Chimp with President Barack Obama, but no one has yet shown that ANY reasonable person who applies logic has associated the Chimp with Obama.

Bubba Colbert

11-12-2009, 03:55 PM

So guzman was fired. Good riddance. Another incompetant irrational idiot fired. So what.

Louis Rich

11-12-2009, 03:57 PM

So guzman was fired. Good riddance. Another incompetant irrational idiot fired. So what.

The same day a former editor sued the New York Post for racial discrimination, the paper fired one of its more prominent minority reporters.
Austin Fenner, who had been poached by the Post from the rival New York Daily News back in 2007, was let go from the paper on Monday, sources at the paper and outside of it tell the Huffington Post.
The reason for his departure isn't clear. Reached by phone, Fenner, an African-American, confirmed his firing but declined to expand further. A spokesperson for the New York Post said that the paper had "no comment on Mr. Fenner's employment status."
The same day Fenner was let go, former Post editor Sandra Guzman sued the paper as well as its editor in chief (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/10/shocking-allegations-levi_n_352314.html) Col Allan, alleging harassment as well as "unlawful employment practices and retaliation."
"The Post, and its parent company, News Corporation, maintain, condone, tolerate, directly participate in and contribute to a hostile work environment against its female employees and employees of color," Guzman's complaint read. Guzman had been, until her departure from the paper, the only woman of color (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/06/ny-post-fires-editor-crit_n_311432.html) on the paper's management staff.
The Post has maintained that Guzman was dropped because the section she headed -- Tempo -- had experienced a drop in readership and was discontinued. It could very well be that Fenner's departure was driven by business considerations.
That said, Fenner's initial hiring did not occur all that long ago and was considered something of a minor coup for the paper. He was reportedly lured away (http://gawker.com/253005/tabloid-salaries-post-poaches-while-news-freezes) from the rival Daily News with a bigger paycheck.
An earlier version of this story stated that Guzman's suit was filed on Tuesday; it was filed on Monday.

Add this guy to your list.

Bubba Colbert

11-12-2009, 04:26 PM

Add this guy to your list.

It could very well be that Fenner's departure was driven by business considerations.

So a paper had to let some people go for business reasons, but you claim it was because of race. So if the same paper also let go some white employees what rationale do you use?

And when they let go a minority employee, it was a racist paper because they had a cartoon with a chimp in it so they let them go because of racism. Except the chimp was representing a real dead chimp so it wasn't racist. If the paper was so racist, why did it hire the black employees in the first place? Is your theory that the racist paper hired them so they could later fire them? Sorry, one day you may realize that every layoff or every bad thing that happens to minorities isn't because of racism. I guess if you can sue for millions though, why stop playing the race/money card.

Louis Rich

11-12-2009, 04:29 PM

So a paper had to let some people go for business reasons, but you claim it was because of race.

:blah:
Sorry bubba, all I have done was copy and paste an article.

Bubba Colbert

11-12-2009, 04:32 PM

As the Chairman of the New York Post, I am ultimately responsible for what is printed in its pages. The buck stops with me.

Last week, we made a mistake. We ran a cartoon that offended many people. Today I want to personally apologize to any reader who felt offended, and even insulted.

Over the past couple of days, I have spoken to a number of people and I now better understand the hurt this cartoon has caused. At the same time, I have had conversations with Post editors about the situation and I can assure you - without a doubt - that the only intent of that cartoon was to mock a badly written piece of legislation. It was not meant to be racist, but unfortunately, it was interpreted by many as such.

We all hold the readers of the New York Post in high regard and I promise you that we will seek to be more attuned to the sensitivities of our community.

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/regional/statement_from_rupert_murdoch_6kLi3RbVBSCGchKuGxW5 7M#ixzz0WgPkH5OC

You really think the cartoonist MEANT the cartoon to be racist? Sure some idiots PERCEIVED it to be racist, because some bafoons (or Baboons) perceive racism in EVERYTHING. People like Al Sharpton was out in front of this from the begining because they make a living out of PERCEIVING racism in everything.

Bubba Colbert

11-12-2009, 04:34 PM

Sorry bubba, all I have done was copy and paste.

Yea, one day.

Oh so you posted it because you disagreed with it? That's odd, just a random paste and click, so you have no opinion? Sorry, I wasn't born yesterday. You can run from the opinion you posted, but you can't hide your feelings.

Louis Rich

11-12-2009, 04:35 PM

Oh so you posted it because you disagreed with it? That's odd, just a random paste and click, so you have no opinion? Sorry, I wasn't born yesterday. You can run from the opinion you posted, but you can't hide your feelings.
Is that you Miss Cleo?

Bubba Colbert

11-12-2009, 04:36 PM

Is that you Miss Cleo?

No, I'm the real deal, Cleo was a fraud.

Bubba Colbert

11-12-2009, 04:47 PM

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/comic-riffs/2009/02/the_stimulus_monkey_is_todays.html

Posted by: tdw1972 | February 18, 2009 5:40 PM

Monkeys have long been depicted when satirizing something that's inane and senseless. Many feel that way about the stimulus bill congress has passed. The cartoon was a clever way of connecting a current event with political satire. I doubt seriously the cartoonist had any racial motive in mind when he drew it, but the Post must have realized this might trigger a knee-jerk reaction among minorities.

Posted by: taylorgso | February 18, 2009 5:41 PM

It is quite commonplace to describe a messy, confusing, or illogical document (or legislation) as sounding as if it were written by a drunken monkey, or something similar. The cartoon is a really dumb attempt to be "relevant" by referencing the shooting of the violent chimp in Connecticut and trying to tie that in with the stimulus package, but it's not a racial slur or an encouragement of assassination.

Bubba Colbert

11-12-2009, 04:49 PM

The real identity of the dead chimp:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/feb/18/pet-chimp-killed-in-rampage/

HARTFORD, Conn. (AP) | A 200-pound domesticated chimpanzee who once starred in TV commercials for Old Navy and Coca-Cola was fatally shot by police after a rampage that left a friend of its owner severely mauled.

Sandra Herold, who owned the 15-year-old chimp named Travis, wrestled with the animal, stabbed it and hit it with a shovel after it inexplicably attacked her friend Charla Nash, 55.

Miss Nash had gone to Miss Herold's home in Stamford on Monday to help her coax the chimp back into the house after he got out, police said. After the animal lunged at Miss Nash when she got out of her car, Miss Herold ran inside to call 911 and returned armed.