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VDH
08-06-2010, 12:34 PM
Obama needs to go. NOW! :exams::exams::exams::exams::-?:-?

Why? Well, tack on reason #1,999,999,999: shutting down innocent little girls' lemonade stands.

AARRRGGHHH!!! OBAMA NEEDS TO STEP DOWN NOW!@! :exams:

http://media.oregonlive.com/portland_impact/photo/lemonade1jpgjpg-0930a77be036a276_large.jpg

It's hardly unusual to hear small-business owners gripe about licensing requirements or complain that heavy-handed regulations are driving them into the red.

So when Multnomah County shut down an enterprise last week for operating without a license, you might just sigh and say, there they go again.

Except this entrepreneur was a 7-year-old named Julie Murphy. Her business was a lemonade stand at the Last Thursday monthly art fair in Northeast Portland. The government regulation she violated? Failing to get a $120 temporary restaurant license.

Turns out that kids' lemonade stands -- those constants of summertime -- are supposed to get a permit in Oregon, particularly at big events that happen to be patrolled regularly by county health inspectors.

"I understand the reason behind what they're doing and it's a neighborhood event, and they're trying to generate revenue," said Jon Kawaguchi, environmental health supervisor for the Multnomah County Health Department. "But we still need to put the public's health first."

Julie had become enamored of the idea of having a stand after watching an episode of cartoon pig Olivia running one, said her mother, Maria Fife. The two live in Oregon City, but Fife knew her daughter would get few customers if she set up her stand at home.

Plus, Fife had just attended Last Thursday along Portland's Northeast Alberta Street for the first time and loved the friendly feel and the diversity of the grass-roots event. She put the two things together and promised to take her daughter in July.

The girl worked on a sign, coloring in the letters and decorating it with a drawing of a person saying "Yummy." She made a list of supplies.

Then, with gallons of bottled water and packets of Kool-Aid, they drove up last Thursday with a friend and her daughter. They loaded a wheelbarrow that Julie steered to the corner of Northeast 26th and Alberta and settled into a space between a painter and a couple who sold handmade bags and kids' clothing.

Even before her daughter had finished making the first batch of lemonade, a man walked up to buy a 50-cent cup.

"They wanted to support a little 7-year-old to earn a little extra summer loot," she said. "People know what's going on."

Even so, Julie was careful about making the lemonade, cleaning her hands with hand sanitizer, using a scoop for the bagged ice and keeping everything covered when it wasn't in use, Fife said.

After 20 minutes, a "lady with a clipboard" came over and asked for their license. When Fife explained they didn't have one, the woman told them they would need to leave or possibly face a $500 fine.

Surprised, Fife started to pack up. The people staffing the booths next to them encouraged the two to stay, telling them the inspectors had no right to kick them out of the neighborhood gathering. They also suggested that they give away the lemonade and accept donations instead and one of them made an announcement to the crowd to support the lemonade stand.

That's when business really picked up -- and two inspectors came back, Fife said. Julie started crying, while her mother packed up and others confronted the inspectors. "It was a very big scene," Fife said.

Technically, any lemonade stand -- even one on your front lawn -- must be licensed under state law, said Eric Pippert, the food-borne illness prevention program manager for the state's public health division. But county inspectors are unlikely to go after kids selling lemonade on their front lawn unless, he conceded, their front lawn happens to be on Alberta Street during Last Thursday.

"When you go to a public event and set up shop, you're suddenly engaging in commerce," he said. "The fact that you're small-scale I don't think is relevant."

Kawaguchi, who oversees the two county inspectors involved, said they must be fair and consistent in their monitoring, no matter the age of the person. "Our role is to protect the public," he said.

The county's shutdown of the lemonade stand was publicized by Michael Franklin, the man at the booth next to Fife and her daughter. Franklin contributes to the Bottom Up Radio Network, an online anarchist site, and interviewed Fife for his show.

Franklin is also organizing a "Lemonade Revolt" for Last Thursday in August. He's calling on anarchists, neighbors and others to come early for the event and grab space for lemonade stands on Alberta between Northeast 25th and Northeast 26th.

As for Julie, the 7-year-old still tells her mother "it was a bad day." When she complains about the health inspector, Fife reminds her that the woman was just doing her job. She also promised to help her try again -- at an upcoming neighborhood garage sale.

While Fife said she does see the need for some food safety regulation, she thinks the county went too far in trying to control events as unstructured as Last Thursday.

"As far as Last Thursday is concerned, people know when they are coming there that it's more or less a free-for-all," she said. "It's gotten to the point where they need to be in all of our decisions. They don't trust us to make good choices on our own."
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/portland_lemonade_stand_runs_i.html

Paro
08-06-2010, 12:43 PM
Do you realize that Obama is not responsible for county inspectors and state laws?

Vomik
08-06-2010, 12:46 PM
Sounds ilke they kicked out the old hag running it and using her daughter as bait. Classless and this flys in the face of common decency. This woman should be thrown in prison

if I believed in the death penalty I'd push for that.

BigBen
08-06-2010, 12:47 PM
I figured I had paid my debt to society
by paying all my overdue fines at the Multnomah County Library

whisper
08-06-2010, 12:49 PM
Leave it to VDH to take a serious problem with America and turn it into a lame joke at Obama. :roll:

The Obese Dog
08-06-2010, 12:49 PM
I figured I had paid my debt to society
by paying all my overdue fines at the Multnomah County Library

The Decemberists?

VDH
08-06-2010, 12:54 PM
Leave it to VDH to take a serious problem with America and turn it into a lame joke at Obama. :roll:

wtf???:-?:-?:-?

Obama needs to go bro. He needs to GO NOW!

I wish O'bama was a joke. Instead, he's my WORST FRICKING NIGHTMARE!!! You think he isn't responsible for this? Obama is ALL about bigger government and taking our freedoms away chunk by chunk.

It's happening NOW!

ADoubleDot
08-06-2010, 12:59 PM
I used to this VDH was being ironic with these threads but now I am worried that he sotally terious.

BigBen
08-06-2010, 12:59 PM
The Decemberists?

:guitarwo:

Browncoat
08-06-2010, 01:05 PM
Ever read the book, Help Mom! There are Liberals Under My Bed! ?

It's a kids book, in which the protagonist boys' lemonade stand is shut down by Hillary, Teddy, and I forget who else. Read it to your kids every night.

Harry
08-06-2010, 01:09 PM
Ever read the book, Help Mom! There are Liberals Under My Bed! ?

It's a kids book, in which the protagonist boys' lemonade stand is shut down by Hillary, Teddy, and I forget who else. Read it to your kids every night.
I feel bad for your kids.

Guerilla poster
08-06-2010, 01:11 PM
If the government gives you lemons make lemonade.

Omikron
08-06-2010, 01:19 PM
The Lemon Revolution begins this August!

SirVLCIV
08-06-2010, 01:21 PM
Ever read the book, Help Mom! There are Liberals Under My Bed! ?

It's a kids book, in which the protagonist boys' lemonade stand is shut down by Hillary, Teddy, and I forget who else. Read it to your kids every night.

You are the reason that I am not against public education. Please tell me your children aren't home-schooled. Please.

FormLetter
08-06-2010, 01:35 PM
Sounds ilke they kicked out the old hag running it and using her daughter as bait. Classless and this flys in the face of common decency. This woman should be thrown in prison

if I believed in the death penalty I'd push for that.

You don't have to believe in the death penalty.

Just believe in beheading. If she died, she dies. You didn't kill her, you just beheaded her. She died from lack of insurance.

Vomik
08-06-2010, 01:46 PM
You don't have to believe in the death penalty.

Just believe in beheading. If she died, she dies. You didn't kill her, you just beheaded her. She died from lack of insurance.

This is a good point. Now I can have my cake and eat it too

Any new posters: when you read my previous post please read it as though I recommended beheading, tia

whisper
08-06-2010, 01:58 PM
wtf???:-?:-?:-?

Obama needs to go bro. He needs to GO NOW!

I wish O'bama was a joke. Instead, he's my WORST FRICKING NIGHTMARE!!! You think he isn't responsible for this? Obama is ALL about bigger government and taking our freedoms away chunk by chunk.

It's happening NOW!

Yeah, it was also happening under W as well. Funny, I don't remember your lame schtick going on then. And yes, let there be absolutely no doubt in you mind that this is a lame schtick.

Plus, using this serious issue as an attack on Obama is a lame joke. It focuses the problem away from where it should be and on some other target. Regardless of how justifiable criticism of that target is, using unrelated stories as an attack weakens the importance of the unrelated story and any valid criticism that you may have.

You're just about as hard hitting as Herbert Hoover, and about as scintillating.

r. mutt
08-06-2010, 07:50 PM
wtf???:-?:-?:-?

Obama needs to go bro. He needs to GO NOW!

I wish O'bama was a joke. Instead, he's my WORST FRICKING NIGHTMARE!!! You think he isn't responsible for this? Obama is ALL about bigger government and taking our freedoms away chunk by chunk.

It's happening NOW!

Idiot. If you'd commented on her getting an early education about life in a liberal society, it would have been much more entertaining.