Chik fil A

[ADoubleDot]

Someone earlier also brought up the women vote thing. It's possible to believe women shouldn't be allowed to vote and still like women. I mean, how's it possible for a dude to hate women when you have to marry them?

I never realized how :bat::moon2::crazy: you are!! Wow.

[Actuary321]

However, the Bible does say "man and wife."Why did I hear Westley when I read that? Or was it Prince Humperdinck?

[Whiskey]

What I struggle with is why the bible is even part of the political/governmental debate. It has absolutely no place here.
:iatp:

[Agadefe]

No matter how much "loving" religious people want to love gays while still fighting against gay marriage, the fight against gay marriage is also the fight against gay social equality. What you do in your own mind is irrelevant compared to what your actions actually end up causing.

Here's a question. Why don't all these Christians fighting so hard against gay marriage instead fight to redefine all marriage as 'civil unions' and have marriage be a purely religious institution? Isn't that the goal really, to keep marriage in 'religious' bound? You think if the millions being thrown to keep gays from marrying was thrown at Senators to do this, a bill wouldn't be going through Senate yesterday?

[Mel-o-rama]

What I struggle with is why the bible is even part of the political/governmental debate. It has absolutely no place here.

Good question, but my answer to this is that government is run by people, and some people believe in the Bible. This is how the Bible is indirectly related to government.

Let's say that a person (eg Cathy) believes in the Bible and has a sincere concern that if we allow gay marriage it could cause God's wrath and calamities. Then in order to avoid such calamities, he should have every right to call up his senator and ask for certain legislation to be put into place. He may be misguided or :bat::moon2::crazy:, but doesn't he deserve a voice? Doesn't he have the right to express his concerns?

To say you can't use the Bible in the debate is tantamount to saying, "Hey you - shut up and let the rest of us talk this out." And that's just as bad as not letting women vote.

Instead of saying, "You suck. Shut up and stop hating us" to the Cathy clan, perhaps you should help them realize why the world isn't going to come to an end if gay marriage comes to pass. Resolve their legitimate concerns instead of telling them their concerns are stupid.

Loner, whisper, and other of you guys have helped me come around (part of the way)...

[Mel-o-rama]

Sorry - I meant whiskey, but whisper helped out too...

[vividox]

Instead of saying, "You suck. Shut up and stop hating us" to the Cathy clan, perhaps you should help them realize why the world isn't going to come to an end if gay marriage comes to pass. Resolve their legitimate concerns instead of telling them their concerns are stupid.
How in the world do you explain to a person that the world isn't going to end if gay marriage comes to pass if that's what they truly believe? Short of completely changing their religious beliefs, you are not going to convince them of anything.

[MyWifeThinksImGoodLooking]

I think this is stepping away from question of whether believing in X means "I hate people Y."

Yes, because I think that question is uninteresting. I don't think that anti-gay rights people hate gays. I think they are wrong, but I'm sure most of them don't hate gays. A few years ago when I opposed gay marriage, I didn't feel hate towards gay people.

[ADoubleDot]

How in the world do you explain to a person that the world isn't going to end if gay marriage comes to pass if that's what they truly believe? Short of completely changing their religious beliefs, you are not going to convince them of anything.
To add to that gays have already been getting married in a hand full of states and they did not sink into the ocean or devolve into lawlessness. So at this point they are denying the obvious truth in front of their own eyes.

[Uncle Ted]

I know that others have alluded to this, but I don't think you have responded. You keep using the phrase "traditional marriage" which you seem to think is extremely important. But a "traditional marriage" didn't include interracial couples. That was the "definition" for a very long time.

So my question to you is. Is it OK for the definition of marriage to change to include interracial couples? Is it OK for the definition of marriage to change to include same sex couples?

If you say yes to the first one and no to the second, your reasoning can't be because of the "definition" or because of "traditional marriage" can it?

This doesn't have to be just Amphiblitz. If anyone can reason this out for me, I would love to hear it.Where in history did interracial marriages not meet the definition of traditional marriage? There have always been marriages between tribes, countries and races. The US and maybe some other countries for a brief period decided that interracial marriages were not allowed (although really it wasn't even that interracial marriages weren't allowed, only white-black marriages were not allowed).

So I dispute your claim that that definition changed.

[erosewater]

Before I touch that, let me first say that it's possible to be against interracial marriage and still like the other race. For example, even today, some counselors may advise against interracial marriage just because of the cultural differences that could possibly lead to stress on the relationship. They don't say this because they believe that they shouldn't get married, but only because it might be a difficulty they would have to overcome.

Thanks for this very useful piece of information

[Mel-o-rama]

They'll listen.

I still believe homosexuality is wrong, but I at least believe I will be okay if we allow gay marriage.

According to what I understand from the Bible, homosexuality by itself isn't enough to destroy the world. I know people bring up Sodom and Gomorrah, but that city had other things going on besides homosexuality. Other than that, I can't think of anything in the Bible that says, "Allow gay marriage and everything falls apart." The Bible only says, "Don't do that."

But keep in mind that it took me a long time to get to this stage. Most Mormons right now would be willing to allow for civil unions (at least that's the feeling I get conversing with my peeps), and that seems to have happened only in the last few years.

We may not entirely agree with the "gay agenda" but some of us are listening.

[Funemployed]

What I struggle with is why the bible is even part of the political/governmental debate. It has absolutely no place here.

Tell that to Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego

[Whiskey]

Sorry - I meant whiskey, but whisper helped out too...
:tup:

[erosewater]

kind of like when the mormons prayed and asked god if they could stop discriminating against black people, and he said no and stop asking me. I'm sure god will eventually let you know if you pray enough

[Mel-o-rama]

Thanks for this very useful piece of information

I guess I should have disclaimed that I don't actually believe in that advice -- only that I heard it.

[Amphiblitz]

Where in history did interracial marriages not meet the definition of traditional marriage? There have always been marriages between tribes, countries and races. The US and maybe some other countries for a brief period decided that interracial marriages were not allowed (although really it wasn't even that interracial marriages weren't allowed, only white-black marriages were not allowed).

So I dispute your claim that that definition changed.

:iatp:

[erosewater]

I didn't think you believed in it, but "some dumbazzes believe some crazy ish such as ..." is not really moving the discussion forward. And if there's anything I hold dear it is moving the discussion forward

[erosewater]

poop

[erosewater]

farts

[MyWifeThinksImGoodLooking]

Where in history did interracial marriages not meet the definition of traditional marriage? There have always been marriages between tribes, countries and races. The US and maybe some other countries for a brief period decided that interracial marriages were not allowed (although really it wasn't even that interracial marriages weren't allowed, only white-black marriages were not allowed).

So I dispute your claim that that definition changed.

Alright. Withdrawn.

[Amphiblitz]

We may not entirely agree with the "gay agenda" but some of us are listening.

...and those on the other side of the debate shouldn't shoot down that "listening" by focusing so much on the points of disagreement and assuming that because someone isn't 100% behind the "agenda" they are 100% against it, bigots, gay haters, etc. That kind of tactic works wonders for the "listening".

[Mel-o-rama]

kind of like when the mormons prayed and asked god if they could stop discriminating against black people, and he said no and stop asking me. I'm sure god will eventually let you know if you pray enough

I don't think we Mormons will ever fully accept gay marriage, but I believe we will most likely become more willing to tolerate others getting gay-married. We'll realize that if you're not a Mormon, you shouldn't be held by Mormon rules--so go ahead and do what you want to do and be happy with your life.

That's the point I think we'll eventually come to.

[Mel-o-rama]

I didn't think you believed in it, but "some dumbazzes believe some crazy ish such as ..." is not really moving the discussion forward. And if there's anything I hold dear it is moving the discussion forward

Now that you mention it, that argument didn't really help me out. I'll have to remember not to use that one again. :blush:

[erosewater]

...and those on the other side of the debate shouldn't shoot down that "listening" by focusing so much on the points of disagreement and assuming that because someone isn't 100% behind the "agenda" they are 100% against it, bigots, gay haters, etc. That kind of tactic works wonders for the "listening".

If you're opposed to it and supporting an organization that actively works to prevent it, including spending a bunch of money that you donated to do so, then your "listening" is about as useful as this turd that I'm holding in my hand right now

[Baby, ByeBye]

Gay marriage is legal in many countries, and some states. the world hasn't ended. Does it mean God is waiting for it to be universally legal? I think its safe to say that some hidden tribe in the Amazon forest isn't going to legalize it any time soon, so we're as safe as Susan boyle's getting an STD

[The Cuddling Wingman]

Gay marriage is legal in many countries, and some states. the world hasn't ended. Does it mean God is waiting for it to be universally legal? I think its safe to say that some hidden tribe in the Amazon forest isn't going to legalize it any time soon, so we're as safe as Susan boyle's getting an STD

Or Baby, ByeBye getting an STD

[Mel-o-rama]

But what if by listening, he decides later not to support that organization anymore?

I don't send any money to what I believe are anti-gay organizations. In the same vein, I don't send any to pro-gay organizations, either. But then again, some of the money I donate to organization may go either pro-gay or anti-gay, but without my knowledge.

Coming back to Cathy, I will eat a Chick-Fil-A sandwich going forward. Not to make a political statement, but because I'm hungry and I like those sandwiches. I don't think buying one of those sandwiches constitutes donating money to an anti-gay organization. Cause if that were the case, I'm certain that I'm "donating" money to several different causes I don't agree with.

[Baby, ByeBye]

Or Baby, ByeBye getting an STD

That's not safe at all.

[Baby, ByeBye]

But what if by listening, he decides later not to support that organization anymore?

I don't send any money to what I believe are anti-gay organizations. In the same vein, I don't send any to pro-gay organizations, either. But then again, some of the money I donate to organization may go either pro-gay or anti-gay, but without my knowledge.

Coming back to Cathy, I will eat a Chick-Fil-A sandwich going forward. Not to make a political statement, but because I'm hungry and I like those sandwiches. I don't think buying one of those sandwiches constitutes donating money to an anti-gay organization. Cause if that were the case, I'm certain that I'm "donating" money to several different causes I don't agree with.

DIE YOU HOMOPHOBE!!!!

[Baby, ByeBye]

JK!

[Baby, ByeBye]

Maybe

[wolferine]

Gay marriage is legal in many countries, and some states. the world hasn't ended. Does it mean God is waiting for it to be universally legal? I think its safe to say that some hidden tribe in the Amazon forest isn't going to legalize it any time soon, so we're as safe as Susan boyle's getting an STD

Should Chicago not issue building permits to Muslim mosques, because muslims are anti-gay?

[wolferine]

I'm not saying the Chick-Fil-A corporation does, but they do financially provide for organizations that do which is why I, personally, choose not to visit their establishment.

I bet some of the other establishments you frequent have people working there with views you disagree with too.

Maybe you should not visit any establishment. And maybe people should not have free speech, and mayors like the one in Chicago should put people in jail or close their business if people get out of line with political correctness.

[Loner]

Sept 2004 - Christian conservatives boycott Proctor & Gamble.
(gay rights)

June 2005 - Christian conservatives boycott Ford.
(gay rights)

July 2006 - christian conservatives boycott Disney.
(gay rights issue)

Sept 2007 - Christian conservatives boycott Macy's.
(gay rights)

July 2008 - Christian conservatives boycott McDonalds.
(gay rights)

Aug 2008 - Christian conservatives boycott Hallmark greeting cards.
(gay rights)

Feb 2012 - Christian conservatives boycott Nike shoes.
(gay rights)

Feb 2012 - Christian conservatives boycott Home Depot.
(gay rights)

March 2012 - Christian conservatives boycott Starbucks.
(gay rights)

June 2012 - Christian conservatives boycott JCPenny's.
(gay rights)

June 2012 - Christian conservatives boycott Target.
(gay rights)

July 2012 - Christian conservatives boycott Google.
(gay rights)

August 2012 - Christian conservatives boycott Amazon.
(gay rights)

[Sentinel]

Did the mayors threaten to close down their business? Did Christian conservatives visit premises and make out?

[Serena]

Coming back to Cathy, I will eat a Chick-Fil-A sandwich going forward. Not to make a political statement, but because I'm hungry and I like those sandwiches. I don't think buying one of those sandwiches constitutes donating money to an anti-gay organization. Cause if that were the case, I'm certain that I'm "donating" money to several different causes I don't agree with.

The bolded part has been well established. A portion of the money you give them will indeed be donated to anti-gay organizations.

If you want to use the argument that "so what? I'm :qunq: probably :qunq: indirectly donating money all the time to stuff I don't even know about" then that's fine if that justifies it for you.

It doesn't for me. I KNOW that's where their money goes, and so I can't, in good conscience, give it to them.

I don't research every company I do business with before I do business with them. I don't expect you to either. But when one OPENLY and PROUDLY declares that this is the cause they support with their profits, then imo that justification becomes colossally LAME. And giving them money = supporting those same causes.

[OddSox]

glad I'm not a Chik-Fil-A employee. they had to deal with boatloads of idiots who spout off hate while ordering their chicken and today they'll have to deal with people who will probably treat them like crap because they're working for Chik-Fil-A.

[Happy Skunk]

Now I'm hungry.

[Baby, ByeBye]

Chick flame gay

[Hojo]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hojo
I'm not saying the Chick-Fil-A corporation does, but they do financially provide for organizations that do which is why I, personally, choose not to visit their establishment.

I bet some of the other establishments you frequent have people working there with views you disagree with too.

Maybe you should not visit any establishment. And maybe people should not have free speech, and mayors like the one in Chicago should put people in jail or close their business if people get out of line with political correctness.

I think you misunderstood my point. I have no problem with what Cathy believes in. I have no problem with what anyone who works at CFA believes in.

I have a problem that corporate profits are going to support groups that have a direct impact on my life and that is why I choose not to patronize their establishment.

I have said nothing about free speech. Cathy can say whatever he damn well pleases.

[ao fan]

glad I'm not a Chik-Fil-A employee. they had to deal with boatloads of idiots who spout off hate while ordering their chicken and today they'll have to deal with people who will probably treat them like crap because they're working for Chik-Fil-A.

If that's actually happening to the innocent employees then that sucks. Have there been reports of this?

[Browncoat]

Sept 2004 - Christian conservatives boycott Proctor & Gamble.,Ford.,Disney.,Macy's.,McDonalds., Hallmark greeting cards.,Nike shoes.,Home Depot.,Starbucks.,JCPenny's.,Target.,Google.,Amazo n.


Huh. They haven't done it very well. I, a Christian conservative, haven't boycotted any of those places, nor even knew there was a boycott on many of them.

:shrug:

[gadzookz]

Can I go into any restaurant and, without ordering any food, sit in a booth and makeout with my partner?

[FourKicks]

Can I go into any restaurant and, without ordering any food, sit in a booth and makeout with my partner?

if you want a booth you'll have to wait an extra ten minutes. outside we can seat you right away.

[Baby, ByeBye]

Can I go into any restaurant and, without ordering any food, sit in a booth and makeout with my partner?

There are many gays who have been doing this.

[Browncoat]

http://www.businessinsider.com/vante-cfo-bullies-chick-fil-a-worker-then-promptly-gets-fired-for-it-2012-8

Exec Bullies Chick-Fil-A Worker, Then Promptly Gets Fired For It

Adam Smith, former CFO and treasurer of medical supplies manufacturer Vante, caused quite a stir today when he put up a video of himself bullying a Chick-fil-A drive-thru employee in Tucson on YouTube.

Smith berates the worker about her company in the video, which was initially titled ”Reduce $’s to Chick-Fil-A’s Hate Groups.” It has since been taken down (though others have uploaded it too).

"I don't know how you live with yourself and work here," he tells the employee at the window. "I don't understand it. This is a horrible corporation with horrible values. You deserve better."

”I’m a nice guy, by the way … totally heterosexual," he continues. "Not a gay in me, I just can’t stand the hate.”

Vante didn't approve of Smith's behavior, and he's no longer working there.

There's lots of hate on both sides, sir, as you just demonstrated.

Vante regrets the unfortunate events that transpired yesterday in Tucson between our former CFO/Treasurer Adam Smith and an employee at Chick-fil-A. Effective immediately, Mr. Smith is no longer an employee of our company.

The actions of Mr. Smith do not reflect our corporate values in any manner. Vante is an equal opportunity company with a diverse workforce, which holds diverse opinions. We respect the right of our employees and all Americans to hold and express their personal opinions, however, we also expect our company officers to behave in a manner commensurate with their position and in a respectful fashion that conveys these values of civility with others.

We hope that the general population does not hold Mr. Smith's actions against Vante and its employees.

[mlschop]

Can straight people go make out at a CFA too? Or are we restricted from the fun? :-P

[Baby, ByeBye]

Can straight people go make out at a CFA too? Or are we restricted from the fun? :-P

You'll probably be mistaken as gay

[Anthemyst]

Can straight people go make out at a CFA too? Or are we restricted from the fun? :-P

You'll probably be mistaken as gay

Someone better wear a wig or a moustache just in case.

[redprinceton]

http://www.businessinsider.com/vante-cfo-bullies-chick-fil-a-worker-then-promptly-gets-fired-for-it-2012-8

What a jerk. The drive-thru worker is probably just trying to make rent, and this guy tries to make them feel responsible for fighting other people's ideological battles.

[OddSox]

If that's actually happening to the innocent employees then that sucks. Have there been reports of this?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/01/chick-fil-a-anti-gay-controversy-employees-speak-out_n_1729968.html

One gay employee who works at Chick-fil-A headquarters in Atlanta, Ga., and asked to remain anonymous for fear of losing his job, says he is getting it from both sides. On the one hand, there is the customer who came in and said he supported Dan Cathy and then "continues to say something truly homophobic, e.g. 'I'm so glad you don't support the queers, I can eat in peace,'" the employee, who is 23 and has worked for Chick-fil-A since he was 16, wrote in an email. On the other hand, he continued, "I was yelled at for being a god-loving, conservative, homophobic Christian while walking some food out to a guest in a mall dining room."

He disagrees with Cathy's views, but the reaction from the public has been just as hard to swallow.

"It seems like very few people have stopped to think about who actually works for Chick-fil-A and what those people's opinions are," he wrote. "They are putting us in a pot and coming to support us or hate us based on something they heard and assume we agree with."

also the story in Browncoat's post.

[ao fan]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/01/chick-fil-a-anti-gay-controversy-employees-speak-out_n_1729968.html
huh. not surprising. when i worked for a supermarket the customers were usually pricks. now they have an excuse to be bigger pricks and are apparently going for it.

[OddSox]

There's lots of hate on both sides, sir, as you just demonstrated.

Adam Smith, former CFO and treasurer of medical supplies manufacturer Vante, caused quite a stir today when he put up a video of himself bullying a Chick-fil-A drive-thru employee in Tucson on YouTube.

"I don't know how you live with yourself and work here," he tells the employee at the window. "I don't understand it. This is a horrible corporation with horrible values. You deserve better."

not everyone has your options, dude. what a toolbag.

[redprinceton]

huh. not surprising. when i worked for a supermarket the customers were usually pricks. now they have an excuse to be bigger pricks and are apparently going for it.

I got a lot of prick customers when I worked service jobs too. I eventually started reasoning that if their lives were so bad that they felt they needed to come in here and be rude to everyone, then I felt sorry for them. It made it easier to just shrug off things they would say or do.

I hope the Chik-Fil-A employees have a simmilar coping mechanism.

[E. Blackadder]

I'm conflicted about this guy. Certainly he's a jerk -- and yes, he broadcast this himself. But this culture of just firing anyone who is identified not acting in a totally upright manner - or supporting the wrong cause - is deeply disturbing.

[Browncoat]

According to the company's announcement, it had nothing to do with the cause. And his behavior goes far beyond "not acting in a totally upright manner".

[Baby, ByeBye]

Someone better wear a wig or a moustache just in case.

Nowadays you can't really be sure unless you do a genetic test

[Cohete009]

Does Chick-Fil-A deliver?

Ship it, ICO.

[OddSox]

I'm conflicted about this guy. Certainly he's a jerk -- and yes, he broadcast this himself. But this culture of just firing anyone who is identified not acting in a totally upright manner - or supporting the wrong cause - is deeply disturbing.

might have gone by unnoticed if he was just some random guy, but if you're the CFO of a company and get caught doing something like that, I think you can't be surprised if you get fired for what admittedly are PR reasons.

I'm sure he'll land on his feet.

[ao fan]

might have gone by unnoticed if he was just some random guy, but if you're the CFO of a company and get caught doing something like that, I think you can't be surprised if you get fired for what admittedly are PR reasons.

I'm sure he'll land on his feet.

he wasn't even caught. he posted the video himself like a dumbass. i think he deserves what he got.

[mlschop]

he wasn't even caught. he posted the video himself like a dumbass. i think he deserves what he got.

:iatp:

And this is my main problem from BOTH sides. They feel they have the right to BULLY each other over this topic.

[Inconceivable]

People are stupid. Can we lock this and every other thread ever now?

[ao fan]

he must have been a miserable boss to work for anyway. no sympathy from me. i hate bullies. he's the worst type of bully by targetting someone who was probably worse off than he was.

[Actuary321]

Sept 2004 - Christian conservatives boycott Proctor & Gamble.
(gay rights)

June 2005 - Christian conservatives boycott Ford.
(gay rights)

July 2006 - christian conservatives boycott Disney.
(gay rights issue)

Sept 2007 - Christian conservatives boycott Macy's.
(gay rights)

July 2008 - Christian conservatives boycott McDonalds.
(gay rights)

Aug 2008 - Christian conservatives boycott Hallmark greeting cards.
(gay rights)

Feb 2012 - Christian conservatives boycott Nike shoes.
(gay rights)

Feb 2012 - Christian conservatives boycott Home Depot.
(gay rights)

March 2012 - Christian conservatives boycott Starbucks.
(gay rights)

June 2012 - Christian conservatives boycott JCPenny's.
(gay rights)

June 2012 - Christian conservatives boycott Target.
(gay rights)

July 2012 - Christian conservatives boycott Google.
(gay rights)

August 2012 - Christian conservatives boycott Amazon.
(gay rights)Appearently the Christian conservatives aren't doing it right because I don't think any of those companies have gone out of business or changed their policies because of those boycotts, have they?

And I was wondering about what corporations donate to other groups that are considered anti-gay. So I looked up the corporate sponsors of BSA which is of course one of the most public discriminating anti-gay (yet oddly homo-pediphiliac protecting) groups. at&t, ExxonMobile and Lowes to name a few. All you people who are boycotting CFA better start boycotting these as well.

[Harry]

not everyone has your options, dude. what a toolbag.
Yeah, fast food jobs are hard to find.

[Inconceivable]

Appearently the Christian conservatives aren't doing it right because I don't think any of those companies have gone out of business or changed their policies because of those boycotts, have they?

And I was wondering about what corporations donate to other groups that are considered anti-gay. So I looked up the corporate sponsors of BSA which is of course one of the most public discriminating anti-gay (yet oddly homo-pediphiliac protecting) groups. at&t, ExxonMobile and Lowes to name a few. All you people who are boycotting CFA better start boycotting these as well.

Lol, oddly enough I have Sprint, don't gas up at Exxon stations (but maybe they supply the gas to the ones I do, hard to know) and shop at HomeDepot...but these were not based on knowledge of their gay rights stands. But I'm winning without even knowing it.

[vividox]

I already hated AT&T and would never spend a dime of my money on them.

[Baby, ByeBye]

More reason to hate at&t

[tgadd]

Dey took er gheys!

http://d3conomy.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/jerbs.jpg

[ao fan]

Yeah, fast food jobs are hard to find.

:roll:

[Loner]

AT&T IIRC has actually been getting a lot of pressure and I believe one of their execs stepped down from the board of the BSA(or is going to) over it.

AT&T is on my shit list for other reasons anyway...mainly thier craptacular customer service and not providing the services their customers pay for by having an inadequate network.

I have made a point of not avoiding ExxonMobil for over a decade over their corporate policies after the merger(documented somewhere on the CAS water cooler, I'm not going to perfrom an archaeological expedition to find it).

My point was it's silly for them to whine over tactics they themselves employ.


And to reiterate- it's wrong for the gummint officials to be saying they won't allow CFA to open in their communities, and at least a couple of them have retracted their statements(and YES, the ACLU DID pipe up and say the gummint can't do that.) And I also don't really expect most people to boycott them, though I will not patronize the establishments. At the same time, making a point of showing up to support them on the day the bigots do, knowing how that is going to be interpreted, is a dick move.

[Actuary321]

Well, I didn't get my chicken sandwich there on Wednesday, I got it Tuesday when I was able to support the cheer squad my wife coaches.

I have to admit though, that I rarely will boycott for social reasons. I am much more likely to boycott because of poor products or services (though my kids keep ruining their phones and my contract with at&t keeps getting extended :swear:).

[Serena]

Huh. They haven't done it very well. I, a Christian conservative, haven't boycotted any of those places, nor even knew there was a boycott on many of them.

:shrug:

:-? I knew about most of these and I'm not even christian.


I will not patronize the establishments. At the same time, making a point of showing up to support them on the day the bigots do, knowing how that is going to be interpreted, is a dick move.

:iatp:

[Actuary321]

OK, a little more digging and I have found that the donations they are talking about in this CFA controversy are from the Winshape Foundation. S. Truett Cathy the founder of CFA started that foundation and that is the foundation which CFA donates to these other places through.

And it turns out that the Peach Bowl Inc gave this same foundation nearly half a million dollars. I guess people are going to have to boycott the Peach Bowl now.

Man, the things you learn.

[Loner]

Well, I didn't get my chicken sandwich there on Wednesday, I got it Tuesday when I was able to support the cheer squad my wife coaches.

I have to admit though, that I rarely will boycott for social reasons. I am much more likely to boycott because of poor products or services (though my kids keep ruining their phones and my contract with at&t keeps getting extended :swear:).

I think we can all find common ground and agree AT&T is an abomination.

[ao fan]

I think we can all find common ground and agree AT&T is an abomination.
verizon ftw

[mlschop]

I think we can all find common ground and agree AT&T is an abomination.

Seriously not tryin' to be a jerk here...but I have never had an issue with AT&T in the 3 years I've used them. And I switched from Verizon TO AT&T because AT&T service is better than Verizon's where I live :shrug: I've only had to call CS once, and they were nothing but pleasant and helpful...

[tgadd]

Seriously not tryin' to be a jerk here...but I have never had an issue with AT&T in the 3 years I've used them. And I switched from Verizon TO AT&T because AT&T service is better than Verizon's where I live :shrug: I've only had to call CS once, and they were nothing but pleasant and helpful...

FYI, you obviously hate gays.

[Loner]

Seriously not tryin' to be a jerk here...but I have never had an issue with AT&T in the 3 years I've used them. And I switched from Verizon TO AT&T because AT&T service is better than Verizon's where I live :shrug: I've only had to call CS once, and they were nothing but pleasant and helpful...

In the NY area their network is laughably inadequate. They are pleasant but utterly unhelpful if anything is wrong.

[Serena]

OK, a little more digging and I have found that the donations they are talking about in this CFA controversy are from the Winshape Foundation. S. Truett Cathy the founder of CFA started that foundation and that is the foundation which CFA donates to these other places through.

And it turns out that the Peach Bowl Inc gave this same foundation nearly half a million dollars. I guess people are going to have to boycott the Peach Bowl now.

Man, the things you learn.

That's easy. I don't like baseball anyway

[mlschop]

FYI, you obviously hate gays.

:lol:

[Serena]

OK, a little more digging and I have found that the donations they are talking about in this CFA controversy are from the Winshape Foundation. S. Truett Cathy the founder of CFA started that foundation and that is the foundation which CFA donates to these other places through.

And it turns out that the Peach Bowl Inc gave this same foundation nearly half a million dollars. I guess people are going to have to boycott the Peach Bowl now.

Man, the things you learn.

How much digging did you really have to do? Considering it's now called The Chick-fil-A Bowl

:duh:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chick-fil-A_Bowl

The Chick-fil-A Bowl, formerly called the Chick-fil-A Peach Bowl, and before that simply called the Peach Bowl, is an annual college football bowl game played in Atlanta, Georgia since December 1968. The first three Peach Bowls were played at Grant Field on the Georgia Tech campus in Atlanta. Between 1971 and 1991, Atlanta-Fulton County Stadium hosted the game. Since then, the Georgia Dome has played host. Seven of the first ten meetings (all but the 1968, 1971 and 1974 games) pitted an Atlantic Coast Conference team against an at-large opponent. Since 1993, the game has matched a Southeastern Conference team against one from the ACC. In 2005, the bowl reached a new landmark in prestige with its first-ever matchup of top 10-rated teams.

The game was originally created as a fund-raiser by the Lions Clubs of Georgia but in 1968, after years of lackluster attendance and revenue, the game was taken over by the Chamber of Commerce. Atlanta-based Chick-fil-A became the title sponsor of the event with the 1998 game. Beginning with the December 2006 game, Chick-fil-A assumed complete naming rights to the game in a five year, $22 million, sponsorship deal, ending almost forty years of the Peach Bowl name. A new logo was unveiled April 6, 2006. The funds from the deal will be used to increase payouts for the participating teams in hopes of further enhancing the bowl's stature. In response, the ACC has given the committee the first pick of its teams after the BCS beginning in 2006. The bowl currently has the fifth overall selection from the SEC (including the BCS). The 2010 game was a sellout, the fourteenth consecutive year as such.[3] In 2007 the Chick-fil-A Bowl became the best-attended non-BCS bowl for the last decade, and had the 3rd longest bowl sellout streak behind the Rose and Fiesta Bowls.[4]


You're quite the google-monkey there, Slick!

[Whiskey]

OK, a little more digging and I have found that the donations they are talking about in this CFA controversy are from the Winshape Foundation. S. Truett Cathy the founder of CFA started that foundation and that is the foundation which CFA donates to these other places through.

And it turns out that the Peach Bowl Inc gave this same foundation nearly half a million dollars. I guess people are going to have to boycott the Peach Bowl now.

Man, the things you learn.

Really, the Chick Fil'A Bowl donates money to the same "charity" as Chick Fil'A 's charitable arm?!?

I think we all know what we learned from your post and "digging".

edit: ninja'ed.

[E. Blackadder]

I think we can all find common ground and agree AT&T is an abomination.

Oh, Gawd Yes!

[Sub_Zero]

”I’m a nice guy, by the way … totally heterosexual," he continues. "Not a gay in me ...




At least not at the moment, eh maricón?

[vividox]

Seriously not tryin' to be a jerk here...but I have never had an issue with AT&T in the 3 years I've used them. And I switched from Verizon TO AT&T because AT&T service is better than Verizon's where I live :shrug: I've only had to call CS once, and they were nothing but pleasant and helpful...

In college, I moved from an apartment to a house. I cancelled my internet/phone with AT&T, got confirmation that it was cancelled, and assumed everything was good. About three years later I got a call from collections. Found out that after I had cancelled, AT&T had charged me for three more months until cancelling my "services" for non-payment. The charges themselves totaled about $150 dollars, but due to late fees and processing I could pay $275-ish to get it taken care of. I called AT&T about it, and of course, they have no record of me cancelling my internet/phone or making my last payment or anything. Basically, unless I can produce a copy of my final payment I sent in, I'm FUBAR. Of course, I don't have that, it's my words vs. AT&T's, and they are the ones taking me to collections.

So, they dinged my credit history, forced me to waste several hours of my time on the phone with AT&T and collections, and made me pay almost $300 due to negligence (or hell, maybe it was even a straight up scam) on their end. So yeah, they can go sit and spin.

[tgadd]

So yeah, they can go sit and spin.

I just tried that in my office chair, it made me dizzy. Thanks ass.

[vividox]

I just tried that in my office chair, it made me dizzy. Thanks ass.

Well I didn't suggest you try it, silly goose.

[tgadd]

Well I didn't suggest you try it, silly goose.

Then stop posting long rants. I just read the first and last sentences!

[E. Blackadder]

I just tried that in my office chair, it made me dizzy. Thanks ass.
The best dizziness cure is to plank on an interstate.

[IMP]

anyone go to chick fil a today?

[tgadd]

anyone go to chick fil a today?

No. We don't have any attractive lesbians that I want to see kissing.

[ao fan]

I just noticed that 4 of my facebook friends liked the Chick-fil-A page on facebook. This includes 2 ao'ers.

[tgadd]

Loner, would you let me lick Chick-Fil-A Sauce off your neck in protest of them today?

[tgadd]

I just noticed that 4 of my facebook friends liked the Chick-fil-A page on facebook. This includes 2 ao'ers.

:ohnoes:

TEOTWAWKI!

[ao fan]

:ohnoes:

TEOTWAWKI!
:iatp:

[ao fan]

wait, what's TEOTWAWKI!?

[Serena]

wait, what's TEOTWAWKI!?

Isn't that the little town Andy DuFrain ran off to in Shawshank?

[Loner]

wait, what's TEOTWAWKI!?

An REM song.

[tgadd]

:iatp:

wait, what's TEOTWAWKI!?

Nope! You've already agreed to it. I'll see you tonight.

:D

[InSpades]

Isn't that the little town Andy DuFrain ran off to in Shawshank?

Saywatanayo.

Incidentally the best name of the Olympics is by far Ranomi Kromowidjojo.

[tgadd]

Saywatanayo.

Incidentally the best name of the Olympics is by far Ranomi Kromowidjojo.

No Ivona Dadic is the best name.

http://www.plohe.com/site/data/media/193/_PLOHE1801_Ivona_DADIC.jpg

[Loner]

Loner, would you let me lick Chick-Fil-A Sauce off your neck in protest of them today?

I'll need pics and references. No fats, no femmes.

[ao fan]

Nope! You've already agreed to it. I'll see you tonight.

:D

YAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[tgadd]

I'll need pics and references. No fats, no femmes.

I had to google no femmes, and the first thing that came up was "not racist but, no chocolate or rice"

[Baby, ByeBye]

No fem

[JMO Fan]

:capn: Eat mor chikn :popcorn:

[Whiskey]

So I looked up the corporate sponsors of BSA which is of course one of the most public discriminating anti-gay (yet oddly homo-pediphiliac protecting) groups.
Are you really STILL this ignorant that you are lumping homosexuals and pedophiles together? Are you also surprised about how anti-gay the catholic church is despite the thousands of priests they have protected over the years?

Your ignorance and lack of respect for homosexuals never ceases to amaze me.

[RazorGuns]

so why aren't these "gay rights in your face" activits protesting muslim owned businesses?

Cuz you know, islam is pretty much against same-sex anything :)

[Sentinel]

The Gay Mafia doesn't expect Christians groups to retaliate forcefully.

[Baby, ByeBye]

The Gay Mafia doesn't expect Christians groups to retaliate forcefully.

because gays don't need to get abortions

[Whiskey]

so why aren't these "gay rights in your face" activits protesting muslim owned businesses?

Cuz you know, islam is pretty much against same-sex anything :)

I was not aware of muslim owned businesses spending millions and millions of dollars to try to influence public policy and laws against homosexuals.

But even if they are, far more damage is being done by the hypocritical right and the money that they throw into this discrimination campaign. So, unless you are as logically challenged as some others here, the reason for protesting the larger organizations should be clear.

[Ja Ames]

They may be funding some semi-radical pro-Islam groups, who by default are against homosexuality. If you think supporting Focus on the Family is the same as supporting the oppression of homosexuals, you can count the above as something similar as well.

[Whiskey]

They may be funding some semi-radical pro-Islam groups, who by default are against homosexuality. If you think supporting Focus on the Family is the same as supporting the oppression of homosexuals, you can count the above as something similar as well.

whole hell of a lot of dots you connected there. Guessing you are a Glenn Beck fan.

[Whiskey]

They may be funding some semi-radical pro-Islam groups, who by default are against homosexuality. If you think supporting Focus on the Family is the same as supporting the oppression of homosexuals, you can count the above as something similar as well.

Also, very nice stereotyping there. knew I could count on you for that.

[Ja Ames]

Typical liberal. When you're stumped with facts, go attack the person.

[Baby, ByeBye]

Typical liberal. When you're stumped with facts, go attack the person.

hm....

[Whiskey]

Typical liberal. When you're stumped with facts, go attack the person.

:lol:

[Ja Ames]

Hey, that's what they do. I wish they didn't

[Baby, ByeBye]

Hey, that's what they do. I wish they didn't

so you counter ad hominem with ad hominem. slick

[Ja Ames]

It's not at all an ad hominem.

[Whiskey]

Hey, that's what they do. I wish they didn't

Would you prefer offensive religious stereotyping like you did? I honestly think it is less offensive to insult one person who is being an idiot versus a whole group of people that have not done anything wrong.

[Harry]

hm....
:lol:

[tgadd]

Had Chick-Fil-A just now. Amazing!

[Harry]

Had Chick-Fil-A just now. Amazing!
You're talking about this, right?


https://encrypted-tbn1.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQfnN-Vhkkuy88CavRXwcqS5DRbfi33DLfUaOduLdBdJ657uIbE

[PeppermintPatty]

Exec Bullies Chick-Fil-A Worker, Then Promptly Gets Fired For It

Adam Smith, former CFO and treasurer of medical supplies manufacturer Vante, caused quite a stir today when he put up a video of himself bullying a Chick-fil-A drive-thru employee in Tucson on YouTube.

Smith berates the worker about her company in the video, which was initially titled ”Reduce $’s to Chick-Fil-A’s Hate Groups.” It has since been taken down (though others have uploaded it too).

"I don't know how you live with yourself and work here," he tells the employee at the window. "I don't understand it. This is a horrible corporation with horrible values. You deserve better."

”I’m a nice guy, by the way … totally heterosexual," he continues. "Not a gay in me, I just can’t stand the hate.”

Vante didn't approve of Smith's behavior, and he's no longer working there.I'm conflicted about this guy. Certainly he's a jerk -- and yes, he broadcast this himself. But this culture of just firing anyone who is identified not acting in a totally upright manner - or supporting the wrong cause - is deeply disturbing.
That's an incredibly jerkish move. To harass some random employee, film himself, and then post it? I bet this isn't the first time he acted like a jerk I wouldn't be surprised if he's been troublesome at his company for ages, but it was awkward to get rid of him, and this was just an excuse to do something that was already in the works.

[E. Blackadder]

That's an incredibly jerkish move. To harass some random employee, film himself, and then post it? I bet this isn't the first time he acted like a jerk I wouldn't be surprised if he's been troublesome at his company for ages, but it was awkward to get rid of him, and this was just an excuse to do something that was already in the works.

Yes, that's probably right. I'm not that conflicted about this case, but there have been some other firings (http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news/local&id=7670362) based on much more ambiguous or even totally innocuous (http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/ceo-walks-through-parking-lot-looking-for-obama-bumper-stickers-reason-she-needed-to-lay-off-8-emp/question-191144/) behavior.

[Miss Understood]

That's an incredibly jerkish move. To harass some random employee, film himself, and then post it? I bet this isn't the first time he acted like a jerk I wouldn't be surprised if he's been troublesome at his company for ages, but it was awkward to get rid of him, and this was just an excuse to do something that was already in the works.

Kudos to the drive-thru clerk (who was probably in her teens) for handling it like a pro.

[Miss Understood]

From Funny or Die: I would classify this as NSFW. Pretty funny John Goodman skit as Colonel Sanders.

http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/e86050c415/kfc-loves-gays-with-john-goodman?playlist=featured_videos

[Mel-o-rama]

I left y'all behind when I went on vacation. :)

On Friday, when I was in transit, I stopped at a Chick-Fil-A hoping to see some kissing action (and perhaps ask a few questions). I stopped in SC, and was disappointed to see a whole lot of nothing. There were two guys that looked a little affectionate toward each other, but they ordered food, so I ruled them out.

My sister works for a Chick-Fil-A in an Atlanta suburb, and she reports that on "Appreciation Day" the place was crowded, but the kiss-in day was highly uneventful. Rather, it appears that the gay population concentrated their efforts in more downtown Atlanta locations.

Catching up with some posts...

The bolded part has been well established. A portion of the money you give them will indeed be donated to anti-gay organizations.

If you want to use the argument that "so what? I'm :qunq: probably :qunq: indirectly donating money all the time to stuff I don't even know about" then that's fine if that justifies it for you.

It doesn't for me. I KNOW that's where their money goes, and so I can't, in good conscience, give it to them.

I don't research every company I do business with before I do business with them. I don't expect you to either. But when one OPENLY and PROUDLY declares that this is the cause they support with their profits, then imo that justification becomes colossally LAME. And giving them money = supporting those same causes.

I just hope that for your sake and your ability to function as a consumer that you never come to KNOW where other coorporations are spending their money, or where that dollar that you're holding has been.

It's funny that so many people are dinging Chick-Fil-A for their donations to anti-gay charities, but so easily dismiss the muslim anti-gay conncetions when you buy gas. Here are a few things to consider.

What happens to the dollar you spend at establishment CCC? A lot of that money will go to materials. More will go to salaries. Some goes to shareholders (profits). Some goes to charity. Some goes to support the elaborate company picnic. Theoretically, it should be possible to determine the "anti-gay ratio" of what you spend. How many pennies of each dollar goes to undermine the gay agenda?

Well, let's see. What if some of the salary goes to a vivid anti-gay person, and that person donates 20% of his salary to anti-gay causes? Then 20% of the pennies from your dollar to goes to this person would contribute to the "anti-gay ratio." Yes, I realize some of you would say, "You can't count that. A company has no control over how salaries of their employees are spent." But couldn't one say, "Look, if your company really has an anti-anti-gay policy, then what are you doing hiring someone who is so clearly anti-gay?" I could understand this argument, but would see that as going a little too far.

But then let's look at one of these charities that CCC is donating to. What does the charity do with that money? Chances are, only a fraction of the donations go to directly undermine the gay agenda. Let's say that charity PPP spends 95% of its income to the purpose of building family relations, helping struggling families, paying medical bills, feeding the poor, etc. And only 5% goes toward actively lobbying for anti-gay legislature. If CCC donates $5M to PPP, they may do so because they want to support the "95%" activities. In this example, the $5M contribution is only $250K toward anti-gay purposes.

Thus if you spend a dollar at CCC, only a small fraction of that (less than a penny) is going toward the $5M contribution, and even a small fractino of that is actually supporting anti-gay causes.

Then you may say, "It's the principle of the thing." And my answer: Really? If you were to calculate this "anti-gay ratio" for every company you give money to, I think you'd be surprised to see how those ratios compare. Every company would have non-zero ratios, and at least one of your favorite "pro-gay" companies is bound to have a higher ratio than does Chick-Fil-A.

http://www.businessinsider.com/vante-cfo-bullies-chick-fil-a-worker-then-promptly-gets-fired-for-it-2012-8

There's lots of hate on both sides, sir, as you just demonstrated.

Actually, I'm only hearing cases of hate from one side. I know it exists on both sides, but which side is doing the vandalizing and the yelling?

AT&T is on my shit list for other reasons anyway...mainly thier craptacular customer service and not providing the services their customers pay for by having an inadequate network.
I agree with this post 1000%.

[Browncoat]

Why Chick-Fil-A chicken sandwiches are better than McD's, BK's, and Wendy's (http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2012/08/06/how-does-chick-fil-chicken-sandwich-stack-up/?intcmp=features). (They report. You decide.)

[Harry]

Why Chick-Fil-A chicken sandwiches are better than McD's, BK's, and Wendy's (http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2012/08/06/how-does-chick-fil-chicken-sandwich-stack-up/?intcmp=features). (They report. You decide.)
lol High standards over at Fox.

Mary Quinn O'Connor is part of the Junior Reporter program at Fox News.

[Browncoat]

Thought you'd appreciate that.

[tgadd]

Why Chick-Fil-A chicken sandwiches are better than McD's, BK's, and Wendy's (http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2012/08/06/how-does-chick-fil-chicken-sandwich-stack-up/?intcmp=features). (They report. You decide.)


It tastes really, really good,” The Daily Meal Executive Editor Arthur Bovino told Foxnews.com

Good enough for me.

[Serena]

Catching up with some posts...



I just hope that for your sake and your ability to function as a consumer that you never come to KNOW where other coorporations are spending their money, or where that dollar that you're holding has been.

It's funny that so many people are dinging Chick-Fil-A for their donations to anti-gay charities, but so easily dismiss the muslim anti-gay conncetions when you buy gas. Here are a few things to consider.



I covered the bolded part in earlier posts.


What happens to the dollar you spend at establishment CCC? A lot of that money will go to materials. :blah: :blah: :blah:


I think I covered this as well. Even in the post that you are responding to.

I do what I can. CFA is free to give their money to whatever agenda they want to promote. I'm free to eat at Wendy's instead.

:spnner:

One thing I don't get though is this: Corporations do charitable promotions ALL THE F'ING TIME. "Come buy our crap on Save-the-Whales day!! A portion of the proceeds will go to SAVE THE WHALES!!!"

Woohoo! Right? Or Pink-crap day for breast cancer, or special olympics, or whatever ...

I'm supposed to believe that 1) Company XYZ is a company that cares about the whales or whatever and 2) that the 2 cents they give from my purchase is actually going to make a difference.

The corporations WANT me to believe that.


So why am I not allowed or supposed to believe the same thing about CFA???

They proudly proclaim that their charitable dollars go to orgs fighting directly against the civil rights of gays. And they give that money continuously.

Thus ... EVERY day at CFA is We-hate-gays day!

So, I'll take a cheeseburger from Wendy's, thanks anyway. :shake:

Oh ... and bring me a frosty with that ... chocolate ... THANKS! :toth:

[Mel-o-rama]

So when you buy your iPad or iPhone or your favorite advanced piece of technology, am I correct in saying that you support sweat shops in China? That's where a portion of your money is going. Does your money spent on those items constitute supporting those causes? Is every day that you listen to your music "I hate Chinese kids" day?

If you answer "no," then for the same reasons, my money going to Chick-Fil-A does not constitute support of anti-gay causes. If someone were to sue me on grounds of supporting anti-gay causes and the only evidence is that I bought a Chick-Fil-A sandwich, there isn't a single court in this country that would find me guilty as charged.

This is because of sufficient degrees of separation.

Chick-Fil-A does NOT have an anti-gay policy. They serve gays. They hire gays. And they do not discriminate against gays. Chick-Fil-A never announced, "If you buy our sandwiches, we will donate 2 cents to stop gay marriage." Had they done this, then perhaps I wouldn't be shaking my head at this whole fiasco.

This was only found out because CFA was pressed to answer.

Chick-Fil-A owns a charitiable arm that donates money to several different charities, many of which are Christian in nature. Some of these happen to have anti-gay agendas. These agendas belong to the charities and not to Chick-Fil-A. That's at least one degree of separation right there. Of course, Chick-Fil-A could choose not to give money to those charities, but there may be other "good" activities that these charities perform, and these "good" activities may be what attracted Chick-Fil-A in the first place.

... and I'm seriously considering whether or not to burst your bubble on Wendy's. I don't want to ruin your alternative. Just don't Google "Wendy's and Ellen."

[Serena]

... and I'm seriously considering whether or not to burst your bubble on Wendy's. I don't want to ruin your alternative. Just don't Google "Wendy's and Ellen."

That was 12 years ago. Dave Thomas is dead. Had I known about it 12 years ago, I'd have not eaten at Wendy's. Got anything more recent?

Not buying crap that comes from sweatshops in third world countries is almost as impossible as not buying fuel. But again, I do what I can, even if it has little impact.

[Serena]

Chick-Fil-A never announced, "If you buy our sandwiches, we will donate 2 cents to stop gay marriage."

Not in those exact words. But that's what I heard. :shrug:

(And I heard it 2-3 years ago. Haven't eaten there since. This really wasn't news. The media finally picked up on it, which was nice. But there's been a quiet boycott for some time now.

Lame that Cathy tried to cry victim by claiming it's a free speech issue though. An attempt to deflect attention when his $5M was speaking louder than he was. Meh)

ETA: Oh, and for those orgs, it's not just about stopping gay marriage ... but we've covered that too ...

[erosewater]

So when you buy your iPad or iPhone or your favorite advanced piece of technology, am I correct in saying that you support sweat shops in China? That's where a portion of your money is going. Does your money spent on those items constitute supporting those causes? Is every day that you listen to your music "I hate Chinese kids" day?


I support those people in China getting jobs building iphones, which is better than the alternative. You don't strike as a dirty college hippy so I'm surprised at this

[IMP]

thinking of having chick fil a for dinner.

[erosewater]

thinking of having a chick fil me for dinner

[Baby, ByeBye]

thinking of having chick fil a for dinner.

Why don't you just shoot a gay

[Mel-o-rama]

I support those people in China getting jobs building iphones, which is better than the alternative. You don't strike as a dirty college hippy so I'm surprised at this

Well, I do drive a Prius, even though I realize how bad they really are for the environment. :)

[Mel-o-rama]

That was 12 years ago. Dave Thomas is dead. Had I known about it 12 years ago, I'd have not eaten at Wendy's. Got anything more recent?

Well, Wendy's does give a lot of money to several adoption agencies, any of which could be anti-gay. Many of those adoption agencies so support gay adoption, though. What if we discovered a charity that CFA supported that in turn supported gay causes? Would that change anything?

[oedipus rex]

just putting this here since it seemed to be a good fit:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njtjKYgS49s&feature=youtu.be

[Whiskey]

So when you buy your iPad or iPhone or your favorite advanced piece of technology, am I correct in saying that you support sweat shops in China? That's where a portion of your money is going. Does your money spent on those items constitute supporting those causes? Is every day that you listen to your music "I hate Chinese kids" day?
...

This was only found out because CFA was pressed to answer.

I have not purchased an apple product since I became aware of their practices. and I was an e
apple fan boy with a half dozen or so products in use.

I have to disagree with you on the second point I quoted. he was not pressed in the interview, he freely answered a simple question, and then continued on about how evil homosexual relationships are in god's eyes. he would not have been interviewed if he was not the CEO of CFA. His position at the company, and the money he has made allows him the pulpit to spread his hate. I have no issues with people not wanting to continue to support his crusade.

[Browncoat]

I have no issues with people not wanting to eat there for any reason, either. I have a problem with the gov't saying 'you can't open up a store here because your CEO has a political view I don't agree with.'


The closest CFA to me is over an hour away. I'll be traveling this weekend, and thought I might be passing closer to one, but I'm not. :(

[Whiskey]

I have no issues with people not wanting to eat there for any reason, either. I have a problem with the gov't saying 'you can't open up a store here because your CEO has a political view I don't agree with.'


This might be the first tell we have ever agreed on something in this subforum.

[mlschop]

I have not purchased an apple product since I became aware of their practices. and I was an e
apple fan boy with a half dozen or so products in use.

"Their practices?" :rofl: How completely uneducated and unaware are you? Foxconn does business with just about every big tech company you can think of. Apple is the "name of the day" and news media uses their name for eyeballs/hits. Dolts like you just eat it up and pretend to be on a high horse by not using Apple products because of "their practices."

[Whiskey]

"Their practices?" :rofl: How completely uneducated and unaware are you? Foxconn does business with just about every big tech company you can think of. Apple is the "name of the day" and news media uses their name for eyeballs/hits. Dolts like you just eat it up and pretend to be on a high horse by not using Apple products because of "their practices."

more than just Foxconn. Once I found out more and more about how apple operates, the more I disliked them as a company.

And thanks for calling me Dolt. means a lot coming from you.

[mlschop]

more than just Foxconn. Once I found out more and more about how apple operates, the more I disliked them as a company.

How do they operate that gets you all butthurt, exactly? I'm curious...

[FourKicks]

Thus ... EVERY day at CFA is We-hate-gays day!

So, I'll take a cheeseburger from Wendy's, thanks anyway. :shake:

every day at wendy's is we-hate-food day.

[Mel-o-rama]

I have to disagree with you on the second point I quoted. he was not pressed in the interview, he freely answered a simple question, and then continued on about how evil homosexual relationships are in god's eyes. he would not have been interviewed if he was not the CEO of CFA. His position at the company, and the money he has made allows him the pulpit to spread his hate. I have no issues with people not wanting to continue to support his crusade.

Hey, I apologize for the length of this response, and it's not all directed toward you, but I'm also throwing in some closing arguments because I have to get back to studying...

In the interview, did Cathy really say the word "hate"? Did he even say the word "evil"?

From what I read in this thread, I gathered that Cathy said something along the lines of "God gave us his definition of marriage. And if we are arrogant enough to change that definition then God may send us calamities, etc." In other words, he focused on the definition rather than whether or not homosexual relationships are evil or whether God hates the gays. He expressed a concern on what may happen if we incur the wrath of God.

Granted, this may imply that Cathy, inside, believes that gay relationships are evil, but he didn't say that.

Compare what he said with what I see as spreading hate, which sounds more like this: "Gays are going to hell. God hates gays. Kill them all. Etc." I see a difference in Cathy's rhetoric than this. In fact, from what I understand about Dave Thomas (of Wendy's), his rhetoric may have been a little more on the hate side (based on comments I saw directed about him but not based on actual quotes from him). I mean--Wendy's as a company actually backed out of a relationship with Ellen because of her newly found gayness.

If there's something else I'm missing from Cathy's interview, then let me know. Is there a transcript to the whole thing? I have a hard time believing a president of ANY company would risk his company's livelihood by spewing genuine hate. And in this case, unless you can show me otherwise, I believe that the gay community (and sympathizers) are projecting their own hate into Cathy's words and not listening to what he's really saying.

I mean, there are a lot more important battles for the gay community to fight, and I just believe that the Chick-Fil-A battle is misplaced, overblown, and very insignificant in the grand scheme of things. In a way, it's a little scary to see how far the gay community will go to make this an issue while ignoring similar businesses that are making the same kind of charitable donations. What comes next? A witch-hunt investigation of every company's charity list?

Here are the messages that I'm getting from this whole episode:

#1) It's not okay to disagree or have an opinion because that's hate.
#2) It's okay for gay people to protest, but not okay for their opponents to protest because they're bigots.
#3) The concerns of Christians mean nothing more than a piece of turd because they're bigots and shouldn't be allowed to have a say in politics.
#4) It's okay to put words into an opponent's mouth because that's what he really meant to say.
#5) If you buy a product from a company, then you're supporting ALL their policies and expenditures.

You know me from previous discussions. I'm happy to make compromises. Even though I believe homosexuality is a sin, I become more and more willing to tolerate the recognition of gay marriages (and other rights), as more and more I'm coming around to see that there really aren't any grounds to deny these rights. Plus, I have several gay friends, and I believe they should have access to most of the rights the rest of us enjoy (especially visitation rights and estate rights).

But I see the CFA episode (and the photography case in New Mexico) as the gay community going too far. Do they really want to defame a company on things Cathy just didn't say? Do they really want to use that "political logic" that Self used in Loner's quote and make Cathy into a murderer of gays?

I see that if we continue down this road, then there will be no compromise. No one will be allowed to disagree and believe homosexuality is a sin. Churches will be forced to perform gay marriages unwillingly, etc. If it goes this far, then our country will have lost much more than it will have gained.

Eventually, I see that the gays will get the recognition of gay marriage in all 50 states, and I think it will happen a lot sooner than most of us realize. Then at that point, gay people will have full legal recognition. And I really, really, really hope it stops there.

[Whiskey]

How do they operate that gets you all butthurt, exactly? I'm curious...

I do find it very amusing/sad that when the discussion was regarding CFA donating profits to anti-gay organizations you were all 'meh'. But as soon as someone says something negative about your precious Apple, well that is something that you just can't tolerate and drives you to the level of name calling and insulting others.

Only if you actually showed the level of passion you have towards Apple to something useful in life, imagine what you could accomplish?

[mlschop]

I do find it very amusing/sad that when the discussion was regarding CFA donating profits to anti-gay organizations you were all 'meh'. But as soon as someone says something negative about your precious Apple, well that is something that you just can't tolerate and drives you to the level of name calling and insulting others.

Only if you actually showed the level of passion you have towards Apple to something useful in life, imagine what you could accomplish?

:lol: So basically, you're admitting to have no reasons to share, you just wanted to get on some high horse about Apple?

Actually, if used your brain, you would notice I'm taking the same stance on both topics; which is judging a business by the products/services they provide instead of the politics that might be associated with - either directly (CFA) or by business partner association (Apple).

[ADoubleDot]

apple could come out in favor of infant genocide and chop would defned it.

[mlschop]

apple could come out in favor of infant genocide and chop would defned it.

Nah. Only if they promised me a free iPhone 5.

Or guaranteed I could purchase one on launch day. :-P

[Baby, ByeBye]

Yay for infanticide. Praise the bible.

[ao fan]

do i need to throw out my ipod in protest now? i've had it for like 7 years and it's still working awesome.

[mlschop]

do i need to throw out my ipod in protest now? i've had it for like 7 years and it's still working awesome.

If you wanna be against infanticide you do. Who needs babies anyway, amirite?

[ARTS]

do i need to throw out my ipod in protest now? i've had it for like 7 years and it's still working awesome.

Just like the 7 year old that made it :clap:

[ao fan]

If you wanna be against infanticide you do. Who needs babies anyway, amirite?

good point. not like a maltese puppy was hurt in making them.

[ao fan]

Just like the 7 year old that made it :clap:

hmmmm, now that 7 year old is probably an obnoxious 14 year old. i don't feel so bad now.

[mlschop]

good point. not like a maltese puppy was hurt in making them.

:lol:

[Baby, ByeBye]

Babies suck. Abort and get a puppy

[ao fan]

Babies suck. Abort and get a puppy

Yap! Yap! Yap!

[Entropy]

From what I read in this thread, I gathered that Cathy said something along the lines of "God gave us his definition of marriage. And if we are arrogant enough to change that definition then God may send us calamities, etc." In other words, he focused on the definition rather than whether or not homosexual relationships are evil or whether God hates the gays. He expressed a concern on what may happen if we incur the wrath of God.

How do you have time to study with all your gymnastics training?

Seriously, if you think that it's ok to say things like "gay people might make god send tornados to indiscriminantly kill (note: non-gay) people" then there isn't a whole lot to argue about any more.

It is hilarious to me that there are some people in this country who might honestly believe that masturbators are causing the drought though. :crazy:

[ADoubleDot]

Save your spawn, so I can water my lawn :usa:

[Serena]

I have no issues with people not wanting to eat there for any reason, either. I have a problem with the gov't saying 'you can't open up a store here because your CEO has a political view I don't agree

I agree. That was a stupid knee jerk thing to say. But politicians say stupid shit that they can't back up anyway all the time. That part didn't even register with me.

[ao fan]

I think what annoys me the most about this whole thing are people who have constant political shit about it on facebook. Even if I agree with their view, I feel like telling them to stfu already.

[mlschop]

I think what annoys me the most about this whole thing are people who have constant political shit about it on facebook. Even if I agree with their view, I feel like telling them to stfu already.

:iatp:

[Baby, ByeBye]

I think what annoys me the most about this whole thing are people who have constant political shit about it on facebook. Even if I agree with their view, I feel like telling them to stfu already.

I like agadefe's post on fb though. It's funny

[ao fan]

I like agadefe's post on fb though. It's funny
yeah, that was funny.

[wolferine]

I like agadefe's post on fb though. It's funny

link?

[Baby, ByeBye]

[/RIGHT]97457]link?

You're not his fb friend

[Guerilla poster]

, I feel like telling them to stfu already.


That is kind of how I feel about FB in general.

[ao fan]

That is kind of how I feel about FB in general.
me too, but i'm too nosey and bored with life to quit it. it's also good for invites and stuff.

[Entropy]

Save your spawn, so I can water my lawn :usa:

:lol:

[ao fan]

I like agadefe's post on fb though. It's funny

I think that I just figured out who you are. I was gonna be creepy and poke you as Quinn, but facebook wouldn't let me.

[Mel-o-rama]

I think what annoys me the most about this whole thing are people who have constant political shit about it on facebook. Even if I agree with their view, I feel like telling them to stfu already.

Yeah - that's funny. I'm also getting it from both sides. Same goes for Romney v. Obama.

[Mel-o-rama]

How do you have time to study with all your gymnastics training?So you caught me in the Olympics! I got this close to clinching a medal!

Seriously, if you think that it's ok to say things like "gay people might make god send tornados to indiscriminantly kill (note: non-gay) people" then there isn't a whole lot to argue about any more.

It is hilarious to me that there are some people in this country who might honestly believe that masturbators are causing the drought though. :crazy:

I may not agree with what's being said, but I think it's worse to disallow people from saying things like that. Let the people say it and make fun of them.

[Baby, ByeBye]

I think that I just figured out who you are. I was gonna be creepy and poke you as Quinn, but facebook wouldn't let me.

Yeah you probably found me since you know where I live -_-

[OddSox]

I think what annoys me the most about this whole thing are people who have constant political shit about it on facebook. Even if I agree with their view, I feel like telling them to stfu already.

I think what annoys me most about this whole thing is my wife getting annoyed by the people who are constantly posting about this on facebook.

whenever she tells me about it I say 'this is why I don't keep up with facebook'. she keeps doing it though. :shrug:

[ao fan]

Yeah you probably found me since you know where I live -_-

actually it was because you told me where you work.

[Baby, ByeBye]

actually it was because you told me where you work.

I know. But let's keep that on a down low.

[Baby, ByeBye]

Also, not fair, now you must tell me who you are

[Entropy]

So you caught me in the Olympics! I got this close to clinching a medal!



I may not agree with what's being said, but I think it's worse to disallow people from saying things like that. Let the people say it and make fun of them.

I'm not in favor of disallowing his free speech. I am in favor of making fun of him.

I also think that you didn't really address my point.

[ao fan]

I know. But let's keep that on a down low.

ya, of course.

[ao fan]

Also, not fair, now you must tell me who you are

:tfh: uh oh.

[Smart Actuary]

That is kind of how I feel about FB in general.

I read article today that if you dont have FB, employesr may think your weeird.

[Baby, ByeBye]

:tfh: uh oh.

Hey, I told you where I worked because you thought it wasnt fair that I....:D

[ao fan]

Hey, I told you where I worked because you thought it wasnt fair that I....:D
yeah, i realized that. that's why i just sent you a pm!

[Baby, ByeBye]

Awesome

[Mel-o-rama]

I'm not in favor of disallowing his free speech. I am in favor of making fun of him.

I also think that you didn't really address my point.

I guess I don't understand the point. Must be the exam calling me... :)

[mlschop]

I thought the Berenstein Bears had a religious overtone to their stories, which would make me think they would side with Chick-fil-A (or not comment on the discussion altogether).

ETA: Sounds like it was more recent than I thought...but from Wikipedia:
Beginning in 2008, a number of Berenstain Bears titles of a specifically religious nature have been released by Mike Berenstain. These include The Berenstain Bears: God Loves You, The Berenstain Bears Say Their Prayers and a Berenstain Bears Bible - Complete New International Reader's Version written at a third-grade reading level. The titles are part of a series called Living Lights and are published by the Christian company Zondervan and HarperCollins.[70]

[Serena]

I thought the Berenstein Bears had a religious overtone to their stories, which would make me think they would side with Chick-fil-A (or not comment on the discussion altogether).

ETA: Sounds like it was more recent than I thought...but from Wikipedia:

Not all Christians are homophobic.

[Whiskey]

Not all Christians are homophobic.

:iatp:

[Join Date: Mar 2012]

Not all Christians are homophobic.

Not all Gays are obnoxious either.

What is your point?

[mlschop]

Not all Christians are homophobic.

Not all people that oppose gay marriage are homophobic. So what's your point?

[ADoubleDot]

Not all people that oppose gay marriage are homophobic. So what's your point?
only 95%

[Serena]

Not all people that oppose gay marriage are homophobic. So what's your point?

:2pac:

My point was that just because the writers of the Berenstein Bears had a religious overtone to their stories, doesn't mean they would side with a corporation that gives money to organizations trying to criminalize homosexuality.

In fact, they may wish to distance themselves. I dunno. The Berensteins themselves don't really have control over an affiliation with CFA, Harper Collins does if I read that right.

[Browncoat]

Which organizations does CFA give money to that try to ciminalize homosexuality? Srs question; I haven't read the whole thread, so sorry if it's been discussed already.

[Serena]

Which organizations does CFA give money to that try to ciminalize homosexuality? Srs question; I haven't read the whole thread, so sorry if it's been discussed already.

Took you longer to ask than it would to google it. It's not a big secret.

[mlschop]

My point was that just because the writers of the Berenstein Bears had a religious overtone to their stories, doesn't mean they would side with a corporation that gives money to organizations trying to criminalize homosexuality.

In fact, they may wish to distance themselves. I dunno. The Berensteins themselves don't really have control over an affiliation with CFA, Harper Collins does if I read that right.

I would think if a company wanted to "distance themselves" without publically taking a stance on this issue, the right business action to take would be maintaining status quo. That would cause the least amount of waves in the media. For HarperCollins to pull the Berenstein Bears out of CFA, it would appear to be siding on the debate.

[Harry]

Took you longer to ask than it would to google it. It's not a big secret.
lol

[Join Date: Mar 2012]

:2pac:

My point was that just because the writers of the Berenstein Bears had a religious overtone to their stories, doesn't mean they would side with a corporation that gives money to organizations trying to criminalize homosexuality.

In fact, they may wish to distance themselves. I dunno. The Berensteins themselves don't really have control over an affiliation with CFA, Harper Collins does if I read that right.

All these boycotts and pressures, when did they start? When the CFA started giving money to organizations trying to criminalize homosexuality, or when the comments by the CFA president were made?

[Hojo]

All these boycotts and pressures, when did they start? When the CFA started giving money to organizations trying to criminalize homosexuality, or when the comments by the CFA president were made?

They started heavily in 2010, but were given national attention more recently.

[Browncoat]

Took you longer to ask than it would to google it. It's not a big secret.

Are you equating support for traditional marriage with criminalizing homosexuality? :-?

[Whiskey]

Are you equating support for traditional marriage with criminalizing homosexuality? :-?
:shake:

you really should do your own research, because that is not what those organizations are doing.

[Serena]

Are you equating support for traditional marriage with criminalizing homosexuality? :-?

Nope

[Whiskey]

Are you equating support for traditional marriage with criminalizing homosexuality? :-?

since I doubt you will figure this out on your own, CFA gives money to Family Research Council.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_Research_Council#Statements_on_homosexualit y

[Serena]

Are you equating support for traditional marriage with criminalizing homosexuality? :-?

since I doubt you will figure this out on your own, CFA gives money to Family Research Council.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_Research_Council#Statements_on_homosexualit y

What's the other one they give a big chunk to? I forget. One of them has advocated maintaining or reinstating sodomy laws. That's where the accusation of "criminalizing" comes from.

Mainly though they lobby for laws (or the abolishment of) that would make it ok to fire someone for being gay. Or deny them housing etc. take their kids away ...

[Browncoat]

CFA gives money to Family Research Council.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_Research_Council#Statements_on_homosexualit y

Thanks. Having you tell me took less time than researching it on my own.

[Join Date: Mar 2012]

since I doubt you will figure this out on your own, CFA gives money to Family Research Council.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_Research_Council#Statements_on_homosexualit y

FRC President Tony Perkins said that criminalizing homosexuality is not a goal of the Family Research Council

.

[Browncoat]

To be fair, someone from that orginization was on Hard Ball and, according to wiki, expressed that opinion. But the FRC does say that's not a goal.

[Whiskey]

.

actions speak louder than words.

[Serena]

actions speak louder than words.

:iatp:

$5M also speaks pretty loudly.

[Inconceivable]

:iatp:

$5M also speaks pretty loudly.

I was at the movie and this stack of bills would just not shut the f*** up. Talked the entire time. And no before you ask, it wasn't black. Money is green you racist.

[Baby, ByeBye]

Only in America

[Serena]

To be fair, someone from that orginization was on Hard Ball and, according to wiki, expressed that opinion. But the FRC does say that's not a goal.

According to wiki:

The Family Research Council's Senior Researcher for Policy Studies Peter Sprigg stated on NBC's Hardball that gay behavior should be outlawed and that "criminal sanctions against homosexual behavior" should be enforced.[17] More recently, Sprigg has publicly suggested that repealing Don't Ask, Don't Tell policy would encourage molestation of heterosexual service members.[18] When asked about Sprigg's comments regarding the criminalization of same-sex behavior, FRC President Tony Perkins said that criminalizing homosexuality is not a goal of the Family Research Council, but did not denounce Sprigg's statements.[19][20] Perkins repeated the FRC’s association of gay men with pedophilia,[19] saying that "If you look at the American College of Pediatricians, they say the research is overwhelming that homosexuality poses a danger to children." The opinions expressed by Perkins are contradicted by mainstream social science research on same-sex parenting[21] and the likelihood of child molestation by homosexuals,[21][22] and some scientists whose work is cited by the American College of Pediatricians, a small conservative political organization formed when the American Academy of Pediatrics endorsed adoption by same-sex couples, have accused the FRC of distorting and misrepresenting their work.[23]



Give me a break :shake:

[Serena]

I was at the movie and this stack of bills would just not shut the f*** up. Talked the entire time. And no before you ask, it wasn't black. Money is green you racist.

How inconsiderate!! Let me help you with that ... just send all your money to me and you will never have to listen to it again!

[Browncoat]

actions speak louder than words.

They certainly do. So, what actions have they taken to get homosexuality criminalized?

[Serena]

They certainly do. So, what actions have they taken to get homosexuality criminalized?

They are a LOBBYING organization. They EXIST to push their agenda in whatever way they can at all levels of the legal system. :duh:

Browncoat, come on ... you're not this dense.

[Whiskey]

From the FRC:

http://www.frc.org/brochure/the-top-ten-myths-of-homosexuality

A nice little brochure that is full of lies and blatant bigotry. It is sadly amusing that they dispute Facts with complete non-sequitors, including the one equating homosexual men to pedophiles. disgusting and pathetic.

[Inconceivable]

They certainly do. So, what actions have they taken to get homosexuality criminalized?

It's like a giant circle jerk. GIVE 5 MILLION DOLLARS TO ORGANIZATIONS LOBBYING TO DO THAT. It's not like Chik Fil A is a lobby firm, so they give money to orgs to push their agenda. It's called "how the world works". So they did what they could do push this agenda.

[Inconceivable]

They are a LOBBYING organization. They EXIST to push their agenda in whatever way they can at all levels of the legal system. :duh:

Browncoat, come on ... you're not this dense.

Damn, ninja'd.

[Baron Von Raschke]

There is about zero chance of Chick-fil-A's donation having any impact on anything.

This is for those of you who are obsessing. :ohnoes:

[Inconceivable]

There is about zero chance of Chick-fil-A's donation having any impact on anything.

This is for those of you who are obsessing. :ohnoes:

5 million is a lot of money to spend to not impact anything. They clearly think that it's worth it, why shouldn't we?

[Whiskey]

According to wiki:



Give me a break :shake:

I do love how they create a sham organization , and then reference them as being a real medical organization. :shake:

[Serena]

There is about zero chance of Chick-fil-A's donation having any impact on anything.

This is for those of you who are obsessing. :ohnoes:


Beating a dead horse is what we do here. :duh:

We even have an emoticon for it!! :horse:

And your point has been covered as well:



I do what I can. CFA is free to give their money to whatever agenda they want to promote. I'm free to eat at Wendy's instead.

:spnner:

One thing I don't get though is this: Corporations do charitable promotions ALL THE F'ING TIME. "Come buy our crap on Save-the-Whales day!! A portion of the proceeds will go to SAVE THE WHALES!!!"

Woohoo! Right? Or Pink-crap day for breast cancer, or special olympics, or whatever ...

I'm supposed to believe that 1) Company XYZ is a company that cares about the whales or whatever and 2) that the 2 cents they give from my purchase is actually going to make a difference.

The corporations WANT me to believe that.


So why am I not allowed or supposed to believe the same thing about CFA???

They proudly proclaim that their charitable dollars go to orgs fighting directly against the civil rights of gays. And they give that money continuously.

Thus ... EVERY day at CFA is We-hate-gays day!

So, I'll take a cheeseburger from Wendy's, thanks anyway. :shake:

Oh ... and bring me a frosty with that ... chocolate ... THANKS! :toth:

[Browncoat]

They are a LOBBYING organization. They EXIST to push their agenda in whatever way they can at all levels of the legal system. :duh:

Browncoat, come on ... you're not this dense.

Okay, they lobby. So do sugar producers. They say it's not part of their agenda to criminalize homosexuality. As a lobbying organization, I expect they lobby to promote their agenda, which includes keeping the traditional definition of marriage.

You've claimed they're trying to criminalize homosexuality, a serious charge. All you've said so far is that they lobby. Can you show they've lobbied to do what you're accusing them of?

[Whiskey]

To be fair, someone from that orginization was on Hard Ball and, according to wiki, expressed that opinion. But the FRC does say that's not a goal.

To be fair, many people in that organization have publicly stated that goal. True, once the backlash started after the Hard Ball interview with they came out and changed their stance and deleted most of the references from their website.

You can still find references to their old posts on other blogs, but the links are all now broken as the original FRC articles have been taken down.

One thing that they have on their website is A Pray List, that tells you what to pray for. Recently on that list was the request to Pray for other countries to continue to criminalize homosexuality and not bow to international pressure to abolish those laws.

So yes, the advocate the criminalization of homosexuality, despite their blatant lies saying the opposite.

They also oppose laws making reparative therapy illegal, which is really effed up.

[Baron Von Raschke]

5 million is a lot of money to spend to not impact anything. They clearly think that it's worth it, why shouldn't we?

5M is chump change to them.

[ARTS]

They also oppose laws making reparative therapy illegal, which is really effed up.

Okay, maybe I'm not understanding what that is, but...on what grounds would you make something like that illegal? You're talking about something that a consenting adult would willingly undergo, right?

[Whiskey]

Okay, maybe I'm not understanding what that is, but...on what grounds would you make something like that illegal? You're talking about something that a consenting adult would willingly undergo, right?

Sorry, I left out part of my thought. :oops:

The law makes it illegal for parents to ship their children off to this extremely harmful form if "therapy".

I know most of the people on this board will see nothing wrong with parents doing that (particularly browncoat), but it is effed up to do that to your child.

[Serena]

See above Browncoat.

Or not. Believe what you want to and enjoy your gay-hating chikn sammich. ;-)

[Browncoat]

actions speak louder than words.


To be fair, many people in that organization have publicly stated that goal. True, once the backlash started after the Hard Ball interview with they came out and changed their stance and deleted most of the references from their website.

You can still find references to their old posts on other blogs, but the links are all now broken as the original FRC articles have been taken down.

One thing that they have on their website is A Pray List, that tells you what to pray for. Recently on that list was the request to Pray for other countries to continue to criminalize homosexuality and not bow to international pressure to abolish those laws.

So yes, the advocate the criminalization of homosexuality, despite their blatant lies saying the opposite.

They also oppose laws making reparative therapy illegal, which is really effed up.

Okay, I understand why you don't like them. I've been avoiding a lot of the news on this whole CFA thing, so I haven't heard a lot about this. However, I'm not so dense to take the word of their haters on how evil they are at face value. The only "proof" I have that they want to criminalize homosexuality is the words of a few of their haters in this thread about former content of their website, and a wiki link that says specifically that they don't want to criminalize homosexuality.

Perhaps they do; I don't know. But you've not given me reason to think so, except to say that it's apparently something I should already know.

Hate them all you want, but don't expect me to take your word for it as to what they're trying to do.

[Serena]

It appears that you are happier not knowing. :shrug:

[The Cuddling Wingman]

As long as Nathan Fillion is alive we will have the gay among us

[mlschop]

It appears that you are happier not knowing. :shrug:

Appears that you are happier making assumptions. :shrug:

[Join Date: Mar 2012]

Hate them all you want

The irony, huh? I would laugh but really the whole thing is just sad. From both ends.

[Whiskey]

Hate them all you want, but don't expect me to take your word for it as to what they're trying to do.

I would find it amusing if it wasn't so sadly consistent with how you and others like you act. Playing the victim card when organizations like this go out of there way to spread hate and lies about homosexuals.

Did you take a look at that tripe that I linked to from their website? They are not even attempting to bs honest in this discussion.

[Serena]

Appears that you are happier making assumptions. :shrug:

It's pretty much what I do for a living: I compile and analyze data. Then I write reports about it that few people care about ... But I digress ...

It's no secret what these orgs are about. It doesn't take leaps of logic to get there. Not like the leaps some people are trying to make in order to make them look mainstream. Do what you want. All I've said is that I'll buy a chkn Sammy somewhere other than at a corp who gives them money.

[Baby, ByeBye]

Let's list out the homophobes in this forum!

[Browncoat]

It's pretty much what I do for a living: I compile and analyze data. Then I write reports about it that few people care about ... But I digress ...

It's no secret what these orgs are about. It doesn't take leaps of logic to get there. Not like the leaps some people are trying to make in order to make them look mainstream. Do what you want. All I've said is that I'll buy a chkn Sammy somewhere other than at a corp who gives them money.

Me? Far from it. I don't think they're mainstream at all. I just wondered if you could back up your claim that they're trying to criminalize homosexuality.

[Browncoat]

Did you take a look at that tripe that I linked to from their website? They are not even attempting to bs honest in this discussion.

Yes, but I didn't see where it said they want to criminalize homosexuality. Did I miss it, or are you just showing me some of the things they believe that you disagree with? Cause I only asked if they're really trying to criminalize homosexuality as was posted above.

[Serena]

Me? Far from it. I don't think they're mainstream at all. I just wondered if you could back up your claim that they're trying to criminalize homosexuality.

They have demonstrated that to my satisfaction.

[Baron Von Raschke]

Sorry, I left out part of my thought. :oops:

The law makes it illegal for parents to ship their children off to this extremely harmful form if "therapy".

I know most of the people on this board will see nothing wrong with parents doing that (particularly browncoat), but it is effed up to do that to your child.

Do you think it should also be illegal to encourage your kid to go into show business?

[Serena]

Do you think it should also be illegal to encourage your kid to go into show business?

Stage mom here: There are pretty strict laws in most states for kids in show biz to protect them from their overzealous parents who may not have the guts or brains to stand up to overzealous directors and producers.