Week 6 Fantasy Lineup Thread [Archive]

rekrap

10-14-2010, 09:12 AM

First, I'm not sure you should start Greg Jennings over Jabar Gaffney.

Second, if you get points for return yards, then Tate should start. Otherwise, not sure what the addition of Branch means for the WRs, other than Welker who will get his points.

JollyGoodFCAS

10-14-2010, 11:12 AM

Defense: Giants vs. Detroit or Tennessee @Jax

erosewater

10-14-2010, 11:32 AM

Probably overthinking this, but a Moss-less Brady vs BAL, or Eli vs DET?

Aeyyyyyy

10-14-2010, 12:46 PM

Defense: Giants vs. Detroit or Tennessee @Jax
The Giants D has been looking way too good to not play them against Detroit. I know they just held the Rams to 6 points, but I'm not buying that as anything meaningful yet. Aeyyyyyy! :tup:

Probably overthinking this, but a Moss-less Brady vs BAL, or Eli vs DET?
I'd still go Brady. Tried and true, and we already saw last Monday that being Moss-less won't have a huge effect. Aeyyyyyy! :tup:

My own question: Brent Celek vs ATL, or Dustin Keller vs DEN. The rankings say Keller by a hair, but I think they're overweighting his recent performance and that he'll come back down a bit with Holmes back, like he did last game. Also, Celek's already looking like last year's Celek with Kolb at the helm. Meaning, I'm leaning towards Brent Celek already, but would be interested to hear if people think I'm wrong.

Monkey D. Luffy

10-14-2010, 12:57 PM

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamdef

ATL 10th, DEN 24th. I'd lean Keller but all those 2nd tier TEs are sort of a crapshoot anyway.

|B|rad

10-14-2010, 01:03 PM

Probably overthinking this, but a Moss-less Brady vs BAL, or Eli vs DET?

I'm in the same dilemma. Leaning toward Eli.

rekrap

10-14-2010, 01:30 PM

I'd go Brady coming off the bye. I'd be concerned after last week that they don't let Eli put the ball in the air any more than necessary, to minimize his mistakes, and run the ball on Detroit.

JollyGoodFCAS

10-14-2010, 02:20 PM

I'd go Brady coming off the bye. I'd be concerned after last week that they don't let Eli put the ball in the air any more than necessary, to minimize his mistakes, and run the ball on Detroit.

I'd go with Eli. Baltimore's #2 against the pass, Detroit's 21st. And with the Lions having the 6th best scoring offense in the NFL there's no guarantee that the Giants will be able to dominate them.

JollyGoodFCAS

10-14-2010, 02:25 PM

My own question: Brent Celek vs ATL, or Dustin Keller vs DEN. The rankings say Keller by a hair, but I think they're overweighting his recent performance and that he'll come back down a bit with Holmes back, like he did last game. Also, Celek's already looking like last year's Celek with Kolb at the helm. Meaning, I'm leaning towards Brent Celek already, but would be interested to hear if people think I'm wrong.

I'm having a similar dilemma with Celek vs. Moeacki. Rankings have them even. I'd give the edge to Moeacki given the Houston D, but my opponent is playing Kolb so I'd like to hedge against him.

Jasper07734

10-14-2010, 02:55 PM

Am I right not to like Baltimore D vs. New England? Someone dropped Chargers D the other day (they play StL this week). Should I give up on my dream of having Michael Turner get hit by a bus, and drop Snelling for it? Or is it ok to let go of Fred Jackson for it since he's on bye this week and also he's on the Bills?

Jasper07734

10-14-2010, 02:57 PM

Also, how does this Jabar Gaffney fellow compare to Nate Washington?

Monkey D. Luffy

10-14-2010, 03:03 PM

Nate has a great matchup against Jax. FWIW.

Chargers D is way overrated, I wouldn't jump at the chance to take them, although the Rams might be an exception. Balt D vs NE is meh, I'd find something better.

erosewater

10-14-2010, 03:29 PM

I'm having a similar dilemma with Celek vs. Moeacki. Rankings have them even. I'd give the edge to Moeacki given the Houston D, but my opponent is playing Kolb so I'd like to hedge against him.

You've got it backwards, if your opponent is playing Kolb he has the hedge against you playing Celek. You can't get any points scoring a TD, and every 3 pts you get from Celek is 2 pts for him.

JollyGoodFCAS

10-14-2010, 03:40 PM

Pick 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 flex:

RB: Forte vs. Seattle, MBush @SF, Hillis @Pit, Torain vs. Indy
WR: Harvin vs. Dallas, SMoss vs. Indy, MThomas vs. Tenn, Bess @GB

For RB's, Forte is the only one I'm sure about. There's a good chance that McFadden will be back this weekend, Hillis is banged up and going against a tough D, and Torain is meh.

For WR's, will probably use Moss. Harvin's numbers depend on Favre's elbow, which is not looking so good right now. MThomas has been ok this season but might do well against a Titans D that is one of the worst against the pass.

Monkey D. Luffy

10-14-2010, 03:41 PM

Why is Torain meh?

JollyGoodFCAS

10-14-2010, 03:46 PM

You've got it backwards, if your opponent is playing Kolb he has the hedge against you playing Celek. You can't get any points scoring a TD, and every 3 pts you get from Celek is 2 pts for him.

In our league passing TD's are just 4 points, 1 pt for 25 passing yards and 1 pt for 10 receiving yards. So if Celek gets 50 yards and 1 TD, then he'll have 11 pts to Kolb's 6.

JollyGoodFCAS

10-14-2010, 03:50 PM

Why is Torain meh?

He's played just 5 games in 3 years with the league, hasn't shown much so far.

epeddy1

10-14-2010, 03:59 PM

Here's a doozy of a start/sit:

Hillis vs Pitt or Green-Ellis vs Balt

If Hillis wasn't banged up, it would be easy. But his "Q" concerns me.

Jasper07734

10-14-2010, 04:05 PM

rekrap

10-14-2010, 04:08 PM

In our league passing TD's are just 4 points, 1 pt for 25 passing yards and 1 pt for 10 receiving yards. So if Celek gets 50 yards and 1 TD, then he'll have 11 pts to Kolb's 6.

I try to convince myself of this play as an argument for doing it often.

It's an imperfect hedge, still. If Kolb leans on Maclin or Jackson more, then Celek could offer little "protection". If they run more with McCoy & Harrison, then Kolb and Celek both do little, or if Kolb only throws his TDs to Celek it's a near-perfect hedge on covering his QBs points with your TE (no way all the yards go to Celek, though). But does your QB points then at least cover his TE?

You really need a QB who outperforms his QB, a TE who will do better than his TE, and likewise, you need the best play at every position. Especially if you are playing for top score each week gets $$. Less important to hedge than just try to put up the most points.

rekrap

10-14-2010, 04:09 PM

He's played just 5 games in 3 years with the league, hasn't shown much so far.

But now he gets to show it against Indy's stellar D.

Monkey D. Luffy

10-14-2010, 04:26 PM

But now he gets to show it against Indy's stellar D.

Fantasy is more about the matchups and playing time than quality of the player. See: Garrard, David, and Evans, Lee.

JollyGoodFCAS

10-14-2010, 04:28 PM

If I don't start Baltimore D, then who do I start? (top available Ds, in reverse average order)

Chargers D/ST, @StL
Patriots D/ST, Bal
Packers D/ST, Mia
Seahawks D/ST, @Chi
Chiefs D/ST, @Hou
Lions D/ST, @NYG
Buccaneers D/ST, NO

:lol: @ Browns D projected to get 9 pts vs. Pittsburgh

:lol: @ Bills D projected to beat their average (they're on bye)

Bolts are probably your best bet. Another alternative is to play Baltimore and pick up the Chiefs as a 2nd D, since they have a pretty easy schedule the rest of the season. I'm surprised they are even available in your league - one of our guys scooped them up after Week 1 and hasn't let go.

erosewater

10-14-2010, 05:34 PM

In our league passing TD's are just 4 points, 1 pt for 25 passing yards and 1 pt for 10 receiving yards. So if Celek gets 50 yards and 1 TD, then he'll have 11 pts to Kolb's 6.

The 4pt passing TDs reduce the hedge a bit, but you still don't get full value out of Celek's points because of Kolb. I'd play Moeaki.

erosewater

10-14-2010, 05:40 PM

I try to convince myself of this play as an argument for doing it often.

It's an imperfect hedge, still. If Kolb leans on Maclin or Jackson more, then Celek could offer little "protection". If they run more with McCoy & Harrison, then Kolb and Celek both do little, or if Kolb only throws his TDs to Celek it's a near-perfect hedge on covering his QBs points with your TE (no way all the yards go to Celek, though). But does your QB points then at least cover his TE?

This hedge really only works the other way. If I'm trying to decide between Eli and Brady and my opponent has Nicks, Eli is a good play as a hedge because he neutralizes Nicks' TDs and some of his rec yards. Assuming you have a choice between two closely ranked players, picking a receiver as a hedge just lowers his potential value.

chiefofpool

10-14-2010, 06:09 PM

Standard yahoo scoring no PPR

Forte vs Sea
Charles vs Hou
McFadden vs SF
Jacobs vs Det
D.Brown vs Was (a big big big maybe, only if Addai is inactive)

Andre vs KC
Driver vs Mia
Steve Smith NYG vs Det
Wallace vs Cle (I'm starting Roeth)
Knox vs Sea

I was leaning towards Andre, Wallace, Forte, Charles and Steve Smith. (Might swap Smith for Driver if Rodgers looks healthy) What do you guys think?

JollyGoodFCAS

10-14-2010, 06:14 PM

I agree with your choices. Definitely play Driver if Rodgers is healthy.

RhoRho

10-15-2010, 11:14 AM

ShakeNBakes

10-15-2010, 01:01 PM

Big game this week... I'm 5-0 and playing the only 4-1 team in the league. In overall scoring, he's first and I'm second. He's got the Petyon-Reggie combo, I've got the Rivers-Gates combo. We could have a situation. Anyways, start 2 RB and 3 WR (my likely starters in bold):

RB: Bradshaw (DET), Mathews (@STL), B. Jackson (MIA), CedBen (bye)
WR: M Williams (NO), Royal (NYJ), Moore (@TB), R Williams (@MIN), T.O. (bye)

Is Roy Williams worth starting? I picked up Jackson in the hopes that he pulls his head out of his ass for the last half of the season, but I don't think I want to play him this week.

ShakeNBakes

10-15-2010, 01:06 PM

No PPR, standard scoring:
WR: A. Johnson, C. Johnson, S. Holmes, G. Jennings, J. Maclin, B. Tate

I only get to pick 2. I am debating between Holmes, Jennings and Maclin. I am leaning towards Jennings who I just acquired so I can hedge since my opponent is starting Rodgers.
I don't like hedging strategies in fantasy football. Play whoever you think is going to get the most points. That being said, if Rodgers is healthy I'd go with Jennings. If Rodgers is out, I think I'd play Maclin.

rekrap

10-15-2010, 01:28 PM

No PPR, standard scoring:
WR: A. Johnson, C. Johnson, S. Holmes, G. Jennings, J. Maclin, B. Tate

I only get to pick 2. I am debating between Holmes, Jennings and Maclin. I am leaning towards Jennings who I just acquired so I can hedge since my opponent is starting Rodgers.

Avoid Jennings. As noted earlier, you are only helping your opponent, and he's not playing at all like a #1 well right now.

rekrap

10-15-2010, 01:29 PM

Is Mike Williams (TB) foot actually an issue, or just typical NFL injury news?

Jasper07734

10-17-2010, 01:19 PM

Of course, Murphy's Law dictates that Lance will score 2 TD's as soon as you drop him....

One down, one to go. :swear::swear::swear:

JollyGoodFCAS

10-17-2010, 07:23 PM

One down, one to go. :swear::swear::swear:

My opponent benched him too. Not that it made a big difference, since he got big games from Knox and AJ and is up by 35. I still have a chance, with Torain, Mike Thomas and Scobee to go, but not holding my breath.

Jasper07734

10-17-2010, 07:41 PM

My opponent benched him too. Not that it made a big difference, since he got big games from Knox and AJ and is up by 35. I still have a chance, with Torain, Mike Thomas and Scobee to go, but not holding my breath.

I have Garrard, Torain, SMoss, NWashington, and Bironas to go. Opponent has MJD and Wayne to go. Down 77.3 to 115.5 (barring the weird adjustments to D and P that sometimes happen). "Projected" to lose by 8. This time I really do think that I still have a chance.

tommie frazier

10-17-2010, 07:43 PM

anyone know why kevin walter had nothing today? no catches, no targets. but he wasn't on the injury report, wasn't listed as inactive, and I had no updates on espn for him suggesting anything was up. how does this happen these days?

JollyGoodFCAS

10-17-2010, 07:43 PM

I have Garrard, Torain, SMoss, NWashington, and Bironas to go. Opponent has MJD and Wayne to go. Down 77.3 to 115.5 (barring the weird adjustments to D and P that sometimes happen). "Projected" to lose by 8. This time I really do think that I still have a chance.

I thought I had a much better choice when my opponent had 65 points with just a few minutes to go. Then his team scores 3 TD's in a 2-minute span. :swear:

JollyGoodFCAS

10-18-2010, 12:47 AM

I have Garrard, Torain, SMoss, NWashington, and Bironas to go. Opponent has MJD and Wayne to go. Down 77.3 to 115.5 (barring the weird adjustments to D and P that sometimes happen). "Projected" to lose by 8. This time I really do think that I still have a chance.

Great game for Torain, but now I'm regretting not putting in Bess and Celek. Then I'd be down by just 2 with Scobee to go. Now I'm down 13 with Jones + Scobee to go. Reminds me of a match I played 2 years ago where I was down 10 going into Monday night, knowing that the right coaching decision would have won the match for me. I lost that game by 1! :swear:

Jasper07734

10-18-2010, 12:55 AM

Great game for Torain, but now I'm regretting not putting in Bess and Celek. Then I'd be down by just 2 with Scobee to go. Now I'm down 13 with Jones + Scobee to go. Reminds me of a match I played 2 years ago where I was down 10 going into Monday night, knowing that the right coaching decision would have won the match for me. I lost that game by 1! :swear:

Down by 15 but projected to win by 12... Garrard, NWashington, and Bironas to go, vs. MJD to go for opponent... I can has first win of season???

rekrap

10-18-2010, 09:17 AM

In almost every league I'm in, I need Chris Johnson to have one of his good weeks, and not one of his bad weeks.

Twenty points at least. :popcorn:

3rookie

10-18-2010, 09:28 AM

In almost every league I'm in, I need Chris Johnson to have one of his good weeks, and not one of his bad weeks.

Twenty points at least. :popcorn:I need the opposite. Imagine that.

BallaActuary

10-18-2010, 06:04 PM

Commissioner accused me of cheating last week in an odd FF week... I'm up 26 + Scobee and he has CJ... I really want to win this week. Go Jags

JollyGoodFCAS

10-18-2010, 06:12 PM

Commissioner accused me of cheating last week in an odd FF week... I'm up 26 + Scobee and he has CJ... I really want to win this week. Go Jags

Cheating? What, did he think you paid the opponent's players to take a dive?

BallaActuary

10-18-2010, 06:18 PM

Cheating? What, did he think you paid the opponent's players to take a dive?

Somewhat amusing, but long story

:crossfingers: I beat him tonight

Jasper07734

10-18-2010, 09:44 PM

:lol: @ another team in my league having Vince Young to go (with their opponent done) and being down by 10. If he doesn't return, they're gonna be piiiiiiiiissed... :-P

rekrap

10-18-2010, 09:59 PM

In almost every league I'm in, I need Chris Johnson to have one of his good weeks, and not one of his bad weeks.

Twenty points at least. :popcorn:

What's the deal. I don't get ESPN... why is CJ not running?

3rookie

10-18-2010, 10:11 PM

What's the deal. I don't get ESPN... why is CJ not running?I thought they just took him out for that particular drive. Looks like our matchup will go late tonight...

rekrap

10-18-2010, 10:13 PM

I thought they just took him out for that particular drive. Looks like our matchup will go late tonight...

I'd just go to bed if Kenny hadn't already put up the TD making it at least appealing.

Without CJ scoring, I'm toast in my other money league.

Jasper07734

10-18-2010, 10:31 PM

...aaaaand Garrard gets a concussion. Which basically means I lost. :crying:

I HATE fantasy football!!!!!!!!!!!111 :crying::crying::crying:

tommie frazier

10-18-2010, 11:06 PM

Somewhat amusing, but long story

:crossfingers: I beat him tonight

too long for us to be interested? impossible!

share. we love this stuff!

rekrap

10-18-2010, 11:29 PM

Looks like our matchup will go late tonight...

O...M...G... :notworth:

3rookie

10-19-2010, 12:02 AM

BallaActuary

10-19-2010, 12:05 AM

O...M...G... :notworth:

At least I lost by more than 3 pts this week...thanks :toast:

JollyGoodFCAS

10-19-2010, 12:34 AM

Lost by 2 f--in points! I play Titans D instead of Giants and I get an easy W. That's one reason a Giants fans like me doesn't like to have Big Blue on my team, but after their dominant performance against Houston it's hard not to play them.