View Full Version : Limit Holdem: raising on the turn
12-22-2003, 12:19 PM
Should I raise on the turn generally?
Bicycle Repair Man
12-22-2003, 12:33 PM
Shouldn't poker threads go in "Fun and Games"? Presumably, poker is fun and I'm pretty sure it's a game.
12-22-2003, 01:48 PM
Shouldn't poker threads go in "Fun and Games"? Presumably, poker is fun and I'm pretty sure it's a game.I think Fun and Games is for silly threads like parody threads.
12-22-2003, 01:52 PM
I think loser called the flop b/c he wanted to trap TopDog in the middle for a big bet, instead of a small one. If he raises the flop, then "Bermuda" re-raises and TopDog folds. That way he only gets .50 from TopDog. This way he gets 1.50. FWIW, if I was loser I would have raised on the flop and hoped "Bermuda" raises in case TopDog is on a str draw.
12-22-2003, 02:09 PM
The book I bought says to raise a set as much as you can once it flops. However, there is a line of reasoning that says to raise on the turn in certain situations and not after the flop. The hand below is a strange example because the player who waited until the turn to raise was actually beat until the lucky 3 came on the river. For this discussion, ignore the river card as it is not the point.
I see a couple of interesting things here. BTW, this was not me, but i changed the name because I didn't ask permission.
1) "Bermuda" could have check raised after the flop, but he was the last to act. His bet didn't really tell anyone anything since it was really a positional bet. Loser 072 check-calls here, basically trapping Bermuda. Is this a good play?
I think loser is misplaying the hand at this point. Flopping bottom set is not a good time to slowplay a hand. It gives an overpair or two pair a chance to have a free card or a cheap card. Especially with a potential straight draw out there for AK, KT, T9
2) Loser 072 check-raises on the turn and then caps the betting. This doesn't seem well played since Bermuda raised before the flop and led the betting both times. However, since there is no straight or flush possibility, the only thing that would beat Loser072 is QQ, so perhaps capping the bet was calculated and OK.
QQ, JJ, 66 all have him beat and he can't eliminate any of the hands from the way the betting has unfolded. I can see making it two bets, but i would have already played it differently so i wouldn't be in this situation. He can either call the third bet or make it 4 bets. if he had an read that his opponent didn't have a set i agree with making it 4 bets here.
3) The effect of check raising on the turn fools Bermuda into thinking Loser072 has something else. When the 6 comes up and causes Loser072 to bet, bermuda must think that Loser072 has 66 or J6 or something like that. Again, this is not a good example. a better example would have been if bermuda was playing QJ, but my point is what saving the raise until the turn does to misdirect your opponents.
Saving the raise till the turn is a classic slowplay, an effort to get more money out of your opponents and keeping more opponents in the pot. With few exceptions this should only rarely be done and only with the best hands.
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