OBL is dead

[RazorGuns]

So say they say. Is he really that dumb he's stayed in afghanistan? Will they show his body? He picked that one cave that we can never find? Let the conspiracy olympics begin!

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[ElDucky]

He was in Pakistan in a mansion.

[Keep It Real, Yo]

Drinking some 18 year scotch!

:usa:

I wish I had some expensive bourbon on hand :oops:

[RazorGuns]

I really hope he didn't die from tripping on a cord or listening to a rebecca black song. I also wonder if they'll spin it so that he died from us military hands but really he died cuz he fell down some cave steps.

Conspiracies ... ready, set, go!

r

[ElDucky]

Obviously he died of natural causes and now they are annoucing they got him. Since 9/11 was an inside job, and Osama agreed to take the blame for it, and agreed that once he died of natural causes, they could pretend they got him.

[FattyMcGee]

Only about 9.5 years too late.

[A Very Curious Aardvark]

http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/221947_1770388331929_1005842103_1518167_889738_n.j pg

[RazorGuns]

Now we gotta pay for a proper burial in his home country with a royal family headstone so terrorists can pay proper respects to him every year. Let the funeral fun begin!

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[A Very Curious Aardvark]

http://burka.blogspot.com/Hussein%20Statue.jpg

[RazorGuns]

OMFG what a douche. OBL dies and he's gotta wait til his speech writers write this big epilogue on how 9/11 affected us, how strong we are, blah blah blah.

Everyone wants to know the news - jsut come right out and say it. If we're attacked by nukes - is he going to wait for his speech to be written before addressing the nation?

But if it happened the way he says - way to go cia / people who ratted him out whoever!

r

[Samir]

He was in Pakistan in a mansion.

There was a cyclone... and the mansion landed on him.

[actuary_aspire]

21480

[urbansombrero]

Are you saying Obama is osama with a face transplant? No you didnt!

[Vorian Atreides]

I wonder how many years Al-Jezzera (sp?) will keep showing "new" video clips of statements by OBL inciting jihad against the white demons.





Note: I have nothing against Muslims in general. I have a strong disapproval for the occurrences of the Crusades in the middle/dark ages. I have a strong disapproval for any attitude that's basically "violence in the name of religion" apart from a fight for religious freedom.

[Gonzo]

I really hope he didn't die from tripping on a cord or listening to a rebecca black song. I also wonder if they'll spin it so that he died from us military hands but really he died cuz he fell down some cave steps.

Conspiracies ... ready, set, go!

r

he was shot from the grassy knoll

[ElDucky]

I thought he was shot from the set of the moon landing.

[Gonzo]

either way
terrorists = terrorists - 1

[Gonzo]

I heard chuck norris got him

[Gonzo]

with a roundhouse kick

[Gonzo]

looks like the US is in desperate need for a new bad guy

[RazorGuns]

btw: that 'dead' pic is fake. been around since 09. proof:

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:HhEh-2wPwVMJ:www.thepeoplesvoice.org/TPV3/Voices.php/2009/04/29/osama-bin-laden-believed-dead-by-pak-int+%22neither+pakistani+or+american+intelligence+ experts+have+detected+traces%22&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&source=www.google.com

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[RazorGuns]

actual report from people in that area. interesting:

http://www.pakwheels.com/forums/non-wheels-discussions/164223-whats-going

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[Dismal Science]

Dude - Political is where the action is at.

[asdfasdf]

**** yeah!!!!

[Uncle Ted]

For the benefit of non-political posters...

http://i.imgur.com/KDssc.jpg

[The Drunken Actuary]

http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/221947_1770388331929_1005842103_1518167_889738_n.j pg

I watched about 5 mins of Fox News last night because I was curious about how they would cover the story. In those 5 mins I was treated to this tid-bit...Geraldo Rivera (the anchor) said, "Obviously we're glad Obama Bin Laden is dead"...he paused, realizing what hed said and then said restated it correctly. To his credit he just kind of moved on and didnt try to cover it up or anything.

[Ginormous76]

For the benefit of non-political posters...

http://i.imgur.com/KDssc.jpg

:tup: :iatp: ^ infinity

[The Drunken Actuary]

:tup: :iatp: ^ infinity

:iatp:

[The Drunken Actuary]

That picture of him is awesome.

[The Drunken Actuary]

I'm going to put that on facebook.

[oedipus rex]

so they buried him at sea... no body will give the conspiracy theorists more ammunition. why was he in a pakistani military complex?

[Simply Brilliant]

Anyone catch Fox News actually saying President Obama is dead.

I missed the Obama Bin Laden is Dead flashing on the screen.

[asdfasdf]

Is that why they all the sudden started spelling it Usama?

[Simply Brilliant]

so they buried him at sea... no body will give the conspiracy theorists more ammunition. why was he in a pakistani military complex?

:iatp:

The stuff I've seen didn't say he was in a pakistani military complex.....

[Enough Exams Already]

so they buried him at sea... no body will give the conspiracy theorists more ammunition. why was he in a pakistani military complex?

:co: The Pakistanis were letting him hide out there. Is there another explanation?

[Werewolf]

Note: I have nothing against Muslims in general. I have a strong disapproval for the occurrences of the Crusades in the middle/dark ages. I have a strong disapproval for any attitude that's basically "violence in the name of religion" apart from a fight for religious freedom.

I'm curious if you approve or disapprove of the Arab conquest of much of the lands that were part of the Roman Empire centuries before that.

[DaveTheBarbarian]

Conspiracy theories aside, doing a "proper" burial seems more like a way to mitigate any sleeper cells call to arms kind of deal.

[SirVLCIV]

I'm curious if you approve or disapprove of the Arab conquest of much of the lands that were part of the Roman Empire centuries before that.

And how about that Alexander the Great?

[asdfasdf]

And how about that Alexander the Great?

We should just give it all back to the wholly mammoths

[Werewolf]

And how about that Alexander the Great?

While I don't think his army was told that dying in battle was a guaranteed entry to paradise, your comment does reinforce my point. Why is it that people generally accept that the people occupying a land as of one particular date get to claim that land in perpetuity? Why aren't we looking to reassert Assyrian authority over the Middle East?

[Lucy]

I believe that Saddam Hussein explicitly connected his rule to the rule of the ancient Babylonians, and even made some attempt to rebuild the hanging gardens of antiquity.

[asdfasdf]

While I don't think his army was told that dying in battle was a guaranteed entry to paradise, your comment does reinforce my point. Why is it that people generally accept that the people occupying a land as of one particular date get to claim that land in perpetuity? Why aren't we looking to reassert Assyrian authority over the Middle East?

Very broadly because once a specific group establishes itself you need to kill a lot of them to make them leave. So, the path of least death is to let people stay where they are now.

[oofta]

Conspiracy theories don't work for this. And frankly, it would be stupid for Obama to falsely claim this. OBL could (and would) easily disprove this. If he was still alive he would use this as a chance to point out that the US government lies and rally people behind him.

[asdfasdf]

:iatp:

For the DNA test, did we already have his DNA on file somewhere? Maybe the idea is to test it against his brothers or something. Just seems a bit odd offhand.

[oedipus rex]

:co: The Pakistanis were letting him hide out there. Is there another explanation?do you answer every rhetorical question asked in your presence? wait, don't answer that.

[A Very Curious Aardvark]

:iatp:

For the DNA test, did we already have his DNA on file somewhere? Maybe the idea is to test it against his brothers or something. Just seems a bit odd offhand.

His sister was getting treatment in Boston and the FBI claimed her brain for evidence purposes when she died. DNA was used from that

[asdfasdf]

His sister was getting treatment in Boston and the FBI claimed her brain for evidence purposes when she died. DNA was used from that

:lol: I did not know that, pretty cool to just claim someone's brain as evidence

[Lucy]

:iatp:

For the DNA test, did we already have his DNA on file somewhere? Maybe the idea is to test it against his brothers or something. Just seems a bit odd offhand.
I heard that they compared his DNA to medical samples from his sister, who was treated at some hospital in Boston a few years ago. Hospitals tend to routinely hang on to old biological samples. No doubt that will eventually blow up in a big priavacy issue, but it's convenient for this purpose.

[Saint Kepler]

Conspiracy theories don't work for this. And frankly, it would be stupid for Obama to falsely claim this. OBL could (and would) easily disprove this. If he was still alive he would use this as a chance to point out that the US government lies and rally people behind him.

Unless they really captured him and are just saying he is dead. :tfh:

[The Drunken Actuary]

While I don't think his army was told that dying in battle was a guaranteed entry to paradise, your comment does reinforce my point. Why is it that people generally accept that the people occupying a land as of one particular date get to claim that land in perpetuity? Why aren't we looking to reassert Assyrian authority over the Middle East?

Probably because there ain't no Assyrians no more.

[Salzmann]

I heard that they compared his DNA to medical samples from his sister, who was treated at some hospital in Boston a few years ago. Hospitals tend to routinely hang on to old biological samples. No doubt that will eventually blow up in a big priavacy issue, but it's convenient for this purpose.

A little OT, but the research to determine once and for all whether Anna Anderson was really Anastasia, the lost daughter of Tsar Nicholas II of Russia was concluded years after Anna Anderson died. After a lot of begging, pleading and dealing, they got a sample of some biological material from when she was in a hospital (she'd lived in the US for years) and matched it against the mitochindrial DNA of Prince Philip, whose mother was a relative of the Russian royal family. It was not a match.

[oofta]

Unless they really captured him and are just saying he is dead. :tfh:

I'm okay with that.

[Werewolf]

Probably because there ain't no Assyrians no more.

So if there were a group that still exists, and has a claim to a particular land that predates another group by centuries, we should use the older claim?

[Lucy]

Probably because there ain't no Assyrians no more.

So if there were a group that still exists, and has a claim to a particular land that predates another group by centuries, we should use the older claim?There is. They are called Syrians. There's a cultural divide due to the Islamic conquest, but it's more or less the same tribes.

[JollyGoodFCAS]

While I don't think his army was told that dying in battle was a guaranteed entry to paradise, your comment does reinforce my point. Why is it that people generally accept that the people occupying a land as of one particular date get to claim that land in perpetuity? Why aren't we looking to reassert Assyrian authority over the Middle East?

Because we don't even know what the capital of Assyria is.

[JollyGoodFCAS]

Anyone catch Fox News actually saying President Obama is dead.

I missed the Obama Bin Laden is Dead flashing on the screen.

At least they didn't say that Barack Hussein was captured when the US invaded Iraq....

[Jables]

http://j.mp/jb4vCU

Apologies if someone else already posted this in Political...

[Steve Grondin]

There is. They are called Syrians. There's a cultural divide due to the Islamic conquest, but it's more or less the same tribes.

Um, not 100% sure on this, but I don't think the Assyrians are the same people as most modern Syrians.

eta: look at

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assyrian_People

[The Drunken Actuary]

So if there were a group that still exists, and has a claim to a particular land that predates another group by centuries, we should use the older claim?

Use it for what? An internet argument? Sure.

[The Drunken Actuary]

Anyone catch Fox News actually saying President Obama is dead.

I missed the Obama Bin Laden is Dead flashing on the screen.

I heard Geraldo say he was happy Obama Bin Laden is dead. Heard it myself, live.

[The Drunken Actuary]

There is. They are called Syrians. There's a cultural divide due to the Islamic conquest, but it's more or less the same tribes.

Just cuz the names sound kind of the same doesn't mean they are the same peoples.

[Lucy]

Um, not 100% sure on this, but I don't think the Assyrians are the same people as most modern Syrians.

eta: look at

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assyrian_PeopleI looked at the article, and I don't think it really disagrees. The Assyrian empire was very ethnically diverse, but descendants of most of those people are still living there. I was surprised to read how many

". . .resisted the process of Arabization and Islamification, retaining a distinct Mesopotamian identity, eastern Aramaic tongue and written script."

A lot of the "Arabs" who live there today are descendants of the Assyrians and the other tribes that made up that empire. The conquering Arab Muslims brought their culture and language as well as their religion to many of their conquered lands. You see all the same tribes mentioned among the pre-Islamic origin of the Arabs in
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab
as you see among the peoples of the Assyrian empire in
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assyrian_People

Of course, there are also Persians and Turkic peoples around there, who come of other stock.

[The Drunken Actuary]

I looked at the article, and I don't think it really disagrees. The Assyrian empire was very ethnically diverse, but descendants of most of those people are still living there. I was surprised to read how many

". . .resisted the process of Arabization and Islamification, retaining a distinct Mesopotamian identity, eastern Aramaic tongue and written script."

A lot of the "Arabs" who live there today are descendants of the Assyrians and the other tribes that made up that empire. The conquering Arab Muslims brought their culture and language as well as their religion to many of their conquered lands. You see all the same tribes mentioned among the pre-Islamic origin of the Arabs in
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab
as you see among the peoples of the Assyrian empire in
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assyrian_People

Of course, there are also Persians and Turkic peoples around there, who come of other stock.

None of that is the point. Are there people on earth today that identify themselves as Assyrians and who also think of themselves as the same people as what we call the Assyrian Empire?

[Inconceivable]

WTF are you guys talking about this for?

[Keep It Real, Yo]

WTF are you guys talking about this for?

Welcome to the internets

[Lucy]

None of that is the point. Are there people on earth today that identify themselves as Assyrians and who also think of themselves as the same people as what we call the Assyrian Empire?Yes, although not as many as before the Turks and some others massacred them, apparently. And Saddam did explicitly link his nation with the ancient nation lf Babylon, and he was probably reasonably accurate to do so.

[The Drunken Actuary]

Yes, although not as many as before the Turks and some others massacred them, apparently. And Saddam did explicitly link his nation with the ancient nation lf Babylon, and he was probably reasonably accurate to do so.

In that case, give Assyria back to the Assyrians!

[Rockhound]

I watched about 5 mins of Fox News last night because I was curious about how they would cover the story. In those 5 mins I was treated to this tid-bit...Geraldo Rivera (the anchor) said, "Obviously we're glad Obama Bin Laden is dead"...he paused, realizing what hed said and then said restated it correctly. To his credit he just kind of moved on and didnt try to cover it up or anything.

Pretty common mistake. I heard a CNN reporter say the same thing, and didn't even correct herself.

[Steve Grondin]

I looked at the article, and I don't think it really disagrees. The Assyrian empire was very ethnically diverse, but descendants of most of those people are still living there.

A lot of the "Arabs" who live there today are descendants of the Assyrians and the other tribes that made up that empire. The conquering Arab Muslims brought their culture and language as well as their religion to many of their conquered lands. You see all the same tribes mentioned among the pre-Islamic origin of the Arabs in
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab
as you see among the peoples of the Assyrian empire in
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assyrian_People

Of course, there are also Persians and Turkic peoples around there, who come of other stock.
I think both the Arab and Assyrian wiki entries show they are distinct peoples. While the Assyrian empire might have ruled Arabs, they were not the same people. They are more closely related to each other than to the Persians and especially the Turkic peoples, but still distinct. On the Arab page, it says Syria is 88% Arab, leaving a distinct minority to be Assyrian.

[Jim Luther Davis]

WTF are you guys talking about this for?

America!
Giraffe yeah!
Comin' again to save the mothergiraffin' day yeah!
America!
Giraffe yeah!
Freedom is the only way yeah!
Terrorists, your game is through
'Cause now you have to answer to
America!
Giraffe yeah!
So lick my butt and suck on my balls!
America!
Giraffe yeah!
America!
Giraffe yeah!
Comin' again to save the mothergiraffin' day yeah!
America!
Giraffe yeah!
Freedom is the only way yeah!
It's the dream that we all share
It's the hope for tomorrow
Giraffe yeah!

[Keef]

http://j.mp/jb4vCU

Apologies if someone else already posted this in Political...

doesn't look like a remote jungle mountain city to me

can't be the right place

[Keef]

Last century there were over a dozen films made of the gunfight at the OK Corral

Wonder how many will be made this century about this raid?

[asdfasdf]

America!
Giraffe yeah!
Comin' again to save the mothergiraffin' day yeah!
America!
Giraffe yeah!
Freedom is the only way yeah!
Terrorists, your game is through
'Cause now you have to answer to
America!
Giraffe yeah!
So lick my butt and suck on my balls!
America!
Giraffe yeah!
America!
Giraffe yeah!
Comin' again to save the mothergiraffin' day yeah!
America!
Giraffe yeah!
Freedom is the only way yeah!
It's the dream that we all share
It's the hope for tomorrow
Giraffe yeah!

:rock1: I promise that I will never die

[Keef]

http://news.ca.msn.com/world/graphic-novel-outlines-raid-to-capture-bin-laden-1

the raid is being told in graphic novel form