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scooter
01-13-2004, 03:03 PM
I have a couple of questions for those of you who play poker on atleast a somewhat regular basis. I am trying to determine what is the norm for each of these scenarios. We had a friendly poker game at a family get together this past weekend and there was some dispute as to who won these type of hands.

1. In a game of straight 7, high spade (high hand gets half/high spade gets half), how many cards are used to determine ones hand. Is a poker hand made up of just your five "best" cards? For example, if two people both have an eight high straight, do they split the "high hand" half of the pot, or in the event of a tie do you look to the next highest card to break the tie?

2. This question would apply to almost any game with wild cards. Again, the question of how many cards make up a hand. For example, one person has six 7's in their hand and another person has five 8's. In determining the winner, is it five 7's against 5 8's, or six 7's against five 8's?

Thanks for your input

Dr T Non-Fan
01-13-2004, 03:12 PM
1. It's five best. That's the standard. The other two are not used.

2. With wild cards, it should still be five best. That's what poker is. You can call new rules at the beginning, call "seven best" if you like, with seven aces or Super Royal flush best. (I don't know which is more diffcult.) But, playing without wild cards solves this problem most efficiently. Keep with five-best rule to make things simple: in your example, five 8's beats five 7s.

scooter
01-13-2004, 03:18 PM
1. It's five best. That's the standard. The other two are not used.

So in my example, two eight high straights would tie and split?

scooter
01-13-2004, 03:19 PM
Keep with five-best rule to make things simple: in your example, five 8's beats five 7s.

I like this, especially since I was the five eights

Expunge
01-13-2004, 03:21 PM
5 best cards is a winner....

The other question that has come up once is... does a natuaral hand (one without wilds) beat a the same hand that has wilds? ie AAAKK natural vs. WAAKK?

Cynical Realist
01-13-2004, 03:23 PM
I have another question. We were playing Omaha with my Uncle and Brother. I say "Eight or Better for Low", then they asked whether the Wheel was the best low. I said "yes, the wheel, A-5 goes both ways."

So of course I hit the best Low (2-6). They claim it's not a low, it's a high hand. In my Uncle's bizarro world, and he still insists this today, that there are playes that play a "Wheel" (A-5) as a low, but only the "Wheel" goes both ways. A (2-6) would be a high hand. I told him he was nuts, and that when you say a Wheel is low, or goes both ways, it applies to all low qualifying straights.

Anyone else ever hear of only the Wheel going two ways?

Expunge
01-13-2004, 03:26 PM
no, if the wheel goes both ways, everything goes both ways.

Dr T Non-Fan
01-13-2004, 03:28 PM
Wild cards do cause ambiguities such as yours, Ex. Better not to play with them or surely note this pre-deal. Otherwise, it's called "arguing," not "poker."

What if one player has two wilds, while the other has one? Say AKQwT vs wKQJw?

More wild card questions: during a 7-stud game, the high showing hand bets first. Suppose first round of betting, with one card showing.
1. Is wild-card high when there are no aces? Technically it's an ace to all who see it.
2. Is wild-card high when there are aces? My group usually declares the natural the high hand.

O. Hannah
01-13-2004, 03:45 PM
The A-5 and 2-6 scenarios are wierd. In my circle...those would be straights and therefore not be small hands EVER.

We would allow Ace as low...making A-4,6 the lowest possible hand.

We always treat the MOST natural hand as winning a tie against wilds.


This basically just illustrates the point that there are millions of poker variants out there and you need to be clear in your rules.

Cynical Realist
01-13-2004, 03:46 PM
no, if the wheel goes both ways, everything goes both ways.

Sure, I know that. But has anyone heard it, or played it the other way. I tried to tell him he was nuts, but he still to this day swears I made it up to steal half the pot.

Of course, we had a similar situation on the golf course. We play Long Drive in the Fairway on the Par 5's is worth a skin. We are playing the famous Z-hole (#16 at Brandywine in Ohio). He hits his drive straight about 200. I hit a drive that cuts around the corner somewhat. His drive went farther from the tee than mine, but I went further up the course than his, and am now closer to the hole. He tries to claim his drive was longer than mine, and he should get the skin. We had to get the club pro to rule in my favor to make it official.

Cynical Realist
01-13-2004, 03:49 PM
The A-5 and 2-6 scenarios are wierd. In my circle...those would be straights and therefore not be small hands EVER.

We do play "Want It, Want It, Got It" with a "6-4" being the best low, meaning all low straights go high. But most other games we play low straights can be low, consistent with how it is played in the casino for Omaha.

Brad Gile
01-13-2004, 03:50 PM
When I played hi-lo poker in my college days, the best low hand was A2346. The "wheel" and all other straights were high hands. :D


Brad

Expunge
01-13-2004, 03:59 PM
no, if the wheel goes both ways, everything goes both ways.

Sure, I know that. But has anyone heard it, or played it the other way. I tried to tell him he was nuts, but he still to this day swears I made it up to steal half the pot.

Of course, we had a similar situation on the golf course. We play Long Drive in the Fairway on the Par 5's is worth a skin. We are playing the famous Z-hole (#16 at Brandywine in Ohio). He hits his drive straight about 200. I hit a drive that cuts around the corner somewhat. His drive went farther from the tee than mine, but I went further up the course than his, and am now closer to the hole. He tries to claim his drive was longer than mine, and he should get the skin. We had to get the club pro to rule in my favor to make it official.

You should be ashamed, longest drvie = farthest from tee, not closest to hole,

MNBridge
01-13-2004, 06:31 PM
no, if the wheel goes both ways, everything goes both ways.

Sure, I know that. But has anyone heard it, or played it the other way. I tried to tell him he was nuts, but he still to this day swears I made it up to steal half the pot.

Of course, we had a similar situation on the golf course. We play Long Drive in the Fairway on the Par 5's is worth a skin. We are playing the famous Z-hole (#16 at Brandywine in Ohio). He hits his drive straight about 200. I hit a drive that cuts around the corner somewhat. His drive went farther from the tee than mine, but I went further up the course than his, and am now closer to the hole. He tries to claim his drive was longer than mine, and he should get the skin. We had to get the club pro to rule in my favor to make it official.

You should be ashamed, longest drvie = farthest from tee, not closest to hole,

Sorry CR but Expunge is correct on this one. If you were playing closet to the hole that would be a different matter (and different game).

BTW 200 yards? Were you only using irons :)

MNBridge
01-13-2004, 06:35 PM
2 scarves in one night!!! -- In my previous 3 years of playing (probably average 10 hours per week (Some 40 some 0) -- I had gotten 1.

I got my first royal flush the other weekend in an 8 - 16 game. Dealt AK h
Flop Qh,Jh,x
Turn 10h

Made about $50 and got a scarf (Cantebury gives you a scarf for straight flushes)

Then about 4 hours later playing 15 - 30 get dealt
5c 6c on button.

Flop 7c, 8c, Kx
Turn 9d
River 9c

That one paid a little better and I got another scarf!!

During the evening I was up $1,100 and 2 scarves after only about 10 hours of play.

When I left I was down $600 but still had 2 scarves (I really played badly from hour 12 to hour 16 -- definetely need to learn to leave)

Westley
01-13-2004, 07:29 PM
5 best cards is a winner....

The other question that has come up once is... does a natuaral hand (one without wilds) beat a the same hand that has wilds? ie AAAKK natural vs. WAAKK?
Dealer should call this. Our standard is that your hand is what it is, except a natural royal flush beats anything. Five of a kind still beats any other straight flush.

Westley
01-13-2004, 07:34 PM
Sorry CR but Expunge is correct on this one. If you were playing closet to the hole that would be a different matter (and different game).

BTW 200 yards? Were you only using irons :)

Agreed that longest drive <> closest to hole. If you called closest to hole, that's the winner, if you called longest drive, that's the winner. Having an independent ref rule in your favor makes it his fault, not yours.

I assume that they were going 200 yards because of the shape of the hole.

Dr T Non-Fan
01-13-2004, 10:01 PM
Well, in terms of golf, longest drive is not the necessarily best drive, so you should not be having longest drive contests. Also, was he still in the fairway? In most longest drive contests:
1. It's a straight fairway; and
2. Only fairway shots are included.

Your Contest should be called, "Who's least away?" Or at least find a straight fairway.

abacustwo
01-14-2004, 12:58 AM
Your Contest should be called, "Who's least away?"

Also know as closest to the pin.

Dr T Non-Fan
01-14-2004, 01:14 AM
More like closest to the green. I'm unsure of the general rules of awayness, since I play more for speed than for leisure. I.e., if I get to my ball before you because I'm way nearer to the cart path, then I'm going.

I Pity the Fool
01-14-2004, 02:24 AM
This'll be something no one cares about at all, but I finally won my first sit and go $5 + .50 NL Hold'em tourney. :guitarwo:

My finishes so far: 9th, 8th, 8th, 4th, 4th, 4th, 2nd, 1st. Whoo, what talent! :P

Cynical Realist
01-14-2004, 10:41 AM
BTW 200 yards? Were you only using irons :)

The Famous Z-hole, is a "Z" shape. It is in the valley of some big wooded hills. From the Tee there is a flag in the middle of the fairway that is about 180 to 200, depending on where you tee-off. The fairway runs to the right at an 80 degree angle, maybe less, but your hitting out of a chute on the tee, so you can't hit further up the fairway to the right without bring the hill loaded with trees and underbrush. If you slice you probably won't get around the corner, and have a lost ball. There is also a creek that parallels the fairway on the left, so you don't want to go too far.

I sliced or faded one around the corner a bit. My shot was a good 40 yards further up the fairway or closer to the hole, but his was further from the tee. Both were in the fairway.

The hole turns back to the right for about 50 yards at the end to the green, protected by the creek on the left, so you can't cut the corner on your 2nd shot either.

OK, not an ideal hole to play a Long Drive contest, but when you are playing in the family skin game, anything that raises more controversy is all in good fun.

Cynical Realist
01-14-2004, 10:46 AM
When I left I was down $600 but still had 2 scarves

Congratulations on the scarves, but they sound a bit expensive. Kind of reminds me of all the $25 and $50 tee shirts I got in Las Vegas on a Super Bowl weekend several years back. They were free with a certain size bet, I just didn't expect to cost that much in the long run. Lost a good chunk when Scott Norwood missed the FG to win with the Bills, it kept the game from going over, and filling some of my parlays.

MNBridge
01-14-2004, 11:08 AM
BTW 200 yards? Were you only using irons :)

The Famous Z-hole, is a "Z" shape. It is in the valley of some big wooded hills. From the Tee there is a flag in the middle of the fairway that is about 180 to 200, depending on where you tee-off. The fairway runs to the right at an 80 degree angle, maybe less, but your hitting out of a chute on the tee, so you can't hit further up the fairway to the right without bring the hill loaded with trees and underbrush. If you slice you probably won't get around the corner, and have a lost ball. There is also a creek that parallels the fairway on the left, so you don't want to go too far.

I sliced or faded one around the corner a bit. My shot was a good 40 yards further up the fairway or closer to the hole, but his was further from the tee. Both were in the fairway.

The hole turns back to the right for about 50 yards at the end to the green, protected by the creek on the left, so you can't cut the corner on your 2nd shot either.



Sounds like a course Zab and JT would love.

foghorn
01-14-2004, 11:17 AM
This'll be something no one cares about at all, but I finally won my first sit and go $5 + .50 NL Hold'em tourney. :guitarwo:

My finishes so far: 9th, 8th, 8th, 4th, 4th, 4th, 2nd, 1st. Whoo, what talent! :P

Congrats!

That wasn't me you beat was it? I got another 2nd last night.

Bama Gambler
01-14-2004, 11:24 AM
This'll be something no one cares about at all, but I finally won my first sit and go $5 + .50 NL Hold'em tourney. :guitarwo:

My finishes so far: 9th, 8th, 8th, 4th, 4th, 4th, 2nd, 1st. Whoo, what talent! :PCongrats. You are headed in the right direction.

Happy Extinction
01-14-2004, 11:37 AM
2 scarves in one night!!! -- In my previous 3 years of playing (probably average 10 hours per week (Some 40 some 0) -- I had gotten 1.

I got my first royal flush the other weekend in an 8 - 16 game. Dealt AK h
Flop Qh,Jh,x
Turn 10h

Made about $50 and got a scarf (Cantebury gives you a scarf for straight flushes)



Is this an actual scarf? Do you then wear it when you play as a badge of honor?

scooter
01-14-2004, 11:44 AM
Can anyone else comment about my original question as to how many cards are usually allowed to make up a poker hand. I need more than a sample of 2.

Then, feel free to go back to talking about golf and hold 'em.

Thanks

Grits N Gravy
01-14-2004, 11:56 AM
Can anyone else comment about my original question as to how many cards are usually allowed to make up a poker hand. I need more than a sample of 2.

Then, feel free to go back to talking about golf and hold 'em.

Thanks

Definitely five. How many wild cards did you have when it came down to five eights vs. six sevens?

Voter
01-14-2004, 12:03 PM
Can anyone else comment about my original question as to how many cards are usually allowed to make up a poker hand. I need more than a sample of 2.

Then, feel free to go back to talking about golf and hold 'em.

Thanks
Five cards. Sixth and seventh are meaningless. There is no such thing as 'six sevens.' The hand is five sevens, and is beaten by five eights.

If wheel is low, 2-6 should also be a low hand.

Gandalf
01-14-2004, 12:07 PM
I know little about poker, but definitely the hand that counts is only 5 cards, even if that means 5 out of 7.

Hummer
01-14-2004, 12:25 PM
This'll be something no one cares about at all, but I finally won my first sit and go $5 + .50 NL Hold'em tourney. :guitarwo:

My finishes so far: 9th, 8th, 8th, 4th, 4th, 4th, 2nd, 1st. Whoo, what talent! :P

Great job. The first win is the toughest... then it's the second one...

Bama Gambler
01-14-2004, 12:27 PM
Best five card hand wins.

Expunge
01-14-2004, 12:30 PM
If you're playing more than 5 cards where does 3 pair rank?

Bama Gambler
01-14-2004, 12:32 PM
If you're playing more than 5 cards where does 3 pair rank?3 pair = 2 pair

Expunge
01-14-2004, 12:35 PM
that's if your playing high 5 cards (also known as the correct way)

scooter
01-14-2004, 01:14 PM
Thanks for the responses everyone. Just so you know, I had the five 8's and lost to the six 7's. I also lost a pot with an 8 high straight to another 8 high straight as my next highest card was a J and the other person's was a K.

I was playing with my husband, his uncle and two cousins of my husbnand, and they were basically laughing at me for trying to claim that I won on five 8's and that I wanted half the pot on the 8 high straight. Of course, this was just a friendly game, and had very low stakes (3 raises, max raise of 25 cents)

I agree that at a game you can make whatever rules you want, as long as everyone knows them and agrees to them. As nothing was stated at the beginning, I assumed we were playing under "normal" rules. Our debate became one of what were normal rules. Apparently interpretation was different than theirs (probably because I was a female and taking their money), but similar to most of yours.



Definitely five. How many wild cards did you have when it came down to five eights vs. six sevens?

Don't quite remember that. It probably was 777WWW for the 7's and either 88WWW or 888WWW for the 8's

Thanks Again

Gandalf
01-14-2004, 01:19 PM
If you're playing more than 5 cards where does 3 pair rank?3 pair = 2 pair

Usually, 3 pair beat 2 pair. E.g., a hand that contains the pair 2d,2h and the pair 2h,2s and the pair 2s,2d beats hands containing only the pairs Ad,Ah and Kd,Kh. I believe such possibilities are the only way to get 3 pair in poker.

I would give the win to the player with two pair if the two he cited were Ks,Kh and Kd,Kc.

Gandalf
01-14-2004, 01:25 PM
Now for a serious question instead of that silly post, suppose a player were to fail to declare the hand to best advantage. 5-cards, nothing wild, (thus no choices were involved) Player A shows 5c,6d,8h,7s,9c and says "9 high". Player B shows and claims (correctly), "J high". If Player C then says "A beats B", who wins?

Grits N Gravy
01-14-2004, 01:33 PM
Now for a serious question instead of that silly post, suppose a player were to fail to declare the hand to best advantage. 5-cards, nothing wild, (thus no choices were involved) Player A shows 5c,6d,8h,7s,9c and says "9 high". Player B shows and claims (correctly), "J high". If Player C then says "A beats B", who wins?

At the game I normally play in, house rules are to call your own hand. I think normal casino policy is "cards speak", so if you have the best hand, you win, even if you don't read it correctly. If the dealer doesn't catch that you misread it and your cards hit the muck, you're S.O.L. though.

FSAme
01-14-2004, 01:35 PM
Now for a serious question instead of that silly post, suppose a player were to fail to declare the hand to best advantage. 5-cards, nothing wild, (thus no choices were involved) Player A shows 5c,6d,8h,7s,9c and says "9 high". Player B shows and claims (correctly), "J high". If Player C then says "A beats B", who wins?

The way we play our weekly game, B would win if we were playing 5 card or 7 card stud/draw. Each player has to state their hand.

But, in hold'em, the best hand would win, no one is required to say what they have.

Dr T Non-Fan
01-14-2004, 01:37 PM
Can anyone else comment about my original question as to how many cards are usually allowed to make up a poker hand. I need more than a sample of 2.

Then, feel free to go back to talking about golf and hold 'em.

Thanks

How many people have to tell you before you believe it?

scooter
01-14-2004, 01:43 PM
Only one, as I am in agreement with the first responder. My husband and the other men I was playing with will claim 2 is not a credible sample and that they are still right.

Although, I could have 100 responses in my favor and none in theirs and they will still claim that they are right.

Grits N Gravy
01-14-2004, 02:00 PM
Only one, as I am in agreement with the first responder. My husband and the other men I was playing with will claim 2 is not a credible sample and that they are still right.

Although, I could have 100 responses in my favor and none in theirs and they will still claim that they are right.

Perhaps a copy of "According to Hoyle" would be a wise investment.

Cynical Realist
01-14-2004, 02:26 PM
Only one, as I am in agreement with the first responder. My husband and the other men I was playing with will claim 2 is not a credible sample and that they are still right.

I guess you better bookmark this thread for the next poker game. Maybe they were yanking your chain, because anybody that knows anything would agree with you. The reason not more than 2 answered initially is because nobody disagreed with the first two answers, since it is such an obvious answer.

Next time they ask you to play poker, tell the "ladies" they should stick to playing Canasta, since they are clueless on the rules of poker, and you'll wait til some real men show up for a poker game. Playing for quarters is high enough stakes to at least know the rules.

Dr T Non-Fan
01-14-2004, 02:27 PM
Only one, as I am in agreement with the first responder. My husband and the other men I was playing with will claim 2 is not a credible sample and that they are still right.

Although, I could have 100 responses in my favor and none in theirs and they will still claim that they are right.

Fair enough. It is not you who is irrational. I apologize for thinking it.

I don't think you'll get 100+ responses. I'll go with Hoyle. Even its PC games split the pot for best-five ties. You should offer it up as a mediator and final word.

Dr T Non-Fan
01-14-2004, 02:35 PM
I know people who think that a spade flush is higher than a heart flush, due to their bridge background. Or at a stud middle round of betting: "Oh, Jim has the spade ace, so he bets first." What a crock.

Bama Gambler
01-14-2004, 02:49 PM
Actually in a split pot the odd chips is given to the highest spade.

FSAme
01-14-2004, 02:56 PM
I don't play omaha, but is a 2-6 straight really ever considered a low hand? If you look at hand rankings, it looks pretty high to me.

striaght flush
4oak
fullboat
flush
straight
trips
2pair
pair
highcard

Bama Gambler
01-14-2004, 03:00 PM
They are talking about Omaha Hi/Lo where the low and high hand split the pot. High is determined as usual, low is as follows (in order from best to worst):

A2345
A2346
A2356
....
45678

You must have 5 cards eight or lower to qualify for low. If no one qualifies for low the high hand get the whole pot.

Side note, since in omaha you HAVE to play three from the board and two from you hand, there must be at least three cards 8 or lower for a low hand to be possible.

Expunge
01-14-2004, 03:00 PM
its an issue with all low's, can you claim a straight isn't a straight and have a hand as bad as 5 high? (assuming you allow ace to be low)

I don't really agree with the A-5 Wheel being high and low, to me if you want the ace to play high and low the nut low should be 6432Ao but casinos and online sites disregard the straight. to me if you disregard the straight you should be bale to disregard pairs and thus have a low of 2AAAA (assuming no wilds)

Bama Gambler
01-14-2004, 03:04 PM
I don't really agree with the A-5 Wheel being high and low, to me if you want the ace to play high and low the nut low should be 6432Ao but casinos and online sites disregard the straight. to me if you disregard the straight you should be bale to disregard pairs and thus have a low of 2AAAA (assuming no wilds)I don't understand your logic. When you play an A for your low A2345 and your high A2345, the Ace is playing only one way - low. You have two hands (one high, one low), but the ace is only playing low. Make sense?

Expunge
01-14-2004, 03:12 PM
Im fairly happy with A2345 in a high only game it beats 87643. so then why isn't 87643 the better hand when playing low only.

The only side not is by allowing a to be high or low now you have A2346 vs 23458. I have the high ace in the high only game and a low ace in a low only game and therefore can win, (by virtue of the special option of the ace).

I just don't like how the dumb down the the low hands allowing people to overlook both straights and flushes. It almost seems like this origin came from a poor rule by some golf pro and has been this way ever since.

Expunge
01-14-2004, 03:15 PM
Lets see if i can further explain...

i have A2345 but i'm playing low only so therefore i don't want to declare it as a straight which ranks above three of a kind. so why can't i just not declare 22233 as a full house which ranks above a straight, and a flush, and instead call it a high card 3?

Expunge
01-14-2004, 03:19 PM
Now for a serious question instead of that silly post, suppose a player were to fail to declare the hand to best advantage. 5-cards, nothing wild, (thus no choices were involved) Player A shows 5c,6d,8h,7s,9c and says "9 high". Player B shows and claims (correctly), "J high". If Player C then says "A beats B", who wins?

The way we play our weekly game, B would win if we were playing 5 card or 7 card stud/draw. Each player has to state their hand.

But, in hold'em, the best hand would win, no one is required to say what they have.

to me cards speak. otherwise just turn over your cards without saying a word. if you have the highest hand speak up if they try to give the pot to someone else. while the cards are still infront of you you should have as many opportunities as you want to declare a higher hand that you just noticed.

Bama Gambler
01-14-2004, 03:20 PM
Don't quote me on this but....

The low in Hi/Low comes from Lowball. In lowball the object was to get the lowest un-paired hand. When comparing two hands you simply started with the highest card and worked your way back.

scooter
01-14-2004, 03:22 PM
Next time they ask you to play poker, tell the "ladies" they should stick to playing Canasta, since they are clueless on the rules of poker, and you'll wait til some real men show up for a poker game. Playing for quarters is high enough stakes to at least know the rules.

I like this answer.

DTNF, I didn't expect to get 100 reponses, just a little more than 2 to convince them. By getting responses here I also get a more geographic diverse answer, to ensure that the way I was playing was not some "local norm" from where I grew up. In the end, they are the ones with the unusaul "local norm". Thanks again to those who responded.

foghorn
01-14-2004, 03:24 PM
Actually in a split pot the odd chips is given to the highest spade.

I wondered about that. Thanks.

How about if neither has spades?

Bama Gambler
01-14-2004, 03:27 PM
Actually in a split pot the odd chips is given to the highest spade.

I wondered about that. Thanks.

How about if neither has spades?Good question. I'm not sure. BTW, if there is an odd chips and the pot is split between a low hand and a high hand, the high hand gets the odd chip period.

Dr T Non-Fan
01-14-2004, 03:29 PM
DTNF, I didn't expect to get 100 reponses, just a little more than 2 to convince them. By getting responses here I also get a more geographic diverse answer, to ensure that the way I was playing was not some "local norm" from where I grew up. In the end, they are the ones with the unusual "local norm". Thanks again to those who responded.
Yeah, those terms will go over well.
I like the "ladies" comment as well. Blow cigar smoke in their face while you say it, too.

scooter
01-14-2004, 03:30 PM
Actually in a split pot the odd chips is given to the highest spade.

I wondered about that. Thanks.

How about if neither has spades?

We usually leave the extra chip in the pot for the next hand if there is no spade

Grits N Gravy
01-14-2004, 03:33 PM
I know people who think that a spade flush is higher than a heart flush, due to their bridge background. Or at a stud middle round of betting: "Oh, Jim has the spade ace, so he bets first." What a crock.

The suits also come into play when you have a bring-in bet for stud, so if there is more than one of the lowest card on the board after the intial deal, the one with the lowest suit has to make the initial bet to start the action. In our home game, we just have everyone ante and high card leads out, so it isn't an issue.

scooter
01-14-2004, 03:52 PM
DTNF, I didn't expect to get 100 reponses, just a little more than 2 to convince them. By getting responses here I also get a more geographic diverse answer, to ensure that the way I was playing was not some "local norm" from where I grew up. In the end, they are the ones with the unusual "local norm". Thanks again to those who responded.
Yeah, those terms will go over well.
I like the "ladies" comment as well. Blow cigar smoke in their face while you say it, too.

I guess I need to give some background here. We live in the city where my husband, and the other poker players, grew up. I grew up in a small farming community of about 800 people. Anytime I do anything different than them, even outside of poker, they joke that I am following some small town "local norm" and that "they don't do things that way in the big city". They followup it up by telling me to go tip some more cows. Cow tipping, now that's some fun.

Expunge
01-14-2004, 04:27 PM
DTNF, I didn't expect to get 100 reponses, just a little more than 2 to convince them. By getting responses here I also get a more geographic diverse answer, to ensure that the way I was playing was not some "local norm" from where I grew up. In the end, they are the ones with the unusual "local norm". Thanks again to those who responded.
Yeah, those terms will go over well.
I like the "ladies" comment as well. Blow cigar smoke in their face while you say it, too.

I guess I need to give some background here. We live in the city where my husband, and the other poker players, grew up. I grew up in a small farming community of about 800 people. Anytime I do anything different than them, even outside of poker, they joke that I am following some small town "local norm" and that "they don't do things that way in the big city". They followup it up by telling me to go tip some more cows. Cow tipping, now that's some fun.

< do not take the following seriously >
Leave your husband and find a normal person, preferable not from the same red neck big city.
< /do not take the following seriously >

MNBridge
01-14-2004, 05:30 PM
Actually in a split pot the odd chips is given to the highest spade.

I wondered about that. Thanks.

How about if neither has spades?Good question. I'm not sure. BTW, if there is an odd chips and the pot is split between a low hand and a high hand, the high hand gets the odd chip period.

In a split pot the high hand gets the odd chip if there is a tie for high or low hand then:
the extra chip goes to the player in worst position.

As far as I know most (I thought all) card rooms do this.

def. worst position = The player who has to act first in a round of betting. (In Texas or Hold em this is easy).

In 7 card stud where the action does not start in the same spot I think (am not sure) that there is a dealer button and that it is still the person closet to the left of the button (not on).

Dr T Non-Fan
01-14-2004, 05:32 PM
So, they're just joshing with you. You got to give it back, just as hard.

Cynical Realist
01-14-2004, 06:08 PM
Scooter - I think some of us may be giving you a hard time because we consider the Rules of Poker to be a serious thing, and if your hubby and the Local Yokels are clueless they are defaming the game. So on the one hand, you should rest assured that you were absolutely right in both hands you described, but you have to consider the other hand.

Poker exists for smarter, better players to pick the pockets of more foolish players with them thinking it is all a game of luck, and they had a bad run of cards. If you are able to win easily, and consistently against their fool hardy play, letting them steal a tied hand, or a few others with some absurd local custom rule, is not a bad thing as long as they keep coming back and making donations. The worst thing to do is to have some blow up that ends this cash cow forever. While they may make a dent in what you are entitled to once in awhile, keeping them clueless, and still playing, and donating money is the most important thing in the long run. I'm sure we can all agree on that.

scooter
01-14-2004, 06:37 PM
Scooter - I think some of us may be giving you a hard time because we consider the Rules of Poker to be a serious thing, and if your hubby and the Local Yokels are clueless they are defaming the game. So on the one hand, you should rest assured that you were absolutely right in both hands you described, but you have to consider the other hand.

Poker exists for smarter, better players to pick the pockets of more foolish players with them thinking it is all a game of luck, and they had a bad run of cards. If you are able to win easily, and consistently against their fool hardy play, letting them steal a tied hand, or a few others with some absurd local custom rule, is not a bad thing as long as they keep coming back and making donations. The worst thing to do is to have some blow up that ends this cash cow forever. While they may make a dent in what you are entitled to once in awhile, keeping them clueless, and still playing, and donating money is the most important thing in the long run. I'm sure we can all agree on that.

I agree with everything you say here. I just want to make it clear that this was just a fun game between family at get together. None of us are regular high stakes poker players and none of us have played in vegas. I was looking for support of my position merely for bragging rights amongst the family.

On the other hand, if I do decide down the road that I would like to make a living playing poker, I may put some of your suggestions to use.