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FourKicks
06-27-2011, 03:52 PM
got my score report. did a point analysis.

low range: 28.75 (70.55%)
high range: 29.25 (71.77%)

fml.

eta: this is for exam 5A.

snoo
06-27-2011, 04:11 PM
got my score report. did a point analysis.

low range: 28.75 (70.55%)
high range: 29.25 (71.77%)

fml.

That is one heck of a narrow range! I should probably know this, but I don't, what's fml?

doop
06-27-2011, 04:18 PM
That is one heck of a narrow range! I should probably know this, but I don't, what's fml?

F my life

FourKicks
06-27-2011, 04:20 PM
That is one heck of a narrow range! I should probably know this, but I don't, what's fml?

out of 20 questions, i got twelve 100%'s and three 0%'s. the remaining five questions i was able to pin down within half a point.

Aw Yeah
06-27-2011, 04:21 PM
is that a fail

Aw Yeah
06-27-2011, 04:22 PM
i mean i assume it is based on the FML

Aw Yeah
06-27-2011, 04:22 PM
so yeah sorry dude. im expecting about the same thing to come through.

FourKicks
06-27-2011, 04:23 PM
is that a fail

oh yes.

so pass mark is at least 29 (71.2%) for 5A.

snoo
06-27-2011, 04:25 PM
FourKicks,

That really sucks, sorry to hear...

Vorian Atreides
06-27-2011, 05:26 PM
oh yes.

so pass mark is at least 29 (71.2%) for 5A.
Could you edit the OP to include that it's for 5A?

That way, others won't think that it's for the entire 5 or 5B (which might have a slightly different range of points).

Aw Yeah
06-27-2011, 05:34 PM
and i assume you got a 5?

FourKicks
06-27-2011, 05:51 PM
and i assume you got a 5?

yeah. so actually we can narrow it down further: pass mark is in the range [29, 31.75]. though realistically i can't imagine it's higher than 30.

Bobby
06-27-2011, 08:55 PM
I would think that the ranges wouldn't be too large for this exam, since the material is basic and so there isn't too much room for interpretation.

FK got the harshest fail that you can get I believe. Just above 70%. I would've thought that was a pass. Looks like pass mark was probably in the 73%-75% range.

I believe I read once on here that 5's and 6's are by far the most common scores on exams.

ETA, here is a quote supporting this:Years ago, I was told (by an SOA Part chairman) that 5's and 6's combined were generally about 2/3 of the papers with scores of 1 to 10, and that the 5 and 6 groups were similar in size.

JasonScandopolous
06-27-2011, 09:06 PM
yeah. so actually we can narrow it down further: pass mark is in the range [29, 31.75]. though realistically i can't imagine it's higher than 30.

Your range equates to a passing % of 71.1% - 77.9%... probably close to the middle, our assumed 74-75% pass %.

actuarialista
06-27-2011, 10:25 PM
Full 5. Grade = 5. Range is 47.75 to 64.3125, which is 60% to 81%. If I round up to next 0.25, min becomes 49.25, which is 62%.

PeteBrubeck
06-27-2011, 10:40 PM
I would think that the ranges wouldn't be too large for this exam, since the material is basic and so there isn't too much room for interpretation.

FK got the harshest fail that you can get I believe. Just above 70%. I would've thought that was a pass. Looks like pass mark was probably in the 73%-75% range.

I believe I read once on here that 5's and 6's are by far the most common scores on exams.

ETA, here is a quote supporting this:


I was very surprised to fail. I had never felt more prepared for an exam. I knew the material well and got 90%-ish on the practice exams (timed). but i ran out of time on the exam, choked, and got an exam score range of 69% - 82%. the mid-range of that is 75%! i still can't believe i failed even after getting my score back in the mail. that was a high pass mark. guess I'll just have to study that much harder next year...

actuarialista
06-27-2011, 10:48 PM
I was very surprised to fail. I had never felt more prepared for an exam. I knew the material well and got 90%-ish on the practice exams (timed). but i ran out of time on the exam, choked, and got an exam score range of 69% - 82%. the mid-range of that is 75%! i still can't believe i failed even after getting my score back in the mail. that was a high pass mark. guess I'll just have to study that much harder next year...

Wow, that is a high minimum. Yucky exams.

FourKicks
06-28-2011, 12:53 AM
I was very surprised to fail. I had never felt more prepared for an exam. I knew the material well and got 90%-ish on the practice exams (timed). but i ran out of time on the exam, choked, and got an exam score range of 69% - 82%. the mid-range of that is 75%! i still can't believe i failed even after getting my score back in the mail. that was a high pass mark. guess I'll just have to study that much harder next year...

welcome to the uppers.

Vorian Atreides
06-28-2011, 10:08 AM
I was very surprised to fail. I had never felt more prepared for an exam. I knew the material well and got 90%-ish on the practice exams (timed). but i ran out of time on the exam, choked, and got an exam score range of 69% - 82%. the mid-range of that is 75%! i still can't believe i failed even after getting my score back in the mail. that was a high pass mark. guess I'll just have to study that much harder next year...
Mid-point of range isn't necessarily a good point estimate in this case.

Knowing that you did not pass increases the probability that you scored in the lower end of the range.

Assuming uniform distribution, the first quartile (72.25%) is a far more likely result in this case.

stone402
06-28-2011, 11:53 AM
5A: 5
score range: 66% to 83%
I got 75-99% on 14 points. could pass it if I did not make minor mistakes on these questions. Can't help noticing that the raw/mean for question 1 is 00-24% which is what I got. Got the manual in the middle of the test and did not have time go back to it.

FourKicks
06-28-2011, 12:27 PM
Got the manual in the middle of the test and did not have time go back to it.

same scenario played out at my exam center. i thought based on this fact alone the question would be tossed or treated as extra credit, but that does not appear to be the case. perhaps they lowered the pass mark to account for their blunder, but there's no way to tell. i've considering appealing but since they're already aware of the issue i can't see an appeal being successful.

Vorian Atreides
06-28-2011, 03:50 PM
Thought I add my bit for 5B . . . I scored a 5 (:swear:) with the following range:

19.75 -- 26.25.

Assuming I scored at the max of the range ==> pass mark for 5B no greater than 29 points (74%).

Based on OP's post, pass mark is most likely set at 72-73%.

CASActuarialAnalyst
06-28-2011, 08:40 PM
Do they grade by 1/4 points or 1/8 points? For example, if my range on a 3 pt problem is 75%-99%, is the possible range [2.25,2.75] or [2.25,2.875] ??

JasonScandopolous
06-28-2011, 09:14 PM
Do they grade by 1/4 points or 1/8 points? For example, if my range on a 3 pt problem is 75%-99%, is the possible range [2.25,2.75] or [2.25,2.875] ??

I think it works like this: two graders grade your paper in 1/4 point increments. They average their scores for each question, resulting in 1/8 point increments. If that raw score gives you a 5 or a 6 (which is apparently roughly 2/3rds of the papers), the two of them will go over each question where they graded differently and agree on a score; this new agreed upon score will be in 1/4 increments. Your score is then re-calculated.

CASActuarialAnalyst
06-29-2011, 03:23 AM
I think it works like this: two graders grade your paper in 1/4 point increments. They average their scores for each question, resulting in 1/8 point increments. If that raw score gives you a 5 or a 6 (which is apparently roughly 2/3rds of the papers), the two of them will go over each question where they graded differently and agree on a score; this new agreed upon score will be in 1/4 increments. Your score is then re-calculated.

Thank you. So, if I assume 1/4 point increments my minimum score on 5A is 29.75 (73%) and I got a 5. So close :(

sunmoon18
06-29-2011, 11:33 AM
I was very surprised to fail. I had never felt more prepared for an exam. I knew the material well and got 90%-ish on the practice exams (timed). but i ran out of time on the exam, choked, and got an exam score range of 69% - 82%. the mid-range of that is 75%! i still can't believe i failed even after getting my score back in the mail. that was a high pass mark. guess I'll just have to study that much harder next year...

I feel EXACTLY the same way...

ThePerfectGame
06-29-2011, 04:55 PM
Another data point for a 5B score of 5:

[19.75, 27.00]

Given how extensively it was tested (~30% of the exam, IIRC), you'd think the Exam Committee would have been a little more generous in awarding points for a candidate's ability to divide several pairs of 6-digit numbers and then calculate an average of the results. Oh well, here's hoping for an extremely generous appeals season I guess...

SMMBB
07-12-2011, 02:56 PM
here's hoping for an extremely generous appeals season I guess...

Don't get your hopes too high... Appeals seasons do not have a reputation for generosity.

On the other hand, it won't hurt to try as long as you have the right attitude (i.e. file-and-forget).