The end of White America

[The Left]

Written by Pat Buchanan.
John Hope Franklin, the famed black historian at Duke University, once told the incoming freshmen, "The new America in the 21st century will be primarily non-white, a place George Washington would not recognize."

In his June 1998 commencement address at Portland State, President Clinton affirmed it: "In a little more than 50 years, there will be no majority race in the United States." The graduates cheered.

The Census Bureau has now fixed at 2041 the year when whites become a minority in a country where the Founding Fathers had restricted citizenship to "free white persons" of "good moral character."

With publication today of "Suicide of a Superpower: Will America Survive to 2025?" this writer takes up what this portends. And while many on the left are enthusiastic about relegating the America of Eisenhower and JFK to a reactionary past, I concur with the late Clare Boothe Luce.

In this world, she said, there are optimists and pessimists.

"The pessimists are better informed."

What are the seemingly inevitable consequences of an America where whites are a shrinking minority?

First, the end of a national Republican Party that routinely gets 90 percent of its presidential votes from white America.

California is the harbinger of what is to come.

Carried by Richard Nixon in all five presidential elections when he was on the ticket and by Ronald Reagan all four times he ran, California, where whites are now a shrinking minority, is a state where the GOP faces extinction. John McCain's share of the California vote was down to the Barry Goldwater level of 1964.

When Texas, where two-thirds of the newborns and half the schoolchildren are Hispanic, goes the way of California, it is the end for the GOP. Arizona, Colorado and Nevada, also critical to any victorious GOP coalition, are Hispanicizing as rapidly as Texas.

In every presidential election since Bush I in 1992, Hispanics have given 60-70 percent of their votes to the Democratic ticket.

For Hispanics, largely poor and working class, are beneficiaries of a cornucopia of government goods -- from free education to food stamps to free health care. Few pay federal income taxes.

Why would they not vote for the Party of Government?

Second, the economic crisis of California, brought on by an outflow of taxpayers and a huge influx of tax consumers -- i.e., millions of immigrants, legal and illegal -- will be mirrored nationally.

For though the majority of immigrants and illegals comes to work, and work hard, most now come from Third World countries and do not bring the academic or professional skills of European-Americans.

Third, the decline in academic test scores here at home and in international competition is likely to continue, as more and more of the children taking those tests will be African-American and Hispanic. For though we have spent trillions over four decades, we have failed to close the racial gap in education. White and Asian children continue to outscore black and Hispanic children.

Can the test-score gap be closed? With the Hispanic illegitimacy rate at 51 percent and the black rate having risen to 71 percent, how can their children conceivably arrive at school ready to compete?

Should this continue for three decades, what will it mean for America if Asians and whites occupy the knowledge-industry jobs, while scores of millions of black and Hispanic workers are relegated to low-paying service-sector jobs? Will that make for social tranquility?

Affirmative action is one answer. But this is already causing a severe backlash, and the reason is obvious.

When affirmative action was first imposed, whites outnumbered blacks nine to one. The burden of reverse discrimination on the white community was thus relatively light. Today, however, not only blacks, but Hispanics and women -- two-thirds of the entire population -- qualify for affirmative action in hiring and school admissions.

And the burden falls almost entirely on white males, who are one-third of the country but three-fourths of the dead and wounded coming back from Afghanistan.

Sociologist Robert Putnam, author of "Bowling Alone," has also found that the greater the racial and ethnic diversity in a community, the less social capital there is -- i.e., people in diverse settings are far less disposed to cooperate for social goals. They retreat into enclaves of their own kind.

Putnam found social capital at the lowest level he ever measured in Los Angeles, the most diverse community on earth. Yet, by 2042, the demography of every American city will approximate that of L.A.

What is happening to America is happening across the West.

Can Western civilization survive the passing of the European peoples whose ancestors created it and their replacement by Third World immigrants? Probably not, for the new arrivals seem uninterested in preserving the old culture they have found.

Those who hold the white race responsible for the mortal sins of mankind -- slavery, racism, imperialism, genocide -- may welcome its departure from history. Those who believe that the civilization that came out of Jerusalem, Athens, Rome and London to be the crowning achievement of mankind will mourn its passing.
http://townhall.com/columnists/patbuchanan/2011/10/18/ad_2041_--_end_of_white_america/page/full/

[TheGillotine]

"The new America in the 21st century will be primarily non-white, a place George Washington would not recognize."

I'm thinking ol' Georgy would have a difficult time recognizing hundred story buildings, planes flying all over the place, and cars, too.

[Dr T Non-Fan]

I guerss he can't propose any solutions, since they will be pretty farking harsh (nazi-ish), and maybe he'll want to be an advisor to some future president someday.

[ShebaPoe]

No other countries have freedom and individual liberty in their DNA, so to speak. Individual liberty may have flared up in ancient Greece, but the string that leads to modern day America started on the British Isles, roughly with the Magna Carta, and has continued with the English Civil War, Oliver Cromwell, the American Revolution and Constitution, the abolition of slavery and the Civil Rights act...all of which lead in a rough line to the country with more immigrants than all the others on earth combined: this one.

Latin American countries were heavily influenced by Spanish Catholics, where there is no long history of a struggle for freedom. Individual liberty is not in their heritage, and perhaps not coincidentally, Latin American countries are almost without exception shit holes. It is not trivial that Americans just about never emigrate to move to those countries...but their residents come here in much much larger numbers.

It's not clear how immigrants with no history or frame of reference for individual liberty or the "rugged individualism" that made this country what it is are a net positive. When access to government benefits is made easy for them, it is clear that the idea of individual liberty will never take hold, and as they become the majority over time, it doesn't work.

There aren't really solutions. Empires rise and fall.

[TheGillotine]

I'm continually amazed at the open racism being exhibited here. Where's the outrage against the Catholic Irish, Italians, or the non-English Germans and Jews?

[llcooljabe]

So america cannot survive without whites? Is that what Patty is saying?

[FashionableFedora]

No other countries have freedom and individual liberty in their DNA, so to speak. Individual liberty may have flared up in ancient Greece, but the string that leads to modern day America started on the British Isles, roughly with the Magna Carta, and has continued with the English Civil War, Oliver Cromwell, the American Revolution and Constitution, the abolition of slavery and the Civil Rights act...all of which lead in a rough line to the country with more immigrants than all the others on earth combined: this one.

Latin American countries were heavily influenced by Spanish Catholics, where there is no long history of a struggle for freedom. Individual liberty is not in their heritage, and perhaps not coincidentally, Latin American countries are almost without exception shit holes. It is not trivial that Americans just about never emigrate to move to those countries...but their residents come here in much much larger numbers.

It's not clear how immigrants with no history or frame of reference for individual liberty or the "rugged individualism" that made this country what it is are a net positive. When access to government benefits is made easy for them, it is clear that the idea of individual liberty will never take hold, and as they become the majority over time, it doesn't work.

Your understanding of history is considerably lacking.

1) the tradition of English liberties is much older than the Magna Carta.
2) America was pretty much the last nation on earth to end slavery.
3) the characterization of American history as "rugged individualism" is naive, to put it mildly.

Aside from that though, your thesis that immigrants come here to take advantage of the capitalist system and its resultant opportunity is partially correct, and has been partially correct throughout American history. What has not been established is whether Latin Americans are truly less adaptable to the capitalist system than the European immigrants of bygone days. We are familiar with a handful of immigrants who became successful entrepreneurs, sure, but the vast majority of them were poor laborers, just like most Latin immigrants are now. The Latins have their entrepreneurs, too. So I come back to the question: is there evidence that the commercial behavior of Latin Americans is substantially different from that of European descendants?

[The Left]

So america cannot survive without whites? Is that what Patty is saying?

Specifically white males.

[Academic Actuary]

[QUOTE= more immigrants than all the others on earth combined: this one.



Did you just make that up or do you have some supporting evidence?

[tenthring]

I'm continually amazed at the open racism being exhibited here. Where's the outrage against the Catholic Irish, Italians, or the non-English Germans and Jews?

I'm from Irish ancestors. My ancestors came over because one of them killed a black and tan (british secret police that terrorized ireland) and had to escape reprisal. All of the groups you talk about were white europeans that shared roughly similair core cultural traits and values. There was strife, as there is whenever there is mass immigration, but ultimately everyone realized they were all white christians and more of less the same. Even so immigration for my people was shut down in the 191Xs because of the effect it was having on the country, followed by 70 years of low immigration and strong enforcement.

Its also worth noting the economic differences during the last wave of mass migration 100 years ago. There was no welfare state, and there was a vast developing region throughout the west. Most new labor requirements at the time were of a physical nature, and anyone with a strong back could contribute regardless of IQ, background, etc. This is very different from a modern settled country with a welfare state and an economy that is really only short on high IQ creative types.

[TheGillotine]

I'm from Irish ancestors. My ancestors came over because one of them killed a black and tan (british secret police that terrorized ireland) and had to escape reprisal. All of the groups you talk about were white europeans that shared roughly similair core cultural traits and values. There was strife, as there is whenever there is mass immigration, but ultimately everyone realized they were all white christians and more of less the same. Even so immigration for my people was shut down in the 191Xs because of the effect it was having on the country, followed by 70 years of low immigration and strong enforcement.

Its also worth noting the economic differences during the last wave of mass migration 100 years ago. There was no welfare state, and there was a vast developing region throughout the west. Most new labor requirements at the time were of a physical nature, and anyone with a strong back could contribute regardless of IQ, background, etc. This is very different from a modern settled country with a welfare state and an economy that is really only short on high IQ creative types.

Here I'm specifically criticizing the ridiculous traditionalist assertion that non-WASPs should be barred from citizenship because they "don't have freedom in their DNA".

[Academic Actuary]

[QUOTE= an economy that is really only short on high IQ creative types.[/QUOTE]

I'm sure the farmers in Alabama whose crops are rotting would disagree.

[Smart Actuary]

Just going to throw it out there: the more educated and affluent you get, the less babies you make. Pity.

[llcooljabe]

Just going to throw it out there: the more educated and affluent you get, the less babies you make. Pity.

Smart Actuary = TZK (http://www.actuarialoutpost.com/actuarial_discussion_forum/showthread.php?t=226545)? :tfh:

(I know, hfbb)

[dukelampard]

Just going to throw it out there: the more educated and affluent you get, the less babies you make. Pity.

Reminds me of the movie Idiocracy haha.

[yankeetripper]

I'm thinking ol' Georgy would have a difficult time recognizing hundred story buildings, planes flying all over the place, and cars, too.

Though he might have appreciated modern dentistry.

[homeys66]

Not as pessimistic, as alot of the same things could've been said about the Irish or whoever 100 years ago. Hispanics are steadily moving away from block Democrat voting. I think they used to vote 80% for Democrats. I suspect these are similar patterns seen in many immigrant communities as they progress.

Plus, Hispanic women are hot....gonna be alot of cross breeding of ethnicity. I'm game at least.

[ShebaPoe]

Your understanding of history is considerably lacking.

You might note that I sketched a rough outline, not a comprehensive thesis.


1) the tradition of English liberties is much older than the Magna Carta.

this only amplifies my point.


2) America was pretty much the last nation on earth to end slavery.


Slavery continues to exist on Earth. But not in America. America ended slavery approximately 150 years ago. It was an evil institution and it is gone in our country.


3) the characterization of American history as "rugged individualism" is naive, to put it mildly.


How would you describe the settlement of the West...well, west of the Mississippi, given the time period?



Aside from that though, your thesis that immigrants come here to take advantage of the capitalist system and its resultant opportunity is partially correct, and has been partially correct throughout American history. What has not been established is whether Latin Americans are truly less adaptable to the capitalist system than the European immigrants of bygone days.


No. But it is clear that the countries which they leave have dissimilar historical influences and far less history of individual liberty.



We are familiar with a handful of immigrants who became successful entrepreneurs, sure, but the vast majority of them were poor laborers, just like most Latin immigrants are now. The Latins have their entrepreneurs, too. So I come back to the question: is there evidence that the commercial behavior of Latin Americans is substantially different from that of European descendants?

Yes. The question is whether policy differences from a century ago vs. now are responsible for the low achievement of many immigrants.

[homeys66]

Slavery continues to exist on Earth. But not in America. America ended slavery approximately 150 years ago. It was an evil institution and it is gone in our country.


Boy, I keep hearing alot about sex slavery and such in other countries. Someone needs to send them the memo that only the US did stuff like that, until we joined the "civilized world".

[Andy The Clown]

Not as pessimistic, as alot of the same things could've been said about the Irish or whoever 100 years ago. Hispanics are steadily moving away from block Democrat voting. I think they used to vote 80% for Democrats. I suspect these are similar patterns seen in many immigrant communities as they progress.

Plus, Hispanic women are hot....gonna be alot of cross breeding of ethnicity. I'm game at least.

The ones that are hot will land you in jail. Most Mexican immigrants have a very short time at hot, and quickly go to short and stumpy.

If you go to Mexico that is different story.

[FormLetter]

Mexico has a healthy dose of short and stumpy too. Don't kid yourself. Bimbo Bear dominates all.

[ShebaPoe]

Did you just make that up or do you have some supporting evidence?

Here are some immigration stats:

http://www.migrationinformation.org/datahub/charts/5.1.shtml

You'll see that US immigration towers over the rest of the world. it isn't even close.

If you want to look country by country, you may do so here:

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/imm_imm_pop_num_of_imm-immigration-immigrant-population-number-immigrants

The country-by-country view has some unusual entrants. Some countries in the top 20 don't really belong there, such as Saudi Arabia and the UAE, where the seemingly large immigration numbers (combined almost 10 million) are really just mass immigration of near-slave workers who have no rights and no path to citizenship.

Immigration to the US dominates immigration to all other countries; we attract multiples, often large multiples, of what every other country attracts.

[homeys66]

re hot will land you in jail. Most Mexican immigrants have a very short time at hot, and quickly go to short and stumpy.


Having 8 kids by age 24 will wear on a girl. Anyway, the women on Univision look pretty good. I'll take short and stumpy illegal's daughter then.

[Academic Actuary]

Here are some immigration stats:

http://www.migrationinformation.org/datahub/charts/5.1.shtml

You'll see that US immigration towers over the rest of the world. it isn't even close.

If you want to look country by country, you may do so here:

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/imm_imm_pop_num_of_imm-immigration-immigrant-population-number-immigrants

The country-by-country view has some unusual entrants. Some countries in the top 20 don't really belong there, such as Saudi Arabia and the UAE, where the seemingly large immigration numbers (combined almost 10 million) are really just mass immigration of near-slave workers who have no rights and no path to citizenship.

Immigration to the US dominates immigration to all other countries; we attract multiples, often large multiples, of what every other country attracts.

Do you know how to add? You stated that the US total exceeds the combined total for the rest of the world. I didn't add the non US total precisely but it seems to be around 100,000,000.

[RazorGuns]

White people are EVIL!!! Thsi should be good thing lol.

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[ShebaPoe]

Do you know how to add? You stated that the US total exceeds the combined total for the rest of the world. I didn't add the non US total precisely but it seems to be around 100,000,000.

I'm not a math donkey; I leave that sort of commodity, low-level skill to people like you, or the Asians that will in time replace you for 1/9 the wage. I know how to exclude immigration to Arab countries (and among former USSR satellites), and do some critical thinking, and come to the conclusion that the current immigration policies in the US are a net negative.

[The Left]

I'm not a math donkey; I leave that sort of commodity, low-level skill to people like you, or the Asians that will in time replace you for 1/9 the wage. I know how to exclude immigration to Arab countries (and among former USSR satellites), and do some critical thinking, and come to the conclusion that the current immigration policies in the US are a net negative.

:lol:

[JohnLocke]

I'm not a math donkey; I leave that sort of commodity, low-level skill to people like you, or the Asians that will in time replace you for 1/9 the wage. I know how to exclude immigration to Arab countries (and among former USSR satellites), and do some critical thinking, and come to the conclusion that the current immigration policies in the US are a net negative.

classy

[erosewater]

You're all going to work for me eventually. Now hee haw and get me some fooking coffee, punk bitches

[Dr T Non-Fan]

Having 8 kids by age 24 will wear on a girl. Anyway, the women on Univision look pretty good. I'll take short and stumpy illegal's daughter then.
The women on Univision are replaced every few years, or months. Any one that is on longer is of supremely beautiful gene stock in the upper tail of the bell curve. I.e., that is not representative of every latina. Five minutes in East LA. will confirm that.

[Pseudolus]

So america cannot survive without whites? Is that what Patty is saying?

I don't speak for Patty B, but what I would say would go something like:

"America (qua America) cannot survive without certain cultural instincts and attitudes that originated in white Anglo-Euros who emigrated to this country a helluva long time ago. Those I&A can be internalized by people of any race, but this takes time - and some confidence on the part of the assimilating/acculturating nation. As the number of people in and entering the country increases, and as our own confidence in asserting that immigrants must gain those I&A decreases, the very qualities that make America such a special nation and that have drawn immigrants here begin to fade away."

[Academic Actuary]

I'm not a math donkey; I leave that sort of commodity, low-level skill to people like you, or the Asians that will in time replace you for 1/9 the wage. I know how to exclude immigration to Arab countries (and among former USSR satellites), and do some critical thinking, and come to the conclusion that the current immigration policies in the US are a net negative.

Exclude every country in the world except for western Europe, Canada, and Australia and the sum exceeds the U.S. total, but what do facts matter.

You are correct in that immigration has reduced the value of a mathematics professor, but not quite to the extent that you have describe. The reality is that math, science and engineering departments wouldn't be able to function without immigration. I'm also sure that many tech companies would have trouble meeting their needs. I'm sure that if we sealed the borders the market would adjust so that in a couple of decades we would produce enough docorates in technical fields.

[Smart Actuary]

Written by Pat Buchanan.
http://townhall.com/columnists/patbuchanan/2011/10/18/ad_2041_--_end_of_white_america/page/full/

I was going to seriously think and post a reply until I read the last line. Totally lost credibility after that for me.

[Smart Actuary]

Well, I'll reply seriously anyway.

I think that overall thus far America has benefited from immigration.

But I think that in recent times, the new comers have not adpopted the cultural values that have contributed to America's greatness.

This is very evident in the workplace. American worker, majority white, demonstrate a very high level of work ethic, irregardful of intelligence. Other countries whose residents ofetn emigrate to US, do not always have that same level of work ethic. There is a way that America works. If you call a tech support person in India or South America, you quickly realize how their system and work ethic is so different from ours.

To come to America, and stay in your own community and establish your own identity distinct from an American identity is suboptimal for America.

[The Left]

To come to America, and stay in your own community and establish your own identity distinct from an American identity is suboptimal for America.

This has "worked" for years, why wouldn't it now?

[Smart Actuary]

This has "worked" for years, why wouldn't it now?

It can work for smaller groups peripheral to community but it will be problematic when these groups are the community.

[Guerilla poster]

I don't speak for Patty B, but what I would say would go something like:

"America (qua America) cannot survive without certain cultural instincts and attitudes that originated in white Anglo-Euros who emigrated to this country a helluva long time ago. Those I&A can be internalized by people of any race, but this takes time - and some confidence on the part of the assimilating/acculturating nation. As the number of people in and entering the country increases, and as our own confidence in asserting that immigrants must gain those I&A decreases, the very qualities that make America such a special nation and that have drawn immigrants here begin to fade away."


Sometimes when I am in NYC, I wish the Germans had won the immigration war rather than the Italians. This is not a Jewish thing. This is an anti chaos thing. I like my orderly German processes. Not, my Italian, anything goes ways. Though, I like the Irish influence. Who doesn't like being able to get drunk at any hour of the day. Just kidding my Irish friends.

[The Left]

It can work for smaller groups peripheral to community but it will be problematic when these groups are the community.

So basically we need smaller minority groups and one large community block for America to be great?

[Smart Actuary]

So basically we need smaller minority groups and one large community block for America to be great?

If you want to bring your own values and culture from your countries, well they didnt work so well in your own countries, now did they. So you come here and try and establish those values that failed you in your own homelands. Its not hard to see what would happen.

There is a reason America is/was great and a large part of that was American values.

P.S. I am an immigrant.

[Pseudolus]

Just kidding my Irish friends.

Don't worry. They're not reading anyway. It's after 4 on a workday, so they're all either at Mass or are s-faced and brawling with each other. And/or, actually.

[erosewater]

Just kidding my Irish friends.

Bunch of gingers imo

[Dr T Non-Fan]

Sometimes when I am in NYC, I wish the Germans had won the immigration war rather than the Italians.
They did. But in the po'.

[Smart Actuary]

They did. But in the po'land.

fixeded

[Listeria]

Sometimes when I am in NYC, I wish the Germans had won the immigration war rather than the Italians. This is not a Jewish thing. This is an anti chaos thing. I like my orderly German processes. Not, my Italian, anything goes ways. Though, I like the Irish influence. Who doesn't like being able to get drunk at any hour of the day. Just kidding my Irish friends.
The last time I was in NYC, the subway and some mild chaos in my journey had me thinking sort of longingly or something about Switzerland. I haven't even ever been there.

[twig93]

Have only read this far:
First, the end of a national Republican Party that routinely gets 90 percent of its presidential votes from white America.

California is the harbinger of what is to come.

Carried by Richard Nixon in all five presidential elections when he was on the ticket and by Ronald Reagan all four times he ran, California, where whites are now a shrinking minority, is a state where the GOP faces extinction. John McCain's share of the California vote was down to the Barry Goldwater level of 1964.
Um... if the GOP in CA could come back after Barry Goldwater got such a small percentage of the vote and carry CA in 1968, 1972, 1980, and 1984 (four of the five elections following Goldwater's defeat)... why is it so difficult to think that another Republican could carry California after McCain's defeat?

I'll admit that it certainly doesn't look imminent, but to say that CA will *never* vote Republican again is idiotic. A Republican won a statewide race in CA in 2006... only five years ago for Pete's sake.

If B.O. wins in 2012, it's possible that Rice could run in 2016. She'd have a decent shot at carrying her home state in the general election if she could get herself the nomination. (There's 1001 reasons why this probably won't happen, but it's not so terribly absurd that anyone should state with confidence that CA will never vote for a Republican POTUS ever again.)

[Guerilla poster]

The last time I was in NYC, the subway and some mild chaos in my journey had me thinking sort of longingly or something about Switzerland. I haven't even ever been there.


Switzerland can be nice, but you need to go the Italian part or even the French part of Switzerland. Because just a little chaos mixed within a orderly system is nice. The German part, though lovely, can make you feel like you have been assigned to a German camp if you let it.

[Harry]

To come to America, and stay in your own community and establish your own identity distinct from an American identity is suboptimal for America.
I agree.

[Harry]

Sometimes when I am in NYC, I wish the Germans had won the immigration war rather than the Italians. This is not a Jewish thing. This is an anti chaos thing. I like my orderly German processes. Not, my Italian, anything goes ways. Though, I like the Irish influence. Who doesn't like being able to get drunk at any hour of the day. Just kidding my Irish friends.
I guess this is the thread where we can bring out all the stereotypes. :wink:

[Incredible Hulctuary]

I'll admit that it certainly doesn't look imminent, but to say that CA will *never* vote Republican again is idiotic. A Republican won a statewide race in CA in 2006... only five years ago for Pete's sake.

Governors are different. People stick less to the party line when they vote for governors, and governors often tend to govern in a not-so-partisan manner. So it's not uncommon to see a red state with a Democrat governor or a blue state with a Republican governor.

[Guerilla poster]

I guess this is the thread where we can discuss the cultural diversity across White America :wink:
IFYP

[MathinTucson]

Have only read this far:

Um... if the GOP in CA could come back after Barry Goldwater got such a small percentage of the vote and carry CA in 1968, 1972, 1980, and 1984 (four of the five elections following Goldwater's defeat)... why is it so difficult to think that another Republican could carry California after McCain's defeat?

Goldwater did poorly in most states; so a small pct. in CA said nothing about CA voters in general. McCain did better in 2008, making CA more of an outlier for him.

[SamTheEagle]

Goldwater did poorly in most states; so a small pct. in CA said nothing about CA voters in general. McCain did better in 2008, making CA more of an outlier for him.

:iatp:

It's the difference between one particularly poor candidate compared to a long term shift in electorate preference.

[twig93]

Governors are different. People stick less to the party line when they vote for governors, and governors often tend to govern in a not-so-partisan manner. So it's not uncommon to see a red state with a Democrat governor or a blue state with a Republican governor.
True, but if they get another Republican governor, that person could easily end up running for POTUS or VPOTUS and carry CA as his/her home state. Popular Republicans from CA tend to do well in Presidential politics!

I'm not trying to assess the likelihood of this happening in 2016 or 2020 or 2024. Just trying to point out that saying that it will NEVER happen is just a stupid thing to say.

The only thing that anyone can really state with any certainty is that D.C.'s 3 Electoral Votes are going to be solidly Democratic for the foreseeable future. Those votes are the ONLY electoral votes that have ALWAYS stayed for the same party.

[Guerilla poster]

Someone elected GOP governor in California is more and more unlikely to get the GOP nomination for President.

Perhaps, Romney's rightward drift (and getting the nomination) will prove this statement wrong.

[twig93]

Goldwater did poorly in most states; so a small pct. in CA said nothing about CA voters in general. McCain did better in 2008, making CA more of an outlier for him.
Meh, George Bush Sr. got a smaller percentage of the votes in CA in 1992 than McCain did in 2008... after California plumped for Bush Sr. in 1988 (a fact which I'd forgotten). The Republican POTUS candidates gradually increased their share of the vote until McCain flopped there in 2008.

None of that says that a comeback isn't possible.

Keep in mind that California is a majority-minority state. And 2008 was the first time that a non-white guy ran for POTUS on a major-party ticket. That's going to have a bigger impact in a majority-minority state than it will in a majority white state. I'm not surprised that McCain did especially poorly given the elevated role that race played in the 2008 election.

I'm sure that at some point in my lifetime, it will happen again that a Republican carries CA in the presidential election.

[magillaG]

Why just stop at "white America". Isn't it more logical to think of our glory days as having ended when we let the Roman Catholics, or "Papists" as we might think of them, capture the Presidency through John F Kennedy. Perhaps this ended the protestant, anglo-saxon America of the founders, as various other germanic and celtic peoples immigrated and changed American culture.

Oh, wait. Buchanan is Roman Catholic with Irish, Scottish and German blood (in addition to English ancestors.) I guess that's why.

[The Right]

Federalist 2, John Jay looks out at a nation of a common blood, faith, language, history, customs and culture.
"Providence," he writes, "has been pleased to give this one connected country to one united people -- a people descended from the same ancestors, speaking the same language, professing the same religion ... very similar in their manners and customs ..."
Are we still that "one united people" today? Or has America become what Klemens von Metternich called Italy: "a mere geographical expression"?
In "Suicide of a Superpower," out this week, I argue that the America we grew up in is disintegrating, breaking apart along the fault lines of politics, race, ethnicity, culture and faith; that the centrifugal forces in society have now become the dominant forces.
Our politics are as poisonous as they have been in our lifetimes.
Sarah Palin was maligned as morally complicit in the murder attempt on Rep. Gabrielle Giffords. Terms like "terrorists" and "hostage-takers" are routinely used on Tea Party members who one congressman said want to see blacks "hanging on a tree."
Half a century after the civil rights revolution triumphed, the terms "racist" and "racism" are in daily use. We remain, said Eric Holder in calling us a "nation of cowards," as socially segregated as ever.
"Outside the workplace, the situation is even more bleak in that there is almost no significant interaction between us. On Saturdays and Sundays, America ... does not, in some ways, differ significantly from the country that existed some 50 years ago."
He is not altogether wrong in that. In California's prisons and among her proliferating ethnic gangs, a black-brown civil war has broken out.
Yet, by 2042, there will be 66 million black folks and 135 million Hispanics here, the latter concentrated in the states bordering Mexico.
What holds us together, then?
We are not now and will not then be "descended from common ancestors." We will consist of all the races, cultures, tribes and creeds of Earth -- a multiracial, multicultural, multiethnic, multilingual stew of a nation that has never before existed, or survived. The parallels that come to mind are the Habsburg Empire that flew apart after World War I, and the Soviet Union and Yugoslavia that disintegrated after the Cold War.
No more will we all speak the same language. We will be bilingual and bi-national. Spanish radio and TV stations are already the fastest growing. In Los Angeles, half the people speak a language other than English in their own homes.
As for "professing the same religion," where 85 percent of Americans were Christians in 1990, that is down to 75 percent and plummeting. The old Christian churches -- Presbyterian, Methodist, Lutheran and especially Episcopalian -- are splitting, shrinking and dying.
Where three in four Catholics attended Sunday Mass in 1960, it is now one in four. One in three cradle Catholics has lost the faith. The numbers of priests and nuns are plummeting; religious orders are dying; Catholics schools are closing.
The moral consensus and moral code Christianity gave to us has collapsed. Since the great cultural-social revolution of the 1960s, there has occurred what Nietzsche called the "transvaluation of all values."
What was morally repellent -- promiscuity, homosexuality, abortion -- is now seen by perhaps half the nation as natural, normal, healthy and progressive.
Socially, too, America is breaking down.
Where out-of-wedlock births in the 1950s were rare, today, 41 percent of all American children are born out of wedlock. Among Hispanics, it is 51 percent; among blacks, 71 percent. And the correlation between the illegitimacy rate, the drug rate, the dropout rate, the crime rate and the incarceration rate is absolute.
This helps to explain the four decades of plunging test scores of American children and the quadrupling of the prison population.
And while all this is happening, the state is failing.
We cannot control our borders, win our wars or balance our budgets. In three consecutive national elections -- 2006, 2008 and 2010 -- the incumbents have been repudiated. Confidence in politics, politicians and the future of the country has never been so low in our lifetimes.
There was a time not so long ago when the nation was united on a common faith, morality, history, heroes, holidays, holy days, language and literature. Now we fight over them all.
Neocons says not to worry, the Constitution holds us together.
Does it? Do we all agree on what the First Amendment says about the freedom to pray in school and celebrate Christmas and Easter? How can we be the "one nation, under God" of the Pledge of Allegiance, or the people "endowed by their Creator" with inalienable rights, if we cannot even identify or discuss or mention that God and that Creator in the schools of America?
Do we agree on what the Ninth Amendment says about right to life? What about what the 14th Amendment says about affirmative action? What the Second Amendment says about the right to carry a concealed gun?
The new secession that is coming, Rick Perry notwithstanding, is not like the secession of 1861. It is a secession of the heart from one another.
http://townhall.com/columnists/patbuchanan/2011/10/21/is_america_disenigrating/page/full/

[Standtall]

You're all going to work for me eventually. Now hee haw and get me some fooking coffee, punk bitches

Cream or sugar?

[erosewater]

Cream or sugar?

Just a little sugar. Cream is for women