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Maxprime
02-01-2004, 05:08 AM
So I get a Q/K suited and I go pretty moderate until the flop. On the flop I get a K,Q,4 - only thing that can take me is pocket 4's, anything else is pretty much not happening. I go all in and someone actually calls with an A/J and catches the 10 on the river. Was I just screwed by the odds or was this a mistake in judgement?

Expunge
02-01-2004, 11:42 AM
KK QQ or 44 has you beat. the call with AJ is weak, but depending on dollar amounts and suits a call with JT may not have been too bad.

either way for this hand you just got screwed, join the poker players club happens to all of us multiple times daily.

Maxprime
02-01-2004, 06:11 PM
We were playing just a simple $5 buy-in game to teach some friends how to play. So we each had $5 or so in chips - I put in $3.50 after the flop and I was shocked to see a call.

vegas
02-02-2004, 09:20 AM
get used to it. :)

I flopped a set of 8's yesterday. I bet modestly on the flop, the other person came over the top, and I moved all in.

The other person had a pair of Q's on the flop, but the 3rd Q came on the river.

Geez

Castle7
02-02-2004, 09:29 AM
Okay, here is the situation. Multitable NL Holdem on Party, $20 buy in. close to 1000 entrants, top 70 get paid, down to the last 200 or so. Average stack is just over 6000, you have 2200 in chips. Blinds are 150/300. Get dealt AK Under the gun + 3. Everybody else at this table has more than average stack (I would say the average was about 9000). The guy on your right calls the BB. I raised to 600, guy 2 to my left raises to 1500. BB calls 1500, the guy on my immediate right goes all in for 6,000 more. What do you do?

minus790
02-02-2004, 10:21 AM
Fold 'em up and live to die another day - this advice is somewhat dependent on the profile of the players around you, but playing your hand now is purely gambling, and you might already be drawing close to dead.

One thing that is pertinent : You say there are 1000 entrants, 200 people left, and the average chip stack is 9x the beginning chips? Shouldn't it be around 5x?

Bama Gambler
02-02-2004, 10:39 AM
Okay, here is the situation. Multitable NL Holdem on Party, $20 buy in. close to 1000 entrants, top 70 get paid, down to the last 200 or so. Average stack is just over 6000, you have 2200 in chips. Blinds are 150/300. Get dealt AK Under the gun + 3. Everybody else at this table has more than average stack (I would say the average was about 9000). The guy on your right calls the BB. I raised to 600, guy 2 to my left raises to 1500. BB calls 1500, the guy on my immediate right goes all in for 6,000 more. What do you do?All-in instead of raising to 600. Raising 2x the big blind just isn't smart in NL (unless the blinds are VERY large relative to everyone's stack size) especially when someone has already limped. AK is hand you want to win with pre-flop.

Castle7
02-02-2004, 10:43 AM
Fold 'em up and live to die another day - this advice is somewhat dependent on the profile of the players around you, but playing your hand now is purely gambling, and you might already be drawing close to dead.

One thing that is pertinent : You say there are 1000 entrants, 200 people left, and the average chip stack is 9x the beginning chips? Shouldn't it be around 5x?

The average for all the tables was, but at my particualr table, it was more like 9x.

I think you guys are correct. I seem to play decently until about this point in every tournament I make a huge mistake that burns me. I always finish in the top 20% or so, but I keep missing the money.

Long story short, I called, the other two folded, guy on my right flips up KK, no help, I'm gone.

minus790
02-02-2004, 10:54 AM
Just to clarify, I agree with Bama that you want to win this hand preflop, and the best way is to put all your chips in the middle immediately.

Given that you chose to play it slower than this, and got this much action, I'd cut my losses and fold now. I'm actually surprised no one else called the bet, even further lowering your odds of surviving.

Bama Gambler
02-02-2004, 10:57 AM
minus790 is right, once it gets back to you it's a certain fold. When someone limps then two people raise and he comes over the top, you can be 95% certain he has AA-QQ, with AA and KK more likely.