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Linus
11-29-2011, 11:08 AM
http://gizmodo.com/5863078/engineered-avian-flu-could-kill-half-the-worlds-humans

Engineered Avian Flu Could Kill Half the World’s Humans
This isn't a movie. It's not a classic Science Fiction book. This is the real story of a scientist who created a virus with the power to litter the Earth with billions of dead bodies.

OK, now breathe. Or maybe don't—the virus is airborne.

In his Netherlands laboratory, virologist Ron Fouchier was experimenting with the avian flu virus to see how it could become even more virulent. (Red flag.) His research involved spreading it throughout a population of ferrets, and he noticed that as the virus reproduced, it adapted to spread even faster. (RED FLAG.) Not worried about ferret flu? Previous research has shown that any strains of influenza that can pass between ferrets can also pass between humans. (RED FLAAAAAAAAAG.) Ten generations later, his efforts had created an airborne strain with the power could kill half the human population. (RED ****ING FLAG, DUDE!)

Fouchier, who conducted his research at Erasmus Medical Centre admitted that the new strain is "probably one of the most dangerous viruses you can make." He presented his work at the influenza conference in Malta this September. Now he wants to publish his study in a scientific journal, so those responsible for responding to bioterrorism can be prepared for the worst case scenario. Seems like a no-brainer, right? Not exactly. The research has set off alarms among colleagues who are urging Fouchier not to publish, for fear the recipe could wind up in the wrong hands. Some question whether the research should have been done in the first place. Fair point!

Typically H5N1 affects birds, but about 10 years ago it emerged in humans, first in Asia, then traveling around the world. Human cases are rare—about 600 total—but they are deadly, killing about half the people infected.

The reason avian flu isn't more common is because it's not an airborne contagion—at least it hasn't been until now. With the un-engineered version, you have to touch something that's been contaminated to get sick. But Fouchier's version is airborne, meaning being in the vicinity of the disease and breathing it in would be enough to contract it. It's as contagious as the human seasonal flu, but much more deadly. And now Fouchier wants to publish how he made it that way.

His fellow bioterrorism experts are thinking that's maybe not the best idea, because then anyone who got their hands on the paper could reproduce Fouchier's results. Microbial geneticist Paul Keim, an anthrax expert and chair of the National Science Advisory Board for Biosecurity (which will decide whether Fouchier can publish) told Science Insider:

I can't think of another pathogenic organism that is as scary as this one. I don't think anthrax is scary at all compared to this.

But Fouchier and a handful of other scientists who have performed similar experiments believe publishing would help the scientific community prepare for an H5N1 pandemic. Not publishing, they say, could leave researchers in the dark as to how to respond to an outbreak. But a pandemic made possible in the first place by the publication creates a bit of a chicken and egg question—and that's why the NSAB has an unenviably difficult decision to make.

FormLetter
11-29-2011, 11:15 AM
Money-making opportunity: patent the vaccine for this, then create it and release it

FormLetter
11-29-2011, 11:16 AM
And I can come up with that, then certainly some money-hungry ne'er do well with some capital can do it.

Harry
11-29-2011, 11:24 AM
Isn't this the Twelve Monkeys plot?

Rickson
11-29-2011, 11:33 AM
No this is what will happen once the world gov't is all rolled out and there is no escape or recourse.

JUICE
11-29-2011, 11:39 AM
It's not a matter of "if" but "when."

1918-1919
1957-1958
2011-2012?

FormLetter
11-29-2011, 11:44 AM
No this is what will happen once the world gov't is all rolled out and there is no escape or recourse.

That's what I was thinking.

If I was an oligarch I would kill 95% of the population, keep 4.9999% as slaves to mine things that I want. Their procreation would be more like breeding.

Montagraph would approve

yoyo
11-29-2011, 11:45 AM
It's not a matter of "if" but "when."

1918-1919
1957-1958
2011-2012?winter of hell

Rickson
11-29-2011, 11:49 AM
That's what I was thinking.

If I was an oligarch I would kill 95% of the population, keep 4.9999% as slaves to mine things that I want. Their procreation would be more like breeding.

Montagraph would approve

The would not breed w/ the slaves as they think they are different speicies of humans.

You can read their biographies and see what they want to do.

It's more like 1% and them...

What did Prince Phillip say...he wanted to come back as disease to rid the earth of the plague known as humans.

Linus
11-29-2011, 11:50 AM
The only good ferret is a dead ferret.

FattyMcGee
11-29-2011, 11:57 AM
Isn't this the Twelve Monkeys plot?
Or just less deadly than "The Stand", in which the "Superflu" had something like a 95% kill rate.

JUICE
11-29-2011, 11:59 AM
Question: in terms of evolution, how do super virulent flu strains make sense? If, like avian flu, the virus is killing ~60% of those infected, then the virus is limiting its own spread - a dead host is far less likely to spread a virus than a live one.

NotUrAvgXBar
11-29-2011, 12:08 PM
Question: in terms of evolution, how do super virulent flu strains make sense? If, like avian flu, the virus is killing ~60% of those infected, then the virus is limiting its own spread - a dead host is far less likely to spread a virus than a live one.

That's why there aren't very many super virulent flu strains all over the place...

FormLetter
11-29-2011, 12:26 PM
Humans are the super virulent flu strain. Earth is the host.

NotUrAvgXBar
11-29-2011, 12:34 PM
Global warming is Earth's fever. And super virulent flu strains are the Earth's anti virals. Who is Earth's medical insurer?

FormLetter
11-29-2011, 12:45 PM
Global warming is Earth's fever. And super virulent flu strains are the Earth's anti virals. Who is Earth's medical insurer?

Ironically, the virus.

Heaven's Thunder Hammer
11-29-2011, 06:07 PM
This has me pretty freaked out... If people think his work won't tried to be stolen by every single spy agency out there is just living in denial.

Rickson
11-29-2011, 07:05 PM
This has me pretty freaked out... If people think his work won't tried to be stolen by every single spy agency out there is just living in denial.

normally these news stories are just to let you know what they are getting ready to do...you be a foo' if you think they don't have stuff like this or way worse all ready to be released on the useless eater JSA(s).

George L. Costanza
11-29-2011, 07:15 PM
This has me pretty freaked out... If people think his work won't tried to be stolen by every single spy agency out there is just living in denial.

If he publishes, his results should be very easy to replicate. Engineering a deadly virus isn't exactly genius level work.

1. Get a few populations (of whatever you want to study) sick with virus variants.
2. Monitor which population gets sick the fastest and shows the most effects.
3. Collect that virus (nearly any body fluid should work).
Rinse. Repeat. Resulting virus can be chosen based on how bad the effects are, how contagious it is, whatever you like most.

Far, far deadlier/more contagious viruses are in the freezers already. No need for a spy agency to be after this when we keep Small Pox and Ebola in the freezer!

George L. Costanza
11-29-2011, 07:16 PM
...you be a foo' if you think they don't have stuff like this or way worse all ready to be released on the useless eater JSA(s).

Agree 100% and there's no :tfh: about it.

Dr T Non-Fan
11-29-2011, 07:17 PM
Isn't this the Twelve Monkeys plot?
Yes, but what a twist!!

MathinTucson
11-29-2011, 07:21 PM
V for Vendetta