So much for "the Jewish lobby" controlling everything....

[Pseudolus]

Trader Joe’s pareve chocolate chips go dairy
May 18, 2012
(JTA) -- Trader Joe's semi-sweet chocolate chips will no longer be certified nondairy.

OK-Certification would no longer be able to certify the products as pareve because of a change in the supplier's production procedure, the Los Angeles Jewish Journal reported this week.

In a statement, Trader Joe's said the ingredients have not changed and the chips will continue to be made on equipment dedicated to nondairy chocolate.

The bagging process, however, has changed, with the supplier now using a dry cleaning procedure for a machine that also packages milk chocolate products.

These changes "triggered the need for an FDA regulated, dairy-related allergen statement, and this in turn brought about a change in the Kosher certification for our item -- going from ‘Kosher Parve’ to ‘Kosher Dairy,’ ” the statement read.

As a result, OK Kosher said supervising rabbis can no longer guarantee that errant milk chocolate won't be in the semi-sweet bags.

“It’s just really sad,” said Shana Fishman, a Beverlywood, Calif., mother of four who bought 20 bags of chocolate chips at Trader Joe’s in West Hollywood told the Jewish Journal.http://www.jta.org/news/article/2012/05/18/3095861/say-it-aint-so-trader-joe

[Jack]

:alf:

[Pseudolus]

I put my commentary right there in the subject line. I'm cool like (but not exclusively) that.

[Jack]

I guess the intersection of Jewish fundamentalists and Trader Joes shoppers must be huge.

[Jack]

I put my commentary right there in the subject line. I'm cool like (but not exclusively) that.

Actually it's the WB Yeats allusion in your location that demonstrates your coolness.

[phoebe]

I guess the intersection of Jewish fundamentalists and Trader Joes shoppers must be huge.Probably. I heard about this last night from a friend who works at Trader Joes. He says they've been selling cases and cases of the old chips.

[Jack]

Probably. I heard about this last night from a friend who works at Trader Joes. He says they've been selling cases and cases of the old chips.

I was kidding, really? I'm pretty sure I've bought frozen carnitas enchiladas there. Pretty sure the fundamentalists would view this as verboten.

[Jack]

Trader Joes needs to bring back the Thai peanut sauce. They have an Asian Peanut Salad dressing that's pretty good but not quite the same.

Trader Joe's oderless fish oil is a great product. No fish burps.

Unfortunately in Pennsyltuckey they don't sell beer and wine in the stores.

[SamTheEagle]

So this is an issue for Jews who make chocolate covered hamburgers or what?

[phoebe]

It's an issue for Jews who want to serve chocolate chip cookies after supper, if supper included meat.

[phoebe]

I was kidding, really? I'm pretty sure I've bought frozen carnitas enchiladas there. Pretty sure the fundamentalists would view this as verboten.I thought you were exaggerating, and calling all kosher Jews "fundamentalists". But even the "fundamentalist" Jews don't think the dietary laws apply to non-Jews, and are generally willing to shop at places that sell non-kosher food.

[Jacob Jock]

So this is an issue for Jews who make chocolate covered hamburgers or what?

Are chocolate covered grilled cheese sandwiches okay?

[Jack]

Mexicans add chocolate to chicken and its freakin awesome.

[Patience]

I was kidding, really? I'm pretty sure I've bought frozen carnitas enchiladas there. Pretty sure the fundamentalists would view this as verboten.

packaged foods don't taint other packaged foods.

most Kosher Jews do not have a choice of fully kosher supermarkets.

for things like deli, a slicer is dedicated to strictly kosher meats

[Patience]

It's an issue for Jews who want to serve chocolate chip cookies after supper, if supper included meat.

just have to serve dessert first, which I happen to endorse generally

[SamTheEagle]

It's an issue for Jews who want to serve chocolate chip cookies after supper, if supper included meat.

Wait... what? I wasn't aware of this. How long must pass after eating a meat dish before you can consume something with milk?

[SamTheEagle]

I thought you were exaggerating, and calling all kosher Jews "fundamentalists". But even the "fundamentalist" Jews don't think the dietary laws apply to non-Jews, and are generally willing to shop at places that sell non-kosher food.

I assume when he says fundamentalist he means Orthodox. He's done it in another thread recently, too. Not sure why. Seems needlessly offensive, to me.

[Patience]

Wait... what? I wasn't aware of this. How long must pass after eating a meat dish before you can consume something with milk?

meat before milk I believe is 6 hours

milk before meat is much shorter (1/2 an hour)

basically digestive times

[Patience]

I assume when he says fundamentalist he means Orthodox. He's done it in another thread recently, too. Not sure why. Seems needlessly offensive, to me.

plus there are many kosher Jews who are not orthodox

[Jack]

I was unaware of that.

I've worked with some basically secular Jewish people that don't eat pork or cheeseburgers but don't investigate every food item in great detail to see if it conforms to the rule(s).

[Avi]

meat before milk I believe is 6 hours

milk before meat is much shorter (1/2 an hour)

basically digestive times
It depends on where you come from. Most Orthodox Jews (Sephardic and Ashkenazic alike) wait between 5 and 6 hours after consuming meat before consuming dairy. German Jews wait 3 and Jews from Holland wait 1.

[SamTheEagle]

Thanks for learning me something new!

[2pac Shakur]

meat before milk I believe is 6 hours

milk before meat is much shorter (1/2 an hour)

basically digestive times

Sounds logical to me.

[2pac Shakur]

I don't swim within half hour of eating.
Similar?

[Patience]

I was unaware of that.

I've worked with some basically secular Jewish people that don't eat pork or cheeseburgers but don't investigate every food item in great detail to see if it conforms to the rule(s).

I would usually refer to that as "kosher style"

They won't only eat Kosher meats, but avoid the obvious meat/milk together and don't care about when not together.

Many will eat chicken with milk, since "you can't milk a chicken", therefore it seems exempt from the concept.

You also get to realize that things like Jello and Marshmellows are generally meat products

[Dumbdumb]

Sounds logical to me.

Logical? What's not logical about that? If you start with the premise that there's an all knowing entity to which you are accountable, and they've said don't mix meat and dairy, then paying attention to detail seems pretty logical to me. Might even be logical to place quit a bit of emphasis on the finer details of what the entity told you to do.

What's perhaps not logical are people who don't pay much attention to these things. (or perhaps there's justification for this as well, I've no idea).

[SamTheEagle]

How do kosher Jews even make chocolate chip cookies with milk chocolate? Or are eggs exempt from the meat rule?

[SamTheEagle]

Logical? What's not logical about that? If you start with the premise that there's an all knowing entity to which you are accountable, and they've said don't mix meat and dairy, then paying attention to detail seems pretty logical to me. Might even be logical to place quit a bit of emphasis on the finer details of what the entity told you to do.

What's perhaps not logical are people who don't pay much attention to these things. (or perhaps there's justification for this as well, I've no idea).

An actual reading of the Bible will tell you that God never commanded against mixing meat and dairy. The only restriction was against boiling a kid in its own mother's milk. But Jews like to build fences or something or other, and now they wait 6 hours before drinking a glass of milk after eating a hamburger.

[2pac Shakur]

Logical? What's not logical about that? If you start with the premise that there's an all knowing entity to which you are accountable, and they've said don't mix meat and dairy, then paying attention to detail seems pretty logical to me. Might even be logical to place quit a bit of emphasis on the finer details of what the entity told you to do.

What's perhaps not logical are people who don't pay much attention to these things. (or perhaps there's justification for this as well, I've no idea).

Do you face mecca when praying? Or different god?

[Avi]

Sounds logical to me.Thank the Almighty G-d, I'm so relieved that you find it logical. For a moment there, I wasn't sure how I could continue existing if I didn't have your approval. :-P

[Avi]

How do kosher Jews even make chocolate chip cookies with milk chocolate? Or are eggs exempt from the meat rule?Yes, eggs are Parve.

[Patience]

How do kosher Jews even make chocolate chip cookies with milk chocolate? Or are eggs exempt from the meat rule?

eggs are not meat

[2pac Shakur]

What is the secret trick to avoiding the spirit of the kosher law, but following the letter of the law? I know there is one. Like using a croc pot.

[Avi]

An actual reading of the Bible will tell you that God never commanded against mixing meat and dairy. The only restriction was against boiling a kid in its own mother's milk. But Jews like to build fences or something or other, and now they wait 6 hours before drinking a glass of milk after eating a hamburger.That's because Jews (traditionally for around 3000 years, and in the modern era the Orthodox Jews) believe in the Oral Law as well as the Written Law and the Oral Law explains, expounds, and expands on what is often cryptically described in written law (hermaneutical principles and all)

[Patience]

An actual reading of the Bible will tell you that God never commanded against mixing meat and dairy. The only restriction was against boiling a kid in its own mother's milk. But Jews like to build fences or something or other, and now they wait 6 hours before drinking a glass of milk after eating a hamburger.

many of the laws of the bibles are extended to a degree to make sure the actual commandment is not disobeyed

[2pac Shakur]

Thou shall not kill.
Thou shall not haz cheezeburger

[SamTheEagle]

That's because Jews (traditionally for around 3000 years, and in the modern era the Orthodox Jews) believe in the Oral Law as well as the Written Law and the Oral Law explains, expounds, and expands on what is often cryptically described in written law (hermaneutical principles and all)

Yeah yeah yeah, I know. I'm just razzing you guys.

[SamTheEagle]

many of the laws of the bibles are extended to a degree to make sure the actual commandment is not disobeyed

Right, fences.

[Patience]

Right, fences.

willing to pay for half?

[2pac Shakur]

Logical? What's not logical about that? If you start with the premise that there's an all knowing entity to which you are accountable, and they've said don't mix meat and dairy, then paying attention to detail seems pretty logical to me. Might even be logical to place quit a bit of emphasis on the finer details of what the entity told you to do.

What's perhaps not logical are people who don't pay much attention to these things. (or perhaps there's justification for this as well, I've no idea).

Are you talking about Santa Claus?

[Dumbdumb]

Are you talking about Santa Claus?
Could be, could be.

He called the other day you know. Said you forgot to obey puff-puff-pass. So no afterlife for you.

[Pseudolus]

Actually it's the WB Yeats allusion in your location that demonstrates your coolness.
Yeats meets Lewis Carroll. Aeyyyyyyyy! :tup:

[Pseudolus]

willing to pay for half?

Always with the money, you people. :shake:

[Dr T Non-Fan]

Trader Joes needs to bring back the Thai peanut sauce. They have an Asian Peanut Salad dressing that's pretty good but not quite the same.

Trader Joe's oderless fish oil is a great product. No fish burps.

Unfortunately in Pennsyltuckey they don't sell beer and wine in the stores.
Where do you get your 2-Buck Chuck?

[Descalzo]

Mexicans add chocolate to chicken and its freakin awesome.

I think that's the nastiest of all Mexican dishes.

[SirVLCIV]

Mexicans add chocolate to chicken and its freakin awesome.

:iatmole:

[SirVLCIV]

I think that's the nastiest of all Mexican dishes.

Then you haven't had it done right.

[SirVLCIV]

http://patismexicantable.com/2010/03/mole-poblano-de-los-angeles.html

[2pac Shakur]

Could be, could be.

He called the other day you know. Said you forgot to obey puff-puff-pass. So no afterlife for you.

oh damn!
what if i go into a top secret box with one of his elves and promise i am sorry?

[phoebe]

eggs are not meat
For Jews. They are meat (sort of) for Hindus, I'm told.

[Patience]

For Jews. They are meat (sort of) for Hindus, I'm told.

do Hindus differentiate? Animal slaughter is regulated, but not sure how eggs would matter

[Patience]

I think that's the nastiest of all Mexican dishes.

I love a good mole'

the chocolate should be a note in something mopre complex, not the overwhelming flavor

[2pac Shakur]

Catholics can't eat eggs.
They are chicken abortions.

[Harry]

Catholics can't eat eggs.
They are chicken abortions.
:lol:

[phoebe]

do Hindus differentiate? Animal slaughter is regulated, but not sure how eggs would matterMany Hindus don't eat meat. Many of those avoid eggs. Some will eat a dish that has eggs in it, so long as it isn't predominantly egg. But I think some don't eat egg at all, because they think of it as meat.