Poker (Hand for Discussion)

[MNBridge]

Total number of players : 3
Seat 5: kingmelvin (1870)
Seat 6: gator23gator (3870)
Seat 10: Cohete009 (2260)
kingmelvin posts small blind (200)
gator23gator posts big blind (400)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Cohete009 [ Kd, Jc ]
Cohete009 raises (800) to 800
kingmelvin folds.
gator23gator raises (800) to 1200
Now What?

We all know what happened but how would you play this hand and why?

[O. Hannah]

Hmmmmm.....

Fold, Call or All-in

I'd probably call and consider an all-in post flop.

[MountainHawk]

Only at 3x BB or so left, so I prolly go allin and hope I outdraw him, since I may not see another hand before being blinded to death.

If I'm not in danger of blinding out, I probably fold. KJo, I never would have raised in the first place, either, since there are too many hands that it comes in second place to.

[Bama Gambler]

I don't think folding is an option. I'd prob. just call since I know my all-in would be called. But I wouldn't have been in this situation since I would have folded or raised all-in instead of raising to 800.

[MNBridge]

Ok let's look at the scenario.

And a player on the sidelines with 1870

I'm on the button and have 1000 chips (2.5 BB) left
My opponent has 2670 left
and 2400 in the pot

I think a call is correct.

If I go all in he is sure to call getting 3:1 for his remaining 1,000. I'm guessing he has either a pocket pair or any ace for his raise.

Now I get to see the flop and he has to act first.
If he goes all in and there is no KJ or draw I fold.
If he doesn't go all in with any KJ or drawing hand I go all in.

If the flop is rags and he checks I will probably check also hoping to check it down.

My thoughts are he wants to win this hand but doesn't want to risk going into last place from first with junk. So I think unless he has a hand he will check.
I also think that without help he is currently beating me. (I can't think of many poor hands that would raise an amount I'm SURE to call with nothing.) This was a clear value bet and not intended to make me fold.

[minus790]

call

[Cohete009]

Here is my thought:

I wasn't getting any cards at all, went 3 times around and lost all of my blinds. KJo, although not a great hand, is pretty decent 3 handed. I figured if the other short stack raised me all in, I would have laid down the hand. However, the big stack raised me like he had been, so I figured I would let it ride. If I had just called, I would have been down to 1000 chips anyways, and with the blinds, I would have had to either pray for a monster. Plus, let's say I just call. I would have flopped the top pair on board, with the J, so I would have been all in anyways. Sure he had aces, but sometimes the "luck" factor comes into play.

Anyways, I can't stop laughing at how bad people at party are. If I don't make the top 3 in any tourney I play in, something I did was flawed. The people are so dumb there, calling my raises and all-ins with only top pair or hands like AQ when I flop a set. They let me limp in with my small pocket pairs, and then I make them pay when I hit my set. Just like McDonald's, "I'm lovin' it."

[FSAme]

If I don't make the top 3 in any tourney I play in, something I did was flawed.

If only that were true. I'd love to see your stats.

It's easy to not make the top 3 by making the correct play and having some fish call your pre-flop all-in with 68 off and take down your KK with a river straight. :shake: Happened last night.


The question is: Which is better - Fish or no Fish? I think in the long run Fish are better, but in the tourney they take you down in, it really sucks.

[Cohete009]

If I did keep track of my stats (or if partypoker did), I think you would be surprised. Honestly, I place in the top 3 in probably 50% of the time, but since I have been keeping track as of late, I have placed in 8 of my last 10. Call me butter, cuz I'm on a roll.

Even though I won the only 30+3 tourney I have played this month (on Sunday), I prefer just playing the 10+1 sng. I know I am the best player at those tables, and I just own the people there. I'd much rather win more money at the higher tables, but at these mini-tourneys there is very low risk for me. Plus, I can watch sports while doing it and not worry about "watching" the other players cuz they just aren't that good.