Speech by Clinton

[Truth Soldier]

http://www.brook.edu/fp/research/projects/islam/clinton20040112.pdf

Nice speech.

[4sigma]

ln, thanks for posting the link. A very fine speech indeed.

[Michael Davlin]

Any idea who wrote it? That's a sincere question, by the way.

[Guerilla poster]

Sounds like Clinton may have written it. This is about as Clinton sounding as you can get.

[11pecans]

The problem comes, especially in matters of religion, when people believe their categories contain the whole truth. Because if you believe you have the whole truth, then whoever disagrees with you is not as human as you are and not entitled to the same humanity and treatment.

So isn't he saying that he has the whole truth here and that people who disagree with him are less human?

Liberal elitist. I guess he wants credit for inventing the human genome too :lol:

[Harry]

The problem comes, especially in matters of religion, when people believe their categories contain the whole truth. Because if you believe you have the whole truth, then whoever disagrees with you is not as human as you are and not entitled to the same humanity and treatment.

So isn't he saying that he has the whole truth here and that people who disagree with him are less human?

Liberal elitist. I guess he wants credit for inventing the human genome too :lol:

No, that isn't what he is saying.

[Guerilla poster]

I think he is right. But 'religion' should be defined more broadly to include other forms of idealism.

[11pecans]

I think he is right. But 'religion' should be defined more broadly to include other forms of idealism.

the quote says especially religion, but it is broad to include all categories or idealisms

nonetheless, he is saying, the problem is with people who think they are right

and, of course, in presenting this view, he thinks that he is right, so bascically he is admitting by this statement that he is one of the people who is the problem and that he has created the problems of terrorism and anti-americanism which we find ourselves in today.

I do have to agree with him on that point.

[Guerilla poster]

Yes, of course but you probably think
Reagan and his cronies are blameless.

[Titania]

I think he is right. But 'religion' should be defined more broadly to include other forms of idealism.

the quote says especially religion, but it is broad to include all categories or idealisms

nonetheless, he is saying, the problem is with people who think they are right

and, of course, in presenting this view, he thinks that he is right, so bascically he is admitting by this statement that he is one of the people who is the problem and that he has created the problems of terrorism and anti-americanism which we find ourselves in today.

I do have to agree with him on that point.I disagree, and not just because I hate you.

He's saying that one of the pitfalls of ideology (he picked religion in particular for this occasion) is that it's easy to get in to the mindset that those who don't follow your exact belief system are somehow less than human, and once one gets to that belief, it is very easy to perpetrate atrocities against them.

He's warning against the "Us vs. Them" mentality that is at the heart of all human acts of atrocity against fellow humans - treatment of Blacks in this country, Palestinian/Israeli relations, 9/11. If people are to a point that they consider rape, forced separation of mother and child, murder, etc. appropriate treatment for another group, it can only because they no longer see that group as human with the same capacity for love and suffering as themselves.

This dehumanization of entire groups requires a line of division - race, religion, ethnicity, etc. are all useful to that end.

[11pecans]

I disagree, and not just because I hate you.

You only hate the ones you love.

Your reading of his remarks is too boring. There is nothing contentious in reading it that way.

If you read between the lines, what he is really arguing is moral relativism, agnosticism, the meaningless of life and utter chaos of the universe.

[Titania]

I disagree, and not just because I hate you.

You only hate the ones you love. Whatever helps you sleep at night, babe.
Your reading of his remarks is too boring. There is nothing contentious in reading it that way.

If you read between the lines, what he is really arguing is moral relativism, agnosticism, the meaningless of life and utter chaos of the universe.Or, maybe he's calling up to the mother ship to start the invasion? That could be another reading, possibly.

[11pecans]

I disagree, and not just because I hate you.

You only hate the ones you love. Whatever helps you sleep at night, babe.

Have you been lying awake at night thinking about me? awww, thats sweet.



Your reading of his remarks is too boring. There is nothing contentious in reading it that way.

If you read between the lines, what he is really arguing is moral relativism, agnosticism, the meaningless of life and utter chaos of the universe.Or, maybe he's calling up to the mother ship to start the invasion? That could be another reading, possibly.

No he has a direct line to the mothership. He doesnt send those messages even in code on non-secure lines.

[Titania]

Have you been lying awake at night thinking about me? awww, thats sweet. No, TDA. But thanks for your concern.

[The Spanish Lover]

Oh man, so much better than the Bushspeak. I like that one can read the speech and discuss it. With Bush, you usually try to figure out what word he was actually trying to say. Can't we get a President who hasn't rotted out his brain with cocaine?

[11pecans]

Have you been lying awake at night thinking about me? awww, thats sweet. No, TDA. But thanks for your concern.

TDA would never not post under his real ID and lose credit for all that post count.

Let me say you are incredibly fine looking today, as usual.

[Titania]

Have you been lying awake at night thinking about me? awww, thats sweet. No, TDA. But thanks for your concern.

TDA would never not post under his real ID and lose credit for all that post count.No, I meant it's thoughts of TDA that have been disrupting my sleep as of late - sorry, that wasn't clear. It's obvious to me that you are not him.

Let me say you are incredibly fine looking today, as usual.Why, thank you. You continue to gain my favor, if slowly. You :swear: ignorant :swear: reprobate.

[11pecans]

Why, thank you. You continue to gain my favor, if slowly. You :swear: ignorant :swear: reprobate.

This relationship is moving at a snails pace. You must have serious issues and reservations after earlier bad experiences with :swear: ignorant :swear: reprobates. Hey, dont project that baggage onto me. Im not like the rest of the :swear: ignorant :swear: reprobates out there.

[Elston Gunn]

Im not like the rest of the :swear: ignorant :swear: reprobates out there.

You got that right. I'll leave it up to the masses to determine whether that is a good or a bad thing. Personally, I find your ignorance to be much worse than that of the average reprobate. JMO though.

[11pecans]

Im not like the rest of the :swear: ignorant :swear: reprobates out there.

You got that right. I'll leave it up to the masses to determine whether that is a good or a bad thing. Personally, I find your ignorance to be much worse than that of the average reprobate. JMO though.

Thanks, coming from you, that means a lot to me.

[Mr. Grim]

Make Love not War. It is much more pleasurable.

[Titania]

Make Love not War. It is much more pleasurable.Cheers to that, man! Finally someone is making some sense around here...

[11pecans]

How much was Clinton paid for making the speech?

[O. Hannah]

Nice speech.
Clinton probably got paid 100k to show up...capitalism at work.
Can we move back to topic or move this to the "mindless bickering" forum that I've asked Glen to create. (It should see a lot of use over the next 8 months)

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(an aside)
Titania, you've made comments to me in the past about why I pound on tupac so much? Care to re-evaluated your question? For the life of me I can't understand why you defend him when he is 3x the stupid idiot of anyone in this forum.

[Titania]

Nice speech.
Clinton probably got paid 100k to show up...capitalism at work.
Can we move back to topic or move this to the "mindless bickering" forum that I've asked Glen to create. (It should see a lot of use over the next 8 months)

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(an aside)
Titania, you've made comments to me in the past about why I pound on tupac so much? Care to re-evaluated your question? For the life of me I can't understand why you defend him when he is 3x the stupid idiot of anyone in this forum.First of all, I apologize for the mindless bickering. I do try to actually contribute something from time to time, but this thread was not a good example.

Re:2Pac. You know why I love him? Cuz he's willing to stand in front of trains to express whatever paranoid belief system he holds. He's fearless. I would never say that his arguments are foolproof, but he has good points, and so do you, and so do a lot of personalities here that I don't agree with 100% of the time. Like I said, I'm easy.

[11pecans]

Like I said, I'm easy.

No you're not. You're too repressed and downtrodden. Locked up in a cell. A prisoner of a male institution.

[11pecans]

You can disagree with me, and not just because you hate me either :lol:

[Triweasel]

Like I said, I'm easy.

Unlike 12pack, I'll take this at face value. After all it is Friday. Let's pretend we're at a bar for happy hour. I think the proper response in this case is something like 'Nice shoes, wanna ***k?'
Btw, nice rack today - I like that outfit on you.

[The Diabolical Biz Markie]

The problem comes, especially in matters of religion, when people believe their categories contain the whole truth. Because if you believe you have the whole truth, then whoever disagrees with you is not as human as you are and not entitled to the same humanity and treatment.


That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard Clinton say.

[Triweasel]

really? even stupider than 'I did not have sexual relations with that woman'?

[11pecans]

The problem comes, especially in matters of religion, when people believe their categories contain the whole truth. Because if you believe you have the whole truth, then whoever disagrees with you is not as human as you are and not entitled to the same humanity and treatment.


That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard Clinton say.

I wouldnt go that far. Thats saying a lot.

[duodenum]

Re:2Pac. You know why I love him? Cuz he's willing to stand in front of trains to express whatever paranoid belief system he holds. He's fearless. I would never say that his arguments are foolproof, but he has good points, and so do you, and so do a lot of personalities here that I don't agree with 100% of the time. Like I said, I'm easy.

I admire 2pac too. Same reason.

[2pac Shakur]

Re:2Pac. You know why I love him? Cuz he's willing to stand in front of trains to express whatever paranoid belief system he holds. He's fearless. I would never say that his arguments are foolproof, but he has good points, and so do you, and so do a lot of personalities here that I don't agree with 100% of the time. Like I said, I'm easy.

I admire 2pac too. Same reason.

You like me!
You really, really like me!
:D