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J.T.
04-01-2004, 12:06 PM
The rules were changed that if the slayer slayed both EC members, the slayer gets the stapler anyway. Why would the slayer automatically pursue those with out a vote yet?

I think that both HC and the slayer are playing the game as any student would. They axe the people that they are most suspicious of.

On that matter, I don't like that we have some non-attending people in the arena still. On that note, I want to offer up for consideration Zakarin and duodenum. I don't particularly think that either is EC, but I'm not sure that I have a strong suspicion of anyone right now, except maybe Voter. These 2 have been floating along for a while, and since we don't know how they think (or strategize), we don't know if they are (or are not) EC.

Voter
04-01-2004, 12:07 PM
as much as it bothers me, perhaps Voter is correct

I agree, Voter is correct. It bothers me, too.
Yes, it's unpleasant, but with the wiz gone, someone's got to be the brains of this operation. :duh:

I think USCanuck and/or Rocky should be considered.
According to the unofficial list, they're the only two who haven't received a vote. Let's just pick one of them for this round. Suggestion: USCanuck

Let's also pick one student who hasn't yet voted. I believe someone already mentioned duodenum.

And a random pick: Asynchronous

JMO.

J.T.
04-01-2004, 12:07 PM
BTW, forgot this in the original post. I'm sorry the EC got you Gandalf. :cry:

Maine-iac
04-01-2004, 12:10 PM
Sorry to see the wily wizard slain by the EC. At least he is with his sweet Polly.

As for the clue, obviously the EC is trying to lead us down the wrong track again. :x

urysohn
04-01-2004, 12:35 PM
As for the clue, obviously the EC is trying to lead us down the wrong track again. :x
That's just what an EC would say.

Why would the EC have gotten Gandalf? Three options:
1. It was random. His bad luck
2. They bought into his "most likely students should be executed by EC" theory.
3. He was spouting crap and the EC wanted to make you think he was onto something.
4. The EC couldn't count, and came up with a devious 4th reason.

Ebenezer Kohl
04-01-2004, 12:35 PM
How about you, Maine-iac? Would you like a chance to win the stapler?

urysohn
04-01-2004, 12:36 PM
At this stage, once again either those 4 people are being extremely clever, or they are innocent students.

Klaymen
04-01-2004, 12:43 PM
I'll choose USCanuck.

edited only to get the color right. (I'm color deficient).

Ebenezer Kohl
04-01-2004, 12:48 PM
I'll choose USCanuck.

edited only to get the color right. (I'm color deficient).
Are you trying to make USCanuck your guess to win the stapler? The final guess needs to be orange and you should include Jables.

Klaymen
04-01-2004, 12:50 PM
Jables & USCanuck must be the guilty members.

Better?

Avi
04-01-2004, 12:58 PM
OK, the five people up for prospective lynchings are:

Duodenum Zakarin USCanuck Asynchronus 4sigma

We should throw RedSoxFan in for the Jables connection.

OK, of these, who do you want to see hang?

Ebenezer Kohl
04-01-2004, 01:06 PM
Better?
You did it! :D

Unofficial Update:
Votes:
42 (Gandalf)
Traina (Asynchronous)
RedSoxFan (Traina)
CubedBee (Avi)
Voter (RedSoxFan)
Maine-iac (Rocky)
Avi (Macroman)
Anonymouse (CubedBee)
4sigma (Cho Da)
J.T. (Ebenezer Kohl)
duodenum (plain M&M)
All Clear (J.T.)
Zakarin (All Clear)
Asynchronous (42)
plain M&M (ahow)
Macroman (Werewolf)
Werewolf (cmu_stu)
USCanuck (Anonymouse)

Hasn’t received a vote:
Rocky

Students without a vote cast (doesn’t have a student's chance at winning - yet):
Maine-iac
duodenum
Zakarin

Now there is only one choice left. Any takers, Maine-iac, duodenum, Zakarin?

RedSoxFan
04-01-2004, 01:42 PM
I know several of us are suspicious of Voter.

Maine-iac
04-01-2004, 01:54 PM
I think the EC are Jables and Voter, so I'd have to say lynch Voter.

No problem. You can qualify for the swingline. I still agree that it's them.

RedSoxFan
04-01-2004, 01:56 PM
I think the EC are Jables and Voter, so I'd have to say lynch Voter.

I already guessed Jables and Voter. There's only one person left who hasn't been guessed yet.

RedSoxFan
04-01-2004, 01:58 PM
I think the EC are Jables and Voter, so I'd have to say lynch Voter.

I already guessed Jables and Voter. There's only one person left who hasn't been guessed yet.

You know, this is really suspicious. Wouldn't most students already know what their only chance of winning a stapler is? So for someone to come out this late into it, and submit a guess, and not even pay attention to Ebenezer's post just three posts prior, where it clearly states who has and hasn't been guessed yet, doesn't that look real suspicious?

I think we definitely need to be thinking about eliminating Maine-iac, duodenum, and Zakarin.

Avi
04-01-2004, 02:00 PM
Vote: duodenum

Traina
04-01-2004, 02:00 PM
I was thinking the same thing. Maine-iac does not usually make mistakes like that...hmmm.
Maine-iac

Maine-iac
04-01-2004, 02:03 PM
Just expressing my opinion. I already HAVE a Swingline.

ahow
04-01-2004, 02:08 PM
I would be mostly leaning toward duodenum and plainM&M. Duo has participated to a negligible extent so far and I have plainM&M for the Swingline contest. But that is just this humble ghost's opinion...

4sigma
04-01-2004, 02:13 PM
Alas, poor Gandalf!
:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

I believe Gandalf's death is probably due to a belief by EC that Hagbard is convinced of his innocence, and therefore he would not be lynched or slain. His long-term survival would simply endanger EC with an increased chance of lynching.

I am inclined to ensure that we don't have a silent EC lurking. Although at this point, it is much more difficult to detect EC by their actions, since they have no need to protect anyone but themselves. Still, the hardest to detect would be those silent up until this point, which would be Zakarin, USCanuck or duodenum.

Hagbard Celine
04-01-2004, 02:15 PM
Just expressing my opinion. I already HAVE a Swingline.

I don't. I have a Stanley. :cry:

4sigma
04-01-2004, 02:16 PM
By the way, let's set an agreement on how long to debate vs. when to start the lynching, shall we? Gandalf's death scene Thursday morning gives us until sometime Monday to perform our lynching, depending how Mr. P. treats the weekend time. I think we should confirm a deadline with Mr. P and assuming that this is correct, allow until at least the end of Friday for debate, and start the lynching over the weekend.

Rocky
04-01-2004, 02:23 PM
By the way, let's set an agreement on how long to debate vs. when to start the lynching, shall we? Gandalf's death scene Thursday morning gives us until sometime Monday to perform our lynching, depending how Mr. P. treats the weekend time. I think we should confirm a deadline with Mr. P and assuming that this is correct, allow until at least the end of Friday for debate, and start the lynching over the weekend.

A couple of posts after the death scene...

19 Students remain. The deadline for the students to choose a lynchee is Monday, 10:20 am est. 10 votes are needed to lynch outside of quorum. Deadline to reach quorum is Sunday morning, 10:20 with 13 votes needed for quorum.

ahow
04-01-2004, 02:23 PM
19 Students remain. The deadline for the students to choose a lynchee is Monday, 10:20 am est. 10 votes are needed to lynch outside of quorum. Deadline to reach quorum is Sunday morning, 10:20 with 13 votes needed for quorum.There you go 4sigma...

EDIT: I almost didn't post this because I figured everyone else would. HA! I was right...

J.T.
04-01-2004, 02:23 PM
19 Students remain. The deadline for the students to choose a lynchee is Monday, 10:20 am est. 10 votes are needed to lynch outside of quorum. Deadline to reach quorum is Sunday morning, 10:20 with 13 votes needed for quorum.

4sigma, here's the time. I know this will make me look EC'ish, but taking forever to find someone to lynch is making the pace of this game much longer (and more boring). I don't think we should rush into this, but we've had almost everyone in the game respond with red votes. Since we aren't the ones picking the lynchers, do we really think that we need to wait until this weekend to vote? (BTW, if that is the concensus, I will try to log in this weekend and put my vote in).

I never see anyone anymore putting in any analysis of why to take someone off of the lynching list. For example, if I don't agree with someone's vote of RSF, then I should list out reasons why I think he shouldn't be put on the list. All we ever do is put people up for the ghosts to choose from.

Anyone heard from Macroman lately? Has he been around, or is he too depressed about Jables dying that he hasn't spoken?

Hagbard Celine
04-01-2004, 02:24 PM
The weekend doesn't really work for me, I'll probably forget to check in due to the UConn-Duke game and all the drunkenness that will occur, win or lose.

I'd be able to do it as late as 4:45 PM eastern time Friday, or anytime Monday after 8 AM.

ahow
04-01-2004, 02:27 PM
I say we get everything wrapped up by Friday afternoon. That gives us a day and then some...

4sigma
04-01-2004, 02:28 PM
Thanks all who highlighted Mr. P's posting for me. I don't insist that we spend forever debating, but I do think that we ought to have some sort of agreement on how long we spend. Not everyone checks into the board frequently, and we should give all an opportunity to make their voices heard to Hagbard before the lynching gets underway.

So let me offer some alternatives:

Hagbard gives us a name to lynch by

1) 3 p.m. Eastern time today
2) First thing tomorrow morning
3) Noon Eastern time tomorrow
4) 3 p.m. Eastern time tomorrow.
5) as late as possible Friday

My preference would be for (4) or (5), but I respect that others may prefer to move things along faster. Does this help us become more likely to lynch EC? I'm interested to hear thoughts from both the living and the dead.

Ebenezer Kohl
04-01-2004, 02:29 PM
Maine-iac, :shake:

I don’t cast an official vote, but I would like to issue a challenge to duodenum and Zakarin. Submit a post. Let me make it more complicated. Once you click “Post Reply” look for the “font colour” drop down box. Select orange. Inside those parameters, type “Jables & Rocky” and click Submit. First correct response wins.

Go.

Jables
04-01-2004, 02:30 PM
Hi everybody, I'm just checking in... Do you students have a plan set or not? Seems like you can't even decide who you want to be your trustworthy ghost(s)... :lol:

:burn:

ahow
04-01-2004, 02:33 PM
Thanks all who highlighted Mr. P's posting for me. I don't insist that we spend forever debating, but I do think that we ought to have some sort of agreement on how long we spend. Not everyone checks into the board frequently, and we should give all an opportunity to make their voices heard to Hagbard before the lynching gets underway.

So let me offer some alternatives:

Hagbard gives us a name to lynch by

1) 3 p.m. Eastern time today
2) First thing tomorrow morning
3) Noon Eastern time tomorrow
4) 3 p.m. Eastern time tomorrow.
5) as late as possible Friday

My preference would be for (4) or (5), but I respect that others may prefer to move things along faster. Does this help us become more likely to lynch EC? I'm interested to hear thoughts from both the living and the dead.I would say 3) or 4), but I am a non-voter (or was it non-Voter?) so I don't know why I am concerned about it...

4sigma
04-01-2004, 02:36 PM
ahow, you still win if we lynch the EC. (not necessarily the stapler, mind you, but all the students are "winners" if EC loses.) And while you may not be able to {bold}vote{/bold}, you can still vote if you would like to. Hagbard can take input from both the living and the dead in his determination of who we should lynch.

edited to clarify that I am not suggesting at the moment to lynch Voter. There will be plenty of time for that later.

Gandalf
04-01-2004, 02:36 PM
I never see anyone anymore putting in any analysis of why to take someone off of the lynching list. For example, if I don't agree with someone's vote of RSF, then I should list out reasons why I think he shouldn't be put on the list. All we ever do is put people up for the ghosts to choose from.
You should tell Hagbard, not the whole world, since the EC is watching. Let's say that hypothetically you've noticed something persuasive that the EC isn't aware of. Let Hagbard know, and the person survives (probably; maybe every non-slayer has some chance of dying in the random process). Let the public and the EC know, and if it's convincing the EC will hit him, and we've lost the value of the info.

Avi
04-01-2004, 02:41 PM
I'm with JT here. I do not think that extra discussion over and above a few hours will help. With only one EC member left - there is no repartee for us to clue in on. Al the ECer has to do is post every so often, and they slip under the radar.

Which is why we wither go RedSoxFan, for the Jables connection, or we take someone else, like I've done with Vote duodenum.

Traina
04-01-2004, 02:41 PM
In the interest of moving things along, I would suggest noon tomorrow for HC's decision.

Voter
04-01-2004, 02:54 PM
I suggest we nominate:

USCanuck
duodenum
Asynchronous
zakarin

Any more than 4 and the pressure might not be enough to force out any clues.

If they're comfortable with a 1 in 4 chance of lynching, they can stay quiet. But it might be helpful to hear what they have to say, so I agree with 4sigma that we should give plenty of time.

Can we agree to this method? Show of hands?

Klaymen
04-01-2004, 02:55 PM
Vote: Voter

Cho Da
04-01-2004, 02:55 PM
There is no reason to rush unless you are EC. Acting quickly only helps the EC. 6×9. Don't forget the salt. :)
I still think 4σ is more likely though.

Avi
04-01-2004, 02:57 PM
There is no reason to rush unless you are EC. Acting quickly only helps the EC. 6Χ9. Don't forget the salt. :)
I still think 4σ is more likely though.Don't you mean 6*7?

Jables
04-01-2004, 03:02 PM
There is no reason to rush unless you are EC. Acting quickly only helps the EC. 6Χ9. Don't forget the salt. :)
I still think 4σ is more likely though.Don't you mean 6*7?

Bwa-ha-ha-ha! :lol: Oh man if you can't factor 42 how are you students gonna figure out who is on the EC? :burn:

USCanuck
04-01-2004, 03:06 PM
Still, the hardest to detect would be those silent up until this point, which would be Zakarin, USCanuck or duodenum.

I haven't been silent, check my post history. It's just that I have a JOB. And that JOB entails travel and I don't have time to keep up with all this stuff!

Ebenezer Kohl
04-01-2004, 03:08 PM
Is your job EC? (Had to be posted.)

Klaymen
04-01-2004, 03:10 PM
Ah, the defensive tone of an EC member trying to avoid suspicion. I am making a place for that stapler on my desk as I write this...

USCanuck
04-01-2004, 03:10 PM
Is your job EC? (Had to be posted.) LOL!!!

No it is not. Not that you're going to believe me anyways. Frankly, wouldn't have time to be EC.

4sigma
04-01-2004, 03:11 PM
There is no reason to rush unless you are EC. Acting quickly only helps the EC. 6Χ9. Don't forget the salt. :)
I still think 4s is more likely though.Don't you mean 6*7?
No, he means 6x9. You may have to google "What do you get if you multiply six by nine" if you don't get the reference.

Rocky
04-01-2004, 03:16 PM
VOTE: 4sigma

42
04-01-2004, 03:18 PM
Gandalf?? :o NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! :cry: :cry:

Six pages of posts in one day?! I'm gonna have to quit my job if I want to keep up with this game. :crazy:

Following up on Voter's post.

Hagbard Celine - Slain by EC - Innocent Student
Cho Da - Slain by EC - Innocent Student
[color=purple]Kenshiro - Slain by EC - Innocent Student

Now, is there ANY pattern to those in purple.

What strikes me is Kenshiro. Why was HE chosen by the EC?

OK, I'll restate my theory on Kenshiro, since it was several pages and eons of paranoia ago.

The EC knew that we were going to target the quiet players. Traina and I then started posting people's voting habits. At the end of the first lynching round, I posted:

The final count is:

16 votes for cmu_stu (Maine-iac, Voter, 4Sigma, PlainM&M, EbenezerKohlx, werewolf, CubedBee, Rocky, Macroman, Jables, Anonymouse, duodenum, Avi, cmu_stu, 42, PollyNomial)
3 votes for Ebenezer Kohlx (RedSoxFan, Ahow, Zakarin)
1 vote for Macroman (Traina)
1 vote for Voter (AllClear)
1 vote for USCanuck (Fallout)
1 vote for Gandalf (Gandalf)
1 vote for Fallout (USCanuck)
1 vote for Kenshiro (ChoDa)
3 people who haven't voted yet (Asynchronous, J.T., Kenshiro)

Now what if one of the EC members was one of {Asynchronous, J.T., Kenshiro}?? Yes, they could have just voted near the end and not stood out so much. Or they could have been much more clever by letting us paint a bullseye on their back, and then, as EC, take out one of {Asynchronous, J.T., Kenshiro}. It would lead us to think that we don't need to take out the quiet ones because the EC would do it for us. Talk about hiding in plain view!!

At first, I suspected Asynchronous (and I still do, to some extent), but then J.T. posted the following:

Do ya'll really think Zakarin is EC? Gauging from his/her 1 post (I think it was only one), I don't think this person is EC. We can determine that the EC is also getting rid of the silent ones. HC and Kenshiro were both 2 quiet people in the beginning days of the game. I think the EC will boot Zakarin for us, and in doing so, we still have the opportunity to boot someone else.

I guess this post was just in case we hadn't caught on to the idea that we really, really shouldn't vote for the quiet ones (like, maybe, Asynchronous or JT). :roll: Coincidence? Maybe. But as many of us have said, we're not going to get many fresh clues from the lone EC member left, and the suggestions we're getting now appear to be mostly just guessing. I don't know if it really is JT or even Asynchronous, but at least I have a logical reason for suspecting them that I would like everyone to consider. Therefore, I suggest:
JT
Asynchronous

Klaymen
04-01-2004, 03:23 PM
My votes come and go like the wind.

Unvote: Voter
Vote: JT

42
04-01-2004, 03:29 PM
Has anybody noticed that the message at the bottom of Gandalf's death scene changes each time you click onto the page?

Obi-Wan Kenobi
04-01-2004, 03:32 PM
Al the ECer has to do is post every so often, and they slip under the radar.

Or slither under the radar. What a coincidence! He posts this, and the slug shows up!

42
04-01-2004, 03:33 PM
I've never seen Gandalf double post before. Nerves are getting the better of him. :wink:
All posts count, and I recently noticed I had dropped off the top 10 list, to #11.

Since fallout was #3 and Jables #10, is there any doubt who the slayer is? Maine-iac, at #8, must be terrified.

I wonder who Gandalf could be implicating as the slayer? :wink:

I was #3 when I left the RO last year, and by the time I had returned to play this game, I was down to #19. Thinking I would start moving back up, I checked my standing to find that I have actually dropped to #21 since breaking free from the Betty Ford Clinic. WTF? :-?

El Y Si
04-01-2004, 03:33 PM
BWAHAHAHAHAH!!!!

Actually this is ahow, just thought I would register this name before someone else swiped it...

Jables
04-01-2004, 03:43 PM
There is no reason to rush unless you are EC. Acting quickly only helps the EC. 6Χ9. Don't forget the salt. :)
I still think 4s is more likely though.Don't you mean 6*7?
No, he means 6x9. You may have to google "What do you get if you multiply six by nine" if you don't get the reference.

Oh. :oops:
/non-geek...

Hagbard Celine
04-01-2004, 03:47 PM
There is no reason to rush unless you are EC. Acting quickly only helps the EC. 6Χ9. Don't forget the salt. :)
I still think 4s is more likely though.Don't you mean 6*7?
No, he means 6x9. You may have to google "What do you get if you multiply six by nine" if you don't get the reference.

Oh. :oops:
/non-geek...

:oops:
/me too...

urysohn
04-01-2004, 03:48 PM
What if HC has a secret deal with the remaining EC member? Perhaps that person already has a stapler or doesn't want one, and has agreed to give his stapler to HC if he helps the EC member win? He'd get a lot of satisfaction out of tricking us.I don't think this is even a possibility. First off, I don't think Hagbardo!!! would have denied us and I believe the EC would totally agree. If he did deny the EC, then he suddenly knows the identity of one or both of the EC members and their little plan to seduce him would have backfired mortally...
Unless they made the request using an alternative ID. I can tell you that if I were EC, I most definitely would have used a secret alternative ID to ask glenn if we could have a second stapler for this game-within-a-game. I then would have contacted Hagbard and made the offer -- you send us your short list and we select the player to be executed. Worst case, Hagbard squeals on the EC plan after they make their first "lynchee" request. The students gain no additional info on who is EC but semi-valuable info on who is an innocent student -- except that if I were EC, I would then have not slain this "proven innocent" and let the questions come up about whether the EC were devious enough to nominate one of their own knowing Hagbard would betray them.
Long story short, there is a (reasonable) scenario under which Hagbard could have been turned to the EC side.

urysohn
04-01-2004, 03:51 PM
I was #3 when I left the RO last year, and by the time I had returned to play this game, I was down to #19. Thinking I would start moving back up, I checked my standing to find that I have actually dropped to #21 since breaking free from the Betty Ford Clinic. WTF? :-?
You haven't been keeping up the way you used to, old timer. And you were at a bit of a disadvantage. I was sitting right behind you and I actually post here daily. Time to take the posting machine out of second gear if you want to get it together. Competition's gotten tougher, though.

Avi
04-01-2004, 03:53 PM
Why am I trusting a slug?

Unvote: duodenum
Vote: JT

urysohn
04-01-2004, 03:54 PM
There is no reason to rush unless you are EC. Acting quickly only helps the EC. 6Χ9. Don't forget the salt. :)
I still think 4s is more likely though.Don't you mean 6*7?
No, he means 6x9. You may have to google "What do you get if you multiply six by nine" if you don't get the reference.

Oh. :oops:
/non-geek...
/geek overdrive
Actually, "what do you get when you multiply six by nine" (paraphrased) was the version of the Ultimate Question Arthur came up with when playing around with the Scrabble tiles millions of years in the past. His and Ford's premise was that the mega-computer hadn't actually come up with the true answer yet but they might be able to come up with an imperfect version of the question. The implication being that the true Ultimate Question was really "what do you get when you multiply six by seven"
/now returning to normal level of geekdom

Jables
04-01-2004, 03:57 PM
:shake:

Hagbard Celine
04-01-2004, 04:03 PM
Unless they made the request using an alternative ID. I can tell you that if I were EC, I most definitely would have used a secret alternative ID to ask glenn if we could have a second stapler for this game-within-a-game. I then would have contacted Hagbard and made the offer -- you send us your short list and we select the player to be executed. Worst case, Hagbard squeals on the EC plan after they make their first "lynchee" request. The students gain no additional info on who is EC but semi-valuable info on who is an innocent student -- except that if I were EC, I would then have not slain this "proven innocent" and let the questions come up about whether the EC were devious enough to nominate one of their own knowing Hagbard would betray them.
Long story short, there is a (reasonable) scenario under which Hagbard could have been turned to the EC side.

:shake: :roll: :shake:

Hagbard Celine
04-01-2004, 04:05 PM
I will post the output of my model tommorrow at 12pm Eastern Time.

Actually, it will probably be more like 11:45 (to miss the 12 pm lunch rush), or 12:15 pm (if I go running). I'll let you know exactly in the mornin' time.

Avi
04-01-2004, 04:12 PM
Don't forget to tally the votes already cast.....

J.T.
04-01-2004, 04:13 PM
Are the students ever going to get one right? :shake:

I am not EC, but I'm sure you expect everyone to say that. I can't believe that not making a vote in the first round and stating the obvious has this sort of effect. Go ahead, lynch me, and have fun knowing that I'm an innocent student.

Go after some person who doesn't vote period (4 lynchings, 1 vote), doesn't ever nominate someone for lynching, and doesn't watch the thread. At least then you know you are getting rid of someone who doesn't watch the thread.

I have participated enough that I have sent Hagbard a PM about who I think is innocent, with (more than 2) reasons why I think they are innocent. There isn't a player out here who hasn't done something suspicious in any post, including 42's semi-posting.

But, I'm not here to debate who looks guilty and why, at least not in this post. I already gave my recommendations.

J.T.
04-01-2004, 04:18 PM
Gandalf, I can't currently find where you posted your scenario about the endgame, but you said something about coming all out in the final scenario. That is an option that I think we definitely need to think about. If we have a slayer left, we need to have ideally 4 people left before the EC makes their final move. Once the EC votes someone off (it is hopefully not the slayer and 3 left), HC needs to expose who is the slayer. Once that happens, successfully lynch one of the players. If the slayer chooses wrongly, then there is still the slayer's turn to get the correct EC member. It guarantees the student a win and true victory over the EC.

Ebenezer Kohl
04-01-2004, 04:53 PM
I think there are 19 live participants. Assuming the slayer lives to the end, students eliminate 19, 16, 13, 10, 7, and 4. Slayer eliminates 3. EC eliminates 2 and wins.

Unofficial Red Votes
duodenum (Avi, JT, Voter, RedSoxFan, ahow, 4sigma)
Zakarin (JT, Avi, RedSoxFan, 4sigma, Voter)
USCanuck (Voter, Anonymouse, Avi, 4sigma)
Asynchronous (Voter, Avi, 42)
Maine-iac (RedSoxFan, Traina)
4sigma (Rocky, Avi)
Voter (RedSoxFan, Maine-iac)
RedSoxFan (Avi)
plainM&M (ahow)
J. T. (42)

Gandalf
04-01-2004, 05:50 PM
We could pass earlier to get to JT's scenario about having the EC eliminate at #4. I'll evalute it if we get close, but I think it will turn out to be a very bad idea to pass.

What is more interesting, should it come to that point, is what we should do with 4 left, including slayer, and it is our turn. We can try to win, taking a 1/3 shot by students (1/3 since Hagbard will tell us our slayer). If we hit a student, there are 3 players left, and the slayer has a 50-50 shot at the EC. Total chances = 1/3 + (1/2)(2/3) = 2/3, if we are clueless except as to who our slayer is.

Suppose instead we pass. There are 4 players. Slayer hits 1 of the other 3, chance of success 1/3. If he misses, there are 3 left and it's the EC's turn. He has a 50-50 shot at our slayer; if he misses there are only 2 left, and our slayer can't miss. Our chances = 1/3+(1/2)(2/3) = 2/3, if we are clueless and the EC is clueless about the slayer (as he presumably is, if he hasn't hit him earlier).

So would we want the pressure of guessing right, or to put the EC under the pressure of getting it right?

The scenario won't happen: EC should be dead before that.

Ebenezer Kohl
04-01-2004, 06:08 PM
So would we want the pressure of guessing right, or to put the EC under the pressure of getting it right?

The scenario won't happen: EC should be dead before that.
I agree the EC won't make it that long. If hell does freeze over, then I vote the slayer shoots the arrow. I'd rather win with the slayer move than by EC mistake.

4sigma
04-01-2004, 06:38 PM
Unofficial Red Votes
duodenum (Avi, JT, Voter, RedSoxFan, ahow, 4sigma)
Zakarin (JT, Avi, RedSoxFan, 4sigma, Voter)
USCanuck (Voter, Anonymouse, Avi, 4sigma)
Asynchronous (Voter, Avi, 42)
Maine-iac (RedSoxFan, Traina)
4sigma (Rocky, Avi)
Voter (RedSoxFan, Maine-iac)
RedSoxFan (Avi)
plainM&M (ahow)
J. T. (42)Avi has voted for 6 people? I thought he had only voted for J.T.Unvote: duodenum
Vote: JT

Avi
04-01-2004, 06:44 PM
Unofficial Red Votes
duodenum (Avi, JT, Voter, RedSoxFan, ahow, 4sigma)
Zakarin (JT, Avi, RedSoxFan, 4sigma, Voter)
USCanuck (Voter, Anonymouse, Avi, 4sigma)
Asynchronous (Voter, Avi, 42)
Maine-iac (RedSoxFan, Traina)
4sigma (Rocky, Avi)
Voter (RedSoxFan, Maine-iac)
RedSoxFan (Avi)
plainM&M (ahow)
J. T. (42)Avi has voted for 6 people? I thought he had only voted for J.T.Unvote: duodenum
Vote: JT:lolup:

No, I cast aspersions on 6 people, I voted for JT.

Once again, I may have to reconsider here.

4sigma
04-01-2004, 06:47 PM
I wasn't sure if you were casting your own aspersions, or were recapping the aspersions that had been previously cast.

Avi
04-01-2004, 06:58 PM
I wasn't sure if you were casting your own aspersions, or were recapping the aspersions that had been previously cast.I was actually combining personal and communal aspersions into one casting :)

Macroman
04-01-2004, 07:15 PM
19 Students remain. The deadline for the students to choose a lynchee is Monday, 10:20 am est. 10 votes are needed to lynch outside of quorum. Deadline to reach quorum is Sunday morning, 10:20 with 13 votes needed for quorum.

4sigma, here's the time. I know this will make me look EC'ish, but taking forever to find someone to lynch is making the pace of this game much longer (and more boring). I don't think we should rush into this, but we've had almost everyone in the game respond with red votes. Since we aren't the ones picking the lynchers, do we really think that we need to wait until this weekend to vote? (BTW, if that is the concensus, I will try to log in this weekend and put my vote in).

I never see anyone anymore putting in any analysis of why to take someone off of the lynching list. For example, if I don't agree with someone's vote of RSF, then I should list out reasons why I think he shouldn't be put on the list. All we ever do is put people up for the ghosts to choose from.

Anyone heard from Macroman lately? Has he been around, or is he too depressed about Jables dying that he hasn't spoken?

I'm here. I haven't had much to say, and the lynchings have been during the daytime when I don't post much. I really have no idea who the remaining EC might be.

42
04-01-2004, 07:59 PM
I am not EC.Ha! Just the kind of lie you'd expect from a blackfoot EC! :evil: (Sorry, JT - I couldn't resist! :D )

And don't forget, she also changed her avatar to something cute and cuddly that nobody with a conscience could possibly lynch. To quote fallout: very suspicious. :wink:

JT is EC. I know it. I'm as sure that she is EC as I was that EBlackadder was EC in the last game. ... er ... um ... nevermind. :oops:

Seriously, I don't know. But I do think that there is some good circumstantial evidence against her, which is better than what we have on most people. OTOH, I have no problem lynching one of the quiet players for now, just as long as we don't forget to lynch JT's sorry EC ass later. :P

Gandalf
04-01-2004, 08:13 PM
Speaking of evidence, if anyone has pictures of JT in incriminating positions, please send them to the ghosts for inspection. :o

42
04-01-2004, 08:43 PM
Smack him, Polly!

BTW, guys, thanks for letting me have the last post on page 42. For old time's sake.

Gandalf
04-01-2004, 10:25 PM
Why would Polly care? She won't be in the pictures. NTTAWWT.

urysohn
04-01-2004, 10:35 PM
Why would Polly care? She won't be in the pictures.
Actually, in the pictures I saw,...never mind :oops:

Werewolf
04-02-2004, 01:21 AM
Vote: Voter

All Clear
04-02-2004, 01:49 AM
Voter in the past has gave me reasons to think he is EC. Quiet people have given me no reasons to think they are, in contrast. I am surprised, though, that it took me this long to realize that the only reason I don't suspect them is because they don't say anything... I don't know anymore, but I think quiet students don't help us contribute to lynching the correct person, while at least Voter has attempted to give ideas. In any case, since we all follow the ghost anyway, I'll put my vote toward a quiet one, coincidentally one that may get me a stapler.

Vote: Zakarin

Hagbard Celine
04-02-2004, 08:49 AM
11:45 it is.

Voter
04-02-2004, 09:27 AM
I agree with 4sigma - no need to rush here. Let's give the redlined players time to respond. I'm leaning towards voting for one who doesn't respond, or says the least. Otherwise, we're sending a message to the EC: just lay low and you're safe.

J.T.
04-02-2004, 09:32 AM
Speaking of evidence, if anyone has pictures of JT in incriminating positions, please send them to the ghosts for inspection. :o

I could send you pictures, but then I would have to kill you....oh wait, you are already dead. BWA-HAHAHAHA.

Too bad I'm not EC, since I could really get into this. :oops:

JT is EC. I know it. I'm as sure that she is EC as I was that EBlackadder was EC in the last game. ... er ... um ... nevermind. :oops:

My point is, slug, you weren't too great at picking 'em last time were you? And you've been playing a little low for the past couple of days, which made me suspect you, but I don't think you are the main one I want to go after. Personally, if I get to choose myself, I really want to go with duodenum.

RedSoxFan
04-02-2004, 09:32 AM
I can't come up with a particularly good reason why I'm not EC other than that Maine-iac and Voter have been a lot more suspicious than I have been.

Rocky
04-02-2004, 09:40 AM
I can't come up with a particularly good reason why I'm not EC other than that Maine-iac and Voter have been a lot more suspicious than I have been.

If RSF were EC, I'm thinking that George Steinbrenner would have had an "unfortunate accident" by now...capisca?

Gandalf
04-02-2004, 10:05 AM
Speaking of evidence, if anyone has pictures of JT in incriminating positions, please send them to the ghosts for inspection. :o

I could send you pictures, but then I would have to kill you....oh wait, you are already dead. BWA-HAHAHAHA.

Too bad I'm not EC, since I could really get into this. :oops:
It's hypothetical since I'm already dead, but, if I weren't, would it be worth it to see the pictures?

J.T.
04-02-2004, 10:08 AM
Speaking of evidence, if anyone has pictures of JT in incriminating positions, please send them to the ghosts for inspection. :o

I could send you pictures, but then I would have to kill you....oh wait, you are already dead. BWA-HAHAHAHA.

Too bad I'm not EC, since I could really get into this. :oops:
It's hypothetical since I'm already dead, but, if I weren't, would it be worth it to see the pictures?

Of course it would. I do all my killing in black leather....wait, you didn't notice that when you were offed? :kiss: :love: :lol:

Hagbard Celine
04-02-2004, 10:47 AM
Y'all have 1 hour to discuss matters further.

42
04-02-2004, 10:48 AM
I could send you pictures, but then I would have to kill you....oh wait, you are already dead. BWA-HAHAHAHA. If it laughs like an EC, and quacks like an EC ...

Ebenezer Kohl
04-02-2004, 11:20 AM
JT, remember that Hagbard posts the official selection, not me. :D (Just trying to scare her.)

J.T.
04-02-2004, 11:21 AM
JT, remember that Hagbard posts the official selection, not me. :D (Just trying to scare her.)

Are you saying that HC doesn't like black leather? :D

Mr. Penguin
04-02-2004, 11:26 AM
I do all my killing in black leather....

Sometimes it really sucks not to be in the game.

:(

Jables
04-02-2004, 11:29 AM
I do all my killing in black leather....

Sometimes it really sucks not to be in the game.

:(

Next time Pengy, next time... :)

Ebenezer Kohl
04-02-2004, 11:36 AM
Will your lynching scene involve black leather? It may be a good time to start thinking about such things.

Ebenezer Kohl
04-02-2004, 11:54 AM
11:45 it is.
I like the deadline feature. It heightens the anticipation. I'd be nervous if I hadn't been lynched previously. ;)

Hagbard Celine
04-02-2004, 11:56 AM
5 minutes late...not too bad! (I had someone in my "office").

Zakarin

I like black leather. A lot.

Asynchronous
04-02-2004, 11:59 AM
So would we want the pressure of guessing right, or to put the EC under the pressure of getting it right?

The scenario won't happen: EC should be dead before that.
I agree the EC won't make it that long. If hell does freeze over, then I vote the slayer shoots the arrow. I'd rather win with the slayer move than by EC mistake.

Except that if the slayer kills the EC then the slayer wins the stapler (and would deserve it). Assuming the odds are equal, why wouldn't we want to make the move ourselves and get a chance at the stapler. At that point it may come down to who is still in the running and whether they can persuade us to give them the chance vs. giving the slayer the chance.

Also, hopefully not too late but CubedBee has had reasonable charges brought against him and deserves a spot in the lineup.

(OK I was too late).

Traina
04-02-2004, 12:00 PM
Vote: Zakarin

Asynchronous
04-02-2004, 12:02 PM
Here we go again...

Vote: Zakarin

Jables
04-02-2004, 12:03 PM
:lol:

42
04-02-2004, 12:07 PM
Vote: Zakarin

I like knowing when HC will make his post - I can't watch the board all day like I used to do BITOD.

Ebenezer Kohl
04-02-2004, 12:07 PM
Maine-iac, :shake:

I don’t cast an official vote, but I would like to issue a challenge to duodenum and Zakarin. Submit a post. Let me make it more complicated. Once you click “Post Reply” look for the “font colour” drop down box. Select orange. Inside those parameters, type “Jables & Rocky” and click Submit. First correct response wins.

Go.
The challenge stills stands for duodenum. Maybe you just need it bumped so you can read it this weekend.

42
04-02-2004, 12:09 PM
I do all my killing in black leather....Sometimes it really sucks not to be in the game. :( Ummm ... need I remind you who cast the vote that put the last nail in the students' coffins on the last game, Mr. P?? :evil:
It's a good thing I'm not one to hold a grudge. :wink:

42
04-02-2004, 12:15 PM
I know there's been a lot of talk about this Swingline, and I know actuaries as a group are very cheap, but please tell me that there isn't anybody playing this game who would actually let the chance of winning a friggin' stapler change whether or not they would cheat or form an alliance with the EC. Please tell me actuaries are not that derelict! :shake:

USCanuck
04-02-2004, 12:16 PM
Vote: Zakarin

Sunny
04-02-2004, 12:31 PM
Is Avi dead yet?

Unfrozen Caveman Lawyer
04-02-2004, 12:52 PM
no, but i can still smell you.

RedSoxFan
04-02-2004, 12:52 PM
Zakarin

J.T.
04-02-2004, 01:00 PM
Vote: Zakarin

BTW 42, I don't really care who wins the stapler or that there is even a stapler involved, but it sure is fun to bring it up.

Maine-iac
04-02-2004, 01:11 PM
Vote: Zakarin

4sigma
04-02-2004, 01:28 PM
Vote: Zakarin
http://www.stopstart.fsnet.co.uk/smilie/hanged.gif

Mr. Penguin
04-02-2004, 01:31 PM
Current votes:

Zakarin 9
JT 2
4sigma 1
Voter 1

One more vote for Zakarin is needed to lynch. Oh, and we've reached the dreaded quorum.

Klaymen
04-02-2004, 01:39 PM
Unvote: whoever I last voted for (not Zakarin)
Vote: Zakarin

Mr. Penguin
04-02-2004, 01:40 PM
Done. :judge:

Voter
04-02-2004, 01:45 PM
Aw, why the announcement while I'm at lunch?

FWIW: Vote: Zakarin

Avi
04-02-2004, 02:11 PM
Is Avi dead yet?Reports of my demise have been greatly exaggerated. Anyway, you are not involved, at least under THAT ID :)

Ebenezer Kohl
04-02-2004, 02:22 PM
FWIW: Vote: Zakarin
Actually I think it is worth something. Gandalf is the expert on these matters but I have a concern that even though some students may be innocent, they may still hurt others in the end by not voting. Showing that you were willing to vote, even if after the fact, means something to me.

Asynchronous
04-02-2004, 02:27 PM
Yikes! I dissapear for a day and allmost get lynched!

Most recent post (in any forum) was March 26. How long are we giving him to post the account of his lynching (as if we weren't all there anyway...)

J.T.
04-02-2004, 02:29 PM
FWIW: Vote: Zakarin
Actually I think it is worth something. Gandalf is the expert on these matters but I have a concern that even though some students may be innocent, they may still hurt others in the end by not voting. Showing that you were willing to vote, even if after the fact, means something to me.

Yea, Voter, make sure you vote even if it's already decided, because if you don't EVERYONE will think you are EC. :roll:

4sigma
04-02-2004, 02:34 PM
Yikes! I dissapear for a day and allmost get lynched!

Most recent post (in any forum) was March 26. How long are we giving him to post the account of his lynching (as if we weren't all there anyway...)If he hasn't posted one in a few hours, maybe we should write it for him as a community effort, one line at a time. We should probably start a new thread for it, though.

Rocky
04-02-2004, 02:38 PM
Yikes! I dissapear for a day and allmost get lynched!

Most recent post (in any forum) was March 26. How long are we giving him to post the account of his lynching (as if we weren't all there anyway...)

Good point...Mr. P may have to give us the gist of Zakarin's player status in the game for the sake of keeping things moving...

Ebenezer Kohl
04-02-2004, 02:41 PM
Yea, Voter, make sure you vote even if it's already decided, because if you don't EVERYONE will think you are EC. :roll:
Driftwood don't vote now. EC doesn't vote in the beginning to avoid backlash. We all recognize how timid Jables was with the bandwagon votes. As long as the slayer doesn't take you out, the stapler will be mine!

J.T.
04-02-2004, 02:48 PM
Yea, Voter, make sure you vote even if it's already decided, because if you don't EVERYONE will think you are EC. :roll:
Driftwood don't vote now. EC doesn't vote in the beginning to avoid backlash. We all recognize how timid Jables was with the bandwagon votes. As long as the slayer doesn't take you out, the stapler will be mine!

Yea, well, BITE ME! :swear:

Gandalf
04-02-2004, 02:49 PM
Good point...Mr. P may have to give us the gist of Zakarin's player status in the game for the sake of keeping things moving...I'm hoping Mr. P gives us the info that the game is over.

Mr. Penguin
04-02-2004, 02:58 PM
Yea, well, BITE ME!

I've said it before.....


Sometimes it really sucks not to be in the game.

:(

J.T.
04-02-2004, 03:09 PM
Sometimes it really sucks not to be in the game.

:(

Sorry Penguin....here's a consolation prize for running the game. :bighug: :kiss: :love:

42
04-02-2004, 03:37 PM
Z's last post was on a Friday? Any chance he/she/it is on vacation this week? Bummer to get lynched on vacation. But also pretty stupid to go on vacation and not tell us here. :duh:

USCanuck
04-02-2004, 03:41 PM
Z's last post was on a Friday? Any chance he/she/it is on vacation this week? Bummer to get lynched on vacation. But also pretty stupid to go on vacation and not tell us here. :duh:

In that vein, I'm on vacation on Monday. lol

Klaymen
04-02-2004, 03:48 PM
Taking a break from your killing spree? :D

urysohn
04-02-2004, 04:04 PM
Z's last post was on a Friday? Any chance he/she/it is on vacation this week? Bummer to get lynched on vacation. But also pretty stupid to go on vacation and not tell us here. :duh:
Of course, it would have been a "perfect" EC ploy to say "I'm going on vacation and will be out of contact for the week." Then once the EC lynched someone, it couldn't have possibly been the vacationing student. Too obviously, and then there would be screams to lynch the sneaky EC. No win situation. But he should have told Mr. P, I'd think.

Asynchronous
04-02-2004, 04:22 PM
Z's last post was on a Friday? Any chance he/she/it is on vacation this week? Bummer to get lynched on vacation. But also pretty stupid to go on vacation and not tell us here. :duh:
Of course, it would have been a "perfect" EC ploy to say "I'm going on vacation and will be out of contact for the week." Then once the EC lynched someone, it couldn't have possibly been the vacationing student. Too obviously, and then there would be screams to lynch the sneaky EC. No win situation. But he should have told Mr. P, I'd think.

OK actually, he kind of told all of us:

Yikes! I dissapear for a day and allmost get lynched!

The reason for my silece is that I'm currently switching jobs and have to quiclky finish all the lovley hard work that I'm supposed to be doing while I'm really playing chess.. I was hoping to catch up to everything either tonight or tomorrow... this lynching moved way faster than I though it would (or could for that matter)

Now, we don't have to believe him, but at the least, that's his cover story. Notice the credibility-enhancing typos and transpositions.

But his lie on the last line gives him away - the pace of this game seems positively glacial!!

Mr. Penguin
04-02-2004, 04:37 PM
Yikes! I dissapear for a day and allmost get lynched!

The reason for my silece is that I'm currently switching jobs and have to quiclky finish all the lovley hard work that I'm supposed to be doing while I'm really playing chess.. I was hoping to catch up to everything either tonight or tomorrow... this lynching moved way faster than I though it would (or could for that matter)

Zakarin arrived at his new job in Gotham City, excited about the prospects that lay ahead. Bob from accounting told him all about the cafeteria and how delicious the soy alphabet soup was. At noon on his first day, he headed to the cafeteria and ordered a bowl. Upon taking his first sip, he keeled over dead. When Batman and Robin arrived, Robin quickly put the remnants of the soup into the Bat Thermos. Upon returning to the Bat Cave, they poured the rest of the soup into the special Bat Soup Portal on the Bat Computer.

As the results of the analysis fed out, Robin yelled out, "Holy Sh*t, Batman, there are only two letters in the soup!"

Batman replied, "What letters are those, old chum?"

"Just E and C, Batman. Was it the Joker, the Riddler, the Penguin, the Catwoman, the Actuary?"

"No, old buddy. This was another innocent student, killed by his fellow students who mistakenly thought him to be EC. For you see, this partiular broth is only made from the livers from the Mongolese Mongoose, a favorite of students everywhere. By the way, you look mighty cute in those tights"

Jables
04-02-2004, 04:57 PM
VOTE: ZAKARIN
:lol:
VOTE: ZAKARIN

:D


EXAM COMMITTEE NEVER WASES!!
:lol: cmu_stu :lol: Ebenezer Kohlx :lol: Polly Nomial :lol: Zakarin :lol:


Silly students... :)

Rocky
04-02-2004, 05:10 PM
VOTE: ZAKARIN
:lol:
VOTE: ZAKARIN

:D


EXAM COMMITTEE NEVER WASES!!
:lol: cmu_stu :lol: Ebenezer Kohlx :lol: Polly Nomial :lol: Zakarin :lol:


Silly students... :)

Slayer bait... :burn:

Gandalf
04-02-2004, 05:18 PM
Jables

Jable's partner

Make them pay!

-brought to you by Gandalf, Cho Da, Hagbard and Kenshiro, a group of Slayer Never Wases

42
04-02-2004, 05:27 PM
I know it's not in the rules, but can we whack Jack Black a second time, and this time make sure he's dead enough that he can't keep posting? :swear:

USCanuck
04-02-2004, 05:27 PM
Taking a break from your killing spree? :D

:rofl:

Jables
04-02-2004, 06:07 PM
Jables

Jable's partner

Make them pay!

-brought to you by Gandalf, Cho Da, Hagbard and Kenshiro, a group of Slayer Never Wases

I regret to inform you that the slayer must actually identify my partner by name. This entry from the slayer will void the students' chance of victory.

Jables
04-02-2004, 06:07 PM
I know it's not in the rules, but can we whack Jack Black a second time, and this time make sure he's dead enough that he can't keep posting? :swear:

Jealous?
( :-? )

Obi-Wan Kenobi
04-02-2004, 10:01 PM
I know there's been a lot of talk about this Swingline, and I know actuaries as a group are very cheap, but please tell me that there isn't anybody playing this game who would actually let the chance of winning a friggin' stapler change whether or not they would cheat or form an alliance with the EC. Please tell me actuaries are not that derelict! :shake:

42, actuaries are not that derelict. Actuaries are this derelict.

42
04-04-2004, 02:36 PM
"Just E and C, Batman.Are you sure the letters were E and C? In some fonts, the T can look like an E turned on its side, and the J can look like an upside-down C. :wink:

Sunny
04-04-2004, 02:46 PM
Is Avi dead yet?Reports of my demise have been greatly exaggerated. Anyway, you are not involved, at least under THAT ID :)

I have always loved Avi so very dearly from day one of my time here at the RF. Of course I have not followed all that is going on here but do feel free to reward me if I am right. But I just feel like Avi is shrewd enough to be on the committee. This is completely a suggestion out of random whim and not in the least scientific nor malicious. Just for the fun of it, and to stir up the situation just a bit more because I'm sick of studying, and of the innocent students being lynched. :evil:

Can Avi possibly be on the EC??? :-? Any thoughts why he can't be?

Sorry Avi, I do love ya, but methinks you are too smart to not have been chosen to be on the EC. eh eh eh..

And of course, as you all know, I am absolutely not even in this game, so please feel free to ignore me. I'm just bored. :roll:

Mr. Penguini, feel free to kick my a$$ if my post is indeed not even kosher. :D It'd be funny if Avi turns out to be the brilliant slayer, in that case, oops, my bad. Please forgive me people.

Avi
04-04-2004, 03:54 PM
While I appreciate your vote of confidence, I should remind you that Penguin said that no one was "chosen" for being EC or slayer, but that they were detrmined based on the outcome of a random number generator :(

Sunny
04-04-2004, 04:07 PM
i c

Avi
04-04-2004, 04:15 PM
i cic<>ec ;)

urysohn
04-04-2004, 09:30 PM
Can Avi possibly be on the EC??? :-? Any thoughts why he can't be?

Even if he isn't, don't we have a long-standing tradition of lynching innocent students?
If he is EC --> Yay, we lynched an EC!
If he is not EC --> Yay, we lynched Avi!
Where's the problem? :-?

Avi
04-04-2004, 10:23 PM
Can Avi possibly be on the EC??? :-? Any thoughts why he can't be?

Even if he isn't, don't we have a long-standing tradition of lynching innocent students?
If he is EC --> Yay, we lynched an EC!
If he is not EC --> Yay, we lynched Avi!
Where's the problem? :-?

Isn't roasted lizard a delicacy in some places :evil:

I see my post count is really getting under your scaly skin :dsmile:

Sunny
04-04-2004, 11:33 PM
Can Avi possibly be on the EC??? :-? Any thoughts why he can't be?

Even if he isn't, don't we have a long-standing tradition of lynching innocent students?
If he is EC --> Yay, we lynched an EC!
If he is not EC --> Yay, we lynched Avi!
Where's the problem? :-?

:rofl:

Isn't roasted lizard a delicacy in some places :evil:

I see my post count is really getting under your scaly skin :dsmile:

:notworth:

urysohn
04-05-2004, 08:21 AM
I see my post count is really getting under your scaly skin :dsmile:
Right about now, your priorities should be:
1. Studying for May exams
2. Finding EC

(distant) 3. Worrying about post count

Must be a lot easier taking care of (3) when you know exactly who that last EC is, eh?

Maine-iac
04-05-2004, 08:50 AM
Taking Urysohn's sage advice, I was spending a quiet weekend studying diligently for CAS 8. After a few too many hours, the various option strategies were spinning in my brain, and I became increasingly muddled. I welcomed the knock on my door as a much needed break. I smiled as I saw who was there. "Come in!", I cried. "After a full day with Hull, it's good to see a friendly face. Now that Jables is gone, I hope my odds of passing this exam have improved. If I could just remember the difference between a strangle and a straddle." "Not a problem" said my visitor, "Just let me demonstrate the strangle to you, EC scum!"

I tried to protest my innocence before the slayer made his terrible mistake, but everything was going black . . . .

Gandalf
04-05-2004, 08:54 AM
:cry:

You shall be avenged. Death to the EC! And to the slug while we're at it, though I think it's unlikely they're the same.

urysohn
04-05-2004, 09:23 AM
I tried to protest my innocence before the slayer made his terrible mistake, but everything was going black . . . .
Before slipping back into the night, the Slayer stands over Maine-iac's deceased body and with a slight kick tells her, "We don't put up with any of that pro-Black Bear talk in these parts."

Klaymen
04-05-2004, 09:25 AM
Good one Maineiac! I'm studying for part 8, I'll make sure to remember my strangles and straddles so I don't have to be reminded...

Ebenezer Kohl
04-05-2004, 09:56 AM
Sorry, Maine-iac, though I wouldn't have obJecTed to your slaying after your stapler remark. Good luck on your exam.

Unofficial stapler updates (http://actuary.ca/phpBB/viewtopic.php?p=477577#477577) are on the second post of the first thread.

42
04-05-2004, 10:33 AM
Hmmm ... Gandalf and Maine-iac are both innocent students this time. Maybe lightning doesn't strike twice. :o

Avi
04-05-2004, 11:21 AM
I see my post count is really getting under your scaly skin :dsmile:
Right about now, your priorities should be:
1. Studying for May exams
2. Finding EC

(distant) 3. Worrying about post count

Must be a lot easier taking care of (3) when you know exactly who that last EC is, eh?

1) I've just about given up :wall: :crying:


2) It's still a crapshoot.

3) I'm anticipating komodo steaks soon :dsmile:

Gandalf
04-05-2004, 11:24 AM
Hmmm ... Gandalf and Maine-iac are both innocent students this time. Maybe lightning doesn't strike twice. :o
1. Maybe Meshuga or Tom Servo is playing under another id.

2. Soon salt may strike for a second time.

the mole
04-05-2004, 12:12 PM
2. Soon salt may strike for a second time.

You can trust Gandalf on this.

All Clear
04-05-2004, 01:44 PM
Hmmm ... Gandalf and Maine-iac are both innocent students this time. Maybe lightning doesn't strike twice. :o

I'm still hurting from that comment you made a week ago, when I said lighting doesn't strike twice, and got told any actuary should know that isn't the case.... its a saying, damn it.

No stapler for me, and I would like to apologize to Zakarin for suspecting him. Hope no hard feelings exist when you return to the RF.

Asynchronous
04-05-2004, 02:08 PM
Detective Doyle surveyed the scene with the detached manner of a man with too many vices and not enough women. He flipped open his notebook to a clean page and began jotting observations. "Asynchronous…" he mused, "What kind of a sorry excuse for a name is that?" The body lay on the floor with a grisly wound to the neck. Crude and messy. A standard-issue slayer’s sword remained in his limp grasp. The body was clothed in dark robes with a hood still covering the face. Lifting it revealed the victim’s face, eyes agape, teeth clenched in a morbid combination of determination and horror. On his forehead, two letters had been branded into his skull before he had even been dead. The grim calling card still simmered with an evil stench. Doyle jotted the terse epitaph in his notebook. "EC"

Moving to the desk, he examined a few issues of Vigilante Weekly. The subscription used a PO Box under the name Alan Smithee. On the wall hung a number of certificates, including a framed diploma from Stuart’s Slayer School. "Odd," he thought. "Slayers ought to be a secretive lot. Tend to wind up dead if the EC catches even a whiff of what they’re up to."

Stuart’s Slayer School… Now that was odd. Correspondence school. All this guy needed to get that diploma was three box tops from Lucky Charms and 15 bucks for "shipping and handling." He went back to the body and examined the cloak. It was made of a cheap, ratty material – just the thing to make a noise or knock over a vase at an inopportune moment. He examined the sword. It was duller than his aunt’s vacation photos.

Doyle called back to base. "We were wrong, but so was the EC. This sorry bloke wasn’t a slayer. Just a poseur. A regular student like the rest of us."

"So the slayer is still alive?"

"Yes, he’s out there. But so is the other EC." Doyle hung up and headed out the door. This hapless wannabe had bought them more time, but at the cost of his life. "Death to the EC," he thought. There was still more work to do.

urysohn
04-05-2004, 02:12 PM
Nice scene, Asynch! I was down to the bottom before I realized the EC had missed! :tup:

Lucky for the EC, they still got an innocent student. But their track record's not looking a whole lot better than the students'.

42
04-05-2004, 02:12 PM
Has anybody noticed that "All Clear" has the letters E and C in his name? :wink:

... its a saying, d*mn it.Still trying to explain yourself? Ha! Exactly the type of behavior one would expect from EC. Lynch him! Lynch him now!
:swear: What's that? We're still waiting for the EC to execute somebody? OK, we'll wait until they're done, and then we'll lynch him!

Edited to note that, while I was posting this, Asynchronous posted his death scene. Dammit - there goes my stapler! :roll:

Gandalf
04-05-2004, 02:13 PM
Great scene, Asynchronous. You have our gratitude for fooling the EC into thinking you were the slayer.

urysohn
04-05-2004, 02:15 PM
Remaining players, for those of us who are starting to have trouble keeping up (reads cleaner with the dead ones removed altogether):

42
Traina
RedSoxFan
CubedBee
Voter
plain M&M
Avi
USCanuck
duodenum
All Clear
Rocky
Anonymouse
Macroman
4sigma
J.T.
werewolf

J.T.
04-05-2004, 02:28 PM
Great scene, Asynchronous. :D

p.s. Sorry about your death. :(

4sigma
04-05-2004, 02:29 PM
Great obituary, Asynch! Colorful imagery. Did you just dash that off, or have you been expecting your imminent demise? Either way, may your untimely death be avenged.

We have until Thursday morning to perform a lynching. What does everyone think of discussion until Wednesday noon Eastern time?

Since we're pretty much guessing randomly and allowing the ghosts to protect our slayer/innocents, I think it's time to hold some new feet to the fire. Anyone else think All Clear may not be so clear after all? Or it may finally be time for a good salting. 42, anyone?

Edited upon Gandalf's sage advice to temporarily abstain from the use of salt.

42
04-05-2004, 02:30 PM
Earlier, somebody mentioned that they were suspicious of certain players not so much because they were quiet in this game, but because they were quiet here while posting proliferously elsewhere. Yesterday afternoon, since there was little activity in this game, I took the time to review how many times the remaining players had posted to this thread, how many posts they had made in the past month, and the ratio of the first number to the second. (I removed Maine-iac and Asynchronous, who, incidentally, had the greatest ratio of posts here to posts in the past month before being unceremoniously whacked by the EC.) I make no representations about my ability to add numbers correctly, but here's what I found:

Player ........ Posts Here ......... Posts This Month ......... Ratio
CubedBee ……… 17 ……… 234 ……… 7%
werewolf ……… 11 ……… 126 ……… 9%
duodenum ……… 3 ……… 34 ……… 9%
RedSoxFan ……… 23 ……… 181 ……… 13%
Avi ……… 71 ……… 520 ……… 14%
Rocky ……… 35 ……… 205 ……… 17%
All Clear ……… 10 ……… 43 ……… 23%
Anonymouse ……… 30 ……… 108 ……… 28%
USCanuck ……… 15 ……… 46 ……… 33%
Traina ……… 39 ……… 100 ……… 39%
4sigma ……… 58 ……… 146 ……… 40%
Macroman ……… 26 ……… 59 ……… 44%
Voter ……… 87 ……… 191 ……… 46%
J.T. ……… 41 ……… 82 ……… 50%
plain M&M ……… 26 ……… 50 ……… 52%
42 ……… 41 ……… 69 ……… 59%

If we're concerned about players who are posting a lot elsewhere but being uncharacteristically quiet here, I would focus my suspicions on CubedBee or werewolf.

Of course, we should still keep J.T. on our radar, because it's fun to watch her rant about how she's not EC when we all know that she really is. :wink:

4sigma
04-05-2004, 02:35 PM
42, does your 41 posts in this thread include the current post, or are you up to 42 now? :)

42
04-05-2004, 02:37 PM
I think it's time to hold some new feet to the fire.Check the avatar. What makes you think I have feet? :slug:

42, does your 41 posts in this thread include the current post, or are you up to 42 now? :) This was as of Sunday afternoon. I'm past 42 now. :D

Gandalf
04-05-2004, 02:38 PM
Thanks for the list. It still isn't easy to be sure which one is EC, but I know which is vulnerable to salt.

I still lean toward taking out someone fairly quiet this round. duodenum? USCanuck? Or maybe we conclude that the EC saw us try a very quiet one and would have spoken up, so we should hit someone who's only slightly more talkative: a CubedBee, Macroman, or All Clear.

Avi, 4sigma, JT, Voter and the slug are talking the most. Let's give them a pass for now, figuring that if they're guilty (and there are some suspicious elements about all of them), it will become even clearer before we have to make our final commitment. Anyway, the EC has been hitting talkers. Let them weed out that group for us. (Heck, I thought Asynchronous was one of the more likely to be EC.)

Remember: if you have strong feelings that anyone is NOT EC, tell Hagbard. I thought Maine-iac was a reasonable choice for the slayer, but if anyone wants to try to keep someone off the target list, let Hagbard know.

(edited, based on 42's list, to replace Traina with All Clear. I know my orderings don't exactly match his frequencies, but if his count is right Traina shouldn't be called quiet or relatively quiet.)

Ebenezer Kohl
04-05-2004, 02:45 PM
My heart sank when I thought the slayer was dead. Very well written, Asynchronous.

Remaining players are updated by Mr. P on page 1 first post as well as stapler voting by me on page 1 second post.

I suggest keep throwing new hats into the potential lynching list (but seeing JT squirm is quite fun).

One could reason the EC would be more committed to posting to this thread. Perhaps they would not have increased posts here but they may decrease posts elsewhere to give more consideration to their posts. As 42 came back to participate here, I am not shocked by his percentage. Neither am I concerned with (the EC) JT as she has been responding to (correct) accusations. Macroman and plain M&M leap off the list to me as potential EC.

4sigma
04-05-2004, 02:48 PM
I think it's time to hold some new feet to the fire.Check the avatar. What makes you think I have feet? :slug:
Well, you're just lucky Gandalf is sticking up for you, or I would go back and edit that to read "appendages."

42
04-05-2004, 03:13 PM
Yeah, Gandalf has a funny way of sticking up for me! But if the constant "salt the slug" taunting from Obi Wan Kenobi, Urysohn, the mole, Cho Da, and Gandalf hasn't made me sweat yet, what makes you think that being voted for will? Face it - I'm calm in stressful situations. You won't see me squirming to save my sorry purple ass. No sirree. :D

OK, wait for it. Start the count. One, two, three, four ... How long will it take?

J.T.
04-05-2004, 03:18 PM
Neither am I concerned with (the EC) JT as she has been responding to (correct) accusations.

If you notice, I haven't been responding (much) to the accusations, but playing up the fact that all ya'll (note the proper southern usuage) think that I am EC.

Wow, I've made 82 posts this month (I'm assuming that's March)? I didn't think I have made that many, but if we prolong this game much further, I'll be up to 1000 in no time. (It only took me close to 2 years).

And, I'd like to offer up Cubed, werewolf, duo, or RSF.

J.T.
04-05-2004, 03:22 PM
One last thing: I don't know about the rest of you, but I have plans on Friday, and won't be able to participate (Big fishing tournament: no computer access). Combined with studying on Saturday, and my son's first time to hunt eggs on Sunday, I won't be able to contribute much after Thursday afternoon. I will probably be able to check in Friday night, and maybe a couple of times on Saturday, but Sunday will almost definitely be a bust.

J.T.
04-05-2004, 03:24 PM
Yeah, Gandalf has a funny way of sticking up for me! But if the constant "salt the slug" taunting from Obi Wan Kenobi, Urysohn, the mole, Cho Da, and Gandalf hasn't made me sweat yet, what makes you think that being voted for will? Face it - I'm calm in stressful situations. You won't see me squirming to save my sorry purple ass. No sirree. :D

OK, wait for it. Start the count. One, two, three, four ... How long will it take?

Oh, and to make it really interesting, the most prolific poster should be thrown in too....42

Salt the slug :slug: .

cubedbee
04-05-2004, 03:26 PM
Very well-written death scene. Looks like you gave us all a scare.

As far as 42's analysis goes, I think it's crap. Why look at posts from the last month, when this thread didn't start until the 12th? And the entrants weren't finalized and real discussion started until the 17th? In my case, if we look at posts from the 17th onward, I have 16 out of 84, a huge difference. Notice which end of the spectrum the slug is on. No wonder he wants us to accept this analysis.

Anway, I'm back to work after my surgery/drug stupor and I should start posting more frequently like my normal self (both here and on the RF in general.)

J.T.
04-05-2004, 03:31 PM
As far as 42's analysis goes, I think it's crap. Why look at posts from the last month, when this thread didn't start until the 12th? And the entrants weren't finalized and real discussion started until the 17th? In my case, if we look at posts from the 17th onward, I have 16 out of 84, a huge difference. Notice which end of the spectrum the slug is on. No wonder he wants us to accept this analysis.

Not sure if I will say that it's crap, but I definitely agree with not looking at the entire month. I would think we start looking around the 15th or so, but hey, I don't have the time to do that, so....why don't we just salt the :slug: ?

Gandalf
04-05-2004, 03:31 PM
One last thing: I don't know about the rest of you, but I have plans on Friday, and won't be able to participate (Big fishing tournament: no computer access). Combined with studying on Saturday, and my son's first time to hunt eggs on Sunday, I won't be able to contribute much after Thursday afternoon. I will probably be able to check in Friday night, and maybe a couple of times on Saturday, but Sunday will almost definitely be a bust.
Since we won't have any new posts to analyze, it's more important than ever we have those photos in leather to evaluate.

urysohn
04-05-2004, 03:43 PM
But if the constant "salt the slug" taunting from ...Urysohn...hasn't made me sweat yet
The only salt I'm interested in is as a condiment for the deep fried bird y'all should be serving up. ;)

urysohn
04-05-2004, 03:44 PM
Since we won't have any new posts to analyze, it's more important than ever we have those photos in leather to evaluate.
A fine point from our wizardly friend, and one I think we can all agree on!

Voter
04-05-2004, 03:46 PM
The amount of work that went into :slug: 's analysis is mighty suspicious. Or it's just made up (no one in their right mind is going to bother checking it), which is equally suspicious. :evil:

When it rains, it pours...
http://www.mortonsalt.com/images/products/IodizedPlain_Salt.jpg

PS - Great death scene! :)

Jables
04-05-2004, 03:49 PM
Here come the students again to lynch one of their own! :D

EXAM COMMITTEE NEVER WASES!!
:lol: cmu_stu :lol: Ebenezer Kohlx :lol: Polly Nomial :lol: Zakarin :lol:


Silly students... :)

42
04-05-2004, 03:52 PM
As far as 42's analysis goes, I think it's crap. Oooooo ... sounds like somebody's a little grumpy this morning? Not enough sleep last night? You weren't up late again last night thinking up impossible questions to put on the next actuarial exam now, were you? :wink:

Why look at posts from the last month, when this thread didn't start until the 12th? And the entrants weren't finalized and real discussion started until the 17th?Because the search feature on the RO doesn't allow you to search back to a certain date: you can search for the past two weeks or the past month, but nothing in between.

Notice which end of the spectrum the slug is on.Yeah, funny how that worked out, huh! Pure coincidence, I assure you. :D :oops: :D

42
04-05-2004, 03:55 PM
If you notice, I haven't been responding (much) to the accusations, but playing up the fact that all ya'll (note the proper southern usuage) think that I am EC.A true southerner would have known that the apostrophe in y'all goes after the y, not the a. OTOH, I do have to give you points for using the correct southern spelling of usuage. :wink:

Gandalf
04-05-2004, 04:00 PM
Why look at posts from the last month, when this thread didn't start until the 12th? And the entrants weren't finalized and real discussion started until the 17th?Because the search feature on the RO doesn't allow you to search back to a certain date: you can search for the past two weeks or the past month, but nothing in between.
Posts are displayed in order by posted date. There is little extra effort to count how many posts were after the 12th or 17th.

Maybe we should conclude 42 has made sufficient posts in this thread as a player; enforce a limit, even.

J.T.
04-05-2004, 04:23 PM
Since we won't have any new posts to analyze, it's more important than ever we have those photos in leather to evaluate.

As requested:

http://iquebec.ifrance.com/catwoman/catwoman/meriwether/Meriwether_Catwoman-002.jpg

J.T.
04-05-2004, 04:26 PM
Of course, this is me at the office (I even change hair color) so everyone doesn't recognize me.

http://imedia.brylane.com/images/roamans/dt/0509_48622_dt.jpg

Avi
04-05-2004, 04:36 PM
Player ........ Posts Here ......... Posts This Month ......... Ratio
CubedBee ……… 17 ……… 234 ……… 7%
werewolf ……… 11 ……… 126 ……… 9%
duodenum ……… 3 ……… 34 ……… 9%
RedSoxFan ……… 23 ……… 181 ……… 13%
Avi ……… 71 ……… 520 ……… 14%
Rocky ……… 35 ……… 205 ……… 17%
All Clear ……… 10 ……… 43 ……… 23%
Anonymouse ……… 30 ……… 108 ……… 28%
USCanuck ……… 15 ……… 46 ……… 33%
Traina ……… 39 ……… 100 ……… 39%
4sigma ……… 58 ……… 146 ……… 40%
Macroman ……… 26 ……… 59 ……… 44%
Voter ……… 87 ……… 191 ……… 46%
J.T. ……… 41 ……… 82 ……… 50%
plain M&M ……… 26 ……… 50 ……… 52%
42 ……… 41 ……… 69 ……… 59%

If we're concerned about players who are posting a lot elsewhere but being uncharacteristically quiet here, I would focus my suspicions on CubedBee or werewolf.

Of course, we should still keep J.T. on our radar, because it's fun to watch her rant about how she's not EC when we all know that she really is. :wink:

I think that we should throw Voter under the bus, cough, into the mix as well for his fascination with this thread, but I'm still going to Vote: RedSoxfan due to the Jables connection.

On a side note, 520 posts this month, that's about the total of the next 3 combined :burn:

Where is that lizard :dsmile:

Avi
04-05-2004, 04:39 PM
But if the constant "salt the slug" taunting from ...Urysohn...hasn't made me sweat yet
The only salt I'm interested in is as a condiment for the deep fried bird y'all should be serving up. ;)Question: How does one kill a lizard in cold blood?

Answer: Easily, they're always cold-blooded :burn:

Jables
04-05-2004, 04:41 PM
...but I'm still going to Vote: RedSoxfan due to the Jables connection.

Don't you remember Penguini saying the choices were random? :lol:

Obi-Wan Kenobi
04-05-2004, 04:48 PM
Answer: Easily, they're always cold-blooded :burn:

So are slugs. And you can pre-salt them before cooking!

Gandalf
04-05-2004, 04:49 PM
Based on those pictures JT posted, lynch is not my first choice.

Ebenezer Kohl
04-05-2004, 04:52 PM
...but I'm still going to Vote: RedSoxfan due to the Jables connection.

Don't you remember Penguini saying the choices were random? :lol:
:crazy: But the connection you made after Ps choices still stands. :crazy:

ahow
04-05-2004, 04:56 PM
My posthumous opinion is RSF or PlainM&M.

4sigma
04-05-2004, 04:56 PM
Based on those pictures JT posted, lynch is not my first choice.I agree. Those don't look like EC pix to me. More like a slayer.

Gandalf
04-05-2004, 04:59 PM
I think that we should throw Voter under the bus, cough, into the mix as well for his fascination with this thread, but I'm still going to Vote: RedSoxfan due to the Jables connection.
Red is better than bold. There's no reason to trigger the quorum rule before Hagbard is ready, and it could be a disaster to lynch someone without Hagbard's OK.

Rocky
04-05-2004, 05:18 PM
I guess that I could just cut and paste this each round...4sigma and I'll go along with keeping 42 under watch. Were there any slimy trails to or from the EC crime scenes?

4sigma
04-05-2004, 05:28 PM
I guess that I could just cut and paste this each round...4sigma and I'll go along with keeping 42 under watch. Were there any slimy trails to or from the EC crime scenes?Rocky, I want to buy you a gift certificate for Tower Records so you can learn a new song or two....

ahow
04-05-2004, 05:37 PM
J.T. beat me in Rock-Paper-Scissors!!! EC killed me twice!!!

42
04-05-2004, 06:35 PM
Wow. That 42 guy sure is getting a lot of votes. Wouldn't want to be him/her/it. :shake:

All Clear
04-05-2004, 06:39 PM
I think the work that 42 does, suspicous or not, only helps us. Like Gandalf, much of the stuff 42 throws out are things that we may not have thought of doing, or thought of realizing. I don't know if he would continue to do this as a ghost, and I therefore support abandoning the "salt the slug" battlecry. After reading season 2 of this game, I wish others had listened to him closer. I don't understand the RSF connection to Jables (though it could be I forgot it many pages ago), and therefore put my vote toward the other notoriously quiet one. Duodenum

Obi-Wan Kenobi
04-05-2004, 06:47 PM
I therefore support abandoning the "salt the slug" battlecry.

NEVER!

I don't care if you actually do it. It's just a cool battlecry. The mole might have a different opinion, though.

4sigma
04-05-2004, 07:02 PM
unofficial preliminary vote summary:

RSF: 3
42: 3
Duodedum: 3
CubedBee: 3
Werewolf: 2
Plain M&M: 2
All Clear: 2
Macroman: 2
USCanuck: 1
J.T. 1
4sigma: 1
Voter: 1
Rocky: 0
Traina: 0
Avi: 0
Anonymouse: 0

Edited because I had listed Plain M&M twice, and left out Rocky. How could I forget Rocky?

A little cluttered, since there are 16 people left and 13 receiving votes. Of the leaders, I am most suspicious of CubedBee. Avi and Anonymous have been high on the suspect list from time to time. Do we really think Traina is so innocent?



In terms of discussion schedule, is everyone OK with continuing discussion through tomorrow,and a lynching starting noon Eastern Time Wednesday? Hagbard, what's your agenda like?

Werewolf
04-05-2004, 07:20 PM
If we're concerned about players who are posting a lot elsewhere but being uncharacteristically quiet here, I would focus my suspicions on CubedBee or werewolf.

Of course, we should still keep J.T. on our radar, because it's fun to watch her rant about how she's not EC when we all know that she really is. :wink:

I feel like I should only post in two situations: to add something to a quality discussion, or to pad my post count in the Reef. Since the latter is quicker, I do it when I only have a couple of free moments. Since I feel that there isn't much strategy to this game, I haven't participated much in the debate.

However, I do believe that J.T. is suspicious. :D

Obi-Wan Kenobi
04-05-2004, 08:01 PM
SALT THE SLUG

Rocky
04-05-2004, 08:45 PM
I guess that I could just cut and paste this each round...4sigma and I'll go along with keeping 42 under watch. Were there any slimy trails to or from the EC crime scenes?Rocky, I want to buy you a gift certificate for Tower Records so you can learn a new song or two....

Any song sung to the tune of your limp body swinging from a high oak tree will do just fine.not exactly something you can dance to, I know

Asynchronous
04-05-2004, 08:58 PM
Great obituary, Asynch! Colorful imagery. Did you just dash that off, or have you been expecting your imminent demise?
Thanks - I had come up with an idea over the weekend to begin posting in a manner that would create suspicion of myself to see if I could trick the EC into slaying me and saving the slayer for another round. I logged in Monday AM to find out that the EC had murdered me before I had made a single post in pursuit of this plan. :swear:

So with the idea in mind but never implemented or drafted, I quickly wrote my obituary and posted it. One additional comment - at the end, during the twist, I had originally intended to link "poseur" to this movie (http://www.talker.com/john/mov/starwarskid/star-wars-kid-orig.wmv) (the infamous Star Wars Kid) but I forgot to do so when posting. Oh well, it probably reads better as is, and I greatly appreciate the positive response. I can't be the only actuary who got a higher English/verbal score than math on their ACT/SAT, can I?? Perhaps I will become the Wil Wheaton (http://www.wilwheaton.net) of actuaries. :crazy:

I find that odd, as I wasn't aware of anything I had (yet) done to warrant suspicion. The only player I hadn't merely bandwagoned for lynching was Cho Da, and look how that turned out. Maybe that made me appear slayer-like: by not actively campaigning against anyone, I appeared to be present but avoiding suspicion. Or maybe it was just an unlucky roll of the dice. Regardless, I'm glad that the real slayer lives to avenge me, and that the rest of you were appreciative of the manner in which I announced my departure from the Earthly realm.

urysohn
04-05-2004, 09:51 PM
Wow. That 42 guy sure is getting a lot of votes. Wouldn't want to be him/her/it. :shake:
You DID get the memo, yes? Once you change your name, you can not change it back. Not even glenn can help you. Maybe you can sweet-talk Obiwan into using the Force to help you out.
42 is no more!

RedSoxFan
04-05-2004, 10:30 PM
I'm still most suspicious of Voter

cubedbee
04-05-2004, 10:49 PM
Can Avi possibly be on the EC??? :-? Any thoughts why he can't be?

Even if he isn't, don't we have a long-standing tradition of lynching innocent students?
If he is EC --> Yay, we lynched an EC!
If he is not EC --> Yay, we lynched Avi!
Where's the problem? :-?

This is sound logic. I am convinced. I'm voting for Avi.

Can anyone please re-explain the Jables-Redsox connection? I missed it, and this thread is too long to read back through carefully. If its a legitimate connection, I'd be willing to change my vote.

Macroman
04-05-2004, 10:54 PM
Voter

RedSoxFan
04-05-2004, 11:05 PM
Can Avi possibly be on the EC??? :-? Any thoughts why he can't be?

Even if he isn't, don't we have a long-standing tradition of lynching innocent students?
If he is EC --> Yay, we lynched an EC!
If he is not EC --> Yay, we lynched Avi!
Where's the problem? :-?

This is sound logic. I am convinced. I'm voting for Avi.

Can anyone please re-explain the Jables-Redsox connection? I missed it, and this thread is too long to read back through carefully. If its a legitimate connection, I'd be willing to change my vote.

It was something how when Anonymouse voted for me and Jables voted for someone, Jables said he would unvote his person of Anonymouse unvoted me. The thing is, the reason they unvoted was completely unrelated to the people they voted for (though I can't remember now what it was). So in short, no, its not legitimate.

ahow
04-06-2004, 12:20 AM
Wow. That 42 guy sure is getting a lot of votes. Wouldn't want to be him/her/it. :shake:
You DID get the memo, yes? Once you change your name, you can not change it back. Not even glenn can help you. Maybe you can sweet-talk Obiwan into using the Force to help you out.
42 is no more!Wrong. I got ahow back. I'm not sure how, but I did... Actually I think maybe I got it back because 2pac took it in between. You might think about using an alt-id and changing its name to urysohn, changing it again and then trying to get urysohn again. It could work...

ahow
04-06-2004, 12:20 AM
So in short, no, its not legitimate.You WOULD say that you EC scum!!!

USCanuck
04-06-2004, 12:29 AM
Too much pointing the finger at other people.

Voter

Mr. Penguin
04-06-2004, 01:03 AM
In terms of discussion schedule, is everyone OK with continuing discussion through tomorrow,and a lynching starting noon Eastern Time Wednesday? Hagbard, what's your agenda like?

Feel free to use time as you like. However, I will not be around all that much over the next few days, so it will be tough for me to keep track of what's going on here, but if you hit a majority of votes, a lynching is a lynching. Deadline to lynch is 2 pm Thursday. 16 remaining players. 9 votes needed for lynching.

Gandalf
04-06-2004, 08:54 AM
It looks like the unofficial top suspects (4sigma's list, updated)

Voter: 4
RSF: 3
42: 3
Duodedum: 3
CubedBee: 3

We might consider RSF the most likely of the 3's, since he chose Voter after 4sigma's list came out, with RSF on top. I think that's as good a way as any to choose a top suspect among those 4, even though it did give Voter only his second nomination.

Remember, if you think you know why anyone is NOT EC, PM Hagbard, especially if it's Voter or RSF. Hagbard will protect the slayer, and the random process could spare anyone, but our chances are best if Hagbard also protects those who we have figured out are innocent.

Voter
04-06-2004, 09:04 AM
:blah: Hopefully the ghosts are smart enough to know that I just mouth off because - well, that's what I do! :) That's the only reason I get votes.

OTOH, with RSF we have the Jables connection. Cubedbee is suspicious from his lack of participation (unless you buy the dental alibi, of course).

Unsuggest: 42

SUGGEST: REDSOXFAN

J.T.
04-06-2004, 09:10 AM
RSF, you've got your reasons for being suspicious.

RSF

Gandalf
04-06-2004, 09:12 AM
Looks like I had the top two, anyway. :P

CubedBee had the chance to piggyback on Voter just after RedSoxFan, but instead suggested Avi. A mere straw, but it's a reason to keep him at the bottom of the 3's. With Voter's change, 42 is no longer among the 3's, but still could be salted.

urysohn
04-06-2004, 09:32 AM
...Once you change your name, you can not change it back...Wrong. I got ahow back. I'm not sure how, but I did... Actually I think maybe I got it back because 2pac took it in between. You might think about using an alt-id and changing its name to urysohn, changing it again and then trying to get urysohn again. It could work...
I tried, but it wouldn't let me change the alternate ID to "urysohn". Still got the ID already taken message. Must be some sort of weighting scheme involved, where they retire certain IDs into the poster hall-of-fame or something. Yeah, that's it. ;)

Gandalf
04-06-2004, 10:00 AM
Things are developing fast at the Water Cooler. Alas, Jables took me out in a blatantly EC stunt. No students survive both here and there, but he still could be stopped by Bama Gambler or by Maine-iac, who has reached the finals.

http://www.casact.org/forum/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=14&t=003985&p=2

Jables
04-06-2004, 10:02 AM
Hey, I'm in the Final Four! Could a dirty EC member win it all?

RedSoxFan
04-06-2004, 10:08 AM
OTOH, with RSF we have the Jables connection. Cubedbee is suspicious from his lack of participation (unless you buy the dental alibi, of course).


This is obviously something someone on the EC would say to defend himself: I just finished saying why the Jables connection is illegitimate yet he uses that as the basis of his vote!

Gandalf
04-06-2004, 10:08 AM
Hey, I'm in the Final Four! Could a dirty EC member win it all?
Not if I spent as much time there as here. No consecutive posts, so I can't take you out immediately.

But unless some poster tries to combine two matches into a single post :shake: , I will be eligible to announce the results of the final match.

Maybe we could deal: you give up your EC partner here (this round); you win there.

Ebenezer Kohl
04-06-2004, 10:10 AM
Jables-RedSoxFan Connection on Page 7 (http://actuary.ca/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=26362&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=150)

I vote for RedSoxFan.

Vote: Anonymouse

Sox fans gotta stick together. This vote will probably change however if a new bandwagon arises. :D

Going along with Cho Da's theory about waiting things out for a bit, I'll unvote Anonymous if he unvotes RedSoxFan :)

UNVOTE: Redsoxfan

Besides, I need time to actually read all the jibba-jabba from the last several pages. :argue:

UNVOTE: Anonymouse

Jables
04-06-2004, 10:12 AM
Hey, I'm in the Final Four! Could a dirty EC member win it all?
Not if I spent as much time there as here. No consecutive posts, so I can't take you out immediately.

But unless some poster tries to combine two matches into a single post :shake: , I will be eligible to announce the results of the final match.

Maybe we could deal: you give up your EC partner here (this round); you win there.

Ha! I'll take being a RO Cage Madness Champion Never Was... Final Four alone is farther than I thought I would last. When you're EC, you stay EC, for life! (and yes, I know I'm dead)

Of course an EC is evil enough to find a way to win even if Gandalf wants me to be a mere runner-up.

Jables
04-06-2004, 10:13 AM
Geez (E)EK, did you forget what game you were playing? This isn't the Zapruder film you're trying to analyze :lol:

Gandalf
04-06-2004, 10:18 AM
Congratulation, Jables, on your upcoming victory in the RO Cage Madness. There is one formality first. Provided the name you PMed is indeed EC, you'll be the new champion.

I expected this. Students willingly die for our cause, yet you throw over your partner for a wrestling title. I don't know which was a stronger motivation for you: the lure of the title, or the fear of facing Maine-iac in a fair fight.

Klaymen
04-06-2004, 10:24 AM
His dedication to the chess player theory and the correlation to Jack Black's vote make me think it's worth a lynch.

Vote: Redsoxfan

Ebenezer Kohl
04-06-2004, 10:24 AM
This isn't the Zapruder film you're trying to analyze
Notice that Jables misspells Anonymouse when asking for the unvote in the second post. Nervous, maybe?!

42
04-06-2004, 10:24 AM
SALT THE SLUGWho is this "slug" everybody is talking about salting? That doesn't seem like a very nice thing to do. :o

42
04-06-2004, 10:28 AM
I feel like I should only post in two situations: to add something to a quality discussion ...This is your philosophy?? You are one sick puppy! :shake: Geez, if I waited until I actually had something worthwhile to say, I'd have 4 posts instead of 4000. :blah: :blah: :blah: :blah:

42
04-06-2004, 10:31 AM
Jables-RedSoxFan Connection on Page 7 (http://actuary.ca/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=26362&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=150)

I vote for RedSoxFan.

Vote: Anonymouse

Sox fans gotta stick together. This vote will probably change however if a new bandwagon arises. :D

Going along with Cho Da's theory about waiting things out for a bit, I'll unvote Anonymous if he unvotes RedSoxFan :)

UNVOTE: Redsoxfan

Besides, I need time to actually read all the jibba-jabba from the last several pages. :argue:

UNVOTE: Anonymouse
Thanks for reminding me, EEK. Suggest: Anonymouse.

What better way to protect your EC partner's identity (in the event that you are eventually lynched/slayed) than to vote against them in a race where you know they have no chance of actually being voted out. Very clever. Very diabolical. Very ECish. :evil:

42
04-06-2004, 10:33 AM
Wow. That 42 guy sure is getting a lot of votes. Wouldn't want to be him/her/it. :shake:
You DID get the memo, yes? Once you change your name, you can not change it back. Not even glenn can help you. Maybe you can sweet-talk Obiwan into using the Force to help you out.
42 is no more!You were saying?? :crazy:

For a price, I'd be willing to sell you my other userid: urysohn (without the period). :P

Jables
04-06-2004, 10:34 AM
Congratulation, Jables, on your upcoming victory in the RO Cage Madness. There is one formality first. Provided the name you PMed is indeed EC, you'll be the new champion.

I expected this. Students willingly die for our cause, yet you throw over your partner for a wrestling title. I don't know which was a stronger motivation for you: the lure of the title, or the fear of facing Maine-iac in a fair fight.

I checked the Water Cooler and saw your post, thinking you had wasted a perfect opportunity to get around the consecutive posts issue.

Then I read EK's :D

Jables
04-06-2004, 10:35 AM
This isn't the Zapruder film you're trying to analyze
Notice that Jables misspells Anonymouse when asking for the unvote in the second post. Nervous, maybe?!

:lol:

Gandalf
04-06-2004, 10:36 AM
I have lost the stapler. :cry: 42 is not EC.

I persuaded glenn to install special software modifications so that EC and collaborators like urysohn. could not change their names back. 42 succeeded, so he is not EC.

We can still salt him on general principles.

Klaymen
04-06-2004, 10:38 AM
42 = sammy??

Jables
04-06-2004, 10:40 AM
42 = sammy??

Notice that Anonymouse misspells Sammie when making wild theories. Nervous, maybe?!

(My apoligies if 42 actually did change his userid to "Sammy", if so, I missed it) :lol:

Gandalf
04-06-2004, 10:40 AM
Then I read EK's :D
You were better off with me. I'm an honorable student. If that name you sent is indeed your EC partner, I would have spared you on the Water Cooler. EK, who is really fanatical about punishing EC, will take you out there even if you have betrayed your partner.

Or maybe he'll just let Maine-iac punish you in the cage, if you even get by Bama Gambler.

Klaymen
04-06-2004, 10:43 AM
I'm just so used to seeing that adorable kitten, but not below the number 42. What's up with the impersonation 42?

cubedbee
04-06-2004, 12:02 PM
Jables-RedSoxFan Connection on Page 7 (http://actuary.ca/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=26362&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=150)

I vote for RedSoxFan.

Vote: Anonymouse

Sox fans gotta stick together. This vote will probably change however if a new bandwagon arises. :D

Going along with Cho Da's theory about waiting things out for a bit, I'll unvote Anonymous if he unvotes RedSoxFan :)

UNVOTE: Redsoxfan

Besides, I need time to actually read all the jibba-jabba from the last several pages. :argue:

UNVOTE: Anonymouse
Thanks for reminding me, EEK. Suggest: Anonymouse.

What better way to protect your EC partner's identity (in the event that you are eventually lynched/slayed) than to vote against them in a race where you know they have no chance of actually being voted out. Very clever. Very diabolical. Very ECish. :evil:

I agree that there's something fishy about this whole vote trading business. I missed this at the time. Since Avi doesn't have any other votes, and I get a stapler if this suspicion is correct, I'm changing my vote.

Unvote: Avi
Vote: Anonymouse

cubedbee
04-06-2004, 12:05 PM
So in short, no, its not legitimate.

Speaking of legitimate, are you a real RPS player, or are you chicken to go up against me? Come on and make your moves already. The outcome of the match is already decided and you're just delaying my entry into the final four.

42
04-06-2004, 12:07 PM
42 = sammy??

Notice that Anonymouse misspells Sammie when making wild theories. Nervous, maybe?!

(My apoligies if 42 actually did change his userid to "Sammy", if so, I missed it) :lol:

Who's Sammy/Sammie? :-?

Gandalf
04-06-2004, 12:08 PM
Do we really think Traina is so innocent?
Can we see some pictures in leather before deciding?

42
04-06-2004, 12:08 PM
I'm just so used to seeing that adorable kitten, but not below the number 42. What's up with the impersonation 42?
You wouldn't lynch an adorable kitten, would you?? :D

RedSoxFan
04-06-2004, 12:15 PM
So in short, no, its not legitimate.

Speaking of legitimate, are you a real RPS player, or are you chicken to go up against me? Come on and make your moves already. The outcome of the match is already decided and you're just delaying my entry into the final four.

You're talking trash to the guy who is 5-0 in RPS matches? I'll have you know I made my throws (winning throws, by the way) just a few minutes ago and that red stapler is all mine.

Gandalf
04-06-2004, 12:18 PM
I'm just so used to seeing that adorable kitten, but not below the number 42. What's up with the impersonation 42?
You wouldn't lynch an adorable kitten, would you?? :D
I may regret asking this, but: could you send us some pictures of Sammie in leather before we decide?