Madden on MNF

[urysohn]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news/ap/20020228/ap-madden-mondaynightfootball.html

Looks like John Madden is coming to Monday Night Football, replacing Fouts. Miller is probably also gone, though the article says he was/will be offered a minor role if he'd like to stay.

[jets fan]

I like it! Fouts was pretty good, but I couldn't stand Dennis Miller. I think Madden is the best color commentator out there and he will fit in perfectly on Monday night games. I heard Cris Collinsworth might take his spot on Foxx as the #1 analyst and he will most likely team up with Joe Buck.

[Harry]

Madden is senile. He is way past his prime.

[treyso]

I wish Millen would come back. He was good. Aikman is good as well. That Bill Maas jerkoff needs to stop trying to be like Madden.

[Ray Finkle]

Madden had a prime? I thought he always stunk. There's got to be some better options.

[treyso]

I heard CBS canned Glanville. Its about time. And they added Marino. I wonder if that brings tension to the HBO show. Can anyone find info on Fox or CBS broadcasting moves, other than the Madden story.

I am deeply saddened that Dickerson will leave MNF. :roll: That dude is a dick on and off the TV.

[Dr T Non-Fan]

Miller on the sideline might be interesting. He has watchable interviewing skills. A heat-of-the-battle tet-a-tet is fraught with unknowns. That might hold viewers.

[Pseudolus]

A heat-of-the-battle tet-a-tet is fraught with unknowns.

Such as "How long before this guy gets beaten to a bloody, ironic pulp?"

[treyso]

Save the sidelines for Melissa.

[jets fan]

Good idea! :grin:

[urysohn]

I started the thread but never voiced an opinion on it...
I like John Madden commercials but seeing/hearing him in the booth bugs me to no end. Fouts may have come off a bit dull, but I liked him. Miller was okay at times, but I'll be happy to see him go.

What should they have done instead? Kept the three man booth. Kept Fouts. Ditched Miller and replaced him with someone - if I knew who, I'd be a highly paid ABC executive. Given Melissa Starks her own prime time special. On cable. Rated for Mature Audiences Only. Mmmmmmm, Melissa Starks.

[Pillow]

hate Madden...not looking forward to the 2002 football season.

Fouts (however you spell it) was dull, but I'd take him over Madden any day. Madden just doesn't SHUT UP.

[Mr. Grim]

Is Melissa really that hot or is it just because she is an attractive women who talks about football?

[Dr T Non-Fan]

She'd be hot if she described a prostate procedure.
I never noticed that she was talking football.

[Not Mike]

I loathe Madden as an announcer... I don't understand this "best in the business" stuff that I hear from knowledgable (??) sports people.... the guy is senile (Summerall was worse).... he knows stuff about maybe 6 different players (Favre, some fat Cowboy lineman with sweat stains on his ace, and retired 49ers and Cowboys).... he knows NOTHING about the AFC (see the All-Madden team for proof of this)...

He's a buffoon... he's been doing the same shtick for 20 years and it's PLAYED OUT....

We're talking about a guy that is more concerned with "boom tough actin' Tinactin" than what's going on during a football game.... the "best in the biz" would've at least made some comment in regards to Mike Sherman's idiotic 2-point conversion against the 49ers.....

At least Dennis Miller is legitimately funny....

[CDC]

Like Madden

Dislike Miller

[Not Mike]

And I forgot to mention how hot Melissa Starks is...

[General Kenobi (ret.)]

At least Dennis Miller is legitimately funny....


No he's not. He's fingers-on-a-chalkboard annoying.

[the mole]

I was offered the job, but the NFL groundskeepers made them retract the offer.

[3rookie]

Not Mike got it right about Madden, NOT Stark! All Madden has is his "reputation" for being the best, but even my wife can't stand him.

And about Melissa Stark: 1) She is not hot 2) She is only marginally attractive 3) Nobody would talk about her if the directors of NFL broadcasts would show the cheerleaders more than once per game. Yeah, she's hot when compared to Kurt Warner's mom on a chunky commercial.

Edited to state Not Mike got it right 'about Madden', NOT Stark!

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[Pseudolus]

On 2002-02-28 13:50, Obi-Wan Kenobi wrote:
At least Dennis Miller is legitimately funny....


No he's not. He's fingers-on-a-chalkboard annoying.


He once said (of George Snuffleupagous) that "He knows more about spin than anyone since Enrico Fermi." You have to give him some credit for that.

Good news for Miller -- there's a new job opening up (http://espn.go.com/mlb/news/2002/0228/1342318.html).

[Dr T Non-Fan]

Madden was also wrong about the Patriots' going for field goal range at the end of the Super Bowl.

Miller IS funny, but not on MNF.

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[Not Mike]

On 2002-02-28 13:50, Obi-Wan Kenobi wrote:
At least Dennis Miller is legitimately funny....


No he's not. He's fingers-on-a-chalkboard annoying.



Point made, but fingers-on-a-chalkboard are more entertaining than Madden...

[Cannonball]

I had nothing against Fouts. He wasn't great, but he wasn't bad either. Good riddance to Miller; he's about as funny as a root canal. As for Madden, I can't help but like his commentating. Sure, he's loud and obnoxious, but he truly loves the game, and to me that's infectious.

Melissa Starks is HOT. End of discussion. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a fool!

[Mr. Grim]

Starks does not do much for me. That Norah Mcdonnel chick on MSNBC now she gets me going. I also like the weather babe on the Fox pre-game much better than Starks.

[Mick Fan]

Love Melissa STARK ... She could be talking about football, or CAS Exam 7; it wouldn't matter (I wonder if she has time for the NEAS seminar next week) :smile:

I always thought that Miller would be good in short spurts, maybe three-four times per game. He'd be much better than being in the booth and going on and on the whole game.

[Ray Finkle]

No matter what happens, MNF must keep Melissa. She is quite hot. I hope they have more warm weather Monday night games next year so she's not hiding underneath a heavy coat.

I think Miller would be better as a sideline reporter. He just doesn't belong in the booth. His act works better when he has his own time, not when he tries to mix with the other announcers. But I wouldn't want him to take time away from Melissa. So they should just dump him.

[Mick Fan]

The one other thing that could backfire on ABC is the fact that Madden appeals more to hard-core football fans (ones who watch on Sunday afternoon).

MNF tries to attract the more casual fans. That's why they tried Miller. Will they be successful with Madden?

[Not Mike]

On 2002-02-28 15:08, Mick Fan wrote:
The one other thing that could backfire on ABC is the fact that Madden appeals more to hard-core football fans (ones who watch on Sunday afternoon).

MNF tries to attract the more casual fans. That's why they tried Miller. Will they be successful with Madden?


Mick Fan, 90% of the hardcore fans that I know dislike Madden... Madden is definitely tailored more towards the "beginner" fan with his Mickey Mouse analysis and telestrator games... actually, 90% of the hardcore fans that I know seem to know more about today's game than Madden does...

[Harry]

On 2002-02-28 15:19, Not Mike wrote:

On 2002-02-28 15:08, Mick Fan wrote:
The one other thing that could backfire on ABC is the fact that Madden appeals more to hard-core football fans (ones who watch on Sunday afternoon).

MNF tries to attract the more casual fans. That's why they tried Miller. Will they be successful with Madden?


Mick Fan, 90% of the hardcore fans that I know dislike Madden... Madden is definitely tailored more towards the "beginner" fan with his Mickey Mouse analysis and telestrator games... actually, 90% of the hardcore fans that I know seem to know more about today's game than Madden does...


Excellent points.

[vito]

Michaels: "John, why don't you use the telestrator to explain to the fans what went wrong on that play?"

Madden: "Well, Warner here hands off to Faulk, over here, and there's a whole mess of guys around the line of scrimmage, so Faulk tries to take it to the outside there. Meanwhile, Lewis moves to his left and hits Faulk...DOINK... causing the fumble. Then, see, this guy here, Boulware, picks up the ball and starts running this way there. You know, Al, I talked to Warner before the game, and he sure is a nice guy."

Michaels: "That's brilliant insight, John."

Madden: "Thanks. I can't wait to dig into that six-legged turkey. You see, it's got three legs over here,..."

[Not Mike]

On 2002-02-28 15:56, vito wrote:
Michaels: "John, why don't you use the telestrator to explain to the fans what went wrong on that play?"

Madden: "Well, Warner here hands off to Faulk, over here, and there's a whole mess of guys around the line of scrimmage, so Faulk tries to take it to the outside there. Meanwhile, Lewis moves to his left and hits Faulk...DOINK... causing the fumble. Then, see, this guy here, Boulware, picks up the ball and starts running this way there. You know, Al, I talked to Warner before the game, and he sure is a nice guy."

Michaels: "That's brilliant insight, John."

Madden: "Thanks. I can't wait to dig into that six-legged turkey. You see, it's got three legs over here,..."




vito, close but you forgot:

"Meanwhile, Lewis moves to his left and hits Faulk...DOINK... causing the fumble." (rewinds) "DOINK" (rewinds again) "BOOM" (rewinds, fast forwards, rewinds) "hey, look at that blood on Ray's sleeve"

[Han Solo]

This is just one more reason to turn the sound down and listen to the radio announcers, who, IMHO, are better than most of the TV guys, because they have to be describing the game to an audience that can't see what is happening.

[jets fan]

On 2002-02-28 13:41, Not Mike wrote:

he knows NOTHING about the AFC (see the All-Madden team for proof of this)...


NM, the reason he doesn't put AFC players on the All Madden team is becuase Foxx announces NFC games. He can't promote games and players that are aired by another network, as if to say "Look at all these great players that you probably won't see on this channel!" He doesn't leave them out because he doesn't know anything about them.

actually, 90% of the hardcore fans that I know seem to know more about today's game than Madden does...
I didn't see an emoticon next to this quote, but I'll just assume you're joking.

I agree that some of what he does gets annoying, ex = 6 legged turkey and DOINK, but he's throwing these in there for the younger fans/kids. He's trying to appeal to everyone and I think he does a pretty good job of it and I think he'll work out great on MNF. Oh, they also MUST keep Melissa Stark!!! :smile:

Tan/ I never saw anything wrong with Al, Frank, and Dan in the first place. I think MNF has been worse ever since they boke the 3 of them up. /end Tan

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[Not Mike]

jets fan,

He did have one, maybe two AFC players on the All-Madden team.... so he's obviously not discounting the entire AFC (which if he was would still be BS)... it's not the All-Fox team... the only people that watch that special are football fans who would most likely account for fans of all teams....

also, I'm not joking at all about the 2nd part.... today's game is much different than it was in the 1970's.... I really think that a great deal of "hardcore" fans know more than Madden (and MANY of those bozos on TV and with radio shows)..... and that encompasses a lot of things like current players, 2-point conversion strategies, rules, game strategies.... he's way past his prime....

[jets fan]

NM. Foxx does SOME interconferfence games, but Madden has to be the one calling it or the player's not going on his team. In general, Foxx (which aired the All Madden team) wants to emphasize the NFC, and doesn't want to promote any CBS games. If these people you're talking about really are "hardcore fans", then they'd know that the All Madden team only has players from Foxx games that Madden calls.

If you're not joking about the second part, then I have to inform you that you're wrong. Madden knows just as many Xs and Os as any coach today. Whether you're playing zone or man, running between the tackles or off-tackle, running an out or a post, Madden knows it all and he knows it a lot better than any of us do. Nobody can question his technical knowledge. How many of these "hard-core" fans that you know actually sit and talk to current NFL players like Madden does? Whatever rule changes have been made since 1978, (which tend to be minor details, rather than major changes impacting Xs/Os ), Madden knows from calling games. DO these "hardcore fans" of yours coach college? FYI, Madden coached at San Diego State - 2 pt conversion anyone?

It's fine that you disagree about him being on MNF. If you don't like his style, I have no problem with that. But don't say that he doesn't know what he's talking about because it isn't true.

[Not Mike]

On 2002-03-01 12:48, jets fan wrote:
DO these "hardcore fans" of yours coach college? FYI, Madden coached at San Diego State - 2 pt conversion anyone?

It's fine that you disagree about him being on MNF. If you don't like his style, I have no problem with that. But don't say that he doesn't know what he's talking about because it isn't true.


Well, he may know X's and O's, but he doesn't know strategy....

And it's obvious that he has NO CLUE about the impact of 2-Point Conversions.... if you saw the Packers/49ers playoff game, you'd know what I meant.... Mike Sherman goes for two up by 8 points and Madden and Summerall didn't even comment.... even after they missed, no comment... even later, after the 49ers tied the game (by scoring a TD and getting a 2-Point conversion), NOTHING.... this one decision could've cost the Packers the game, but "the best in the biz" didn't ever even make a remark about it (and note that after the game, EVERYONE that commented on the game - CBS, FOX, ESPN, the media - made a HUGE deal of this play... so, I'll accept his silence as proof of him having no clue on the 2 Point coversion.... as an aside, being a college coach BY NO MEANS makes you a 2-Point conversion expert... watch enough college football and you'll see just how bad lots of coaches are in this regard....

With all due respect to Madden, et al, being on TV (or having your own radio show) BY NO MEANS qualifies you as an expert.... there are many buffoons being paid to call NFL games....

And one last point on Madden, he may be the smartest football mind in the world in his personal time, but when he's calling games for Fox he's a broke-down, washed up, bad comedian that adds roughly zero non-obvious football analysis.... and sitting down with Marshall Faulk doesn't make him any smarter...

[Mr. Grim]

I think the whole male in the both thing should be scrapped. Put a couple hot broads in the booth, since it is on tv anyhow what do the boring Madden's etc. add. it will also make it more interesting in those blowouts.

[vito]

Early in Madden's broadcasting career, he brought excitement and humor to the table. I don't think he was ever very strong on detailed analysis. He certainly isn't now. One only needs to look back at the Super Bowl, where he encouraged the Pats to run out the clock rather than go for the win in regulation.

In fact, Madden may not have been a strong X's and O's guy even in his coaching days. I would argue that his motivational and player evaluation skills were more important factors behind his success. Madden coached at a time when quarterbacks called their own plays and defenses did not use multiple formations and platooning.

Tangent: Madden will not have a significant positive impact on MNF's ratings. He will not bring in more casual viewers. Hard-core fans will make their decision based on the matchups (or gambling concerns), not because of the announcers.

Are ABC execs under the delusion that they can return to the glory days of MNF? When Cosell and Dandy Don were around, they competed against the other 2 networks - now they are competing against a bazillion cable channels.

[DonkeyPunch (Banned)]

>>"Whatever rule changes have been made since 1978, (which tend to be minor details, rather than major changes impacting Xs/Os ), Madden knows from calling games."

Then how come Madden doesn't know that field goals are now kicked from 8 yards behind the line of scrimmage, and not 7? He had a little temper tantrum about this (thinking they had the yardage wrong on the field goal) that revealed how out of touch he is. He's washed up. I think a random hardcore fan in the booth could do a better job than he does.

[Mick Fan]

On 2002-02-28 15:56, vito wrote:
Michaels: "John, why don't you use the telestrator to explain to the fans what went wrong on that play?"

Madden: "Well, Warner here hands off to Faulk, over here, and there's a whole mess of guys around the line of scrimmage, so Faulk tries to take it to the outside there. Meanwhile, Lewis moves to his left and hits Faulk...DOINK... causing the fumble. Then, see, this guy here, Boulware, picks up the ball and starts running this way there. You know, Al, I talked to Warner before the game, and he sure is a nice guy."

Michaels: "That's brilliant insight, John."

Madden: "Thanks. I can't wait to dig into that six-legged turkey. You see, it's got three legs over here,..."


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