poker: 20 rebuy stars tonight

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don't know where else to put this. blew 60 bucks fairly quick tonight below my bad beat, but i was the favorite (44, 37, 18), then the slight favorite (49, 47, 3) then the huge favorite (87, 12, 0), then the guy on the rail.

not really fair as mr lucky below is also one of the top 10 players on stars (check the tournament leader board)

the other intersting thing was was table 11, having the top 2 chip leaders at the break plus the number 5, and 2 others in the top 30, with one empty chair. Many of the chips came from none other than buellar who happened to rebuy something like 20 times. For those of you who didn't watch freeman get his seat into the WPT, this is the guy that he beat headsup for the seat.

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PokerStars Game #372542981: Tournament #1337000, Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2004/04/05 - 20:49:55 (ET)
Table '1337000 3' Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: JokerTor (980 in chips)
Seat 2: SP0NGE (1350 in chips)
Seat 3: miamiwiz (4963 in chips)
Seat 4: NYCpunisher (5310 in chips)
Seat 5: clarky12 (3000 in chips)
Seat 6: tseng (3582 in chips)
Seat 7: Riverloser (6940 in chips)
Seat 8: Goose Bumps (1150 in chips)
Seat 9: Irish Jack (1225 in chips)
Goose Bumps: posts small blind 50
Irish Jack: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to SP0NGE [Jc Jh]
JokerTor: folds
SP0NGE: raises 1250 to 1350 and is all-in
miamiwiz: folds
NYCpunisher: folds
clarky12: raises 1650 to 3000 and is all-in
tseng: folds
Riverloser: raises 1650 to 4650
Goose Bumps: folds
Irish Jack: folds
*** FLOP *** [Qc Tc Ac]
*** TURN *** [Qc Tc Ac] [Kd]
*** RIVER *** [Qc Tc Ac Kd] [Qh]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
clarky12: shows [4h 4d] (two pair, Queens and Fours)
Riverloser: shows [Ad Qd] (a full house, Queens full of Aces)
Riverloser collected 3300 from side pot
SP0NGE: shows [Jc Jh] (a straight, Ten to Ace)
Riverloser collected 4200 from main pot
clarky12 re-buys and receives 1500 chips for $20.00
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 7500 Main pot 4200. Side pot 3300. | Rake 0
Board [Qc Tc Ac Kd Qh]
Seat 1: JokerTor folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: SP0NGE showed [Jc Jh] and lost with a straight, Ten to Ace
Seat 3: miamiwiz folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: NYCpunisher folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: clarky12 showed [4h 4d] and lost with two pair, Queens and Fours
Seat 6: tseng folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Riverloser (button) showed [Ad Qd] and won (7500) with a full house, Queens full of Aces
Seat 8: Goose Bumps (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: Irish Jack (big blind) folded before Flop

[MNBridge]

Can't say I like the all-in much on JJ. Risking 1350 to win 150 just seems like to much of a gamble.

The BEST case scenario is someone calls with AK or AQ or even better AJ (but I know I'd muck AQ and AJ here) and you are a slight favorite. The more likely call is QQ, KK, AA and you are a big dog.

Now if You are planning to rebuy then it's not as bad. You lost basically $20.

Pre flop I'd raise to 400 and see what happens if someone goes all in I'll call.
If I just get callers I'm check folding that flop for any decent sized bet and moving all in with a rag flop.

** It seems like the all have the same outcome (i.e. all your chips in the middle,
but I think you have a better chance of weaker hands calling a bet of 400 (so you don't just play against premium hands).
There is a chance someone will try to steal the pot with a reraise and a hand like 99, TT, AT, AJ these hands you want to play against.
If you didn't get raised preflop you can lay it down when this ugly flop hits.

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Can't say I like the all-in much on JJ. Risking 1350 to win 150 just seems like to much of a gamble.

The BEST case scenario is someone calls with AK or AQ or even better AJ (but I know I'd muck AQ and AJ here) and you are a slight favorite. The more likely call is QQ, KK, AA and you are a big dog.

Now if You are planning to rebuy then it's not as bad. You lost basically $20.

Pre flop I'd raise to 400 and see what happens if someone goes all in I'll call.
If I just get callers I'm check folding that flop for any decent sized bet and moving all in with a rag flop.

** It seems like the all have the same outcome (i.e. all your chips in the middle,
but I think you have a better chance of weaker hands calling a bet of 400 (so you don't just play against premium hands).
There is a chance someone will try to steal the pot with a reraise and a hand like 99, TT, AT, AJ these hands you want to play against.
If you didn't get raised preflop you can lay it down when this ugly flop hits.

I don't mind the beat all that much, kind of disappointing they way it played out though, kind of like what wsop announcer said about scotty nguyen, he plays better than most and runs luckier that most. At the time i got this hand average chip stack is roughly 4k so i need a double or triple up realitively soon. I could have triple rebuy to come in around average stack at the first break but didn't feel like plunking down that much more money. Given the situation (short stacked etc.) I don't think i play it any differently, I'm happy taking the blinds if thats the case, if not i'm likely a 55+% favorite in a hand for all my chips. I'm too low to sit around and wait for better cards. I don't have the chips to go ahead and actually play poker where one can make legitimate bets on both the hole cards and the flop.

Given that i could have raised 400 (and would have seen the flop for that at 3 way action) i'm not sure just how good of an idea folding JJ in this situation is. Kc = stone cold nuts, any club gives me the 2nd nut flush, any K gives me the nut straight. Given the over 3:1 i would be getting to call my money off as well as being a short stack i don't think folding is a wise idea. Any comments from the rest of the peanut gallery?

[O. Hannah]

Given the level of aggression that this table showed and your stack size....I don't see anything wrong with the JJ's all-in. (ALthough I tend to play JJ's a LOT softer and probably would have raised less...winding up likely all-in anyway after the dude with 44 goes all-in)

I do like MNPoker's suggestion if the table is playing tighter than this.

Basically, you got your chance to triple up and had a decent shot at doing so....what more can you ask for?

[MNBridge]

Did not see the board was all clubs and a club in your hand.

I'm losing all my chips here especially if there is a rebuy. In a Sit and Go I'll still fold the flop with a draw. The players in these are just to horrible to give yourself a 60% chance of being gone even if it is a positive EV.

As far as the all-in because you want to gamble and double or triple up. I'd disagree and say you have a better chance of doubling up by NOT going all in preflop.
You have pushed out (if this table is really agreesive) hands like AT, KT, and possibly as bad as T9 with an all in.
If you REALLY want to gamble raise to 200 hopefully get a few callers then All - in on the flop with a board that is rags. Hopefully then (if you really want to gamble) someone will have top pair and pay you. AND you will have more preflop action in the middle. (A raise to 200 may get 2 or 3 callers and both blinds) -- This would be 1000 + hopefully get all in and win with a caller after the flop.
Now you've tripled up!

Going all in to me is less gambling than a small raise (Or at least will get less action)

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Did not see the board was all clubs and a club in your hand.

I'm losing all my chips here especially if there is a rebuy. In a Sit and Go I'll still fold the flop with a draw. The players in these are just to horrible to give yourself a 60% chance of being gone even if it is a positive EV.

As far as the all-in because you want to gamble and double or triple up. I'd disagree and say you have a better chance of doubling up by NOT going all in preflop.
You have pushed out (if this table is really agreesive) hands like AT, KT, and possibly as bad as T9 with an all in.
If you REALLY want to gamble raise to 200 hopefully get a few callers then All - in on the flop with a board that is rags. Hopefully then (if you really want to gamble) someone will have top pair and pay you. AND you will have more preflop action in the middle. (A raise to 200 may get 2 or 3 callers and both blinds) -- This would be 1000 + hopefully get all in and win with a caller after the flop.
Now you've tripled up!

Going all in to me is less gambling than a small raise (Or at least will get less action)

I'm looking for the less gamble. A's or K's i look to get the most action with. J's i want to get heads up and just double up. Table is loose enough that i will likely get a call and either be a slight favorite or get a call vs a pocket pair, 1/4 i'll be a huge dog, 3/4 i'll be a huge favorite. I expect to get called by any pocket pair by atleast half the table.

If i come in small i stand a greater chance of having to fold, (when a flop comes that does me absolutely no good) than getting a good flop, one where i will win the hand and after giving everyone else a look at 3 additional card that they have a good enough hand to still call.

[FSAme]

If you REALLY want to gamble raise to 200 hopefully get a few callers then All - in on the flop with a board that is rags.

I love this strategy with JJ or TT. I don't know how many times I've been upset with myself for going all in with JJ preflop and getting called and beat by AK or AQ.

If I had used the above strategy, and the flop comes rags, you then press it. AK or AQ are likely to fold at that point. Then the only hands that beat you are a smaller set (most likely), or AA, KK, or QQ (not likely, as they would have re-raised preflop).

[Bama Gambler]

I don't like the all-in raise pre-flop either. Only called if you are beat or slightly ahead. Raise to 3x then play the flop. I would have lost all my chips on this hand too, because I would have pushed in on the flop.