The 1 legged killer who came back to life... with both legs!

[2pac Shakur]

The statement did not say when al-Zarqawi was supposedly killed, but U.S. jets bombed strongholds of the extremist Ansar al-Islam in the north last April as Saddam Hussein’s regime was collapsing.

It said al-Zarqawi was unable to escape the bombing because of his artificial leg.

Before the Iraq conflict began last March, U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell said al-Zarqawi received hospital treatment in Baghdad after fleeing Afghanistan. U.S. intelligence sources said he apparently was fitted with an artificial leg.


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4446084/

[2pac Shakur]

Why would a guy record himself doing this, release it in video, identify himself by name in the title, but wear a mask?
And why does Berg have on a Guantanamo jumpsuit?
I didn't know Al Qaeda issued uniforms. Wonder where they buy them?
Oh yea, and Zarqawi is dead.
This story is worse than their 9/11 lies. :shake:

The young man was beheaded on a video posted Tuesday on an al-Qaida-affiliated Web site. It bore the title "Abu Musab al-Zarqawi shown slaughtering an American," referring to an associate of Osama bin Laden (news - web sites) believed behind a wave of suicide bombings in Iraq (news - web sites).


http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=540&ncid=736&e=9&u=/ap/20040513/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_berg


I'm waiting for another one of these...

You love life and we love death," said the man on the tape, who wore Arab dress and spoke Arabic with a Moroccan accent.


http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040315/ap_on_re_eu/spain_bombings&cid=518&ncid=716

[2pac Shakur]

Now, of course, the original claim was that Zarqawi is the actual man who performed this execution. Our experts listened to the accent, as you said, and they determined the accent is not Jordanian...

O'BRIEN: He is a Jordanian who is working supposedly, allegedly, at the behest of al Qaeda in Iraq. So go ahead.

NASR: Right, he is very close to bin Laden, and works, you're right, as an agent of al Qaeda in Iraq. Now, the accent is not Jordanian so that takes the Jordanian element out of the story immediately.

O'BRIEN: Interesting. All right, now one final thought here. You did a very careful translation of your own, of the statement. And in it, you see no reference to al Qaeda. And yet the official U.S. government translation does. Explain how that happened.

NASR: Oh, I find it very interesting, because out of the blue, there is a mention of al Qaeda on the U.S. government translation. It says: "Does al Qaeda need any further excuses?" Any speaker of the Arabic language is going to notice a difference between the word al Qaeda, which means "the base," and al qaed, which means "the one sitting, doing nothing."

My translation says: "Is there any excuse for the one who sits down and does nothing?" Basically they're telling people, you have no excuse for not doing anything, for not acting and defending Islam and so forth. Whereas the U.S. government translation has this factual error, I'm sure it's an honest mistake, but basically it sort of adds al Qaeda to the statement, which is not on the statement.

O'BRIEN: All right, Octavia Nasr, we don't know exactly how that got in there. We'll try to get more on that. We appreciate you bringing that all to light and appreciate your insights, of course.

NASR: You bet.

http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0405/12/lol.02.html

[Oblomov retired (student)]

Keep it coming.

I thought that "An Islamic Website" sounded fishy. Has anyone seen a name or a source for this info?

[IAm@Work.com]

As usual, I am confused.

What are you trying to claim here? Is you point that the name that appeared in the caption of the video couldn't be the person actually in the video and therefore the whole thing is OK because it was really staged to discredit al-Zarqawi?

You are weirder than I thought.



In case you are unaware, no one knows, or cares, who the 5 people in the video are. The fact that you dedicate a thread to the claim that it is all some sort of US administration plot is beyond weird. The fact that you garner support is astonishing.

[Oblomov retired (student)]

The fact that you dedicate a thread to the claim that it is all some sort of US administration plot is beyond weird. The fact that you garner support is astonishing.
You need more cynicism in your world view. There are plenty of examples of governments fabricating events at convenient times (including yours and mine, btw). I am not saying it is the case here, but I am open to the possibility. The timing is very convenient.

[wonderer]

Ask Jamie Gorelick about timing.

[Happy Extinction]

As usual, I am confused.


Me too. In 7th grade writing class, my teacher taught me to put my thesis is the first paragraph. I implore you to do the same. Or even better, in the title.

Thanks

[DonkeyPunch (Banned)]

Any thread started by Tupac on the Michael Berg killing is designed to either (1) make us think Berg deserved to die, or (2) make us think the US is responsible for his death.

[Happy Extinction]

Cool. Thanks.

[2pac Shakur]

WASHINGTON - U.S. intelligence officials have concluded that terrorist leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi was the person shown on a video beheading an American civilian in Iraq (news - web sites), based on an analysis of the voice on the video, a CIA (news - web sites) official said Thursday.

Intelligence officials conducted a technical analysis of the video released on an Islamic web site and determined "with high probability" that the person shown speaking on the tape — wearing a head scarf and a ski mask — is al-Zarqawi, a CIA official said, speaking on the condition of anonymity.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&e=2&u=/ap/20040513/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_american_beheaded_3

Anybody watch the video? (I didn't)
Did the guy doing the killing look like he only had one leg?

Before the Iraq conflict began last March, U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell said al-Zarqawi received hospital treatment in Baghdad after fleeing Afghanistan. U.S. intelligence sources said he apparently was fitted with an artificial leg.


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4446084/

[2pac Shakur]

Note the confused reporting in this direct quote, "on Monday", "over the weekend", by US military patrol. Was it found on Monday or over the weekend--which one? Does this make sense to anyone? Or was someone scrambling a press release (in panic) of wording that was hastily contrived, and uncertain themselves about how the facts would compare to the report. VAGUE TIMING BEGS THE QUESTION, WHEN WAS THIS BODY REALLY FOUND?

Secondly, how was the body identified as "Berg's", if it was headless? Or was it? How do you quickly identify a body without a head?

Third, WHO were the U.S. forces that found it? Were they the same ones involved in his illegal detention?

2. Here is the smoking gun: If the body was found on Monday (May 10th), or previously "over the weekend" (prior), how could the execution and video be taped on May 11th, as is reported?

"The statement in the video was signed off with Zarqawi's name and dated 11 May" (Drudge and Aljazeerah).

An Arab magic trick indeed...to be able to execute a man on video tape ("May 11"), AFTER HIS BODY IS FOUND BY US FORCES, on "May 10th"!!!!! The video is not the only thing that appears fuzzy!!

3. The video was dated May 11th, typical Judeo-Masonic (CIA/MOSSAD) signature and M.O., like 9/11, and the recent 3/11 in Spain. Sorry, there is an M.O. to this "terrorism" that matches that of government psy-ops! Funny how they never mention the obvious pattern of dating isn't it? And the "terroists" signed his name to the video, though they wore hoods and masks! (Why?)

4. Berg's father filed law suit against the illegal detention of their son....and, bingo, he was released the next day (but not very popular we can be certain)!
"His father, Nick, filed a lawsuit on 5 April stating Berg was being held illegally by the US military in Iraq. The next day Berg was released." Aljazeera and Drudge

5. The Guatanamo Bay type US issue prison suit is very suspicious! Either he was handed over to the alleged "terrorists" in it--meaning US forces complicity to rid them of an American "dissident"--or the executions are Government--i.e. CIA (well-fed, lily white hands, hooded...but leaving the name of the executioner?)!

6. According to the video clock notations in the film, the "execution" took place between 13:46 and 13:47....apparently around 1:46 to 1:47 pm. Why is the video time not in Arabic? Do Arabs use military time?
<http://www.drudgereport.com/iiraq3.htm>

7. "God is great".....typical propaganda to libel militant Muslim jihaders with the crime, while they have lily white hands, their victim in US issue prison clothes, and video time in US military English!

8. The TIMING of this event being reported to the American public, on May 11th evening (note how quickly this went to full-blown news coverage by 6:30pm EDT on the very day of the execution......fast......and conveniently. Even MORE remarkable is how this was reported to Congress (not sure when) during WORK HOURS IN SESSION, precisely as the Pentagon, Rumsfeld, etc., were being grilled, and Senators were investigation the horrific prisoner abuse, and who was behind it! TALK ABOUT WELL-COORDINATED AND EXPEDITED 1) EXECUTION 2) BODY FOUND, IDENTIFIED, 3)NOTIFICATION OF KIN, 4) REPORTED TO CONGRESS...5) RELEASE IN FULL DETAIL WITH VIDEO TO NETWORK NEWS..........ALL IN ONE AMAZING DAY!!!!!

Is that a credible timetable WITHOUT government involvement? The 9/11 "hijackers" were not even identified for a couple days....but this one is instantly solved, and we are expected to swallow it whole without choking!

8. The pattern of US government information, from Bush, the Pentagon, Jessica Lynch, justification for Iraq, the "911" story is a HISTORY OF PROVEN LIES AND FALSEHOODS FOR POLITICAL ENDS!!! So why should ANYONE believe this!!

http://disc.server.com/discussion.cgi?disc=149495;article=54893;title=APF N

[2pac Shakur]

5. The Guatanamo Bay type US issue prison suit is very suspicious! Either he was handed over to the alleged "terrorists" in it--meaning US forces complicity to rid them of an American "dissident"--or the executions are Government--i.e. CIA (well-fed, lily white hands, hooded...but leaving the name of the executioner?)!


Ah, you knew it was only a matter of time. Why mess around with inferences that the US is to blame, when you can just come out and accuse the CIA of beheading a US citizen?

Pitiful. Even if you sympathize with the plights of these people, how can you simply deny that they ever have anything to do with anything bad that happens?

Facts are stupid things.
You think AQ ordered a bunch of orange jump suits?

[2pac Shakur]

5. The Guatanamo Bay type US issue prison suit is very suspicious! Either he was handed over to the alleged "terrorists" in it--meaning US forces complicity to rid them of an American "dissident"--or the executions are Government--i.e. CIA (well-fed, lily white hands, hooded...but leaving the name of the executioner?)!


Ah, you knew it was only a matter of time. Why mess around with inferences that the US is to blame, when you can just come out and accuse the CIA of beheading a US citizen?

Pitiful. Even if you sympathize with the plights of these people, how can you simply deny that they ever have anything to do with anything bad that happens?

Facts are stupid things.
You think AQ ordered a bunch of orange jump suits?\

No. Obviously, the CIA never thought that such a thing would look suspicious, and they beheaded a US civilian in order to make AQ look bad. At least they were smart enough to take a US Prisoner # off the outfit before executing him on camera.

Your facts are not facts. They are apologetic drivel to erase all culpability of brutality from AQ. They are poor, misunderstood victims of US oppression.

The same CIA that said the 9/11 crashes destroyed EVERY single black box on all 4 planes.
Yet they found a passport, undamaged, on the smoldering WTC ruins.
And people bought it.
They just have to be smarter than their intended audience - gullible Americans.
And it works.



See you could witness the Illuminati body count
Don't be surprised these is devils that I'm talkin' bout
You think a couple thousand lives mean shit to killers?
I swear to God we the ones - ain't no villains
Or any other word they think to demonize a country
Ain't no terror threat unless approval ratings slumpin'
So I'ma say it for the record we the ones that planned it
Ain't no other country took a part or had they hand in
It's all a way to keep ya scared so you think you need'em
Praisin' Bush while that killer take away ya freedom
How many of us got discovered but ignore the symptoms?
Brothas talkin' loud but ain't nobody sayin' shit'
And with the 4th Amendment gone eyes are on the 1st
That's why I'm spittin' cyanide each and every verse
I see the Carlyle group and Harris Bank Accounts
I see 'em plead the 5th each and every session now
And while Reichstag burns I see the public buy it
I see the profilin see the media's compliance
War is good for business see the vicious make a savior
Hope you understand the time brother cause its major

[Will Durant]

And with the 4th Amendment gone eyes are on the 1st
How come liberals are never worried about the 2nd Amendment?

[Harry]

And with the 4th Amendment gone eyes are on the 1st
How come liberals are never worried about the 2nd Amendment?

Liberals are definitely worried about the way conservatives twist the meaning of it.

[Tim><]

And with the 4th Amendment gone eyes are on the 1st
How come liberals are never worried about the 2nd Amendment?

Liberals are definitely worried about the way conservatives twist the meaning of it.

The right to bear arms is pretty clear. I think it is outdated, though. I would not be upset if they were to repeal it. However, I don't think conservatives in any way twist the meaning of it.

[DonkeyPunch (Banned)]

And with the 4th Amendment gone eyes are on the 1st
How come liberals are never worried about the 2nd Amendment?

Liberals are definitely worried about the way conservatives twist the meaning of it.

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Prediction: liberals will bold the first half of the Amendment, conservatives the second half.

[2pac Shakur]

U.S. spokesman Dan Senor would not explain, but insisted that Berg was held by Iraqi — and not American — authorities. He said the FBI (news - web sites) visited Berg three times before he was released April 6.


On Thursday, however, Berg's family showed The Associated Press an e-mail from a U.S. consular official in Iraq, dated April 1, that said he was being detained by the U.S. military.


"I have confirmed that your son, Nick, is being detained by the U.S. military in Mosul," wrote Beth A. Payne, the U.S. consular officer. "He is safe. He was picked up approximately one week ago. We will try to obtain additional information regarding his detention and a contact person you can communicate with directly."

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=540&ncid=736&e=2&u=/ap/20040513/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_berg

[Harry]

And with the 4th Amendment gone eyes are on the 1st
How come liberals are never worried about the 2nd Amendment?

Liberals are definitely worried about the way conservatives twist the meaning of it.

The right to bear arms is pretty clear. I think it is outdated, though. I would not be upset if they were to repeal it. However, I don't think conservatives in any way twist the meaning of it.

I'm not surprised you feel this way.

[Harry]

And with the 4th Amendment gone eyes are on the 1st
How come liberals are never worried about the 2nd Amendment?

Liberals are definitely worried about the way conservatives twist the meaning of it.

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Prediction: liberals will bold the first half of the Amendment, conservatives the second half.

How bold of you.

[Harry]

U.S. spokesman Dan Senor would not explain, but insisted that Berg was held by Iraqi — and not American — authorities. He said the FBI (news - web sites) visited Berg three times before he was released April 6.


On Thursday, however, Berg's family showed The Associated Press an e-mail from a U.S. consular official in Iraq, dated April 1, that said he was being detained by the U.S. military.


"I have confirmed that your son, Nick, is being detained by the U.S. military in Mosul," wrote Beth A. Payne, the U.S. consular officer. "He is safe. He was picked up approximately one week ago. We will try to obtain additional information regarding his detention and a contact person you can communicate with directly."

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&amp;cid=540&amp;ncid=736&amp;e=2&amp;u=/ap/20040513/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_berg

Good thing they don't lie to us.

[Tim><]

Three consecutive posts with no content. Impressive.

[Harry]

Three consecutive posts with no content. Impressive.

I know I haven't quite gotten to your record of 3318 posts with no content, but I have hope.

[2pac Shakur]

Berg Executioner wore gold ring - forbidden by Islam

A close examination of the tape shows none of the five masked men is wearing gloves, so federal officials are trying to determine if there are any tell-tale tattoos on their hands. One of the clues the FBI and CIA is studying is the large gold ring Zarqawi is wearing on his right hand, giving off a glare several times during the six-minute tape.

http://www.khilafah.com/home/category.php?DocumentID=9529&TagID=2

[2pac Shakur]

Berg Executioner wore gold ring - forbidden by Islam

A close examination of the tape shows none of the five masked men is wearing gloves, so federal officials are trying to determine if there are any tell-tale tattoos on their hands. One of the clues the FBI and CIA is studying is the large gold ring Zarqawi is wearing on his right hand, giving off a glare several times during the six-minute tape.

http://www.khilafah.com/home/category.php?DocumentID=9529&TagID=2

Other rings are not forbidden. Perhaps they think it is gold but it is actually another metal? Silver? A diamond?

Or maybe a member of the CIA just forgot to take his ring off.

Maybe Berg was in U.S. custody.
Maybe he wasn't.

[2pac Shakur]

Mind if I borrow your chair?

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2004-05/08/xinsrc_400501100951469170513.jpg

http://radio-canada.ca/nouvelles/ressources/images/normales/n/ni/040511nick-berg-video_n.jpg

http://www.libertyforum.org/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=news_members&Number=1469025&t=-1#Post1469025

[Tim><]

Three consecutive posts with no content. Impressive.

I know I haven't quite gotten to your record of 3318 posts with no content, but I have hope.

The impressive thing was not that three posts of yours had no content. I found it impressive that you actually responded to the same thread three consecutive times with no content. Even though the post I cited had no content either, I broke your chain at three.

[Oblomov retired (student)]

The fact that you dedicate a thread to the claim that it is all some sort of US administration plot is beyond weird. The fact that you garner support is astonishing.
You need more cynicism in your world view. There are plenty of examples of governments fabricating events at convenient times (including yours and mine, btw). I am not saying it is the case here, but I am open to the possibility. The timing is very convenient.

Why is it that every time something happens, "The timing is very convenient?"

They said that when Saddam was captured. I'm scratching my head today, trying to figure out why that was such a great time for it to happen.

Yes, thank God this beheading happened when it did! The timing couldn't have been better!
What kind of argument is that? Do you deny that governments sometimes fabricate events?

I think it is entirely conceivable that Berg’s body was found and some part of government decided to stage a little movie about it. Note that I am not saying this is the case, I am just open to the possibility. Two other threads are about fake photos of soldiers abusing Iraqi's in the Boston Globe and the Mirror. The photo’s being fakes doesn’t mean similar events did not happen. The same with this movie.

When I keep reading "a videotape released on an islamist website", I'd like to know where it came from. I find "The tape was entitled Abu Mussab al-Zarqawi slaughtering an American" fishy. What tape? The usual communication channel is sending tapes to media organisations. Now there is an al Qa'ida -linked website?

[DonkeyPunch (Banned)]

Berg Executioner wore gold ring - forbidden by Islam

A close examination of the tape shows none of the five masked men is wearing gloves, so federal officials are trying to determine if there are any tell-tale tattoos on their hands. One of the clues the FBI and CIA is studying is the large gold ring Zarqawi is wearing on his right hand, giving off a glare several times during the six-minute tape.

http://www.khilafah.com/home/category.php?DocumentID=9529&amp;TagID=2

I thought the murder of innocent people was forbidden by Islam too ...

[DonkeyPunch (Banned)]

Mind if I borrow your chair?

:lol: I have 2 of those chairs on my patio. They were a parting gift when I left the CIA.

The terrorist apologists are getting desperate.

[2pac Shakur]

Mind if I borrow your chair?

:lol: I have 2 of those chairs on my patio. They were a parting gift when I left the CIA.

The terrorist apologists are getting desperate.

Do you also have an orange jumpsuit?

[2pac Shakur]

WEST CHESTER, Pennsylvania (CNN) -- When Nicholas Berg took an Oklahoma bus to a remote college campus a few years ago, the American recently beheaded by terrorists allowed a man with terrorist connections to use his laptop computer, according to his father.

Michael Berg said the FBI investigated the matter more than a year ago. He stressed that his son was in no way connected to the terrorists who captured and killed him.

Government sources told CNN that the encounter involved an acquaintance of Zacarias Moussaoui -- the only person publicly charged in the United States in connection with the September 11, 2001, terror attacks.

According to Berg, his son was taking a course a few years ago at a remote campus of the University of Oklahoma near an airport. He described how on one particular day, his son met "some terrorist people -- who no one knew were terrorists at the time."

http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/Northeast/05/13/berg.encounter/index.html

DonkeyPunch - have you met with Moussaoui, too? Maybe he's the guy you got your patio chairs from?

This ain't no cartoon
no one slips on bananas
do you really think that that car killed Diana
hell I shot Ronald Reagan, I shot JFK,
I slept with Marilyn (Monroe) she sung me happy birthday

[2pac Shakur]

Mind if I borrow your chair?

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2004-05/08/xinsrc_400501100951469170513.jpg

http://radio-canada.ca/nouvelles/ressources/images/normales/n/ni/040511nick-berg-video_n.jpg

http://www.libertyforum.org/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=news_members&Number=1469025&t=-1#Post1469025

There's the chair.
AND the yellow walls.
The US jumpsuit looks like US military issue.
Berg was in US custody.
Let's wait and see what the gummint says. Wave yer flag!


http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/040513/040513_abuse_hlg_3p.hlarge.jpg

[DonkeyPunch (Banned)]

There's the chair.
AND the yellow walls.
The US jumpsuit looks like US military issue.
Berg was in US custody.
Let's wait and see what the gummint says. Wave yer flag!


Everyone knows yellow paint, orange jumpsuits, and white plastic chairs can only be used by the US government.

The real question is, why would the US government use equipment that ONLY THEY had access to in their faked Berg execution video. Surely they knew hordes of investigators would be in their labs (Mom's basement) pointing this out!

[Oblomov retired (student)]

Here's a 50 point summary of what's wrong with the video:

http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2004/5/15/22827/0477

[DonkeyPunch (Banned)]

Here's a 50 point summary of what's wrong with the video:

http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2004/5/15/22827/0477

:lol: So you don't believe a sniper killed an Israeli soldier carrying an old ladies' groceries, but you believe this?

For the record, here's the list that Obie had originally posted. I guess this one was too stupid even for him:

http://www.topplerummy.org/berg/

[fallout]

Here's a 50 point summary of what's wrong with the video:

http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2004/5/15/22827/0477

:lol: So you don't believe a sniper killed an Israeli soldier carrying an old ladies' groceries, but you believe this?

For the record, here's the list that Obie had originally posted. I guess this one was too stupid even for him:

http://www.topplerummy.org/berg/

Did you notice they counted #3 twice?

[Oblomov retired (student)]

Here's a 50 point summary of what's wrong with the video:

http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2004/5/15/22827/0477

:lol: So you don't believe a sniper killed an Israeli soldier carrying an old ladies' groceries, but you believe this?

For the record, here's the list that Obie had originally posted. I guess this one was too stupid even for him:

http://www.topplerummy.org/berg/

Did you notice they counted #3 twice?

That leaves 49? Or 51?

[DonkeyPunch (Banned)]

Here's a 50 point summary of what's wrong with the video:

http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2004/5/15/22827/0477

:lol: So you don't believe a sniper killed an Israeli soldier carrying an old ladies' groceries, but you believe this?

For the record, here's the list that Obie had originally posted. I guess this one was too stupid even for him:

http://www.topplerummy.org/berg/

Did you notice they counted #3 twice?

That leaves 49? Or 51?

Actually, guys, this is a pretty damaging collection of evidence. Consider:

25]Nick Berg's tower company is not registered in his home state of Pennsylvania. While not a legal requirement, state officials report it would be nearly impossible to do business without registering.

28] One of the towers Berg worked on, the biggest and most damaged one, was near the prison.

And my personal favorite:

4] An Islamic extremist would know the proper way to behead someone. It is the chosen form of execution in Saudi Arabia and probably other Arab nations as well. It is accomplished with one clean sword stroke to the neck. The person hacking off the head obviously had a great deal of difficulty doing so, owing to the poor choice of blade and technique.

[DonkeyPunch (Banned)]

Apparently, they forgot to reread the manual on proper beheading technique before they were in position to do so.

Hey, I've got a whacky conspiracy theory: Suppose Al Qaeda decided to do this, and they said to themselves, "Let's do everything wrong. Let's make this look like Islamic terrorists, except that there will be some things that raise questions about Islam in the video. It will confuse people, and the American sympathizers will probably end up blaming their own government! Here's a gold ring. And be sure not to use proper beheading technique. And let's see if we can find a Jew. After all, nobody would ever believe an Islamic extremist would execute a Jew..."

In light of this, I've been reconsidering the Oklahoma City bombing. McVeigh must have been framed, since a bomb was used in Oklahoma City, and everyone knows the most popular method of execution in the US is lethal injection.

[2pac Shakur]

Maybe we should put the RIAA on the case. Gotta be better than the CIA (Criminals In Action)...


Update
JackBlood.com has also learned that these same websites (www.al-asnar.net and www.al-asnar.biz) were the ones that posted the latest Bin Laden audio recording, weeks ago. Despite knowing the website addresses, and potentially the addresses of their respective publishers, the CIA, the FBI, and the Department of Homeland Security did not make any apparent efforts to monitor the websites for uploaded files or internet traffic. Therefore, no arrests were made.

How is it possible for the FBI to pinpoint with astonishing accuracy the location of a twelve-year-old child that downloads a music file from the internet, but hasn’t been able to catch the ‘terrorists’ that upload video files –containing criminal evidence- on the internet?

http://inn.globalfreepress.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=218

[2pac Shakur]

4. The most telling evidence that the video of the decapitation of Nicholas Berg was taken inside the Abu Ghraib prison can only be detected by performing a frame by frame analysis. La Voz de Aztlan did just that and some revealing frames came up that are difficult to see if the video is played on normal speed. Towards the end of the video, at frames 9306 through 9368, a person with a US military cap temporarily pokes about a quarter of his left head into the video. His neck, left ear and part of his cap and visor can be seen. We have prepared an animated gif with just the relevant frames that clearly shows this at Animated Photo 7. Look at the right hand side as someone with a military cap, possibly with a second video camera, pokes his head into the video. Compare this animated gif with the MP whose cap is circled on Photo 4.

I can't really make out a cap, but a hand is definitely visible, and a very white hand...

http://www.aztlan.net/berg_abu_ghraib_video.htm

[fallout]

4. The most telling evidence that the video of the decapitation of Nicholas Berg was taken inside the Abu Ghraib prison can only be detected by performing a frame by frame analysis. La Voz de Aztlan did just that and some revealing frames came up that are difficult to see if the video is played on normal speed. Towards the end of the video, at frames 9306 through 9368, a person with a US military cap temporarily pokes about a quarter of his left head into the video. His neck, left ear and part of his cap and visor can be seen. We have prepared an animated gif with just the relevant frames that clearly shows this at Animated Photo 7. Look at the right hand side as someone with a military cap, possibly with a second video camera, pokes his head into the video. Compare this animated gif with the MP whose cap is circled on Photo 4.

I can't really make out a cap, but a hand is definitely visible, and a very white hand...

http://www.aztlan.net/berg_abu_ghraib_video.htm

I have to assume this is one of the lesser known two headed American marines.

[BigMactuary,]

There are plenty of examples of governments fabricating events at convenient times

Exactly. I was under the impression that my government was made up of angels from heaven up until 5th grade. if you kept this belief beyond that time, thats whats astonishing.

[BigMactuary,]

i can see what 2pac is saying and dont agree or disagree although i also think the video has problems and its timing was questionable.

my only point right now is the jumpsuit looks like its made of silk. if US is using silky jumpsuits bought using my tax dollars, i want a full and immediate disclosure and return.

[2pac Shakur]

4. The most telling evidence that the video of the decapitation of Nicholas Berg was taken inside the Abu Ghraib prison can only be detected by performing a frame by frame analysis. La Voz de Aztlan did just that and some revealing frames came up that are difficult to see if the video is played on normal speed. Towards the end of the video, at frames 9306 through 9368, a person with a US military cap temporarily pokes about a quarter of his left head into the video. His neck, left ear and part of his cap and visor can be seen. We have prepared an animated gif with just the relevant frames that clearly shows this at Animated Photo 7. Look at the right hand side as someone with a military cap, possibly with a second video camera, pokes his head into the video. Compare this animated gif with the MP whose cap is circled on Photo 4.

I can't really make out a cap, but a hand is definitely visible, and a very white hand...

http://www.aztlan.net/berg_abu_ghraib_video.htm

I have to assume this is one of the lesser known two headed American marines.

I have 2 heads. Don't you?

[DonkeyPunch (Banned)]

4. The most telling evidence that the video of the decapitation of Nicholas Berg was taken inside the Abu Ghraib prison can only be detected by performing a frame by frame analysis. La Voz de Aztlan did just that and some revealing frames came up that are difficult to see if the video is played on normal speed. Towards the end of the video, at frames 9306 through 9368, a person with a US military cap temporarily pokes about a quarter of his left head into the video. His neck, left ear and part of his cap and visor can be seen. We have prepared an animated gif with just the relevant frames that clearly shows this at Animated Photo 7. Look at the right hand side as someone with a military cap, possibly with a second video camera, pokes his head into the video. Compare this animated gif with the MP whose cap is circled on Photo 4.

I can't really make out a cap, but a hand is definitely visible, and a very white hand...

http://www.aztlan.net/berg_abu_ghraib_video.htm

I have to assume this is one of the lesser known two headed American marines.

I have 2 heads. Don't you?

:lol: Yes, but I haven't shown my second head on video since that regretable "experimental phase" I went through in college.

[2pac Shakur]

You think Al Qaeda buys their prisoner uniforms the same place the U.S. military does (China)?

http://radio-canada.ca/nouvelles/ressources/images/normales/n/ni/040511nick-berg-video_n.jpg

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20040521/capt.dcwap10505212045.iraq_prisoner_abuse_dcwap105 .jpg

[DonkeyPunch (Banned)]

You think Al Qaeda buys their prisoner uniforms the same place the U.S. military does (China)?

Perhaps some prisoners were released by the Americans wearing their jumpsuits, and that's where the terrorists got them. Or is that too logical a hypothesis?

[2pac Shakur]

You think Al Qaeda buys their prisoner uniforms the same place the U.S. military does (China)?

Perhaps some prisoners were released by the Americans wearing their jumpsuits, and that's where the terrorists got them. Or is that too logical a hypothesis?

But the USA said Berg was never in custody.
Are you saying the USA is lying?
GOOD! You're catching on.

[Happy Extinction]

Does anyone else think that Berg's costume does not look like an orange prison jumpsuit? If you watch the video, the suit looks shiny like silk. And look at the sleeves. They are loosefitting and come down about 2/3rds of the way - and the cuff is flayed not tight. So I don't really buy it.

[IAm@Work.com]

Does anyone else think that Berg's costume does not look like an orange prison jumpsuit? If you watch the video, the suit looks shiny like silk. And look at the sleeves. They are loosefitting and come down about 2/3rds of the way - and the cuff is flayed not tight. So I don't really buy it.I personally would like to thank 2Pac for posting the pictures side by side making it obvious to everyone that the two outfits are not alike other than superficially. It helps to have this type of stuff so we can see that those that want us to believe that Berg was wearing the same prison outfit are jerking us around, as presumably they have eyes as well.

Thanks, 2Pac.

[Harry]

Does anyone else think that Berg's costume does not look like an orange prison jumpsuit? If you watch the video, the suit looks shiny like silk. And look at the sleeves. They are loosefitting and come down about 2/3rds of the way - and the cuff is flayed not tight. So I don't really buy it.

I thought the same thing.

[DonkeyPunch (Banned)]

You think Al Qaeda buys their prisoner uniforms the same place the U.S. military does (China)?

Perhaps some prisoners were released by the Americans wearing their jumpsuits, and that's where the terrorists got them. Or is that too logical a hypothesis?

But the USA said Berg was never in custody.
Are you saying the USA is lying?
GOOD! You're catching on.

I didn't say it was BERG's jumpsuit --- it could have belonged to someone else who was released.

And now that other people mention it, those two uniforms don't really look alike.

[2pac Shakur]

So, where does AQ buy their prison jumpsuits?
Must be a different store than the US military.

[DonkeyPunch (Banned)]

So, where does AQ buy their prison jumpsuits?
Must be a different store than the US military.

:wall:

Even if that IS a prison jumpsuit, they didn't buy it. They would have gotten it from someone (not Berg) the Americans were holding and then released. Don't you think its possible that some American prisoners are released wearing their jumpsuits?

[Pseudolus]

Maybe they buy them off the internet. (http://www.pxdirect.com/inmate_u.htm) It's not like these orange jumpsuits are ultra-rare and impossible to find - you know, like white plastic lawn chairs.

[DonkeyPunch (Banned)]

Maybe they buy them off the internet. (http://www.pxdirect.com/inmate_u.htm) It's not like these orange jumpsuits are ultra-rare and impossible to find - you know, like white plastic lawn chairs.

Woah. You must work for the CIA.

[2pac Shakur]

Maybe they buy them off the internet. (http://www.pxdirect.com/inmate_u.htm) It's not like these orange jumpsuits are ultra-rare and impossible to find - you know, like white plastic lawn chairs.

Not like AQ is being tracked.
I'm sure an order for many jumpsuits that would fit your average American male, from the Middle East would raise no eyebrows.
And it's not like this is the only thing strange about the Berg video.
What's your explanation for the Berg Moussaoui connection?
Coincidence?