Beneath the Planet of the Exam Committee

[Tim><]

Response number 2500!!!!!!!!!!

:wav:

[ahow]

Cool! I've been waiting to write a death scene...

Vote: Anonymouse

pssssst, you have to unvote first....

Collusion!!!!!! :viola:Wow traitor, you know all the dirty tricks...

[Kaput Shakur]

There you go KP, welcome to this century!

[Tim><]

:oops:

[the mole]

you have to TRUST ME.Works for me.

[Tim><]

KARMA POLICE WILL BE ORGANIZING HIS OWN SET OF DATA. PLEASE PM ME PIECE OF RELEVANT DATA. PROVIDE A CYPHER IF YOU WOULD LIKE MY ADVICE ON HOW TO USE YOUR VOTES.

[Mulan]

Vote: Kaput Shakur

[Tim><]

INCIDENTALLY, MY POST IS INTENDED TO INCLUDE OTHER GHOSTS WHO ARE NOT IMPRESSED WITH THE WORK OF THE GHOST FORUM.

[Traina]

Vote:RedSoxFan

[cubedbee]

INCIDENTALLY, MY POST IS INTENDED TO INCLUDE OTHER GHOSTS WHO ARE NOT IMPRESSED WITH THE WORK OF THE GHOST FORUM.

You know that other ghosts are not allow to PM you anything game related, let alone pieces of relevant information or cyphers?

[Tim><]

INCIDENTALLY, MY POST IS INTENDED TO INCLUDE OTHER GHOSTS WHO ARE NOT IMPRESSED WITH THE WORK OF THE GHOST FORUM.

You know that other ghosts are not allow to PM you anything game related, let alone pieces of relevant information or cyphers?

Why not?

[cubedbee]

INCIDENTALLY, MY POST IS INTENDED TO INCLUDE OTHER GHOSTS WHO ARE NOT IMPRESSED WITH THE WORK OF THE GHOST FORUM.

You know that other ghosts are not allow to PM you anything game related, let alone pieces of relevant information or cyphers?

Why not?

It's in the rules. You might not think you have to abide by them, but others do.

[Tim><]

INCIDENTALLY, MY POST IS INTENDED TO INCLUDE OTHER GHOSTS WHO ARE NOT IMPRESSED WITH THE WORK OF THE GHOST FORUM.

You know that other ghosts are not allow to PM you anything game related, let alone pieces of relevant information or cyphers?

Why not?

It's in the rules. You might not think you have to abide by them, but others do.

I am a ghost. Ghosts can PM other ghosts.

[cubedbee]

INCIDENTALLY, MY POST IS INTENDED TO INCLUDE OTHER GHOSTS WHO ARE NOT IMPRESSED WITH THE WORK OF THE GHOST FORUM.

You know that other ghosts are not allow to PM you anything game related, let alone pieces of relevant information or cyphers?

Why not?

It's in the rules. You might not think you have to abide by them, but others do.

I am a ghost. Ghosts can PM other ghosts.

And I'm EC1 and say stupid things. What's your point?

[Tim><]

INCIDENTALLY, MY POST IS INTENDED TO INCLUDE OTHER GHOSTS WHO ARE NOT IMPRESSED WITH THE WORK OF THE GHOST FORUM.

You know that other ghosts are not allow to PM you anything game related, let alone pieces of relevant information or cyphers?

Why not?

It's in the rules. You might not think you have to abide by them, but others do.

Also, what rules have I broken? Mr. P ruled that Gandalf was full of crap in his accusation.

[Tim><]

INCIDENTALLY, MY POST IS INTENDED TO INCLUDE OTHER GHOSTS WHO ARE NOT IMPRESSED WITH THE WORK OF THE GHOST FORUM.

You know that other ghosts are not allow to PM you anything game related, let alone pieces of relevant information or cyphers?

Why not?

It's in the rules. You might not think you have to abide by them, but others do.

I am a ghost. Ghosts can PM other ghosts.



And I'm EC1 and say stupid things. What's your point?

Last time around, there was a lot of talk about the great influence that ghosts were having in the game. This time, ghosts must limit their participation to (a) PMs to other ghosts and (b) public posts. Active students may continue to PM each other.
:duh:

[Asynchronous]

I have no reason for this vote other than his poor strategy of rejecting the advice and cooperation of the ghost forum. We will be increasingly reliant on the their advice as the game moves to the closing stages, so I'm in favor of circling the wagons now, given the reduced time frame for decisions going forward.

Vote: Ebenezer Kohl

[cubedbee]

Inundating this thread with non-substantial posts to confuse the students is a very good strategy. I'm glad you thought of it, KP.

[Tim><]

:moon:

[cubedbee]

I have no reason for this vote other than his poor strategy of rejecting the advice and cooperation of the ghost forum. We will be increasingly reliant on the their advice as the game moves to the closing stages, so I'm in favor of circling the wagons now, given the reduced time frame for decisions going forward.

Vote: Ebenezer Kohl

I'm astounded that EK hasn't been taken out yet. Even if the Ghosts 'know' that he is innocent, it seems like he's too much trouble to keep alive just because he's innocent.

[snafu]

I have no reason for this vote other than his poor strategy of rejecting the advice and cooperation of the ghost forum. We will be increasingly reliant on the their advice as the game moves to the closing stages, so I'm in favor of circling the wagons now, given the reduced time frame for decisions going forward.

Vote: Ebenezer Kohl

I'm astounded that EK hasn't been taken out yet. Even if the Ghosts 'know' that he is innocent, it seems like he's too much trouble to keep alive just because he's innocent.

And as I've said before - if we let EK die then we'll have to listen to his crap both here and in the ghost forum :D

[urysohn]

Getting way ahead of things (well, it's not like I need to worry about finding EC or anything), here's a rules change I think y'all should consider for next game:
- no more Slayer
- instead of the slayer's turn each round, the ghosts get a shot. Each individual ghost has two options each round: haunt somebody or do not haunt somebody (e.g. vote as "HAUNT: Ebenezer Kohl"). If 60% of the ghosts choose to haunt somebody, then a haunting will occur. The individual with the most number of haunt-votes becomes killed by the ghosts. This would differ from the students round in that the ghosts would not need to collectively choose a majority individual to haunt -- the majority only comes in when deciding whether or not to haunt.
- The ghosts act as ghosts -- no game-related contact with the living. Ghosts may freely communicate with each other.

This way the ghost's still maintain an active role in the game, while not actually interfering with player decisions.

[Asynchronous]

And as I've said before - if we let EK die then we'll have to listen to his crap both here and in the ghost forum :D

I thought that Leela was still busy processing CubedBee's paperwork... One never knows how long it might be before they could even consider EK's. :roll:


CubedBee - Sorry, but yours wasn't the vote of confidence I was looking for. Anyone else? There's plenty of room on this bandwagon!!!

[Ebenezer Kohl]

Your partner could always take me out, cubedbee. Perhaps I’m the slayer. Why does EC2 allow me to continue?

4 Anonymouse - Anonymouse Ultimate Anyone?
2 Avi - xxx Butters
1 Asynchronous - Ebenezer Kohl ahow
1 Ebenezer Kohl - Asynchronous Hagbard Celine
1 RedSoxFan - xxx Ebenezer Kohl
1 Maine-iac - Avi Werewolf
1 Kaput Shakur - xxx Leela
Macroman - Anonymouse Sunny
Ultimate Anyone - Anonymouse Jables
J.T. - Anonymouse thing
Jables - Avi Gandalf
Traina - RedSoxFan J.T.
Werewolf - Maine-iac 4sigma
Mulan - Kupat Shakur Cho Da
Will Durant - xxx snafu
BC - xxx jadzia
All Clear - xxx Maine-iac
jadzia - xxx Kupat Shakur
Kenshiro - xxx Traina

I second urysohn’s suggestion. If that favors students too much, add EC.

[Avi]

Oh Penguin my Penguin!


Rules clarification, please.

What would happen if the sleeper were active now, and someone picked two names (NOT including B^2.5) who happend to be EC2 and the sleeper, and then let us say that the sleeper is knocked off first.

When EC2 is finally wiped, both this person, and the one who has B³ will have actually had their picks become correct simultaneously.

Who gets the Swingline™?

[Avi]

I'm astounded that EK hasn't been taken out yet. Even if the Ghosts 'know' that he is innocent, it seems like he's too much trouble to keep alive just because he's innocent.

His being a ghost will not stop the torrent. And he is obfuscitory enough that anything he types can be considered cryptic :D :P

[Mr. Penguin]

Oh Penguin my Penguin!


Rules clarification, please.

What would happen if the sleeper were active now, and someone picked two names (NOT including B&lt;sup&gt;2.5&lt;/sup&gt;) who happend to be EC2 and the sleeper, and then let us say that the sleeper is knocked off first.

When EC2 is finally wiped, both this person, and the one who has B³ will have actually had their picks become correct simultaneously.

Who gets the Swingline™?

The consensus seems to be "anybody but Avi".

:wink:

The stapler pick is for the two original EC. There are actually a few scenarios though where there could, hypothetically, be a tie. But I doubt that any of those will happen.

[Leela]

EK, your count is off I think. I believe Anonymouse's vote is still recorded as Maine-iac since he has not successfully unvoted Maine-iac. This means Anonymouse has only 3 votes, which is good because we don't want a bandwagon to start up too soon again.


The ghosts hope to have suggestions ready this evening, but it may be early tomorrow morning. We're still wait for a couple of ghosts to voice their opinions (not all of them have internet access during the day).

[Mr. Penguin]

I'm accepting Anonymouse's quasi-unvote. I've accepted others' non-specific unvotes, but for tracking purposes, I will continue to require an unvote merely as a tracking tool.

[Gandalf]

Mr. P ruled that Gandalf was full of crap in his accusation.
That's a very loose interpretation of what Mr. P decided. :roll:

[Tim><]

Mr. P ruled that Gandalf was full of crap in his accusation.
That's a very loose interpretation of what Mr. P decided. :roll:

Says the person ruled against.

[Kaput Shakur]

KARMA POLICE WILL BE ORGANIZING HIS OWN SET OF DATA. PLEASE PM ME PIECE OF RELEVANT DATA. PROVIDE A CYPHER IF YOU WOULD LIKE MY ADVICE ON HOW TO USE YOUR VOTES.

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[Tim><]

Has EC2 used any piglatin recently? If so, I have a hunch . . .

[Tim><]

Piglatin should probably be capitalized.

[Tim><]

Maybe Pig-Latin should be hyphenated.

[Tim><]

Maybe it should be pig-Latin.

[Rocky]

It sounds more pork polish (no offense to the Warsaw swine that may be in this forum)...

[Tim><]

Should Pork Polish be capitalized?

[Will Durant]

Should Pork Polish be capitalized?
Why would anyone want to polish pork?

And can we keep the non-game-related nonsense to a minimum?

[Mulan]

Should Pork Polish be capitalized?
Why would anyone want to polish pork?

And can we keep the non-game-related nonsense to a minimum?I agree. (Is this the first time we've ever agreed?)

Though I suspect he wants it at a minimum so he doesn't accidently vote to lynch his activated sleeper. :wink:

[cubedbee]

Should Pork Polish be capitalized?
Why would anyone want to polish pork?

And can we keep the non-game-related nonsense to a minimum?I agree. (Is this the first time we've ever agreed?)

Though I suspect he wants it at a minimum so he doesn't accidently vote to lynch his activated sleeper. :wink:

I'm the stupid one, remember. :duh:

[Butters]

I just wanted to thank everyone for the compliments that I have received on my death scene. I'm glad my death brought at least some joy to the innocent students (the EC, on the other hand, is always happy to see another innocent die :swear: ).

To the slayer, I am sorry that you have more innocent blood on your hands, but all will be forgiven if the EC gets rubbed out!

Death to the EC!!!

[Ebenezer Kohl]

I'm the stupid one, remember. :duh:
Is that important for us to remember? :roll:

[Mulan]

I'm the stupid one, remember. :duh:
Is that important for us to remember? :roll:I think Cubedbee just OUTED Will Durant as the other EC!! :o

Unvote: Kaput Shakur
Vote: Will Durant

Tell us who the sleeper is, Will, and we'll let you live. . . .

[Rocky]

Should Pork Polish be capitalized?
Why would anyone want to polish pork?

And can we keep the non-game-related nonsense to a minimum?

If you define "minimum" as less than 93% of the posts in the thread, we may be in compliance with that request.

[Kaput Shakur]

KP-

Iay suggestunay ulanMay.

[Mulan]

KP-

Iay suggestunay ulanMay.You'd be ongWray....

[4sigma]

Should Pork Polish be capitalized?
Why would anyone want to polish pork?

And can we keep the non-game-related nonsense to a minimum?

If you define "minimum" as less than 93% of the posts in the thread, we may be in compliance with that request.

Apparently karma police has mistaken this forum for the reef. Out, damned snorkler!

[Mr. Penguin]

5:20 pm, Tuesday Vote Summary:

Anonymouse 4
Avi 2
Asynchronous 1
Ebenezer Kohlx 1
Maine-iac 1
RedSoxFan 1
Will Durant 1

[Ebenezer Kohl]

So my sister goes into a Souper Salad and tries the first soup, doesn't like, second soup, doesn't like, third soup, doesn't like it, SO she fills her bowl with the fourth and final soup available. I ask why she didn't try it first. She declares by the law of averages that she must like the fourth soup.

Does anyone think Jables is the sleeper?

[4sigma]

So my sister goes into a Souper Salad and tries the first soup, doesn't like, second soup, doesn't like, third soup, doesn't like it, SO she fills her bowl with the fourth and final soup available. I ask why she didn't try it first. She declares by the law of averages that she must like the fourth soup.

Does anyone think Jables is the sleeper?

EK,

I think that Chili is always available at the soup bar. If she tried the first three and none of them were Chili, then it makes sense that she would try the final one available, without the need to try it first.

Hopefully your sister also likes the little blueberry muffins.

[Ebenezer Kohl]

I don’t believe it was chili, 4sigma. Let me continue because the next part is what upset my sister. She claimed it was like her car being stolen once, thus she is LESS likely for her car to be stolen again. Lightning doesn’t strike twice. She was quite frustrated when I explained otherwise.

I wonder if cubedbee told Jables that he was the sleeper. Psychology learned from the last game lends to hiding in plain view.

[4sigma]

EK,

Understood and sorry to hear that your sister is still upset. I hope that she will be feeling better soon. I agree that it is disconcerting when lightning strikes again so closely to where it struck last. These coincidences do seem to happen more often than people realize. If your sister is not an actuary, hopefully you can help her to understand the mathematics of it.

[Mulan]

Wish I understood EKs and 4sigma's little code. They seem to be saying something quite significant....

OH!! NOW I get it!

EC2 : the salad bar is all you can eat and includes a soft drink and unlimited peach pie...if you coincidentally find a pit in your peach pie, the meal is gratis. Good luck!!

Kill WILL! Death to the EC!!

[Ebenezer Kohl]

My sister works in the Arts. She was also upset when she learned that one of my actuarial friends was married to a doctor. She thinks it is the duty of the well paid to marry someone from the other end of the spectrum. She tells this same souper story to her artsy friends and they agree with her law of averages.

I wonder. Wonder. Wonder. Wonder. Who is the sleeper? Where is EC2? Why doesn’t cubedbee respond to me? Hmmm…. Curious, it is. Who do we lynch? When do we lynch? Will there be discussion after the GC announcement or just another bandwagon, not that there is anything wrong with a good bandwagon.

Time keeps on tickin’….

[Tim><]

I see EK is now colluding with the POS ghost forum. Anyone else starting to think that the students are going to lose?

[Tim><]

Incidentally, the POS acronym in the above post in no way equates the ghost forum with a point of service health insurance plan.

[Butters]

On behalf of the ghost forum, we suggest that the students lynch the player that I have been pointing at since the beginning, Avi.

Avi, even though I won't be able to join the lynch mob, you can be sure that I will be there in spirit. :wink:

If you insist on disregarding the ghosts main choice, we would not object to lynching werewolf.

Avi, if you are truly innocent, we apologize in advance for this lynching.

[Ebenezer Kohl]

:party:

[Tim><]

On behalf of the ghost forum, we suggest that the students lynch the player that I have been pointing at since the beginning, Avi.

Avi, even though I won't be able to join the lynch mob, you can be sure that I will be there in spirit. :wink:

If you insist on disregarding the ghosts main choice, we would not object to lynching werewolf.

Avi, if you are truly innocent, we apologize in advance for this lynching.

Shouldn't you be busy filming transvestite fourth graders instead of giving crappy advice on why the living students' ideas are second rate?

I better qualify this by saying that the implication in the previous sentence is a direct reference to the character Butters in the TV show South Park.

[Mulan]

On behalf of the ghost forum, we suggest that the students lynch the player that I have been pointing at since the beginning, Avi.

Avi, even though I won't be able to join the lynch mob, you can be sure that I will be there in spirit. :wink:

If you insist on disregarding the ghosts main choice, we would not object to lynching werewolf.

Avi, if you are truly innocent, we apologize in advance for this lynching.You all NEVER vote for who I want to vote for. (pout)

However, I do think the choice is a good one since it has the effect of giving some weight to the votes from those who gave their proxy to Sunny, who cannot vote for them now.

Unvote: Will Durant (Let's kill him next round, eh??)
Vote: Avi

[cubedbee]

I knew you ghosts would come around. Congratulations on killing the sleeper.

[Ebenezer Kohl]

I knew you ghosts would come around. Congratulations on killing the sleeper.
Avi is EC2.

[Will Durant]

Vote: Avi

[Ebenezer Kohl]

I give my full endorsement to this ghost selection. I would like to give time for discussion. Should my vote be needed, I will do so tomorrow. For now…

Unvote: Asynchronous
Vote: Werewolf

[Ultimate Anyone?]

Well, if EK says Avi is EC2, and the ghost forum suggests him, why not?

Unvote: Anonymouse
Vote: Avi

J.T. Unvote: Anonymouse
J.T. Vote: Avi

[Mulan]

I knew you ghosts would come around. Congratulations on killing the sleeper.
Avi is EC2.I thought WILL is EC2 and that you know who the sleeper is.

[cubedbee]

EK knows everything there is to know in this game.

Is now a bad time to admit I was lying about Avi's guilt?

[Mulan]

EK knows everything there is to know in this game.

Is now a bad time to admit I was lying about Avi's guilt?Surprise.

[Butters]

Here are the reasons for our choices:
1. EC2's language sounds like someone active in Political. Both Avi and Werewolf are active there.
2. Both Avi and Werewolf fit the posting pattern for EC2.
3. All along EC1 and cubedbee have been trying to throw suspicion on Avi, but too obviously. They never expected us to buy it.
4. Avi squelched Gandalf's early attempts to goad EC into being more vocal.

We also want to thank a student for some PMed observations about Avi. It was most helpful and instrumental in making our final determination.

Finally, we want to apologize in advance to werewolf if he is lynched and is found to be an innocent student (I apologized to Avi above, but there is a slight chance that werewolf will be lynched instead).

[Butters]

On behalf of the ghost forum, we suggest that the students lynch the player that I have been pointing at since the beginning, Avi.

Avi, even though I won't be able to join the lynch mob, you can be sure that I will be there in spirit. :wink:

If you insist on disregarding the ghosts main choice, we would not object to lynching werewolf.

Avi, if you are truly innocent, we apologize in advance for this lynching.

Shouldn't you be busy filming transvestite fourth graders instead of giving crappy advice on why the living students' ideas are second rate?

I better qualify this by saying that the implication in the previous sentence is a direct reference to the character Butters in the TV show South Park.

Hey KP, wouldn't you have a better time bothering 2pac in political? This thread is long enough without all of your crap. :shake:

Although I do like the reference to South Park. :P

[Tim><]

On behalf of the ghost forum, we suggest that the students lynch the player that I have been pointing at since the beginning, Avi.

Avi, even though I won't be able to join the lynch mob, you can be sure that I will be there in spirit. :wink:

If you insist on disregarding the ghosts main choice, we would not object to lynching werewolf.

Avi, if you are truly innocent, we apologize in advance for this lynching.

Shouldn't you be busy filming transvestite fourth graders instead of giving crappy advice on why the living students' ideas are second rate?

I better qualify this by saying that the implication in the previous sentence is a direct reference to the character Butters in the TV show South Park.

Hey KP, wouldn't you have a better time bothering 2pac in political? This thread is long enough without all of your crap. :shake:

Although I do like the reference to South Park. :P

Apparently not. :imwith:

[Butters]

Deleted because it was a duplicate post.

[Gandalf]

I knew you ghosts would come around. Congratulations on killing the sleeper.
Avi is EC2.
Does this mean we should not admit cubedbee to the ghost forum when Avi is EC, as we cannot be sure whether Avi was EC2 or the sleeper?

Maybe KP will have a spot for him.

[Tim><]

On behalf of the ghost forum, we suggest that the students lynch the player that I have been pointing at since the beginning, Avi.

Avi, even though I won't be able to join the lynch mob, you can be sure that I will be there in spirit. :wink:

If you insist on disregarding the ghosts main choice, we would not object to lynching werewolf.

Avi, if you are truly innocent, we apologize in advance for this lynching.

Shouldn't you be busy filming transvestite fourth graders instead of giving crappy advice on why the living students' ideas are second rate?

I better qualify this by saying that the implication in the previous sentence is a direct reference to the character Butters in the TV show South Park.

Hey KP, wouldn't you have a better time bothering 2pac in political? This thread is long enough without all of your crap. :shake:

Although I do like the reference to South Park. :P

Mods please move this thread and attach it to the end of here:

http://actuary.ca/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=24150

[cubedbee]

On behalf of the ghost forum, we suggest that the students lynch the player that I have been pointing at since the beginning, Avi.

Avi, even though I won't be able to join the lynch mob, you can be sure that I will be there in spirit. :wink:

If you insist on disregarding the ghosts main choice, we would not object to lynching werewolf.

Avi, if you are truly innocent, we apologize in advance for this lynching.

Shouldn't you be busy filming transvestite fourth graders instead of giving crappy advice on why the living students' ideas are second rate?

I better qualify this by saying that the implication in the previous sentence is a direct reference to the character Butters in the TV show South Park.

Hey KP, wouldn't you have a better time bothering 2pac in political? This thread is long enough without all of your crap. :shake:

Although I do like the reference to South Park. :P

Mods please move this thread and attach it to the end of here:

http://actuary.ca/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=24150

Do mods really have the power to combine threads? I thought they could only move entire threads or delete specific posts.

[Tim><]

On behalf of the ghost forum, we suggest that the students lynch the player that I have been pointing at since the beginning, Avi.

Avi, even though I won't be able to join the lynch mob, you can be sure that I will be there in spirit. :wink:

If you insist on disregarding the ghosts main choice, we would not object to lynching werewolf.

Avi, if you are truly innocent, we apologize in advance for this lynching.

Shouldn't you be busy filming transvestite fourth graders instead of giving crappy advice on why the living students' ideas are second rate?

I better qualify this by saying that the implication in the previous sentence is a direct reference to the character Butters in the TV show South Park.

Hey KP, wouldn't you have a better time bothering 2pac in political? This thread is long enough without all of your crap. :shake:

Although I do like the reference to South Park. :P

Mods please move this thread and attach it to the end of here:

http://actuary.ca/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=24150

Do mods really have the power to combine threads? I thought they could only move entire threads or delete specific posts.

Could Mod create a thread so large he couldn't delete it?

[4sigma]

I give my full endorsement to this ghost selection. I would like to give time for discussion. Should my vote be needed, I will do so tomorrow. For now…

Unvote: Asynchronous
Vote: Werewolf It is amazing the degree that I agree with EK recently. The ghosts have provided our choice of 2 nominees enough in advance that there should be some time for the students to discuss. I would encourage those voting, as they cast their vote for either Avi or Werewolf, to explain their reasons for doing so.

[Avi]

Here are the reasons for our choices:
1. EC2's language sounds like someone active in Political. Both Avi and Werewolf are active there.
ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR COTTON PICKING MIND?!?!?!?!?!

Since when am I active in political!?!?!?

I NEVER post there, well rarely.

Check out how many of my posts are in political, you numbskull!


2. Both Avi and Werewolf fit the posting pattern for EC2.

From the same moran who believed I fit the pattern for EC1!?!?



3. All along EC1 and cubedbee have been trying to throw suspicion on Avi, but too obviously. They never expected us to buy it.

OK, I think that chimpanzees and banana splits come to mind.


4. Avi squelched Gandalf's early attempts to goad EC into being more vocal.

Did you ask Gandalf about my response WHY I did it? Noo, you're just being even more dense in death than in life.

Let me PM 4sigma before this goes critical.

[Avi]

MORANS,

I have 27 out of 5531 posts in political.

I POST IN POLITICAL!?!?!?

Are you ghosts actuaries or governement accountants?

If you were the latter, I could see how 27/5531 is definitely a sign that the majority of my posts are in political, but COME ON HERE people/things.

You think that there are other reasons I'm EC2, fine. At least have the decency to post them.

But the reason of being similar to political posting is absurd!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Werewolf]

On behalf of the ghost forum, we suggest that the students lynch the player that I have been pointing at since the beginning, Avi.

Avi, even though I won't be able to join the lynch mob, you can be sure that I will be there in spirit. :wink:

If you insist on disregarding the ghosts main choice, we would not object to lynching werewolf.

Avi, if you are truly innocent, we apologize in advance for this lynching.

Given the pressure from the ghosts, I had better cast my vote for the one target that could be EC....

Unvote: Maine-iac
Vote: Avi

[Werewolf]

Here are the reasons for our choices:
1. EC2's language sounds like someone active in Political. Both Avi and Werewolf are active there.
2. Both Avi and Werewolf fit the posting pattern for EC2.
3. All along EC1 and cubedbee have been trying to throw suspicion on Avi, but too obviously. They never expected us to buy it.
4. Avi squelched Gandalf's early attempts to goad EC into being more vocal.

We also want to thank a student for some PMed observations about Avi. It was most helpful and instrumental in making our final determination.


It's nice to see the reasoning behind your decision (even if it's wrong in my case). I'm looking forward to reading the discussions on the Ghost Fora once this is over (hopefully tomorrow, after whacking Avi aka EC2).

[Werewolf]

MORANS,

I have 27 out of 5531 posts in political.

I POST IN POLITICAL!?!?!?


Even if you don't post in Political, you must read it enough to know what a moran is! :D

[4sigma]

Avi and all,

I've requested a quick review on the ghost forum to see if there is any further clarification we can provide about our reasons.

[EC3]

So my sister goes into a Souper Salad and tries the first soup, doesn't like, second soup, doesn't like, third soup, doesn't like it, SO she fills her bowl with the fourth and final soup available. I ask why she didn't try it first. She declares by the law of averages that she must like the fourth soup.

Does anyone think Jables is the sleeper?

Jables = EC3 (sleeper)? Hmm, could it be? :lol: :burn: :lol:

You people gradually seem to be getting it, yet nobody votes for Jables... :shake:

[Avi]

If the ghosts feel I'm the most likely candidate, fine. As I said, this isn't Survivor.

But y'all will be WASTING your opportunity voting for me.

1) The political reason is the biggest load of garbage, and y'all know that. Last I checked 27/5531 is NOT considered active :shake:

2) Fit a posting pattern? On what grounds?

3) The B³ issue? Sheesh, if we let the EC, even dead ones, dictate who we lynch, who do you think will win?!?!

4) I sent a reason for my response to Gandalf, which I then copied to 4sigma. In a nutshell, I thought that EC would be MORE insulted and thus goaded by what I wrote than by what Gandalf wrote.

Against my better judgement, I'll have to go public with some observations.

If anything, the use of BWAAHAAHA here http://actuary.ca/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=30397&amp;postdays=0&amp;postorder=asc&amp;sta rt=98 excludes myself, and would point to

Cannonball:

http://actuary.ca/phpBB/viewtopic.php?p=552323&amp;highlight=bwa#552323

http://actuary.ca/phpBB/viewtopic.php?p=522232&amp;highlight=bwa#522232

http://actuary.ca/phpBB/viewtopic.php?p=235233&amp;highlight=bwa#235233

Urysohn:

http://actuary.ca/phpBB/viewtopic.php?p=511161&amp;highlight=bwa#511161

http://actuary.ca/phpBB/viewtopic.php?p=484413&amp;highlight=bwa#484413

The only ones who have used it more than once.

This, combined with the Cannonballian witless prattle comment, makes me strongly belive that CannnonBall has an alterego in this thread.

I know that EC1 was witless, but I consider that to confuse us, they may have shared the ID's to throw us off the scent.

What id still alive here is obviously NOT the main idea of an RF regular?

Only Jadzia and Kaput, really. (Will = Yoda)

Factoring in political, realize that Kaput Shakur is an alter-pseudonym expressly created by an RFer for Political!!!

I think then the very evidence you quote points more strongly to Kaput than to anyone else.

BTW Kaput has 54/148 posts in political.

Last I checked .3648 &gt; .00488 (about 75 times as great).

And Tree &lt; Lion = Kenya Wins!!

Use your judgement, and use it wisely!!

Vote: Kaput Shakur

It is now 7:40 PM EDT, and I have to finally leave work and pick up my kids.

:swear: Renewals :swear:

[Jables]

This, combined with the Cannonballian witless prattle comment, makes me strongly belive that CannnonBall has an alterego in this thread.

You mean it's really just you going back and forth with yourself in the Dead Thread?!?

[Jables]

So my sister goes into a Souper Salad and tries the first soup, doesn't like, second soup, doesn't like, third soup, doesn't like it, SO she fills her bowl with the fourth and final soup available. I ask why she didn't try it first. She declares by the law of averages that she must like the fourth soup.

Does anyone think Jables is the sleeper?

Jables = EC3 (sleeper)? Hmm, could it be? :lol: :burn: :lol:

You people gradually seem to be getting it, yet nobody votes for Jables... :shake:

There's a reason nobody is voting for me, and it's because nobody's falling for your schtick! :duh:

[Ebenezer Kohl]

This, combined with the Cannonballian witless prattle comment, makes me strongly belive that CannnonBall has an alterego in this thread.
cubedbee made the witless prattle comment. :roll: The CannonBall line has grown old.
I shall enjoy my stapler. Continue on with your witless prattle.

[Ebenezer Kohl]

Actually, I am interested in urysohn. It seems obvious that he is not a player in this game, yet you would suggest him. Would he not be breaking a rule by posting under more than one alias? Why would you suggest him?

I'm honestly interested in your thoughts concerning urysohn.

[Gandalf]

4. Avi squelched Gandalf's early attempts to goad EC into being more vocal.

Did you ask Gandalf about my response WHY I did it? Noo, you're just being even more dense in death than in life.
Both #3 and #4 cut both ways, especially #3.

As to #4, my personal take on that incident is that it decreases, rather than increases, the chances Avi is EC. His claim (which he did discuss with me at the time, by PM) is that his post was an attempt to further goad the EC. I have trouble believing it would accomplish that purpose, thus I think the post may have helped the EC. OTOH, I have trouble believing an EC would make that post: why post it, instead of just PMing a warning reminder to your partner? Maybe to demonstrate an attempt to goad the EC, but with insufficient effort since he knew it would not succeed?

There is a lot here for the voters to consider. I still think each of the two is well above average likely to be EC.

[Butters]

you numbskull!
...
the same moran
...
chimpanzees and banana splits
...
you're just being even more dense in death than in life

With all of this name calling, I guess we struck a nerve. I look forward to seeing you hang. :evil:

[jadzia]

Avi and all,

I've requested a quick review on the ghost forum to see if there is any further clarification we can provide about our reasons.

That would be nice... I not convince so far (not that I'm that good a guessing who are the guilty ones...)

BTW, Avi, are u saying that I can't qualify as a regular RF poster because of my lack of posting in the past two weeks (for that, I entirely agree) or because I just have a little more than 300 posts ?

[4sigma]

After some quick consultation, I would like to provide the following clarification regarding the reasons the ghosts provided this round's nominees of Avi and Werewolf.

1) Apologies for the confusion about political. Avi is correct that he is not active there. The basis of this reason is the vocabulary that EC2 has used. We think it is consistent with someone who hangs out in political. It is true that this would include Kaput Shakur as well as Werewolf and some others. This is not our main reason for nominating Avi.

2) Regarding posting patterns, the ghosts have strong indications that EC2 was active over the memorial day weekend. Both Avi and Werewolf were active during this period when many people were not.

In addition, one particular post timing occurs on page 6 of the thread. This is when Mr. P. announces that EC has chosen their first victim. This suggests that both EC were on the forum just prior to this. Avi posts on the thread just prior to this announcement. While this does not at all prove that he was EC, it does prove that he was active at a time when EC was known to be active, and that many players were not.

3) The B^3 issue is far from clear. There is a good case to be made that he is lying through his little cubed teeth. It would also be a brilliant gambit if Avi were EC, in the hopes that the students would be sure he was lying. We leave it to the students to adjudicate the credibility of this.

4) This is probably our least important reason, but it is a small factor that seemed worth mentioning. For those who are unclear what this refers to, this is back on page 28, where Gandalf is trying to encourage EC to be more vocal, and Avi notes how EC should prefer to remain quiet. It seems that Avi may have been discouraging a good effort by Gandalf here. Avi has PMd Gandalf and myself that he feels that his (Avi's) post was in good faith. I'm not quite sure what to make of this myself -- it seems unlikely that an EC would post what Avi posted, but I disagree with Avi that it was to the advantage of the students to post as he did.

I should also mention that the reason for nominating Werewolf, in addition to #1 and #2 above, is that he did attract a fair number of votes last round. The ghosts are doing our best to provide nominees that are receiving considerable student attention, as long as they are not the slayer and we do not consider that we have any compelling evidence that they are not EC.

[RedSoxFan]

I still haven't come up with any particular reasons to vote for any particular person other than to follow the crowd.

Vote: Avi

[Ebenezer Kohl]

8 Avi - Kupat Shakur Butters
2 Anonymouse - Anonymouse Ultimate Anyone?
1 Ebenezer Kohl - Werewolf Hagbard Celine
1 RedSoxFan - Avi Ebenezer Kohl
1 Werewolf - Avi 4sigma
1 Kaput Shakur - xxx Leela

Maine-iac - Avi Werewolf
Ultimate Anyone - Avi Jables
J.T. - Avi thing
Jables - Avi Gandalf
Mulan - Avi Cho Da
Will Durant - Avi snafu
Macroman - Anonymouse Sunny
Asynchronous - Ebenezer Kohl ahow
Traina - RedSoxFan J.T.
BC - xxx jadzia
All Clear - xxx Maine-iac
jadzia - xxx Kupat Shakur
Kenshiro - xxx Traina

[urysohn]

Actually, I am interested in urysohn.
Aw shucks, EK, I appreciate that but really, I think we should just be friends.


Would he not be breaking a rule by posting under more than one alias? Why would you suggest him?

I don't think I'd be breaking any rules. You cannot be playing using two IDs. No rule on whether you are allowed to play in one ID and lurk under another. That said, I would consider it a personal ethical violation, as I have engaged in a few PM discussions which would not have occurred had I been a possible combatant in the game.

And I'm quite consistent. It's not BWAHAAHAAA. It's "bwa ha ha!"

[jadzia]

Thanks 4sigma for the clarifications.

Vote : Avi

[Ebenezer Kohl]

10 needed to lynch. Avi start working on your death scene. :burn:

9 Avi - Kupat Shakur Butters
2 Anonymouse - Anonymouse Ultimate Anyone?
1 Ebenezer Kohl - Werewolf Hagbard Celine
1 RedSoxFan - Avi Ebenezer Kohl
1 Werewolf - Avi 4sigma
1 Kaput Shakur - xxx Leela

Maine-iac - Avi Werewolf
Ultimate Anyone - Avi Jables
J.T. - Avi thing
Jables - Avi Gandalf
Mulan - Avi Cho Da
Will Durant - Avi snafu
jadzia - Avi Kupat Shakur
Macroman - Anonymouse Sunny
Asynchronous - Ebenezer Kohl ahow
Traina - RedSoxFan J.T.
BC - xxx jadzia
All Clear - xxx Maine-iac
Kenshiro - xxx Traina

[Avi]

BTW, Avi, are u saying that I can't qualify as a regular RF poster because of my lack of posting in the past two weeks (for that, I entirely agree) or because I just have a little more than 300 posts ?

No. But you are more likely to be an alter ego of someone than Maine-iac, Mulan, or myself.

[Avi]

you numbskull!
...
the same moran
...
chimpanzees and banana splits
...
you're just being even more dense in death than in life

With all of this name calling, I guess we struck a nerve. I look forward to seeing you hang. :evil: You may, but it's still a waste of your vote :D

[Avi]

This, combined with the Cannonballian witless prattle comment, makes me strongly belive that CannnonBall has an alterego in this thread.
cubedbee made the witless prattle comment. :roll: The CannonBall line has grown old.
I shall enjoy my stapler. Continue on with your witless prattle.

Perhaps, but I would not be surprised if EC1 and EC2 switched off using their ID's.

Anyway, it is still less indicative of myself than others still with us.

[Avi]

Oh Penguin my Penguin!

Y'all DO know that if anyone of the current players is a mod, this entire game is basically moot due to the ip feature of phpBB. I hope y'all had that in mind when you set this game up.

[Butters]

you numbskull!
...
the same moran
...
chimpanzees and banana splits
...
you're just being even more dense in death than in life

With all of this name calling, I guess we struck a nerve. I look forward to seeing you hang. :evil: You may, but it's still a waste of your vote :D

As EK has pointed out time after time, I don't have a vote. Only the living can lynch your sorry butt. :burn:

[Avi]

After some quick consultation, I would like to provide the following clarification regarding the reasons the ghosts provided this round's nominees of Avi and Werewolf.

1) Apologies for the confusion about political. Avi is correct that he is not active there. The basis of this reason is the vocabulary that EC2 has used. We think it is consistent with someone who hangs out in political. It is true that this would include Kaput Shakur as well as Werewolf and some others. This is not our main reason for nominating Avi.

I should hope not :roll:

2) Regarding posting patterns, the ghosts have strong indications that EC2 was active over the memorial day weekend. Both Avi and Werewolf were active during this period when many people were not.

Memorial Day weekend was May 28 - May 31, correct?

Here are all of EC2's posts. Please let me know which of them was in that time frame:

http://actuary.ca/phpBB/viewtopic.php?p=549390&amp;highlight=#549390

http://actuary.ca/phpBB/viewtopic.php?p=549406&amp;highlight=#549406

http://actuary.ca/phpBB/viewtopic.php?p=549516&amp;highlight=#549516

http://actuary.ca/phpBB/viewtopic.php?p=550523&amp;highlight=#550523

http://actuary.ca/phpBB/viewtopic.php?p=550748&amp;highlight=#550748

BTW, I am NOT a dual society candidate ;)

http://actuary.ca/phpBB/viewtopic.php?p=550837&amp;highlight=#550837

http://actuary.ca/phpBB/viewtopic.php?p=551588&amp;highlight=#551588

http://actuary.ca/phpBB/viewtopic.php?p=567279&amp;highlight=#567279

I'll save you the effort.

The first 3 are May 24

The next 4 are May 25

The last is June 9.

So what is the memorial day weekend activity you refer to!?!?

I do have a number of posts in the period of May 28 - 31, but then again, I have a number of posts on most any day other than Saturday.

In addition, one particular post timing occurs on page 6 of the thread. This is when Mr. P. announces that EC has chosen their first victim. This suggests that both EC were on the forum just prior to this. Avi posts on the thread just prior to this announcement. While this does not at all prove that he was EC, it does prove that he was active at a time when EC was known to be active, and that many players were not.



You refer to here, I presume: http://actuary.ca/phpBB/viewtopic.php?p=549864&amp;#549864

Below are the 5 posts immediately prior to that one

Check out http://actuary.ca/phpBB/viewtopic.php?p=549863&amp;#549863
by Johnny c

http://actuary.ca/phpBB/viewtopic.php?p=549862&amp;#549862
by cosmic

http://actuary.ca/phpBB/viewtopic.php?p=549861&amp;#549861
by karma police &lt;-- Proven innocent.

http://actuary.ca/phpBB/viewtopic.php?p=549860&amp;#549860

by moe

http://actuary.ca/phpBB/viewtopic.php?p=549859&amp;#549859

by TDA.

Now lets try the 5 posts immediately subsequent to that:

http://actuary.ca/phpBB/viewtopic.php?p=549865&amp;#549865

by TDA

http://actuary.ca/phpBB/viewtopic.php?p=549866&amp;#549866

by spotted cow

http://actuary.ca/phpBB/viewtopic.php?p=549867&amp;#549867

by liver fluke ranger

http://actuary.ca/phpBB/viewtopic.php?p=549868&amp;#549868

by titania

http://actuary.ca/phpBB/viewtopic.php?p=549869&amp;#549869

by [deleted] so one more instead

http://actuary.ca/phpBB/viewtopic.php?p=549870&amp;#549870

by johnny c again.

So what have we shown? That temporal proximity to Mr. P's posts has as much to do with indicating to ECness as Captain_Morgan hs to do with lowercase letters

I am beginning to think that the vaunted ghost committee does precious little research and just tries to get pictures of buffy and JT all the time. I believe the active term is either "rank carelessness" or "gross incompetance".






3) The B^3 issue is far from clear. There is a good case to be made that he is lying through his little cubed teeth. It would also be a brilliant gambit if Avi were EC, in the hopes that the students would be sure he was lying. We leave it to the students to adjudicate the credibility of this.

I do as well.

4) This is probably our least important reason, but it is a small factor that seemed worth mentioning. For those who are unclear what this refers to, this is back on page 28, where Gandalf is trying to encourage EC to be more vocal, and Avi notes how EC should prefer to remain quiet. It seems that Avi may have been discouraging a good effort by Gandalf here. Avi has PMd Gandalf and myself that he feels that his (Avi's) post was in good faith. I'm not quite sure what to make of this myself -- it seems unlikely that an EC would post what Avi posted, but I disagree with Avi that it was to the advantage of the students to post as he did.

See Gandalf's response here: http://actuary.ca/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=30397&amp;start=2590

[Avi]

As EK has pointed out time after time, I don't have a vote. Only the living can lynch your sorry butt. :burn:Stop using my emoticon :P :D

[Klaymen]

Unvote: Myself
Vote: Avi

[Werewolf]

2) Regarding posting patterns, the ghosts have strong indications that EC2 was active over the memorial day weekend. Both Avi and Werewolf were active during this period when many people were not.

Clarification: I was on vacation that weekend, and checking my post list shows I went from a post on Thursday night to a post Monday late afternoon (about half an hour after Mr. Penguin's post that the EC has chosen their victim).

I should also mention that the reason for nominating Werewolf, in addition to #1 and #2 above, is that he did attract a fair number of votes last round. The ghosts are doing our best to provide nominees that are receiving considerable student attention, as long as they are not the slayer and we do not consider that we have any compelling evidence that they are not EC.

While it's true I got votes last round, I was an innocent student after all. And for some reason, I haven't been getting a lot of votes this time, so the part about considerable student attention doesn't apply.

[Ebenezer Kohl]

Anonymouse scored the knockout punch, but I’ll kick the body on the ground for good measure. :burn:

Unvote: Werewolf
Vote: Avi

11 Avi - Kupat Shakur Butters

1 Anonymouse - Avi Ultimate Anyone?
1 Ebenezer Kohl - Avi Hagbard Celine
1 RedSoxFan - Avi Ebenezer Kohl
1 Kaput Shakur - xxx Leela

Werewolf - Avi 4sigma
Maine-iac - Avi Werewolf
Ultimate Anyone - Avi Jables
J.T. - Avi thing
Jables - Avi Gandalf
Mulan - Avi Cho Da
Will Durant - Avi snafu
jadzia - Avi Kupat Shakur
Macroman - Anonymouse Sunny
Asynchronous - Ebenezer Kohl ahow
Traina - RedSoxFan J.T.
BC - xxx jadzia
All Clear - xxx Maine-iac
Kenshiro - xxx Traina

[Ebenezer Kohl]

As EK has pointed out time after time, I don't have a vote. Only the living can lynch your sorry butt. :burn:
You may not have a vote, but I think you have a stapler. :burn:

[All Clear]

Us "night posters" (I do occasionally post during the day when work is very slow. Those days are rare, though) are at some kind of disadvantage in this game. I miss my chance at a stapler when CubedBee posts his death scene during the day (although I somehow seem to be the only person to orange vote maine-iac according to EK's latest list- can someone confirm that I do win a stapler if Maine-iac is EC2?), and miss a chance to vote this time around when Butters shows up during the working hours. I know it is already too late for it to be official, but I will Vote: Werewolf. Avi was recommended in jest by Cubedbee, a logic I think would be far too risky for EC to try if Avi really was Cubed's partner. Of course, EC1 has done a bunch of smart things already. :-) Plus, I have a chess game against Werewolf that determines whether my chess team wins or not, so I'll try to "zing" him in here also. In reality, though, the only reason he gets my vote is because I am stuck between him and Avi, who I believe to be a student.

[Cho Da]

Come on, Avi, it's not fair to post and then delete.
Inquiring students (and ghosts) want to know!

[Ebenezer Kohl]

(although I somehow seem to be the only person to orange vote maine-iac according to EK's latest list- can someone confirm that I do win a stapler if Maine-iac is EC2?)
Maine-iac wins the stapler if you are EC2.

[Avi]

“So you’re staying late tonight again,” my boss asked me as he passed by my cubical.

“Yes, boss, another late night at the office again for me; curse these July renewals.” I replied.

“One client cannot differentiate between payroll and premiums in their WC class code list, the next client decides to take out certain losses from their history but leave the premiums in, a third client wants a 30 % ceding commission on a book of business with an expected loss ratio greater than 110%. What am I supposed to do?”

My boss listens amusedly to my complaints, and proceeds to cheerfully inform me about the difference between the real world and the exam process. Finishing, he bids me good night and makes his way to the exit with a chuckle.

My coworkers leave. I remain behind, mumbling excuses about deadlines and quote dates. The steady stream of employees slowly dwindles to a trickle, then a drip, and then it ends. Finally, the office is quiet and dark.

Alone but for the soft whirring of the AC and the background hum of electrical equipment, I can feel my heart pound in my chest with anticipation. My face takes on a ghastly blue pallor from the only available illumination, my monitor. The time has come to begin my real work. I clear my desk of the days work and pause for a moment to rub my temples. I now must shed the actuarial persona, and become many things to many people. Slipping into new personas is hard, but deep cover agents are used to such issues.

I mentally sink into my rôle. I have to be convincing, or I will pay the ultimate price. It’s a fine and dangerous line to walk, but I’ve been successful so far.

I log into cyberspace, enter the proper passwords, and begin the nightly process.

Data comes in, data goes out. I communicate with those who know me under various identities; all the time sifting and analyzing, weighing and pondering. The patterns are getting clearer; the goal nearer; I can feel it in my very bones.

Tonight, however, I am subconsciously is uneasy. There is a niggling annoyance intruding into the deep concentration necessary for my deceptions. I briefly pause, and listen. “Funny,” I think to myself, “the AC must be overloaded. It’s making a periodic rumbling or shuffling noise.”

After a moment’s concentration and quick glance around the workspace, I shrug off my premonitions as the hyperactive machinations of the primitive hindbrain. I am certain that my unease is just a figment of my imagination, as I never begin my tasks until the office is bereft and bare.

I turn eagerly back to the seamy underbelly of cyberspace, to cast my webs and see what treasures of information they retrieve. I use my various personas to play one faction against the other, slipping into the various rôles like TDA into another Becks.

I allow myself a moment of self-satisfaction. “You’re convincing, Avi m’lad, rather convincing.”

I must have been deeper into my egoistical moment than I realized, for I am jolted out of my analysis by a pair of strong hands that grab me about the neck.

“Wha-Who-Whaggh.” I cough and sputter, desperately trying to free myself, but I am too exhausted from the mental gymnastics of the evening and the hands are too tight—too tight. The forceful and fatal hands are attached to a dark, robed figure that bodily propels me from my chair and spins me to face the ostensibly deserted workspace. In the gloom beyond, I see other robed and cowled individuals slowly and sonorously shuffle in. My heart sinks and I fill with despair as I see one pair of hands holding a rope.

The small part of my brain which is not in an absolute and frightful panic thinks ruefully “you’ve been too convincing, Avi, and now they really believe you are EC.”

The mammalian survival reflex kicks in, and I struggle and thrash in a frantic attempt to get free. The other figures rush in, and I am rudely grabbed, mauled, and bound in short order. For some reason, I am not gagged, and I make a final effort to explain. “No! No! You are making a mistake! I’m one of you; a student! I’m deep cover! I’m going after the EC from the inside!”

My pleas fall on deaf ears, as the throng slowly and silently drags me to a hastily assembled gallows.

The mind does strange things in its final moments. Strains of the 4th movement Berlioz’s Symphonie Fantastique flow through my mind, concurrent with funeral knell of the Dies Irae from the last movement. The harmony is beautiful if one stops to think about it, why hadn’t I ever realized that before?

I am stopped at the top of the gallows, and faced towards the crowd—a sea of dark robes and shadowed faces. I give an involuntary shudder as the coarse hempen rope is lowered about my neck. It scratches, I shift my neck in an effort to relieve the discomfort, until I realize with dread that it will not bother me much longer.

The silence is broken by a deep and mellifluous voice which gravely intones “So too shall all foul EC perish!”

I cry out one last entreaty “You are making a horrible mista—”


The trapdoor opens, and I fall through with a sickening thud.
As my body twists, and a horrible burning pain shoots through my neck and lungs, my gaze cannot but to wander over the shadowed faces of my murderers.

As my consciousness separates from its mortal coil I begin to—wait, is that one or two pairs of eyes that meet mine knowingly? My quickly failing sight cannot tell.

As everything fades to grey, I focus on one pair of eyes which has moved directly in front of mine. Drinking my pain and agony greedily, the eyes gaze back into my own darkening orbs with evil delight.
My final thoughts are a mix of despair and resignation. Maybe I wasn’t as good of an agent as I thought, but I go to the afterworld knowing that there is at least one of my murderers who knows that they have lynched an innocent student.

[Ebenezer Kohl]

:o

[Kaput Shakur]

We students screw up more than the CIA.

Darn good intelligence.

[Mr. Penguin]

Excellent scene, Avi!

[urysohn]

“Wha-Who-Whaggh.”
ignominous last words - good thing you managed to squawk something out after that :lol:

[Mr. Penguin]

Oh Penguin my Penguin!

Y'all DO know that if anyone of the current players is a mod, this entire game is basically moot due to the ip feature of phpBB. I hope y'all had that in mind when you set this game up.

Yes, I knew it was a possibility, but frankly, I have no more idea who the mods are than I know the gender of my unborn child. Nor do I care. IMO, while many have savaged mods and some have tried to out them, that ain't my game. Although I may disagree with their judgements at times, I thank them for the time they put in this forum with nitwits like me. Ultimately, since most players entered for fun and a mental challenge, I wouldn't expect a mod would take unfair advantage.

BTW, my absence from these parts tomorrow will be to find out the answer to one of the above questions...

[Sunny]

We students screw up more than the CIA.

Darn good intelligence.

:rofl:

FYI, I've been claiming that I think Avi is innocent in the ghost forum, but alas, so it is.

:(

[Tim><]

:sleep:

[Gandalf]

:o

:judge:
No :cry:, EK? I think Avi would have been nominated anyway, but you know we were asking about why you considered something to point to Avi, and you refused to cooperate.

[Ebenezer Kohl]

why you considered something
:D And I still hold that card. It wasn't needed for the end I desired.

2) Regarding posting patterns, the ghosts have strong indications that EC2 was active over the memorial day weekend. Both Avi and Werewolf were active during this period when many people were not.
Look at the most compelling evidence the ghosts did use. Strikes me as something you would do, Gandalfini.

We were wrong about Avi. Those are the breaks. :P

[snafu]

We were wrong about Avi. Those are the breaks. :P

:judge:
EK - Wait a minute. What happened to the poor innocent lives lost? We made a mistake and an innocent student perished. Why is this a travesty when the ghosts pick someone you don't approve of but just the breaks when you approve of the choice?

Avi, I was as convinced as the others. You can read through all of the evidence in the ghost forum. And I would still say that there was higher-than-average chance of being EC. Sorry to see that you were innocent. But the hunt will continue. Hopefully with you assistance.

[Tim><]

I think your name should be filtered ala Sn**u.

[Mulan]

Avi, you were high on my suspect list too. Sorry to see your demise.

Kill WILL! Death to the EC!!

[Gandalf]

It wasn't needed for the end I desired.
:judge:
Now that Avi is dead, it seems totally irrelevant, does it not?

We may be able to help you with the end you desire. Do you prefer students or slayer?

[Sunny]

It wasn't needed for the end I desired.
:judge:
Now that Avi is dead, it seems totally irrelevant, does it not?

We may be able to help you with the end you desire. Do you prefer students or slayer?

:lol:

[Tim><]

I rule cyberchat.

[Mulan]

I rule cyberchat.What do you mean by this? As a ghost, I don't think you are supposed to be talking about the game with live players even in cyberchat.

[Tim><]

I rule cyberchat.What do you mean by this? As a ghost, I don't think you are supposed to be talking about the game with live players even in cyberchat.

Do you know what cyberchat is?

[cubedbee]

Sorry guys. I never suspected that my original partner would lie to me. I truly thought Avi was the one. That'll teach me to trust any stinking EC. :swear:

[Ebenezer Kohl]

Was the evidence against Karma Police trusted? For the strategy of ghosts, Karma Police died in vain. Did we both know Cho Da to be honest? And honestly he lay in the grave.

The evidence against Avi was damning, though wrong. I believed it. You believed it. Don’t tell me Galdalfini didn’t have the GC eating out of his hand as he lowered the big hammer on Avi’s eagle head.

I’m sad thing died. I didn’t have much evidence either way on him. His is a death I mourn. Avi’s death is an unfortunate consequence of good investigation with wrong conclusions. I’m shocked, not sad.

Do you prefer students or slayer?
I prefer to be untouched and alive.

[Gandalf]

At the time he posted, he was shown as "most recent post" in all the cyberchat categories: NAT, Political, Sports, Games, Surveys, Reef.

Simple pleasures for small minds.

[Mulan]

I rule cyberchat.What do you mean by this? As a ghost, I don't think you are supposed to be talking about the game with live players even in cyberchat.

Do you know what cyberchat is?not sure. Is it a foreign language with Latin roots where speakers mix lower and upper case letters in such a way that most words appear to end in the long vowel sound of the letter "a"? hmmm...probably not.

[Tim><]

Still do. :viola:

[Gandalf]

Do you prefer students or slayer?
I prefer to be untouched and alive.
:judge:
Then you better hope snafu or I have the rest of the GC eating out of our hands.

[Tim><]

Collusion . . .

[ahow]

Ultimately, since most players entered for fun and a mental challenge, I wouldn't expect a mod would take unfair advantage.
Mentally challenged, huh? WHO WANTS SOME CAKE?!?

Strangers with Candy reference...

[Gandalf]

Collusion . . .
Collision between EK and a stake may be more likely.

[Tim><]

Collusion . . .
Collision between EK and a stake may be more likely.

I'll believe it when I see it.

[urysohn]

BTW, my absence from these parts tomorrow will be to find out the answer to one of the above questions...
You're going on a secret quest to take unfair advantage of one of the mods? :o

[Tim><]

I rule once again. And now I am done.

[Kaput Shakur]

Sorry to see you go Avi, even though your last minute pleadings tried to throw suspicion on me. You'll remember that I even suggested that the GC should protect you the round before.

This is my first time playing this game, so somebody please explain to me what the purpose of the GC is? I know that IN THEORY the combined knowledge of all the losers is supposed to lead to a student victory, but what are they now 0-5? 0-6? So we've got a dozen players working together and all they can do is help the EC along? Hell, flip a coin and you can't do WORSE than the GC.

The slayer has done ta part. I'm glad someone has.

[Tim><]

Sorry to see you go Avi, even though your last minute pleadings tried to throw suspicion on me. You'll remember that I even suggested that the GC should protect you the round before.

This is my first time playing this game, so somebody please explain to me what the purpose of the GC is? I know that IN THEORY the combined knowledge of all the losers is supposed to lead to a student victory, but what are they now 0-5? 0-6? So we've got a dozen players working together and all they can do is help the EC along? Hell, flip a coin and you can't do WORSE than the GC.

The slayer has done ta part. I'm glad someone has.

Hence my alternative system. Keep the info pouring in.

[urysohn]

The THEORY of the Ghost Committee is that you know the ghosts are innocent students. So you eliminate the component where they are deliberately misleading you. You still have the hazard that they've been duped by the EC. Same logic you get with the Slayer.
The REALITY of the Ghost Committee has already been pointed out by EK numerous times -- it's dull for those still among the living.

[BC]

I'm back. I see that much has happened.

I see that there have been 3 deaths since I left. Condolences to the cybergame-families of Butters (I can't believe how much I liked the last line in the death scene), Sunny and Avi.

Yes, my proxy lynching vote was intended to be for Avi, which is not to suggest that it matters now or that there was any doubt of Sunny's veracity.

4Sigma suggested that proxy votes be "spread" - which is a great idea to prevent EC from getting "2 for 1". I also would suggest that votes be "conditional" - i.e. I should probably have asked Sunny to "(A) vote for Avi if he is still alive, or (B) vote for Ebenezer Kohl if Avi is dead by the time it comes for the students to lynch" or something like that. You can make decision rules much more complicated if you want to (although I don't recommend making them TOO complex) but at least theoretically this might be useful.

More later, I'm still trying to absorb the events since I've been gone and make some sense of them...

[Ebenezer Kohl]

http://actuary.ca/phpBB/images/avatars/9604905633fbc109245e1a.gif Reminder: Slayer wanted PMs. http://actuary.ca/phpBB/images/avatars/9604905633fbc109245e1a.gif

[Mr. Penguin]

BTW, my absence from these parts tomorrow will be to find out the answer to one of the above questions...
You're going on a secret quest to take unfair advantage of one of the mods? :o

Please don't out Pillow as a mod!

[Gandalf]

This is my first time playing this game, so somebody please explain to me what the purpose of the GC is? I know that IN THEORY the combined knowledge of all the losers is supposed to lead to a student victory, but what are they now 0-5? 0-6? So we've got a dozen players working together and all they can do is help the EC along? Hell, flip a coin and you can't do WORSE than the GC.

The slayer has done ta part. I'm glad someone has.
The combined knowledge of the GC, based in part on PMed knowledge from the students, is supposed to lead to a student victory. If the students don't share their thoughts and opinions, we have little more to go on than the public thread. Some students have; others haven't.

Note that the top three student choices in round 4: me, Sunny, Cho Da, have all been proven innocent. The top two student choices in round 5: Avi and Thing, have both been proven innocent. Better knowledge given to the ghosts might produce better results. Why do we have a dozen players working together instead of almost everyone working together?

The slayer has indeed done a great job, and may be preparing to stake another EC right now. If nothing else, the GC can make sure the students lynch our slayer.

[cubedbee]

Sorry to see you go Avi, even though your last minute pleadings tried to throw suspicion on me. You'll remember that I even suggested that the GC should protect you the round before.

This is my first time playing this game, so somebody please explain to me what the purpose of the GC is? I know that IN THEORY the combined knowledge of all the losers is supposed to lead to a student victory, but what are they now 0-5? 0-6? So we've got a dozen players working together and all they can do is help the EC along? Hell, flip a coin and you can't do WORSE than the GC.

The slayer has done ta part. I'm glad someone has.

It was my understanding that the main value of the GC was protection of the slayer. There is no way for living students to be certain they do not lynch the slayer without help from ghosts. The slayer is very valuable to the students and thus worth protecting. However, the existence of the ghosts alters the dynamic of the game. Since students are still in the game after they die, there is little incentive to vigrously accuse and defend in public, and thus less information to be gathered. Whether the protection of the slayer is worth altering the dynamics of the game is something I haven't decided.

[Ebenezer Kohl]

Cubedbee beat me to the punch, but even though he is EC, I completely agree.

The combined knowledge of the GC, based in part on PMed knowledge from the students, is supposed to lead to a student victory. If the students don't share their thoughts and opinions, we have little more to go on than the public thread. Some students have; others haven't.
The GC, at any point in time with full knowledge, should produce the best results. The problem, Gandalfini, is that with the GC, there is little incentive to post, there is little incentive to rally support for lynchings, there is little incentive to provide evidence of guilt. The lynching of Avi is more of a result of proximal relationships. Avi didn’t indicate anything that would have given him away. With the GC, there is no reason for bold public power plays. This is the failing of the GC.

Any evidence I may have, I didn’t get with the help of the GC. The GC is simply an obstacle I must work around as I hunt for the EC. The GC fails because of their existence.

[urysohn]

If nothing else, the GC can make sure the students lynch our slayer.
I think we've identified the sleeper agent!

[Rocky]

:judge:
EK, here's the basic idea of the game.

You can accuse guilt in public all you want. Whether you believe it or not, it doesn't matter if that's how you want to get information. However, what you believe (in innocence and guilt) should be sent to the slayer and the ghosts.

That's what it boils down to. Have the people that you know are innocent know your true thoughts on players. Use the public forum to "play the game" of cat and mouse.

[Tim><]

Oh. Is that what the rules say? :shake:

[Ebenezer Kohl]

Have the people that you know are innocent know your true thoughts on players.
I offer what I want them to believe; such is true for the GC as well. :shake: My game is played on multiple fronts.

I wish everyone was having as much fun as I am, but sadly the GC has sapped the life out of most. That is reality, dear departed loser.

[cubedbee]

Anyone know if the original slayer, who wasn't up to the job, has been killed yet?

[Ebenezer Kohl]

Anyone know if the original slayer, who wasn't up to the job, has been killed yet?
If not stu, I believe the original slayer is still alive. Does this help the EC, cubedbee?

[Mr. Penguin]

Anyone know if the original slayer, who wasn't up to the job, has been killed yet?

I know.

[Rocky]

:judge:
My game is played on multiple fronts.

How cool, you've found a way to be wrong in a variety of ways. That must be a blast! :party:

You feel that your knowledge is great when it's truly so little... :shake:

[Ebenezer Kohl]

You feel that your knowledge is great when it's truly so little... :shake:
Said the dead man to the active player. :D

[Rocky]

:judge:
Said the dead man to the active player. :D

But an active dead man, nonetheless. :wink:

We're both still in for the stapler...that's even footing, IMO.

[cubedbee]

Anyone know if the original slayer, who wasn't up to the job, has been killed yet?
If not stu, I believe the original slayer is still alive. Does this help the EC, cubedbee?

I don't think it helps the EC. I was just curious. I'm assuming that the current slayer didn't know the identity of the original slayer.

[Ebenezer Kohl]

Gandalfini assumed the original slayer lived, but I think it more likely that stu was the original slayer and committed suicide. Let’s assume the original slayer is other than stu. Obviously it would be unfair if the current slayer was told by Mr. Penguin the identity of the former slayer. However there is still a student advantage if the current slayer guessed the former slayer. Hmmm….

Rocky, do you have any ideas? No? I didn't think so.

[Avi]

Excellent scene, Avi!Thanks :oops: Enough cola at 2:00 AM does wonders :o

[Avi]

“Wha-Who-Whaggh.”
ignominous last words - good thing you managed to squawk something out after that :lol:Ignominious - I haven't seen that used in ages. :notworth:

[Rocky]

:judge:
I didn't think

That's an appropriate ending for all of your posts. Heck, it should be your sig line.

[Avi]

Sorry guys. I never suspected that my original partner would lie to me. I truly thought Avi was the one. That'll teach me to trust any stinking EC. :swear:The repartee was fun B³, no offense was meant or taken on my part. I hope the feeling is mutual.

[ahow]

Can someone poke the Slayer and him/her up???

[cubedbee]

Sorry guys. I never suspected that my original partner would lie to me. I truly thought Avi was the one. That'll teach me to trust any stinking EC. :swear:The repartee was fun B³, no offense was meant or taken on my part. I hope the feeling is mutual.

Of course the feeling is mutual. :kiss:

[Sunny]

If nothing else, the GC can make sure the students lynch our slayer.
I think we've identified the sleeper agent!
:lol:

[Rocky]

Oh. Is that what the rules say? :shake:

Would you know? :-?

Did you even read the rules before you threw them out the window and made up your own? :shake:

[Tim><]

Oh. Is that what the rules say? :shake:

Would you know? :-?

Did you even read the rules before you threw them out the window and made up your own? :shake:

:sleep: Wake me up when the slayer finally gets around to killing another innocent student. :sleep:

[Butters]

Sorry to hear that you were innocent, Avi. I really thought you were EC, though. At least you finally got to post a death scene (and it was a good one, btw)! :)

[Will Durant]

If nothing else, the GC can make sure the students lynch our slayer.
:o

Maybe EK is right, and you guys ARE completely worthless.

[Avi]

If nothing else, the GC can make sure the students lynch our slayer.
:o

Maybe EK is right, and you guys ARE completely worthless.

Well, I hope to change that :burn:

Then again, who am I kidding :oops:

[Traina]

Good scene, Avi. Sorry you got lynched.

There's way too much infighting going on in this version of the game.

[urysohn]

There's way too much infighting going on in this version of the game.
As it should be, for a game that presupposes two to three members of your group to be plotting against the others :D

[Mulan]

:sleep:

[cubedbee]

Can the Slayer start contacting the slayee directly through the EC_Slayer ID instead of going through Mr. P. No offense intended towards the awesome coordinator of this game, but we've been delayed a couple times because of him, IIRC. It might make the game move a little more quickly.

[Mr. Penguin]

Oh sure, blame me.

:P

Anyway, I won't be around tomorrow, so I've already told The Slayer to use the EC_Slayer ID to notify his/her victim. AFAIK, he'she hasn't made a decsion yet.

[Avi]

That would make the ID of the slayer more identifiable.

The delay is worth the safety, EC-boy :)

[Ebenezer Kohl]

Eighteen students remain. 9 opportunities for a ghost to win a stapler. 9 opportunities for a living student to win a stapler.

Should the ghosts collude to win a stapler for their individual team members? Who do you think will be the next ghost target?

Werewolf - xxx 4sigma
Asynchronous - xxx ahow
Ebenezer Kohl - xxx Hagbard Celine
Kaput Shakur - xxx Leela
Macroman - xxx Sunny
J.T. - xxx thing
Jables - xxx Gandalf
Will Durant - xxx snafu
Mulan - xxx Cho Da

Anonymouse - xxx Ultimate Anyone?
RedSoxFan - xxx Ebenezer Kohl
Maine-iac - xxx Werewolf
Ultimate Anyone - xxx Jables
Traina - xxx J.T.
BC - xxx jadzia
All Clear - xxx Maine-iac
jadzia - xxx Kupat Shakur
Kenshiro - xxx Traina

[cubedbee]

Identifiable to who, disembodied genius? First, if an innocent student gets killed, they become a ghost and are unlikely to publically share details of the PM in order to aid my ex-partner. Second, a standard message such as "You have been slayed" could be written by any of us. It would give no clues to identity, especially now that I have posted it here.

The only shred of evidence would be the time of the PM. However, since the date and time of a PM in your Inbox indicate when you opened it, not when it was sent, this would be useful only if the person receiving the PM was on at the same time the slayer sent it.

So, IF there are two EC remaining and IF the slayer slays one of the two through PM and IF the EC who gets slayed is on the RF when the PM is sent, then the EC has gained a small amount of identifiable evidence.

I'd be willing to take that risk if I were a living student. Just because I lie about specific players in the game doesn't mean I lie about general game related rules/strategies.

[4sigma]

Can the slayer designate a ghost as a proxy in order to obfuscate this information?
:D

[Ebenezer Kohl]

Let’s assume the motivation for individual ghosts is both to eliminate EC and win a stapler. Let’s assume the ghosts don’t have reliable data to eliminate EC. Let’s assume the ghosts have a “short list” as they have indicated. Guess which group of nine contains the “short list” players.

I belong to the ghost half. :yikes:

[Ebenezer Kohl]

I agree with cubedbee, again.

[4sigma]

Let’s assume the motivation for individual ghosts is both to eliminate EC and win a stapler. Let’s assume the ghosts don’t have reliable data to eliminate EC. Let’s assume the ghosts have a “short list” as they have indicated. Guess which group of nine contains the “short list” players.

I belong to the ghost half. :yikes:

I hope that this sort of divisiveness is not taken seriously. For the record, my "short list" of who I think is most likely EC has been largely unchanged since before CubedBee was discovered as EC1, and the stapler voting solidified. This will become evident at the end of the game when the ghost forum becomes public. For example, I am on record on the ghost forum for suggesting certain alternatives to Werewolf last round, even though Werewolf is my stapler pick.

EK, since the ghost forum is "not secure", no doubt you are already aware of this? Or aren't you? What's your real motivation here?

Let’s assume the motivation for EK is both to eliminate EC and win a stapler. Let’s assume that EK doesn’t have reliable data to eliminate EC. Let's assume that EK posts a rant against the ghosts every chance he gets, in an effort to improve his own prestige.

[Mulan]

Let's assume that the slayer will get around to slaying someone soon (hopefully, EC) so that we can all get another turn..... :sleep:

[Ebenezer Kohl]

For the record, my "short list" of who I think is most likely EC has been largely unchanged since before CubedBee was discovered as EC1, and the stapler voting solidified.
You can’t be serious. :o The death of cubedbee was a landslide of evidence against the EC. Seriously, I am shocked that you would admit that your “short list” is largely unchanged!

My motivation was just to break up the monotony while we wait for the Slayer. I, for one, am willing to wait for the only person to kill an EC.

[Jables]

Man, my top 3 suspects for EC (Sunny/Butters/Avi), all dead one after another, and all incorrect... :cry:

I don't really know who to suspect anymore... the ghosts and slayer have my EC-ish rankings though. Have all the other living students submitted theirs?

[Ebenezer Kohl]

How long did it take you to make up your mind on everyone, 4sigma? Have you factored in one failure after another into this thought process? Maybe it is time to reevaluate this “short list” that seems much more like a killing spree list.

I admit to being wrong about Avi, but I’m not so arrogant to say that I had a fully formed opinion of everyone before the death of the first EC. What the Sam Hill are you smoking?!

Am I the only one put off by this comment from the head of the ghost committee?

[Ebenezer Kohl]

HOLY COW!!!

OKAY I’M STILL PROCESSING BUT 4SIGMA’S SHORT LIST WAS AVAILABLE FOR THE GHOST COMMITTEE WHEN THEY WERE MAKING THEIR STAPLER PICKS. ASSUMING THE GHOSTS SELECTED PEOPLE WITH A REASONABLE CHANCE OF BEING KILLED BY THE GHOST COMMITTEE AS THE STAPLER WENT TO THE SLAYER IN THE EVENT OF ANOTHER SLAYING THEN THE GHOSTS SELECTED PEOPLE OFF 4SIGMA’S SHORT LIST!!!

:swear:

[4sigma]

The ghost forum is not a monarchy. Each ghost has their own opinions of who they think is guilty or innocent. I do not presume to enforce my opinions on others. Avi, for example was not on my short list, though I did not feel strongly about his innocence either.

Feel free to speculate all you like about my "short list" since apparently the ghost forum is secure enough that you cannot read it.

You're also throwing quite a few stones for one who lives in a glass house. Shall we discuss your accuracy?

[Macroman]

Eighteen students remain. 9 opportunities for a ghost to win a stapler. 9 opportunities for a living student to win a stapler.

Should the ghosts collude to win a stapler for their individual team members?

...just what makes you think that's possible, EK? Considering that all the choices are taken, and some twice over. The winner of the stapler is already determined, assuming that the students win. If the students don't win then neither student nor ghost wins a stapler, right?

[Ebenezer Kohl]

My accuracy stunk concerning Avi. Look here.
I give my full endorsement to this ghost selection. I would like to give time for discussion. Should my vote be needed, I will do so tomorrow. For now…

Unvote: Asynchronous
Vote: Werewolf It is amazing the degree that I agree with EK recently. The ghosts have provided our choice of 2 nominees enough in advance that there should be some time for the students to discuss. I would encourage those voting, as they cast their vote for either Avi or Werewolf, to explain their reasons for doing so.
You seemed to be in “amazing” agreement with me then.

As for the monarchy, you spoke up at the beginning of the game about desiring to be lord of the ghosts.
I am still perfectly willing to be our lead ghost, as I think that establishing some early coordination here is crucial. It is true that ghosts are a bit less potent than last game since they cannot coordinate quite as directly with the slayer.

[4sigma]

Macroman,

EK's point has some theoretical merit, if one is motivated more by a stapler than by an overall victory.

Since the slayer wins the stapler if they hit both of the EC, and since the first EC was hit by the slayer, then anyone (ghost or student) can only win the stapler if the 2nd EC is lynched rather than slain.

In theory, this ought to motivate the players to kill the slayer, if the goal is to maximize one's chances of winning a stapler. However, this is certainly not my motivation. Perhaps it is EK's?

[Ebenezer Kohl]

...just what makes you think that's possible, EK? Considering that all the choices are taken, and some twice over. The winner of the stapler is already determined, assuming that the students win. If the students don't win then neither student nor ghost wins a stapler, right?
No, Macroman. The slayer wins the stapler with another accurate kill. The GC doesn't have to waste their ghost selection on a living student choice. Should the GC become convinced of EC2, then they could have the Slayer make that kill. But let’s be honest, the GC doesn’t have a clue.

[Avi]

I admit to being wrong about AviWell :duh: :)

As you seem to have been rather certain of my "guilt" in this thread, perhaps you can elaborate your thought process. If I can see what you used, perhaps I can see where your error lay and refine the process. You can PM me your reasoning, but I cannot PM you back.

Then again, perhaps you don't want your reasoning revealed as it might expose something about you. :burn:

[Gandalf]

...just what makes you think that's possible, EK? Considering that all the choices are taken, and some twice over. The winner of the stapler is already determined, assuming that the students win. If the students don't win then neither student nor ghost wins a stapler, right?
No, Macroman. The slayer wins the stapler with another accurate kill.
As I understand it, EK's statement is true if the sleeper died pre-activation, and otherwise needs a lot more (the slayer must kill EC2, and either students or slayer must kill the sleeper).

As I understand it, the only players who would know that the sleeper died pre-activation are cubedbee and his partner. Hmmmm...

[Ebenezer Kohl]

There is a post at the GC that will explain the reasoning behind my vote, Avi. You may certainly read it there, or if the GC would like to post it publicly, I am perfectly amiable with that action. You will see that I didn’t come to my conclusion lightly.

[Avi]

There is a post at the GC that will explain the reasoning behind my vote, Avi. You may certainly read it there, or if the GC would like to post it publicly, I am perfectly amiable with that action. You will see that I didn’t come to my conclusion lightly.Well can you lucidify the lexicographal lessons learned that led you lightly along the lane of logic you laboriously loquated?

[Leela]

EK, I would be willing to give up my stapler vote if that would convince you that I'm more interested in getting the EC, whoever they are, than winning the stapler.

[Gandalf]

Leela, unless your stabler vote is cubedbee and EK, you aren't giving up anything. :P

[Sunny]

Changing my stapler vote again (still don't know the rules very well, can I do that now or should I do that later--and what if I can't do it later?)

CubedBee and Macroman

[thing]

Changing my stapler vote again (still don't know the rules very well, can I do that now or should I do that later--and what if I can't do it later?)

You can, did, and should. Changing it off CB/MM was kinda ... odd.

But, it did prompt me to notice that:

1. Right after B³ was outed, you were the stapler pick of karma police, Werewolf, and Will Durant. Even if they all thought you were EC, probably at least Yoda (oops, sorry, Will) should have noticed that you were taken twice over, since a summary had been posted.

2. You were subsequently killed by the EC, who have been in communication with kp.

3. None of the three grabbed your CB/MM combination when they had the chance. (although neither did any of the other people whose 'stapler picks' had been subsequently eliminated)

They're either not paying attention, don't care about the stapler, or intend to win the stapler in some other fashion. I'm guessing Werewolf for EC2 and Will for the sleeper.

[4sigma]

OK, we have several new ghosts up here in the last couple of weeks, and we need some new haunts. We have reports of some good decrepid buildings in the following locations:

Coupon, PA 16629-6087
Cyclone, PA 16426-5051
Alturas, FL 33820-6449
Harmony, ME 04942-6939 (Maine-iac, this has nothing to do with you... :))

Thank you for calling to our attention the abandoned warehouse in Doe Hill, VA 24433-5916. You must know by now that I have a soft spot for haunts where there is a good view of the deer.

I showed the real estate brochure to the other ghosts. It no doubt deserves the same consideration as the ones I have mentioned above.

[Maine-iac]

Harmony, ME 04942-6939 (Maine-iac, this has nothing to do with you... :))



I am crushed. :(

Harmony, Maine in winter:

http://www.lumberjacklodges.com/images/Lead.jpg

[urysohn]

Coupon
Cyclone
Alturas
Harmony

Ah, I think I've just about got the code broken! But you've transposed those last two lines. I think you meant CCHA, clearly fingering a college hockey fan - but not Maine-iac who wisely prefers Eastern hockey. Unless the last two lines were intentionally swapped, meaning it was Maine-iac you are fingering. hmmmm.

[Ebenezer Kohl]

Sorry, Leela, let me deal with Avi first.

There is a post at the GC that will explain the reasoning behind my vote, Avi. You may certainly read it there, or if the GC would like to post it publicly, I am perfectly amiable with that action. You will see that I didn’t come to my conclusion lightly.Well can you lucidify the lexicographal lessons learned that led you lightly along the lane of logic you laboriously loquated?

I’m willing to honestly discuss the matter of your death. First, you must accept this axiom:

Gandalf and I had you killed.

This is a true statement and more importantly than that, there is no deception (as some wish to say a true statement only to mislead the reader). Ask the ghosts individually. They gave the students four reasons for your lynching but in reality 2 > 1 + 3 + 4, and 2 is from Gandalf and me.

Let’s discuss Memorial weekend. I would appreciate the help of cubedbee if he is willing to agree with my sentiment below.

It was espoused that EC2 was active over this time. Where was I? I was visiting my sister and having a great time. I don’t recall making any posts over this period so I must be innocent. Right? That’s how it goes. I tell you pointblank that I had access to the Rebel Outpost at all times during that weekend. Sure I didn’t post but if I were EC I would still check in to see the goings on. You don’t know. You can’t see me.

Now there also is the reference to page six, Avi. Let me tell that is an extremely subtle reference to the effort I put in to kill EC2. You were at the wrong place at the wrong time. Problem was that you were the only living person I could verify as a possibility. I regret that you aren’t EC2, but I don’t regret having you lynched. It was good work as you will see at the GC and I am willing to have the GC post.

So let’s ask the ghosts, who was most influential in the death of Avi. It had to be me. My EC2 PM to Gandalf was damning; with or without the further wildcard they so desperately wanted me to give.

[Gandalf]

So let’s ask the ghosts, who was most influential in the death of Avi. It had to be me. My EC2 PM to Gandalf was damning; with or without the further wildcard they so desperately wanted me to give.
:judge:
Your EC2 PM to me was the critical factor, especially without the further wildcard we tried so hard to get. In the end, we were forced either to ignore that further wildcard, or to accept your representation that it further showed Avi's guilt. I have no idea how many ghosts gave some credence to your representation/interpretation. I gave it some. I really wanted to be able to evaluate it because, prior to your EC2 PM, I thought the rest of the evidence on balance suggested Avi was not EC.

Maybe someday we'll know whether the combination of your EC2 PM and the information we wanted would have been damning enough. We sought information. You sought a specific result.

[Mulan]

Is anyone following this EK/Gandalf/GF/Avi thing? If so, could someone post the short version? Or is it not worth the work?

[snafu]

Is anyone following this EK/Gandalf/GF/Avi thing? If so, could someone post the short version? Or is it not worth the work?

Just a little lovers' spat. It's all about the rainbow don't ya know :D

[Gandalf]

1. EK gave two reasons against Avi; one well-documented, one not.
2. GF, who until then thought (mildly) that Avi was probably innocent, found the well-documented one quite persuasive, but were not totally convinced.
3. GF tried very hard to get the other reason; EK did not budge on his representation, but would not clarify.
4. GF, on all the info available to us, nominated Avi.
5. Avi, an innocent student, was lynched.

[Mulan]

Thanks Gandalf. I wonder if EK is the activated sleeper...

Kill WILL!! Death to the EC!!

[Rocky]

Thanks Gandalf. I wonder if EK is the activated sleeper...

Kill WILL!! Death to the EC!!

Not to give too much away, but you're not alone in that thought. :wink:

[Butters]

Since the slayer is taking his/her time, I have a topic to bring up:

Jables, JT, and Maine-iac haven't spoken up a lot. Are they disinterested innocent students, are they following along without feeling the need to contribute, or are they EC in hiding? Discuss.


The preceding comments are mine alone and in no way represent the thoughts of the ghost forum.

[cubedbee]

I'm certain that at least one of them is an innocent student.

[Mulan]

Thanks Gandalf. I wonder if EK is the activated sleeper...

Kill WILL!! Death to the EC!!

Not to give too much away, but you're not alone in that thought. :wink:About time. I've been waiting for others to see Will's guilt.... :wink: :P

[Mulan]

I'm certain that at least one of them is an innocent student.That was profound. :shake:

[Ebenezer Kohl]

Jables has a new cubicle that magically explains his altered posting habits. J.T. placed proxy with Ultimate Anyone. Maine-iac just posted a picture (effort) with few words.

[cubedbee]

I'm certain that at least one of them is an innocent student.That was profound. :shake:

They could be the slayer and two EC. It's not an entirely vacuous statement.

[Ebenezer Kohl]

Would anyone like to read what cubedbee originally wrote? :lol:

[Butters]

I'm certain that at least one of them is an innocent student.That was profound. :shake:

They could be the slayer and two EC. It's not an entirely vacuous statement.

Since you were EC1, I'll try to explain this slowly. The slayer is also an innocent student. :wink:

[Mulan]

Would anyone like to read what cubedbee originally wrote? :lol:I saw it. It was pretty useful information. It is good to know that at least two are innocent!!

[Ebenezer Kohl]

Would anyone like to read what cubedbee originally wrote? :lol:I saw it. It was pretty useful information. It is good to know that at least two are innocent!!
Bingo.

Here it is:
I'm certain that at least one of them is an innocent student.That was profound. :shake:

Fine. I'm certain that at least two of them are innocent students.

[cubedbee]

I'm certain that at least one of them is an innocent student.That was profound. :shake:

They could be the slayer and two EC. It's not an entirely vacuous statement.

Since you were EC1, I'll try to explain this slowly. The slayer is also an innocent student. :wink:

The slayer is a student. As is the EC. I think the phrase "innocent student" indicates a student that is not in one of these special categories. At least that's the way I interpreted it.

[Ebenezer Kohl]

So that I don’t edit my post, cubedbee also finished with “Can you do better than that?”

[Avi]

I'm certain that at least one of them is an innocent student.Dirichlet Pigeon Principle?

[cubedbee]

So that I don’t edit my post, cubedbee also finished with “Can you do better than that?”

I was wondering what motivation you had to misquote me.

[Avi]

Now there also is the reference to page six, Avi. Let me tell that is an extremely subtle reference to the effort I put in to kill EC2. You were at the wrong place at the wrong time. Problem was that you were the only living person I could verify as a possibility. I regret that you aren’t EC2, but I don’t regret having you lynched. It was good work as you will see at the GC and I am willing to have the GC post.

So let’s ask the ghosts, who was most influential in the death of Avi. It had to be me. My EC2 PM to Gandalf was damning; with or without the further wildcard they so desperately wanted me to give.

I follow your logic and assumptions, but the very fact that I am in the GC now shows that somewhere along the line your reasoning had a fatal flaw (pun intended).

Not only does that immediately demonstrate the fallacy of your initial argument, it also serves to cast aspersions over all of your previous reasonings.

Note: The above is my opinions alone and should not be construed to represent the Ghost Committee in toto or in any part thereof.

[BC]

I'm certain that at least one of them is an innocent student.Dirichlet Pigeon Principle?

I believe it's the PigeonHOLE Principle. I had never heard of it being attributed to Dirichlet, however. You're probably right.

Currently the "pool" of remaining players includes 15 or 16 students, 1 slayer, 1 or 0 sleepers, and 1 original EC. Hence, there are at most 2 non-students remaining (I have included the "slayer" as a student, for purposes of this discussion). Given ANY set of three students, therefore, since at most 2 can be non-students, at least one is a student. In the language of the Pigeonhole Principle, there are two pigeonholes with room for 1 pigeon each, so if there are 3 pigeons, one doesn't have a hole.

More generally, it is stated something like:

If there are at least kn+1 pigeons and n pigeonholes, and every pigeon is in a pigeonhole, then at least one of the pigeonholes contains k+1 pigeons.

It is useful for problems such as "On a standard chessboard with 25 rooks, prove that you can select at least 4 which are mutually non-attacking".

Your pigeons are the rooks. If you think long enough, you realize you can pick 8 sets of squares which are pairwise in both different rows AND columns (for example, a diagonal for set one and then each other set is dislocated 1 square horizontally and wrapped around if necessary) and since 25=3*8+1, there must be 4 rooks in the same set.

[Ebenezer Kohl]

cubedbee:
After three cups of coffee and two cups of water, I was in a hurry to leave my cubicle. ;) I’m better now.

Avi:
The same flaw exists with the Memorial weekend evidence. EC2 didn’t have to poke their head out of the sand. My logic was entirely circumstantial. You fit a profile of a possible mistake a newbie EC would make. Considering* that cubedbee had been EC before, it was possible that a newbie EC would follow lead on actions. I regret an innocent life lost, but I don’t believe it was faulty logic. It was the best choice on the board.


*Please note my reasoning does take into account cubedbee’s death as I think that is critical in evaluating evidence.

[Will Durant]

Would anyone like to read what cubedbee originally wrote? :lol:I saw it. It was pretty useful information. It is good to know that at least two are innocent!!
Bingo.

Here it is:
I'm certain that at least one of them is an innocent student.That was profound. :shake:

Fine. I'm certain that at least two of them are innocent students.
And exactly WHY do we believe that B^3 is providing truthful information THIS time?

[Mulan]

I really don't care what info Cubedbee provides. He is not credible. Just making conversation before the next EC's death scene.....

Kill WILL!! Death to the EC!!

[cubedbee]

I turned over a new stone. EK agreed with me twice in the last couple of pages. I sincerely want to help the students now.

[Ebenezer Kohl]

I turned over a new stone. EK agreed with me twice in the last couple of pages. I sincerely want to help the students now.
Thanks, cubedbee, your help is much appreciated.

Will, you may not be aware of this, but some people find Mulan aggravating. Shocking, I know. It seems possible to me that cubedbee responded out of such aggravation and then thought better. I find his deleted statement credible.

[Gandalf]

B^3, when exactly did you turn over this new stone? Have you and EK been working together ever since your death scene?

[Rocky]

:judge:
Jables has a new cubicle that magically explains his altered posting habits.

That may explain the timing of his posts, but it doesn't explain his long absences from this thread...

[Kaput Shakur]

I turned over a new stone. EK agreed with me twice in the last couple of pages. I sincerely want to help the students now.

When you turn over a stone you never know what kind of icky thing you'll find living there.

[Sunny]

Please note, I will be on vacation and will not be around to post pm's to the Ghost Forum from now on. Be advised that all pm's to Ghost Forum should go to my colleagues there.

DEATH TO THE EC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Avi]

I'm certain that at least one of them is an innocent student.Dirichlet Pigeon Principle?

I believe it's the PigeonHOLE Principle. I had never heard of it being attributed to Dirichlet, however. You're probably right.

...

Currently the "pool" of remaining players includes 15 or 16 students, 1 slayer, 1 or 0 sleepers, and 1 original EC. Hence, there are at most 2 non-students remaining (I have included the "slayer" as a student, for purposes of this discussion). Given ANY set of three students, therefore, since at most 2 can be non-students, at least one is a student. In the language of the Pigeonhole Principle, there are two pigeonholes with room for 1 pigeon each, so if there are 3 pigeons, one doesn't have a hole.

My reasoning exactly, good sir :) And you are correct, 'tis the pigeonhole principle, but it is Dirichlet's.

See here:

Dirichlet's Box Principle


A.k.a. the pigeonhole principle. Given n boxes and m > n objects, at least one box must contain more than one object. This statement has important applications in number theory and was first stated by Dirichlet in 1834.

and

The pigeonhole principle states that if n pigeons are put into m pigeonholes, and if n > m, then at least one pigeonhole must contain more than one pigeon. Another way of stating this would be that m holes can hold at most m objects with one object to a hole; adding another object will force you to reuse one of the holes. The first statement of the principle is believed to have been made by Dirichlet in 1834 under the name Schubfachprinzip ("drawer principle"). In some languages (for example, Russian) this principle is therefore called the Dirichlet principle (not to be confused with the minimum principle for harmonic functions of the same name).
Although the pigeonhole principle may seem to be a trivial observation, it can be used to demonstrate unexpected results. For example, there must be at least two people in London with the same number of hairs on their heads. Demonstration: a typical head of hair has around 150,000 hairs. It is reasonable to assume that no-one has more than 1,000,000 hairs on their head. There are more than 1,000,000 people in London. If we assign a pigeonhole for each number of hairs on a head, and assign people to the pigeonhole with their number of hairs on it, there must be two people with the same number of hairs on their heads.

Another practical example of the pigeonhole principle involves the situation when there are five people who want to play softball, but only four teams. This wouldn't be a problem except that each of the five refuses to play on a team with any of the other 4. To prove that there is no way for all five people to play softball, the pigeonhole principle says that it is impossible to divide five people among four teams without putting two of the people on the same team. Since they refuse to play on the same team, at most four of the people will be able to play.

A generalized version of this principle states that, if n discrete objects are to be allocated to m containers, then at least one container must hold no fewer than objects, where denotes the ceiling function.

The pigeonhole principle is an example of a counting argument which can be applied to many more serious problems, including ones involving infinite sets that cannot be put into one-to-one correspondence. In diophantine approximation the quantitative application of the principle to the existence of integer solutions of a system of linear equations goes under the name of Siegel's lemma.

[Avi]

I turned over a new stone. EK agreed with me twice in the last couple of pages. I sincerely want to help the students now.And I have this beachfront condo in Paraguay which I have to unload for tax purposes. I can give you a great deal on it.

[Mulan]

but some people find Mulan aggravating. :o I'm actually a sweetie pie! :cry:

[Ebenezer Kohl]

While we are waiting, I remember a game Gandalf had wanted to create last time. Now he was considering offering prizes, but I would like to play just for the fun of it.

Guess whom the EC will kill next. I recommend PMing your guesses to Gandalf.

[Avi]

Why do I have the suspicion that you have insider information?

Note: The above is my opinions alone and should not be construed to represent the Ghost Committee in toto or in any part thereof.

[Ebenezer Kohl]

Paranoia - In this game, that is a benefit. ;)

[cubedbee]

I guess EK.

[Sunny]

I'm certain that at least one of them is an innocent student.That was profound. :shake:

They could be the slayer and two EC. It's not an entirely vacuous statement.

Since you were EC1, I'll try to explain this slowly. The slayer is also an innocent student. :wink:

:lol:

[Ebenezer Kohl]

Yeah, i am the astro-creep,
a demolition style hell american freak - yeah
i am the crawling dead,
a phantom in a box, shadow in your head - say
acid suicide - freedom of the blast,
I guess EK.
Should I guess correctly and cubedbee incorrectly, then I call dibs on the signature "More EC than EC." Yeah I do. :wink: