Beneath the Planet of the Exam Committee

[ahow]

Good luck, GC.
Who are you???

[Rocky]

Let me throw a theory out there.

At the bottom of page 3/top of page 4, thing asks whether someone could PM Mr. Penguin about playing and be an EC member without the other students knowing that person was playing. Mr. P never really denied this as a possibility.

Maybe we haven't killed the second EC member because IT'S MR. PENGUIN!

He said he would use the random number generator to determine who would be EC, but he never said he would seed it with the number of players signed up. Maybe he picked his EC partner from whoever first responded to the thread--hmmm, cubedbee?

Who responded next, as a possible sleeper? Hmmmmm, EK?

Now presumably Mr.P would know who the slayer is, which would make it difficult for him to act as EC--unless he had an accomplice.

Lets theorize such a person--call this person Mrs. Penguin. Mr. Penguin says to Mrs. Penguin: "Dear, pick one of the people on this list-but not me, cubedbee, or EK-and send them a PM under my Mr. Penguin identity as though I am writing it telling them the password for the EC_Slayer ID I've set up. Tell them that if they ever need to PM me, they should do it from the Slayer ID."

Mr. Penguin may even Mrs. Penguin to add a line stating "Don't put any personal info in any PMs to me, so that I'm less likely to accidentally give away your identity."

So, Mr. Penguin is EC, and EK is the sleeper. Innocent students are dying because Mr. Penguin is playing outside of the [assumed] rules, but that type of foul fowl play is expected from an EC member, no?

Although not as suspicious of the organizer as you are, I asked Mr. P (via PM) about the possibility of an outsider being EC shortly after my death. He denied it.

[Kaput Shakur]

Let me throw a theory out there.

At the bottom of page 3/top of page 4, thing asks whether someone could PM Mr. Penguin about playing and be an EC member without the other students knowing that person was playing. Mr. P never really denied this as a possibility.

Maybe we haven't killed the second EC member because IT'S MR. PENGUIN!

He said he would use the random number generator to determine who would be EC, but he never said he would seed it with the number of players signed up. Maybe he picked his EC partner from whoever first responded to the thread--hmmm, cubedbee?

Who responded next, as a possible sleeper? Hmmmmm, EK?

Now presumably Mr.P would know who the slayer is, which would make it difficult for him to act as EC--unless he had an accomplice.

Lets theorize such a person--call this person Mrs. Penguin. Mr. Penguin says to Mrs. Penguin: "Dear, pick one of the people on this list-but not me, cubedbee, or EK-and send them a PM under my Mr. Penguin identity as though I am writing it telling them the password for the EC_Slayer ID I've set up. Tell them that if they ever need to PM me, they should do it from the Slayer ID."

Mr. Penguin may even Mrs. Penguin to add a line stating "Don't put any personal info in any PMs to me, so that I'm less likely to accidentally give away your identity."

So, Mr. Penguin is EC, and EK is the sleeper. Innocent students are dying because Mr. Penguin is playing outside of the [assumed] rules, but that type of foul fowl play is expected from an EC member, no?

Although not as suspicious of the organizer as you are, I asked Mr. P (via PM) about the possibility of an outsider being EC shortly after my death. He denied it.

Sure, he's EC. What else is he gonna do?

[Tim><]

:sleep:

[Mr. Penguin]

Let me throw a theory out there.

At the bottom of page 3/top of page 4, thing asks whether someone could PM Mr. Penguin about playing and be an EC member without the other students knowing that person was playing. Mr. P never really denied this as a possibility.

Maybe we haven't killed the second EC member because IT'S MR. PENGUIN!

He said he would use the random number generator to determine who would be EC, but he never said he would seed it with the number of players signed up. Maybe he picked his EC partner from whoever first responded to the thread--hmmm, cubedbee?

Who responded next, as a possible sleeper? Hmmmmm, EK?

Now presumably Mr.P would know who the slayer is, which would make it difficult for him to act as EC--unless he had an accomplice.

Lets theorize such a person--call this person Mrs. Penguin. Mr. Penguin says to Mrs. Penguin: "Dear, pick one of the people on this list-but not me, cubedbee, or EK-and send them a PM under my Mr. Penguin identity as though I am writing it telling them the password for the EC_Slayer ID I've set up. Tell them that if they ever need to PM me, they should do it from the Slayer ID."

Mr. Penguin may even Mrs. Penguin to add a line stating "Don't put any personal info in any PMs to me, so that I'm less likely to accidentally give away your identity."

So, Mr. Penguin is EC, and EK is the sleeper. Innocent students are dying because Mr. Penguin is playing outside of the [assumed] rules, but that type of foul fowl play is expected from an EC member, no?

Although not as suspicious of the organizer as you are, I asked Mr. P (via PM) about the possibility of an outsider being EC shortly after my death. He denied it.

Sure, he's EC. What else is he gonna do?

On one hand, if I did this, most players of this game would probably hate me forever. On the other hand, that would certainly aid me in maintaining my soon-to-be self-imposed exile.

[Ebenezer Kohl]

Good luck, GC.
Who are you???
I am the bull amongst steers.

For the record, there has been increasing sentiment on the ghost forum that we should have devised a new nominating process this round. I frankly got myself in quite a bit of trouble up there for my earlier post (http://actuary.ca/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=30397&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=3144) suggesting that we try one more time and make the current student suggestion process work, since I posted this on my own without coordinating with several other ghosts who were in the midst of proposing an alternative plan.
Dearest Ghost Committee, we living students get bored in these dry spells. Would one of the ghosts mind informing the rest of the living students the identities of the ghosts providing sentiment for devising a new nominating process? The thought of an internal conflict within the ghost committee would provide humor during this period of waiting. Thank you, that is all.

[J.T.]

Let me throw a theory out there.

At the bottom of page 3/top of page 4, thing asks whether someone could PM Mr. Penguin about playing and be an EC member without the other students knowing that person was playing. Mr. P never really denied this as a possibility.

Maybe we haven't killed the second EC member because IT'S MR. PENGUIN!

He said he would use the random number generator to determine who would be EC, but he never said he would seed it with the number of players signed up. Maybe he picked his EC partner from whoever first responded to the thread--hmmm, cubedbee?

Who responded next, as a possible sleeper? Hmmmmm, EK?

Now presumably Mr.P would know who the slayer is, which would make it difficult for him to act as EC--unless he had an accomplice.

Lets theorize such a person--call this person Mrs. Penguin. Mr. Penguin says to Mrs. Penguin: "Dear, pick one of the people on this list-but not me, cubedbee, or EK-and send them a PM under my Mr. Penguin identity as though I am writing it telling them the password for the EC_Slayer ID I've set up. Tell them that if they ever need to PM me, they should do it from the Slayer ID."

Mr. Penguin may even Mrs. Penguin to add a line stating "Don't put any personal info in any PMs to me, so that I'm less likely to accidentally give away your identity."

So, Mr. Penguin is EC, and EK is the sleeper. Innocent students are dying because Mr. Penguin is playing outside of the [assumed] rules, but that type of foul fowl play is expected from an EC member, no?

Although not as suspicious of the organizer as you are, I asked Mr. P (via PM) about the possibility of an outsider being EC shortly after my death. He denied it.

Sure, he's EC. What else is he gonna do? :lol:

[snafu]

Good luck, GC.
Who are you???
I am the bull amongst steers.

For the record, there has been increasing sentiment on the ghost forum that we should have devised a new nominating process this round. I frankly got myself in quite a bit of trouble up there for my earlier post (http://actuary.ca/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=30397&amp;postdays=0&amp;postorder=asc&amp;sta rt=3144) suggesting that we try one more time and make the current student suggestion process work, since I posted this on my own without coordinating with several other ghosts who were in the midst of proposing an alternative plan.
Dearest Ghost Committee, we living students get bored in these dry spells. Would one of the ghosts mind informing the rest of the living students the identities of the ghosts providing sentiment for devising a new nominating process? The thought of an internal conflict within the ghost committee would provide humor during this period of waiting. Thank you, that is all.

Sure thing Mr. Bull,

The alternative strategy consisted of
BtPoEC: EK, Better Lynched or Staked?

:D

[4sigma]

For the record, there has been increasing sentiment on the ghost forum that we should have devised a new nominating process this round. I frankly got myself in quite a bit of trouble up there for my earlier post (http://actuary.ca/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=30397&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=3144) suggesting that we try one more time and make the current student suggestion process work, since I posted this on my own without coordinating with several other ghosts who were in the midst of proposing an alternative plan.
Dearest Ghost Committee, we living students get bored in these dry spells. Would one of the ghosts mind informing the rest of the living students the identities of the ghosts providing sentiment for devising a new nominating process? The thought of an internal conflict within the ghost committee would provide humor during this period of waiting. Thank you, that is all.

As I have mentioned before, the Ghost Committee is a deliberative body. We have our internal disagreements. I (usually) respect those that disagree with me, and I am not going to air our differences here in public. Anyone who wants to read about them has to meet our forum conditions for membership. :)

[snafu]

For the record, there has been increasing sentiment on the ghost forum that we should have devised a new nominating process this round. I frankly got myself in quite a bit of trouble up there for my earlier post (http://actuary.ca/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=30397&amp;postdays=0&amp;postorder=asc&amp;sta rt=3144) suggesting that we try one more time and make the current student suggestion process work, since I posted this on my own without coordinating with several other ghosts who were in the midst of proposing an alternative plan.
Dearest Ghost Committee, we living students get bored in these dry spells. Would one of the ghosts mind informing the rest of the living students the identities of the ghosts providing sentiment for devising a new nominating process? The thought of an internal conflict within the ghost committee would provide humor during this period of waiting. Thank you, that is all.

As I have mentioned before, the Ghost Committee is a deliberative body. We have our internal disagreements. I (usually) respect those that disagree with me, and I am not going to air our differences here in public. Anyone who wants to read about them has to meet our forum conditions for membership. :)

Still curious EK? :P

[ahow]

Good luck, GC.
Who are you???
I am the bull amongst steers.

I believe you meant "I am the heffer amongst steers."OK. Let me tell you little squirrels something. I'm not even gonna charge you for this sage advice. My diminutive friends, the fair is something that comes once a year, in October. It's at a nice little place called the fairgrounds, where you walk around chomping on those big ole' turkey legs, with the grease dripping down your T-shirt, then you rinse that sucker down with a few funnell cakes and a large diet coke. Then you go to the Midway and hand a few bucks to the carney's and ride some rides. And you try to throw some of those rings around the pop bottles and win a teddy bear for that cute little momma that you're dating. And after that's over, you go to the Industrial Arts barn and gawk at the cajones on the states biggest heffer. That, my friends, is the fair.

[Rocky]

Dearest Ghost Committee, we living students get bored in these dry spells.

What better time to send the GF and the slayer your guilt/innocence lists. With all the reasons that you can come up with for your suspects. It's fun, educational, and a rip-roaring good time for all.

[Ebenezer Kohl]

I’ll admit to being curious, but what I wonder won’t be found in the ghost forum. The ghosts have an important decision to make now, so choose wisely. Realize that the living students are beyond that decision having offered three good candidates. Now the interested living students prepare to reduce our number to 10 where 6 will be needed for a majority. Take care of business, ghosts, and end my anxiety.

Rocky, my opinion of these three is available for all to see as well as the supplemental details (sent by PM) you need to make your decision. The list you request is antiquated and I will not provide one to you. Ghosts look for reason to discount evidence offered. I will not provide you more than I believe necessary.

[Klaymen]

I would like to note, all three voted for someone with no votes. Other than Anonymouse, who has good reason for his choice, these are the only players not grouping their votes and helping the ghost committee. I think an EC is here. Good luck, GC.

Now why would he say that... Hmmm...

[Ebenezer Kohl]

I’m glad you’re having more fun, Anonymouse. :D

[Will Durant]

3 BC
3 All Clear
3 Macroman

Of our three contenders, BC seems very much to be a strong supporter of the GF and the other two not so much. Anybody (including you three) have any comments on this?

[Cho Da]

CubedBee and BC

[4sigma]

Doesn't jadzia already have that combination? :-?

[Ebenezer Kohl]

Doesn't jadzia already have that combination? :-?
... and if jadzia is the sleeper ... :wink:

[Macroman]

3 BC
3 All Clear
3 Macroman

Of our three contenders, BC seems very much to be a strong supporter of the GF and the other two not so much. Anybody (including you three) have any comments on this?

Huh? You been following my ongoing discussion with EK over the last 30 pages?

If you mean that I haven't sent in a bunch of suggestions you'd be right mainly because I don't have a clue. I'm a big supporter of the GF concept.

[Ebenezer Kohl]

I'm a big supporter of the GF concept.
In word, not in deed. :shake: You passed on adding All Clear to the pot last round. Was that for the sake of the GC or your personal agenda?

[Cho Da]

Doesn't jadzia already have that combination? :-?It certainly gives me a better shot than CubedBee and Mulan, eh?

[Macroman]

I would like to note, all three voted for someone with no votes. Other than Anonymouse, who has good reason for his choice, these are the only players not grouping their votes and helping the ghost committee. I think an EC is here. Good luck, GC.

Now why would he say that... Hmmm...

Does seem a little self serving.

When I cast my vote everyone was ganged up on EK and BC and a couple people suggested throwing some new meat in the pot. I agreed and voted UA. Since no-one followed me (I can't blame them really) I'm alone on UA.

I'm concerend that breaking the "tie" will seem self-serving. I don't have any real reason to suspect anyone other than EK and BC and that is just the flimsy evidence that's been posted here.

I say let the ghost committee decide among us and if it's me then it's me.

Get EK next round.

[Macroman]

I'm a big supporter of the GF concept.
In word, not in deed. :shake: You passed on adding All Clear to the pot last round. Was that for the sake of the GC or your personal agenda?

As I said, I don't believe AC to be EC. I believe you to be EC. It is, however, someone else's turn to get lynched. You have to wait until next round.

[Ebenezer Kohl]

I would like to note, all three voted for someone with no votes. Other than Anonymouse, who has good reason for his choice, these are the only players not grouping their votes and helping the ghost committee. I think an EC is here. Good luck, GC.Now why would he say that... Hmmm...Does seem a little self serving.
Nope. I know why Anonymouse voted for me. If I was in shoes, I might do the same.

Funny, if I was in your Gandalf's lackey shoes, then I would have voted for All Clear last round to aid the GC, a concept you support, right?... if I had nothing to hide, that is. :shake:

As I said, I don't believe AC to be EC. I believe you to be EC. It is, however, someone else's turn to get lynched. You have to wait until next round.
Doesn't show much faith in the GC concept, huh? :shake: So you don't have a clue mainly but you know I'm EC and All Clear isn't? You must be tight with All Clear to pick that up, huh?

[Macroman]

I would like to note, all three voted for someone with no votes. Other than Anonymouse, who has good reason for his choice, these are the only players not grouping their votes and helping the ghost committee. I think an EC is here. Good luck, GC.Now why would he say that... Hmmm...Does seem a little self serving.
Nope. I know why Anonymouse voted for me. If I was in shoes, I might do the same.

Funny, if I was in your Gandalf's lackey shoes, then I would have voted for All Clear last round to aid the GC, a concept you support, right?... if I had nothing to hide, that is. :shake:

I miss how voting for someone you don't believe to be the EC is in any way aiding the GC unless they have asked for that action, that is. As I recall the name the GC called out was Jables and that's who I voted for. It's you, who I believe to be the EC. I believe it was you who asked me to vote for AC, not the GC, right?

[Ebenezer Kohl]

It is after 6 pm Saturday. EK, Traina and Jables are possible choices for the ghosts to nominate, regardless of what subsequent living student votes occur. If you have strong feelings about which we should pick or not pick, post them or PM them (with PMing best if you feel strongly we should not pick someone). (Do not PM Leela or me, since we will not be on-line much.)

If you rotate someone else into the top two before we announce a choice, we will consider that person as well (but only while they remain in the top two spots).

Hey, maybe you could help out good old Gandalf and roll your vote onto All Clear so that there is a fourth option for the GC. You could always indicate you still think it is best to get rid of that dang EK.

What was your reply again? I won’t post it, but I’d love everyone to see just how much you support the GC. You have nothing to hide, right?! :lol: We both know we are discussing what occurred well before the announcement to lynch Jables.

[Gandalf]

To the person who sent me a PM at 2:36 PM eastern time today, first word of subject "Assume".
:-? I don't understand, and I have not posted it in the ghost forum since I can't imagine anyone else would understand either. Can you explain?

[Macroman]

.....

Just to quell any innuendoes, I'll post the PMs verbatim. The others can decide how to interpret them:


Ebenezer Kohl wrote:
Hey, maybe you could help out good old Gandalf and roll your vote onto All Clear so that there is a fourth option for the GC. You could always indicate you still think it is best to get rid of that dang EK.

I responded:
Or I could try to discredit the idea that I am, in fact, Gandalf's Lackey.

You have not yet explained how rotating someone into the mix that I do not believe to be EC would be helping the GC. If I had to pick someone else other than you for EC I don't think it would have been AC (or Jables).

Your PM clearly shows that you were campaigning for AC to save your own skin. That is exactly what I would expect from an Exam Committee member. An innocent student simply wouldn't care that much about being lynched. I swear the GC is just keeping you around in hopes that you reveal your EC/sleeper partner.

With that I'm signing off from this discussion for now. I'll check in again before bed and respond if someone finds something intelligent to say.

[Rocky]

I’ll admit to being curious, but what I wonder won’t be found in the ghost forum. The ghosts have an important decision to make now, so choose wisely. Realize that the living students are beyond that decision having offered three good candidates. Now the interested living students prepare to reduce our number to 10 where 6 will be needed for a majority. Take care of business, ghosts, and end my anxiety.

Rocky, my opinion of these three is available for all to see as well as the supplemental details (sent by PM) you need to make your decision. The list you request is antiquated and I will not provide one to you. Ghosts look for reason to discount evidence offered. I will not provide you more than I believe necessary.

My reply was intended for the students in general, but if you ever get an itch to send your list...4sigma would love to see it. :D

I'm not going to argue with you, but you have no evidence to back up your statement about ghosts discounting evidence.

As for your assertion that the lists are antiquated, does that even make sense to you? It's the best way (along with public debates of guilt) that the students can influence the direction of the game.

[Leela]

According to the game model which the ghosts have constructed, the probability that BC is EC is 73.4%. Therefore, we recommend that he be lynched this round.

[Rocky]

cubedbee and BC

of course it's already taken...but since my thing vote didn't work out, I'll try to find a loophole here...

[Macroman]

According to the game model which the ghosts have constructed, the probability that BC is EC is 73.4%. Therefore, we recommend that he be lynched this round.

This is how I can help the GC:

unvote: Ultimate Anyone
Vote: BC

[Klaymen]

According to the game model which the ghosts have constructed, the probability that BC is EC is 73.4%. Therefore, we recommend that he be lynched this round.

Well I don't know about you, but I'm convinced. :roll:

[Rocky]

According to the game model which the ghosts have constructed, the probability that BC is EC is 73.4%. Therefore, we recommend that he be lynched this round.

Well I don't know about you, but I'm convinced. :roll:

There are other reasons, but the primary evidence is described very well by Asynchronous in this post http://actuary.ca/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=30397&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=3164

[Klaymen]

If you look in the thread where BC offers in his 'spirited defense', the two familiar with this Paranoia game are Asynchrous and 4sigma. More so the former, although why would Asynchrous risk all this to implicate someone else.

That EC2 thing could be totally bogus too. And if it's not, it would be easy enough to go back and search for clues about someone and implicate them in the next game.

I don't buy it. If BC says he was playing bridge in college, he probably didn't need many other diversions. I would sooner lynch one of the other two mentioned above.

[Ultimate Anyone?]

Are we going to get 3 nominees, or is everyone going to pile onto BC? :shake:

Is it a pile on, or just a good old-fashion lynching?!? :)

Okay, okay, I'll help out with the "gimme three" list, but I'll likely switch back, especially if the lynchin' is near!

Unvote: BC
Vote: All Clear

As promised....

Unvote: All Clear
Vote: BC

[Macroman]

According to the game model which the ghosts have constructed, the probability that BC is EC is 73.4%. Therefore, we recommend that he be lynched this round.

Well I don't know about you, but I'm convinced. :roll:

There are other reasons, but the primary evidence is described very well by Asynchronous in this post http://actuary.ca/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=30397&amp;postdays=0&amp;postorder=asc&amp;sta rt=3164

Wow, that's what we're going on? I gotta say that's really thin evidence more like speculation. EC (sorry I mean EK) might even have better evidence against All Clear. Unfortunately if EK has evidence against AC I can't find it amoungst all the garbage he's posted.

For the record I've never played Paranoia, I'm 40 (slightly out of the target age group), but it sounds like something I might like but not be good at. I do think it's possible that someone who didn't play might have picked up the catch phrase from a friend, relative, or advertising. I used to have a friend that used to spout jingles, slogans, and such for fun and ridicule.

I think it's quite possible that anyone playing this game might have direct or indirect Paranoia exposure and I wish we had something better to go on.

[J.T.]

Unvote: All Clear
Vote: BC

[Rocky]

Wow, that's what we're going on? I gotta say that's really thin evidence more like speculation. EC (sorry I mean EK) might even have better evidence against All Clear. Unfortunately if EK has evidence against AC I can't find it amoungst all the garbage he's posted.

For the record I've never played Paranoia, I'm 40 (slightly out of the target age group), but it sounds like something I might like but not be good at. I do think it's possible that someone who didn't play might have picked up the catch phrase from a friend, relative, or advertising. I used to have a friend that used to spout jingles, slogans, and such for fun and ridicule.

I think it's quite possible that anyone playing this game might have direct or indirect Paranoia exposure and I wish we had something better to go on.

Notice that I didn't say that's all that we're going on. It's part of the case against BC.

The students gave the ghosts 3 choices, and we went with the one that had the most substantive reasons to lynch. That's not to say that he was the best choice out of all students, but he was the best choice out of the top 3 vote-getters.

[Ebenezer Kohl]

Traina Unvote: Macroman
Traina Vote: BC
Unvote: Macroman
Vote: BC

8 BC - J.T. jadzia
1 Macroman - BC Sunny
1 All Clear - RedSoxFan Maine-iac
1 J.T. - BC thing
1 Ebenezer Kohl - BC Hagbard Celine
1 RedSoxFan - All Clear Ebenezer Kohl
Ultimate Anyone - BC Jables
jadzia - BC Kupat Shakur
Kaput Shakur - BC Leela
Asynchronous - BC ahow
Traina - BC J.T.
Will Durant - Macroman snafu
Anonymouse - Ebenezer Kohl Ultimate Anyone?

[Kaput Shakur]

So this is probably too late to save BC, but

Unvote: BC
Vote: Ebenezer Kohl

"People, people, calm down. You're acting like a lynch mob!

We are a lynch mob!"

[Mr. Penguin]

Goingh, going, gone!

[BC]

“You think you’re so smart, don’t you?”

Confused, I whirled around to face a lynch mob.

“You’ve been blowing smoke from the very beginning, haven’t you? First, you created a “slightly flawed” model and then destroyed your own peer review committee. Then, you tried to divert attention from yourself by placing your proxy with Sunny and killing her to make the ghost committee look bad. And all along you’ve been keeping up this façade of being a “professor-type” with an axe to grind against anyone who didn’t support the ghosts, because you “knew” they’d never nominate you, one of their supporters. Well guess what – it backfired. You were too cute by half when you included the quote from Paranoia that you found online to use later in the game to cast suspicion on Asynchronous. And you forgot that you had already mentioned that you were a dual-society candidate. So I guess you aren’t so smart after all, are you?”

“But…” I started.

“Still, this could just be an EC plot to cast suspicion on you. So I’m going to give you one more chance to see if you’re really as smart as you pretend to be.”

“Before you are 13 numbered glasses of wine in a row. We’re going to take turns drinking either one glass or two glasses that are adjacent – their number differs by one, of course. One of the glasses is poisoned. If you drink the last glass and I drink the poison, you win and we’ll lynch someone else. If I drink the last glass or you drink the poison, we’ll find out whether you are just a Turing machine or if you’re actually Evil EC.”

“Um, okay, I replied, not really having a choice. But if you drink the poison…” and was rudely interrupted by “it’s okay. Ebenezer Kohl has spent the last few years developing immunity to iocane powder. He'll be your opponent. One other thing – you won’t be able to use your computer, pencil or paper. If you really are as smart as you say you are, you should be able to model this in your head. You will have 30 seconds to make your moves.”

I started to reach for the middle glass. I mean, even without a complex model, it’s easy to see that leaving two equal piles would leave me with the last wineglass. After all, I’d just have to mirror any future moves Ebenezer Kohl made. But before I had reached for it, EK said, “And I’ll go first”.

EK must have misinterpreted my intentions, because instead of grabbing the glass in the middle, glass number 6 was emptied. Now I didn’t know what to do. Given enough time, I could easily consider each sub-pile as a separate node and designate them as “winners” or “losers” depending on reachability conditions. As it was, I was going to have to go on instinct, and do my best to prevent EK from reaching a symmetric, and obviously losing, position. Intuition led me to glass number 2, leaving adjacent sets of 1, 3, and 7 glasses. ZZZZZZZZZZ thought for a full 29 seconds, before reaching for glass number 11, leaving adjacent sets of 1, 3, 4, and 2 glasses. A quick analysis showed I still couldn’t force a symmetric position… and then I saw it. My salvation. At least, I thought so – I couldn’t check every case in time, but I downed glasses 8 and 9, leaving 1,3,1,1,2 (Glasses 1, 3-5, 7, 10, and 12-13), leaving what I believed to be an asymmetric winning position. ZZZZZZZZZZ and then I both drank the two singletons, 1 and 7, and ZZZZZZZZZZ went to the other end, with glass 13. I selected glass 4, leaving the four non-adjacent 3, 5, 7, and 12. The last two rounds went quickly, ZZZZZZZZZZ drinking 3 and 12, and I finished off 5 and then finally glass 10.

“So now what? I’ve passed your test,” I said. EK asked me, “All right, tell me how you would model this game and we'll lynch the student of your choice.”

“Well,” I began, “I would consider the partitions of numbers less than 13 as separate nodes in a dynamic network and then designate them as “winning” nodes if they permitted one to win immediately – such as a single glass or two adjacent glasses. I would then designate any node that could ONLY reach a winning node as a losing node, and continue, alternately labeling any node that could reach ANY losing node as winning, and any node that could reach no winning nodes as losing, until I had determined which moves from the node designated “13” were winners if I had the first move, or (in this case) which moves from the node designated “7,5” led to any losing nodes. It’s a simple game, really.”

“But what about the other factor you forgot?”

“What factor is that?”

“The time it takes for the dose of poison to be fatal.”

“What relevance does that have?”

“You said you passed the test."

"Yes. I'm still here, aren't I?"

"I don’t recall telling you that the poison acted instantaneously.”

Suddenly I felt sick. Not from having been fooled, but from the delayed effects of iocane powder. It would seem that my gloating had been premature.

The last words I heard as I blacked out were, “Apparently he IS stupid. After all, why did he think I avoided taking the middle glass? I mean, even without a complex model, it’s easy to see that leaving two equal piles would leave me with the last wineglass. After all, I’d just have to mirror any future moves BC made.”

But know that as one falls, another rises – for while I was a member of the evil EC, THERE IS YET ANOTHER IN YOUR MIDST!!!

[Leela]

So, are you the sleeper or EC2?

[Mr. Penguin]

I've left it up to BC as to whether or not he wants to divulge that, but as is obvious from his last line, the game is not over.

[urysohn]

based on the dual-society-candidate comment, my money's on EC2.

[urysohn]

I've left it up to BC as to whether or not he wants to divulge that.
But then how will your stapler-voting work? If he is EC2 and the cubedbee/BC voter changes their vote now, thinking he's the sleeper, who wins?

[Mr. Penguin]

based on the dual-society-candidate comment, my money's on EC2.

Yeah, except your money still hasn't shown up in my PayPal account.

:roll:

[Ultimate Anyone?]

Woo-hoo!!! We got us another one!

Only one left... nice job, everyone!

[Mr. Penguin]

I've left it up to BC as to whether or not he wants to divulge that.
But then how will your stapler-voting work? If he is EC2 and the cubedbee/BC voter changes their vote now, thinking he's the sleeper, who wins?
The stapler will be awarded to whoever guesses EC1 and EC2 correctly. It's that simple. If the person who voted CubedBee/BC wants to change their vote, they can. Or not.

It's a game of choices, after all.

:)

[Ebenezer Kohl]

Dearly beloved, we are gathered here today to mourn the passing of BC. Let us bow our heads in silence. Ashes to ashes. Dust to dust. We commit his body to the ground, a banquet feast for shrewd worms. Though this is a burial fit for a fishmonger, even those not so honest deserve respectable ends.

You played your part well, BC. I’m glad you're dead.

[urysohn]

You played your part well, BC. I’m glad you're dead.
:lol:

[Rocky]

He/she will NOT take over the EC ID of the slain EC member. You will know which EC# you got as well as their student ID. However, you will not know if the sleeper has even been activated (i.e., that they're still alive).

Well, which EC# did we get? :D

[Will Durant]

MAN!!!

I checked in last night (pretty late) and I checked in this morning (as soon as work allowed) - and I still missed all the action?

[Klaymen]

I don't buy it. If BC says he was playing bridge in college, he probably didn't need many other diversions. I would sooner lynch one of the other two mentioned above.

:oops:

Goes to show what I know.

[Mr. Penguin]

He/she will NOT take over the EC ID of the slain EC member. You will know which EC# you got as well as their student ID. However, you will not know if the sleeper has even been activated (i.e., that they're still alive).

Well, which EC# did we get? :D

Made you look!

[Macroman]

I don't buy it. If BC says he was playing bridge in college, he probably didn't need many other diversions. I would sooner lynch one of the other two mentioned above.

:oops:

Goes to show what I know.

Ditto for me. Here I was trying to convince everyone the evidence wasn't good enough. Good job GC!!!!

[snafu]

He/she will NOT take over the EC ID of the slain EC member. You will know which EC# you got as well as their student ID. However, you will not know if the sleeper has even been activated (i.e., that they're still alive).

Well, which EC# did we get? :D

Made you look!

:swear: :swear: :swear:

[Klaymen]

Well now that we know BC was EC, does it help us narrow down the remaining bad guy? (I wouldn't know - clearly I'm not capable of logical reasoning in this game)

[Avi]

As Mr. P said we would know the EC number of the departed, and as he refuses to tell us about BC, it implies that BC was the sleeper, no?

[Mr. Penguin]

As Mr. P said we would know the EC number of the departed, and as he refuses to tell us about BC, it implies that BC was the sleeper, no?

I believe I said this with regards to the first EC killed.

[Sunny]

OK! Just got the news! What did I tell ya! :D

I am pretty sure BC is EC2. Since he was mighty concerned about EC1's chat with me. So, who did that for his stapler/golf shirt vote?

[Avi]

As Mr. P said we would know the EC number of the departed, and as he refuses to tell us about BC, it implies that BC was the sleeper, no?

I believe I said this with regards to the first EC killed.You never explicitly stipulated that.

http://actuary.ca/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=30397&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=122

[Asynchronous]

But know that as one falls, another rises – for while I was a member of the evil EC, THERE IS YET ANOTHER IN YOUR MIDST!!!

WOOHOO - the Paranoia theory worked! Die you evil EC!!

Based on his reference to the Paranoia quote, the dual-society factor, and the wording up above, I'm inclined to think that BC was EC2, and that the sleeper is at large.

The next question in my mind is, does this post (http://actuary.ca/phpBB/viewtopic.php?p=591678#591678) by Macroman incriminate him? Given that BC was marked for execution at that point, would the sleeper really try that hard to defend their partner at such risk of exposure?

[Ebenezer Kohl]

jadzia (reply to Sunny's stapler question)

[Mr. Penguin]

As Mr. P said we would know the EC number of the departed, and as he refuses to tell us about BC, it implies that BC was the sleeper, no?

I believe I said this with regards to the first EC killed.You never explicitly stipulated that.

http://actuary.ca/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=30397&amp;postdays=0&amp;postorder=asc&amp;sta rt=122

It's not explicitly stated, but since it was in regards to whether or not the sleeper would be taking over one of the EC IDs, I think it's more than implied.

[Ebenezer Kohl]

Ghosts, move on. Don’t celebrate your success by whining to Mr. Penguin.

[Avi]

Hey boo, I'd just like to point out that the score is

Ebenezer's Resoning 0 for 8
Avi's reasoning 1 for 1

:burn:

[Rocky]

Ghosts, move on. Don’t celebrate your success by whining to Mr. Penguin.

Can it marshmallow...

We're trying to help the slayer narrow down his/her two top choices here...There's a "student" out there that's about to feel the cold steel of a slayer stake. Innocent students would rather that stake not get intimate with their entrails...

[Ebenezer Kohl]

We're trying to help the slayer narrow down his/her two top choices here...
Look at the posts by living students between June 16 and June 18.

Page 81 (http://actuary.ca/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=30397&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=2009)

[Macroman]

But know that as one falls, another rises – for while I was a member of the evil EC, THERE IS YET ANOTHER IN YOUR MIDST!!!

....

The next question in my mind is, does this post (http://actuary.ca/phpBB/viewtopic.php?p=591678#591678) by Macroman incriminate him? Given that BC was marked for execution at that point, would the sleeper really try that hard to defend their partner at such risk of exposure?

It's a fair question. Please consider along with this that I

1) kept my vote intact against BC
2) was one of the two likely alternatives should the attention shift away from BC.

I just hoped that we could find some more compelling reason to lynch.

With that I have a day off today so I'm going to get away from the computer for a while.

[jadzia]

Woo-hoo !

Only one evil guy left !!!

And I have at least 50% chance to win the stapler !!! (I would bet more because of some of EC2 comments)

Nice job Asynchronous !!!

[Mulan]

But know that as one falls, another rises – for while I was a member of the evil EC, THERE IS YET ANOTHER IN YOUR MIDST!!!

Assuming that BC was the sleeper (and the part about being EC "for a while" sounds like that), the quoted part also makes it sound like there is a 2nd sleeper that has now arisen (OR maybe EC2 is just now woken up??). Can Mr. Penguin confirm the precise number of sleepers now or ever in the game.

Also I see no grounds for keeping BC's sleeper vs EC2 status secret. It appears clear that we are entitled to the information.

[Macroman]

I forgot. My chance of winning may be nearly zero, but I might as well be right.

Cubedbee and Ebeneezer Kohl

[Butters]

Another EC bites the dust! Way to go students! :party:

[Mr. Penguin]

There is/was only one sleeper in this game.

[urysohn]

It appears clear that we are entitled to the information.
"entitled". I like that :lol:

[Mr. Penguin]

It appears clear that we are entitled to the information.
"entitled". I like that :lol:

Typical liberal "entitlements".

:shake:

[Tim><]

I'm coming for you next. :evil:

[Mulan]

It appears clear that we are entitled to the information.
"entitled". I like that :lol:

Typical liberal "entitlements".

:shake: :evil:

[Hagbard Celine]

"To each his own", I guess.

:horse:

[Mr. Penguin]

I'm coming for you next. :evil:

You hitting on me????

:yikes:

[Tim><]

I'm coming for you next. :evil:

You hitting on me????

:yikes:

You can play stupid all you want. 50 more and then you're mine! :burn:

[Traina]

Hooray!!!

Another EC bites the dust. EK I commend you on your judicious use of my proxy :D

[urysohn]

Looks like we've got a Canadian Slayer, eh?

[Ebenezer Kohl]

Thanks, Traina.

To the remaining EC:

Long have I held the ghost committee to be bumbling clowns without hope of drinking the water to which they were pulled. But now I see I have been mistaken, as it is you who have stumbled so carelessly along rocky terrain, failing to hit the Slayer at every opportunity. Two of your mates have been retired. While it is true that cubedbee’s death may not have been the cause of your blundering, you must recognize the failures of the EC collectively. You have yet to strike fear in the slayer. It is possible you won’t even have another chance. I give the EC their due and admit you have killed a good number of innocent students, but is that what you will hang your hat upon? Show some pride, EC. I’m the least bit ashamed that you didn’t take advantage of the open call the Slayer made for PMs. It was at least worth a try. Now what do have but to remain sitting on your hands while even the ghost committee seems capable of hunting you down. Go change your drawers and come back for the throttling you must know to be inevitable.

[ahow]

Anybody notice that EC2 hasn't posted (as far as I know) since CubedBee passed away (read: was brutally slain)? Perhaps Cubed was posting as EC1 and EC2 and now without Cubed a (slient) EC2 doesn't have the stones to post anymore.

Care to show yourself, EC2???

[4sigma]

This is undoubtedly the closest thing to a compliment that the Ghost Committe can expect from EK.

This goes to show the effectiveness that is possible when the living students and the ghosts cooperate. Last round was the first round where we had some effective swing voting. The ghosts then considered our evidence regarding the leading candidates provided by the living, and we chose correctly.

So congratulations are in order for the students, who successfully put BC on the radar. And for the Ghost Committee as well, for successfully ferreting out BC from the choices provided. The whole is greater than the sum of its parts.

As the slayer now deliberates, let us hope that the last EC is slain and the students become victorious.

[Tim><]

Even a blind batter will occassionally make contact. :viola:

[urysohn]

This goes to show the effectiveness that is possible when the living students and the ghosts cooperate. Last round was the first round where we had some effective swing voting. The ghosts then considered our evidence regarding the leading candidates provided by the living, and we chose correctly.

Allow me to paraphrase...
Last round we got lucky. Damned lucky. Holy cow, it's about time we got one of those buggers.
:P

[Mulan]

Even a blind batter will occassionally make contact. :viola: :roll:

[Rocky]

Even a blind batter will occassionally make contact. :viola:

Hold onto that thought...it's the only hope you've got...

[Tim><]

Even a blind batter will occassionally make contact. :viola:

Hold onto that thought...it's the only hope you've got...

Splain

[Tim><]

Even a blind batter will occassionally make contact. :viola:

Hold onto that thought...it's the only hope you've got...

Hold onto that thought...it's the only thought you've got...

[Rocky]

Even a blind batter will occassionally make contact. :viola:

Hold onto that thought...it's the only hope you've got...

Splain

Even a blind batter will occassionally make contact. :viola:

Hold onto that thought...it's the only hope you've got...

Hold onto that thought...it's the only thought you've got...

:shake: apparently, it takes at least one blind batter a couple of swings...

[Tim><]

Even a blind batter will occassionally make contact. :viola:

Hold onto that thought...it's the only hope you've got...

Splain

Even a blind batter will occassionally make contact. :viola:

Hold onto that thought...it's the only hope you've got...

Hold onto that thought...it's the only thought you've got...

:shake: apparently, it takes at least one blind batter a couple of swings...

KP was 2-2 with 2 HR, 2 R, 8 RBI

[Avi]

This goes to show the effectiveness that is possible when the living students and the ghosts cooperate. Last round was the first round where we had some effective swing voting. The ghosts then considered our evidence regarding the leading candidates provided by the living, and we chose correctly.

Allow me to paraphrase...
Last round we got lucky. Damned lucky. Holy cow, it's about time we got one of those buggers.
:P

Ahem.

This is the first round since my lynching.

'nuff said

:burn:

And if you buy that...... :duh:

Truthfully, I did push for BC, as the logs will show when the game is over.

[Tim><]

For those keeping score:

KP: 8
Rocky: 0

[Ebenezer Kohl]

This is the first round since my lynching.
Talk to Jables. :shake:

[Rocky]

For those keeping score:

KP: 8
Rocky: 0

What you mean is...

KP: :duh: :duh: :duh: :duh: :duh: :duh: :duh: :duh:
Rocky:

[Avi]

This is the first round since my lynching.
Talk to Jables. :shake:

The logs will how who suggested BC and who did not.

Keep on bouncing, bubble-boy :P

[Ebenezer Kohl]

This is the first round since my lynching.Talk to Jables. :shake:The logs will how who suggested BC and who did not.

Keep on bouncing, bubble-boy :P
This was the SECOND round since I had you killed. Jables was lynched last time.

[4sigma]

For the record, several ghosts were in favor of naming BC this round. It is fair to say that Avi and I were among those leading the lobbying for his lynching this round, as were a few others. There were other voices leading various other efforts, but eventually BC became the consensus candidate. The full history is available in our "Round 8 lynching thread" which all may view once the ghost forum becomes public.

Again, I repeat my offer that anyone who would like to read about it before the end of the game is welcome to meet our simple requirements for admission.

Congrats again to all for our successful collective effort last round!

EK, I apologize in particular for the thread on the ghost forum where I called your strategy horrible and said that EC must be delighted with you. In retrospect, this was perhaps a slight exaggeration. ;) If you wish, I will edit that out before it becomes public.

[4sigma]

According to the game model which the ghosts have constructed, the probability that BC is EC is 73.4%. Therefore, we recommend that he be lynched this round.

As you can see, we have now developed quite a superior mathematical model compared to the biased one that BC constructed. However, Gandalf and I do wish to thank BC for his initial consultations with us, which formed the raw basis for the one which eventually lynched him.

[Tim><]

For those keeping score:

KP: 8
Rocky: 0

What you mean is...

KP: :duh: :duh: :duh: :duh: :duh: :duh: :duh: :duh:
Rocky:

:lolup:

[4sigma]

I will be in search of new real estate later this evening. However, I think we may want to use a new lender, at least for the purpose of identifying individual locations, as it is possible that our current lender may be subject to corruption. You never know what sort of kickbacks these guys are getting from the sellers.

If you are able to locate one, please be sure that our new lender is able to underwriter properties in region 8, as it is likely that we will want to consider at least one location there.

[Jables]

Alright! 2 down, and 1 more to go!! :clap:

[Jables]

Ebenezer Kohlx
CubedBee - Staked by Slayer - EC!
Will Durant
Cho Da - Lynched by the Students - Innocent Student
J.T.
4sigma - Slain by EC - Innocent Student
Avi - Lynched by the Students - Innocent Student
karma police Lynched by the Students - Innocent Student
Hagbard Celine - Staked by Slayer - Innocent Student
Ultimate Anyone
Gandalf - Slain by EC - Innocent Student
Kenshiro - Staked by Slayer - Innocent Student
Jables - Lynched by the Students - Innocent Student
Ahow Staked by Slayer - Innocent Student
Maine-iac - Slain by EC - Innocent Student
Asynchronous
Anonymouse
All Clear
jadzia
Traina
RedSoxFan
Sunny - Slain by EC - Innocent Student
BC - Lynched by the Students - EC
snafu - Lynched by the Students - Innocent Student
Kaput Shakur
Butters - Staked by Slayer - Innocent Student
Super Silver Haze - Slain by EC - Innocent Student
Macroman
Werewolf - Staked by Slayer - Innocent Student
Rocky - Slain by EC - Innocent Student
Oblomov - Lynched by the Students - Innocent Student
Mulan - Slain by EC - Innocent Student
stu - Staked by Slayer - Innocent Student
Leela - Slain by EC - Innocent Student
thing - Lynched by the Students - Innocent Student


Any reason that lynching BC is less exciting than staking CubedBee? :D

[Leela]

Any reason that lynching BC is less exciting than staking CubedBee? :D

Maybe that means he's the sleeper? Is it more exciting to lynch the original EC or the sleeper? Hmmmmm.

[Werewolf]

Even though I'm now a ghost, I have to chime in with a
:party:

[4sigma]

Ebenezer Kohlx
CubedBee - Staked by Slayer - EC!
Will Durant
Cho Da - Lynched by the Students - Innocent Student
J.T.
4sigma - Slain by EC - Innocent Student
Avi - Lynched by the Students - Innocent Student
karma police Lynched by the Students - Innocent Student
Hagbard Celine - Staked by Slayer - Innocent Student
Ultimate Anyone
Gandalf - Slain by EC - Innocent Student
Kenshiro - Staked by Slayer - Innocent Student
Jables - Lynched by the Students - Innocent Student
Ahow Staked by Slayer - Innocent Student
Maine-iac - Slain by EC - Innocent Student
Asynchronous
Anonymouse
All Clear
jadzia
Traina
RedSoxFan
Sunny - Slain by EC - Innocent Student
BC - Lynched by the Students - EC
snafu - Lynched by the Students - Innocent Student
Kaput Shakur
Butters - Staked by Slayer - Innocent Student
Super Silver Haze - Slain by EC - Innocent Student
Macroman
Werewolf - Staked by Slayer - Innocent Student
Rocky - Slain by EC - Innocent Student
Oblomov - Lynched by the Students - Innocent Student
Mulan - Slain by EC - Innocent Student
stu - Staked by Slayer - Innocent Student
Leela - Slain by EC - Innocent Student
thing - Lynched by the Students - Innocent Student


Note to self: Next game, try and sign up in the middle of the list. Apparently it is dangerous to be near either the top or bottom.

With the death of BC, a sudden surge of analysis becomes necessary to see what implications there are from his death. (EK, for the record, I am adjusting my short list now.) This may have implications on what Real Estate we are interested in acquiring next.

Apologies to anyone who is bored. If you find yourself with nothing better to do, you can look back through the thread at all of BC's actions, and at any actions that a current living student took to either endanger or protect BC, for clues as to who is the remaining EC. Don't forget to review any PMs you have to or from BC. Also please compare actions that occurred before CubedBee was slain vs. afterwards, in the event that BC was the sleeper and was not aware that he was EC until that time.

Anyone who sends us a PM with the results of their thorough search is entitled to complain about the delay this round, otherwise any complaints will be cheerfully ignored. :sleep2:

Thank you.

4&sigma;

[Avi]

I will be in search of new real estate later this evening. However, I think we may want to use a new lender, at least for the purpose of identifying individual locations, as it is possible that our current lender may be subject to corruption. You never know what sort of kickbacks these guys are getting from the sellers.

If you are able to locate one, please be sure that our new lender is able to underwriter properties in region 8, as it is likely that we will want to consider at least one location there.No offense 4sig, but according to my actuarial analysis, I thought region 10 was the more promising area for success. At least it appeared that we could get more funding from our investment banking firm. What happened?

[Mulan]

in region 8, as it is likely that we will want to consider at least one location there.No offense 4sig, but according to my actuarial analysis, I thought region 10 was the more promisingI'm a ghost that must be out of the know (I wonder why I'm being left out - surely there is nothing I did wrong??). I don't understand either of these messages, but suspect an trap for the remaining EC is magically woven into the very words of the two remarkable messages. I eagerly await the results of the trap (and really shouldn't be drinking so much wine while I wait...) :o

I'm sad that I haven't gotten messages from some of you about your suspicions. Thank you to those who have taken the time to PM me. It feels weird not to be able to answer.

Well back to my bottle!!

Ghostly Mu

[All Clear]

I have sent a pm to Mr. Penguin already, but I am very disapointed in that he has not told us whether BC was EC2 or activated sleeper and I will air it here as well. On June 1st, Mr. P. wrote at the end of a post concerning the sleeper "And I will never divulge his identity unless he is activated and later slain and/or wins."

This means, in what I believe to be clear terms, that if the sleeper is "activated and later slain", his identity will be revealed (divulged). As of now, Mr. Penguin has not revealed the identity of the sleeper, even after BC's death. Therefore, I must conclude that BC is EC2. And if Mr. Penguin has changed the rules since that post in order to make the game more fair to the EC, I can only say that this is cheating, and not the game I signed up to play. Seriously, if others feel this way, pm Mr. P. or post here, that we are allowed, by rules of the game, to know.

EK, you can post the pm's you sent me and the ones I sent you last friday if you want. The act I did that has EK voting for me is that I did not want to ask RSF a question about chess posting habits a short time after I had just posted before in this thread. I told him I thought it was a good question, and would ask it on the weekend, when I would be posting again anyway. Because I am not able to sign onto the RF most days at work, I didn't want to get into a back-and-forth with anyone. EK is on all the time (or at least more often than myself or most others) and could have easily asked RSF at any time he wanted- I did not consider this originally. I also am quite suspicious about his "deciding" that him and Traina (my top 2 EC choices) are off target for our votes. I would probably have voted for Traina and not EK if given the chance, but these recent actions have left me wondering again. I will again remind everyone that EK is a better chess player than I am, and I can say for sure that the last 3 games we played (a draw, a "no contest", and the current game that I am losing badly) show he is a better player than I am. The ghosts and slayer have a list of my thoughts on innocence and guilt. EK was near the top then, and has only since gotten higher.

[4sigma]

OK, we've got quite a crowd up here in the ghost forum now, so we're ready to go haunt some major metropolitan areas. The little shacks in those rural towns just won't do any more. Ideally, we could use a good theater or stadium. Our best prospects are:

Baltimore, MD 21273-7444 or 21274-8333
Flushing, NY 21326-0821
Louisville, KY 40253-3548
NY, NY 10283-5646
Sarasota, FL 34325-1530 or 34325-1531
Sargent, GA 30275-7824

It is possible that you may have difficulty locating something in NYC or in the first Baltimore location. Our travel guide indicates that there are suitable properties in the given locations, but they may require a bit of exploration in the suburbs. Then again, these travel guides are often hopelessly outdated, so let us know what you find.

[Kaput Shakur]

4 sigma-

At the end of the game, once either the last EC or the last student is killed, will you be explaining this 9 digit code of yours?

(I'm happy that the city whose ZIP=my SSN hasn't been haunted yet!)

[urysohn]

4 sigma-

At the end of the game, once either the last EC or the last student is killed, will you be explaining this 9 digit code of yours?

Oh, I cracked it quite some time ago. It's really just a fancy way for the ghosts to publicly trash-talk EK without him knowing about it. some of those things they're saying would make you blush :oops:

[Avi]

4 sigma-

At the end of the game, once either the last EC or the last student is killed, will you be explaining this 9 digit code of yours?

Oh, I cracked it quite some time ago. It's really just a fancy way for the ghosts to publicly trash-talk EK without him knowing about it. some of those things they're saying would make you blush :oops:

SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!

Or I may have to go 31445-8587 over your lizard tail :burn:

[Mr. Penguin]

I have sent a pm to Mr. Penguin already, but I am very disapointed in that he has not told us whether BC was EC2 or activated sleeper and I will air it here as well. On June 1st, Mr. P. wrote at the end of a post concerning the sleeper "And I will never divulge his identity unless he is activated and later slain and/or wins."

This means, in what I believe to be clear terms, that if the sleeper is "activated and later slain", his identity will be revealed (divulged). As of now, Mr. Penguin has not revealed the identity of the sleeper, even after BC's death. Therefore, I must conclude that BC is EC2. And if Mr. Penguin has changed the rules since that post in order to make the game more fair to the EC, I can only say that this is cheating, and not the game I signed up to play. Seriously, if others feel this way, pm Mr. P. or post here, that we are allowed, by rules of the game, to know.

First off, perhaps I wasn't clear enough in what AC quotes above. It was never my intent to divulge whether or not the second EC slain was original or not. Doing so may in effect cause the stapler segment of the game to end before the game itself and I certainly never wanted to end the game with an anti-climax. My true intent of the quote above was that in the event that the sleeper was never activated, nobody other than the EC would ever know who he/she had been. And once the game is concluded, each member of the EC will be revealed as well as to whether they were original or not.

I have changed no rules whatsoever. Maybe I wasn't clear enough, but in every instance in this game and in the last, I have issued clarifications when asked to. Some have seemingly aided students and some have seemingly aided EC. But no rulings were decided on a basis of being more "fair" to one side or the other. They were decided on the basis of my original intent and vision for the game, it's that simple.

Frankly, I take more than a little umbrage at the mere mention of my "cheating". If others feel as strongly about this as AC, let me know. And AC, if you feel the need to leave the game, so be it.

[Ebenezer Kohl]

I will again remind everyone that EK is a better chess player than I am, and I can say for sure that the last 3 games we played (a draw, a "no contest", and the current game that I am losing badly) show he is a better player than I am.
Where is my victory over All Clear you may wonder? There isn’t one. However he is correct that I have taken the early advantage in all three games. While three games do not suggest a pattern, I believe I am a more creative thinker than is All Clear with all my chess pieces in play. I see the board and make aggressive moves quickly, much like Anonymouse, Gene Yuss, Voter, and others. All Clear plays much more methodically. All Clear, RedSoxFan, and Macroman are the type of players that read chess books, own chess computer programs, take organized chess direction, and play structured public events, while I have done none of these. I play for shear entertainment and doing any of these things would make the game more serious and less fun for me. So where does this get me? All Clear is much, much better in the endgame than I am.

One can easily draw parallels to this game. I am not surprised that it has taken All Clear SEVEN DAYS to respond in the public thread. He exchanged THREE PMs with me last Friday and they were full paragraph responses, not quick simple sentence responses. All Clear doesn’t have time to post? I call foul. All Clear was online the entire afternoon last Friday. Once I noted on this thread that everyone could see online status, his dropped. What a surprise.

The act I did that has EK voting for me is that I did not want to ask RSF a question about chess posting habits a short time after I had just posted before in this thread. I told him I thought it was a good question, and would ask it on the weekend, when I would be posting again anyway.
RSF still hasn’t answered the question and this doesn’t bother All Clear, nor would that be my expectation. All Clear does not engage in discussion, takes too long to respond openly to routine questions, and hasn’t shown any willingness to move beyond his original position on accusations. The last two voters were All Clear and RedSoxFan exchanging votes that didn’t matter in the least as the fire had burnt, the smoke had cleared, and they ran out and said they were in the mix. False. Don’t doubt that All Clear is a dangerous player sitting quietly in the corner. He measures his responses and counters positions taken against him. His is an endgame approach much like what would be expected from the EC.

[Gandalf]

Frankly, I take more than a little umbrage at the mere mention of my "cheating". If others feel as strongly about this as AC, let me know. And AC, if you feel the need to leave the game, so be it.
Mr. P,
I for one really appreciate all the work you've put into this game. I wasn't expecting to be told whether the second EC we killed was original or sleeper.

I might wish you had been more explicit about the PM KP sent me, but my name will be cleared in the end, and I did suggest that he should not be thrown out if he PMed only me.

If you want All Clear removed from the game, all you have to do is tell us he is EC and we will take care of it at our earliest opportunity.

[Asynchronous]

I play for shear entertainment...

Sounds like EC to me!!

[Ebenezer Kohl]

Anyone who sends us a PM with the results of their thorough search is entitled to complain about the delay this round, otherwise any complaints will be cheerfully ignored. :sleep2:
The ghost committee has no authority to limit compaints. The ghost committee doesn't have a turn... ever. The current turn is the Slayer and PMs should go there. The ghost committee should have a proposed student system ready to go (should the Slayer miss) after the EC takes another innocent student life. The ego in the ghost committee has naturally increased with the latest success and that is to be expected, but I would like to place a general warning that we are not out of the woods and there is still an EC member among the living students. Don't become careless.

[Rocky]

The ghost committee has no authority to limit compaints. The ghost committee doesn't have a turn... ever.

:shake: This coming from a bouncing S'mores filling...

[Gandalf]

Anyone who sends us a PM with the results of their thorough search is entitled to complain about the delay this round, otherwise any complaints will be cheerfully ignored. :sleep2:
The ghost committee has no authority to limit compaints.
We have no authority to limit complaints, but we have the authority to ignore complaints. Authority implies choice. In your case, EK, you can be sure that each of your complaints will get the full attention it deserves.

[Tim><]

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[Macroman]

The ghost committee has no authority to limit compaints. The ghost committee doesn't have a turn... ever.

:shake: This coming from a bouncing S'mores filling...

Here's some simple advice, ignore the troll. If anyone has some reasons to believe that someone is the EC, good or not, let's hear them. But lets agree to ignore all of EK's constant argumentative baiting, because that's all it is.

DON'T FEED THE TROLL!

[Avi]

Why not? Cotton Balls haven't been this entertaining since the Boll Weevil invasion of '42.

[Rocky]

It's only for entertainment value Macroman. It's funny watching Albino Flubber get all riled up... :P

[Ebenezer Kohl]

I see that I have been quoted three times and each one of them omits that this is the Slayer's turn. One could come to the conclusion that the ghost committee thinks they can handle this game without the Slayer. It seems the failure with committees in general is they become too big for their britches wishing to overextend their authority... if they ever had authority initially.

[Avi]

Jealousy becomes thee not, oh bouncing ball of bluster.

[Rocky]

I see that I have been quoted three times


Make it four, Fluff...

One could come to the conclusion that the ghost committee thinks they can handle this game without the Slayer.

What a fool believes... :duh:

Slayer &lt;&gt; Ghost Committee. He/she knows what the GF thoughts are and he/she will make another fatal staking when he/she is ready...

[urysohn]

Shouldn't somebody be dead by now? Is there a time limit on the Slayer/EC's turns?

[Avi]

Slayer &lt;&gt; Ghost Committee. He/she knows what the GF thoughts are and he/she will make another fatal staking when he/she is ready...Rocky, if "michelin man meets silly putty" doesn't get it by now, explaining it further won't help.

[Ebenezer Kohl]

The dead know only one thing, Avi; it is better to be living. :wink:

[Rocky]

Shouldn't somebody be dead by now? Is there a time limit on the Slayer/EC's turns?

Check your inbox :wink:


it's an oldie, but a goody

[Rocky]

Slayer &lt;&gt; Ghost Committee. He/she knows what the GF thoughts are and he/she will make another fatal staking when he/she is ready...Rocky, if "michelin man meets silly putty" doesn't get it by now, explaining it further won't help.

You're right, even the Acme Stupid Stick Piledriver couldn't help Sumo Dogbert get the game basics straight... :roll:

[ahow]

One could come to the conclusion that the ghost committee thinks they can handle this game without the Slayer.

Ok, Kirby...

http://www.allretrogames.com/nes/neskirbysadventure.jpg

[BC]

I'd like to add: It occurred to me to ask shortly after Cubedbee was killed, whether or not it would be revealed if the next EC member killed was the original member or the sleeper. For obvious reasons, I did this via PM. And, since it was right when the sleeper was activated, I requested that Mr. P NOT publicly respond, since I thought that would tell the students that the sleeper had been activated. I figured that if anyone else wanted to ask publicly, they could, since (to my mind) it had not been clarified.

To All Clear: I understand your frustration. However, technically the game
you signed up for was on page 1, not page 31. Reread your post.

To anyone else: I know that I've had more than one bad day and said something I later wished wouldn't be thrown back in my face.

To Mr. Penguin: I have, and am continuing to enjoy this, and think you've done a been fair when adjuticating issues which went my way and issues which didn't. I might even be interested in running the next one, if anyone's interested. If so, I will ask your advice in advance about rules clarifications :)

[the mole]

To All Clear: I understand your frustration. However, technically the game
you signed up for was on page 1, not page 31. Reread your post.

Right. So everyone, including Mr. P, should be bound by the page 1 rules as they stood when the game started. Or even as they stood through each of the first 8 edits: Each time an EC is killed, I will announce whether that swine was EC1, EC2 or an activated sleeper.In an effort to appear impartial, Mr. P deleted that rule, a step that definitely favored the EC.

Who are you going to trust, me or that EC-collaborating penguin? :wink:

[BC]

To anyone else: I know that I've had more than one bad day and said something I later wished wouldn't be thrown back in my face.


Like today.

[Rocky]

BC -

Your death scene and your penultimate post makes it sound like you were EC2. Mr. P. said that it's your choice whether you tell or not. Do you want to make EC2 your final answer?

[urysohn]

Slayer &lt;&gt; Ghost Committee. He/she knows what the GF thoughts are and he/she will make another fatal staking when he/she is ready...Rocky, if "michelin man meets silly putty" doesn't get it by now, explaining it further won't help.

You're right, even the Acme Stupid Stick Piledriver couldn't help Sumo Dogbert get the game basics straight... :roll:
The game basics? All the game basics allow to the ghost forum is the privilege of continued rambling. Much as you may wish otherwise, the ghost forum has no power. They have authority, voluntary given by those living students, but no power. The power still belongs solely with the living.

[urysohn]

Shouldn't somebody be dead by now? Is there a time limit on the Slayer/EC's turns?

Check your inbox :wink:


it's an oldie, but a goody
And yet it has strangely little effect on me ;)
But I'll tell you what, if the students or the Slayer choose to do so, they can take one of their turns and "lynch" or "slay" me. I will abide by that decision. It'd be a dumb one, but I'd abide by it :P

[Mr. Penguin]

FYI, the EC_Slayer has requested and received a one hour extension.

[Rocky]

Slayer &lt;&gt; Ghost Committee. He/she knows what the GF thoughts are and he/she will make another fatal staking when he/she is ready...

The game basic is cleverly hidden in the first 3 words (and 2 symbols) of this post...can you find it? It's sort of like "Where's Waldo", only easier. :D

You're right, even the Acme Stupid Stick Piledriver couldn't help Sumo Dogbert get the game basics straight... :roll:
The game basics? All the game basics allow to the ghost forum is the privilege of continued rambling. Much as you may wish otherwise, the ghost forum has no power. They have authority, voluntary given by those living students, but no power. The power still belongs solely with the living.

Is urysohn really DTNF? You are supposed to read before you post... :duh:

[Rocky]

And yet it has strangely little effect on me ;)
But I'll tell you what, if the students or the Slayer choose to do so, they can take one of their turns and "lynch" or "slay" me. I will abide by that decision. It'd be a dumb one, but I'd abide by it :P

If Cubedbee was still around it's likely that the EC would be considering using a turn on you... :shake:

[Tim><]

FYI, the EC_Slayer has requested and received a one hour extension.

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[Ebenezer Kohl]

I think you should answer, BC. Flip a coin, heads - say you’re EC2, or tails - say you’re the sleeper. At least it may quiet these blathering ghosts temporarily. Interrogation doesn’t seem to be a strong suit for ghosts. I know one thing they have all done well… die. And most of them seem to be great whiners, too.

[Gandalf]

But I'll tell you what, if the students or the Slayer choose to do so, they can take one of their turns and "lynch" or "slay" me. I will abide by that decision. It'd be a dumb one, but I'd abide by it :P
Filthy EC collaborator. If our slayer misses and the EC kills the slayer, it would be in the students' best interests to lynch you when 10 are alive.

[urysohn]

But I'll tell you what, if the students or the Slayer choose to do so, they can take one of their turns and "lynch" or "slay" me. I will abide by that decision. It'd be a dumb one, but I'd abide by it :P
Filthy EC collaborator. If our slayer misses and the EC kills the slayer, it would be in the students' best interests to lynch you when 10 are alive.
technically I'm a sympathizer, not a collaborator. ;)

[Mulan]

I know one thing they have all done well… die. And most of them seem to be great whiners, too.Hey, I'll take those as complements. It was my honor to take one on the chin to protect the slayer - it is good that the EC is so dumb.

Whining is an art form and takes YEARS of practice - right, EK?

Cheers,
Ghostly Mu

[4sigma]

But I'll tell you what, if the students or the Slayer choose to do so, they can take one of their turns and "lynch" or "slay" me. I will abide by that decision. It'd be a dumb one, but I'd abide by it :P
Filthy EC collaborator. If our slayer misses and the EC kills the slayer, it would be in the students' best interests to lynch you when 10 are alive.
technically I'm a sympathizer, not a collaborator. ;)

Exactly what an EC collaborator would be expected to say....

:shake:

[11pecans]

Frankly, I take more than a little umbrage at the mere mention of my "cheating". If others feel as strongly about this as AC, let me know. And AC, if you feel the need to leave the game, so be it.

I think he cheated and I'm leaving the game.

[Rocky]

I think he cheated and I'm leaving the game.

Yo Holmes, smell ya later...

[Mr. Penguin]

The EC_Slayer has chosen and I have notified the victim. Hopefully we can get a death scene in the next hour or so.

[Tim><]

The EC_Slayer has chosen and I have notified the victim. Hopefully we can get a death scene in the next hour or so.

:sleep: :viola: :sleep:

[Mr. Penguin]

:sleep: :viola: :sleep:

http://www.the-jungle.net/emotes/ahole.gif

[Will Durant]

Hopefully we can get a death scene in the next hour or so.

[tv geek mode on]
Hopefully means 'with hope.' Do you me we can get a death scene with hope? No, you mean you hope we can get a death scene.
[tv geek mode off]

http://actuary.ca/phpBB/viewtopic.php?p=422558#422558

[Gandalf]

Mr. P,

The rules governing PMs from ghosts are very clear, so you don't need to create new ones. I just need clarification about the application of the existing rules. I know I am allowed to PM EC1. Do the rules allow me to PM EC2?

[11pecans]

You're all a bunch of cheaters!!!! I quit.

[Mr. Penguin]

Mr. P,

The rules governing PMs from ghosts are very clear, so you don't need to create new ones. I just need clarification about the application of the existing rules. I know I am allowed to PM EC1. Do the rules allow me to PM EC2?

http://www.the-jungle.net/emotes/gavel.gif

[Mulan]

Mr. P,

The rules governing PMs from ghosts are very clear, so you don't need to create new ones. I just need clarification about the application of the existing rules. I know I am allowed to PM EC1. Do the rules allow me to PM EC2?

http://www.the-jungle.net/emotes/gavel.gifSorry? Was that a "yes" or a "no"??

[Mr. Penguin]

With the recent deaths of so many innocent students, Kaput Shakur decided to pay his respects at the graveyard (http://www.casact.org/forum/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=forum&amp;f=14). As he moved closer to the tombstone, he was joined by another mourner, who wore a mask over their face.

"I see you've come to jeer at these poor students' graves!"

"No, I just wanted to pay my respects."

"Respect this, EC SCUM!"

With that, The Slayer plunged a stake into Kaput's chest, even as Kaput pulled out his Innocent Student ID card. As Kaput sank to the ground and gasped his last breath, The Slayer had only one thing to say:

"Ooopsie!"

[Mr. Penguin]

Mr. P,

The rules governing PMs from ghosts are very clear, so you don't need to create new ones. I just need clarification about the application of the existing rules. I know I am allowed to PM EC1. Do the rules allow me to PM EC2?

http://www.the-jungle.net/emotes/gavel.gifSorry? Was that a "yes" or a "no"??

http://www.the-jungle.net/emotes/angel13.gif

[Mulan]

The Slayer had only one thing to say:

"Ooopsie!"Our slayer said "ooopsie!"?? No f'in way. Are you SURE the slayer said that?

[Mr. Penguin]

The Slayer had only one thing to say:

"Ooopsie!"Our slayer said "ooopsie!"?? No f'in way. Are you SURE the slayer said that?

Well, you know, I could post what he/she really said, but I don't want to ge banned.

[snafu]

Round 8 Summary
0661 Ebenezer Kohl VOTE All Clear
0662 GAME END OF PAGE 126
0663 Traina VOTE Asynchronous
0664 Traina UNVOTE Asynchronous
0665 Traina VOTE BC
0666 BC VOTE J.T.
0667 Traina UNVOTE BC
0668 Traina VOTE J.T.
0669 Asynchronous SUGGEST BC and Macroman
0670 Asynchronous VOTE BC
0671 Jadzia VOTE BC
0672 Will Durant SUGGEST Ebenezer Kohl and BC
0673 Will Durant VOTE Macroman
0674 Anonymouse VOTE Ebenezer Kohl
0675 Macroman VOTE Ebenezer Kohl
0676 Macroman UNVOTE Ebenezer Kohl
0677 Macroman VOTE Ultimate Anyone?
0678 J.T. VOTE All Clear
0679 Kaput Shakur VOTE BC
0680 Traina UNVOTE J.T.
0681 Traina VOTE RedSoxFan
0682 Ultimate Anyone? VOTE BC
0683 RedSoxFan VOTE BC
0684 Traina UNVOTE RedSoxFan
0685 Traina VOTE All Clear
0686 Ebenezer Kohl UNVOTE All Clear
0687 Ebenezer Kohl VOTE Macroman
0688 Ultimate Anyone? UNVOTE BC
0689 Ultimate Anyone? VOTE All Clear
0690 All Clear VOTE RedSoxFan
0691 GAME END OF PAGE 129
0692 RedSoxFan UNVOTE BC
0693 RedSoxFan VOTE All Clear
0694 Traina UNVOTE All Clear
0695 Traina VOTE Macroman
0696 GAME END OF PAGE 131
0697 Ghosts SUGGEST BC
0698 Rocky STAPLER CubedBee and BC
0699 Macroman UNVOTE Ultimate Anyone?
0700 Macroman VOTE BC
0701 Ultimate Anyone? UNVOTE All Clear
0702 Ultimate Anyone? VOTE BC
0703 J.T. UNVOTE All Clear
0704 J.T. VOTE BC
0705 Traina UNVOTE Macroman
0706 Traina VOTE BC
0707 Ebenezer Kohl UNVOTE Macroman
0708 Ebenezer Kohl VOTE BC
0709 Kaput Shakur UNVOTE BC
0710 Kaput Shakur VOTE Ebenezer Kohl
0711 STUDENTS LYNCH BC
0712 GAME END OF PAGE 132
0713 Macroman STAPLER Cubed Bee and Ebenezer Kohl
0714 GAME END OF PAGE 133
0715 GAME END OF PAGE 136
0716 EC_Slayer SLAYS Kaput Shakur
0717 GAME END OF ROUND 8

And a cheer goes up as another EC bites the dust!!!

[Mulan]

http://www.the-jungle.net/emotes/angel13.gifWhat does this mean?

[BC]

BC -

Your death scene and your penultimate post makes it sound like you were EC2. Mr. P. said that it's your choice whether you tell or not. Do you want to make EC2 your final answer?

Honest Answer from BC:

Actually, I like Ebenezer Kohl's suggestion (this sinus infection must be making me sicker than I thought :-? ) about the coin flip.

Before I posted today, I PMed Mr. P about All Clear's post. I said that if he felt that he needed to reveal whether I was EC2 or the Sleeper, I was fine with that; while I felt this information might hurt the EC team, I felt that it was more important for the game to be FUN, and if this secret was ruining that then he should go ahead. You have seen his public response.

In the following, no offense is intended.

>>>>>

Evil taunt answer from BC as EC (the player):

Get a clue: I've lied. I'm EVIL, get it? I've killed students. I've slept with their significant others. I've sold their children into slavery. I've taught their furry little pets to piddle in their expensive shoes. I've drunk their beer. I've donated money to NARAL. I've written things like "General default error [-566]" for Bill Gates. I've started Poker Threads in the Games section. I'm EVIL. Of course I've lied. The question you need to ask yourself isn't IF I've lied, but WHEN.

[Mr. Penguin]

http://www.the-jungle.net/emotes/angel13.gifWhat does this mean?

I'm an angel and you turn me into a devil, baby?

[snafu]

Some additional data to ponder while we are waiting on the lone EC
Round 1 Leading Student Nominees: N/A. Lynched: Oblomov
Round 2 Leading Student Nominees: Gandalf, Avi, Will Durant. Lynched: snafu
Round 3 Leading Student Nominees: Mulan, Gandalf. Lynched: karma police
Round 4 Leading Student Nominees: Gandalf, Sunny, Cho Da. Lynched: Cho Da
Round 5 Leading Student Nominees: Avi, Thing. Lynched: thing
Round 6 Leading Student Nominees: Anonymouse, Avi. Lynched: Avi
Round 7 Leading Student Nominees: EK, Traina, Jables. Lynched: Jables
Round 8 Leading Student Nominees: BC, All Clear, Macroman. Lynched: BC
Round 9 Leading Student Nominees: ???

[Mr. Penguin]

The EC's choice has been notified. With hope, :P, we'll have a death scene soon.

There will then be 10 students left, so 6 votes are needed for a lynching.

I will not be around at all this weekend. Regardless of when the scene is posted, the deadline for the next lynching is noon, est, on Wednesday 7/7.

Have a lovely weekend, one and all!

[Tim><]

:sleep: :viola: :sleep:

http://www.the-jungle.net/emotes/ahole.gif

:lolup:

[Ebenezer Kohl]

The ghost committee should have a proposed student system ready to go (should the Slayer miss) after the EC takes another innocent student life.
Come with it.

[Leela]

The ghost committee should have a proposed student system ready to go (should the Slayer miss) after the EC takes another innocent student life.
Come with it.

We have yet to see a death scene from said innocent student.

:P

[Ebenezer Kohl]

Does that factor into a ghost proposition?

[Leela]

Does that factor into a ghost proposition?

Not necessarily. I just wanted to point out that your request gave us until after the death of the innocent student to make our proposal.

[Ebenezer Kohl]

The EC's choice has been notified.
Dead is dead. Only the details are unknown.

[4sigma]

In theory it might affect our tactics depending on whether or not EC hits the slayer. In practice, it appears that our tactical discussions are very nearly complete.

[Macroman]

Completely convinced that Ebenezer Kohl was the EC I had been tracking his movements across the country for days looking for some hard evidence that would make the case against him. Early this afternoon he was driving a rented red Buick down an unfamiliar road to a town I’d never seen before. He pulled over to the side of the road in front of a local watering hole. He was greeted by some shady looking characters on his way inside. I thought this is it, this is going to be the evidence I was looking for. I parked my own vehicle a discreet block away, got out of the car, checked for my pistol in its holster and started towards the bar.

As I neared the door I heard the din from inside. Even in the middle of the day this was a busy place. Good, I thought, if he’s not near the door I should be able to go inside. I was unsure if EK knew I was following him, or even would recognize me if he saw me. I spotted him at the bar earnestly chatting with the bartender. I slipped thru the door with no reaction from EK. Just after stepping inside I heard a loud hiss from my left but still no reaction from EK. I looked in the direction of the hiss; it came from an attractive young woman in a booth in the corner. I went to her as much to quiet her as anything. She said “Sit, I have important information for you” patting the seat beside her. I said “Quickly, please, I have a job to do.” She whispered “I know”. From my seated position I couldn’t see EK. She continued “There was someone here this morning looking for you; he’s waiting in the restroom”. “What!” I said a little too loudly, forgetting myself. She said “There was an old man here looking for you this morning, he said to watch for you”. He said he’d be hiding in the men’s room, you should go see him”.

Suspicious I asked “Where is it?” “Back opposite corner of the bar" she replied. I got up from the table; EK was gone from his perch. I looked around carefully but he was gone from the room. I slowly proceeded back towards the restroom. As I passed thru the narrow restroom entrance I pulled the gun. As I passed a partition near the entrance a heavy weight caught the side of my head. I fell to the floor and saw a dark cloaked figure thrust a sword into my chest and in a moment it was over. Alas, another innocent student bites the dust, but once again not the slayer.

On that score the EC is 0-9!

Death to the EC!

[4sigma]

Excellent death scene, Macroman! And thanks for taking one for our elusive slayer.

[Leela]

Sorry to see you go Macroman.


Since last round went so well, the ghosts propose that we use the same student system this round.

You did a very good job controlling the votes last round and stopping bandwagons. We have every faith that you will do just as well this round.

Remember that anyone who already has three votes is duly considered, and there will be no reason for anyone to get four votes. If you truly feel that someone is EC, but they already have 3 votes, please suggest them in red, and explain that you would vote for them, but they already have 3 votes.

Now, let's keep the votes swinging and get some discussion going.

[snafu]

Hey EC,

Slayer Killing Never Wassis!!!!!

:lol: :lol: :lol:
:lol: :lol: :lol:
:lol: :lol: :lol:

[Rocky]

It's also a good idea to put this (http://www.actuary.ca/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=30397&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=3422) to good use...

[Macroman]

Excellent death scene, Macroman! And thanks for taking one for our elusive slayer.

Glad to.

[Ebenezer Kohl]

Macroman, look who is irrelevant now. :lol:

Vote: Asynchronous

I wonder when Asynchronous placed BC with the Paranoia comment, because it certainly wasn’t after cubedbee’s death (http://actuary.ca/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=30397&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=2009). Asynchronous continued to be sleeper possibility last round and rushed in to provide the students with evidence (http://actuary.ca/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=30397&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=3155) that hung cubedbee. Both Asynchronous and cubedbee had pulled Traina proxy votes within about an hour and a half. I think Asynchronous is the most probable sleeper, if EC2 is dead. I do not believe it is possible for Asynchronous to be EC2 due to BC’s link noting dates posted.

I assume All Clear wears the immunity necklace or I would vote for him.

[Tim><]

Hey EC,

Slayer Killing Never Wassis!!!!!

:lol: :lol: :lol:
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:lol: :lol: :lol:

You spelled wases wrong. :duh:

Clank!

[Tim><]

Hey EC,

Slayer Killing Never Wassis!!!!!

:lol: :lol: :lol:
:lol: :lol: :lol:
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Also, everyone knows that such things are always done in green. :shake:

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[Avi]

Funny Abducens tribute never wases!Oxymoronic, no?

[4sigma]

Anyone swinging out there? We've got one vote for Asynchronous, and nothing else. Perhaps the students just want the ghosts to name someone from our collective model? Otherwise, maybe Traina needs to give EK her proxy again....

[All Clear]

Yes BC, I was quite frustrated when Mr. Penguin did not reveal whether or not you were the sleeper after your death, mostly because in my mind the quote that he had made was clear, that it would be revealed. Still, my accusations of possibly switching the rules, and my cheating mention was out of line, and I want to apologize to Mr. Penguin for that. If you say that you intended it to mean something other than what I thought, I'll take you word on that, and move on. Sorry about my rant- I was quite tired when making the post (I think it was 2AM, or something), if that helps. Thank you for the comments, by the way, BC. :-)

No, Mr. Kohl, no immunity necklace for me- feel free to vote however you want. I didn't like the necklace that you gave yourself and Traina last time, so I won't be taking it for myself now. Vote: Ebenezer Kohl for reasons of manipulation (trying to get others to vote for me by saying what is undoubtedly a false statement, that you are a "Tier 2 player" compared to me. I only wish you in fact were when I play against you), and for picking fights with the ghosts, making myself (and perhaps others) think that there is no way you can be EC and do this. Now that I know how manipulative you can be (perhaps picking the fights knowing we would think of your innocence), you get my vote.

Others I would like to continue to reccomend, are Traina and Ultimate Anyone. UA because he does not seem to be helping the student cause as much as most others, in terms of trying to figure out who is what. I know I am reaching on this, and it is far more likely he is not EC, I just don't have a compelling reason to nominate anyone else.

[Macroman]

Macroman, look who is irrelevant now. :lol:
...

I'm thinking I'll get the last :lol:

You seem very happy to see me, an innocent student, go to the other side,

[BC]

Thank you for the comments, by the way, BC. :-)


No problem, I'm only evil part-time :)

I also realized I should have mentioned the discussion with Mr. P BEFORE my other post, since it probably sounded kind of self-serving outside of that context.

[Ebenezer Kohl]

You seem very happy to see me, an innocent student, go to the other side,
Absolutely! It was the EC turn so no hope of killing the EC. It was a miss on the slayer. And best of all, it was the person who questioned my relevance by way of PM earlier today. I’m thrilled to see a codknocker like you bite the big one. Have fun with the rest of the losers in the ghost forum. :lol:

Otherwise, maybe Traina needs to give EK her proxy again....
Seriously, I will take any proxies that people will give to me this round. I understand people are on vacation, so if you are reading this post without much further time to spare, give me your proxy. I have a fairly good understanding of what the ghosts want to accomplish this round and will see to it, not because I love their authoritarian leadership, but it seems reasonable to use the ghosts for the best interest of the living students.

[Traina]

I'm finally have internet access from home. Hooray.

[Asynchronous]

I'm pretty much at a loss for justifiably suspecting anyone at this point. I am going to Vote: Will Durant for no better reason than I can't remember much substantive participation from him. (OK - strike that - he has participated, but I'll offer him up nonetheless, but am ready to swing for a convincing arguement or theory)

If the ghost committee has any favorites from the remaining list, I would welcome some suggestions, as well. Are we really better off just offering up random names? If we're all sending our suspect lists to the GC, then the GC probably has the best analysis at this point and I would welcome their input.

[Macroman]

You seem very happy to see me, an innocent student, go to the other side,
Absolutely! It was the EC turn so no hope of killing the EC. It was a miss on the slayer. And best of all, it was the person who questioned my relevance by way of PM earlier today. I’m thrilled to see a codknocker like you bite the big one. Have fun with the rest of the losers in the ghost forum. :lol:
....

Nice language there EK. Sounds more than a bit like retaliation to me. Aren't you the least bit concerned that hitting me makes you look like the EC? Seeing as how you're all focused on staying alive and such?

[4sigma]

Seriously, I will take any proxies that people will give to me this round. I understand people are on vacation, so if you are reading this post without much further time to spare, give me your proxy. I have a fairly good understanding of what the ghosts want to accomplish this round and will see to it, not because I love their authoritarian leadership, but it seems reasonable to use the ghosts for the best interest of the living students.

C'mon EK, you do love our authoritarian leadership just a little bit, don't you? :bighug:

I think EK is a repressed ghost stuck in a living body. The avatar says it all.

[4sigma]

If the ghost committee has any favorites from the remaining list, I would welcome some suggestions, as well.

The ghosts will not be suggesting any names, at present. If we were to do so, EC perhaps might get the idea that those named are rather unlikely to be the slayer.

It would be possible for the ghosts to throw out names for discussion, with the understanding that we might occasionally throw out the name of someone that we believe (or are convinced) is innocent.

If the students are interested in the ghosts tossing out a few names, we will be happy to provide some of our top candidates, with the understanding that such a list may include some people that we are NOT interested in lynching, including possibly the slayer.

Credit for this idea is originally due to Avi.

[4sigma]

Are we really better off just offering up random names? If we're all sending our suspect lists to the GC, then the GC probably has the best analysis at this point and I would welcome their input.

As has been noted several times earlier, the ghost forum becomes more and more effective as the game progresses. We have a pretty sizeable collection of information assembled up on the ghost forum. There are currently nearly 1500 posts, consisting of PMs, observations and analysis and post padding regarding the EC game. Oddly enough, less than 25% of these posts belong to Sunny.

Several students have provided us with ranking lists. These are already playing a key role in our discussions of who we think is innocent and guilty, as the "Round 9 lynching thread" will show when it is made public.

However, there are still a few delinquents who haven't provided us with anything. EK's grossly misguided defiance is of course known. The GC has come to realize that this is just a cover for the fact that he is unable to establish a stable ranking list since he changes his opinions more often than his underwear.

For those remaining who haven't sent a list, this is either a similar commentary upon their hygiene, or it just appears that they are not following the game terribly closely. I confess I am personally more inclined to lynch someone who tries to seem like they're not really following along, ceteris paribus. A lurking EC is the most difficult sort of EC to identify. So how about y'all just PM in your ranking lists, so we don't have to lynch you for being nonparticipatory? ;) Don't forget to include the most compelling reasons for your rankings.

[4sigma]

Last round was an unequivocal success. Thanks again to the students for providing us with three nominees without any bandwagons. If only BC had been nominated sooner, perhaps we could have lynched him long ago. (Or perhaps not.) In any event, let's work to make this round as successful as the last one.

So far the bold votes are:

1 for Asynchronous (the "EC rushed in" theory)
1 for EK (the "EC is annoying" theory)
1 for Will Durant (the "EC is too quiet" theory)

A red vote for Traina and Ultimate Anyone.

Last round, everyone was active in the voting. I urge everyone to get out and vote again. Do you agree with the theories above? Are there perhaps other quiet names that deserve mention? Anyone still support the "EC is active in political" theory? The "EC plays chess" theory? The "EC has played Paranoia" theory? The active voting was integral to last round's success. Don't be shy! Get out and vote!

With a lynching deadline of noon Wednesday, I believe the ghosts should be looking to post a nominee before the close of business Tuesday. Nominations would therefore expect to freeze sometime late Monday or early Tuesday, depending how active people are over the weekend.

And remember, bandwagons are for Morans!

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Death to the EC!

[Will Durant]

I am amazed that after nine rounds, we still have so little information. The following are basically random observations. I am not voting yet, as nobody really seemes to warrant a vote more than anyone else at this point.

&lt;&lt;The "EC plays chess" theory?&gt;&gt;

The chess players are EK, UA, Anonymouse, AC, RSF and me. I don't see any merit to the EC plays chess theory, but this entire argument between EK and AC seems a bit odd, so I suggest them.

&lt;&lt;The "EC has played Paranoia" theory?&gt;&gt;

I think Avi's analysis was spot on. :tup: This led us to BC, who I am sure has played the game (since he said he hasn't, and when have the EC ever said the truth). Are you suggesting that we should be continuing to follow up this line of reasoning?

[J.T.]

I checked in this weekend for a bit of light reading. I didn't know that we already had a slayer and EC killing! Sorry about your deaths Macro and Kaput.

I really don't have much time this weekend, but for now, I know who I want to vote for.

so...Vote: jadzia

Since about the time of CubedBee's passing, she has become almost non-existent in the thread, which makes the possibility of her being the sleeper likely.

If we are allowed to vote for one of the others, I suspect Will Durant and All Clear.

Since I won't be around much this weekend, and possibly not Monday, since I have the day off, I am proxying my vote to EK since he did such a wonderful job with Traina's vote.

Have a happy 4th everyone, and DEATH TO THE EC!

[Sunny]

Can a ghost suggest?

From Egypt: Ultimate Anyone?

:D

[BC]

I think Avi's analysis was spot on. :tup: This led us to BC, who I am sure has played the game (since he said he hasn't, and when have the EC ever said the truth).

Good grief - I thought I made this clear in my response to Rocky, but whatever...

If I ALWAYS lied, it would be as informative as if I ALWAYS told the truth...

:shake: :swear:

I checked in this weekend for a bit of light reading. I didn't know that we already had a slayer and EC killing! Sorry about your deaths Macro and Kaput.

What about me? :cry: :wink:

By the way, I'm still waiting for my access to the ghost forum :D I promise to tell them whether I'm EC2 or the Sleeper.

And with 50% probability, I will be telling them the truth.

>>>>>

Sunny: How was your flight, and why are you wasting your valuable tourist time here? :)

[J.T.]

I checked in this weekend for a bit of light reading. I didn't know that we already had a slayer and EC killing! Sorry about your deaths Macro and Kaput.

What about me? :cry: :wink:

I had seen your death already, and I'm sorry, but I was thrilled about it. :D

[Sunny]

Sunny: How was your flight, and why are you wasting your valuable tourist time here? :)

It's my downtime and I'm 7 hours ahead ET, and tonight I'm free so... Can't stay away from emailing and the RF. :D Flight was actually quite easy. Got to see a ton already and will be VERY busy for the next five days. Saw the pyramids, rode the camels, and got to see the 220 lbs of solid 24K pure gold mummy case for the ONLY pharoah tomb unexploited by the tomb raiders. This is my only downtime in a while before my Friday's exam results (flying out at 4:30am to different locations, hiking all night at Mt. Sinai etc), when I will again check back (from Greece) the exciting EC game to see if the last scum is killed. :D :D :D

DEATH TO THE EC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[RedSoxFan]

I really don't have much time this weekend, but for now, I know who I want to vote for.

so...Vote: jadzia

Since about the time of CubedBee's passing, she has become almost non-existent in the thread, which makes the possibility of her being the sleeper likely.


Sounds suspicious to me.

Vote: jadzia

[Will Durant]

Sounds suspicious to me.

Vote: jadzia
If the "EC is quiet" theory warrants a vote for me, it certainly does for jadzia. In avoidance of a bandwagon, I won't actually vote for her.

[jadzia]

I will send my reason for not posting much since that time to the GC. I trust they will make good use of that information.

Since there is still an EC member here, I don't see why I should tell him/her my reasons !

[Avi]

&lt;&lt;The "EC has played Paranoia" theory?&gt;&gt;

I think Avi's analysis was spot on. :tup: This led us to BC, who I am sure has played the game (since he said he hasn't, and when have the EC ever said the truth). Are you suggesting that we should be continuing to follow up this line of reasoning?

Credit must be given where credit is due. The analysis was not mine, but Asynchronous (http://actuary.ca/phpBB/viewtopic.php?p=589492&amp;highlight=paranoia#589492)

[Ebenezer Kohl]

As has been noted several times earlier, the ghost forum becomes more and more effective as the game progresses.
IMO, this is a false statement. I believe as a game progresses, the initial existence of a ghost forum becomes more and more effective. However, after the creation of the ghost forum, no additional benefit can be expected. I’m not arguing against the ghost forum for this game, but I am stating an inherent weakness in the creation of an early ghost forum from my perspective. I believe the ghost forum limits new investigation and continues unnecessarily false assumptions.

These are already playing a key role in our discussions of who we think is innocent and guilty, as the "Round 9 lynching thread" will show when it is made public.
I recall no benefit from the student rankings last game. I averaged these rankings together to form a composite sketch of combined knowledge, which I thought in conclusion lacked substance. The only student ranking that stood out last game was that of Rocky, who didn’t have a clue. As I have suggested in the past, the ghost forum is not secure. There is no average student rankings at present. The current rankings the ghosts collect is of limited value, who is not paying attention. The ghosts overestimate their wisdom as compared to the information they request from the living students. While some of us earnestly seek the death of the EC through proper investigation, the EC requests a ranking that separates the fifth from the sixth most likely EC. I’m not sorry to admit that this is a waste of my time.

I am proxying my vote to EK since he did such a wonderful job with Traina's vote.
I appreciate both the initial vote and the proxy and recommend others in similar situations to do the same.

2 jadzia - xxx Kupat Shakur
1 Asynchronous - Will Durant ahow
1 Will Durant - xxx snafu
1 Ebenezer Kohl - Asynchronous Hagbard Celine
J.T. - jadzia thing
RedSoxFan - jadzia Ebenezer Kohl
All Clear - Ebenezer Kohl Maine-iac
Traina - xxx J.T.
Anonymouse - xxx Ultimate Anyone?
Ultimate Anyone - xxx Jables

[Gandalf]

As has been noted several times earlier, the ghost forum becomes more and more effective as the game progresses.
IMO, this is a false statement. I believe as a game progresses, the initial existence of a ghost forum becomes more and more effective. However, after the creation of the ghost forum, no additional benefit can be expected. I’m not arguing against the ghost forum for this game, but I am stating an inherent weakness in the creation of an early ghost forum from my perspective. I believe the ghost forum limits new investigation and continues unnecessarily false assumptions.
What is the bolded sentence supposed to mean? How can the initial existence become more and more effective? It is the continuing operation of the ghost forum that increases in effectiveness, and the continued operation produces additional benefit each round, as the slayer and others who are believed innocent can be saved from the student lynchings without directly revealing them to the EC.
One reason it becomes more effective is that more people can review the assumptions, without making them available to the EC. By now more than half of the innocent students are eligible to participate in the ghost forum; not all do. As new ghosts enter the forum, they are able to see our assumptions about who is innocent, and can challenge the ones they don't follow or agree with.

[Butters]

I'd like to suggest jadzia, Asynchronous, Will Durant, Ebenezer Kohl, J.T., RedSoxFan, All Clear, Traina, Anonymouse, and Ultimate Anyone. I'm sure one of these players is EC!

Is that the type of help you'd like from the ghost forum, EK? :D

[4sigma]

2 jadzia - xxx Kupat Shakur
1 Asynchronous - Will Durant ahow
1 Will Durant - xxx snafu
1 Ebenezer Kohl - Asynchronous Hagbard Celine
J.T. - jadzia thing
RedSoxFan - jadzia Ebenezer Kohl
All Clear - Ebenezer Kohl Maine-iac
Traina - xxx J.T.
Anonymouse - xxx Ultimate Anyone?
Ultimate Anyone - xxx Jables

Rather a slow start to the voting this round. I respect that several people may be out of town or the like for the American holiday weekend. However, this nominating system only works if enough people vote that we get 3 nominees from the living students within the next 48 hours or so.

If we continue to have non-participants, I will recommend to the ghost committee that we consider anyone who hasn't voted to be lynched that round (In addition to the top vote-getters). We can't afford to have non-participants left in the endgame, since this plays into the hands of the EC.

Note that I consider red votes to qualify as participating, such as the ones Will Durant has cast. If he does not cast a bold vote by our deadline, each of his two red votes will count as half a bold vote for the people named, for the purpose of determining this round's nominees.

[4sigma]

These are already playing a key role in our discussions of who we think is innocent and guilty, as the "Round 9 lynching thread" will show when it is made public.
I recall no benefit from the student rankings last game. I averaged these rankings together to form a composite sketch of combined knowledge, which I thought in conclusion lacked substance. The only student ranking that stood out last game was that of Rocky, who didn’t have a clue. As I have suggested in the past, the ghost forum is not secure. There is no average student rankings at present. The current rankings the ghosts collect is of limited value, who is not paying attention. The ghosts overestimate their wisdom as compared to the information they request from the living students. While some of us earnestly seek the death of the EC through proper investigation, the [G]C requests a ranking that separates the fifth from the sixth most likely EC. I’m not sorry to admit that this is a waste of my time.

I can understand if you don't think this is worth your time. But why are you trying to discourage others by making a public post about this? Are you afraid of where you will be ranked?

[Traina]

I would also like to suggest Anonymouse, for trying to discredit both the GC and Asynch last round with regards to BC. Sounds mighty suspicious to me.

[Traina]

I'll change it to a bold vote:
Vote: Anonymouse

[jadzia]

If you look in the thread where BC offers in his 'spirited defense', the two familiar with this Paranoia game are Asynchrous and 4sigma. More so the former, although why would Asynchrous risk all this to implicate someone else.

That EC2 thing could be totally bogus too. And if it's not, it would be easy enough to go back and search for clues about someone and implicate them in the next game.

I don't buy it. If BC says he was playing bridge in college, he probably didn't need many other diversions. I would sooner lynch one of the other two mentioned above.

I suppose your referring to this, Traina ? Thanks for bringing that up, I didn't remember it !

Vote : Anonymouse

[Traina]

Yes, that's the one.

[Will Durant]

Vote: EK

As reqested by the ghost committee, now you have three players with 2 votes for consideration. I'm not at all convinced he's EC, but his behavior is bizarre enough that it warrants discussion.

[Avi]

Thank you.

Now if we can keep this to a simmer so that those students and ghosts who are enjoying their holiday weekend sans internet would not be disenfranchised.

[Gandalf]

Thank you.

Now if we can keep this to a simmer so that those students and ghosts who are enjoying their holiday weekend sans internet would not be disenfranchised.
The only important "simmer" is to make sure you don't get carried away and lynch someone. We would love to see discussion about the three that have two votes, or about anyone else. Discussion in the public thread is OK, or PM your thoughts to me or another ghost. (If you feel strongly that someone is NOT EC, and don't want to make them an EC target, that's better to PM than to post in the public thread.)

Additional votes are fine, if you want to give us a fourth target with two votes. Personally, I'm hoping for no UNVOTEs of those now with two, as one of the current three leaders is the player I consider most likely to be EC (not all ghosts agree with my opinion about that player.)

[Macroman]

..... Discussion in the public thread is OK, or PM your thoughts to me or another ghost. ...

Or you could PM your thought to EK, who will be sure to use only those parts of the PMs that he believes will suit his best interests.

[Avi]

Gandalf, the idea is not to stifle conversation. Au contraire, getting to the lynching threshold now really is the only thing that will stifle conversation, by rendering it moot!

[Sunny]

Oddly enough, less than 25% of these posts belong to Sunny.

Uh, but if you look at the percentage while I was ALIVE, I bet it's a lot higher. :D

[Kenshiro]

We have a pretty sizeable collection of information assembled up on the ghost forum. There are currently nearly 1500 posts, consisting of PMs, observations and analysis and post padding regarding the EC game. Oddly enough, less than 25% of these posts belong to Sunny.

Uh, but if you look at the percentage while I was ALIVE, I bet it's a lot higher. :D

I think the percentage of your posts in the ghost forum was lower than 25% while you were ALIVE.

[Ebenezer Kohl]

How can the initial existence become more and more effective?
The initial existence of the ghost forum gathers information known to date. The ghost forum hinders individual student effort for information. Therefore the later the initial existence of the ghost forum, the greater the supply of individual student information.

2 jadzia - Anonymouse Kupat Shakur
2 Ebenezer Kohl - Asynchronous Hagbard Celine
2 Anonymouse - xxx Ultimate Anyone?
1 Asynchronous - Will Durant ahow
1 Will Durant - Ebenezer Kohl snafu
J.T. - jadzia thing
RedSoxFan - jadzia Ebenezer Kohl
All Clear - Ebenezer Kohl Maine-iac
Traina - Anonymouse J.T.
Ultimate Anyone - xxx Jables

I can understand if you don't think this is worth your time. But why are you trying to discourage others by making a public post about this? Are you afraid of where you will be ranked?
Why are you trying to stifle public discourse? Are you afraid openness hurts the ghost forum? I consider there is limited time available for each individual living student and that time should not be wasted needlessly on silly whims of the ghost committee presenting false hope that more active participation by the living students won’t be needed. The more time they waste in your requested endeavor, the more likely it is that they will be lynched or slain.

[Avi]

Hey, Pillsbury, no one is forcing you to give your opinions to the GF. Actually, I speak from personal experience when I say that your reasonings have much flash but not much substance.

Unless, of course, that is what you really had planned the entire time :burn:

[Macroman]

......
2 jadzia - Anonymouse Kupat Shakur
2 Ebenezer Kohl - Asynchronous Hagbard Celine
2 Anonymouse - xxx Ultimate Anyone?
1 Asynchronous - Will Durant ahow
1 Will Durant - Ebenezer Kohl snafu
J.T. - jadzia thing
RedSoxFan - jadzia Ebenezer Kohl
All Clear - Ebenezer Kohl Maine-iac
Traina - Anonymouse J.T.
Ultimate Anyone - xxx Jables

Thank you for providing these summaries of who's voted for who. I know I've found them to be very helpful, and all the color-coding obviously involves effort.

I can understand if you don't think this is worth your time. But why are you trying to discourage others by making a public post about this? Are you afraid of where you will be ranked?
Why are you trying to stifle public discourse? Are you afraid openness hurts the ghost forum? I consider there is limited time available for each individual living student and that time should not be wasted needlessly on silly whims of the ghost committee presenting false hope that more active participation by the living students won’t be needed. The more time they waste in your requested endeavor, the more likely it is that they will be lynched or slain.

I'll respond. The question of publically ranking living players has been, I believe, addressed before. The ranking information is very valuable information to the EC. If the EC knows that certain persons are widely believed to be innocent students then those students will naturally become the targets of the EC. The EC will try to leave alive those students about whom the level of collective suspicion is the highest.

The mechanism of confidentially providing this information to the ghosts for consideration has proved to be a viable way to use the information without providing it to the EC. I believe all the ghosts endorse the concept of providing the ranking information to the ghosts alone. The strategy was very sucessful last game and has worked reasonably well this game. We ghosts thank those students who have and continue to provide this information.

[4sigma]

Note to EC: Nice try killing Maine-iac, Mulan, and Macroman. However, the slayer's name does not begin with "M".

As a hint, it begins with one of the letters in "just warned." As in, you have just been warned that the students, the ghost committee and the slayer are on your trail. Keep looking over your shoulder.

[4sigma]

The initial existence of the ghost forum gathers information known to date. The ghost forum hinders individual student effort for information. Therefore the later the initial existence of the ghost forum, the greater the supply of individual student information.
When this game is over, I invite you to compare the ghost forum from this game to the previous game, and see if you still agree with this statement. I expect that you may want to reconsider it, though I realize you have no basis for doing so yet.

[Gandalf]

I would also like to suggest Anonymouse, for trying to discredit both the GC and Asynch last round with regards to BC. Sounds mighty suspicious to me.
The ghost council thanks Traina for this observation, which seems valid to us. Therefore, we recommend that you lynch Anonymouse.

In addition, Anonymouse is the only remaining good fit for EC2's Memorial Day weekend activity. This is not conclusive, as for example EK has acknowledged having internet access Memorial Day weekend even though he did not post. BC did not post as BC that weekend, but he could possibly be EC2, in which case Memorial Day is completely irrelevant.

Since Anonymouse has been so quiet, there is almost no positive reason to think he is innocent. Most of the student lists we have received have no opinion about him. We do note that EK said he was convinced Anonymouse was not EC2, since Anonymouse agreed to participate in an EK scheme (that never came about anyway). We requested more complete information from EK, but did not get it. In any case, EK said Anonymouse could be the sleeper, and Traina's observation about Anonymouse's defense of BC applies equally well to Anon being sleeper or EC2.

[All Clear]

Unvote : EK
Vote : Anonymouse

[Asynchronous]

Thanks for the analysis, ghosts!

Unvote: Will Durant
Vote: Anonymouse

[Tim><]

The initial existence of the ghost forum gathers information known to date. The ghost forum hinders individual student effort for information. Therefore the later the initial existence of the ghost forum, the greater the supply of individual student information.
When this game is over, I invite you to compare the ghost forum from this game to the previous game, and see if you still agree with this statement. I expect that you may want to reconsider it, though I realize you have no basis for doing so yet.

When this game is over, we will all get a good :lol: at you.

[jadzia]

Well, chances are we choose the right one : Anonymouse post a message 10 minutes ago in a bridge thread and didn't come to give his 2cents here ?

Quite suspicious !!!

Maybe we'll have another EC's death scene by tomorrow... that would be nice !!!

[Ebenezer Kohl]

Since Anonymouse has been so quiet, there is almost no positive reason to think he is innocent. Most of the student lists we have received have no opinion about him. We do note that EK said he was convinced Anonymouse was not EC2, since Anonymouse agreed to participate in an EK scheme (that never came about anyway). We requested more complete information from EK, but did not get it. In any case, EK said Anonymouse could be the sleeper, and Traina's observation about Anonymouse's defense of BC applies equally well to Anon being sleeper or EC2.

Gandalf has been barking up this tree from the beginning. Could this be one of the false assumptions that have lingered in the ghost committee? I am convinced Anonymouse is not EC2. I think it is stupid to use the Memorial weekend evidence against him as it has no basis against the sleeper.

Unvote: Asynchronous
Vote: Anonymouse
J.T. Unvote: jadzia
J.T. Vote: Anonymouse

6 Anonymouse - xxx Ultimate Anyone?
1 jadzia - Anonymouse Kupat Shakur
1 Ebenezer Kohl - Anonymouse Hagbard Celine
Asynchronous - Anonymouse ahow
Will Durant - Ebenezer Kohl snafu
J.T. - Anonymouse thing
RedSoxFan - jadzia Ebenezer Kohl
All Clear - Anonymouse Maine-iac
Traina - Anonymouse J.T.
Ultimate Anyone - xxx Jables

[Klaymen]

Well, chances are we choose the right one : Anonymouse post a message 10 minutes ago in a bridge thread and didn't come to give his 2cents here ?

Quite suspicious !!!

Maybe we'll have another EC's death scene by tomorrow... that would be nice !!!

That's because I pay so little attention to this game. I don't imagine I'll change your minds now, but I honestly didn't think BC was the killer because when I checked the thread relating to that Paranoia game, it sounded like someone else was more familiar with the game and hence more likely to quote that phrase. It was a very unlucky guess, and I expect I shall write my death scene in anticipation of being lynched.

I doubt I shall change your minds, and I promise you the game shall continue... See you on the other side! :shake:

By the way, I won't be totally bummed if you don't lynch me and let me live on. Before you all jump to conclusions, please reread all the Paranoia threads because I recall noting that 4sigma and someone else knew that game and BC didn't have much to say about it. Perhaps someone can link the threads together to display the proof, I wouldn't know how to do that easily and don't care enough to figure out now.

[Macroman]

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By the way, I won't be totally bummed if you don't lynch me and let me live on. Before you all jump to conclusions, please reread all the Paranoia threads because I recall noting that 4sigma and someone else knew that game and BC didn't have much to say about it. Perhaps someone can link the threads together to display the proof, I wouldn't know how to do that easily and don't care enough to figure out now.

With 10 students alive and 6 votes, I believe the question is already decided.

[Klaymen]

So an acquaintance from the Rebel Forum has arranged to play bridge with me at the club. We arrive there early to go over the conventions we’re familiar with; the last thing we want to do is negate excellent declarer play and defense with bidding miscues.

We’re having a rather exceptional game until board 18 comes along. Partner leads the four of diamonds against four spades and KJT85 of diamonds shows up in dummy. Declarer puts in his jack and I take my ace as declarer plays the two. I started with A963 of diamonds myself and I can’t tell if partner started with one diamond or three. If he only held the four, I could give him a ruff. On the other hand, if partner led low from Qxx and I return the suit, declarer would get a discard and a diamond finesse to boot. I switch to clubs, declarer hops up with the ace, draws trump in three rounds, and pitches two losing hearts on the diamond suit. She concedes the diamond and a remaining club, making an overtrick.

Partner rolls his eyes in disgust; evidently with more thought I should have figured his lead was a singleton and allowed a ruff. After that the play of the ace of hearts would receive an encouraging signal to find the king in my hand. Instead, partner writes 650 into the minus column and circles the board number as a reminder to enlighten me in the post mortem.

A bit of uneasy tension remains through the remaining hour of play which seems merely average. As we wait for the scores to be entered and the results to be announced, my partner excuses himself but promises to be right back. I visit with some of the other regulars in the club and see how things are going and even find a decent partner for next week’s game. My partner returns, and we find that we just missed first place by a few matchpoints, and our thoughts return to board 18. We go over the results on several boards as other players leave, and eventually my partner and I head out to the parking lot as it is dark and time to head home.

My partner heads with me to my car and frowns slightly. “I wish you hadn’t made such a critical mistake.” To which I retort, “Oh come on, everyone makes mistakes, half the field let south get away with 11 tricks on board 18.” At this point my partner whips out a gun, shocking me. “I’m talking about your post on the Rebel Forum, you dope! When you tried to defend BC and when he was found guilty, we knew you two must be working together. It was so obvious.”

“But it’s all a mistake!” I countered, sweating nervously, “Go back and read those posts carefully. BC didn’t seem as well versed in the game Paranoia as other posters, so I figured he was innocent.” I gathered my composure and started to realize something, “I was as surprised as anyone else to find out he was guilty. It’s like I was being framed.”

My partner was unmoved. “I’m sorry Mouse, we played a decent game and I hate to do this to a bridge player, but there’s quite a few people that insist you are guilty. I’m not sure myself one way or the other, but I’m not going to have you knocking me off either.” And with that farewell he pulls the trigger and sends this innocent student to be with the Lord.

[4sigma]

I started with A963 of diamonds ....

Apparently your demise was foreshadowed. You held the Curse of Scotland. (http://www.rampantscotland.com/know/blknow_curse.htm)

[jadzia]

:( And I thought we had found the evil one...

Go slayer go !

Death to the EC !

[Kaput Shakur]

Man are you people impatient!

I have a late Friday afternoon meeting that lasts from 2-3, get a PM telling me I've been killed 2pm, and already had my death scene posted for me by 245. You knew I was dead before I did.....

Anyway, since I wrote my death scene long ago, I want to post it posthumously, as well as my apologies for being inaccesible for a long weekend:


It was an exciting afternoon. I spent most of the day cleaning my apartment, because the guys were coming over tonight. The guys, of course, are the other members of The Middle-Aged Men with Unhealthy Fetishes for Sci-Fi Chicks Club (Greater Denver Area Chapter 3). I had recently purchased a new poster of Romana II with K-9 in commemoration of me hosting this month’s meeting. I couldn’t wait to rub Bob’s nose in it. He’s a Romana I fan, the fool.

The buzzer rang as I was getting my Star Trek glasses out from the cupboard. I’m proud to say I have seven out of the nine glasses in the set—missing only Nurse Chapel, and, ironically, Seven-of-Nine. “The guys are a bit early,” I thought, “I wonder if they’ve been kicked out of the comic book shop again?”

I buzzed them up, and went to check on the fungilli—Dr. Brahms’ favorite. I had placed it in the fridge only twenty minutes ago, and it had not chilled yet. Fungilli, like revenge, is a dish best served cold.

I answered the knock on the door, expecting to see TM-AMwUFfS-FCC (GDAC3). “Man, we need a better acronym,” I thought to myself, then realized that there was only one person there. Who it was, I couldn’t tell, as the cloak he/she was wearing covered any clue of identity or gender. (Could it be a woman? A Woman!? In my apartment!? Score!!!).

“Bob, that’s not you, is it?” I asked, afraid that it would be him after all.

“I know not Bob,” it replied, “my business is with you, Shakur,” and it stepped inside and closed the door. “I know what kind of evil you’ve been committing with your big cubed robot friend, and I’m here to put an end to it!” All thoughts of gender and identity went out of my mind when I noticed the knife it held pointed at my heart.

“Wow, that’s just like Leela’s kris first seen in The Face of Evil—first broadcast on January 1, 1977!” I cried.

“Leela is dead thanks to you and your companion,” it responded, thrusting the blade deeply into my chest. “I use this knife to honor her and all innocent students.” As I lay dying, it tossed a rosebud at my feet. “Du ist kaput, Shakur,” it whispered.

“But I’m only a poor innocent student myself!” I tried to say, but the knife had not only cut my heart but a lung as well, preventing me from making any sound Alas, having no TARDIS and being unable to regenerate, I went to join the Ghost Committee (Greater Denver Area Chapter 3).


TM-AMwUFfS-FCC (GDAC3) had a surprise waiting for them when they did show up.

[Traina]

:cry: :oops: :cry:

Sorry, Anonymouse...but it did seem really suspicious, that one of your rare posts would involve a vigorous defense of BC/EC.

[Gandalf]

I think it is stupid to use the Memorial weekend evidence against him as it has no basis against the sleeper.
:judge:
EK, as far as I know, neither the ghosts nor the living students as a group are sure whether BC was EC2 or the sleeper. Thus, for example, if it is a very close call between two possible sleepers, and one of those two is more likely to have been EC2 than the other, it is sensible to take the one who is more likely to be EC2. That assumes that the objective is to kill the EC, which is what the ghosts wanted to do. Your objectives in this game have been somewhat a mystery all along.

While the ghosts don't know, it is possible you know whether BC was EC2 or Sleeper, and would flip a coin if we asked which.
I am convinced Anonymouse is not EC2.
:judge:
EK, yes, we were very aware of that, as I noted in the post recommending Anonymouse for lynching. We tried to get more information about why you were convinced, and were stymied. As with Avi, we lynched an innocent student after a living student ignored our specific request.

[Ebenezer Kohl]

I am not certain whether BC is EC2 or the sleeper. I believe the ghost committee has enough of my thoughts concerning EC2 to come to a conclusion concerning my opinion of BC. As it is just an educated opinion, I have not closed the other door.

I am convinced Anonymouse is not EC2.
:judge:
EK, yes, we were very aware of that, as I noted in the post recommending Anonymouse for lynching. We tried to get more information about why you were convinced, and were stymied. As with Avi, we lynched an innocent student after a living student ignored our specific request.
With Avi, you have a point. I wanted Avi dead and gave the ghost committee enough to recommend him.

I don’t think your opinion is fair in regards to Anonymouse. I don’t recall being asked for more information on this end. Further, the ghost committee is doubly aware of my evidence that Anonymouse is not EC2. Gandalf and lackeys have been blinded by Gandalf’s Memorial weekend evidence to have ignored my repeated pleas to him that Anonymouse could be trusted. This blood is on Gandalf’s hands.

:( I am sad an innocent student was lynched. I am sad the ghost committee did not pay attention to my conclusions that I had given them. It is better not to dwell on the past. We must move on from this mistake. I still trust the ghost committee to come to correct conclusions once led to water.

[Ultimate Anyone?]

Well, I guess I'm not gonna win that stapler... sorry to see you go, Anonymouse.

As for my absence to the thread this past weekend, I was thinking that there wouldn't be that musch traffic on this thread, so I didn't make a huge effort to be here - I was back home at a class reunion, and then had to head back for my mom's birthday, so that severely limited my computer time.