Beneath the Planet of the Exam Committee

[Will Durant]

Will - The fear and ignorance and the yous guys led me directly to you. But I couldn't get enough of the ghosts to believe it.
I don't follow. You say "fear and ignorance" and "yous guys" led you to me, but you didn't post anything that said you suspected me because of either of these things, just political. :-?

[Leela]

Those two quotes are what led us to the political tie.

[Mulan]

Because I got to write the reasons since I'd been "on" to you since the beginning and I didn't know much about those reasons.

[Ebenezer Kohl]

Congrats GC on an awesome job! :notworth:

EK will you admit we needed them? :D
I was playing along with the GC. I was picking on those I thought could handle it. Leela offered to give up her stapler pick at one point and that floored me. I'm hoping the GC convinced her that I was full of bull and not to take what I post seriously. I was PMing good information to them... and holding back to get them riled up. I figured I never should do what was expected, lest someone give reason to my actions.

And we'll get around to Nori Parks after the Slayer is revealed. Anyone is welcome to discuss this as well as the security of the ghost forum.

[snafu]

Will - The fear and ignorance and the yous guys led me directly to you. But I couldn't get enough of the ghosts to believe it.
I don't follow. You say "fear and ignorance" and "yous guys" led you to me, but you didn't post anything that said you suspected me because of either of these things, just political. :-?

If you do a search on "fear and ignorance" you get a bunch of 2Pacian crap. Likewise if you do a search of "yous guys" you get a bunch of The Waiting Hurts posts. At first I thought the yous guys was an alternate alias of TWC. I later rules that out. The general idea for me was that EC2 was someone that was so familiar with political that when trying to hide their own language might use language from other political posters.

If you search on all posts containing "[quote="2Pac"" or "[quote="The Waiting Hurts"", guess who comes up!!!

[urysohn]

EK -- "shooting the bull" was an intentional turn of phrase, yes?

[Ebenezer Kohl]

EK -- "shooting the bull" was an intentional turn of phrase, yes?
Absolutely! :D

I didn't expect you to quote me "I am the slayer," but I wasn't unhappy at all with that. I reread my PM and understand how it came across.

[Will Durant]

Can you guys explain your strategy implied by these responses, assuming you knew we were full of crap?
My only explanation is that EC1 really was as dumb as the students made him out to be. I saw little point in that entire exchange.

[snafu]

Question for EK - Did you or did you not figure out a way to compromise the ghost forum. I'm thinking you did not fully compromise but did find a way to get glimses. I seem to remember some work-a-round that you worked out once upon a time when your entire company's IP was banned.

Question for WD - Did you try to frame Jadzia early in the game? At one point early in the game when EC1 and EC2 were still posting and Gandalf was baiting them to get them to post more, I was watching the login IDs to see who logged in/out around them.. I actually saw Jadzia logged in, Jadzia log out, EC2 log in, EC2 post, EC2 log out, Jadzia log back in. I was totally convinced at that point that Jadzia was EC2. I also had Will Durant as absolutely NOT EC2 at that point because he showed as loged in the entire time. Also at that point when I tried multiple sessions it wouldn't work from my work computer. Also at one point all of the EC2 posts were plus / minus 10 minutes of a Karma Police post and I was thinking KP was EC2. So Will, did you time your EC2 logins or postings to try and frame someone or were these just coincidences?

[Tim><]

Question for EK - Did you or did you not figure out a way to compromise the ghost forum. I'm thinking you did not fully compromise but did find a way to get glimses. I seem to remember some work-a-round that you worked out once upon a time when your entire company's IP was banned.

Question for WD - Did you try to frame Jadzia early in the game? At one point early in the game when EC1 and EC2 were still posting and Gandalf was baiting them to get them to post more, I was watching the login IDs to see who logged in/out around them.. I actually saw Jadzia logged in, Jadzia log out, EC2 log in, EC2 post, EC2 log out, Jadzia log back in. I was totally convinced at that point that Jadzia was EC2. I also had Will Durant as absolutely NOT EC2 at that point because he showed as loged in the entire time. Also at that point when I tried multiple sessions it wouldn't work from my work computer. Also at one point all of the EC2 posts were plus / minus 10 minutes of a Karma Police post and I was thinking KP was EC2. So Will, did you time your EC2 logins or postings to try and frame someone or were these just coincidences?

How many posts are not plus or minus 10 minutes from a KP post these days? :duh:

[cubedbee]

Can you guys explain your strategy implied by these responses, assuming you knew we were full of crap?
My only explanation is that EC1 really was as dumb as the students made him out to be. I saw little point in that entire exchange.
I'll agree with this assessment. For the first two PMs, I didn't even think of the possibility that KP could just be trying to trick us. For the second two, I was trying to do damage control so they wouldn't definitely know Will was EC when we failed to act. I didn't do such a great job. :duh:

[Will Durant]

Question for WD - Did you try to frame Jadzia early in the game? At one point early in the game when EC1 and EC2 were still posting and Gandalf was baiting them to get them to post more, I was watching the login IDs to see who logged in/out around them.. I actually saw Jadzia logged in, Jadzia log out, EC2 log in, EC2 post, EC2 log out, Jadzia log back in. I was totally convinced at that point that Jadzia was EC2.
A happy coincidence.

I also had Will Durant as absolutely NOT EC2 at that point because he showed as loged in the entire time. Also at that point when I tried multiple sessions it wouldn't work from my work computer.
Intentional. I kept my WD session logged in, opened up a second browser and logged on as EC2 on it.

Also at one point all of the EC2 posts were plus / minus 10 minutes of a Karma Police post and I was thinking KP was EC2. So Will, did you time your EC2 logins or postings to try and frame someone or were these just coincidences?
Another happy coincidence.

[All Clear]

Looks like I am 2 for 2- in both games I played, we won, and I wasn't lynched. Guess the GC didn't like my evidence against Traina, keeping her around the entire time also. I don't know if that helped them think I was innocent or not- guess I'll have to wait on that until the GC threads are up.

[Tim><]

Question for WD - Did you try to frame Jadzia early in the game? At one point early in the game when EC1 and EC2 were still posting and Gandalf was baiting them to get them to post more, I was watching the login IDs to see who logged in/out around them.. I actually saw Jadzia logged in, Jadzia log out, EC2 log in, EC2 post, EC2 log out, Jadzia log back in. I was totally convinced at that point that Jadzia was EC2.
A happy coincidence.

I also had Will Durant as absolutely NOT EC2 at that point because he showed as loged in the entire time. Also at that point when I tried multiple sessions it wouldn't work from my work computer.
Intentional. I kept my WD session logged in, opened up a second browser and logged on as EC2 on it.

Also at one point all of the EC2 posts were plus / minus 10 minutes of a Karma Police post and I was thinking KP was EC2. So Will, did you time your EC2 logins or postings to try and frame someone or were these just coincidences?
Another happy coincidence.

The third one didn't really work out to your favor, now did it? :wink:

[Ebenezer Kohl]

Question for EK - Did you or did you not figure out a way to compromise the ghost forum. I'm thinking you did not fully compromise but did find a way to get glimses. I seem to remember some work-a-round that you worked out once upon a time when your entire company's IP was banned.
Well snafu, I did. I’m not certain if I should explain or not; let me think about it over the weekend.

[Tim><]

Question for EK - Did you or did you not figure out a way to compromise the ghost forum. I'm thinking you did not fully compromise but did find a way to get glimses. I seem to remember some work-a-round that you worked out once upon a time when your entire company's IP was banned.
Well snafu, I did. I’m not certain if I should explain or not; let me think about it over the weekend.

Can you prove that you did? Perhaps you can name some of the threads started by me?

[4sigma]

Looks like I am 2 for 2- in both games I played, we won, and I wasn't lynched. Guess the GC didn't like my evidence against Traina, keeping her around the entire time also. I don't know if that helped them think I was innocent or not- guess I'll have to wait on that until the GC threads are up.
All Clear,

We liked your evidence at Traina. I actually thought that she was more likely EC than Will Durant.

However, with the EC tending to target females, we wanted to leave the maximum number of females alive, in order to prevent the EC from zeroing in on the slayer. I expected that if EC had another turn, Traina would have been a likely target.

[snafu]

Question for EK - Did you or did you not figure out a way to compromise the ghost forum. I'm thinking you did not fully compromise but did find a way to get glimses. I seem to remember some work-a-round that you worked out once upon a time when your entire company's IP was banned.
Well snafu, I did. I’m not certain if I should explain or not; let me think about it over the weekend.

Full compromise or only partial? I can search old posts pretty well and get the how part (I think).

[Ebenezer Kohl]

Can you prove that you did?
I was right everytime I mentioned knowledge of the ghost forum in this game.

[Will Durant]

If you search on all posts containing "[quote="2Pac"" or "[quote="The Waiting Hurts"", guess who comes up!!!
I don't know about TWH and "yous guys." It was not intentional, but maybe I was subconsciously quoting him. However, the 2pac connection to "fear and ignorance" is completely spurious. I was specifically using the phrase "Fear and ignorance. Ignorance and fear." from the game "Paranoia." Nothing more, nothing less. Another example of reaching the right conclusion with erroneous data.

[Klaymen]

C) Ultimately, the fact that you guys did not hit Anonymouse implicated you. Had you hit her and stopped, we might have believed that you no longer belived me. Just a thought.

I am not a her. Despite the fact that my avatar shows a man in a red checked gingham dress with an penguin puppet in his hand.

[Ebenezer Kohl]

Full compromise or only partial?
Partial.

[cubedbee]

However, with the EC tending to target females, we wanted to leave the maximum number of females alive, in order to prevent the EC from zeroing in on the slayer.

So either EK isn't the slayer after all, or he's been a woman all this time. Interesting possibilites...

[snafu]

If you search on all posts containing "[quote="2Pac"" or "[quote="The Waiting Hurts"", guess who comes up!!!
I don't know about TWH and "yous guys." It was not intentional, but maybe I was subconsciously quoting him. However, the 2pac connection to "fear and ignorance" is completely spurious. I was specifically using the phrase "Fear and ignorance. Ignorance and fear." from the game "Paranoia." Nothing more, nothing less. Another example of reaching the right conclusion with erroneous data.

Ahhh, but the hypothesis was someone soooo familiar with political that they would use language from there when trying to alter their behavior. Where did the idea of Paranoia trick come from? What led you to choose that phrase for setting a trap? I never said the choice was intentional, just that it was based on such a familiarity. I also considered for a while that it was actually an attempt to frame you.

[snafu]

Full compromise or only partial?
Partial.

I believe you.

In order to prove to KP (and thus make me right from when I said you had at least partially compromised) please post a quote from anywhere in the ghost forum.

[Asynchronous]

(1) BC - Asynch's "Paranoia" analysis was brilliant ... if a little belated. The phrase "fear and ignorance" was planted as deliberate disinformation as I believed that it would point away from both me and B^3. This turned out to be a definite mistake on my part as I failed to consider that it might point to BC. Although I believe BC has never actually played the game. So BC was correctly lynched for IMO completely incorrect reasons.


I don't know about the first part, but it wasn't that belated. I had originally sent it to 4sigma & the slayer on June 2nd. Unfortunately, I didn't know anyone IRL well enough to narrow it any further than "an older, male player who is or was a D&D / Paranoia gamer."

I really had nothing more than a hunch to attach it to BC (and you're telling me I was wrong, anyway, correct?). I was really hoping that someone else would know who would be likely to know the quote. 4sigma and I started a Paranoia tangent on another thread (http://actuary.ca/phpBB/viewtopic.php?p=559482&highlight=paranoia#559482) and you'll notice that BC posted right below us without mention, which should have told us that he either had no idea what we were talking about or we hit too close to home and he knew what we were up to. Will Durant should have been on the short list I gave when I posted the theory live, in-thread since he met my rough criteria, but I missed him. Fortunately enough, since it was his response to the post that drew my suspicion.

[BC]

No, I have never played Paranoia. I probably would have avoided that thread COMPLETELY if I had and recognized the quote and had been EC2.

[Traina]

Looks like I am 2 for 2- in both games I played, we won, and I wasn't lynched. Guess the GC didn't like my evidence against Traina, keeping her around the entire time also. I don't know if that helped them think I was innocent or not- guess I'll have to wait on that until the GC threads are up.
All Clear,

We liked your evidence at Traina. I actually thought that she was more likely EC than Will Durant.

However, with the EC tending to target females, we wanted to leave the maximum number of females alive, in order to prevent the EC from zeroing in on the slayer. I expected that if EC had another turn, Traina would have been a likely target.

Hey!!!! I've been innocent all along. I couldn't understand why All Clear was so fixated with me.

[Rocky]

Looks like I am 2 for 2- in both games I played, we won, and I wasn't lynched. Guess the GC didn't like my evidence against Traina, keeping her around the entire time also. I don't know if that helped them think I was innocent or not- guess I'll have to wait on that until the GC threads are up.
All Clear,

We liked your evidence at Traina. I actually thought that she was more likely EC than Will Durant.

However, with the EC tending to target females, we wanted to leave the maximum number of females alive, in order to prevent the EC from zeroing in on the slayer. I expected that if EC had another turn, Traina would have been a likely target.

Hey!!!! I've been innocent all along. I couldn't understand why All Clear was so fixated with me.


It's the avatar :o :wink:

[Traina]

:D :kiss:

[4sigma]

(1) BC - Asynch's "Paranoia" analysis was brilliant ... if a little belated. The phrase "fear and ignorance" was planted as deliberate disinformation as I believed that it would point away from both me and B^3. This turned out to be a definite mistake on my part as I failed to consider that it might point to BC. Although I believe BC has never actually played the game. So BC was correctly lynched for IMO completely incorrect reasons.


I don't know about the first part, but it wasn't that belated. I had originally sent it to 4sigma & the slayer on June 2nd. Unfortunately, I didn't know anyone IRL well enough to narrow it any further than "an older, male player who is or was a D&D / Paranoia gamer."

I really had nothing more than a hunch to attach it to BC (and you're telling me I was wrong, anyway, correct?). I was really hoping that someone else would know who would be likely to know the quote. 4sigma and I started a Paranoia tangent on another thread (http://actuary.ca/phpBB/viewtopic.php?p=559482&highlight=paranoia#559482) and you'll notice that BC posted right below us without mention, which should have told us that he either had no idea what we were talking about or we hit too close to home and he knew what we were up to. Will Durant should have been on the short list I gave when I posted the theory live, in-thread since he met my rough criteria, but I missed him. Fortunately enough, since it was his response to the post that drew my suspicion.

I should mention that Asynch and I decided very early in the game to trust each other. Asynch made a little-noticed offer to be lynched on page 8, which was quickly overshadowed by Avi's high-profile nomination of Gandalf to lead the GF. Asynch came up with the paranoia insight into EC2, and together we conspired to :capn: the "anything other than cards or dice" thread to become a Paranoia thread, in order to see if anyone else from the EC game would bite. Unfortunately, Werewolf got ensnared as an innocent student. It was an unfortunate coincidence for BC that he fit the gamer profile so well, since at the time he posted, he apparently had no idea that he was EC.

WD, I think you are correct that we lynched BC for incorrect reasons. We were trying to hit EC2. There was really very little to go on regarding the ID of the sleeper. The probability that BC was the sleeper was the same as it was for anyone else. Or actually, it was 0 or 1, wasn't it, BC?

[BC]

Or actually, it was 0 or 1, wasn't it, BC?

Go ahead, laugh it up. You've earned it. :wink:

[Will Durant]

Ahhh, but the hypothesis was someone soooo familiar with political that they would use language from there when trying to alter their behavior. Where did the idea of Paranoia trick come from? What led you to choose that phrase for setting a trap? I never said the choice was intentional, just that it was based on such a familiarity.
The choice of words "fear and ignorance" had nothing at all to do with political. My thinking was that this EC game was a lot like Paranoia. I thought of the game's other catchphrase first -- "Trust no one." That made me think of "Fear and ignorance. Ignorance and fear." Before posting that, I gave some thought to whether someone could pin that phrase on me.

I was in the right age group, but I had never given any indication of being a gamer in the RF, and I figured nobody would peg a Hispanic as fitting the stereotype of an avid RPG gamer. I figured CubedBee would probably not be suspected either (don't know if that's why the slayer hit him -- how about Slayer? what were your reasons?). My only error was failing to consider BC. In hindsight, posting that was a big error which cost BC his life and probably cost us the game.

[BC]

And as luck would have it, I had a really bad sinus infection last week (I'm still spitting up yellow and the antibiotics are almost gone) so I wasn't in a frame of mind where I COULD put up a vigorous defense, since I was having trouble stringing two consecutive thoughts together.

Not making excuses, and I was probably fried the moment Async put that post together, but I wish I'd been healthier to give my defense a better shot.

[Will Durant]

No, I have never played Paranoia. I probably would have avoided that thread COMPLETELY if I had and recognized the quote and had been EC2.
I did. Even though there was a comment I wanted to make there. I have made it now.

[BC]

And while it's easy to rail against the students and the GC for getting the right person for the wrong reasons, I have to admit I had my own gaff along these lines.

I thought that the EC had killed 4Sigma because they were concerned about the mathematical model and him working with me on it. Shortly before I was "awakened", I realized that it would have made a lot more sense to kill ME than someone who could set up a ghost forum. So I concluded there was a strong chance that I was the sleeper. I even hinted at this in a PM to 4Sigma before I was awakened.

While it turned out that I was indeed the sleeper, killing 4Sigma apparently had nothing to do with the model...

[Will Durant]

One last question comes to mind.

To EK -- why were you convinced I was innocent (or were you)?

Oh, actually, one more . . .

Slayer, where the hell are you? Show yourself!

[EC_Slayer]

One last question comes to mind.

To EK -- why were you convinced I was innocent (or were you)?

Oh, actually, one more . . .

Slayer, where the hell are you? Show yourself!

HELLO THERE, WILL DURANT. :D :wink:

[4sigma]

And while it's easy to rail against the students and the GC for getting the right person for the wrong reasons...

I still believe we got Will Durant for the right reasons. Again, I was advocating protecting him for a long time, due to the innocent query he sent Gandalf about lynching Oblomov, and CubedBee's vote for him on page 42.

My suspicions turned late in the game, when EC had gone 5 rounds without biting on the KP hoax, and when Will attempted to deflect momentum from BC. I think that these are the right reasons for suspecting Will and they were why I switched from protecting him to urging his death.

Thanks again to Asynch for the tip on Will Durant's vote in Round 8, and to KP for his extremely long maintenance of his charade. Without these, Will Durant would probably still be alive.

[EC2]

Again, I was advocating protecting him for a long time, due to the innocent query he sent Gandalf about lynching Oblomov, and CubedBee's vote for him on page 42.
We EC are very sneaky. You may have gotten CubedBee, BC and Will, but the EC lives on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :burn:

[Mulan]

Again, I was advocating protecting him for a long time, due to the innocent query he sent Gandalf about lynching Oblomov, and CubedBee's vote for him on page 42.
We EC are very sneaky. You may have gotten CubedBee, BC and Will, but the EC lives on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :burn:yeah right... :roll:

[Will Durant]

when EC had gone 5 rounds without biting on the KP hoax
I don't follow why this points to me. I understand why defending BC points to me, and I knew it would, but I took a calculated risk figuring the EC chance of winning was ~0% if BC died that early. But I don't understand the second piece of "evidence."

[Werewolf]

I should mention that Asynch and I decided very early in the game to trust each other. Asynch made a little-noticed offer to be lynched on page 8, which was quickly overshadowed by Avi's high-profile nomination of Gandalf to lead the GF. Asynch came up with the paranoia insight into EC2, and together we conspired to :capn: the "anything other than cards or dice" thread to become a Paranoia thread, in order to see if anyone else from the EC game would bite. Unfortunately, Werewolf got ensnared as an innocent student.

As I mentioned on the ghost forum, the sad thing is, despite being very familiar with Paranoia, I didn't recognize the ignorance and fear quote.

Had Will used something like Trust No One, I would have recognized it, though whether I would have resisted making that post-count-padding quip, I don't know.

[Ebenezer Kohl]

To EK -- why were you convinced I was innocent (or were you)?

Will Durant = EC2
…
EC2 is a grammarian.I was dead set on lynching you early, but Gandalf kept making excuses for you. The more he did so and went after Anonymouse, who I seriously thought was innocent, the more I thought you two were in cahoots as EC. Then cubedbee lists you and Gandalf as his stapler pick, which I thought was the winning pick. I couldn’t vote Gandalf prior to cubedbee for reasons yet to be explained. Then Gandalf gets whacked by the EC and I begin to think maybe I was wrong about you. Then cubedbee gets killed by the slayer, which may have been luck on my part, so then I no longer suspect you. You then help me track down the grammarian, Avi, which made you less likely in my eyes. I was completely duped! Here is a PM I then send to the GC:I note the proper grammar skills used in the PM and immediately think Will Durant.

[snafu]

To EK -- why were you convinced I was innocent (or were you)?

Will Durant = EC2
…
EC2 is a grammarian.I was dead set on lynching you early, but Gandalf kept making excuses for you. The more he did so and went after Anonymouse, who I seriously thought was innocent, the more I thought you two were in cahoots as EC. Then cubedbee lists you and Gandalf as his stapler pick, which I thought was the winning pick. I couldn’t vote Gandalf prior to cubedbee for reasons yet to be explained. Then Gandalf gets whacked by the EC and I begin to think maybe I was wrong about you. Then cubedbee gets killed by the slayer, which may have been luck on my part, so then I no longer suspect you. You then help me track down the grammarian, Avi, which made you less likely in my eyes. I was completely duped! Here is a PM I then send to the GC:I note the proper grammar skills used in the PM and immediately think Will Durant.

Yes, and thank you EK for helping me win the stapler. The slayer was all set to take out WD and you sent evidence helping to clear will for the round. So slayer takes out UA? instead. Then I managed to swing the pendulum back to Will for a student hit this round. Whoooo Hoooooo!!!!!!

[snafu]

To EC - Why the heck didn't you ever knock off EK? Did you think he might be the slayer and arguing with the GF to throw you off?

[4sigma]

when EC had gone 5 rounds without biting on the KP hoax
I don't follow why this points to me. I understand why defending BC points to me, and I knew it would, but I took a calculated risk figuring the EC chance of winning was ~0% if BC died that early. But I don't understand the second piece of "evidence."

Here's the theory:

1) KP tells EC that he's not sure who the slayer is, but it appears likely to be Will or Anon.
2) The ghosts do a fairly convincing expulsion of KP.
3) EC PMs back that they're sorry KP got in trouble, and that EC will wait until one EC dies before acting on this info.
4) CubedBee is slain by the slayer in round 4.
5) EC does not act on the info KP fed them for round 5/6/7/8/9.

It seemed that EC would at least give SOME credibility to the info KP gave them. But instead, they take 5 shots at the slayer and none of them are the names KP gave them. Why?

The argument is something of a conditional probability argument. If EC was Will or A-mouse, they would definitely have seen through the hoax, and ignored it. If EC were not Will or A-mouse, they might or might not have seen through the hoax. There is at least a respectable chance that they would have tried hitting Will or A-mouse to see if they were the slayer.

[EC_Slayer]

To EK -- why were you convinced I was innocent (or were you)?

Will Durant = EC2
…
EC2 is a grammarian.I was dead set on lynching you early, but Gandalf kept making excuses for you. The more he did so and went after Anonymouse, who I seriously thought was innocent, the more I thought you two were in cahoots as EC. Then cubedbee lists you and Gandalf as his stapler pick, which I thought was the winning pick. I couldn’t vote Gandalf prior to cubedbee for reasons yet to be explained. Then Gandalf gets whacked by the EC and I begin to think maybe I was wrong about you. Then cubedbee gets killed by the slayer, which may have been luck on my part, so then I no longer suspect you. You then help me track down the grammarian, Avi, which made you less likely in my eyes. I was completely duped! Here is a PM I then send to the GC:I note the proper grammar skills used in the PM and immediately think Will Durant.

Yes, and thank you EK for helping me win the stapler. The slayer was all set to take out WD and you sent evidence helping to clear will for the round. So slayer takes out UA? instead. Then I managed to swing the pendulum back to Will for a student hit this round. Whoooo Hoooooo!!!!!!


Yes, and thank you EK for helping me win the stapler. The slayer was all set to take out WD and you sent evidence helping to clear will for the round. So slayer takes out UA? instead. Then I managed to swing the pendulum back to Will for a student hit this round. Whoooo Hoooooo!!

GGRRRRR....

[4sigma]

quote="EK to GC on Mon Jun 21, 2004 where I get Avi lynched"]I note the proper grammar skills used in the PM and immediately think Will Durant. But what about CubedBee's voting on Page 42? :)

Seriously, Will Durant and BC both had me fooled for much of the game. I was deterring efforts to lynch either of them up until Round 8 for BC and Round 9 for Will.

[Mulan]

I guess I'm the stapler runner up, though I chose Will Durant early on (at random) along with Cho Da.

I'm curious if the EC still worked together after Cubedbee and BC were killed.

I'm confused how killing me to quiet down the "Kill WILL" would have been advantageous. I had no real reasoning until I became a ghost and learned about the hoax. Most living students were not paying any attention to me whatsoever. I had way more of a voice as a ghost.

Also, BC if you thought you might rise as the sleeper, you should have said something LOUD, man... How funny that would have been.

[Will Durant]

You then help me track down the grammarian, Avi, which made you less likely in my eyes.
I must say, I AM particularly proud of this play. Down to the fact that I included myself as a candidate grammarian in the PM to you when we were discussing this. I knew that failing to acknowledge such a well-known fact as my being a card-carrying member of the Grammar Police would have brought immediate unwanted attention my way.

[Gandalf]

Yes, and thank you EK for helping me win the stapler. The slayer was all set to take out WD and you sent evidence helping to clear will for the round. So slayer takes out UA? instead. Then I managed to swing the pendulum back to Will for a student hit this round. Whoooo Hoooooo!!

GGRRRRR....
I'm sure no one on the Ghost Council would object to your staking EK now. Snafu and I felt like :judge: ing him more than we did.

[snafu]

Yes, and thank you EK for helping me win the stapler. The slayer was all set to take out WD and you sent evidence helping to clear will for the round. So slayer takes out UA? instead. Then I managed to swing the pendulum back to Will for a student hit this round. Whoooo Hoooooo!!

GGRRRRR....
I'm sure no one on the Ghost Council would object to your staking EK now. Snafu and I felt like :judge: ing him more than we did.

Yeah
Steal Cage Death Match (tm)
EK versus WD

Hey Rocky, do the announcement thing. Come on.

[cubedbee]

To EC - Why the heck didn't you ever knock off EK? Did you think he might be the slayer and arguing with the GF to throw you off?

In our private Ghost forum, I posted the following on June 28th. Of course, given that this was the first slightly intelligent thing I did/said in the entire game, I can see why they ignored me.

In fact, popular sentiment was well against EK. He was clearly the majorities first choice to lynch. Everyone seems to be getting sick of his non-stop bickering with the ghosts. Despite the arguments, the ghosts are protecting EK. It could be because they have reaosn to think he is innocent, and can tolerate him being an annoying pain in the ass. It could also be that EK is the slayer and the conflict with the GC is a ruse. The constant taunts and critisms could mask the fact that he is working with them. I don't think this is really that likely, but I don't think he can be eliminated as a possibility

[urysohn]

sorry about making you such an outcast. i should have been more discreet. i'm trying to decide if the ghost/gandalf outrage is authentic or part of a giant ruse. if it is the latter, i applaud you for organizing it. regardless, we won't be acting on your information until after one of us is dead and we can kill the slayer permanently.
This PM should have been made available. Maybe it was. The misspelling of "discreet" could have been a big tip. A quick search says it most likely would have fingered Gandalf, if he was still alive at the time, but either way there was some potentially important info in there.

[Gandalf]

You then help me track down the grammarian, Avi, which made you less likely in my eyes.
I must say, I AM particularly proud of this play. Down to the fact that I included myself as a candidate grammarian in the PM to you when we were discussing this. I knew that failing to acknowledge such a well-known fact as my being a card-carrying member of the Grammar Police would have brought immediate unwanted attention my way.
:judge:
EK, you mean WD helped you take out Avi? Somehow among all the other info we had in the ghost forum, I overlooked that clue.

I admit WD had me completely fooled early. Once I knew about the KP hoax, I knew this game wasn't going to end with both WD and an EC alive. Even at the end he was only #3 on my list, but there was a pretty big gap between #3 and the less likely ones.

[BC]

Yes, we had a forum too.

I would like to take this opportunity to thank Travis and to plug

The Math Underground

http://www.undergroundmath.com/phpBB/

For anyone interested in math problems and math discussions. It's a very young bulletin board.

[Butters]

Has the slayer revealed his/her identity yet? How about the original slayer that retired?

[Rocky]

Yeah
Steal Cage Death Match (tm)
EK versus WD

Hey Rocky, do the announcement thing. Come on.

If it wasn't for 4sigma and Gandalf, this could have been a thing of beauty...

The intro is ahow's gig...

WELCOME TO ESPN FIGHT NIGHT!!!

LET'S GET READY TO RUMBLE!!!

Your fighters are...

In the left corner, EEEEEEEEEBENEZER KOOOOOOOOOOHL!!!

In the right corner, WIIIIIIIIIILL DDDDDDDDUUUUUURANT!!!!

"Ok, guys, let's keep it clean. No hitting below the belt, and listen to my calls."

DING DING DING!!!

[Ebenezer Kohl]

I have been informed by Mr. Penguin that the slayer may take their allotted turn. What the heck? I thought the game is over. I’ve done my absolute best to survive including the creation of an Alliance and infiltrating the Ghost Forum but now I’m being informed the Slayer has it out for me for costing them the stapler and awarding it to snafu.

I tiptoe around the corner of my cubicle and throw my back against the wall. I inch closer and closer to the break room. Quietly and slowly I open the door and look in. Nobody. I casually walk and flinch as I forgot to check the corners. Nobody. I breathe deep and reach in the cookie jar as a man enters the break room behind me. I fall to my knees and plead for my life.

“Are you Ebenezer Kohl?”

“Yes.” I pee my pants.

“I have a package delivery for you.”

He hands me the box, which I don’t accept. Fearful of my current state, the man simply places the box on the table and leaves.

I’m no fool, this is obviously an attempt at my life, but I am interested in the contents of the box. It didn’t click or smell unusual, so I slowly lift… an authentic MLB Craig Biggio jersey. Wow!!! This must be a present from the Slayer. All is forgiven. I’ll treasure this jersey as Craig Biggio has had an amazing career for my Houston Astros and may even be the first player to have an Astro jersey placed in the Hall of Fame. A tear of pride rolls down my cheek as I thought over all the amazing statistics Craig Biggio has amassed over his career… the hits… the doubles… oh… and the truly astonishing statistic… the HIT BY PITCH.

I turned around to see the cloaked figure enter the break room carrying a baseball in their hand. The Slayer throws like a girl but the ball hits my ear solid, the death shot, in baseball. I fall forward to the ground as my spirit departs. I glance longingly at the number on my back as my attention is broken by the gathering crowd.

“WELL?…”

“I am just an innocent student, like some of you. I tried my best to kill the EC, though my ways were not always the ways of the ghost committee. I AM NOT THE SLAYER!”

[Rocky]

:rofl: :tup: :toast: :guitarwo:

:wav:

Well worth the wait...

[BC]

Actually, it might be fun if the remaining students who are NOT the slayer post death scenes, so we find out by process of elimination...

[Butters]

I also want to thank Mr. P for a great game! :clap: :notworth: :toast:

I hope you rethink your leave from the RO. You should stick around and be a player in the next game!

[Klaymen]

As long as we're going to remain in suspense about the slayer, perhaps Mr. P would kindly update Page 1 to avoid confusion.

And it says that I was taken down by the slayer but in fact I was lynched by the students. :shake:

[EC_Slayer]

AND THE SLAYER HAS HIS/HER REVENGE, ALTHOUGH STILL NO STAPLER...

I PLAN ON POSTING THE PM'S I HAVE SENT AND RECEIVED THAT ARE GAME RELATED. IF ANYONE WOULD PREFER THEIR MESSAGES (TO OR FROM) NOT BE POSTED, PLEASE PM ME BEFORE SATURDAY NIGHT.

[Butters]

Has the slayer revealed his/her identity yet? How about the original slayer that retired?

The game is over. Why won't you confess?

[Will Durant]

1) KP tells EC that he's not sure who the slayer is, but it appears likely to be Will or Anon.
2) The ghosts do a fairly convincing expulsion of KP.
3) EC PMs back that they're sorry KP got in trouble, and that EC will wait until one EC dies before acting on this info.
4) CubedBee is slain by the slayer in round 4.
5) EC does not act on the info KP fed them for round 5/6/7/8/9.

There are flaws in this reasoning.

(2) The expulsion was not convincing in the least. I couldn't really say why I was not convinced, since I just went with my gut. However, the whole Gandalf accusing him of sending a PM was completely fishy. I did not for one micro-second believe that KP would BREAK THE RULES. Only now did I learn that there were two unrelated plots brewing. I did not believe Gandalf; therefore, I did not believe the expulsion.

(3) Have no idea why B^3 told KP that we would act on this info. Have even less of an idea as to why you would believe that B^3 would in fact do as he said. I guess it was just so obvious to me that the whole thing was fake that I can't see why anyone would behave otherwise. It's like when a co-worker stabs you in the back and lies to your face about it. The lie must be said for political reasons, but everyone knows it's a lie, an everyone acts accordingly.

It seemed that EC would at least give SOME credibility to the info KP gave them. But instead, they take 5 shots at the slayer and none of them are the names KP gave them. Why?

We (at least I) did not give ANY credibility to the info KP gave us. I acted accordingly.

The argument is something of a conditional probability argument. If EC was Will or A-mouse, they would definitely have seen through the hoax, and ignored it. If EC were not Will or A-mouse, they might or might not have seen through the hoax. There is at least a respectable chance that they would have tried hitting Will or A-mouse to see if they were the slayer.
Define "respectable." We had no independent reason to believe that Anonymouse was the Slayer. Therefore, we continued our strategy as if the additional piece of "information" did not exist. There was the further complication that we could not hit A without bringing suspicion on me, and we could not hit me because B^3 wanted to but couldn't convince me to go along and Mr. P required agreement on EC kills.

[Gandalf]

AND THE SLAYER HAS HIS/HER REVENGE, ALTHOUGH STILL NO STAPLER...

I PLAN ON POSTING THE PM'S I HAVE SENT AND RECEIVED THAT ARE GAME RELATED. IF ANYONE WOULD PREFER THEIR MESSAGES (TO OR FROM) NOT BE POSTED, PLEASE PM ME BEFORE MONDAY NIGHT.
I expect Glenn will move threads from the Ghost Forum to the Games Forum some time soon. There are lots of PMs there. If you remember which ghost you sent a PM too, they might be willing to edit them.

Individual ghosts may want to consider some revisionist history before their thoughts see the light of day.

[RedSoxFan]

EK, you played to survive. I played for a student win and for a red swingline.

The best part is when the ghosts were trying to decide in the last round. See the poll in the GF once it goes public. Suggestion options were PASS, Lynch WD Stake RSF, Lynch RSF Stake WD. I pointed out that option 3 would give you the stapler if RSF was EC2 but option 2 would let the slayer get the stapler. Bet you can guess how those stupid, useless, DEATH TO THE GHOST FORUM, ghosts voted, huh!

So, I'm curious, what made you suspicious of me? :)

[Rocky]

EK, you played to survive. I played for a student win and for a red swingline.

The best part is when the ghosts were trying to decide in the last round. See the poll in the GF once it goes public. Suggestion options were PASS, Lynch WD Stake RSF, Lynch RSF Stake WD. I pointed out that option 3 would give you the stapler if RSF was EC2 but option 2 would let the slayer get the stapler. Bet you can guess how those stupid, useless, DEATH TO THE GHOST FORUM, ghosts voted, huh!

So, I'm curious, what made you suspicious of me? :)

You'll see when the ghost forum is made public. You came up as a suspect primarily in the last round or 2.

[Mulan]

EK, you played to survive. I played for a student win and for a red swingline.

The best part is when the ghosts were trying to decide in the last round. See the poll in the GF once it goes public. Suggestion options were PASS, Lynch WD Stake RSF, Lynch RSF Stake WD. I pointed out that option 3 would give you the stapler if RSF was EC2 but option 2 would let the slayer get the stapler. Bet you can guess how those stupid, useless, DEATH TO THE GHOST FORUM, ghosts voted, huh!

So, I'm curious, what made you suspicious of me? :)

You'll see when the ghost forum is made public. You came up as a suspect primarily in the last round or 2.(we were actually just running out of people.... :D )

[Rocky]

Individual ghosts may want to consider some revisionist history before their thoughts see the light of day.

C'mon now...no editing. Let the students see what really went on behind the scenes. If nothing else, I know that a number of the posts will be some comic relief.


(although J.T. may want to take down her newest portfolio of pictures that she posted in the GF) :D

[Gandalf]

So, I'm curious, what made you suspicious of me? :)For one thing, we were were running out of likely suspects. We had some definite ideas that some particular people were innocent, and someone had to be EC. But there were some positive points as well.

[4sigma]

I agree that we mostly had just no positive points in favor of RSF. Likewise for Traina. Both were being rather quiet.

There were positive points we had observed or received regarding WD, EK, All Clear, Asynch, and jadzia.

[Gandalf]

sorry about making you such an outcast. i should have been more discreet. i'm trying to decide if the ghost/gandalf outrage is authentic or part of a giant ruse. if it is the latter, i applaud you for organizing it. regardless, we won't be acting on your information until after one of us is dead and we can kill the slayer permanently.
This PM should have been made available. Maybe it was. The misspelling of "discreet" could have been a big tip. A quick search says it most likely would have fingered Gandalf, if he was still alive at the time, but either way there was some potentially important info in there.
I am baffled by this theory, as "discreet" is spelled correctly. You filthy EC collaborator, trying to throw suspicion on me.

[Ebenezer Kohl]

Does anyone want to admit to being in an Alliance with me? I put out four offers and only snafu turned me down. Each of the three others also invited another to make Seven. Seven was then changed to Nori Parks when there was an unintentional post.

Also even those outside the Alliance, I was recruiting as fast as I could with form PMs and random offers. I thought the Alliance was in jeopardy of being revealed by snafu who only knew me, so I conspired with Anonymouse in the event of my death where I would be proven an innocent student that I would spread a rumor about him that would get him lynched. I was planning on naming him the mastermind of this Alliance without revealing any of the members, in fact, I was going to indicate 13 members existed. He accepted and that is how I knew he was not EC. I couldn't just tell the ghost committee this so I put in word with two of my ghost Alliance members.

No Alliance member was ever lynched. I and one other were nominated before this past round.

[urysohn]

sorry about making you such an outcast. i should have been more discreet. i'm trying to decide if the ghost/gandalf outrage is authentic or part of a giant ruse. if it is the latter, i applaud you for organizing it. regardless, we won't be acting on your information until after one of us is dead and we can kill the slayer permanently.
This PM should have been made available. Maybe it was. The misspelling of "discreet" could have been a big tip. A quick search says it most likely would have fingered Gandalf, if he was still alive at the time, but either way there was some potentially important info in there.
I am baffled by this theory, as "discreet" is spelled correctly. You filthy EC collaborator, trying to throw suspicion on me.
haha, well how about that. I always used "discrete" for both "distinct" and "circumspect". learn something new every day :lol:

[Will Durant]

I'm curious if the EC still worked together after Cubedbee and BC were killed.
Yup. To the very end, I was consulting BC and B^3, although the latter's participation fell off a lot in the last couple of rounds.

[Gandalf]

Does anyone want to admit to being in an Alliance with me?
:judge:
EK, why would anyone admit to have been a party to your secret alliance? How many innocent students died while you kept that alliance secret from the ghost forum? How many innocent students died after you revealed it? Once again, we see the damage you caused by keeping information to yourself.

Since you are giving the members the choice of admitting whether they were party to your alliance rather than outing* them, it will be interesting to see who acknowledges it.

* From the fact that you asked the question, I'm presuming that you aren't going to out anyone. I could be wrong about that. Perhaps your ability to keep names confidential is leakier than you said the ghost forum was.

[cubedbee]

I was part of the alliance.

[Ebenezer Kohl]

How many innocent students died while you kept that alliance secret from the ghost forum?Many. How many innocent students died after you revealed it?None.

There is no relation between revealing the Alliance and killing Will Durant. There is no evidence from revealing the Alliance that made any suspects less likely. Innocent students didn't die due to the Alliance. Much more evidence was obtained due to the Alliance. Other than one Alliance member convincing me, the Alliance didn't protect EC.

[Ultimate Anyone?]

Aw, heck, I'll fess up... I was part of EK's Alliance.

My main reason? I thought it would add a little extra fun to the game. And frankly, if EK hadn't come up with it, I would've been thoroughly bored with this game. EK's ranting was suddenly amusing once I knew what was going on (at least partially). Of course, we had no idea of if anyone was EC or the Slayer, but with the extra dialogue it helped with each of our individual hunches.

[Gandalf]

:judge:
EK, so UA? was in your alliance? Do you realize that when the ghost forum becomes public, it will be clear that the ghosts were going to strongly suggest WD be staked last round, until we got your PM, without explanation, saying we should not stake WD. Since the decision was close, your PM shifted the stake to plunge into an Alliance member. I personally did not especially mind, as UA? was one step higher on my list than WD. That gave the EC another shot, leading to the death of innocent student J.T., who was extremely low on my EC list.

Now we learn your defense of WD was based on some unnamed alliance member convincing you. I trust you were continuously reevaluating this conclusion, rather than sticking to false assumptions as you accused the ghost forum of doing. :shake:

[Gandalf]

:judge:
EK, I do appreciate your returning me to such powerful status. Refusing to accept the ghost recommendation to lynch WD unless you learned I was on board with it.

[Gandalf]

There is no relation between revealing the Alliance and killing Will Durant.
:judge:
EK, I agree, but you have not been pounded nearly enough for your overall behavior.

[Gandalf]

Yes, we had a forum too.
Will you ask Travis to make it public now?

[Ebenezer Kohl]

Do you realize that when the ghost forum becomes public, it will be clear that the ghosts were going to strongly suggest WD be staked last round, until we got your PM, without explanation, saying we should not stake WD.

Slay: Asynchronous or All Clear
Don't Slay: Will Durant (if GC recommends WD, then ask them to review cubedbee's voting record concerning WD)

You may pass this PM to the ghost committee.
Do you realize Gandalf, without your interference, the Alliance would have attempted to killed Will Durant out of the gate? Further, I was correct about Anonymouse from the beginning using the exact reasoning you thought convicted him. (I don't even count the false evidence you used against KP and the contrived evidence you used against Cho Da.) Gandalf 0, Ebenezer Kohl 1.

EK, I do appreciate your returning me to such powerful status. Refusing to accept the ghost recommendation to lynch WD unless you learned I was on board with it.
The ghost committee sprung that KP hoax on me. It took me a while to process that and finally recognized that as damning evidence. I’m surprised Will was your #3 knowing that evidence.

[Gandalf]

Do you realize Gandalf, without your interference, the Alliance would have attempted to killed Will Durant out of the gate?:judge:
EK, I guess you're right that I was the most powerful player in the game. Just one of me could talk your Alliance out of killing WD. Right.
Further, I was correct about Anonymouse from the beginning using the exact reasoning you thought convicted him.The ghost committee sprung that KP hoax on me. It took me a while to process that and finally recognized that as damning evidence.You do understand, do you not, that at the point the ghosts nominated Anonymouse, that the KP hoax evidence was as strong against Anonymouse as against WD? As I said, the ghosts were planning to take each of them out that round, until we received your PM.

You still don't know the Memorial Day weekend issue. I suspect the reasonging was indeed valid, and very damning against WD instead of Anonymouse, except that my memory was faulty about the exact time :duh: . In any case, WD did post on Sunday of Memorial Day weekend, the day we were sure EC2 was on-line.

[Ebenezer Kohl]

Here is my PM to Gandalf after he began broadcasting quite openly by PM that Will was not EC:Please provide your reason why Will Durant is not EC.

He protected ala Jables.
He posts for appearance.
Mulan would be the sleeper if EC.

Your protection of him is unreasonable.Gandalf’s response came on Friday, June 4, after the Memorial weekend. Gandalf quoted a PM sent to him by Will Durant and explained that Will couldn’t be EC.
...
You do understand, do you not, that at the point the ghosts nominated Anonymouse, that the KP hoax evidence was as strong against Anonymouse as against WD?Obviously.You still don't know the Memorial Day weekend issue.I knew before the ghost committee. :roll:

...

I welcome the rest of the students to the type of back and forth between Gandalf and me that the Alliance had to put up with on a routine basis until Gandalf’s death by way of the EC.
:shake:

[Gandalf]

Further, I was correct about Anonymouse from the beginning using the exact reasoning you thought convicted him.The ghost committee sprung that KP hoax on me. It took me a while to process that and finally recognized that as damning evidence.You do understand, do you not, that at the point the ghosts nominated Anonymouse, that the KP hoax evidence was as strong against Anonymouse as against WD? As I said, the ghosts were planning to take each of them out that round, until we received your PM.
Obviously.
:judge:
EK, if the KP evidence against WD was damning, and equally strong against Anonymouse, then how can you say you thought he was innocent from the same reasoning I thought convicted him? The reasons I originally suggested lynching him were long discarded before he was lynched. And I never suggested that early reasoning strongly suggested he was EC, just that he was a very reasonable lynch candidate at that stage. His ultimate lynching was extremely heavily influenced by the KP situation.

You still don't know the Memorial Day weekend issue.I knew before the ghost committee. :roll:
:judge:
EK, that is preposterous. I never told you. I told only slayer and ghosts. I can't believe slayer told you. Ghosts couldn't have told you before they knew. That leaves open only that EC2 told you, possible but unlikely. And if he did, you should really be pounded for not letting the ghosts know. That could have saved many innocent students.
By now you undoubtedly have guessed.

[Ebenezer Kohl]

The reasons I originally suggested lynching him were long discarded before he was lynched. And I never suggested that early reasoning strongly suggested he was EC, just that he was a very reasonable lynch candidate at that stage.
You gave reasons before your death, which you knew to be false, to have the Alliance lynch Anonymouse. I know you were aware of his bridge play.

EK, that is preposterous.
2) Regarding posting patterns, the ghosts have strong indications that EC2 was active over the memorial day weekend (http://actuary.ca/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=30397&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=2593). Both Avi and Werewolf were active during this period when many people were not.

In addition, one particular post timing occurs on page 6 of the thread. This is when Mr. P. announces that EC has chosen their first victim. This suggests that both EC were on the forum just prior to this. Avi posts on the thread just prior to this announcement. While this does not at all prove that he was EC, it does prove that he was active at a time when EC was known to be active, and that many players were not.2 is from Gandalf and me (http://actuary.ca/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=30397&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=2709)
It is not preposterous. I knew.

Gandalf, I have accepted being wrong about Will Durant after the KP hoax was brought to my attention. Without that information, I would have stuck by Will to the end. Why can’t you state your mistakes? I am tired of arguing with you. I’ve been arguing with you all game. Let it go and move on.

The stupid stick is something personal between snafu and me. It is misplaced when you do it.

[Gandalf]

EK, you are bananas. Of course I have been wrong about many suspects, as have most of us. But your personal accusations are totally off base.

False evidence about Anonymouse? Baloney. Yes, I was aware of his bridge activities. So what? That in no way meant he could not have posted in the game thread had he wanted. That argument against him was that, in the absence of much to go on, it is good strategy to get those who are quiet. A philosophy I maintained throughout this game and the last game. I said Anonymouse was the quietest, not the most likely to be EC.

You said "I was correct about Anonymouse from the beginning using the exact reasoning you thought convicted him." Nonsense. You were right about Anonymouse (as indeed most people who think any particular player is innocent turn out to be right). The reasoning that convinced you he was innocent did not convince me he was innocent, but it certainly was not why I thought he was EC.

False evidence about KP? Baloney. KP was innocent, but the reasons I gave for suspecting him were reasonable.

Contrived evidence about Cho Da? Baloney. It was observations about public behavior. Interpretation of public posts is subjective. Most people who are suspected because of public posts are indeed innocent. That does not mean it was wrong to suspect them.

You knew about the Memorial Day weekend evidence before the ghosts? Baloney, baloney, and more baloney. You might have evidence that EC2 was active on Memorial Day weekend that you did not share with the ghosts. You said you were aware of the Memorial Day weekend evidence the ghosts were considering before the ghosts. This is baloney.

I was only neutral about cubedbee before his death.
I was fairly sure BC was not EC2; neutral about the possibility he was the sleeper.
I was not at all sure WD was EC at the point he was lynched, but was sure that if we had only 3 turns left (which might have been the case) he should be one of the 3.

[Jables]

Yoda has changed his name...trying to distance yourself from Obi-Wan Kenobi? Very suspicious! ;)



D'oh! :shake:

[Ebenezer Kohl]

Mr. Penguin,
urysohn has called into question the reliability of ghosts and active students when identifying the slayer. Will you please confirm officially the identity of the EC_Slayer, both current and original?

[Rocky]

Baloney

It's bologna...or first name "O-S-C-A-R", second name "M-A-Y-E-R"... :D

[Mr. Penguin]

Mr. Penguin,
urysohn has called into question the reliability of ghosts and active students when identifying the slayer. Will you please confirm officially the identity of the EC_Slayer, both current and original?

The identity of the second slayer is confirmed elsewhere. For non-game reasons, I will neither confirm or deny the original slayer's ID.

[4sigma]

Mr. Penguin,
urysohn has called into question the reliability of ghosts and active students when identifying the slayer. Will you please confirm officially the identity of the EC_Slayer, both current and original?What do you expect from an EC collaborator? He's just trying to get the ghosts and the students to distrust each other, I expect. Not that we're about to let that happen, right?

[Ebenezer Kohl]

:tfh: Paranoia gets the better of me sometimes, Siggy.

I had a great deal of fun with you in this game. I hope that you never took my junk personally. I singled you out because it was easy and I thought you would take it with humor.

:D

[Klaymen]

The other thread notes that the slayer in question was All Clear

[4sigma]

:tfh: Paranoia gets the better of me sometimes, Siggy.

I had a great deal of fun with you in this game. I hope that you never took my junk personally. I singled you out because it was easy and I thought you would take it with humor.

:D

Well, it's true that I took it with humor for the most part. I confess to being a bit eager for your death around Round 4 / Round 5, though the reason was not entirely due to your smack talk. Perhaps I had some fun at your expense as well.

I'm still putting the story together properly, and will post it in the "confessions" thread.

[EC_Slayer]

http://actuary.ca/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=34214

[Tim><]

Surely there is something about this game that has yet to be beaten to death. Have we discussed the choice of Oblomov recently?

[Tim><]

Incidentally, I am instituting dead thread rules on this thread.

[Avi]

Won't work :shake:

[Sunny]

So snafu wins the stapler?! :D I'll never hear the end of it!

Yeah, but snafu is a big looser 'cause I died and you didn't ;)
:moon2: :D

:lol:

[Tim><]

I am now killing this thread.

[BC]

Actually, that's my job. I'm EC :D

[Rocky]

Actually, that's my job. I'm EC :D

Ahhhhh, go back to sleep... :wink:

[Tim><]

Ok. Are you quite through?

[Rocky]

not quite...


Tim, Tim, Timmmmmmaaayyyy...

Ok, now I'm quite through. :wink:

[Tim><]

Die!

[Sunny]

:D

[BC]

Oh, for pity's sake, are we still trying to kill this thread?

[Sunny]

:furious:

[BC]

Reminds you of the look on your face just before you died :D

[Sunny]

:evil:

[Rocky]

Reminds you of the look on your face just before you died :D

This goes for dumb, dumber, and dumberer from all the EC victims!

http://instagiber.net/smiliesdotcom/contrib/geno/usuck.gif

[Sunny]

:viola:

[Tim><]

Loosers.

[Sunny]

:argue:

[Tim><]

:viola:

[BC]

Hey, Rocky, where were you today at lunchtime? We needed you, man!

[Will Durant]

:burn:

Face it, this thread is never going to die. It's reached critical mass where it just continues with a life of its own (like the atheist thread).

[4sigma]

If this thread keeps going, I will have to post another real estate request....

You have been warned. :P

[Tim><]

Die!

[Butters]

On to another page!

[Sunny]

:blah:

[Tim><]

Well, if this thread doesn't die, I will claim the 5,000th post. None of you will ever hear the end of it. So think about that before you respond.

[Sunny]

:blah:

[Will Durant]

:blah:
Ladies and Gentlemen . . .
Sunny with her rendition of 90% of her posts.
Let's hear if for Sunny . . .

Will "Rude & Hostile" Durant

[Tim><]

The next person to post here is a total looser.

[cubedbee]

Why is this thread still being posted to?

[Ebenezer Kohl]

Maybe there can be sole survivor here? I recommend the remaining students vote All Clear. ;)

[Tim><]

I agree. Ok. No more posting to this thread.

[cubedbee]

A'ight.

[Tim><]

Incidentally, I am instituting dead thread rules on this thread.

[cubedbee]

Incidentally, I am instituting dead thread rules on this thread.Doesn't Mr. P have to authorize any and all changes to the rules?

[Tim><]

No.

[Sunny]

Will Durant DIE!!! DIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:D

While I'm at the post padding..

3500

and DEATH TO THE EC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Will Durant]

DEATH TO THE EC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We're already dead. Which means you can NEVER get rid of us.

:burn:

[Kenshiro]

Can we ban Karma Police from this thread for sending Gandalf that pm while he was a ghost now?

[Mulan]

I'm the mastermind BEHIND the 3 EC and I'm ALL POWERFUL. They did not move unless I told them to. We are undefeatable, we are pure evil, there is rot where our hearts should be.... You WILL NOT PREVAIL against us.... 8-)

[Will Durant]

I'm the mastermind BEHIND the 3 EC and I'm ALL POWERFUL. They did not move unless I told them to. We are undefeatable, we are pure evil, there is rot where our hearts should be.... You WILL NOT PREVAIL against us.... 8-)
:notworth:

[EC Zombie]
What are your instructions, all-powerful one?
[/EC Zombie]

[Tim><]

Can we ban Karma Police from this thread for sending Gandalf that pm while he was a ghost now?

:lol: You do know that never happened, right?

[Sunny]

:sleep2:

[Tim><]

:duh:

[BC]

This thread STILL isn't dead?

[Avi]

Negatory.

[4sigma]

Ok, who wants to be my real estate agent now?

We need some ghostly accomodations in the Midwest. The following locations should be closely inspected:

Schaumburg, IL: 60173-2226
Indianapolis, IN: 46205-3887
Cedar Rapids, IA: 52214-0643
Wichita, KS: 66135-2144
Lexington, KY: 40317-6624
Owensboro, KY: 42338-8149

Our first choice would be to haunt the Illinois location, assuming that there is a suitable building. I hear there are some particularly fine ones on Martingale Road.

[BC]

I suppose I should look these up to see if any of them refer to actual players...

[Tim><]

Try Anonymouse or Will Durant.

[Ebenezer Kohl]

Try Anonymouse or Will Durant.
Who coincidentally were the two players that I was protecting.

The first thing I learned from Legends is that most coincidences in game play are simply coincidences that only feel contrived.

[Tim><]

Well, we shall avenge ourselves tonight.

[4sigma]

Oh yeah. Nicely avenged. :duh:

Where were you, Tim&gt;&lt; ?

[BC]

Okay, why are we discussing survivor in this thread, and why isn't this thread dead yet?

[4sigma]

I believe that Tim&gt;&lt; :capn: this thread to Survivor when we should have been discussing the epilogue of the EC game. Shame on you, Tim&gt;&lt;!

Did everyone read the latest chapter of "confessions of a murderous slayer" ? It's interesting that he was planning to send his identity to the ghosts just at the same time as we smoked him out.

[Ebenezer Kohl]

Did everyone read the latest chapter of "confessions of a murderous slayer" ? It's interesting that he was planning to send his identity to the ghosts just at the same time as we smoked him out.
Yes, it is an interesting coincidence. :D

[Tim><]

:viola: N-I-C-E T-R-Y that's the way you spell nice try, nice try, nice try! :viola:

[Ebenezer Kohl]

:o I'm surprised that I almost had the kill. I'm not really even trying. :o

[Avi]

:shake:

[Tim><]

:viola:

[Will Durant]

:o I'm surprised that I almost had the kill. I'm not really even trying. :o
"Almost" only counts in horseshoes, hand grenades and nuclear weapons.

[Tim><]

True.

[Ebenezer Kohl]

:o I'm surprised that I almost had the kill. I'm not really even trying. :o
"Almost" only counts in horseshoes, hand grenades and nuclear weapons.
I was always taught to put a comma before an "and" with lists of three or more. I have heard it being taught without as well. In the end it doesn't matter either way.

[Tim><]

True true.

[Werewolf]

True true.

Don't you mean "True, true?" :D

[Will Durant]

"Almost" only counts in horseshoes, hand grenades and nuclear weapons.
I was always taught to put a comma before an "and" with lists of three or more. I have heard it being taught without as well. In the end it doesn't matter either way.
If you're going to play the part of the grammar police, it's best if you have an actual error to point out.

Otherwise it's just :sleep2:

[Tim><]

True true.

Don't you mean "True, true?" :DThe first true is an adverb, while the second true is an adjective. :mona:

[Mulan]

And STAY dead!

[cubedbee]

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[Tim><]

Loosers.

[Will Durant]

I think we need the Slayer for this thread. The rest of us just seem to be pi$$ing it off.

[Mulan]

Kill WILL!!

[Avi]

:o I'm surprised that I almost had the kill. I'm not really even trying. :o
"Almost" only counts in horseshoes, hand grenades and nuclear weapons.

To preserve the poignant, yet pointed, alliteration, I postulate that the phrase properly should be posited and posted as:

"Almost" only counts in horseshoes, hand grenades, and hydrogen bombs.

Please perceive the predicatbly proper positioning of punctuation at the posterior of the pithy phrase.

[Tim><]

I see.

[Avi]

Good. Then there is hope for you yet, however slim that may be.

[Tim><]

You are full of bits of wisdom or at least bits of somthing.

[Avi]

Fullness of the whole is acheived through fullness of the parts.

Synergy needs energy.

What is within works well with what is without.

What is the sound of?

[Tim><]

One hand clapping?

[Avi]

No. No!

The Sound OF.

Not the sond of OF, not the sound of anything! The sound of!

:shake:

Back to undergraduate Zen and the Art of Motercycle Post padding for you, grasshopper.

[Tim><]

Why is the sound of?

[Avi]

Why is the sound of?Why ask why?

Instead ask how, or what. Asking why merely circumvents the issue. 'tis not the why that matters, rather the what, the wherefor, the who, the clash, and the beatles.

Why merely pushes the question into the realm of the meta-question and then the meta-meta- and so on. The cause was. The cause is. The cause will be. There are infinitudes of causes on an infinity of levels and meta levels.

One must understand the What, the How, the Who, the Wherefore, the Whatever, and the Whatchamacallit before one breaches the vast and crowded desolation of the Why.

And if that does not suffice to answer, young grasshopper, then be satisfied with "Why not?"

[Tim><]

3-6 filler words. Go on.

[Avi]

You are finally beginning to recognize your ignorance. Good, very good.

Recognizing ones ignorance is the first step in recognizing ones intellect.

Although, there is much more ignorance for you to recognize, you begin to trod the path that may lead you to enlightenment.

As it is said:

Enlightenment arrives at the moment of despair when the bark of reason is dashed against the shoals of insanity by the winds of foolishness on the sea of ignorance.

[Tim><]

3-6 filler words. Go on.

[Avi]

Yes, young cricket, it does me well to sharpen the rapier wit of my mind against your ligneous intellect, marmorean wit, and ossified sense of originality.

Continue young salamander, your antics amuse me.

[Tim><]

[Avi]

Well put, well put indeed!

[Tim><]

[Avi]

Repetition gets you nowhere. :shake:

[Tim><]

:sleep:

[Avi]

See, you put yourself to sleep.

Pitiful.

:shake:

[Tim><]

:imwith:

[Avi]

A good place to be, too.

[Tim><]

I see.

[Avi]

There we go with Jose all over again :shake:

[Tim><]

Que?

[Avi]

http://www.preschooleducation.com/postcard/pic/quesadilla%202.gif

[Tim><]

I loooove quesadillas.

[Avi]

Bon Appétit

[Tim><]

Silencio! :swear:

[Avi]

Por Que?

[MountainHawk]

This thread seems to have served its purpose in Games. If it's going to be artifically kept alive, it ought to go to the reef.

[Tim><]

I think you have confused this with one of your Poker threads.

[Avi]

This thread seems to have served its purpose in Games. If it's going to be artifically kept alive, it ought to go to the reef.

Jealous™?

[MountainHawk]

Not at all. It's a reef thread like all the other post padding threads now. It was a game, but now it isn't.

[Tim><]

:viola:

[Avi]

Not at all. It's a reef thread like all the other post padding threads now. It was a game, but now it isn't.Like Poker?

:P

:D

[4sigma]

I agree with Mountainhawk. If this thread is going to be kept alive, it should be for actual aftermath of the Exam Committee game.

Discussion topic: Which of the three EC (BC, CubedBee, Will Durant) will outlast EK on Survivor?

[Traina]

Will will.

[Avi]

Will will.But if he doesn't, rest assured that as an attorney, I can safely say that Will's will will.

If you are of little faith, some positive imagery can will Will's will.

And know that Will was not coerced, so through the power of the mind, we can answer the question of Who will survibe? Why willing Will's willing will will!

[Traina]

You had to take it to a whole nother level, huh, Avi? :o :D

[4sigma]

I predict EK survives until individual play begins, and then gets voted out the first chance where he doesn't have immunity.

I expect that either CubedBee or BC will outlast EK, but not both.

[Avi]

You had to take it to a whole nother level, huh, Avi? :o :D

Why stop at a cupful when you can get the entire swimming pool, or something like that :)

[Tim><]

Will you guys give it up, already?

[Rocky]

What's that smell in here?

Uhhhhh...dead thread!

[Tim><]

:viola: :viola: :viola: :viola: :viola: :viola:

[Avi]

What's that smell in here?

Uhhhhh...dead thread!

:shake:

http://actuary.ca/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=3197

:duh:

[Rocky]

http://instagiber.net/smiliesdotcom/contrib/geno/usuck.gif

[Avi]

Jealous™?

[Tim><]

Looooooooooooser.

[Fotally Tubar]

moran

[Avi]

:shake:

[Tim><]

:argue:

[Avi]

:horse:

[Jables]

:shake:

[Rocky]

http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/10/10_1_124.gif

[Avi]

http://www.gsarchives.net/genesis/beavis_and_butthead/sprites/animated/Butthead_Dancing_Left.gifhttp://www.gsarchives.net/genesis/beavis_and_butthead/sprites/animated/Beavis_Dancing_Right.gif

[Butters]

Yes! YES!!

[Avi]

Why the exuberance?

[Super Silver Haze]

I think it's reverse psychology.

[Jables]

I think it's perverse psychology.

[Tim><]

http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/10/10_1_124.gif

[Avi]

http://www.gsarchives.net/genesis/beavis_and_butthead/sprites/animated/Butthead_Dancing_Right.gifhttp://www.gsarchives.net/genesis/beavis_and_butthead/sprites/animated/Beavis_Dancing_Left.gif

[Ebenezer Kohl]

My index on the first page only goes to page 160. Check it out.

[Rocky]

My index on the first page only goes to page 160. Check it out.

With the post-padders in this game, that was just a serious lapse in judgment EK.

[Ebenezer Kohl]

I'm allowed one.

[Jables]

You're the marshmallowed one

[Mulan]

Hey, what is this thread doing on page 2?? Oops, now it isn't anymore... who did that?

[4sigma]

Woohoo! We got an EC! (in the Survivor game)

:wav:

Mulan, you should head over to the Survivor Tribal Council thread and get your "Kill Will" chant going over there....

[Ebenezer Kohl]

Which part was better?

Kill Will the EC
Kill Will the Survivor

[BC]

I wasn't particularly pleased with either one, myself.

[Mulan]

Woohoo! We got an EC! (in the Survivor game)

:wav:

Mulan, you should head over to the Survivor Tribal Council thread and get your "Kill Will" chant going over there....I'm not sure what I did, but I'm proud of my contribution in any case.

[Will Durant]

'tis not the why that matters, rather the what, the wherefor, the who, the clash, and the beatles.
I thought wherefor = why.

[Will Durant]

Discussion topic: Which of the three EC (BC, CubedBee, Will Durant) will outlast EK on Survivor?
Not I.

[Avi]

'tis not the why that matters, rather the what, the wherefor, the who, the clash, and the beatles.
I thought wherefor = why.

Mayhap, but alliteration never ceases to sings its siren's call and I am hopelessly drawn towards it.

[J.T.]

Death to the EC!!!!!!!!!

[Avi]

Indeed.

[Ebenezer Kohl]

Discussion topic: Which of the three EC (BC, CubedBee, Will Durant) will outlast EK on Survivor?
None. :D

[4sigma]

Legendary ;)