Beneath the Planet of the Exam Committee

[Rocky]

yeah I have the transcript and I'm not sure why Rocky is so mean to me.. I think he is EC :evil:

It took me 20 pages to convince 4sigma that I was EC last time...does that mean that Sunny's twice as smart as 4sigma? :D

[Sunny]

yeah I have the transcript and I'm not sure why Rocky is so mean to me.. I think he is EC :evil:

It took me 20 pages to convince 4sigma that I was EC last time...does that mean that Sunny's twice as smart as 4sigma? :D

:rofl:

[Rocky]

Chats...I can't stand les chats
Chiens...un chien est le meilleur ami d'homme

In the future, please limit these posts the French Forum.

oui

[Leela]

Does anyone else think it's suspicious that Mulan is acting so naive even though she played in the first game and led the second game?Not suspicious at all. It was a long time ago and I'm stunned how far it has evolved with strategies, ghosts, slayers, and sleepers! :o

(I lead the game once?? I don't remember that.)


Here (http://actuary.ca/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=3820) is the second game I was referring to. It appears you led it (i.e. played the part Mr. Penguin is playing now).

[4sigma]

I don't know if this chat transcript will be posted or not, but I can confirm that Sunny and EC1 were chatting. BC was also there at the same time as Sunny, EC1, and myself. EC1 left and logged back in as Rocky a few minutes later. :)

[BC]

And as pointed out during the chat, there do exist possibilities for any of us to be EC - as EC2, online on multiple computers, ...

[BC]

And as pointed out during the chat, there do exist possibilities for any of us to be EC - as EC2, online on multiple computers, ...

[Sunny]

huhn?

I'm lost.

[Tim><]

Unvote: Sunny
VOTE: SUNNY!!!!!!!

[Sunny]

hmmmm, is Karma EC?

[Rocky]

Cripes. If I weren't already on the Sunny bandwagon I might vote to lynch you just for speaking french. :roll:

If it helps, I had to use http://translation1.paralink.com/ to do it...

[Sunny]

Transcript, here it is, I have more, but this is the most pertinent:

Msg: EC1 has joined chat on Tue May 25, 2004 1:22 pm
EC1: Hey partner
Sunny: hahahaha
Sunny: I know, the students are dumb and are about to lynch another innocent student
EC1: I don't think anyone else in here is playing though
Sunny: but you coming in here is waaaaay too funny!
Sunny: hahahaha
Redhead: oh, what the hell...
Redhead: lol
Sunny: yeah no one else is playing the game here, all they care about is sex talk
Drewby: just playing a different game
EC1: That was a pretty funny slip up you made
DOUGHBOY: Sex talk is way too cool
Redhead: chat = sex talk, boards = everything else
Redhead: it's too true
Redhead: did you catch that doughy?
EC1: It's unfortunate, but something like that this early is definitely going to get people jumping on the bandwagon against you
Redhead: I flashed the screen, were you looking?
Redhead: lol
DOUGHBOY: very nice
DOUGHBOY: can I touch 'em?
Redhead: thank you, thank you very much
Redhead: that'd be a good trick
Redhead: what happened in the game EC1?
DOUGHBOY: I can walk down the hall & be there in about 30 seconds
EC1: Good luck avoiding that lynching sunny
Msg: EC1 logged out on Tue May 25, 2004 1:27 pm
Sunny: hahahaha
DOUGHBOY: Sunny
Sunny: no avoiding it, I know I better write my death scene now

[Rocky]

I don't know if this chat transcript will be posted or not, but I can confirm that Sunny and EC1 were chatting. BC was also there at the same time as Sunny, EC1, and myself. EC1 left and logged back in as Rocky a few minutes later. :)

D'oh!

Play nice now...

[Tim><]

There is more than one EC. That one was chatting with Sunny seems to be more damning than exonerating.

[Sunny]

How many ECs do we have? I thought we have two? In fact, most students I've talked to believe I'm innocent, so I think you are EC Karma.

Unvote: Mulan
Vote: Karma Police

[4sigma]

Agreed that it is quite possible that Sunny (or any of us) could be EC2. It seems rather improbable at this point that she is EC1, though admittedly it is technologically possible.

[Rocky]

Where's RSF...we need a chess theory...

Mr. P - please rule on EC_Slayer joining the ghost forum.

[Sunny]

Again, I'm confused, ok, there are TWO ECs right? And EC1 said something to me like I am NOT EC2 either, and definitely not EC1.

Anyways, I think I'm lost on some of the rules, this is the first time I'm playing, didn't even know how to vote to lynch. :roll:

[Rocky]

Agreed that it is quite possible that Sunny (or any of us) could be EC2. It seems rather improbable at this point that she is EC1, though admittedly it is technologically possible.

My post after Sunny's misstep was a joke...I chose to call her EC1 since EC2 had posted the original death decree for the students. She could be either or neither...it's still too early to tell.

[Gandalf]

How many ECs do we have? I thought we have two? In fact, most students I've talked to believe I'm innocent, so I think you are EC Karma.
There are 34 remaining players. I believe that each and every one of them is innocent. I might be wrong on a couple, but no more than that.

[Rocky]

Agreed that it is quite possible that Sunny (or any of us) could be EC2. It seems rather improbable at this point that she is EC1, though admittedly it is technologically possible.

Or, she could be Rocky


if she was, I'd never leave the house :wink:

[4sigma]

Gandalf, you mention earlier that you would like to hear more from SSH on his plans. It appears that our ability to communicate with SSH will not be all that frequent:I want to encourage people who aren't here all day every day to play as well.That's exactly what I wanted to hear, since I can't access this site from work. I'm in. Hopefully we will hear from him tonight about his intentions in terms of long-term collaboration, and can proceed accordingly.

I am hoping we get a clarification shortly from Mr. P. regarding whether ghosts are permitted to PM EC_Slayer, and whether EC_Slayer is allowed access to the ghost forum.

[Mr. Penguin]

Where's RSF...we need a chess theory...

Mr. P - please rule on EC_Slayer joining the ghost forum.

OK.

EC_Slayer may not join the Ghost Forum.

[4sigma]

I am hoping we get a clarification shortly from Mr. P. regarding whether ghosts are permitted to PM EC_Slayer, and whether EC_Slayer is allowed access to the ghost forum.Wow, that was fast!

[Sunny]

How many ECs do we have? I thought we have two? In fact, most students I've talked to believe I'm innocent, so I think you are EC Karma.
There are 34 remaining players. I believe that each and every one of them is innocent. I might be wrong on a couple, but no more than that.

I think at this point, whoever thinks I'm to be lynched is EC.

[Rocky]

I am hoping we get a clarification shortly from Mr. P. regarding whether ghosts are permitted to PM EC_Slayer, and whether EC_Slayer is allowed access to the ghost forum.Wow, that was fast!

The man gets results :roll:


I'll resist the temptation to add "sounds EC" to that statement. :D

[Rocky]

How many ECs do we have? I thought we have two? In fact, most students I've talked to believe I'm innocent, so I think you are EC Karma.
There are 34 remaining players. I believe that each and every one of them is innocent. I might be wrong on a couple, but no more than that.

I think at this point, whoever thinks I'm to be lynched is EC.

This doesn't sound like a prime candidate for ghost leader...she wants to lynch 6 people when only 2 could be EC :o

Why not just hope for a swarm of locusts or a flood to get the other 33 besides you? sheeeeesh.... :wink:

[Sunny]

I am definitely not to be the ghost leader. Neither am I the slayer. I am not anyone but an innocent student, and this is the last time I'm gonna say it! :evil:

[Hagbard Celine]

If you were truly an innocent student, you would want to be the ghost leader! It's an honor! :P

[Sunny]

Nnah, too much strategy, I'm too dumb for this, can't even pass my exams. :shake:

[BC]

If you were truly an innocent student, you would want to be the ghost leader! It's an honor! :P

While true, it's also a responsibility that I wouldn't want to take on, since I haven't played this game before. So actually, while I would consider it an honor, I'd rather not take it on (but if it were to be thrust upon me...)

[Rocky]

If you were truly an innocent student, you would want to be the ghost leader! It's an honor! :P

It takes a long arm to pat yourself on the back (but you deserve it)...just make sure that you don't spill the lager in your other hand...

[jadzia]

Since the slayer can't be the ghost's leader, and that Sigma4 volunteered :

Vote : Sigma4

[cubedbee]

Where's RSF...we need a chess theory...

Mr. P - please rule on EC_Slayer joining the ghost forum.

OK.

EC_Slayer may not join the Ghost Forum.

Well then, I think we need a strong ghost leader now. I think the evidence for Sunny being EC is extremely dubious and we can easily wait one turn to take her out. Gandalf and 4sigma seem to be the two players with the best grasp of strategy and analysis of other players, so I think we should lynch one of them. I'll place a vote for 4Sigma now, since he volunteered.

[Rocky]

Thanks for stepping up!

Vote: 4Sigma

I just cut and pasted this from last game. :D

[Leela]

I agree.

Vote: 4Sigma

[Sunny]

Ok, I'll vote for 4sig too, so he can be the leader. I'll get that Karma later. :D

Unvote: Karma Police
Vote: 4sigma

[thing]

Mr. P, can we get a vote check?

Either 4&sigma; was cleverly trying to divert attention from his own role as an EC member, or he was bravely volunteering. Given that he hasn't yet done a suicide vote for himself, I'm inclined to be a little suspicious. So:

Unvote Gandalf, vote 4&sigma;

(plus, it's a lot of fun to use the &sigma; symbol. &sigma; &sigma; &sigma; &sigma; &sigma; )

[Gandalf]

If we lynch 4Sigma, we get a great ghost leader, a real plus. However, once we lynch him, we limit his participation to public posts plus PMs to other ghosts, and there aren't many other ghosts yet. He would be able to process incoming PMs, but we're all pretty clueless at the moment.

I personally would rather see 4Sigma living rather than ghost leader for now, with the idea that either SSH or EC_Slayer can direct the hits for a few rounds.

[Sunny]

If we lynch 4Sigma, we get a great ghost leader, a real plus. However, once we lynch him, we limit his participation to public posts plus PMs to other ghosts, and there aren't many other ghosts yet. He would be able to process incoming PMs, but we're all pretty clueless at the moment.

I personally would rather see 4Sigma living rather than ghost leader for now, with the idea that either SSH or EC_Slayer can direct the hits for a few rounds.

That's what I thought too, where is 4sig's post to volunteer? I think a ghost's ability is limited. It may be better for him to be alive. (If he isn't EC, and if he is truly as good as people seem to think he is. I didn't play last time, so I don't know what happened behind the scenes.)

I will suspend my vote for now and may vote for Karma again until further investigation is done. :D

[Rocky]

If we lynch 4Sigma, we get a great ghost leader, a real plus. However, once we lynch him, we limit his participation to public posts plus PMs to other ghosts, and there aren't many other ghosts yet. He would be able to process incoming PMs, but we're all pretty clueless at the moment.

I personally would rather see 4Sigma living rather than ghost leader for now, with the idea that either SSH or EC_Slayer can direct the hits for a few rounds.

I agree that it would limit 4sigma somewhat, but not drastically IMO. Plus, post-mortem, he'd wield quite a bit of power (yikes for me) as the lead ghost.

His PM's from last game appeared to be very useful for the ghosts. If he's lynched, he'll have a greater ability to create a dialogue with other ghosts. This is an improvement over 1-way correspondence, I'd think.

Anyway, 4sigma's grasp on the strategies of this game should help defeat the EC in the long run.

[Mr. Penguin]

I will suspend my vote for now and may vote for Karma again until further investigation is done. :D

You need to formally (and BOLDLY unvote.

Curent tally:

4Sigma 7
Sunny 6
Butters 1
Gandalf 1
Mulan 1

[Rocky]

If we lynch 4Sigma, we get a great ghost leader, a real plus. However, once we lynch him, we limit his participation to public posts plus PMs to other ghosts, and there aren't many other ghosts yet. He would be able to process incoming PMs, but we're all pretty clueless at the moment.

I personally would rather see 4Sigma living rather than ghost leader for now, with the idea that either SSH or EC_Slayer can direct the hits for a few rounds.

That's what I thought too, where is 4sig's post to volunteer? I think a ghost's ability is limited. It may be better for him to be alive. (If he isn't EC, and if he is truly as good as people seem to think he is. I didn't play last time, so I don't know what happened behind the scenes.)

I will suspend my vote for now and may vote for Karma again until further investigation is done. :D

In the event that we decide we need a lead ghost, I hereby volunteer myself. Several others are certainly qualified, including Gandalf, Cho Da, and others. However, both of them met an untimely end last game, while I was fortunate enough to survive. As a matter of equity, I believe I should be the one to volunteer myself this game, and give them the opportunity for a potentially lengthy corporeal existence.

[Sunny]

Alright, my vote remains then, if the guy wants this himself. Although I still think it's more powerful to live and communicate with the students. But I'll do the same again just to make sure. :D

Unvote: 4sigma
Vote: 4sigma

[cubedbee]

If we lynch 4Sigma, we get a great ghost leader, a real plus. However, once we lynch him, we limit his participation to public posts plus PMs to other ghosts, and there aren't many other ghosts yet. He would be able to process incoming PMs, but we're all pretty clueless at the moment.

I personally would rather see 4Sigma living rather than ghost leader for now, with the idea that either SSH or EC_Slayer can direct the hits for a few rounds.

Is the ability to send PMs to other students really that important? I wasn't a student last time, but I don't see how we're losing that much if 4sigma loses this ability. Is there anything else I'm missing that ghosts can't do?

[Leela]

I think last time Hagbard and JT might have been pming back and forth. I think the main thing a ghost loses this round is the ability to communicate with the Slayer privately. A ghost could talk to the slayer publicly without revealing the slayer's identity this time.

Of course, a ghost and the slayer could always log onto chat at a time it was empty. I believe that is in the scope of the rules.


*edited for grammar mistakes

[Sunny]

Yeah but the chat is full of lurkers, so it's never safe, and anything there can be posted publicly, and I'm sure the EC is lurking there also.

I know, cuz I'm the chat queen. :D

:oops:

So yeah I have my suspicion of who EC is, too, from chats.

[snafu]

I think 4Sigma will make an excellent lead ghost but still feel the case for Sunny as EC is very strong

She "accidentally" posts the "DEATH TO THE STUDENTS" comment and then claims she was quoting EC2. But the increased font size was there in the original post. How can you quote someone, increase the font size, and not notice that it says students and not EC?
She pulls the chat thing to try and clear her name
Methinks the lady doth protest too much. The object of the game is to kill the EC, not to stay alive. At this stage of the game, just go with the flow and become a ghost.
The poster that I most suspect of being EC2 jumped on the lynch 4Sigma bandwagon awfully quick

And now I'm going for my golf shirt
Sunny and jadzia

[Sunny]

By the way, I saw snafu go into chat and lurk, and he is, in fact, my strongest suspicion as of to date.

[Leela]

Perhaps next time we should petition for a psychic - someone that the ghosts can talk to via PM.

[4sigma]

Mr. P, can we get a vote check?

Either 4σ was cleverly trying to divert attention from his own role as an EC member, or he was bravely volunteering. Given that he hasn't yet done a suicide vote for himself, I'm inclined to be a little suspicious. So:

Unvote Gandalf, vote 4σ

(plus, it's a lot of fun to use the σ symbol. σ σ σ σ σ )

Those familiar with my style from last game know that I am not a hasty voter. We still have over 60 hours to perform our lynching. However, I am still perfectly willing to be our lead ghost, as I think that establishing some early coordination here is crucial. It is true that ghosts are a bit less potent than last game since they cannot coordinate quite as directly with the slayer.

If I am lynched, we do give up our 6% chance of lynching an EC this round. I harbor no particular death-wish (though the power as lead ghost is admittedly lucrative....) The point is that we want to set up some good early coordination here and I am willing to be sacrificed if that is what it takes.

[Gandalf]

Is the ability to send PMs to other students really that important? I wasn't a student last time, but I don't see how we're losing that much if 4sigma loses this ability.
I became a ghost fairly early in the last game, while there was still a lot of uncertainty. So most PMs I got from 4Sigma were in the format of player to ghost. I got some from him while I was a player, and suspected I would have gotten more. I hope he (alive) wouldn't share as much with a player as he (alive) would share with a ghost, but some behind the scenes maneuvering/coordinating could be useful. Alive, he (as anyone else) has the ability to send PMs to other players and draw conclusions from their reactions. Since he's a strategic-thinking sort, this could help the students.

He would be valuable alive or dead; more valuable alive I think.

[Rocky]

I think last time Hagbard and JT might have been pming back and forth. I think the main thing a ghost loses this round is the ability to communicate with the Slayer privately. A ghost could talk to the slayer publicly without revealing the slayer's identity this time.

Of course, a ghost and the slayer could always log onto chat at a time it was empty. I believe that is in the scope of the rules.


*edited for grammar mistakes

Did Mr. P. rule out live players (including the slayer) PM'ing ghosts. I thought that ghosts just can't return the PM's.

My understanding is that EC_Slayer can still contact the head ghost via PM and expose his/her true identity. Then, the ghosts can protect the slayer.

How did HC and J.T. communicate last time? Did the rules change during the game to no longer allow the dead to PM the living?

[Sunny]

Also, just checked, snafu has been posting ever since Monday, the first day the game began. Methinks that also qualifies another point of suspicion, because only the slayer and the EC members would be pm'd, many students may not be fully up to speed about the game (as I did not even realize it had begun until the last 24 hours) so quickly, and anyone involved that early is all suspicious to me.

[snafu]

If you think it is me then place your vote. I'm not afraid to be a ghost. Ohhh, but if you swap your vote from 4Sigma to me then you would be placing you little EC self in danger and you can't do that because while a ghost student is useful, a ghost EC is just points for the student team.

Also, another point of guilt for Sunny, is how she kept referring to "the stupid students" and such a couple of pages back.

I say lynch her. She's EC I tell you. 4Sigma will make a great ghost dean starting next round. This round, keep him here with the rest of us and get the EC!!!

Anyway, I'm on an early time zone so I'm checking out for the day now. Still have enough daylight to hit the beach on the way home.

Sunny for EC!!!

[Sunny]

And anyone knows me knows that I am dang defensive and surely a lady that protest way much if it is wrong! dang it!

[BC]

The poster that I most suspect of being EC2 jumped on the lynch 4Sigma bandwagon awfully quick[/list]


[obligatory defense mode]
You mean me? I wouldn't have guessed that I'd done anything to arouse suspicion that I was EC.
[/obligatory defense mode]

If the concensus becomes that 4sigma is more useful alive than dead, I'll be happy to change my vote; until then, let's cast aspersions on people who haven't posted recently just for the fun of it.

[Rocky]

If I am lynched, we do give up our 6% chance of lynching an EC this round. I harbor no particular death-wish (though the power as lead ghost is admittedly lucrative....) The point is that we want to set up some good early coordination here and I am willing to be sacrificed if that is what it takes.

But, we do eliminate the 3% chance of getting our slayer (and have a 3% chance of getting the sleeper). :duh:

I don't think that lynching an innocent student is ever a rock-solid strategy, but in this case, I think it is the optimal strategy for the game.

[Tim><]

You are too defensive for a student this early in the game. Having participated in many elimination football pools, I know that one does not invest that much into the game until one has survived a few weeks. The further along one gets, the greater the probability of victory. In this case, a student who goes second becomes a ghost and gets to keep playing. Moreover, there is some strategy involved in being an early lynchee. I think that this level of defensiveness is unsuited for a student.

An accused EC, however, faces the prospect of being on the verge of losing on the first possible opportunity. That kind of loss would be absolutely devestating. An EC would try to do everything possible to avoid being lynched this early.

Sunny is EC.

[Rocky]

until then, let's cast aspersions on people who haven't posted recently just for the fun of it.

There will be plenty of time for that!

[Sunny]

If you think it is me then place your vote. I'm not afraid to be a ghost. Ohhh, but if you swap your vote from 4Sigma to me then you would be placing you little EC self in danger and you can't do that because while a ghost student is useful, a ghost EC is just points for the student team.

I voted for 4sig only because he wanted to, as it was plain in the thread history. I find your insistence very suspicious. In fact, you being the only one who wouldn't say hello to me that joined chat, but every other player who joined did chat away about the game, is all pointing you being EC1.

Good luck buddy, don't point the finger at me now because I think that makes you all the more suspicious. I don't believe any student that I've talked to believes I'm EC in any way. Like I said, the only ones that would make sure I'm dead are the EC's themselves. Mark my words students, in case the EC murders me. :x

Also, another point of guilt for Sunny, is how she kept referring to "the stupid students" and such a couple of pages back.

Yeup, I'm blunt like that, whether that's cute or not. If the students lynched me, they would be very dumb indeed. I still say the same.

[Sunny]

Karma and snafu will be on my list of the most suspicious ones to be EC.

Until I see something else.

[Tim><]

So, as a ghost, you will be advising others to lynch us?

[Sunny]

I know I have had conversations with EC1 in chat, which was funny, but waaay dangerous for him. Now that I'm not as ditsy as I may seem, I know the EC is threatened and will probably kill me, even if the students don't lynch me. Death is not an issue for me. I just want to get the EC. So students, just remember what I have said. I hope we get EC either way.

DEATH TO THE EC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Sunny]

Oh and btw, I'm not a conventional football fantasy league player person you can predict, whatever your excuse is Karma.

Um, penguini, my question is, in case I die, one way or another, can I still highlight in green the names of snafu and karma just in case (also in case I don't suspect any other)??

[Gandalf]

I think last time Hagbard and JT might have been pming back and forth. I think the main thing a ghost loses this round is the ability to communicate with the Slayer privately. A ghost could talk to the slayer publicly without revealing the slayer's identity this time.

Of course, a ghost and the slayer could always log onto chat at a time it was empty. I believe that is in the scope of the rules.


*edited for grammar mistakes

Did Mr. P. rule out live players (including the slayer) PM'ing ghosts. I thought that ghosts just can't return the PM's.

My understanding is that EC_Slayer can still contact the head ghost via PM and expose his/her true identity. Then, the ghosts can protect the slayer.

How did HC and J.T. communicate last time? Did the rules change during the game to no longer allow the dead to PM the living?
Right: live players can PM ghosts without restrictions. That includes EC_Slayer (who certainly should PM the ghosts), who could then be protected.

HC and JT communicated by PM. Last time the rules weren't clear. It wasn't a published rule that Ghosts couldn't PM students, but Mr. P told the Ghosts not to. I don't think it was ever addressed whether "students" included the slayer.

Chat together? Of doubtful legality. Certainly it would be a violation of the intent of the rules for a ghost to e-mail a living player.

[Kaput Shakur]

I wanted to vote for Sunny at first, but I think I'll

vote: 4sigma

[Mr. Penguin]

Oh and btw, I'm not a conventional football fantasy league player person you can predict, whatever your excuse is Karma.

Um, penguini, my question is, in case I die, one way or another, can I still highlight in green the names of snafu and karma just in case (also in case I don't suspect any other)??

You can highlight whoever you like...whoever votes first for the people who are eventually found out to be EC win the Red Swingline.

[Rocky]

For some reason, last game, I thought that if students accidentally lynched the slayer, we would not get a replacement. Did I read too much into "executed" in Mr. P's description?

Also, as long as the original 2 E.C. are alive, will there be unlimited slayer replacements (if needed)? Or just one replacement slayer?

[Mr. Penguin]

For some reason, last game, I thought that if students accidentally lynched the slayer, we would not get a replacement. Did I read too much into "executed" in Mr. P's description?

Also, as long as the original 2 E.C. are alive, will there be unlimited slayer replacements (if needed)? Or just one replacement slayer?

Unlimited as long as both original EC are alive.

[Rocky]

Oh and btw, I'm not a conventional football fantasy league player person you can predict, whatever your excuse is Karma.

Um, penguini, my question is, in case I die, one way or another, can I still highlight in green the names of snafu and karma just in case (also in case I don't suspect any other)??

Why green? Is that the color that we're using to suggest E.C. members for lynching?

Formal voting for the prize is done in orange. Also, the rules state that a vote for the prize can not be changed once it's posted.

[Mr. Penguin]

Oh and btw, I'm not a conventional football fantasy league player person you can predict, whatever your excuse is Karma.

Um, penguini, my question is, in case I die, one way or another, can I still highlight in green the names of snafu and karma just in case (also in case I don't suspect any other)??

Why green? Is that the color that we're using to suggest E.C. members for lynching?

Formal voting for the prize is done in orange. Also, the rules state that a vote for the prize can not be changed once it's posted.

Votes for EC for the stapler are to be in Orange.

I made a rule change to allow one EC guess per player per round rather than one for the whole game. This rule change is simply because there just isn't enough paranoia running rampant. :lol:

[Rocky]

Votes for EC for the stapler are to be in Orange.

I made a rule change to allow one EC guess per player per round rather than one for the whole game. This rule change is simply because there just isn't enough paranoia running rampant. :lol:

I missed that one:

Jables and CubedBee

now, THAT would be a twist...

[Will Durant]

until then, let's cast aspersions on people who haven't posted recently just for the fun of it.
Just checkin' in. :D

[RedSoxFan]

Where's RSF...we need a chess theory...

Mr. P - please rule on EC_Slayer joining the ghost forum.

200 posts in just a few hours??? How am I supposed to keep up?

I did skim the posts. I think I agree with this:


Vote: 4sigma

[Leela]

Oh and btw, I'm not a conventional football fantasy league player person you can predict, whatever your excuse is Karma.

Um, penguini, my question is, in case I die, one way or another, can I still highlight in green the names of snafu and karma just in case (also in case I don't suspect any other)??

Why green? Is that the color that we're using to suggest E.C. members for lynching?

Formal voting for the prize is done in orange. Also, the rules state that a vote for the prize can not be changed once it's posted.

Votes for EC for the stapler are to be in Orange.

I made a rule change to allow one EC guess per player per round rather than one for the whole game. This rule change is simply because there just isn't enough paranoia running rampant. :lol:


So, do you have to unvote if you want to change your vote each round? Or does the first student who correctly identified the EC members win even if they have changed their vote in a subsequent round?

[RedSoxFan]

Oh and btw, I'm not a conventional football fantasy league player person you can predict, whatever your excuse is Karma.

Um, penguini, my question is, in case I die, one way or another, can I still highlight in green the names of snafu and karma just in case (also in case I don't suspect any other)??

Why green? Is that the color that we're using to suggest E.C. members for lynching?

Formal voting for the prize is done in orange. Also, the rules state that a vote for the prize can not be changed once it's posted.

Votes for EC for the stapler are to be in Orange.

I made a rule change to allow one EC guess per player per round rather than one for the whole game. This rule change is simply because there just isn't enough paranoia running rampant. :lol:

I don't quite understand. Since the EC can't be finished off in one round (since there are two of them) if we haven't killed either of them, what's to stop someone from re-voting what you voted next round? Say I vote for 4sigma and Sunny, and say 4sigma was on the EC and we voted for him and killed him, then someone next round is going to vote for 4sigma and Sunny, so what I voted for was irrelevant.

[Mr. Penguin]

OK, this is what I get for changing rules that I didn't think had any bearing at this moment.

You can vote for your choice for the two original members of the EC once per round. In any particular round, if you don't revote, your choice from the previous round remains in effect. No unvoting is allowed or necessary.

[Leela]

So, if I vote for Sunny and Mulan in round 1, then vote for RedSoxFan and J.T. in round 2, are both of my votes eligible for the stapler, or only the most recent vote?

[Mr. Penguin]

So, if I vote for Sunny and Mulan in round 1, then vote for RedSoxFan and J.T. in round 2, are both of my votes eligible for the stapler, or only the most recent vote?

Only the most recent one.

Boy this thread is boosting my post count!

[Mr. Penguin]

With 18 votes needed for lynching, the current tally is:

4Sigma 9
Sunny 6
Butters 1
Gandalf 1
Mulan 1

[Gandalf]

42 and Mr. Penguin

[Super Silver Haze]

Ah, I knew there was a reason my ears were burning today... :)

Gandalf, you mention earlier that you would like to hear more from SSH on his plans. It appears that our ability to communicate with SSH will not be all that frequent:I want to encourage people who aren't here all day every day to play as well.That's exactly what I wanted to hear, since I can't access this site from work. I'm in. Hopefully we will hear from him tonight about his intentions in terms of long-term collaboration, and can proceed accordingly.

I do want to stick with the game for the long haul, and I'll offer whatever input I can. Since I can't look at this site from work, though, I don't know if it'd be a good idea to give me the decision-making power that Hagbard Celine had last game. That's not to say I wouldn't like to be ghost leader, because I think it'd be fun, but it may not be good strategy on the students' part. I'll leave it up to the masses to decide.

Also, I can't see a ghost forum listed in the forum index. Has it just not been created yet, or am I looking in the wrong place?

Thanks for all the compliments on the death scene, btw.

[Jables]

I missed that one:

Jables and CubedBee

now, THAT would be a twist...

:tfh:

I'm innocent and you can keep that in mind until I'm proven...innocent!
(either killed innocently, or we knock off all of the EC)

[Rocky]

I missed that one:

Jables and CubedBee

now, THAT would be a twist...

:tfh:

I'm innocent and you can keep that in mind until I'm proven...innocent!
(either killed innocently, or we knock off all of the EC)

I just wanted to see Buffy again...thanks for the reply!

[Traina]

The game is a heck of a lot harder to keep up with this time around!

However, I'm leaning towards thinking 4sigma would be more useful as a live student.


Vote: Sunny

[ahow]

VOTE: SUNNY

Sunny and Mulan

4sigma if it will help the game.

In case no one was aware, you can be in the chatroom on two IDs at the same time. Actually, I've known people to be in the chatroom on 3 or 4 IDs on occasion. I also know Sunny knows how to do this...

[cubedbee]

OK, this is what I get for changing rules that I didn't think had any bearing at this moment.

You can vote for your choice for the two original members of the EC once per round. In any particular round, if you don't revote, your choice from the previous round remains in effect. No unvoting is allowed or necessary.

After 1 EC member has been revealed, can everyone revote so that they have that person correct?

[EC2]

BOO!!!

Man, I love being the EC. Fear and ignorance. Ignorance and fear. Yous guys gonna do half our work for us.

[Ultimate Anyone?]

This many posts, and this is just the start of the game?? I have a feeling that the posts aren't going to drop off over time... (like, oh... Rock-Paper-Scissors, perhaps?).

Vote: Sunny

Sunny and stu

[RedSoxFan]

Your post was very suspicious, UA.

Stapler vote: Sunny and Ultimate Anyone?

[Sunny]

Karma Police and Snafu

[Sunny]

Question penguini, what if we get only one of the EC in orange, does that mean we can't win either?

I can't believe even RedSoxFan doesn't believe me, unless he is also EC. :evil:

In any case, this game is totally running on paranoia, whoever voted for me, you are wasting your time on this stupid typo of mine. :shake:

[All Clear]

And I had originally hoped I wouldn't have to spend my entire lunch break looking through this thread. Oh Well.

Maybe 2pac and J-Rab can get along in the political forum- it looks like Rocky and 4Sigma are here. Unfortunately, I must speak up against their ideas- Kenshiro said it a few pages back, and I could not agree more. Knocking someone off to be a ghost leader at this point makes little to no sense in my mind. Protecting the slayer would be good, but since another one would be appointed at this early stage, I don't like going through the round without at least taking a stab at someone. I feel almost odd that I am just about apologizing to 4Sigma for NOT voting for him....

Sunny, not passing your Course 3 exam in NY a couple of weeks ago does not mean you are too dumb to pass exams. It means that when the lights are turned off for 6 minutes in the middle and your solar calculator does not work, and that when both clocks fall off the wall during the exam and you don't know what time it is, you, like everyone else, will be unable to pass. :-) Who do I suspect? I have no clue. Really. None at all. I therefore nominate a quiet one-

Vote: Oblomov

[Sunny]

VOTE: SUNNY

Sunny and Mulan

4sigma if it will help the game.

In case no one was aware, you can be in the chatroom on two IDs at the same time. Actually, I've known people to be in the chatroom on 3 or 4 IDs on occasion. I also know Sunny knows how to do this...

yeah everybody knows this, but I don't ever do this.. anyways, go vote for me, you will find yourself stupid anyways. I'm the most honest and straight-forward person I know, and if I were the EC, I would never have protested so much and wasted so much energy to get myself strangled. I am amazed how the students jump on the bandwagon here. :shake:

Why in red? Does red signify something?

And does being head ghost mean I have to have the strategy or do something special now? And if so, can I not? :-? I don't mind dying, but I sure don't want to be the head strategist now! :evil:

[RedSoxFan]

I can't believe even RedSoxFan doesn't believe me, unless he is also EC. :evil:


"Also"?? You mean in addition to you?? :-?

[Ebenezer Kohl]

I feel almost odd that I am just about apologizing to 4Sigma for NOT voting for him....
4Sigma is the perfect choice to be the ghost forum leader. I am willing to take him up on this offer when an active ghost forum leader is necessary. I don't see a need for his services yet.

Vote: Sunny

[Sunny]

I can't believe even RedSoxFan doesn't believe me, unless he is also EC. :evil:


"Also"?? You mean in addition to you?? :-?

Uh, no. If I were EC, wouldn't I know who the other EC is?

I meant also because I have already voted for the swingline that Karma and snafu are EC. Unless I'm wrong with one of them and you are the other. But at this point I tend not to think so.

[Macroman]

Your post was very suspicious, UA.

Stapler vote: Sunny and Ultimate Anyone?

I think EC2's post was suspicious!

[Ebenezer Kohl]

Unvote: Sunny
Vote: 4sigma

Sunny & Will Durant

[Werewolf]

Wow, that's a lot of posts. Just one day, and there's another six or seven pages of posts. It'll be hard keeping up with this thread with the occasional evening post.

So, first thing: Sunny and snafu are very suspicious. One of them could very well be EC. Here's my conspiracy theory: what if they're both EC? If one of them is eliminated, we wouldn't think they're both EC, so the other'd be safe. So let me vote Sunny and snafu.

But, for this vote, I like the idea of getting a reliable ghost, so I'll
Vote: 4Sigma

[Tim><]

Sunny and Gandalf

[Super Silver Haze]

snafu and Mulan

[jadzia]

Sunny and Kaput Shakur

[the mole]

Why don't you just trust me to tell you who to hit? I can't be EC, not even an EC sleeper.

[4sigma]

I appreciate the sentiments of those of you who would prefer to keep me among the living. I confess that I have no overwhelming urge to die. There is admittedly a certain pleasure in casting votes in bold. I do think we need to get the ghost system into gear, and I am perfectly willing to run it. If anyone thinks there is a better alternative than me getting the ghost system started, I promise not to take your suggestion as an insult.

I see I have collected 11 votes so far. I take this to mean that 11 of you believe that my services as lead ghost are expected to be more valuable than the 6% chance we have of lynching EC with a random lynching this round. Thank you all for your good opinion, and given the opportunity I will try to live up to it.

If a majority is planning to take me up on my offer of martyrdom, I would request that I be given a bit of time to finish sending some PMs to the living before my death. I would appreciate if I could have until at least 3 p.m. Pacific time Thursday to settle my affairs. Perhaps if my vote count gets up to about 15 or so, the rest of you could cool your jets for a bit and let the last 3 votes come in between 3 p.m Pacific time Thursday, and our deadline of early Friday. Alternatively, perhaps we could lynch someone at random and the slayer could slay me. Thanks very much.

-- 4σ

P.S. I don't believe anyone has the least clue who EC is yet. But since we all seem to be casting orange votes, I vote for Rocky and urysohn

P.P.S. Postcount = 2^10.

[Macroman]

I second what 4sigma said. Let us not judge in haste. I know I don't have the faintest idea who is EC.

Rocky and Gandalf

[cubedbee]

I vote for Rocky and urysohn



I'm pretty sure the turtle is just an annoying pest in need of an exterminator, and not actually a student in this game.

I'll choose Kaput Shakur and Gandalf for my stapler vote.

[Gandalf]

Mr. P:

How about some clarification of the "multiple IDs" rule. Can we rely on EC1 being one of the two original EC, and EC2 being the other? Or can a particular original EC post at times as EC1 and other times as EC2.

I ask since originally I had concluded EC1 was the really dumb EC, but now I'm wondering if EC2 could be even dumber. The sleeper is the only thing that will give those two a chance.

[Cho Da]

Unvote: Butters
Vote: Rocky

[urysohn]

I vote for Rocky and urysohn



I'm pretty sure the turtle is just an annoying pest in need of an exterminator, and not actually a student in this game.

I'm quite sure I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. hummff. :arrogant_disdain:

[Traina]

Kenshiro and Werewolf

[snafu]

Mr. P,

When you give the next vote count, can you also please give the list of who voted. We could keep track of this but since you already are, it would seem a waste of time.

[Maine-iac]

Mulan and Ahow

[Rocky]

Unvote: 4Sigma

To give him the time that he's asking for.

[Mr. Penguin]

Mr. P:

How about some clarification of the "multiple IDs" rule. Can we rely on EC1 being one of the two original EC, and EC2 being the other? Or can a particular original EC post at times as EC1 and other times as EC2.

I ask since originally I had concluded EC1 was the really dumb EC, but now I'm wondering if EC2 could be even dumber. The sleeper is the only thing that will give those two a chance.

Each EC member was assigned one and only one of the two EC IDs. While they may have exchanged PWs (and I never thought about forbidding it), as far as I know there still exists a one-to-one relationship between the EC IDs and those I gave them to.

[Cho Da]

Unvote: Rocky
Vote: Sunny
Sunny and BC

[Gandalf]

as far as I know there still exists a one-to-one relationship between the EC IDs and those I gave them to.
Funny you should mention one-to-one relationship.

OK, Sunny, go ahead and implement that plan you proposed in your PM. You offer your body to EC2 in exchange for the ids of EC1 and the sleeper. Without the password to the EC2 account, the others will never know who sold them out.

I agree with your decision to approach EC2. As you said, EC1 seems like a gay male. NTTAWWT.

[Mr. Penguin]

Mr. P,

When you give the next vote count, can you also please give the list of who voted. We could keep track of this but since you already are, it would seem a waste of time.

I will this time, but perhaps only this time. I think one of you students should be able to track this as well.

Current tally:

4Sigma 10
Sunny 10
Gandalf 1
Mulan 1
Oblomov 1

Detailed:

Ebenezer Kohlx 4Sigma
CubedBee 4sigma
Will Durant Sunny
Cho Da Sunny
J.T.
4sigma
Avi Gandalf
karma police Sunny
Hagbard Celine Sunny
Ultimate Anyone Sunny
Gandalf
Kenshiro Mulan
Jables
Ahow Sunny
Maine-iac Sunny
Asynchronous
Anonymouse
All Clear Oblomov
jadzia 4sigma
Traina Sunny
RedSoxFan 4sigma
Sunny 4sigma
BC 4sigma
snafu Sunny
Kaput Shakur 4sigma
Butters
Super Silver Haze
Macroman
Werewolf 4Sigma
Rocky
Oblomov
Mulan Sunny
stu
Leela 4sigma
thing 4sigma

[Rocky]

Unfortunately, I must speak up against their ideas- Kenshiro said it a few pages back, and I could not agree more. Knocking someone off to be a ghost leader at this point makes little to no sense in my mind. Protecting the slayer would be good, but since another one would be appointed at this early stage, I don't like going through the round without at least taking a stab at someone.

I respect your opinion, AC.

In my mind, I see a few advantages to setting up the ghost counsel now.

1) We'd be taking a random shot at the EC. If we hit an EC, GREAT! One down and one (possibly two) to go. But, we have no ghosts set up to protect our ONLY slayer. If we then lynch the slayer in round 2...no slayer replacement. Small odds, but that's our worst case scenario. Plus, the EC will get it's sleeper.

2) The odds of lynching the EC get better for us each round. We'd be best served by setting up a strong ghost counsel in round 1...where we have the lowest odds of hitting the EC. [Admittedly, our odds could be lower if we hit one EC early on and the sleeper has already been killed since we'd have only a 1 out of n shot at the EC each round].

3) We have a 3% chance of taking out the sleeper no matter who is lynched.

4) On the 3% chance that 4sigma is the sleeper...I'd rather have him working for the students (as a ghost), than on the EC.

[edited to remove reference to SSH in point 1 and add point 4.]

[EC1]

As you said, EC1 seems like a gay male. NTTAWWT.

There is nothing I love more than long hard wizard wands. I don't think that alone makes me a gay male does it?

[Gandalf]

If we hit an EC, GREAT! One down and one (possibly two) to go. But, we have no ghosts set up to protect our ONLY slayer. If we then lynch the slayer in round 2...no slayer replacement. Small odds, but that's our worst case scenario. Plus, the EC will get it's sleeper (unless it was SSH).
No, we have another route to protect the slayer. Let EC_Slayer order the hit (not on him/herself) this round. We have chances to hit EC1, EC2 or sleeper. If we hit EC1 or EC2, so that we're in danger of losing our slayer, let EC_Slayer order next round's hit also. Let EC_Slayer direct all hits until we have a ghost who's prepared to take over.

[Mulan]

Will Durant and Cho Da

Unvote: Sunny
Vote: Cho Da

[Rocky]

If we hit an EC, GREAT! One down and one (possibly two) to go. But, we have no ghosts set up to protect our ONLY slayer. If we then lynch the slayer in round 2...no slayer replacement. Small odds, but that's our worst case scenario. Plus, the EC will get it's sleeper (unless it was SSH).
No, we have another route to protect the slayer. Let EC_Slayer order the hit (not on him/herself) this round. We have chances to hit EC1, EC2 or sleeper. If we hit EC1 or EC2, so that we're in danger of losing our slayer, let EC_Slayer order next round's hit also. Let EC_Slayer direct all hits until we have a ghost who's prepared to take over.

True, Gandalf. My point isn't that we have no way to protect the slayer, just no ghost counsel (which I think that we need).

I'm just not convinced that having EC_Slayer running the whole show is our best option. No offense to the slayer, I just like the fact that ghosts have no risks of being killed (since their already dead) and can add different view points to the lynching process by incorporating PM's from the living.

[Mulan]

If we hit an EC, GREAT! One down and one (possibly two) to go. But, we have no ghosts set up to protect our ONLY slayer. If we then lynch the slayer in round 2...no slayer replacement. Small odds, but that's our worst case scenario. Plus, the EC will get it's sleeper (unless it was SSH).
No, we have another route to protect the slayer. Let EC_Slayer order the hit (not on him/herself) this round. We have chances to hit EC1, EC2 or sleeper. If we hit EC1 or EC2, so that we're in danger of losing our slayer, let EC_Slayer order next round's hit also. Let EC_Slayer direct all hits until we have a ghost who's prepared to take over.

True, Gandalf. My point isn't that we have no way to protect the slayer, just no ghost counsel (which I think that we need).

I'm just not convinced that having EC_Slayer running the whole show is our best option. No offense to the slayer, I just like the fact that ghosts have no risks of being killed (since their already dead) and can add different view points to the lynching process by incorporating PM's from the living.Ghosts can still post their collective wisdom publicly though, right?

[Rocky]

As you said, EC1 seems like a gay male. NTTAWWT.

There is nothing I love more than long hard wizard wands. I don't think that alone makes me a gay male does it?

You can almost hear the lisp as EC1 types...

[snafu]

Mr. P,

Please clarify. If we knock off one of the EC this round and the Slayer then is killed, is there no replacement? Do it make a difference whether or not the EC sleeper was activated? If the EC sleeper is activated and there are then two EC members, shouldn't we get our slayer back?

[Mr. Penguin]

Mr. P,

Please clarify. If we knock off one of the EC this round and the Slayer then is killed, is there no replacement?
No.
Do it make a difference whether or not the EC sleeper was activated?
No.
If the EC sleeper is activated and there are then two EC members, shouldn't we get our slayer back?
No.

:D

More to the point, if the sleeper is ever activated, the students won't know until they (a) kill him or her or (b) kill both original EC and the game still continues.

[Rocky]

Ghosts can still post their collective wisdom publicly though, right?

Yes, they can.

What I learned last game is that it's not always the best strategy to have everything out in the open. I pushed for full disclosure, but 4sigma and Gandalf made valid points as to why that's not the best policy. That's why the ghost forum came about. Full disclosure to the ghosts only (where the EC can't see what's going on).

[snafu]

OK, with Mr. P's clarification, I think I now agree that it is most important to get a strong ghost council going. I still think Sunny is EC and will try to lynch her next round but will now change to the martyr 4Sigma camp.

Unvote: Sunny
Vote: 4Sigma

[Leela]

Unvote: 4Sigma

Since he wants more time.

Sunny and J.T.

[Gandalf]

4) On the 3% chance that 4sigma is the sleeper...I'd rather have him working for the students (as a ghost), than on the EC.
True, but if he is the sleeper it may not be all bad. He's vocal, unlike the new quiet Gandalf so he wouldn't be able to hide under a low profile. We would lose him as a valuable asset, but he isn't an especially dangerous threat.

I'm just not convinced that having EC_Slayer running the whole show is our best option. No offense to the slayer, I just like the fact that ghosts have no risks of being killed (since their already dead) and can add different view points to the lynching process by incorporating PM's from the living.I agree; ghosts are better since they can deliberate among themselves. In the very early going, with few ghosts to deliberate, EC_Slayer will do as well. Living players can safely PM thoughts to EC_Slayer, who is known to be a true student. I can't see wasting even a slim chance to hit EC1 or EC2 when I think 4Sigma is quite unlikely to be EC.

Just look at the posts of EC1 and EC2. Do you think 4Sigma could possibly appear so dumb, even if he tried? EC1 is impossible; EC2 is doubtful.

[Rocky]

Just look at the posts of EC1 and EC2. Do you think 4Sigma could possibly appear so dumb, even if he tried? EC1 is impossible; EC2 is doubtful.

Does 4sigma have a 4 month old baby that he could be using to type EC1's posts? Although at 4 months, I doubt that even Boy George sounded like as much of a flamer as EC1.

[Jables]

VOTE: JABLES

(It's always the ones you least suspect!)

Seriously, I don't know which bandwagon to hop on, Sunny or 4sigma... I may not get back on the forum in time if the lynching happens this afternoon, so I'm voting myself for the time being just so I don't come across as trying be quiet or slip under the radar.

[Sunny]

as far as I know there still exists a one-to-one relationship between the EC IDs and those I gave them to.
Funny you should mention one-to-one relationship.

OK, Sunny, go ahead and implement that plan you proposed in your PM. You offer your body to EC2 in exchange for the ids of EC1 and the sleeper. Without the password to the EC2 account, the others will never know who sold them out.

I agree with your decision to approach EC2. As you said, EC1 seems like a gay male. NTTAWWT.

:lol: Okie dokie.

[Mr. Penguin]

nm

[Kenshiro]

No, we have another route to protect the slayer. Let EC_Slayer order the hit (not on him/herself) this round. We have chances to hit EC1, EC2 or sleeper. If we hit EC1 or EC2, so that we're in danger of losing our slayer, let EC_Slayer order next round's hit also. Let EC_Slayer direct all hits until we have a ghost who's prepared to take over.

Each round the slayer should suggest someone to be lynched from among those who have already received votes. I'd imagine the slayer's opinion would carry a large amount of weight with the students, and most would change their votes accordingly. If a student does not, it certainly would be suggestive of being EC.

There's no need for a significant ghost influence. I think it's detrimental at this stage in the game. We have another, better, method to protect the slayer.

It will also remove one of our best ways to get clues about the EC's identity. We want them to kill threats. The only way they'll do this is if the threats are no longer threats after they're dead. Ghost's should be powerless voices at this stage of the game.

I still think we should lynch Mulan, but I will change my vote to Sunny if we need to kill someone. The logic for lynching 4sigma just doesn't make sense. It did in the last game, but the rules have changed.

[Cho Da]

Mulan,
I'm flattered, but I don't have nearly enough time to ooordinate a ghost council. If you really think I'm EC, then all I can say is that I haven't had nearly the time here to post as prolifically as the EC ids have.

Snafu,
Even more important than having someone to run the Ghost council, would be knocking off an EC. I'll move my vote back to Sunny once yours does.

Unvote: Sunny
Vote: Snafu

[J.T.]

Vote: snafu

Very suspicious. (geesh, I feel like Fallout).

[jadzia]

Mr. P,

When you give the next vote count, can you also please give the list of who voted. We could keep track of this but since you already are, it would seem a waste of time.

I will this time, but perhaps only this time. I think one of you students should be able to track this as well.



I'll keep track of the votes... so if anyone wants update, just ask !!!

[BC]

Has anyone selected Cho Da and Mulan yet?

[EC_Slayer]

We should keep our strongest players for now. When one EC is killed, a stronger ghost committee would be wise.

Lynch Oblomov.

[snafu]

We should keep our strongest players for now. When one EC is killed, a stronger ghost committee would be wise.

Lynch Oblomov.

Interesting. I'll go along.

Unvote: 4Sigma
Vote: Oblomov

[Mulan]

Me too, I guess? :-?

Unvote: Cho Da
Vote: Oblomov

[Will Durant]

:-?

It appears I'm not following the game.

Why Oblomov?

[Asynchronous]

Vote: Oblomov

Now this is what I call a blind lynching!

[Ebenezer Kohl]

Why Oblomov?
I think it unwise to have the slayer explain reasoning.

Unvote: 4sigma
Vote: Oblomov

[thing]

Actually, I figured, since Mr. P told us he was using Excel's random number generator to determine who would be EC, that I should be able to determine who is EC the same way. So I copied over the list, numbered us from 1-35, and used the formula round(rand()*35,0) to pick Sunny and Ultimate Anyone.

Sure, it could be a coincidence, but numbers don't lie.

[mole bait]And if you can't trust Excel's rand() function, who can you trust?[/mole bait]

[J.T.]

Unvote: Snafu
Vote: Oblomov

[Mulan]

OR you could be naming the slayer and the sleeper....

[Sunny]

Actually, I figured, since Mr. P told us he was using Excel's random number generator to determine who would be EC, that I should be able to determine who is EC the same way. So I copied over the list, numbered us from 1-35, and used the formula round(rand()*35,0) to pick Sunny and Ultimate Anyone.

Sure, it could be a coincidence, but numbers don't lie.

[mole bait]And if you can't trust Excel's rand() function, who can you trust?[/mole bait]

:lol:

I must say I'm on the one hand terribly flattered how popular I am as the choice of the EC pick, on the other hand saddened how the students can betray me. Because I am never anything but just an innocent student.

Anyways, I'll jump on the slayer's bandwagon, although I really am not sure why (it seems pretty random to me).

Vote: Oblomov

Do I need to unvote first? :-? I'm so lost on many of the rules here.

[Mr. Penguin]

Do I need to unvote first?

Yes, you do.

And I'm a stickler for rules.

[cubedbee]

Yes. Once you make a bolded vote in a round, you need to make a bolded unvote to change that vote.

I'm fine with the Slayer leadership for now.

Unvote: 4Sigma
Vote: Oblomov

[Kenshiro]

unvote: Mulan
Vote: Oblomov

For future lynchings, I'd much prefer (and I think it's better for the students) if the slayer choose someone who's already received votes.

[Leela]

Vote: Oblomov

Even though I don't understand the Slayer's choice, the Slayer is only one we can really trust right now.

[Leela]

For future lynchings, I'd much prefer (and I think it's better for the students) if the slayer choose someone who's already received votes.


I agree.

[Mulan]

unvote: Mulan
Vote: Oblomov

For future lynchings, I'd much prefer (and I think it's better for the students) if the slayer choose someone who's already received votes.I agree.

[Jables]

UNVOTE: JABLES
VOTE: OBLOMOV

Ok slayer, going with your intuition...

[cubedbee]

unvote: Mulan
Vote: Oblomov

For future lynchings, I'd much prefer (and I think it's better for the students) if the slayer choose someone who's already received votes.I agree.

Ditto. Unless the slayer has compelling evidence that someone we didn't vote for is definitley EC.

[Mulan]

Hey, Mr. P showed Oblomov with one vote a few pages back, so I guess he did have a vote. Though why Oblomov caught the slayers eye is anyone's guess.

[Sunny]

Unvote: 4sigma
Vote: Oblomov

[Hagbard Celine]

Unvote: Sunny
Vote: Oblomov

[Rocky]

There's no need for a significant ghost influence. I think it's detrimental at this stage in the game. We have another, better, method to protect the slayer.

Can you elaborate on this. How is it detrimental? Why is letting the slayer pick the next victim a "better" way?

It will also remove one of our best ways to get clues about the EC's identity. We want them to kill threats. The only way they'll do this is if the threats are no longer threats after they're dead. Ghost's should be powerless voices at this stage of the game.

The EC may not cooperate with what the students want. Last game, the hits seemed to be pretty random, or maybe more geared towards those that the EC should not have felt threatened by (Jables and Cubedbee may be able to confirm or deny).

The logic for lynching 4sigma just doesn't make sense. It did in the last game, but the rules have changed.

You may change your mind on this as the game goes on.

[Kaput Shakur]

I'm all for lynching Obie!

unvote: 4sigma
vote: Oblamov

[Sunny]

Question, about the orange quesses, if I want to guess again now, it wouldn't count? Also, we wouldn't know if we've guessed right until the end of the game?

[cubedbee]

The EC may not cooperate with what the students want. Last game, the hits seemed to be pretty random, or maybe more geared towards those that the EC should not have felt threatened by (Jables and Cubedbee may be able to confirm or deny).

I was EC by myself for most of last game since Jables died early, and I can confirmed that the killings were done pretty much randomly. I had absolutely no clue who the Slayer was, and was just hoping I would eventually get lucky. I actually picked J.T. because she had shown the pictures and I figured the students would get all upset when I took their hot woman in leather away from them.

[Sunny]

:lolup:

[RedSoxFan]

Actually, I figured, since Mr. P told us he was using Excel's random number generator to determine who would be EC, that I should be able to determine who is EC the same way. So I copied over the list, numbered us from 1-35, and used the formula round(rand()*35,0) to pick Sunny and Ultimate Anyone.

Sure, it could be a coincidence, but numbers don't lie.

[mole bait]And if you can't trust Excel's rand() function, who can you trust?[/mole bait]

I already did that, and came up with that same orange vote.

so you better orange-vote some other combo

[cubedbee]

It will also remove one of our best ways to get clues about the EC's identity. We want them to kill threats. The only way they'll do this is if the threats are no longer threats after they're dead. Ghost's should be powerless voices at this stage of the game.

I do believe Ken is correct here. One of the main reasons I was just killing randomly was that I knew that killing a student did not eliminate the information that student had from the game. If there had been no ghosts, I think I would have killed differently to tried to get rid of the people who had a good chance of figuring me out. I would still have used randomness and misdirection, but I think there would have been more clues from who I chose to kill.

[Gandalf]

Vote: Oblomov

[Ebenezer Kohl]

For future lynchings, I'd much prefer (and I think it's better for the students) if the slayer choose someone who's already received votes.I agree.
All Clear voted for Oblomov on page 14.

[Gandalf]

I had absolutely no clue who the Slayer was, and was just hoping I would eventually get lucky. I actually picked J.T. because she had shown the pictures and I figured the students would get all upset when I took their hot woman in leather away from them.
That was the reason? Well, it was still worth it to see the pictures.

After seeing the pictures, I was really hoping to get lucky. :D

[Sunny]

Ok, this is uncanny!

Alright, I think everybody should know this, that my mother has been dying in the hospital for the last week or two and I've not read the first six pages of this game thread till now (I didn't even know one student is killed already by the EC until right now). No wonder the students totally jumped on the bandwagon thinking I may be EC just because of my stupidest ditsy typo incident, because you were all waiting for EC1 and EC2 to mess up as they go in and out in these different IDs. :duh: And I'm sure the ECs are gloating over this.

Ok, now I don't think the students are that stupid, just jumping on the bandwagon etc.

Also, since it may be now much more powerful to stay alive as a student to get the EC, I think the EC might kill me soon because I actually did talk to EC1 in chat and have some ideas now who the ECs might be... Sorry I haven't really been keeping up with it, but I'm trying to figure this out now.

Also, another question I have for the slayer, why kill an innocent student? It appears to me just to lynch someone but not the most powerful players. I guess it is to not make the mistake of killing a strong player who is an innocent student. However, I'm not sure Oblomov isn't a strong player, he seemed pretty well positioned in being soo quiet.

Anyways, I might be out of the office here and there abruptly because of my mother. If I don't post in a day, which is rather unusual, and you see an EC post, you know it's not me. :D

But if the students/EC do choose to lynch/murder me, do I still get a chance to pm anybody my thoughts and guesses or when I am notified I can no longer communicate my theory?

[Tim><]

Unvote: Sunny
Vote: Oblomov

I bet the choice of target will have the EC thinking I am the slayer. :shake:

[Tim><]

I still think we should vote Sunny in round 2.

[Tim><]

And Gandalf in round 3.

[cubedbee]

But if the students/EC do choose to lynch/murder me, do I still get a chance to pm anybody my thoughts and guesses or when I am notified I can no longer communicate my theory?

When you are killed, you become a ghost. Ghosts are allowed to make public posts in this thread and to communicate in private with other ghosts. They are not allowed to communicate privately with any living students.

You should really spend less time chatting the with EC and more time reading the rules on page 1.

[Mr. Penguin]

Question, about the orange quesses, if I want to guess again now, it wouldn't count?
No, it wouldn't.
Also, we wouldn't know if we've guessed right until the end of the game?
Precisely.

But obviously if you make a guess and one of your choices proves not to be EC, it's time to update your guess.

[Will Durant]

Why Oblomov?
I think it unwise to have the slayer explain reasoning.
I agree. I just thought someone other than the slayer might have some idea as to why Oblomov came to the slayer's attention.

Especially since I still think Sunny really is EC (and just slipped up with her user id in her Death to the students post), so I was looking for some reason not to stick with my Sunny vote and go along with what seems to have become the consensus.

[Mr. Penguin]

Current tally:

Oblomov 15
4Sigma 5
Sunny 5
Gandalf 1

With 18 needed for lynching, we appear to be getting close.

[Mulan]

You should really spend less time chatting the with EC and more time reading the rules on page 1.Hey, Sunny, time to lynch Cubedbee, huh? :P

[Ebenezer Kohl]

I bet the choice of target will have the EC thinking I am the slayer. :shake:
I think it is bad form to give an indication you aren't the slayer. It should mean you are less likely to be hit by the EC.

[Mulan]

I bet the choice of target will have the EC thinking I am the slayer. :shake:
I think it is bad form to give an indication you aren't the slayer. It should mean you are less likely to be hit by the EC.What do you mean?

[Kenshiro]

mulan and rocky

[cubedbee]

I bet the choice of target will have the EC thinking I am the slayer. :shake:
I think it is bad form to give an indication you aren't the slayer. It should mean you are less likely to be hit by the EC.
Yes, but if he is the slayer, that's exactly what he wants.

[Sunny]

You should really spend less time chatting the with EC and more time reading the rules on page 1.

I am usually in chat, and EC1 came in just to chat with me, I can't do much about that.

Catching up on the rules and all the posts now. Frankly, I could barely keep up with the latest stupidest flurry of accusation on me, as opposed to catching up with the whole thing from the beginning. If only I didn't get so upset about that EC1 post saying death to the students and quoted his response in my passionate, heated moment. :roll:

All this is just unnecessary complications, just like what's happening to my mom. :viola:

[4sigma]

Well, it's not as easy to get myself lynched as I thought it was.

Since our EC_Slayer appears to have taken the reins for the moment, I will defer to his (her?) guidance.

Vote: Oblomovhttp://www.stopstart.fsnet.co.uk/smilie/hanged.gif

I can't wait to see the death scene. I expect it will involve the CIA, Tom Ridge, and Mossad.

(edited to include the lynching gif)

[cubedbee]

I'm sorry to hear about your mother. I was only kidding about the chat thing. However, it would be worthwhile for you to do a thorough reading of the rules when you have time. This game is a lot more complicated than it seems on the surface and if you want to plan good strategy you have to know all the subtleties.

[Gandalf]

Sorry to hear about your mother, Sunny.

Also, another question I have for the slayer, why kill an innocent student? It appears to me just to lynch someone but not the most powerful players. I guess it is to not make the mistake of killing a strong player who is an innocent student. However, I'm not sure Oblomov isn't a strong player, he seemed pretty well positioned in being soo quiet.
Whatever we do is probably wrong. By relying on the slayer, we avoid the error of killing our own slayer. We could kill no one, but that accomplishes nothing. At least this way we have a chance that an EC or the sleeper dies. If we leave the choices to the EC, it will always be an innocent student. At least with most ECs. These bumblers may have decided to choose victims at random and may kill each other.

Unless the slayer had a reason for suspecting Oblomov, it was just a "Hit the quiet ones" or maybe even "Hit at random". It's easier to form opinions about people who participate more. Right now, I'm inclined to think you and 4Sigma are innocent students, but if the two of you stay alive by the time there are only 7 or so left we'll have lots more evidence about you, and will have more definite opinions. If we let someone stay quiet until that point, we won't have any idea whether they are a quiet EC or a quiet student. Since quiet = hard to judge, get rid of the quiets.

But if the students/EC do choose to lynch/murder me, do I still get a chance to pm anybody my thoughts and guesses or when I am notified I can no longer communicate my theory?You could share your thoughts with other ghosts without restriction. You can, if you wish, put any of your thoughts into public posts. Once you know you are to be dead (when a majority of students have voted to lynch you, or when Mr. P notifies you that the EC or slayer has killed you), then you can no longer PM anything to living players.

[Will Durant]

If only I didn't get so upset about that EC1 post saying death to the students and quoted his response in my passionate, heated moment. :roll:
I really think the lady doth protest too loudly. The Slayer may have more info than I do, but the Slayer is also not infallible. I'm sticking with my first idea.

[Mulan]

I'm sorry to hear about your mother. I was only kidding about the chat thing. However, it would be worthwhile for you to do a thorough reading of the rules when you have time. This game is a lot more complicated than it seems on the surface and if you want to plan good strategy you have to know all the subtleties.(Sunny, I still say we should lynch him, even with the pretty apology... tee hee!!)

[Sunny]

I'm sorry to hear about your mother. I was only kidding about the chat thing. However, it would be worthwhile for you to do a thorough reading of the rules when you have time. This game is a lot more complicated than it seems on the surface and if you want to plan good strategy you have to know all the subtleties.(Sunny, I still say we should lynch him, even with the pretty apology... tee hee!!)

uh, no... I tend to not like to decide just by emotions. I have my theories, and am pm'ing those I trust as students about them. So people, check your pm's.

[Mulan]

If only I didn't get so upset about that EC1 post saying death to the students and quoted his response in my passionate, heated moment. :roll:
I really think the lady doth protest too loudly. The Slayer may have more info than I do, but the Slayer is also not infallible. I'm sticking with my first idea.My orange guess that Will is EC seems more prophetic. :wink: Death to the EC!!

Why wouldn't you want to go along with the slayer's choice? You can always kill Sunny in the next round.

[thing]

Sunny and Ultimate Anyone.

I already did that, and came up with that same orange vote.

so you better orange-vote some other combo

That strikes me as pretty conclusive! Congrats, and enjoy your stapler.

[Sunny]

I believe the EC wants me dead one way or another. So...

[jadzia]

Unvote : 4sigma
Vote : Oblomov

[Mr. Penguin]

Going, going.....

[Gandalf]

uh, no... I tend to not like to decide just by emotions. I have my theories, and am pm'ing those I trust as students about them. So people, check your pm's.
Darn it, Sunny. You need to be more careful about your typing. First you nearly get yourself lynched. Now you've sent that pm you intended for me to someone else.

[Sunny]

uh, no... I tend to not like to decide just by emotions. I have my theories, and am pm'ing those I trust as students about them. So people, check your pm's.
Darn it, Sunny. You need to be more careful about your typing. First you nearly get yourself lynched. Now you've sent that pm you intended for me to someone else.

:lol:

hey, thanks for believing me man...

(I am also possibly operating with very few hours of sleep, so... very impaired right now. ;))

[jadzia]

If only I didn't get so upset about that EC1 post saying death to the students and quoted his response in my passionate, heated moment. :roll:
I really think the lady doth protest too loudly. The Slayer may have more info than I do, but the Slayer is also not infallible. I'm sticking with my first idea.

Sunny did protest loudly. Was it just a passionate reaction or is she really an EC who made a mistake... I guess only time will tell us...

BTW, sorry about your mother Sunny.

[Sunny]

If only I didn't get so upset about that EC1 post saying death to the students and quoted his response in my passionate, heated moment. :roll:
I really think the lady doth protest too loudly. The Slayer may have more info than I do, but the Slayer is also not infallible. I'm sticking with my first idea.

Sunny did protest loudly. Was it just a passionate reaction or is she really an EC who made a mistake... I guess only time will tell us...

BTW, sorry about your mother Sunny.

Hey, thanks. I hope I last that long, I think the EC will kill me next. ;)

[Will Durant]

If only I didn't get so upset about that EC1 post saying death to the students and quoted his response in my passionate, heated moment. :roll:
I really think the lady doth protest too loudly. The Slayer may have more info than I do, but the Slayer is also not infallible. I'm sticking with my first idea.My orange guess that Will is EC seems more prophetic. :wink: Death to the EC!!

Why wouldn't you want to go along with the slayer's choice? You can always kill Sunny in the next round.
Because I don't understand it.

I'm going to political where I have some idea what's going on.

[Tim><]

Could I create an anonymous poll as to who are the EC? Or is this against the rules?

[Ultimate Anyone?]

Unvote: Sunny
Vote: Oblomov

[Mr. Penguin]

Could I create an anonymous poll as to who are the EC? Or is this against the rules?

Knock yourself out...

[Mr. Penguin]

....Gone!

[Tim><]

If I get killed, could I return as a cow?

[Mr. Penguin]

If I get killed, could I return as a cow?

I'm sorry, but I've hit my quote of answering rules questions for the day.

Try back tomorrow.

[Sunny]

:lolup:

is this a rule I've missed? :tfh:

[Jables]

I guess I was confused at first about the fact that we can make one stapler guess per round. Since I have no clue as to who is on the EC, I've gone with using Excel to randomly pick also...

jadzia, Ultimate Anyone?

[cubedbee]

OK, OK, OK. In fairness to all, EC1 and EC2 are EC. That was the very small twist in the game that I alluded to earlier.
Will you confirm publically EC_Slayer is legit? Do others have current access to these accounts?

EC-Slayer IS the real slayer. And in the event that there is a second (and so on) incarnation, the new slayer will inherit the ID, with PW changed.

Only myself and those I've given the IDs to have access. And I don't plan on using them or looking at PMs. I will only access the account in the event that there's a second slayer or if the sleeper is activated.

Is EC_Slayer allowed to PM students?

[J.T.]

I had absolutely no clue who the Slayer was, and was just hoping I would eventually get lucky. I actually picked J.T. because she had shown the pictures and I figured the students would get all upset when I took their hot woman in leather away from them.
That was the reason? Well, it was still worth it to see the pictures.

After seeing the pictures, I was really hoping to get lucky. :D

This is just wrong Cubedbee....are you telling me you didn't enjoy the pictures....I can't believe this is why you hit me..... :roll:

[Tim><]

If I get killed, could I return as a cow?

I'm sorry, but I've hit my quote of answering rules questions for the day.

Try back tomorrow.

According the rules, what is your quota?

[cubedbee]

I had absolutely no clue who the Slayer was, and was just hoping I would eventually get lucky. I actually picked J.T. because she had shown the pictures and I figured the students would get all upset when I took their hot woman in leather away from them.
That was the reason? Well, it was still worth it to see the pictures.

After seeing the pictures, I was really hoping to get lucky. :D

This is just wrong Cubedbee....are you telling me you didn't enjoy the pictures....I can't believe this is why you hit me..... :roll:

I loved the pictures. Still on my hard drive as a matter of fact. I was in my evil persona though, and killing such a lovely women was the evilest thing I could think of. :evil:

[J.T.]

I had absolutely no clue who the Slayer was, and was just hoping I would eventually get lucky. I actually picked J.T. because she had shown the pictures and I figured the students would get all upset when I took their hot woman in leather away from them.
That was the reason? Well, it was still worth it to see the pictures.

After seeing the pictures, I was really hoping to get lucky. :D

This is just wrong Cubedbee....are you telling me you didn't enjoy the pictures....I can't believe this is why you hit me..... :roll:

I loved the pictures. Still on my hard drive as a matter of fact. I was in my evil persona though, and killing such a lovely women was the evilest thing I could think of. :evil:

Ah, OK, but you must understand, I will not be able to publicly post pictures this thread, since that is what got me killed last time. :oops: I really can't believe that you killed me, since a majority of people thought that I was EC. I really thought you had me pegged as the slayer. (If you don't want to publicly say so, you can always PM (I might have a special picture for you :wink: )).

[Sunny]

I don't have any pictures, please don't slay me. :lol:

[Rocky]

Is EC_Slayer allowed to PM students?

As "live" students, EC_Slayer and EC1 (you know, the one with the rainbow colored avatar) and EC2 should be able to PM anyone they choose. That includes living and dead.

[Rocky]

I don't have any pictures, please don't slay me. :lol:

Vote: Sunny

yes, I know that Oblomov is working on his death scene, but...

I'll change it if she comes up with some pictures :D

[Mr. Penguin]

If I get killed, could I return as a cow?

I'm sorry, but I've hit my quote of answering rules questions for the day.

Try back tomorrow.

According the rules, what is your quota?

Nice try.

:lol:

[Sunny]

I don't have any pictures, please don't slay me. :lol:

Vote: Sunny

yes, I know that Oblomov is working on his death scene, but...

I'll change it if she comes up with some pictures :D

Are you flirting with me now? ;)

[4sigma]

Wow, this game is moving fast. I believe it took 34 pages before the first Exam Committee thread went to flirt. :shake:

Of course, we also had about 10 people dead by then.

[Rocky]

I don't have any pictures, please don't slay me. :lol:

Vote: Sunny

yes, I know that Oblomov is working on his death scene, but...

I'll change it if she comes up with some pictures :D

Are you flirting with me now? ;)

"Now"...it started back in the last game, right after RSF's death scene (so much for the "hit her over the head with a club" subtle approach)... :bighug:

[Rocky]

Wow, this game is moving fast. I believe it took 34 pages before the first Exam Committee thread went to flirt. :shake:

Of course, we also had about 10 people dead by then.

I don't know, EC1 was trying to lay the shmoooove lines on Gandalf earlier...

Last game, once J.T. was gone...what was the point of flirting?

[Mr. Penguin]

Wow, this game is moving fast. I believe it took 34 pages before the first Exam Committee thread went to flirt. :shake:

Of course, we also had about 10 people dead by then.

We're on Page 19 and the first round isn't even over yet. This sucker should top out at over 100 pages easily.

Hey poker freaks!

:moon2:

[Gandalf]

We're on Page 19 and the first round isn't even over yet. This sucker should top out at over 100 pages easily.Even if Oblomov is not EC, this game may be over after the second round.

[Rocky]

....Gone!

Oblomov = dead


Discuss.

[snafu]

Oblomov,

Don't forget, blood makes for a good death scene

[Jables]

Discuss.

What's to discuss? The majority of us did what the slayer told us to...
Not much to discuss until we know if Oblomov was innocent or not.

[Tim><]

:bump:

[Rocky]

Discuss.

What's to discuss? The majority of us did what the slayer told us to...
Not much to discuss until we know if Oblomov was innocent or not.

It's a joke...below is one of a handful of examples of Oblomov wandering into the depths of the Reef...his usual M.O. was to end with "discuss".

http://actuary.ca/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=26124&highlight=discuss

[4sigma]

:bump:The thread sits for 13 minutes and you bump it?!?! Go pad your post count in the reef, please. This thread is already plenty long enough from germane material.

Rocky, I did get the joke about Oblomov. I wonder if he knows that he's dead yet. Perhaps someone should PM him that he needs to come over here and post his death scene.

[Tim><]

Un-:bump:

[Mr. Penguin]

I wonder if he knows that he's dead yet. Perhaps someone should PM him that he needs to come over here and post his death scene.

I always PM players as soon as a consensus is reached. He hasn't opened it and he hasn't posted since this morning. If he doesn't post his death scene by tomorrow morning, I'll post one for him.

[Rocky]

I wonder if he knows that he's dead yet. Perhaps someone should PM him that he needs to come over here and post his death scene.

I always PM players as soon as a consensus is reached. He hasn't opened it and he hasn't posted since this morning. If he doesn't post his death scene by tomorrow morning, I'll post one for him.

Did you PM it to his EC2 ID as well? :D

[Rocky]

Folks, I'm going to be on vacation from 5/28 - 6/1. I'll be back on 6/2. If I'm lynched/killed in the meantime, I'll put the burden of a death scene on our trusty Mr. P.'s shoulders.

Keep up the good speculation.

and DEATH TO THE EC! :burn:

[Macroman]

If I get killed, could I return as a cow?

I'm sorry, but I've hit my quote of answering rules questions for the day.

Try back tomorrow.

I vote that if Karma gets killed, he can't return at all...

[RedSoxFan]

I don't have any pictures, please don't slay me. :lol:

Vote: Sunny

yes, I know that Oblomov is working on his death scene, but...

I'll change it if she comes up with some pictures :D

Are you flirting with me now? ;)

"Now"...it started back in the last game, right after RSF's death scene (so much for the "hit her over the head with a club" subtle approach)... :bighug:

You went after my Sunny (http://actuary.ca/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=26362&amp;postdays=0&amp;postorder=asc&amp;hig hlight=exam+comittee+redsoxfan&amp;start=1507) after I was slain??? How dare you!

[Werewolf]

It looks like it's too late to change my vote and have it mean something.

(It's not too late to pad my post count with an unnecessary post.)

[jadzia]

Since the second with the most vote had only 5, I don't think your vote would have changed anything...

[Gandalf]

Mr. P,

Do you think you should notify EC1 and EC2 by PM whether Oblomov was EC? So that they have time to plan an effective taunt if it turns out he wasn't.

[Mr. Penguin]

It was a dark and stormy night as old friends 2pac Shakur, duncan idaho, Oblomov and fallout sat down to play their weekly game of Clue. It was always a good time as they sat around and drank their Beaujolais Nouveau while laughing about their latest hijinks in the Political arena. "If they only knew the truth about us", said duncan. "After all, I am a Kennedy."

"And I am the love child of Spiro Agnew and Anita Bryant", declared 2pac!

As the game progressed, the players were getting closer and closer to finding the killer of Mr. Boddie. All of a sudden, the lights went out and the door flung open. There stood the posse of students, noose in hand. Before any of his good friends could stop them, Oblomov was quickly strung up the students chanting over and over, "DEATH TO THE EC!" While Oblomov's lifeless corpse was left swinging from the rafters, the students filed out with stoic expressions on their faces. But deep inside, two of them were filled with overwhelming glee.

For Oblomov was an innocent student.

[BC]

So Oblomov was killed in the card room by the students with the rope?

[snafu]

"And I am the love child of Spiro Agnew and Anita Bryant", declared 2pac!

:notworth: :rofl: :notworth: :rofl: :notworth: :rofl: :notworth: :rofl:

[Sunny]

Awwww, poor Oblomov, and he didn't even know he's dead yet, right, cuz penguini wrote the death scene? :cry:

[Gandalf]

But deep inside, two of them were filled with overwhelming glee.

For Oblomov was an innocent student.
Sorry to lose you, Oblomov. You will be avenged. DEATH TO THE EC!

Did Mr. P give us bad news, but a clue? Would the EC be gleeful had the sleeper been lynched?

Or can we infer nothing, since these two EC are so clueless they may have forgotten who the sleeper is?

[Sunny]

Question, if a student killed was a sleeper, he wouldn't be an innocent student and we would know he's a sleeper when he's dead right?

[Maine-iac]

Cripes! Away from the board for one afternoon and I miss the whole Oblomov bandwagon!

DEATH TO THE EC!

[Gandalf]

Question, if a student killed was a sleeper, he wouldn't be an innocent student and we would know he's a sleeper when he's dead right?

In addition, there will be one EC "sleeper agent" chosen. The EC members will know who this is, but the sleeper themselves won't. Upon the death of the first EC member, the "sleeper" will be activated, providing they haven't already been killed. However, the students will not know if there is an active sleeper or not. Provided there is one, they will then conspire as the newest member of the EC.
If we were told if the sleeper were killed, then we (being capable of more sophisticated reasoning than those ECs seem to have) would know upon death of the first EC whether there was an active sleeper.

Mr. P reconfirmed this in some subsequent post.

If someone wants to be judgmental, in my opinion a sleeper who is killed before activation is indeed an innocent student entitled to joys in the hereafter. A sleeper who is activated is EC scum, unless he immediately upon activation announces his status and who his EC counterpart is. The recanting sleeper must still be put to death, but humanely.

[Mr. Penguin]

So Oblomov was killed in the card room by the students with the rope?

Exactly. :)

Awwww, poor Oblomov, and he didn't even know he's dead yet, right, cuz penguini wrote the death scene? :cry:

He knows. I sent him a PM and he opened it. But he also changed his username to Oblomov retired (student) and from that I make the grand inference that he's retired (at least for now) from the forum.

[urysohn]

I would assume that's a reference to his deadness, not an absence from the forum, "retired" being used in the more permanent sense. But only his lack of posting would tell us for sure.