Beneath the Planet of the Exam Committee

[Leela]

The ghosts have come to a decision. We think you should lynch snafu. We apologize in advance if you are an innocent student.

[snafu]

(I already submitted my vote for this round right?)

Yes you voted for Gandalf.
But I'm sure you will manage to hop onto whichever bandwagon has the best chance of keeping your delicate EC neck out of the http://www.stopstart.fsnet.co.uk/smilie/hanged.gif

:kiss:

[snafu]

:party:

I get to be a ghost, yeh
I get to be a ghost

VOTE: snafu

[cubedbee]

The ghosts have spoken.

Unvote: Gandalf
Vote: snafu

[snafu]

come on Sunny, vote for me
'Cause once I'm known as an innocent student and a trusted ghost
I'm coming for you!!!


:swear: http://www.stopstart.fsnet.co.uk/smilie/hanged.gifDEATH TO THE EXAM COMMITTEE http://www.stopstart.fsnet.co.uk/smilie/hanged.gif:swear:


http://www.stopstart.fsnet.co.uk/smilie/hanged.gif snafu R.I.P.

[Jables]

My personal vote would be for Avi, but going with the ghost consensus...

VOTE: snafu

[J.T.]

Vote: Snafu

[Gandalf]

Vote: snafu (even tho he was one of the ones I PMed to the ghosts as probably innocent student)

[Klaymen]

Vote: snafu

[RedSoxFan]

Vote: Snafu

[jadzia]

Vote : snafu

[Maine-iac]

Vote: Snafu

[Leela]

(even tho he was one of the ones I PMed to the ghosts as probably innocent student)

Sorry Gandalf. That pm got kind of lost in the shuffle. I am going to start a new thread in the Ghost Forum that is dedicated to keeping a list of who thinks which players are innocent or EC. So, if people would like to send me their list of most likely innocent and most likely EC, that would be great.

I can't promise that we'll follow everyone's list, but it would really help us out.

[Sunny]

come on Sunny, vote for me
'Cause once I'm known as an innocent student and a trusted ghost
I'm coming for you!!!


:swear: http://www.stopstart.fsnet.co.uk/smilie/hanged.gifDEATH TO THE EXAM COMMITTEE http://www.stopstart.fsnet.co.uk/smilie/hanged.gif:swear:


http://www.stopstart.fsnet.co.uk/smilie/hanged.gif snafu R.I.P.
:lol:

Ok.

Unvote: Gandalf
Vote: Snafu

;)

[Gandalf]

It might not have mattered anyway. I listed snafu as probably innocent, but didn't list a reason (lazy; I thought maybe I had listed a reason in an earlier PM and didn't go back to check). The reason I had in mind suggested innocence but was by no means conclusive. I'm hoping your choice is right or he's the sleeper.

Ghosts should give greater weight to thoughts where reasons are given, especially if the reasons make sense to the ghosts.

And I appreciate your problems. Ghosts, led by me, lynched duodenum in the last game, overlooking a PM from 4Sigma that should have given us a good reason not to.

[snafu]

And I appreciate your problems. Ghosts, led by me, lynched duodenum in the last game, overlooking a PM from 4Sigma that should have given us a good reason not to.

Gandalf, can you elaborate more on what the good reason was?

[Avi]

Vote: snafu

[Kaput Shakur]

Unvote: Gandalf
Vote : snafu

[snafu]

Please hold the voting for 30 minute in order to allow me to complete some PMs.

[Gandalf]

Unvote: snafu, temporarily

[Sunny]

Ok.

Unvote: Snafu

Snafu, I actually think you're innocent too, despite your accusations. ;)

[snafu]

OK, feel free to proceed with the lynching. Thank you for the extra time.

[All Clear]

I'm not sure I trust anything that Captain Morgan has to do with... Still, Vote: Snafu

[Sunny]

Vote: Snafu

[Asynchronous]

Vote: Snafu

[Ebenezer Kohl]

Unvote: Will Durant
Vote: snafu

[Mulan]

Unvote: Will Durant
Vote: snafu
Alas, since I think Cho Da and Will are EC, I have to just hold on to the notion that snafu was the sleeper! (If he is EC, I'll really be shocked! I TRUSTED him!)

[Will Durant]

Unvote: Mulan :swear:

vote: snafu

[Gandalf]

Vote: snafu

[Mulan]

I think Will's ( :swear: ) or mine put snafu out of his misery....maybe he'll post his death scene soon and we can all see if our trust was misplaced or not.....

[snafu]

So I'm sitting on the beach after a long day at work and my student friends show up for a visit to my little island paradise. "Hey gang, how's it going." I say, "Did you remember to bring Traveling Elmo. I've got big plans to get Elmo's picture taken with the Limbo Queen."

The strange gleam in their eyes goes unnoticed.

That night at dinner, as we watch the Limbo Queen limbo under a 12 inch flaming bar, the group encourages me to take Elmo up for a picture. As I approach the Limbo Queen, I can vaguely hear chanting in the distance. The chanting suddenly gets louder and seems to turn angry as my fellow students start yelling, "Death to EC! Death to snafu!"

As I look up, my fellow students rush me. My protests unheeded, I am bound and strung up (with the help of the stilt walkers). Hanging helplessly, I see the smile on Sunny's face as she blows me a kiss and whispers "Don't mess with the EC" or maybe "Sorry you didn't get to go snorkling with me." All the noise makes it hard to hear clearly.

My last thoughts were that I never did get that picture of Elmo taken and that, alas, another innocent student is lynched.

[jadzia]

Here are how the players have voted this round:

Name - Round 1 vote - Round 2
4sigma - Oblomov
Ahow - Sunny
All Clear - Oblomov - snafu
Anonymouse - None - snafu
Asynchronous - Oblomov - snafu
Avi - None - Gandalf
BC - 4sigma - Will Durant
Butters - None - Avi
Cho Da - Butters / Rocky / Sunny / snafu - snafu
CubedBee - 4sigma / Oblomov - Gandalf/ snafu Ebenezer Kohl - Sunny / 4sigma / Oblomov - Will Durant/ snafu
Gandalf - Oblomov - Snafu
Hagbard Celine - Sunny / Oblomov - none
J.T. - snafu / Oblomov - snafu
Jables - Jables / Oblomov - Snafu
jadzia - 4sigma / Oblomov - Snafu
Kaput Shakur - 4sigma / Oblomov - Gandalf / snafu
karma police - Gandalf / Sunny / Oblomov - Sunny/Gandalf
Kenshiro - Mulan / Oblomov - Avi
Leela - 4sigma / Oblomov - Dead
Macroman - None
Maine-iac - Sunny - Snafu
Mulan - Kenshiro / Sunny / Cho Da / Oblomov - Will Durant/snafu
Oblomov - None - Dead
RedSoxFan - 4sigma - Snafu
Rocky - 4sigma / Sunny - none
snafu - Gandalf / Sunny / 4sigma / Oblomov - snafu - dead
stu - None - Dead
Sunny - Mulan / karma police / 4sigma / Oblomov - Gandalf/Snafu
Super Silver Haze - Dead
thing - Gandalf / 4sigma - Avi
Traina - Sunny - none
Ultimate Anyone - Sunny / Oblomov - none
Werewolf - 4sigma - none
Will Durant - Kenshiro / Sunny - Mulan / snafu

I put in blue the current votes... Feel free to correct me if I made some mistakes !!!

[snafu]

As a ghost now, I can no longer PM so will reply in public to my last received PM.

To the person who sent me the following:
xxx xxxx xx xx xxxx survive xxx xxx xxx xx. xxxxxx xxxxxxx xxxxx. You have lost the game.

You are wrong. My innocence is confirmed and my request stands.

Edited at the request of the original sender.

[Sunny]

Hanging helplessly, I see the smile on Sunny's face as she blows me a kiss and whispers "Don't mess with the EC" or maybe "Sorry you didn't get to go snorkling with me." All the noise makes it hard to hear clearly.
:lol:

To be sure, if you only knew, I am just an innocent student that wish I could be that deathly sexy!!

:rofl:

Good one, Snafu.

[Gandalf]

Vote: snafuWelcome back to the game, Anonymouse. That was your first post in this thread since signing up, I think. A suggestion: comment more on other players. Goodness knows, there's enough inanity here that something is worthy of note.

Quiet students are indistinguishable from quiet EC. Quiet EC are a threat that must be killed.

[BC]

It's a theoretical computation machine that really smart and nerdy people like to talk about to make everyone else feel dumb.

It's based on the theory of Alan Turing that if you placed a person in front of two terminals, one linked to a human being and one linked to a sufficiently complex machine, there would no way for the original person to determine which terminal linked to which by simply "chatting" with it....Technically I believe this is the description of the "Turing Test" rather than a "Turing Machine." The Turing machine I understand to be a theoretical machine that performs logical operations by reading and writing to a "ticker tape" with a limited number of symbols on it. The idea being to program the machine to do various things like multiply two numbers together, determine if a number is prime, etc.

Seriously, though, you might enjoy reading "Godel, Escher, Bach" by Douglas Hofstadter. It deals with philosophy of mind, logic, and includes music and art. I read it more than 15 years ago (loaned) and still sometimes wish I had bought it. I see it in Borders every now and again and my hand slides unconsiously toward my wallet.Next time, slide your hand consciously toward your wallet. (If you have consciousness, unlike a Turing machine?) This is a great book. Especially if you also enjoy Bach and/or Escher. Or tortoises.

I stand corrected. It's been awhile since I've read it...

I will also suggest adding "The Mind's I", a collection of essays edited by Hofstadter, if you make it through GEB still interested in philosophy of mind.

[Cho Da]

Sorry to see you go snafu, but I fail to see the benefit of sacrificing yourself instead of voting for and advocating for the two your are convinced are EC. It's time to make your suspicions known. They can't kill you twice.

[Sunny]

I will also suggest adding "The Mind's I", a collection of essays edited by Hofstadter, if you make it through GEB still interested in philosophy of mind.

I'll wait until I finished the Hofstadter book, I've already placed my order.

[Butters]

Sorry to see you go, snafu. I had a feeling you were innocent. Too bad the ghosts didn't.

Next time I'll have to check in earlier. I keep missing out on the lynchings!

I guess we'll see who the slayer kills next.

[snafu]

Whooooooooo
Whooooooooo

Hey, has anyone seem that Ghost Forum I heard about?

I'm feeling a little disembodied here.

Whooooooooo
Whooooooooo

[Leela]

Whooooooooo
Whooooooooo

Hey, has anyone seem that Ghost Forum I heard about?

I'm feeling a little disembodied here.

Whooooooooo
Whooooooooo

I just sent you a pm. I hope there are no hard feelings. We are looking forward to having you help us sift through all the clues.

[Klaymen]

Vote: snafuA suggestion: comment more on other players.

What do you want me to say?
"That's a nice hat, you're wearing, Gandalf"?

Is the purpose of this game to blab like idiots until someone accidentally divulges a clue?
:roll:
Should we talk about the weather?
Should we talk about the government?

[Mulan]

Slay Butters!! "you want Butter with that?" Tee hee

(I realize this post makes no sense btw)

[Ebenezer Kohl]

Tee hee
Makes me want to vote you out every time. :shake:

Great death scene, snafu! :D

[urysohn]

Is the purpose of this game to blab like idiots until someone accidentally divulges a clue?

That pretty much sums it up, I think. :D

[Gandalf]

What do you want me to say?
"That's a nice hat, you're wearing, Gandalf"?
Why thank you, but I was hoping it was J.T., Leela, or any of the other females here that would be attracted by it.

Is the purpose of this game to blab like idiots until someone accidentally divulges a clue?More or less. Ideally, you blab as if you had a clue, the guilty EC is afraid you have a clue, he says something in attempt to throw you off, and in the process gives himself away.

or the guilty EC, to avoid the risk of giving himself away, tries to maintain a very low profile, a scheme the players must defeat by blabbing

Try not to sound too much like an idiot when you blab, or we will think you are EC1.

[Sunny]

Try not to sound too much like an idiot when you blab, or we will think you are EC1.
:lol:

[Mulan]

Tee hee
Makes me want to vote you out every time. :shake:
Go for it.

[Leela]

What do you want me to say?
"That's a nice hat, you're wearing, Gandalf"?
Why thank you, but I was hoping it was J.T., Leela, or any of the other females here that would be attracted by it.



You know, I was getting ready to comment on it before the EC so tragically killed me. :wink:

[EC1]

I shall enjoy my stapler. Continue on with your witless prattle.

[urysohn]

witless prattle.
"witless prattle"?? If that's not Avi, then EC1 is doing a fine job of setting him up to take the fall. :o

[Gandalf]

What do you want me to say?
"That's a nice hat, you're wearing, Gandalf"?
Why thank you, but I was hoping it was J.T., Leela, or any of the other females here that would be attracted by it.
You know, I was getting ready to comment on it before the EC so tragically killed me. :wink:
This could be important. Think back. Did you tell anyone you were planning to comment on it? Maine-iac? Mulan? Sunny? EC1? You may have been killed because someone wanted to eliminate a rival for my affections.

[Leela]

What do you want me to say?
"That's a nice hat, you're wearing, Gandalf"?
Why thank you, but I was hoping it was J.T., Leela, or any of the other females here that would be attracted by it.
You know, I was getting ready to comment on it before the EC so tragically killed me. :wink:
This could be important. Think back. Did you tell anyone you were planning to comment on it? Maine-iac? Mulan? Sunny? EC1? You may have been killed because someone wanted to eliminate a rival for my affections.

Well, it's pretty well known that your hat is a female magnet. But it would have to be someone who doesn't realize there is enough wizard to go around. Can you think of anyone who would fit that description?

[Avi]

I will also suggest adding "The Mind's I", a collection of essays edited by Hofstadter, if you make it through GEB still interested in philosophy of mind. As mentioned before, I highly recommend his collection of pieces from SciAm (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0465045669/102-5684664-5800120?v=glance). He was excellent.

Edited for grammar.

[Avi]

witless prattle.
"witless prattle"?? If that's not Avi, then EC1 is doing a fine job of setting him up to take the fall. :o :swear:
My prattle is full of wits!

:P

[Sunny]

What do you want me to say?
"That's a nice hat, you're wearing, Gandalf"?
Why thank you, but I was hoping it was J.T., Leela, or any of the other females here that would be attracted by it.
You know, I was getting ready to comment on it before the EC so tragically killed me. :wink:
This could be important. Think back. Did you tell anyone you were planning to comment on it? Maine-iac? Mulan? Sunny? EC1? You may have been killed because someone wanted to eliminate a rival for my affections.

:lol:

[Mulan]

Um... Slayer... over here... Batter, batter, batter, batter..... SWING! (Follow my advice and you can't go wrong.... :) )

[cubedbee]

Hanging helplessly, I see the smile on Sunny's face as she blows me a kiss and whispers "Don't mess with the EC" or maybe "Sorry you didn't get to go snorkling with me." All the noise makes it hard to hear clearly.
:lol:

To be sure, if you only knew, I am just an innocent student that wish I could be that deathly sexy!!

:rofl:

Good one, Snafu.

:rofl: :lolup: :rofl: :lolup:

Great line there.

[Sunny]

yw

:oops:

[Rocky]

I'm back in the game...

I've read through all the posts, but I'm not sure that I'm any closer to the truth (although EC1 appears to have come out of his technicolor closet). I'll be sending a PM to EC_Slayer with some innocent/guilty party candidates.

A couple of things that I wanted to comment on.

1) Some folks seem to suspect Gandalf. My take is that Gandalf is acting a little differently than last game, where he seemed more likely to be EC. He's got a great grip on strategy, and should be considered a big plus for the student side until he proves otherwise.

2) All Clear seems to be honed in this game. A couple of good observations in earlier posts. I'm not saying this makes him more or less likely to be EC, but it's good to see the insight.

I think that snafu did seem more likely to be EC. Great death scene.

Now EC_Slayer...ready, AIM, FIRE! Let's see an EC take a dirt nap...

[4sigma]

Vote: snafuWelcome back to the game, Anonymouse. That was your first post in this thread since signing up, I think. A suggestion: comment more on other players. Goodness knows, there's enough inanity here that something is worthy of note.

Quiet students are indistinguishable from quiet EC. Quiet EC are a threat that must be killed.In defense of Anonymouse, he appears to have been at a bridge tournament all weekend in an effort to reach Life Master, if the Bridge (http://actuary.ca/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=29360&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=26) thread is to be believed. Being a bridge player myself, I can understand why he would not want to sift through twenty-some-odd pages of Exam Committee thread while trying to keep focused on bridge. I consider Anonymouse to have been accounted for during the holiday weekend. But I agree he needs to get up to speed now and start providing some sequitur commentary.

[Gandalf]

I can accept that explanation for the holiday weekend, but his posting gap in this thread was from May 13 until today. I'm not suggesting we should lynch him or anyone else for having been quiet, but we've got to keep our eyes on the quiet ones. No one's going to convince me of his innocence by keeping his mouth shut.

[Butters]

Why haven't we heard from the slayer's victim? Let's hope it's EC!

[Mulan]

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[4sigma]

Why haven't we heard from the slayer's victim? Let's hope it's EC!Haven't you gotten the PM yet?If you don't see it, check under your EC2 ID.

[Ebenezer Kohl]

I can accept that explanation for the holiday weekend, but his posting gap in this thread was from May 13 until today.
The game began last Monday, May 24, when SSH was hit, so extending the posting gap eleven days seems unreasonable. Anonymouse missed one week and didn't post an excuse, which appears valid.

[Ebenezer Kohl]

Anything that involves leather pictures of J.T., I'm in for.

[Good intentions]I'm going to try the quiet strategy this time.
Maybe Anonymouse took your advice. :roll:

[Will Durant]

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Why? Very suspicious!

[Klaymen]

Being a bridge player myself, I can understand why he would not want to sift through twenty-some-odd pages of Exam Committee thread while trying to keep focused on bridge. I consider Anonymouse to have been accounted for during the holiday weekend. But I agree he needs to get up to speed now and start providing some sequitur commentary.

Honestly, the pages and pages of rambling and conspiracy theories don't interest me; they lack substance enough that they almost begin to seem as lame as the WC Chicks thread. I'm going to lay low this game and wait until it gets more interesting, and if it bothers you go ahead and vote me off the island. To try and encourage you not to do so, some chess players will probably concur that my enthusiasm for continual chess has also waned and I am playing less. You'll hear from me a little more now.

I was also curious how long it would take anyone to notice :)

[Super Silver Haze]

I think that snafu did seem more likely to be EC.

Well, I'm glad SOMEONE else thought so. Geez. :)

I need to change my stapler vote now, so:

4sigma and Gandalf

[Macroman]

Vote: snafuA suggestion: comment more on other players.

What do you want me to say?
"That's a nice hat, you're wearing, Gandalf"?

Is the purpose of this game to blab like idiots until someone accidentally divulges a clue?
:roll:
Should we talk about the weather?
Should we talk about the government?

By George, I think he's got it!

[Macroman]

....

Honestly, the pages and pages of rambling and conspiracy theories don't interest me; they lack substance enough that they almost begin to seem as lame as the WC Chicks thread. I'm going to lay low this game and wait until it gets more interesting, and if it bothers you go ahead and vote me off the island. To try and encourage you not to do so, some chess players will probably concur that my enthusiasm for continual chess has also waned and I am playing less. You'll hear from me a little more now.

I was also curious how long it would take anyone to notice :)

I have to agree about these early round conspiracy theories. Unfortunately, that's the only way we have to get to the more refined later round conspiracy theories, which might actually amount to something.

I can vouch for the fact that Anonymouse conceded our final two
RF Cup 3 games with me without making a move (a fact that I hasn't even posted to the relevant thread).

[jadzia]

Glad to hear from you Macroman... I though you didn't follow the game at all...

[Macroman]

Glad to hear from you Macroman... I though you didn't follow the game at all...

I don't generally post from work and only read the forum on lunch. I've read almost the entire thread but really haven't had much to say.

Unless the ghosts announce the intended lynchee at night I usually miss out on voting....oh yeah

VOTE: Snafu

That was really relevant! Sorry Snafu, I bet you'll be a killer ghost.

[Werewolf]

Ah well, missed my chance to vote for snafu, and he was even one of my stapler picks. It really wouldn't have mattered, with the super-sized bandwagon following the ghosts' suggestion.

I guess that means I need to change my stapler vote: Sunny and Cho Da

Obligatory: Death to the EC!

[Super Silver Haze]

Just wanted to get something cleared up here...

I'd assumed that when us ghosts chose someone for the students to lynch, it had to be someone who'd already gotten at least one lynching vote in that round. People seemed to feel that way in round one, when the slayer chose Oblomov for the students to lynch, and I think that's the way it worked in the last game too.

However, in hindsight, I'm realizing that there were several people who sent us some names in PMs that they suspected, and then didn't vote for them. Some of the most prolific PMers didn't even cast a lynch vote at all until Leela suggested snafu.

Admittedly, it's not as if I wanted to lynch someone who didn't get a vote, as snafu was my #1 EC pick at that time. I was basing that on the fact that several people had at least mentioned him as being suspicious, plus there was a combination of things in the PMs that made him look even more suspicious to me (which turned out to be wrong, obviously). So I'm definitely not trying to pin the blame on the students here, and I realize it's kind of expected that we'll hit a few innocent people. I just want to get things straight for future rounds.

It's understandable that someone might want to keep their EC picks out of the public eye, and thus wouldn't cast lynch votes for them unless they were told to by us ghosts, but does that mean we can choose whoever we want to be lynched, even if it might seem like our pick is coming totally out of left field? Or should we maybe have waited a little longer to post our pick, closer to the Wednesday noon deadline we were given, so that more living students could get their preliminary lynch votes in?

I personally would lean towards only letting us pick students that have gotten at least one lynch vote that round, just because I can see the Ghost Forum becoming a bit of a mess when there's eight or nine people in there and we have twenty-five or so names to choose from. If we put that restriction on things, it at least narrows our choices down. But that means that if you want to see someone lynched, you would have to open up the option for us to do it by casting a vote for them.

Any thoughts? Comments? Insults? :)

[jadzia]

I think you can pick whoever you want, no matter there where vote on that person or not. In the case of no previous votes, you could mention you received some PM...

Of course, if the ghosts would rather pick someone which already has a vote, just say so...

In that case, the preliminary vote would be a lot more important. I didn't vote earlier in round two since I wanted to follow the ghost's advice. I'll probably vote earlier in next round if that's what ghost would like.

[Macroman]

I have one caveat with the ghosts being forced to select someone with votes. I don't want to give the suspicious (or the real EC) too many clues that they are being suspicious. It can cause people to alter their behavior in ways that are not conducive to the detective work that we need to do.
Also, it's likely if suspicions are witheld from the public forum that the EC will get rid of some of the suspicious characters for us. Lastly, sometimes you may have valid suspicions but just not want to undermine a relationship with someone you have suspicions about during the game. PM's to the ghosts played an extremely valuable part of the last game.

I don't have any problem with selecting from among a small group, I think that is what puts the pressure on the EC to make mistakes.

[Gandalf]

It is rather a mess with so many players and so many potential lynchees. The convention used in the past game was to make suggestions, not official votes, in red. Thus, earlier in this round OK, I like 4Sigma's approach so here are my suggestions

Sunny I've stated my case elsewhere. She is EC1. She needs to be staked. Don't let the pretty face fool you. It's just a ploy.

Macroman for nonparticipation. Hasn't posted or voted that I can tell. If you don't participate, you don't give information and should get eliminated.

BC who was a little quick to deflate the lynch Sunny bandwagon by jumping on the martyr 4Sigma bandwagon

snafu what the hell. I know I'm not EC but have just as good a chance as anyone else of being the sleeper (moreso if Maine-iac's theory about the sleeper being a he is correct). Also, I think it might be fun to be a ghost and get to see what everyone else is thinking strategy-wise. I ain't afraid of no ghost.
Based on that, there was a formal suggestion that the ghosts at least consider Sunny, Macroman, BC and snafu. After that, it wouldn't be totally out of left field for the ghosts to choose any of those four.

If the ghosts think it would be better to limit consideration to players with actual votes, that would work too. In fact, it has the advantage that the EC may feel more need to defend themselves if they are among a short list of potential lynchees.

One thing we don't want is for the ghosts to routinely choose the person with the most votes unless they feel strongly to the contrary. E.g., Mulan has 12 votes, Will Durant has 5, a handful of others only 3. We don't want the EC to be able to conclude, if the ghosts don't hit Mulan, "They must be strongly convinced she is innocent" or else "She must be the slayer"; if the EC can be sure of that they will kill her. So the ghosts should hit the person (among the possibles) they think most likely EC, or flip coins among those possibles they think fairly likely to be EC, or do some other method known only to the ghosts, so that the EC can never be sure why you hit a certain person.

[Kenshiro]

As I've said before, I don't particularly care to follow the ghosts' choices at this stage of the game. At this stage, the Slayer can provide most of the same advantages and...

1) The EC can gain some advantage by killing it's biggest threats and we can get some clues from their votes.

2) Living players have more power. This makes the game more fun and makes it at least a little bit of a disadvantage to die. What kind of game is it where you lose and then get to make all the decisions?

Also because of 2, I'd much prefer the Slayer to select someone with several votes. Everyone should vote early and if it starts getting close to a consensus, the Slayer should step in and pick one of the most popular choices. Choosing someone with only one or no votes ruins the fun.

In the endgame, or if we lose the slayer, we can start listening to the ghosts. This might even turn into a Survivor sort of thing and could make it more interesting.

[Sunny]

Honestly, the pages and pages of rambling and conspiracy theories don't interest me; they lack substance enough that they almost begin to seem as lame as the WC Chicks thread.
I agree.

As I've said before, I don't particularly care to follow the ghosts' choices at this stage of the game.
I also agree.

OK, I like 4Sigma's approach so here are my suggestions

Sunny I've stated my case elsewhere. She is EC1. She needs to be staked. Don't let the pretty face fool you. It's just a ploy.

Macroman for nonparticipation. Hasn't posted or voted that I can tell. If you don't participate, you don't give information and should get eliminated.

BC who was a little quick to deflate the lynch Sunny bandwagon by jumping on the martyr 4Sigma bandwagon

snafu what the hell. I know I'm not EC but have just as good a chance as anyone else of being the sleeper (moreso if Maine-iac's theory about the sleeper being a he is correct). Also, I think it might be fun to be a ghost and get to see what everyone else is thinking strategy-wise. I ain't afraid of no ghost.
I think Snafu is wrong on all these, including himself.

Just wanted to get something cleared up here...

I'd assumed that when us ghosts chose someone for the students to lynch, it had to be someone who'd already gotten at least one lynching vote in that round. People seemed to feel that way in round one, when the slayer chose Oblomov for the students to lynch, and I think that's the way it worked in the last game too.

However, in hindsight, I'm realizing that there were several people who sent us some names in PMs that they suspected, and then didn't vote for them. Some of the most prolific PMers didn't even cast a lynch vote at all until Leela suggested snafu.

Admittedly, it's not as if I wanted to lynch someone who didn't get a vote, as snafu was my #1 EC pick at that time. I was basing that on the fact that several people had at least mentioned him as being suspicious, plus there was a combination of things in the PMs that made him look even more suspicious to me (which turned out to be wrong, obviously). So I'm definitely not trying to pin the blame on the students here, and I realize it's kind of expected that we'll hit a few innocent people. I just want to get things straight for future rounds.

It's understandable that someone might want to keep their EC picks out of the public eye, and thus wouldn't cast lynch votes for them unless they were told to by us ghosts, but does that mean we can choose whoever we want to be lynched, even if it might seem like our pick is coming totally out of left field? Or should we maybe have waited a little longer to post our pick, closer to the Wednesday noon deadline we were given, so that more living students could get their preliminary lynch votes in?

I personally would lean towards only letting us pick students that have gotten at least one lynch vote that round, just because I can see the Ghost Forum becoming a bit of a mess when there's eight or nine people in there and we have twenty-five or so names to choose from. If we put that restriction on things, it at least narrows our choices down. But that means that if you want to see someone lynched, you would have to open up the option for us to do it by casting a vote for them.

Any thoughts? Comments? Insults? :)
Snafu seemed suspicious to me at first too, especially when he was the only player that did not acknowledge me in chat right after the EC1 incident. However, later I thought he probably just thought I was EC1 and jumped on the bandwagon (but I must say he was pretty closed-minded, cuz many other students would pm me and tell me they don't think I'm EC at all but he and some others continued to insist). However, I think my thought about Snafu changed as I later studied the entire thread a bit more at the end of last week. I think by the time we were lynching him, I pretty much have changed my mind about him.

Now, for various reasons that I have mentioned to the Slayer and the ghost(s), I have the following proposal for the ones I'd like to lynch (of course running the risk of lynching the wrong one and then get lynched/slayed/murdered myself ;) ):

I think the ECs are Rocky and Karma Police. And I believe it is entirely likely Mulan is the EC sleeper. I also suspect BC and Gandalf, but otherwise I don't think anyone else seems particularly suspicious to me., and for all I know I could be suspecting the slayer himself (but I suppose the slayer and the ghosts can clarify that and avoid stupidity). So I propose all these players to lynch. And in the case I am murdered by the EC, there you have it, you will know I'm innocent and who I suspect already. :D

So, before I get murdered by the EC, I propose:

Vote: Rocky

Can we start voting for lynching already? :tfh:

Oh yeah, I should mention this, and I'm not joking, Avi has newly become suspicious to me, mostly because of EC1's prattle comment, the fact that he used to go into chat and is also familiar with it, as well as talking to me in chat (cuz he's a good friend to me), and his :burn: emoticon. Most of all (and this I am only kidding), the fact that he got the swingline last time and has been unbearable about it! :swear:

Or did you, urysohn, finally got me looking at Avi suspiciously? ;)

Oh yeah, one more thing, all of you innocent students should know that EC1 also posted here (http://actuary.ca/phpBB/viewtopic.php?p=559104&highlight=#559104). Hmmm, who would have done that. Ahow?? Karma??? Avi??? It's got to be a prolific poster that posts in the Surveys often...

Finally, my views can change and do change constantly. I apologize beforehand for mistakening some of you as EC.

[Leela]

Here are the orange votes so far (in alphabetically order)

Name - Vote
4Sigma - Rocky & urysohn - karma police & snafu
Ahow - Mulan & Sunny
All Clear - None
Anonymouse - None
Asynchronous - None
Avi - BC & Maine-iac
BC - Cho Da & Mulan
Butters - Avi & thing
Cho Da - BC & Sunny
CubedBee - Gandalf & Kaput Shakur - Mulan & snafu (2)
Ebenezer Kohl - Sunny & Will Durant
Gandalf - 42 & urysohn
Hagbard Celine - Sunny & Rocky
J.T. - None
Jables - jadzia & Ultimate Anyone
jadzia - Kaput Shakur & Sunny
Kaput Shakur - jadzia & Leela - jadzia & Sunny (2)
karma police - Gandalf & Sunny
Kenshiro - Mulan & Rocky
Leela - J.T. & Sunny
Macroman - Gandalf & Rocky
Maine-iac - Ahow & Mulan
Mulan - Cho Da & Will Durant
Oblomov - None
RedSoxFan - Sunny & Ultimate Anyone
Rocky - CubedBee & Jables
Snafu - jadzia & Sunny
stu - None
Sunny - karma police & snafu - Gandalf & karma police - karma police & Rocky
Super Silver Haze - Mulan & snafu - 4sigma & Gandalf
thing - Sunny & Ultimate Anyone (2)
Traina - Kenshiro & Werewolf
Ultimate Anyone - stu & Sunny - Anonymouse & Sunny
Werewolf - snafu & Sunny - Cho Da & Sunny
Will Durant - Mulan & Sunny (2)

*The (2) after thing's vote means he was the second player to vote for Sunny & Ultimate Anyone

[Leela]

Here are how the players have voted this round:

Name - Round 1 vote - Round 2
4sigma - Oblomov
Ahow - Sunny
All Clear - Oblomov - snafu
Anonymouse - None - snafu
Asynchronous - Oblomov - snafu
Avi - None - Gandalf/snafu
BC - 4sigma - Will Durant
Butters - None - Avi
Cho Da - Butters / Rocky / Sunny / snafu - snafu
CubedBee - 4sigma / Oblomov - Gandalf/ snafu
Ebenezer Kohl - Sunny / 4sigma / Oblomov - Will Durant/ snafu
Gandalf - Oblomov - Snafu
Hagbard Celine - Sunny / Oblomov - none
J.T. - snafu / Oblomov - snafu
Jables - Jables / Oblomov - Snafu
jadzia - 4sigma / Oblomov - Snafu
Kaput Shakur - 4sigma / Oblomov - Gandalf / snafu
karma police - Gandalf / Sunny / Oblomov - Sunny/Gandalf
Kenshiro - Mulan / Oblomov - Avi
Leela - 4sigma / Oblomov - Dead
Macroman - None - snafu
Maine-iac - Sunny - Snafu
Mulan - Kenshiro / Sunny / Cho Da / Oblomov - Will Durant/snafu
Oblomov - None - Dead
RedSoxFan - 4sigma - Snafu
Rocky - 4sigma / Sunny - none
snafu - Gandalf / Sunny / 4sigma / Oblomov - snafu - dead
stu - None - Dead
Sunny - Mulan / karma police / 4sigma / Oblomov - Gandalf/Snafu
Super Silver Haze - Dead
thing - Gandalf / 4sigma - Avi
Traina - Sunny - none
Ultimate Anyone - Sunny / Oblomov - none
Werewolf - 4sigma - snafu
Will Durant - Kenshiro / Sunny - Mulan / snafu

I put in blue the current votes... Feel free to correct me if I made some mistakes !!!

[Avi]

Avi - None - Gandalf

I thought I voted for snafu. (http://actuary.ca/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=30397&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=766)

[Will Durant]

And I believe it is entirely likely Mulan is the EC sleeper.
What's your basis for this statement?

A sleeper wouldn't know he/she was the sleeper (unless EC1 or EC2 told them, and we've already :horse: the fact that there really wouldn't be any advantage to them to do so).

[Mulan]

And I believe it is entirely likely Mulan is the EC sleeper.
What's your basis for this statement?

A sleeper wouldn't know he/she was the sleeper (unless EC1 or EC2 told them, and we've already :horse: the fact that there really wouldn't be any advantage to them to do so).Beside I'm NOT the sleeper... at least as far as I know!!

I don't think the sleeper would know they were the sleeper. Though I think it is possible that the EC would "vote" for the sleeper for lynching just to throw us off after the first EC death (which I hope is sooner rather than later!! Die Will Durant! Die Cho Da!).....

[4sigma]

There have been some good legitimate questions asked recently about the scope that the ghosts should have in directing our lynchings.

The primary purpose of seeking guidance is to protect our slayer. It is true that EC_Slayer can perform this role just as well as the ghosts.

A secondary function is to try and target EC better by weighing the innocence or guilt of all the players. Lynch mobs tend to be rather poor at this. They tend to bandwagon onto anyone who gets a couple of votes. Individuals (such as the slayer) are not bad for this sort of evaluation. But a committee of ghosts is probably best. In order to do this effectively, players need to PM EC_Slayer a summary of who they think is innocent or guilty, and the reasons for this.

This second function is open to debate in terms of how much value it has. Perhaps the ghosts would care to comment on whether they believe they are able to contribute something signficant in this regard.

Some responses to individual concerns above:

SSH: I would expect the ghosts to recommend lynching someone that has at least a few votes, and normally that person would be one of the top 3-4 vote-getters that round. Due to the holiday weekend and perhaps some initial confusion about the importance of voting, we saw somewhat less voting activity this round than I would have expected.

Kenshiro, I do agree with you that it ruins the fun if the lynching every round degenerates into a "ghost lottery." The ghosts do need to give careful deference to the will of the living students. There should be a linkage between receiving more votes and greater likelihood of lynching. In addition to just being more fun for the living, this also puts more pressure on the EC when they start to get votes. This is what will make EC squirm and potentially betray themselves.

However, students need to be careful not to bandwagon too severely in the early voting. If it looks like someone is headed for a lynching when the ghosts intervene, that person becomes a primary EC target, which devalues whatever benefit the ghosts are able to provide.

People should speak up about who they think is suspicious, and the reasons for their suspicion. This is what puts the heat on EC. Jadzia, this is what would be contained in your "preliminary vote." Macroman, it is true that this may cause EC to change their behavior. But if nobody ever accuses anyone of being suspicious, there will be precious little behavior to observe anyway. The thread will become so dull that perhaps even Anonymouse will be able to keep up.

I have no objection to making bold votes in the preliminary voting. Last time we didn't do that because of the accursed quorum rule, but since Mr. P has recanted, this is probably now a good idea. Bold votes put a bit more heat on a person than red votes.

Sometimes you may wish to cast aspersions upon more than one person. Avi in particular may feel encroached upon if he is only allowed to cast his aspersions upon one person at a time. The rules prohibit you from casting more than one bold vote, however. So red votes still have their place to impugn all the players that you feel deserve consideration each round. I would expect the ghosts to select from among those players receiving the largest number of combined bold and red votes. But it is fine if the ghosts wish to keep their exact criteria confidential.

Vote: Rocky

Can we start voting for lynching already? :love: We have so much in common. (http://actuary.ca/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=30397&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=7) :love:

[Leela]

Giving the students' voices some weight is one reason snafu was lynched last time. He was mentioned in pms from other players, he was on our suspect list, and he had received a bold vote. That doesn't mean that the others who received votes weren't on our list or mentioned in pms. It just seemed like snafu was the player that looked the best after considering all three factors. The ghosts would like to have students input in the form of pms and votes before we decide who to lynch. We don't want to take all the fun away from you, and I know last time the thread got a little dry after the ghosts took over. But in order to do that, living players need to make more suggestions or votes than last round so that we have a better idea of what the students want. Also, some of the pms contain suspects that have not been suggested, and the ghosts have some suspects that have not been suggested. So, we are trying to find an equilibrium between all of the issues at hand. Please keep giving us suggestions on who to suspect and how we can make this more fun for you. Because this is a game and is supposed to be fun for everyone. :)

[snafu]

EC_Slayer

Per your email

041605 115061 001181 215172 422103 420290 601030

Please PM confirmation prior to any action

[Sunny]

Because this is a game and is supposed to be fun for everyone. :)

It's fun for me no matter what!!! :D

Vote: Rocky

Can we start voting for lynching already? :love: We have so much in common. (http://actuary.ca/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=30397&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=7) :love:
:love:

[Hagbard Celine]

So who's gonna be the first to crack the code? :P

[Rocky]

A secondary function is to try and target EC better by weighing the innocence or guilt of all the players. Lynch mobs tend to be rather poor at this. They tend to bandwagon onto anyone who gets a couple of votes. Individuals (such as the slayer) are not bad for this sort of evaluation. But a committee of ghosts is probably best. In order to do this effectively, players need to PM EC_Slayer a summary of who they think is innocent or guilty, and the reasons for this.


I think that the collaboration between the ghosts and slayer (although PM's can only come from the slayer) is important in determining who to lynch. As I noted earlier, it leads to a more diverse pool of potential lynchees than just having the slayer make the call, and it leaves less of a chance that the slayer could develop a pattern that would lead to him/her being exposed.

Some responses to individual concerns above:

SSH: I would expect the ghosts to recommend lynching someone that has at least a few votes, and normally that person would be one of the top 3-4 vote-getters that round.

It makes sense to me that the ghosts would try to target a player that has received at least 1 vote. I think that Gandalf mentioned earlier that by seeing a vote (or multiple votes) cast for them, the EC may feel compelled to either defend themselves or to divert attention. We've already seen some attention diversion by a couple of players, that could be the type of response that we'd expect from EC.

Kenshiro, I do agree with you that it ruins the fun if the lynching every round degenerates into a "ghost lottery." The ghosts do need to give careful deference to the will of the living students. There should be a linkage between receiving more votes and greater likelihood of lynching. In addition to just being more fun for the living, this also puts more pressure on the EC when they start to get votes. This is what will make EC squirm and potentially betray themselves.

This is where I was last game, Kenshiro. There's nothing wrong with wanting to be more active. Some may view it as being more "EC-ish" if you vote your own way each time (I think that you mentioned earlier that if players don't follow the Slayer's recommendation, they seem more EC to you), but if it suits your personality, then why not play the game how you want?

I've revised my strategy a little since last game because I realized that the goal is to get the EC and not to stay alive. That's the game that I signed up for, so I'm trying to play the game to eliminate the EC.

However, students need to be careful not to bandwagon too severely in the early voting. If it looks like someone is headed for a lynching when the ghosts intervene, that person becomes a primary EC target, which devalues whatever benefit the ghosts are able to provide.

That's a big risk that we run. Suggestions are useful in getting past this, but I still think that voting is the way to go (since the quorum rule is toast). I am going to try to avoid early bandwagoning and provide the ghosts with other legitimate choices to lynch. Others should consider doing the same in order to give the ghosts 3-4 choices since that would not give away too much info on who the slayer is.

People should speak up about who they think is suspicious, and the reasons for their suspicion. This is what puts the heat on EC.

In the public forum? This is an idea that I tried to push last game, but 4sigma and Gandalf shot it down. The concern was that too much info in the open can give the EC some innocent students to target.

Suspicions of guilt and innocence, with reasoning behind them, should always go to the ghosts/slayer. If we can also put some of those suspicions out in the open, I still think that it's a good way to keep the pressure on the EC.

Vote: Rocky

Can we start voting for lynching already? :love: We have so much in common. (http://actuary.ca/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=30397&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=7) :love:[/quote]

:roll:

[Gandalf]

We have so much in common. :love:
:love:
Sunny and 4Sigma are both EC? This game is so easy.

[Sunny]

We have so much in common. :love:
:love:
Sunny and 4Sigma are both EC? This game is so easy.
:lolup:

[Gandalf]

People should speak up about who they think is suspicious, and the reasons for their suspicion. This is what puts the heat on EC.

In the public forum? This is an idea that I tried to push last game, but 4sigma and Gandalf shot it down. The concern was that too much info in the open can give the EC some innocent students to target.

Suspicions of guilt and innocence, with reasoning behind them, should always go to the ghosts/slayer. If we can also put some of those suspicions out in the open, I still think that it's a good way to keep the pressure on the EC.

The variation I was pushing in the last game, that I still like, is to accuse vigorously in the public debate, with no need to pull any punches. I still think that's the best way to go, unless the moderators step in and say we are going overboard about EC1's mental deficiencies. I trust everyone recognizes that the comments on his sexual preferences are an attempt to identify him for lynching and are not judgmental.

If anything, go overboard on the attacks to stir up reaction.

Defending the innocent is where I was adamant about telling only the ghosts. If I've seen something that convinces me that Macroman is innocent, there's no reason to announce that to the world. Tell the slayer and the ghosts, and (if it seems valid) count on them protecting Macroman. It it became public knowledge that Macroman was innocent, that would be an invitation for the EC to kill him.

It probably helps the public debate to have some statements that "I think X (especially Gandalf) is just a student" or "I don't find that behavior, that you think suggests Sunny is EC, to be suspicious at all". But trying to provide evidence someone is innocent, or trying to get widespread public agreement that someone is innocent - those help the EC.

[BC]

People should speak up about who they think is suspicious, and the reasons for their suspicion.

I'm suspicious of anyone who is trying to cast aspersions on me. Since I know I'm an innocent student, anyone out to get me is more likely to be EC. Or something like that... :-?

[Mr. Penguin]

I'm back. And since I gave you folks until this morning to make your choice, I will give The Slayer until 9 am tomorrow (Friday) morning.

[urysohn]

EC_Slayer

Per your email

041605 115061 001181 215172 422103 420290 601030

Please PM confirmation prior to any action
Didn't Mr. P already say posting by ghosts in an encrypted code was equivalent to a PM?

"Penalty shot" by the EC to make up for it!

[BC]

EC_Slayer

Per your email

041605 115061 001181 215172 422103 420290 601030

Please PM confirmation prior to any action
Didn't Mr. P already say posting by ghosts in an encrypted code was equivalent to a PM?

"Penalty shot" by the EC to make up for it!

Now why would you suggest that if you weren't EC?

[cubedbee]

To clarify rules regarding the above points:

1) Ghosts are to abstain from sending game-related PMs to any living player.

2) In keeping with the spirit of this rule, ghosts should refrain from posting in code or otherwise in non-EC game threads on the RF, the WC or the Desert.

Please keep any and all game-related posts in this thread. You may post "in code" here, but at least that will give all players the opportunity to break the code.

Posting in code is specifically allowed, as long as it is in this thread.

[urysohn]

So the Slayer is clever and geeky enough, with sufficient interest invested in this game, to create a convoluted code to publicly talk with the EC. I think we can safely assume that it is not a simplistic code where A=1 or anything like that. That's a pretty big tip for the EC, I'd think.

[snafu]

This will hopefully address some of the concerns that have been voiced.

The ghosts have received numerous PMs from players. Many of these concern accusations / suspicions that the individual student doesn't want to make public for fear of tipping of the EC to behavior. Many of them contain evidence of innocence. There are also many public accusations.

The concensus of the ghosts is that our role is to serve as a clearing house and trusted source for information sharing. We are NOT picking the person that we think is most likely to be guilty. We are picking the person that seems to be the most likely choice of the students based on all information both public and private and both accusatory and exculpatory.

EC_Slayer is kept in the loop to prevent accidental lynching of the slayer.

[Klaymen]

EC_Slayer

Per your email

041605 115061 001181 215172 422103 420290 601030

Please PM confirmation prior to any action

It's an implementation of the LZW algorithm!

[Gandalf]

I think we can safely assume that it is not a simplistic code where A=1 or anything like that. That's a pretty big tip for the EC, I'd think.
Not really. All it suggests is that the slayer is concerned that EC2 may be brighter than EC1, so that A=1 etc could be broken.

[Gandalf]

EC_Slayer

041605 115061 001181 215172 422103 420290 601030

Please PM confirmation prior to any action
We'll need a longer message to get the whole code, but it apparently uses only the first two digits of each combination. So far we have:
00 = S
04 = E
11 = C
21 = U
42 = N
60 = Y

[snafu]

Based on Gandalf's suggestion as well as several other-students' PM'ed suggestions that were similar in nature, the Ghosts respectfully suggest the following:

Keep suggestions of innocence and exculpatory evidence private. If you think someone is not EC, then PM the Ghosts or EC_Slayer with your thoughts and evidence.
Keep accusations public unless you have a reason for keeping them private.
The students should suggest three or four names each and possibly even some votes
Do not cast enough votes to lynch someone
The Ghosts will consolidate all of the public and private information and make a choice based on what seems to be the student concensus and will then suggest this person for lynching

Additionally, my personal opinion is that a rogue student or two casting aspersions and votes other than as suggested is not a bad thing and might serve to apply some additional heat to the EC.[/list]

[snafu]

EC_Slayer

041605 115061 001181 215172 422103 420290 601030

Please PM confirmation prior to any action
We'll need a longer message to get the whole code, but it apparently uses only the first two digits of each combination. So far we have:
00 = S
04 = E
11 = C
21 = U
42 = N
60 = Y

Actually Gandalf, I think if you translated correctly you would find that is says "STAKE URYSOHN" :wink:

[Gandalf]

Actually Gandalf, I think if you translated correctly you would find that is says "STAKE URYSOHN" :wink:
Probably. I didn't bother to translate, since I've realized the whole code thing is just a fake, and you're identifying the target in your signature line.

edited to correct typo

[Sunny]

Additionally, my personal opinion is that a rogue student or two casting aspersions and votes other than as suggested is not a bad thing and might serve to apply some additional heat to the EC.[/list]

Oh yeah, I'm good at wrecking havoc, should I try another typo!?!?!!! :D:D:D

[Sunny]

Actually Gandalf, I think if you translated correctly you would find that is says "STAKE URYSOHN" :wink:
Probably. I didn't bother to translate, since I've realized the whole code thing is just a fake, and you're identifying the target in your signature line.

edited to correct typo

And all this time I thought he was just infatuated with me. :roll:

[Ebenezer Kohl]

Here is the discussion. (http://actuary.ca/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=30397&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=629)

And I believe it is entirely likely Mulan is the EC sleeper.
What's your basis for this statement?

A sleeper wouldn't know he/she was the sleeper (unless EC1 or EC2 told them, and we've already :horse: the fact that there really wouldn't be any advantage to them to do so).
It doesn't seem like it has been discussed at all.

[Sunny]

Here is the discussion. (http://actuary.ca/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=30397&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=629)

And I believe it is entirely likely Mulan is the EC sleeper.
What's your basis for this statement?

A sleeper wouldn't know he/she was the sleeper (unless EC1 or EC2 told them, and we've already :horse: the fact that there really wouldn't be any advantage to them to do so).
It doesn't seem like it has been discussed at all.

Didn't she slip somewhere in this thread? Just read back and do a search. Unless it was all an act, and I'm too simple to figure that out. :duh:

[Ebenezer Kohl]

Here is the discussion. (http://actuary.ca/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=30397&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=629)
Didn't she slip somewhere in this thread? Just read back and do a search. Unless it was all an act, and I'm too simple to figure that out. :duh:
:D See the blue letters. That is a link. Click those blue letters. There is the slip. There are two more of her posts below that. Read all three together. Sunny, you're growing on me. :wink:

[Mulan]

It was several pages back when we were all discussing whether ghosts formed after the first EC death should be allowed in the ghost forum.

It was discovered that all ghosts can have access to the ghost forum except EC ghosts. Before the first EC death, there would be no reason that the sleeper would know he/she was anything but an innocent student. After the first EC death, if the sleeper is killed, we would be told the death was EC, and he/she wouldn't be allowed in the forum.

I wonder if the EC1 and EC2 Ids change anything? Since the sleeper could be informed of his/her status as the sleeper by the EC without outing themselves... Hmmm... If so, that well-informed sleeper student should commit suicide to prevent his "turning to the dark side" (like Yoda-Will and Cho Da have done... :shake: ) since the sleeper currently works for the students. However, a student that has been informed that he/she is the sleeper should be very skeptical, since it may be a plot by the EC to force the suicide of innocent non-sleeper students. Hmmm The plot thickens...

[Ebenezer Kohl]

Some people appreciate the dark side. :D

[Sunny]

Here is the discussion. (http://actuary.ca/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=30397&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=629)
Didn't she slip somewhere in this thread? Just read back and do a search. Unless it was all an act, and I'm too simple to figure that out. :duh:
:D See the blue letters. That is a link. Click those blue letters. There is the slip. There are two more of her posts below that. Read all three together. Sunny, you're growing on me. :wink:

You like ditsy dumb non-blondes? :D

[Ebenezer Kohl]

You like ditsy dumb non-blondes? :D
Like a bad joke, at first I reject it, but familiarity turns it to fondness. :)

[Ebenezer Kohl]

Suppose Mulan is the sleeper and only the EC knows. The EC would protect her when she becomes suspect. Will Durant did that. Mulan then attacks Will Durant for acting like EC, because she doesn't know. Will Durant becomes a prime suspect. Will Durant tells her because he has nothing left to lose. Will Durant then draws attention away from this discussion.

I love conspiracy theories! :D

[Sunny]

Suppose Mulan is the sleeper and only the EC knows. The EC would protect her when she becomes suspect. Will Durant did that. Mulan then attacks Will Durant for acting like EC, because she doesn't know. Will Durant becomes a prime suspect. Will Durant tells her because he has nothing left to lose. Will Durant then draws attention away from this discussion.

I love conspiracy theories! :D

Haha :lol:

Ok, I'd say, let's lynch Mulan!!!!!!!

(I did vote for Rocky already right? :tfh: ok, you go, EK)

[Sunny]

Oh wait! Will Durant, hmmmm, should I put him on my suspect list then!?! :evil: He has been accusing me to no end hasn't he. :evil:

[Ebenezer Kohl]

Oh wait! Will Durant, hmmmm, should I put him on my suspect list then!?! :evil: He has been accusing me to no end hasn't he. :evil:
Exactly. We lynch Mulan and then we don't know if she is the sleeper. If we lynch Will Durant, the sleeper is activated if he is EC. Then we hit Mulan.

[Sunny]

Oh wait! Will Durant, hmmmm, should I put him on my suspect list then!?! :evil: He has been accusing me to no end hasn't he. :evil:
Exactly. We lynch Mulan and then we don't know if she is the sleeper. If we lynch Will Durant, the sleeper is activated if he is EC. Then we hit Mulan.

:tup:

Sounds like a great plan!!! But what about Rocky? You go first, then I'll go.

[Leela]

Does anyone want to volunteer to keep track of suggestions for each round. You wouldn't even have to keep track of who made what suggestion. Just keep a tally of who was voted for or suggested and how many votes or suggestions there were for them. Then the player wouldn't have to post the tally until the ghosts ask for it or if the students want to see it.

Thanks!

[snafu]

Leela - I already have a listing in the form of the summary that I posted for round 1. So far for round two, I have the following.

0130 Butters STAPLER Avi and thing
0131 Avi STAPLER Maine-iac and BC
0132 cubedbee STAPLER Mulan and snafu
0133 Ultimate Anyone? STAPLER Sunny and Anonymouse
0134 Hagbard Celine STAPLER Sunny and Rocky
0135 EC KILLS Leela
0136 GAME END OF PAGE 23
0137 Mulan VOTE Will Durant
0138 Will Durant VOTE Mulan
0139 Ebenezer Kohl VOTE Will Durant
0140 CubedBee VOTE Gandalf
0141 Sunny VOTE Gandalf
0142 Kaput Shakur VOTE Gandalf
0143 Kaput Shakur STAPLER jadzia and Sunny
0144 karma police VOTE Sunny
0145 Sunny STAPLER Gandalf and Karma Police
0146 Will Durant STAPLER Mulan and Sunny
0147 GAME END OF PAGE 25
0148 GAME Tally Checks to Mr. P on Page 26
0149 Cho Da VOTE snafu
0150 Butters VOTE Avi
0151 4Sigma SUGGEST Mulan, snafu, karma police
0152 4Sigma STAPLER snafu and karma police
0153 snafu SUGGEST Sunny, Macroman, BC, snafu
0154 BC VOTE Will Durant
0155 karma police VOTE Gandalf
0156 Avi SUGGEST Sunny, BC
0157 Mulan SUGGEST Cho Da, Will Durant
0158 Kenshiro VOTE Avi
0159 GAME END OF PAGE 28
0160 karma police UNVOTE Sunny
0161 karma police UNVOTE Gandalf
0162 karma police VOTE Gandalf
0163 J.T. SUGGEST Mulan, Will Durant
0164 thing VOTE Avi
0165 GAME END OF PAGE 30
0166 GHOSTS Suggest students should lynch snafu
0167 snafu VOTE snafu
0168 cubedbee UNVOTE Gandalf
0169 cubedbee VOTE snafu
0170 Jables VOTE snafu
0171 J.T. VOTE snafu
0172 Gandalf VOTE snafu
0173 Anonymouse VOTE snafu
0174 RedSoxFan VOTE snafu
0175 jadzia VOTE snafu
0176 Maine-iac VOTE snafu
0177 Sunny UNVOTE Gandalf
0178 Sunny VOTE snafu
0179 Avi VOTE snafu
0180 Kaput Shakur UNVOTE Gandalf
0181 Kaput Shakur VOTE snafu
0182 Gandalf UNVOTE snafu
0183 Sunny UNVOTE snafu
0184 All Clear VOTE snafu
0185 Sunny VOTE snafu
0186 Asynchronous VOTE snafu
0187 Ebenezer Kohl UNVOTE Will Durant
0188 Ebenezer Kohl VOTE snafu
0189 Mulan UNVOTE Will Durant
0190 Mulan VOTE snafu
0191 Will Durant UNVOTE Mulan
0192 Will Durant VOTE snafu
0193 Gandalf VOTE snafu
0194 STUDENTS LYNCH snafu
0195 Super Silver Haze STAPLER 4Sigma and Gandalf
0196 Macroman VOTE snafu
0197 Werewolf VOTE snafu
0198 Werewolf STAPLER Sunny and Cho Da

[snafu]

The Slayer still needs to make a Round 2 slaying

I have the following suggestions / votes for Round 3 (taking into account that Sunny can't seem to follow the convention for suggesting versus voting)

0199 Sunny STAPLER Rocky and Karma Police
0200 Sunny SUGGEST Mulan, BC, Avi, and Gandalf
0201 Sunny VOTE Rocky
0202 GAME END OF PAGE 34
0203 Mulan SUGGEST Will Durant and Cho Da
0204 Sunny SUGGEST Mulan and Will Durant

[jadzia]

Since I'm already keeping track of votes, I could do that too.

I'll try to take all suspicions, but it would be really easier if they were all in red...

I'll post a first list tomorrow, after the slayer's hit.

[Sunny]

(taking into account that Sunny can't seem to follow the convention for suggesting versus voting)

sorry

:oops:

[Gandalf]

I shall enjoy my stapler. Continue on with your witless prattle.
Suppose we assume that this was an attempt by EC1 to frame Avi rather than Avi using his typical vocabulary. Who might have tried to pull off such a frame?

Among the player list, the most likely is Cho Da. Jables would be a possibility for the frame-up post, but I don't think he could have resisted posting more often as EC1.

Cho Da is brighter than EC1 appears to be, but the same thing could be said of all the players.

[Rocky]

But what about Rocky? You go first, then I'll go. :o

Thanks for the invite, but that's definitely not my ideal threesome...

[Sunny]

But what about Rocky? You go first, then I'll go. :o

Thanks for the invite, but that's definitely not my ideal threesome...
:rofl:

[Rocky]

Where oh where...

have Jables, Ahow, and Cho Da gone?

I know that we still have the slayer's staking and the EC's attempt to not kill each other, but I'm going to suggest these 3. All are fairly "vocal" folks on the RO...but there's been very little coming from them in this thread...hmmmmmmmmmmm

[Sunny]

Jables would be a possibility for the frame-up post, but I don't think he could have resisted posting more often as EC1

I have to say, this I absolutely agree with. :D Nothing personal, Jabes! :wave:

[EC3]

Among the player list, the most likely is Cho Da. Jables would be a possibility for the frame-up post, but I don't think he could have resisted posting more often as EC1.

No, I would do something more offbeat, like post as EC3 :spnner:

-Jables-

[Rocky]

Cho Da is brighter than EC1 appears to be, but the same thing could be said of all the players.

You beat me to this one (suggesting Cho Da).

I'd say that a 10 watt light bulb is at least 12 watts brighter than EC1...

[Sunny]

Among the player list, the most likely is Cho Da. Jables would be a possibility for the frame-up post, but I don't think he could have resisted posting more often as EC1.

No, I would do something more offbeat, like post as EC3 :spnner:

-Jables-:lolup::rofl::notworth::lolup::rofl::notworth::rof l::lolup:

[Jables]

I am NOT EC3! :evil:

Sorry I haven't been more vocal here. There just doesn't seem like much evidence to go on. In my last post here I followed the advice and voted for snafu, although I added that my personal suspicions were on Avi. I know that early in the game both Cubed and I said we would whack Avi right away if we were EC, but that hasn't happened yet (even by whoever is EC this time around... That "prattle" line does sound like something right out of Avi's mouth, but I'm not sure if it's him or a set up...

[Mulan]

Oh wait! Will Durant, hmmmm, should I put him on my suspect list then!?! :evil: He has been accusing me to no end hasn't he. :evil:
Exactly. We lynch Mulan and then we don't know if she is the sleeper. If we lynch Will Durant, the sleeper is activated if he is EC. Then we hit Mulan.I believe this is an excellent plan (even if it means my death...) DEATH TO THE EC!!

Suggest: Will Durant, Cho Da, Avi, Cubedbee, and Sunny

[EC3]

I am NOT EC3! :evil:

Don't believe him... :lol: If you want to kill an EC member, kill Jables at your next opportunity! Once an EC, always an EC, I say... Don't even get me started on mod speculation

[thing]

You know, what strikes me as unrealistic about this game is that the EC isn't testing the students. Especially now that they've got these 'cover' ids, that seems like a plausible modification to the game. My suggestion is that, each round, the EC post some sort of quiz, to which all living students are required to respond within 24 hours or whatever. What form this quiz takes, I'm not sure: trivia, complete the limerick, whatever. But it would give us some more material to work with. ("Hmm, Avi had an especially good haiku on the subject of lederhosen, perhaps he was forewarned somehow?")

Just a suggestion.

[Cho Da]

You all are getting distracted. snafu suggested to me that Sunny was EC as well as his suspicions that a player to be named later was EC. He then mad himself suspicious by not following though with his convictions. If he no longer believes that Sunny is EC, then he should so state. Many think Will Durant is EC, but I haven't formed an opinion. Mulan, I think, is keeping focused on the search. Even though her gaze is aimed at me (in error :kiss:), keeping the pressure on active students is a good tactic.
We students have been given a huge edge in that the slayer can speak to us as the slayer to help prevent us from lynching him or her. That and the fact the the ghosts seem to have too much time to think about the game should make this even quicker than the last game (even with the sleeper).

It seems to me that Sunny needs to be the next to go.

Enjoy!

[BC]

.

I wonder if the EC1 and EC2 Ids change anything? Since the sleeper could be informed of his/her status as the sleeper by the EC without outing themselves...

If EC1 or EC2 were to inform me that I was the sleeper, I don't think I would believe them... They could PM that to everyone else in the game, after all.

[Hagbard Celine]

I agree with Cho Da, Sunny needs to go.

[Jables]

If you want to kill an EC member, kill Jables at your next opportunity!

Completely and totally unfounded... :roll:

[Sunny]

.

I wonder if the EC1 and EC2 Ids change anything? Since the sleeper could be informed of his/her status as the sleeper by the EC without outing themselves...

If EC1 or EC2 were to inform me that I was the sleeper, I don't think I would believe them... They could PM that to everyone else in the game, after all.
How come I never got one? :-?

pssst, I think BC is EC, pass it on.

[Avi]

Does anyone want to volunteer to keep track of suggestions for each round. You wouldn't even have to keep track of who made what suggestion. Just keep a tally of who was voted for or suggested and how many votes or suggestions there were for them. Then the player wouldn't have to post the tally until the ghosts ask for it or if the students want to see it.

Thanks!Leela = TDA!?!?!? :o

[Will Durant]

Here is the discussion. (http://actuary.ca/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=30397&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=629)

And I believe it is entirely likely Mulan is the EC sleeper.
What's your basis for this statement?

A sleeper wouldn't know he/she was the sleeper (unless EC1 or EC2 told them, and we've already :horse: the fact that there really wouldn't be any advantage to them to do so).
It doesn't seem like it has been discussed at all.
I thought the following statement by Gandalf

If sleeper dies before any EC, he's on our side. If sleeper dies after one EC, we know he's EC. So all innocent students are safe in the ghost forum.

clarified that the EC could gain no advantage by telling the sleeper he/she/it was the sleeper. Therefore, I'm assuming they did not. Although as Gandalf keeps pointing out EC1 is not the sharpest tool in the shed so maybe he/she/it told the sleeper anyway.

[Avi]

I shall enjoy my stapler. Continue on with your witless prattle.
Suppose we assume that this was an attempt by EC1 to frame Avi rather than Avi using his typical vocabulary. Who might have tried to pull off such a frame?

Among the player list, the most likely is Cho Da. Jables would be a possibility for the frame-up post, but I don't think he could have resisted posting more often as EC1.

Cho Da is brighter than EC1 appears to be, but the same thing could be said of all the players.

Preamble for 4sigma - this is not meant as a dig or rub, but is meant to analyze Gandalf's statement.

If EC1 really meant to frame me, s/he should have said "I am enjoying my stapler," or "I shall enjoy my next stapler"

The statement of I shall enjoy my stapler is merely indicative of the confidence that EC1 has in winning.

Anyway, witless prattle is not rare enough vocabulary to point to anyone.

Now if the statement had been:

"Ignobly persist in your insipid, vapid, jejune, banal, hackneyed palaver," THEN you may have had a point :dsmile:


I have my suspicions for EC, but I am loathe to post them here yet for fear of tipping our hands. The ghosts have them, though.

[Avi]

Refresh my memory please.

We are not allowed to post the text of PM's. Are we allowed to post synopses, paraphrases of, or perhaps points mentioned in, PM's if we feel that it may shed light on the sender's being EC?

[Sunny]

That doesn't mean EC1's IQ is above that and thought better to not do it, Will Durant! :evil:

[Mulan]

Although as Gandalf keeps pointing out EC1 is not the sharpest tool in the shed so maybe he/she/it told the sleeper anyway.It's funny when the EC talks in the third person about themselves and insults themselves like this, huh? tee hee....

[Gandalf]

Refresh my memory please.

We are not allowed to post the text of PM's. Are we allowed to post synopses, paraphrases of, or perhaps points mentioned in, PM's if we feel that it may shed light on the sender's being EC?
Who says we can't? There is no game rule that says we can't, and my understanding from Game 3 (maybe only because it was the position I espoused) was that all game-related PMs could be disclosed.

Some, such as RedSoxFan, felt that was not right, but after Game 3 I would hope people would be aware of that possibility.

[urysohn]

I thought the following statement by Gandalf

If sleeper dies before any EC, he's on our side. If sleeper dies after one EC, we know he's EC. So all innocent students are safe in the ghost forum.

clarified that the EC could gain no advantage by telling the sleeper he/she/it was the sleeper.
Actually, Gandalf made a good point that there was no incentive for the EC to have a dead sleeper on their side -- i.e. to infiltrate the ghost's forum. There is still plenty of incentive to have a living sleeper on their side, especially if the sleeper thinks it likely that one of the two EC would be killed before the sleeper (roughly a 2/3 chance, if all strikes are random).

[Gandalf]

Anyway, witless prattle is not rare enough vocabulary to point to anyone.
I still lean toward Avi not being EC, but it seems so bizarre that he is not treating this 100% as an attempt to frame him in particular. If you look at the list of players and ask yourself who might have said this naturally, really Avi is the only one. (Many are capable of saying it to frame him.)

I searched for "prattle" on the RF. Occurrences other than in this thread are extremely rare. In fact, of ids in this game, only Avi used it, and only once. E. Blackadder has two hits, but one is a quote. Andy Lang has one hit, a quote. Which brings us to Cannonball. 5 hits, including the use of "witless prattle" on Oct 24 2002 and Feb 12 2004. With the Feb 12 2004 instance referring to Avi. So if anyone thinks Cannonball is playing this game, watch him very, very closely. You probably aren't allowed to out his alter id even for the worth purpose of killing EC scum, but you can try to use other means to get him killed.

If Cannonball is not in this game, it's probably just someone who happened to use the phrase as a frame up. Sunny was participating in Dead Thread on the same page where Cannonball used "witless prattle", but Feb 12 seems way too long ago to be relevant info.

[Sunny]

I'm definitely not smart enough to use that phrase. :roll: I don't even know how to accuse properly :duh:

[Rocky]

That doesn't mean EC1's IQ is above that and thought better to not do it, Will Durant! :evil:

Legend for Sunny:

Bold = Vote or unvote
Red = suggest
incoherent ramblings and bright colors = EC1

Back 2 da game...

[Mr. Penguin]

As a reminder, any and all votes at this stage in the round will be ignored since it is the Slayer's turn.

[Sunny]

oh, my turn?! :D

[ahow]

Please read Chapter 1 (http://actuary.ca/phpBB/viewtopic.php?p=494189#494189) first.

Chapter 2:
As I was nursed back to health in my hospital bed in South America, I was foggy as to what had happened. Why was I here? Who had put me in this painful condition? Fortunately, the pain medication and other drugs were wearing off. The fog that had drifted over my memories was now clearing and I was beginning to see a terrified yet familiar face. I REMEMBER!!! It was my friend! Suddenly, a more disturbing and saddening moment floated to the top of my brain. That terrified and familiar face belonged to my friend, the Slayer. The slayer had been sent here to take out the terrible tyrants known as El Y Si. As my nurse walked back in, I questioned her about El Y Si. She replied that they had been all but anhilated during their stay in South America, thanks to my friend. Unfortunately, they had moved on to Spain. Before they nurse could utter another word, I ran out of the hospital and headed directly to the airport. As I flew I kept getting suspicious eyes from a person in the seat accross the aisle. Well, that saline solution drip from the hospital had worked its way through my body, along with the 10 gin and tonics from the airport bar and the 12 beers from the plane, so I decided to hit the restroom. As I was finishing up 15 minutes later, there was a knock on the door. I said I would be done in a minute. As I opened the door, I was knocked backward by a fist to the face. My assailant said, "Your friend believed you were an innocent student, but I don't believe a word you say." I protested but it was in vain. My assailant skipped the traditional stake, and grabbed my atrophied arms and forced my head into the airplane toilet. I struggled, but 2 months in a hospital bed was too much. As I fought back, my consciousness faded into the blue water. I, the poor innocent student, was once again gone... for now...

[Sunny]

Whoa, what a surprise. I didn't do that! :x

[Avi]

Anyway, witless prattle is not rare enough vocabulary to point to anyone.
I still lean toward Avi not being EC, but it seems so bizarre that he is not treating this 100% as an attempt to frame him in particular. If you look at the list of players and ask yourself who might have said this naturally, really Avi is the only one. (Many are capable of saying it to frame him.)

I searched for "prattle" on the RF. Occurrences other than in this thread are extremely rare. In fact, of ids in this game, only Avi used it, and only once. E. Blackadder has two hits, but one is a quote. Andy Lang has one hit, a quote. Which brings us to Cannonball. 5 hits, including the use of "witless prattle" on Oct 24 2002 and Feb 12 2004. With the Feb 12 2004 instance referring to Avi. So if anyone thinks Cannonball is playing this game, watch him very, very closely. You probably aren't allowed to out his alter id even for the worth purpose of killing EC scum, but you can try to use other means to get him killed.

If Cannonball is not in this game, it's probably just someone who happened to use the phrase as a frame up. Sunny was participating in Dead Thread on the same page where Cannonball used "witless prattle", but Feb 12 seems way too long ago to be relevant info.

Another point - Cannonball will have a particular interest in getting me killed to assuage the hideous embarrasment he undergoes in the Dead Thread :burn:

Good point G!!

[Rocky]

Nice continuation scene, Ahow...

Death to El Y Si

Mr. P, you might want to let tweedle dumb and tweedle dumber know that it's their turn to kill...

[Gandalf]

Yet another good death scene, if the death of an innocent student can ever be good.

Death to the EC!

[Leela]

Nice continuation scene, Ahow...

Death to El Y Si

Mr. P, you might want to let tweedle dumb and tweedle dumber know that it's their turn to kill...

If we don't remind them, they might forget and miss the deadline.

[Rocky]

Nice continuation scene, Ahow...

Death to El Y Si

Mr. P, you might want to let tweedle dumb and tweedle dumber know that it's their turn to kill...

If we don't remind them, they might forget and miss the deadline.

True...

Really, missing their turn is certainly their best chance to not kill themselves accidentally...

[Gandalf]

I thought the following statement by Gandalf

If sleeper dies before any EC, he's on our side. If sleeper dies after one EC, we know he's EC. So all innocent students are safe in the ghost forum.

clarified that the EC could gain no advantage by telling the sleeper he/she/it was the sleeper.
Actually, Gandalf made a good point that there was no incentive for the EC to have a dead sleeper on their side -- i.e. to infiltrate the ghost's forum. There is still plenty of incentive to have a living sleeper on their side, especially if the sleeper thinks it likely that one of the two EC would be killed before the sleeper (roughly a 2/3 chance, if all strikes are random).
This is not a trivial risk. We had thought that the EC could not convince the sleeper he (or she) is the sleeper, but we underestimated the possibilities. For example, a regular player id could PM the sleeper "You are the sleeper. Your confirmation number is 17." Then EC2 (who is bright enough to remember the confirmation number) could PM the sleeper "You are the sleeper. Your confirmation number is 17.") The matching confirmation numbers, one from the EC account, would prove that the corresponding player id was EC, something they never would tell an innocent student.

I don't think it really affects our strategy. We try to kill an EC. Then we know we have another EC to kill, so we worry about that one. Only then, if we still have someone to kill, do we worry about the sleeper. At that point, we have to consider the possibility that the sleeper was helping EC even before the first EC death, rather than looking just for changes in behavior at the first EC death.

[Ultimate Anyone?]

Whoa, what a surprise. I didn't do that! :x

Sunny, you're typing too fast again... his name is ahow, not whoa - get the letters in the right order next time! :)

[BC]

Whoa, what a surprise. I didn't do that! :x

Sunny, you're typing too fast again... his name is ahow, not whoa - get the letters in the right order next time! :)

It's a code (or should that be "eodc"?)

[Ebenezer Kohl]

Gandalf, the EC knows who the sleeper is from a PM from Mr. Penguin. Assume the sleeper is a friend of the EC. The EC could convince the sleeper by giving them access to their account.

[Jables]

Sorry to see you go, ahow... Despite my stapler picks (randomly selected by Excel), I'm still on the Avi suspicion. If he's still around after the next hit by the EC, he's my primary target for being EC himself.

[Gandalf]

Gandalf, the EC knows who the sleeper is from a PM from Mr. Penguin. Assume the sleeper is a friend of the EC. The EC could convince the sleeper by giving them access to their account.
Why would that convince anyone? Could an innocent student do anything damaging to the EC with access to the account? Certainly he couldn't make EC1 look any more stupid.

If the EC doesn't out a player id to the alleged sleeper, and prove that the player id must be an EC id, then the alleged sleeper has no reason to be convinced.

[Sunny]

Whoa, what a surprise. I didn't do that! :x

Sunny, you're typing too fast again... his name is ahow, not whoa - get the letters in the right order next time! :)
:lolup:
:rofl:

[Mulan]

Gandalf, the EC knows who the sleeper is from a PM from Mr. Penguin. Assume the sleeper is a friend of the EC. The EC could convince the sleeper by giving them access to their account.
Why would that convince anyone? Could an innocent student do anything damaging to the EC with access to the account? Certainly he couldn't make EC1 look any more stupid.

If the EC doesn't out a player id to the alleged sleeper, and prove that the player id must be an EC id, then the alleged sleeper has no reason to be convinced.Whew.. that's good to know.. isn't it, Will Durant? Die! Die! DIE!!

[Ebenezer Kohl]

Why would that convince anyone?
Because the sleeper would read the very PM Mr. Penguin sent.

[Kenshiro]

Because the sleeper would read the very PM Mr. Penguin sent.

Only the EC and Mr. Penguin would know if the PM was sent to the EC names or to the player names. Very suspicious.

[Ebenezer Kohl]

Because the sleeper would read the very PM Mr. Penguin sent.

Only the EC and Mr. Penguin would know if the PM was sent to the EC names or to the player names. Very suspicious.
It would be quite confusing if the PMs went to the EC accounts. How would the players know they were EC? The access you would give, if EC, would be to your personal account. This isn't rocket science here.

[Gandalf]

Why would that convince anyone?
Because the sleeper would read the very PM Mr. Penguin sent.
That seems unlikely, but if you are EC you would know the communication method.
I would have guessed something like this
You are EC.
Your partner is ___.
The sleeper is ___.
I've created an id for you. It is EC_. The password is __.
If so, then there is no reason for Mr. P to have PMed the sleeper's id to either the EC1 or EC2 account.

Barring that, then
You are EC1. The password for it is ___. It has info about your partner and the sleeper. In which case the sleeper still learns an EC id.

It's rather unlikely that a message from Mr. P would have the sleeper's id but not any EC ids.

[Gandalf]

Kenshiro beat me to the response, and EK's response to Kenshiro is even more bizarre.

OK, so EC2 doesn't send a PM from (as an example) Sunny to tell the sleeper he is the sleeper. EC2 just says, "Here look at this PM from Mr. P in Sunny's inbox, password ___, and you'll see you are the sleeper."

Even if the sleeper were as dumb as EC1, the sleeper would then have proof that Sunny is EC.

[Sunny]

I'm lost. What are we trying to figure out? :-?

[urysohn]

I rather strongly doubt any of the players in this game are so wrapped in it that they would hand out their personal ID passwords. Gandalf's confirmation code thought would be much more reasonable.

[Gandalf]

I'm lost. What are we trying to figure out? :-?
How you or your EC partner could convince the sleeper, pre-activation, that he was the sleeper, and whether it is necessary that you would have to reveal at least one of the EC's player ids to convince him.

[Sunny]

I'm lost. What are we trying to figure out? :-?
How you or your EC partner could convince the sleeper, pre-activation, that he was the sleeper, and whether it is necessary that you would have to reveal at least one of the EC's player ids to convince him.

Ok. :D

If you honestly think I'm EC, where did your fame about all that strategy wizardry come from? :-?

Oh yeah, maybe it's because, you are EC!!!!!

:evil:

Can we vote to lynch now?

Vote: Rocky

[Ebenezer Kohl]

I rather strongly doubt any of the players in this game are so wrapped in it that they would hand out their personal ID passwords. Gandalf's confirmation code thought would be much more reasonable.

Gandalf, the EC knows who the sleeper is from a PM from Mr. Penguin. Assume the sleeper is a friend of the EC. The EC could convince the sleeper by giving them access to their account.

I wouldn't think twice about trusting my friend's with my password. Passwords change easily so it isn't like they would have it for more than the time needed. Perhaps you need better friends, urysohn. You must be spending too much time with the EC. :roll:

[Gandalf]

Sunny,

Actually Ebenezer and I are trying to figure out how we, with no access to the EC accounts, can convince you that you are the sleeper and are supposed to sleep with us.

[urysohn]

You must be spending too much time with the EC. :roll:
Well yeah. They're really good people, fun to kick back and have a beer with. Once you can get over the whole "evil and bloodthirsty" bit.

And I think it's a pretty small group that I would consider friendly enough to share passwords with but not so friendly that they wouldn't just believe me when I told them I was EC and they were the sleeper.

[Sunny]

Sunny,

Actually Ebenezer and I are trying to figure out how we, with no access to the EC accounts, can convince you that you are the sleeper and are supposed to sleep with us.

I don't do wizards. :evil:

Especially not the EC kind!! :furious:

[Gandalf]

Sunny,

Actually Ebenezer and I are trying to figure out how we, with no access to the EC accounts, can convince you that you are the sleeper and are supposed to sleep with us.

I don't do wizards. :evil:

Wizards? Plural? I should have been more specific. "and are supposed to sleep with us individually." If you're not into threesomes, that's OK.

[Ebenezer Kohl]

And I think it's a pretty small group that I would consider friendly enough to share passwords with but not so friendly that they wouldn't just believe me when I told them I was EC and they were the sleeper.
Giving someone access to your account is personal. Tricking someone into believing they are the sleeper is within the game. :D I think any of my friends would want to see the PM. Anyone trusting EC on face value risks valid game deception.

[Mulan]

And I think it's a pretty small group that I would consider friendly enough to share passwords with but not so friendly that they wouldn't just believe me when I told them I was EC and they were the sleeper.
Giving someone access to your account is personal. Tricking someone into believing they are the sleeper is within the game. :D I think any of my friends would want to see the PM. Anyone trusting EC on face value risks valid game deception.I'm sorry if you've been the victim of this type of scam. You are not alone. We all have had moments that we've dispaired and cried out "Criminy, I hope I'M NOT the sleeper"... except Will and Cho, of course. Though they may have anyway, forgeting that they've already turned.

[Gandalf]

And I think it's a pretty small group that I would consider friendly enough to share passwords with but not so friendly that they wouldn't just believe me when I told them I was EC and they were the sleeper.
Sorry for the confusion. That was me, posting with urysohn's password. I forget how I was logged in. :D Now you know why urysohn isn't playing in the game.

[Super Silver Haze]

OK, so EC2 doesn't send a PM from (as an example) Sunny to tell the sleeper he is the sleeper. EC2 just says, "Here look at this PM from Mr. P in Sunny's inbox, password ___, and you'll see you are the sleeper."

Even if the sleeper were as dumb as EC1, the sleeper would then have proof that Sunny is EC.

But the sleeper would want to keep quiet about that, because the sleeper can only win the game if the EC wins.

Edit: Realized this is wrong, as the sleeper can win as a student if they get killed as a student. So the sleeper would have to get themselves killed first, then reveal their information about the EC... and that's assuming they thought the students had a good enough shot at getting the second EC to win the game. Yeesh.

[Ebenezer Kohl]

In an effort to protect their future and the honor of the FROAS designation, the students will attempt to unmask and lynch the members of the ersatz exam committee.
Choosing death doesn't protect your future. Once dead, honor of the FROAS designation continues to be a goal.

[All Clear]

You know, I read this thread at work, look through every post, but tend to only skim the "vote" updates, since I want to base who I vote for on my suspicions based on what is posted and pm'd, not those of others, this early on in the game (I don't think anyone really has that good of an idea on who is EC, so don't want to base my vote on the bold votes, but rather on the talk that goes on. Later in the game I may be able to notice a pattern of voting and identify an EC, or figure that someone with a lot of votes really has done something EC'ish that I may not have noticed, but I don't think that will happen this early on.)- the point is, I forgot my stapler vote Kaput Shakur and Mulan. I am enjoying this game so much more than the last, having to worry last time that reading through 60 thread pages was taking away from my exam study.

[Mulan]

In an effort to protect their future and the honor of the FROAS designation, the students will attempt to unmask and lynch the members of the ersatz exam committee.
Choosing death doesn't protect your future. Once dead, honor of the FROAS designation continues to be a goal.I'm not sure what you are trying to say. Very suspicious... :-?

[Mulan]

I am enjoying this game so much more than the last, It's more fun when you have an assigned role!! Oh, no, All Clear, are you EC? Mmmmm

[Ebenezer Kohl]

In an effort to protect their future and the honor of the FROAS designation, the students will attempt to unmask and lynch the members of the ersatz exam committee.
Choosing death doesn't protect your future. Once dead, honor of the FROAS designation continues to be a goal.I'm not sure what you are trying to say. Very suspicious... :-?
It takes more effort to quote two posts. Look at the post above my last. The EC sleeper doesn't fully win by choosing death once notified of their status because choosing death doesn't protect their future.

[Jables]

I am enjoying this game so much more than the last, It's more fun when you have an assigned role!! Oh, no, All Clear, are you EC? Mmmmm

I'll tell you what... I'm not the EC this time, and in turn I'm enjoying the game more not having to be paranoid that "everyone is on to me"...

[Sunny]

You know, I read this thread at work, look through every post, but tend to only skim the "vote" updates, since I want to base who I vote for on my suspicions based on what is posted and pm'd, not those of others, this early on in the game (I don't think anyone really has that good of an idea on who is EC, so don't want to base my vote on the bold votes, but rather on the talk that goes on. Later in the game I may be able to notice a pattern of voting and identify an EC, or figure that someone with a lot of votes really has done something EC'ish that I may not have noticed, but I don't think that will happen this early on.)- the point is, I forgot my stapler vote Kaput Shakur and Mulan. I am enjoying this game so much more than the last, having to worry last time that reading through 60 thread pages was taking away from my exam study.
[copying Mulan]
I'm not sure what you're trying to say, very suspicious.

:lol:

[Rocky]

I'm lost. What are we trying to figure out? :-?
How you or your EC partner could convince the sleeper, pre-activation, that he was the sleeper, and whether it is necessary that you would have to reveal at least one of the EC's player ids to convince him.

Ok. :D

If you honestly think I'm EC, where did your fame about all that strategy wizardry come from? :-?

Oh yeah, maybe it's because, you are EC!!!!!

:evil:

Can we vote to lynch now?

Vote: Rocky

She can't get me out of her head...

I think that the protocol should be that we don't vote until it's our turn to lynch. However, feel free to blurt out votes at will and let Mr. P. figure out what counts.

[4sigma]

Rocky,

All I can say is "what goes around comes around."

Last game you were beating the drum for my lynching at every opportunity. I think it was 4 or 5 rounds of this before I finally posted my argument for lynching you.

Now you get to see what it feels like to have an early drummer singing your tune. I hope you are enjoying it as much as I did. Of course, I was not EC, whereas you.... :wink:

[Sunny]

I'm enjoying it! :D

[Rocky]

I'm enjoying it! :D

That's what she said!


literally in this case

[urysohn]

OK, so EC2 doesn't send a PM from (as an example) Sunny to tell the sleeper he is the sleeper. EC2 just says, "Here look at this PM from Mr. P in Sunny's inbox, password ___, and you'll see you are the sleeper."

Even if the sleeper were as dumb as EC1, the sleeper would then have proof that Sunny is EC.

But the sleeper would want to keep quiet about that, because the sleeper can only win the game if the EC wins.

Edit: Realized this is wrong, as the sleeper can win as a student if they get killed as a student. So the sleeper would have to get themselves killed first, then reveal their information about the EC... and that's assuming they thought the students had a good enough shot at getting the second EC to win the game. Yeesh.
This is an excellent argument and why the EC would not want the sleeper to know both identities before the sleeper is activated. Otherwise, the sleeper "outs" himself as the sleeper, gets himself killed, then immediately sets his stapler vote for the two known EC.
Or rather, this is why the students should not lynch a supposed sleeper until after the first EC is hit.

[Rocky]

Rocky,

All I can say is "what goes around comes around."

Last game you were beating the drum for my lynching at every opportunity. I think it was 4 or 5 rounds of this before I finally posted my argument for lynching you.

Now you get to see what it feels like to have an early drummer singing your tune. I hope you are enjoying it as much as I did. Of course, I was not EC, whereas you.... :wink:

You're way off...it was 7-8 rounds, at least!

I don't have any problem with Sunny putting my name in bold as often as she likes...she could tattoo it on her ankle (in bold of course), if she'd like...

Like I said, I'm not playing to stay alive this game...I'm playing to get the EC.

If Sunny (or anyone else) thinks that I'm EC, they should vote for me. Also, Sunny should feel free to put together any reasons that she has for thinking I'm EC and share them with everyone...Actually, that project sounds like it's more up 4sigma's alley. :D

by the way, 4sigma...were you right about me last game :oops:

[Rocky]

Or rather, this is why the students should not lynch a supposed sleeper until after the first EC is hit.

"supposed sleeper"...yeah, we're qualified to determine who that is :roll:

[Butters]

Great death scene, ahow. Sorry to see another innocent student die. Now we wait to see who the EC hits next.

[Traina]

I'm back. I only have internet access from work for the rest of the month. I'll try to catch up on the posts. However, I see a lot of innocent students have perished :cry:

[Gandalf]

Welcome back, Traina.

Anyone else missing in action? Come to think of it, we haven't heard from EC2 recently. Do we think he (or she)'s been away, or is just embarrassed to be associated with EC1?

They aren't responding to the student hits and slayer hits with "EC Never Wases". Does this suggest they feel no glee, since one of those hits did get the sleeper?

[Sunny]

Great death scene, ahow. Sorry to see another innocent student die. Now we wait to see who the EC hits next.

I've checked my Inbox, haven't seen my death summons yet.

[urysohn]

Great death scene, ahow. Sorry to see another innocent student die. Now we wait to see who the EC hits next.

I've checked my Inbox, haven't seen my death summons yet.
Did you check your Outbox to find the summons?

[Sunny]

Great death scene, ahow. Sorry to see another innocent student die. Now we wait to see who the EC hits next.

I've checked my Inbox, haven't seen my death summons yet.
Did you check your Outbox to find the summons?
I forgot.

[Gandalf]

I've checked my Inbox, haven't seen my death summons yet.
I would refer to what you get from Mr. P as a "death ballot" or "death selection". Maybe you consider it equivalent to a summons for jury duty?

[Sunny]

I've checked my Inbox, haven't seen my death summons yet.
I would refer to what you get from Mr. P as a "death ballot" or "death selection". Maybe you consider it equivalent to a summons for jury duty?
I'm not too smart, what's the difference? Thanks!

[Gandalf]

"death ballot" is the PM Mr. P sends you and your partner asking "Which innocent student will you kill next".

"death summons" is what Mr. P sends some innocent student telling him that you and your partner have chosen him to be killed.

[Rocky]

"death ballot" is the PM Mr. P sends you and your partner asking "Which innocent student will you kill next".

For EC1's sake, this ballot had better be multiple choice...and list only innocent students.

My theory is that EC2 has been making all the choices thus far since EC1 can't figure out how to punch the CHAD on his computer screen ballot.

[Mulan]

I guess EC1 (aka Will Durant, just to be consistent) forgot the rules of the game again, Mr. P. Just so you know, Will: IT'S YOUR TURN... there, that should help. :shake:

[Sunny]

My theory is that EC2 has been making all the choices thus far since EC1 can't figure out how to punch the CHAD on his computer screen ballot.
:lol:

[Rocky]

Below is a list of some players that have been fairly quiet recently (not that this adds anything to our discussion, but I'm killing time while our special ed version of the EC figures out who is still alive)...

Ultimate Anyone
Kenshiro
Maine-iac
Anonymouse
RedSoxFan
Kaput Shakur
Macroman
thing

[edited to put in italics the players who have posted since I put this list up...again, not useful info]

[Macroman]

I've checked my Inbox, haven't seen my death summons yet.
I would refer to what you get from Mr. P as a "death ballot" or "death selection". Maybe you consider it equivalent to a summons for jury duty?
I'm not too smart, what's the difference? Thanks!

Sunny's campaigning for the job of EC1.

[Kaput Shakur]

Shhhhh!

Some of us are playing dead to gather clues, and listen in on the bad guys. They won't figure that out, will they?

[Rocky]

I've checked my Inbox, haven't seen my death summons yet.
I would refer to what you get from Mr. P as a "death ballot" or "death selection". Maybe you consider it equivalent to a summons for jury duty?
I'm not too smart, what's the difference? Thanks!

Sunny's campaigning for the job of EC1.

Some (not me, necessarily) would say that she's the incumbent already... :D

[Rocky]

Shhhhh!

Some of us are playing dead to gather clues, and listen in on the bad guys. They won't figure that out, will they?

Nah...go ahead and put that Super Silver Haze Spy Kit to work...

[Ebenezer Kohl]

Kenshiro (http://actuary.ca/phpBB/search.php?search_author=Kenshiro) has been active and offer valuable posts, unlike most of the tiresome stuff that is posted to this thread. And we just discussed why Anonymouse (http://actuary.ca/phpBB/search.php?search_author=Anonymouse) was absent (note: He has been active recently). Perhaps fewer posts would make this thread more attractive to a greater number of people. I’m not suggesting not posting, but perhaps attempt to be concise in your remarks.

[urysohn]

I’m not suggesting not posting, but perhaps attempt to be concise in your remarks.
spoken like a true EC.

[Rocky]

Kenshiro (http://actuary.ca/phpBB/search.php?search_author=Kenshiro) has been active and offer valuable posts, unlike most of the tiresome stuff that is posted to this thread. And we just discussed why Anonymouse (http://actuary.ca/phpBB/search.php?search_author=Anonymouse) was absent (note: He has been active recently). Perhaps fewer posts would make this thread more attractive to a greater number of people. I’m not suggesting not posting, but perhaps attempt to be concise in your remarks.

It looks like we may have different definitions of "quiet".

Kenshiro has 9 posts in this thread. 4 are votes. 1 is joining the game.

Like I said in my initial post, it's not necessarily useful information...just my observation.

[Ebenezer Kohl]

I’m not suggesting not posting, but perhaps attempt to be concise in your remarks.
spoken like a true EC.
Spoken like a true *Site Supporter:

*Gandalf 6320
*Avi 5450
*Mulan 5286
*Cho Da 2456

Jables 6921
Maine-iac 6565
karma police 4061
CubedBee 3864
Sunny 3191
Will Durant 2111
Traina 1907
Hagbard Celine 1745
Werewolf 1632
Macroman 1612

Ahow Staked by Slayer - Innocent Student 1365
thing 1363
RedSoxFan 1243
Oblomov - Lynched by the Students - Innocent Student 1190
Ebenezer Kohlx 1174
BC 1064
4sigma 1052
Ultimate Anyone 994
Rocky 855
J.T. 813
Anonymouse 655
Asynchronous 298
All Clear 283
jadzia 278
snafu - Lynched by the Students - Innocent Student 243
Kenshiro 187
Butters 115
Leela - Slain by EC - Innocent Student 96
Kaput Shakur 90
Super Silver Haze - Slain by EC - Innocent Student 34
stu - Staked by Slayer - Innocent Student ???

[Avi]

If, and only if, the following duo is still open, I would like to change my stapler guess to Kaput Shakur and BC, otherwise I remain with my previous Maine-iac & BC.

[snafu]

If, and only if, the following duo is still open, I would like to change my stapler guess to Kaput Shakur and BC, otherwise I remain with my previous Maine-iac & BC.

I've been tracking and my records show Kaput & BC as being open.

[Gandalf]

Avi: Are you sure that stapler vote is well-defined? That combination, and any other combination, is open for votes. It could be right to vote for them now even if someone else currently has them, as the other party might later change, moving you into "earliest". Or possibly your intent is to vote for them only if no one currently has them.

It is understandable that you would not be aware of the details of the stapler voting, since you would win the stapler by being alive at the end of the game, without teammates.

[Hagbard Celine]

Can we see a list of stapler votes?

[Ultimate Anyone?]

I’m not suggesting not posting, but perhaps attempt to be concise in your remarks.
spoken like a true EC.
Spoken like a true *Site Supporter:

*Gandalf 6320
*Avi 5450
*Mulan 5286
*Cho Da 2456

Jables 6921
Maine-iac 6565
karma police 4061
CubedBee 3864
Sunny 3191
Will Durant 2111
Traina 1907
Hagbard Celine 1745
Werewolf 1632
Macroman 1612

Ahow Staked by Slayer - Innocent Student 1365
thing 1363
RedSoxFan 1243
Oblomov - Lynched by the Students - Innocent Student 1190
Ebenezer Kohlx 1174
BC 1064
4sigma 1052
Ultimate Anyone 994
Rocky 855
J.T. 813
Anonymouse 655
Asynchronous 298
All Clear 283
jadzia 278
snafu - Lynched by the Students - Innocent Student 243
Kenshiro 187
Butters 115
Leela - Slain by EC - Innocent Student 96
Kaput Shakur 90
Super Silver Haze - Slain by EC - Innocent Student 34
stu - Staked by Slayer - Innocent Student ???

Okay, I can't figure it out - the first break in the list is the Site Supporters, but what's the deal with the second break?

[snafu]

Here are the votes and Stapler guesses for Round2 completed
Line Candidate Action Candidates
0001 GAME END OF PAGE 3 - START OF GAME
0002 Mulan SUGGEST Sunny, Leela
0003 EC KILLS Super Silver Haze
0004 GAME END OF PAGE 6
0005 snafu SUGGEST Gandalf, Hagbard Celine, Kenshiro, Sunny
0006 jadzia SUGGEST Gandalf, Hagbard, Traina and 4sigma
0007 Mulan SUGGEST Cho Da, CubedBee, Gandalf, or Hagbard Celine
0008 Cho Da VOTE Butters
0009 Avi SUGGEST Gandalf
0010 Kenshiro VOTE Mulan
0011 Will Durant VOTE Kenshiro
0012 Avi VOTE Gandalf
0013 snafu VOTE Gandalf
0014 Mulan VOTE Kenshiro
0015 karma police VOTE Gandalf
0016 Kaput Shakur STAPLER jadzia and leela
0017 Sunny "DEATH TO THE STUDENTS" slipup
0018 snafu UNVOTE Gandalf
0019 snafu VOTE Sunny
0020 thing VOTE Gandalf
0021 Hagbard Celine VOTE Sunny
0022 Maine-iac VOTE Sunny
0023 Sunny VOTE Mulan
0024 Will Durant UNVOTE Kenshiro
0025 Will Durant VOTE Sunny
0026 Mulan UNVOTE Kenshiro
0027 Mulan VOTE Sunny
0028 karma police UNVOTE Gandalf
0029 karma police VOTE Sunny
0030 4Sigma Volunteers to be martryed
0031 BC VOTE 4Sigma
0032 Sunny Posts EC1 Chat transcript
0033 Sunny UNVOTE Mulan
0034 Sunny VOTE karma police
0035 GAME END OF PAGE 11
0036 jadzia VOTE 4Sigma
0037 cubedbee VOTE 4Sigma
0038 Rocky VOTE 4Sigma
0039 Leela VOTE 4Sigma
0040 Sunny UNVOTE karma police
0041 Sunny VOTE 4Sigma
0042 thing UNVOTE Gandalf
0043 thing VOTE 4Sigma
0044 GAME Tally Checks to Mr. P on Page 12
0045 snafu STAPLER Sunny and jadzia
0046 Kaput Shakur VOTE 4Sigma
0047 Rocky STAPLER Jables and CubedBee
0048 RedSoxFan VOTE 4Sigma
0049 Traina VOTE Sunny
0050 ahow VOTE Sunny
0051 ahow STAPLER Sunny and Mulan
0052 Ultimate Anyone? VOTE Sunny
0053 Ultimate Anyone? STAPLER Sunny and Stu
0054 RedSoxFan STAPLER Sunny and Uitimate Anyone?
0055 Sunny STAPLER karma police and snafu
0056 Ebenezer Kohl VOTE Sunny
0057 Ebenezer Kohl UNVOTE Sunny
0058 Ebenezer Kohl VOTE 4Sigma
0059 Ebenezer Kohl STAPLER Sunny and Will Durant
0060 Werewolf STAPLER Sunny and snafu
0061 Werewolf VOTE 4Sigma
0062 karma police STAPLER Sunny and Gandalf
0063 Super Silver Haze STAPLER snafu and Mulan
0064 jadzia STAPLER Sunny and Kaput Shakur
0065 Macroman STAPLER Rocky and Gandalf
0066 CubedBee STAPLER Kaput Shakur and Gandalf
0067 Cho Da UNVOTE Butters
0068 Cho Da VOTE Rocky
0069 Traina STAPLER Kenshiro and Werewolf
0070 Maine-iac STAPLER Mulan and ahow
0071 Rocky UNVOTE 4Sigma
0072 Cho Da UNVOTE Rocky
0073 Cho Da VOTE Sunny
0074 Cho Da STAPLER Sunny and BC
0075 Mulan STAPLER Will Durant and Cho Da
0076 Mulan UNVOTE Sunny
0077 Mulan VOTE Cho Da
0078 GAME END OF PAGE 15
0079 snafu UNVOTE Sunny
0080 snafu VOTE 4Sigma
0081 Leela UNVOTE 4Sigma
0082 Leela STAPLER Sunny and J.T.
0083 Jables VOTE Jables
0084 Cho Da UNVOTE Sunny
0085 Cho Da VOTE snafu
0086 J.T. VOTE snafu
0087 BC STAPLER Cho Da and Mulan
0088 EC_Slayer SUGGEST Oblomov
0089 snafu UNVOTE 4Sigma
0090 snafu VOTE Oblomov
0091 Mulan UNVOTE Cho Da
0092 Mulan VOTE Oblomov
0093 Asynchronous VOTE Oblomov
0094 Ebenezer Kohl UNVOTE 4Sigma
0095 Ebenezer Kohl VOTE Oblomov
0096 thing STAPLER Sunny and Ultimate Anyone?
0097 J.T. UNVOTE snafu
0098 J.T. VOTE Oblomov
0099 GAME END OF PAGE 16
0100 cubedbee UNVOTE 4Sigma
0101 cubedbee VOTE Oblomov
0102 Kenshiro UNVOTE Mulan
0103 Kenshiro VOTE Oblomov
0104 Leela VOTE Oblomov
0105 Jables UNVOTE Jables
0106 Jables VOTE Oblomov
0107 Sunny UNVOTE 4Sigma
0108 Sunny VOTE Oblomov
0109 Hagbard Celine UNVOTE Sunny
0110 Hagbard Celine VOTE Oblomov
0111 Kaput Shakur UNVOTE 4Sigma
0112 Kaput Shakur VOTE Oblomov
0113 Gandalf VOTE Oblomov
0114 karma police UNVOTE Sunny
0115 karma police VOTE Oblomov
0116 GAME END OF PAGE 17
0117 Kenshiro STAPLER Mulan and Rocky
0118 4Sigma VOTE Oblomov
0119 jadzia UNVOTE 4Sigma
0120 jadzia VOTE Oblomov
0121 GAME END OF PAGE 18
0122 Ultimate Anyone? UNVOTE Sunny
0123 Ultimate Anyone? VOTE Oblomov
0124 STUDENTS LYNCH Oblomov
0125 Jables STAPLER jadzia and Ultimate Anyone?
0126 Rocky VOTE Sunny
0127 GAME END OF PAGE 19
0128 EC_Slayer SLAYS Stu
0129 GAME END OF ROUND 1
0130 Butters STAPLER Avi and thing
0131 Avi STAPLER Maine-iac and BC
0132 cubedbee STAPLER Mulan and snafu
0133 Ultimate Anyone? STAPLER Sunny and Anonymouse
0134 Hagbard Celine STAPLER Sunny and Rocky
0135 EC KILLS Leela
0136 GAME END OF PAGE 23
0137 Mulan VOTE Will Durant
0138 Will Durant VOTE Mulan
0139 Ebenezer Kohl VOTE Will Durant
0140 CubedBee VOTE Gandalf
0141 Sunny VOTE Gandalf
0142 Kaput Shakur VOTE Gandalf
0143 Kaput Shakur STAPLER jadzia and Sunny
0144 karma police VOTE Sunny
0145 Sunny STAPLER Gandalf and Karma Police
0146 Will Durant STAPLER Mulan and Sunny
0147 GAME END OF PAGE 25
0148 GAME Tally Checks to Mr. P on Page 26
0149 Cho Da VOTE snafu
0150 Butters VOTE Avi
0151 4Sigma SUGGEST Mulan, snafu, karma police
0152 4Sigma STAPLER snafu and karma police
0153 snafu SUGGEST Sunny, Macroman, BC, snafu
0154 BC VOTE Will Durant
0155 karma police VOTE Gandalf
0156 Avi SUGGEST Sunny, BC
0157 Mulan SUGGEST Cho Da, Will Durant
0158 Kenshiro VOTE Avi
0159 GAME END OF PAGE 28
0160 karma police UNVOTE Sunny
0161 karma police UNVOTE Gandalf
0162 karma police VOTE Gandalf
0163 J.T. SUGGEST Mulan, Will Durant
0164 thing VOTE Avi
0165 GAME END OF PAGE 30
0166 GHOSTS Suggest students should lynch snafu
0167 snafu VOTE snafu
0168 cubedbee UNVOTE Gandalf
0169 cubedbee VOTE snafu
0170 Jables VOTE snafu
0171 J.T. VOTE snafu
0172 Gandalf VOTE snafu
0173 Anonymouse VOTE snafu
0174 RedSoxFan VOTE snafu
0175 jadzia VOTE snafu
0176 Maine-iac VOTE snafu
0177 Sunny UNVOTE Gandalf
0178 Sunny VOTE snafu
0179 Avi VOTE snafu
0180 Kaput Shakur UNVOTE Gandalf
0181 Kaput Shakur VOTE snafu
0182 Gandalf UNVOTE snafu
0183 Sunny UNVOTE snafu
0184 All Clear VOTE snafu
0185 Sunny VOTE snafu
0186 Asynchronous VOTE snafu
0187 Ebenezer Kohl UNVOTE Will Durant
0188 Ebenezer Kohl VOTE snafu
0189 Mulan UNVOTE Will Durant
0190 Mulan VOTE snafu
0191 Will Durant UNVOTE Mulan
0192 Will Durant VOTE snafu
0193 Gandalf VOTE snafu
0194 STUDENTS LYNCH snafu
0195 Super Silver Haze STAPLER 4Sigma and Gandalf
0196 Macroman VOTE snafu
0197 Werewolf VOTE snafu
0198 Werewolf STAPLER Sunny and Cho Da
0199 Sunny STAPLER Rocky and Karma Police
0200 Sunny SUGGEST Mulan, BC, Avi, and Gandalf
0201 Sunny VOTE Rocky
0202 GAME END OF PAGE 34
0203 Mulan SUGGEST Will Durant and Cho Da
0204 Sunny SUGGEST Mulan and Will Durant
0205 Gandalf SUGGEST Cho Da
0206 Rocky SUGGEST Jables, Ahow, Cho Da
0207 Mulan SUGGEST Will Durant, Cho Da, Avi, CubedBee, Sunny
0208 Cho Da SUGGEST Sunny, Will Durant, Mulan
0209 Hagbard Celine SUGGEST Sunny
0210 Sunny SUGGEST BC
0211 Sunny VOTE Will Durant
0212 GAME END OF PAGE 36
0213 EC_Slayer SLAYS ahow
0214 GAME END OF ROUND 2
0215 Mr. P All Round 3 votes prior to EC killing don't count
0216 Sunny VOTE Rocky
0217 All Clear STAPLER Kaput Shakur and Mulan
0218 Avi STAPLER Kaput Shakur and BC

[Gandalf]

Does anyone besides me find Ebenezer's list suspiciously inaccurate? I spot checked it, just looking at the people who have posted on this page. Every one of them has more posts that Ebenezer listed! Let's lynch him.

[Rocky]

ummm...unsuggest Ahow. :oops:

[Ebenezer Kohl]

Okay, I can't figure it out - the first break in the list is the Site Supporters, but what's the deal with the second break?
The second break shows everyone above has remained in the game. The EC has killed two of the bottom three. Kaput Shakur should be worried. Thus far the untouchables have had a high post count.

[urysohn]

Okay, I can't figure it out - the first break in the list is the Site Supporters, but what's the deal with the second break?
The second break shows everyone above has remained in the game. The EC has killed two of the bottom three. Kaput Shakur should be worried. Thus far the untouchables have had a high post count.
So we can conclude that TDA is not EC, since he would be more likely to take out his bigger competitors. Not that he would really see them as such.

[Ebenezer Kohl]

So we can conclude that TDA is not EC, since he would be more likely to take out his bigger competitors. Not that he would really see them as such.
False. TDA would leave in his competitors so as not to stand out in the end. The only advice you give, urysohn, is bad advice. Are you trying to help your EC buddies?

[urysohn]

So we can conclude that TDA is not EC, since he would be more likely to take out his bigger competitors. Not that he would really see them as such.
The only advice you give, urysohn, is bad advice. Are you trying to help your EC buddies?
You think it bad advice to rule out someone not nominally playing the game? Very suspicious.

And yes, I am trying to help the EC. And the students. And the Slayer. Game's a lot of fun when you're playing all sides :D

[Gandalf]

jadzia 278
snafu - Lynched by the Students - Innocent Student 243
Kenshiro 187
Butters 115
Leela - Slain by EC - Innocent Student 96
Kaput Shakur 90
Super Silver Haze - Slain by EC - Innocent Student 34
stu - Staked by Slayer - Innocent Student ???

Okay, I can't figure it out - the first break in the list is the Site Supporters, but what's the deal with the second break?

Okay, I can't figure it out - the first break in the list is the Site Supporters, but what's the deal with the second break?
The second break shows everyone above has remained in the game. The EC has killed two of the bottom three. Kaput Shakur should be worried. Thus far the untouchables have had a high post count.
So the intent of the list was to give us information about the correlation between post count and being alive. Yet Ebenezer did not bother to determine the post count of one of the few examples of players no longer living, stu, with 264 posts. If this does not create a firm basis for unjustified suspicion, I don't know what does.

[Leela]

Here are the orange votes so far (in alphabetically order)

Name - Vote
4Sigma - Rocky & urysohn - karma police & snafu
Ahow - Mulan & Sunny
All Clear - Kaput Shakur & Mulan
Anonymouse - None
Asynchronous - None
Avi - BC & Maine-iac - BC & Kaput Shakur
BC - Cho Da & Mulan
Butters - Avi & thing
Cho Da - BC & Sunny
CubedBee - Gandalf & Kaput Shakur - Mulan & snafu (2)
Ebenezer Kohl - Sunny & Will Durant
Gandalf - 42 & urysohn
Hagbard Celine - Sunny & Rocky
J.T. - None
Jables - jadzia & Ultimate Anyone
jadzia - Kaput Shakur & Sunny
Kaput Shakur - jadzia & Leela - jadzia & Sunny (2)
karma police - Gandalf & Sunny
Kenshiro - Mulan & Rocky
Leela - J.T. & Sunny
Macroman - Gandalf & Rocky
Maine-iac - Ahow & Mulan
Mulan - Cho Da & Will Durant
Oblomov - None
RedSoxFan - Sunny & Ultimate Anyone
Rocky - CubedBee & Jables
Snafu - jadzia & Sunny
stu - None
Sunny - karma police & snafu - Gandalf & karma police - karma police & Rocky
Super Silver Haze - Mulan & snafu - 4sigma & Gandalf
thing - Sunny & Ultimate Anyone (2)
Traina - Kenshiro & Werewolf
Ultimate Anyone - stu & Sunny - Anonymouse & Sunny
Werewolf - snafu & Sunny - Cho Da & Sunny
Will Durant - Mulan & Sunny (2)

*The (2) after thing's vote means he was the second player to vote for Sunny & Ultimate Anyone

[BC]

If anyone would like to see the preliminary model a few of us have worked on, I (we) have agreed to provide the general structure via PM or, if there is sufficient demand, as a post.

[Ebenezer Kohl]

You think it bad advice to rule out someone not nominally playing the game? Very suspicious.
In three prior games, that strategy has not eliminated a single EC, not even CubedBee.

Funny thing about stu, I don’t see a post on this thread, which made listing him difficult. Do you see a post on this thread, Gandalf? 264 posts? Seems low, yes? But wasn’t he the former slayer, so what does it matter?

[Macroman]

If anyone would like to see the preliminary model a few of us have worked on, I (we) have agreed to provide the general structure via PM or, if there is sufficient demand, as a post.

Sounds interesting, I'd like to see it. I had not really thought about trying to "model" this game.

[Mulan]

not even CubedBee.Why don't we eliminate him this time, then?

[Rocky]

If anyone would like to see the preliminary model a few of us have worked on, I (we) have agreed to provide the general structure via PM or, if there is sufficient demand, as a post.

If your model is Tyra Banks, send over the whole structure!

[BC]

If anyone would like to see the preliminary model a few of us have worked on, I (we) have agreed to provide the general structure via PM or, if there is sufficient demand, as a post.

If your model is Tyra Banks, send over the whole structure!

I don't think even I know enough mathematics to sufficiently flesh HER out.

:wink:

[Gandalf]

You think it bad advice to rule out someone not nominally playing the game? Very suspicious.
In three prior games, that strategy has not eliminated a single EC, not even CubedBee.

Funny thing about stu, I don’t see a post on this thread, which made listing him difficult. Do you see a post on this thread, Gandalf? 264 posts? Seems low, yes? But wasn’t he the former slayer, so what does it matter?
No posts in this thread. He must have signed up by PM. Search for posts by stu produces 264 hits.

No, he wasn't the former slayer. I misread Mr. P's post at first, too. Our first slayer chose to stake stu, who was an innocent student. The first slayer then returned to innocent student status, thinking he or she might not have time to do what was expected of the slayer. Mr. P appointed an alternate slayer.

[jadzia]

If anyone would like to see the preliminary model a few of us have worked on, I (we) have agreed to provide the general structure via PM or, if there is sufficient demand, as a post.

Sounds interesting, I'd like to see it. I had not really thought about trying to "model" this game.

I'm interested too...

[Sunny]

This game is getting boring if we don't do some kind of activities to get the ECs out. Can we maybe propose something? Like jumping rope or rock climbing, oh yeah maybe a mock actuarial exam!!

I'm just getting bored. What did you guys do last time? :-?

[Mulan]

Does the EC have a deadline? I suggest we just skip them. The only thing we lose is the chance that those dummies might execute EC1 or EC2 by mistake. Right, Cho Da? Tee hee.

[Rocky]

This game is getting boring if we don't do some kind of activities to get the ECs out. Can we maybe propose something? Like jumping rope or rock climbing, oh yeah maybe a mock actuarial exam!!

I'm just getting bored. What did you guys do last time? :-?

The female participants sent scantily-clad pictures of themselves.

Come to think of it, since it worked then, you should revive that EC game tradition?