Beneath the Planet of the Exam Committee

[Mr. Penguin]

The EC has chosen their victim. The death scene will be posted later this evening.

Please feel free to start posting your paranoid ramblings.

[RedSoxFan]

Below is a list of some players that have been fairly quiet recently (not that this adds anything to our discussion, but I'm killing time while our special ed version of the EC figures out who is still alive)...

Ultimate Anyone
Kenshiro
Maine-iac
Anonymouse
RedSoxFan
Kaput Shakur
Macroman
thing

[edited to put in italics the players who have posted since I put this list up...again, not useful info]

You can italicize me now.

I have barely enough time to read the posts, I don't have enough time to come up with anything intelligent and constructive to say.

And I'm still most suspicious of Sunny but if I say I am then she'll get mad :evil: at me :cry:

[Sunny]

Let's see, my suspects are (paranoid ramblings): Mr. Penguini (he always seem to be writing some conspiracy), urysohn (how else would he know I'm the slayer! :evil:), TDA (he is everywhere! thanks!) and that Cannonball guy (is that his name, I forget).

Vote: Rocky

:D Yeah, still obsessed about you.

[Mulan]

The EC has chosen their victim. The death scene will be posted later this evening.

Please feel free to start posting your paranoid ramblings. START?

[Gandalf]

This game is getting boring if we don't do some kind of activities to get the ECs out. Can we maybe propose something? Like jumping rope or rock climbing, oh yeah maybe a mock actuarial exam!!

I'm just getting bored. What did you guys do last time? :-?

As Rocky said, we looked at pictures in leather.
http://actuary.ca/phpBB/viewtopic.php?p=498795#498795

[Mr. Penguin]

The EC has chosen their victim. The death scene will be posted later this evening.

Please feel free to start posting your paranoid ramblings. START?

You mean I've missed some???

:lol:

[Sunny]

And I'm still most suspicious of Sunny but if I say I am then she'll get mad :evil: at me :cry:
Yes I am still mad at you! :swear: no chess for you! :evil:

[Gandalf]

Please feel free to start posting your paranoid ramblings.
But we cannot actually start to vote for Sunny until after the death scene, can we?

[Mr. Penguin]

Vote: Rocky


My oh my, you're impatient.

Voting doesn't start until the death scene.

[Sunny]

My oh my, you're impatient.

Very. :D

[Gandalf]

Sunny thought the requirements to vote were (a) Mr. P had announced the death choice had been made; and (b) the voter knew who the victim was.

[Sunny]

Gandalf, is this the famed strategy or are you EC?

I'm just always checking in, and when penguini says to start, I did! :D

Notice I still have no clue about many things, including when to vote, and definitely no idea who the victim is. Although, I did notice my inbox is still empty (from the ECs that is, but 100% full of other things). :D:D:D

[Mr. Penguin]

Although, I did notice my inbox is still empty.

Didn't you get my nudie pictures?

[Sunny]

Although, I did notice my inbox is still empty.

Didn't you get my nudie pictures?

yeah but naked penguins don't turn me on. ;)

[RedSoxFan]

And I'm still most suspicious of Sunny but if I say I am then she'll get mad :evil: at me :cry:
Yes I am still mad at you! :swear: no chess for you! :evil:

:crying:

[Leela]

Here is the tally so far for Round 3 (as far as I can tell):

Suggested:
Avi - 2
BC - 2
Cho Da - 2
CubedBee - 1
Gandalf - 1
Jables - 1
Mulan - 3
Sunny - 3
Will Durant - 5

Votes
Rocky - 1 (even though it is not valid yet)


*This only includes suggestions and votes for living players. Also if a player suggested or voted for the same person twice, it was only counted once. For example, Sunny has voted for Rocky more than once, but I only counted it as one vote.

[Sunny]

Sunny has voted for Rocky more than once, but I only counted it as one vote.

Can the EC Slayer also vote so we can count mine as two votes? :D

[Will Durant]

Vote: Rocky


My oh my, you're impatient.

Voting doesn't start until the death scene.
Since Sunny already knows who the victim is going to be, she's dispensing with the formalities.

[Gandalf]

Although, I did notice my inbox is still empty (from the ECs that is, but 100% full of other things). :D:D:DThat is not surprising. If you are EC2, you would get PMs from Mr. P, who is not EC. We're not sure if your partner EC1 knows how to send PMs. He did open one I sent him, but he didn't respond.

[Sunny]

We're not sure if your partner EC1 knows how to send PMs.
:rofl:

He's not my partner, my partner ain't that dumb. But EC1 did know how to get into chat though.

[Gandalf]

He's not my partner, my partner ain't that dumb.
Sunny's partner = EC2. Pass it on.

[Sunny]

psssstt, I think it's more likely I'm the slayer, since I posted right before ahow's death scene. :D

[Gandalf]

psssstt, I think it's more likely I'm the slayer, since I posted right before ahow's death scene. :D
You could be right. You asked if it was your turn, and within the same minute ahow posted an elaborate death scene. He sure typed quickly after you made your decision. :roll:

and psssstt, the slayer doesn't have a partner this game.

[Sunny]

:lol:

I meant partners irl wizard. Why are you so mean to me! Are you EC!?! :evil:


DEATH TO THE EC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Will Durant]

:lol:

I meant partners irl wizard. Why are you so mean to me! Are you EC!?! :evil:

DEATH TO THE EC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Apparently EC1 is not as dumb as Gandalf thinks. She's figured out how to spell EC.

[Sunny]

:rofl:

Notice I'm trying to get myself killed here from the beginning, but somehow neither the EC nor the students would do it. What gives? :-?

[Gandalf]

I meant partners irl wizard.
First it was "partner", now "partners". You'll be more believable if you choose one lie and stick to it.

How you doin? Want to increase your partner count by 1?

[Rocky]

You can italicize me now.

too late...it seems like many of those on the list have rejoined us...

I have barely enough time to read the posts, I don't have enough time to come up with anything intelligent and constructive to say.

that doesn't stop me :D

And I'm still most suspicious of Sunny but if I say I am then she'll get mad :evil: at me :cry:

Don't worry, she doesn't read any of this garbage anyway... :roll:

[Sunny]

First it was "partner", now "partners". You'll be more believable if you choose one lie and stick to it.


I'm pretty confused in general so should I do singular or plural? Thanks!

[Rocky]

First it was "partner", now "partners". You'll be more believable if you choose one lie and stick to it.


I'm pretty confused in general so should I do singular or plural? Thanks!

When "do"ing, it's a matter of choice...totally up to you...

but any more than 5 can get very messy

[Rocky]

For example, Sunny has voted for Rocky more than once, but I only counted it as one vote.

I'm giving her multiple vote-gasms!

[Rocky]

...and when penguini says to start, I did! :D


Start posting the Polaroids, Missy

Well???

[Sunny]

huhn :-?

[Asynchronous]

Great death scene, ahow. Sorry to see another innocent student die. Now we wait to see who the EC hits next.
Sounds a little to much like someone trying to sound innocent.

Vote: Butters

[4sigma]

BC, I think that your efforts to model the game are very helpful. You inspired me to do a bit of analysis in another direction – analysis of EC’s posting patterns. Innocent students, having no secret incentives, will tend to follow the same posting patterns that they do on the rest of the board. EC, however, has to deflect attention from their “student” identity. While this may not be visible in any single post, it should be reflected in aggregate with a different overall behavior in the EC thread compared to their normal, uninfluenced posting habits.

Since I was staying a bit late at work tonight, I made a program to tabulate the different aspects of the posts made by all the players in the EC game -- Author. Length. Frequency. Use of emoticons. And then it was just a matter of letting the program run in the background and compare people’s posts in the EC thread to their posts outside the thread.

I let it run for an hour and checked back on it. Did it correctly identify innocent students by their low variation? Let’s check ahow. Short posts, high frequency. Virtually identical in and out of the EC thread. A deviation of less than 0.2σ. How about snafu? In-thread posts are infrequent and contain lots of data tabulation. Very consistent with all his posts over in Software/technology. In-thread posting deviates from his other posting by only 0.35σ

So far, so good. Time to look for outliers. Hmmm – who’s this one? Major differences in posting length and emotional.…

The phone rang.

“Mr. Sigma?”
“Yes?”
“Corporate network performance monitoring indicates that you have been running an application consuming enormous internet bandwidth.”
Oh, great, I thought. How am I gonna explain this on my performance review?
“An investigation has found that this is due to reading large quantities of data from a certain unsanctioned actuarial website.”
Unsanctioned? Since when did our company sanction websites…?
“Would you please care to explain exactly why it is that you are using company resources for this?
Well, may as well try the truth. “My apologies. It’s after hours and I didn’t think it would be a problem. I’ve just been running an analysis to track down the Exam Committee. You see, it’s based on the variance of posting patterns….”
“Mr. Sigma, no further analysis of variance will be necessary at this time. I am initiating termination.”
“You’re shutting down my program?”
“No, Mr. Sigma, I terminating you."
”You’re firing me? Over one after-hours computer program. This is outrageous! You can’t do this to me! You’re not my supervisor! I get a lot of quality work done around here!”
“I’m afraid you still don’t understand, Mr. Sigma. I’m terminating you. Not firing you. You see, I am a member of the Exam Committee. Your program was just going to identify me. Can’t have that. It’s time for you to die now.”

Instantly, my computer monitor went dead. My instincts took over and I leapt out of my chair and headed for the door. In my haste I failed to notice a figure concealed in the shadows of the lobby. As I rushed past, out of the corner of my eye, I spotted something hurtling toward me through the air. A rock? A Palantir? A chess piece? Before I can identify it, it has struck me in the head.

As I lose consciousness, my last thoughts are the tragedy of an another innocent student claimed by the Exam Committee. Perhaps in death I will be able to help the living avenge this atrocity.

Death to the Exam Committee!

[Sunny]

Say it ain't so!!! 4sigma!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :o:o:o

DEATH TO THE EC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Super Silver Haze]

I really like that death scene! Not so keen about that whole idea of you getting killed, though. :cry:

See you in the Ghost Forum, 4sigma... oh, wait, you're already there. Huh.

[4sigma]

Yes, I'm there. I plan to make EC regret giving me access this quickly.... :burn:

[Gandalf]

Your death is not surprising no, that doesn't mean I ordered it, but it is good that we did not kill such a valuable player ourselves. I'm also glad we need not fear you as a sleeper. It's the EC that must fear you.

Death to the EC!

[Ebenezer Kohl]

:lol: Great death scene, 4sigma. I think it odd the EC would kill someone wanting to be on the Ghost committee.

Vote: Will Durant

[jadzia]

Well EC1 is dumb enough to already have forgotten that !

As for my vote, since I havn't really got the time to read all thread (sorry leela, I didn't help you much this past two days...), I'll probably cast it on sunday, after I would have some times to review everything !

[Sunny]

:lol: Great death scene, 4sigma. I think it odd the EC would kill someone wanting to be on the Ghost committee.

Vote: Will Durant

The only reason I can think of is that the EC wanted to strip 4sigma of the coordinating power among the living players so as to scatter our effort of information amongst ourselves to get to the EC.

I think we innocent students should unite and vote wisely. Personally I'd like to accuse BC, Karma, maybe Rocky, Gandalf and definitely Mulan as the sleeper, but I guess I'll vote for Will Durant this time to forge the effort to lynch the EC.

I can always change this later right?

[Cho Da]

Everytime Sunny posts, I get more convinced that she is EC.

Vote: Sunny

I'm away for the weekend and at the CAS Reinsurance seminar Monday and Tuesday, so ¡hasta la bye-bye!

[Gandalf]

I continue, weakly, my suggestion of Cho Da. My reasoning that he was EC1 no longer seems plausible to me, but he may well be EC2.

This suspicion of Will Durant is misplaced. It is Mulan we should suspect. Now if Mulan turns out to be EC, then it may be that Will is also, but if only one of them is then the one is Mulan.

It's always OK with me to hit someone quiet on general principles, but if we're trying to get an EC now, Vote: Karma Police.

[Sunny]

You're right. I need to think about this.

Unvote: Will Durant.

[Mulan]

Do NOT rethink votes for Will Durant. I am more and more convinced of his being EC. I have sent my evidence to the ghosts and will again.

I think it is time we lynched someone who may be EC, even though we chance activating the sleeper.

VOTE: Will Durant. DEATH TO THE EC!!

[cubedbee]

I'm going to have to agree with Mulan on this one. Will seems like the most likely EC candidate at this point, and we should take him out.

Vote: Will Durant

[cubedbee]

I'm also still suspicious of Gandalf, Karma Police, and Rocky. Nothing strong there, just some hunches.

[cubedbee]

I love post count padding.

Will Durant and Gandalf

[Mulan]

Kill Will! Kill Will! Kill Will! Death to the EC!

Kill Cho Da! just doesn't have the same ring!! Tee hee.

[Werewolf]

Okay, I can't figure it out - the first break in the list is the Site Supporters, but what's the deal with the second break?
The second break shows everyone above has remained in the game. The EC has killed two of the bottom three. Kaput Shakur should be worried. Thus far the untouchables have had a high post count.

Hmmm.... better start posting more! :D

[Werewolf]

Although, I did notice my inbox is still empty.

Didn't you get my nudie pictures?

Just look at that picture in the avatar! Reminds me of the famous quote:

"I'm not wearing any pants!" - Wakko Warner

[Werewolf]

Kill Will! Kill Will! Kill Will! Death to the EC!

Kill Cho Da! just doesn't have the same ring!! Tee hee.

I'll step out for now and say Kill Cho Da!, since he's half my stapler pick.

Vote: Cho Da

[Gandalf]

This game is getting boring if we don't do some kind of activities to get the ECs out. Can we maybe propose something? Like jumping rope or rock climbing, oh yeah maybe a mock actuarial exam!!

I'm just getting bored. What did you guys do last time? :-?
To kill time between lynching the EC, here's a fun game Jonas Grumby posted (http://actuary.ca/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=31927). Jadzia played and posted her result. I've played but didn't (I've broken 1100 but not matched Jonas or Gene Yuss. Some of my scores have been below jadzia's, and English is not her first language.) It's a variety of word games, for example it starts with two multiple choice rounds where you have to pick the right definition of a word from four choices. Speed is critical. An error-free round might not break 1000.

Warning: registration is required. Jonas says it can be fictitious. I'm not sure. The above paragraph described what happened when I played as Gandalf. As a whim, I tried to log in as EC1. The game was somewhat similar, but with differences. Instead of four multiple choice answers, there would be only one. E.g., the first word was "beagle" and the only possible answer "dog". The next word was "sunny" and the only possible answer was "partner".

[Sunny]

After some thought, I'll go with this for now:

Vote: Will Durant

[Tim><]

Vote: Gandalf

[Macroman]

Suggest: Karma Police

[Rocky]

Yes, I'm there. I plan to make EC regret giving me access this quickly.... :burn:

This is the first EC killing that makes any sense whatsoever...Mr. P must have made their choice for the boneheads...

Sorry to lose you 4sigma, but I think that you can do at least as much good for us as a ghost as you did when you were a living student.

Let's lynch one of those defective question writing, tripping over their own feet, blunder-a-holics this round!

Slow and Painful Death to the EC!!!

[Rocky]

I'm suggesting All Clear and Sunny. Sunny's given us a million reasons to suspect her up to this point. I'm not convinced that she's EC, but I can't ignore those signs entirely.

As for All Clear, I've noticed that he's taken much more of an interest in this game (I think his explanation of studying during last games is plausible). He's not posting a lot, but his posts are pretty thoughtful. It's almost as if he read the rules carefully since he has a more "critical" role in this game.

For what it's worth, these are only suggestions. No voting by me until more info is available.

Sunny, you worry me by switching to Will...a few too many margaritas last night ? :wink:

[edited to use the right color for suggestions]

[Gandalf]

I'm suggesting All Clear and Sunny.

For what it's worth, these are only suggestions. No voting by me until more info is available.

Only suggestions? They look more like stapler votes.

[Sunny]

Sunny, you worry me by switching to Will...a few too many margaritas last night ? :wink:

Do you really want to be lynched that badly? ;)

[Kenshiro]

vote: mulan

I would also support voting for Rocky or Karma Police.

The EC's choice seems strange. With the ghost forum having so much influence, you'd think they'd want to kill someone clueless who would lead it in the wrong direction.

One of my arguments against the ghost forum was that the EC has so much influence on its members. The students would be more likely to vote off quiet members, who wouldn't participate much in the ghost forum while the EC would just kill clueless people who were obviously on the wrong track. I guess I should rethink my argument now.

[Werewolf]

I'm suggesting All Clear and Sunny. Sunny's given us a million reasons to suspect her up to this point. I'm not convinced that she's EC, but I can't ignore those signs entirely.

A point I'd like to add is, given that Sunny is suspicious, the EC is not likely to target her, even if she is an innocent student. They will wait for us to lynch her. And since she's my other stapler vote, I'd be willing to support her lynching, too. (Sorry, nothing personal, of course. :D )

[Will Durant]

I'm suggesting All Clear and Sunny. Sunny's given us a million reasons to suspect her up to this point. I'm not convinced that she's EC
I am convinced.

Vote: Sunny

[Rocky]

I'm suggesting All Clear and Sunny.

For what it's worth, these are only suggestions. No voting by me until more info is available.

Only suggestions? They look more like stapler votes.

You're right, I used the wrong color. These are not my stapler votes, I'll stick with my Jables & Cubedbee pick for the stapler.

[Rocky]

Sunny, you worry me by switching to Will...a few too many margaritas last night ? :wink:

Do you really want to be lynched that badly? ;)

"lynched"? Is that what you crazy kids are calling it nowadays? :D

[Tim><]

Karma Police can't be EC. KP just moved into a house over the last few days and didn't have access during one of the lynchings . . . Still not convinced? Fine. Lynch me then. I would make a very good ghost. I can be very scary.

[Rocky]

I'm suggesting All Clear and Sunny. Sunny's given us a million reasons to suspect her up to this point. I'm not convinced that she's EC, but I can't ignore those signs entirely.

A point I'd like to add is, given that Sunny is suspicious, the EC is not likely to target her, even if she is an innocent student. They will wait for us to lynch her. And since she's my other stapler vote, I'd be willing to support her lynching, too. (Sorry, nothing personal, of course. :D )

That's true werewolf, if the EC is being rational. But, there are 3 things to consider:

1) The EC has shown that as a whole, they're not very bright. Let alone rational.

2) If they're acting randomly, then all students are equally likely targets (with the exception of the sleeper).

3) If the EC somehow stumbled across a book on tape that describes basic strategy, and listened to it, they could try to hit players like Sunny every now and then to keep us guessing.

Anyway, I'm not defending Sunny, but adding my thoughts to werewolf's post.

[Sunny]

Karma Police can't be EC. KP just moved into a house over the last few days and didn't have access during one of the lynchings . . . Still not convinced? Fine. Lynch me then. I would make a very good ghost. I can be very scary.

That is true. I knew that... hmm....

perhaps my guesses are changing now as we speak. :D

[Ebenezer Kohl]

Hmmm.... better start posting more! :D
Or we could lynch someone with a good number of posts. Come on, ghost committee, take down a big dog.

I'll keep Sunny as my stapler pick but don't want to see her lynched this round. It is amusing to watch dance around nominations. :D

Kill Will.

[Sunny]

I'll keep Sunny as my stapler pick but don't want to see her lynched this round. It is amusing to watch dance around nominations. :D

Bleh. Thanks. Glad to be a source of entertainment for you guys all. :P

[Macroman]

Karma Police can't be EC. KP just moved into a house over the last few days and didn't have access during one of the lynchings . . . Still not convinced? Fine. Lynch me then. I would make a very good ghost. I can be very scary.

That is true. I knew that... hmm....

perhaps my guesses are changing now as we speak. :D

Sounds like KP is one lucky guy, if Sunny keeps track of what he's doing.

[Sunny]

Karma Police can't be EC. KP just moved into a house over the last few days and didn't have access during one of the lynchings . . . Still not convinced? Fine. Lynch me then. I would make a very good ghost. I can be very scary.

That is true. I knew that... hmm....

perhaps my guesses are changing now as we speak. :D

Sounds like KP is one lucky guy, if Sunny keeps track of what he's doing.

Would you like me to stalk you as well? ;)

[Macroman]

Karma Police can't be EC. KP just moved into a house over the last few days and didn't have access during one of the lynchings . . . Still not convinced? Fine. Lynch me then. I would make a very good ghost. I can be very scary.

That is true. I knew that... hmm....

perhaps my guesses are changing now as we speak. :D

Sounds like KP is one lucky guy, if Sunny keeps track of what he's doing.

Would you like me to stalk you as well? ;)

oooooohhhh....yes!

[Sunny]

Karma Police can't be EC. KP just moved into a house over the last few days and didn't have access during one of the lynchings . . . Still not convinced? Fine. Lynch me then. I would make a very good ghost. I can be very scary.

That is true. I knew that... hmm....

perhaps my guesses are changing now as we speak. :D

Sounds like KP is one lucky guy, if Sunny keeps track of what he's doing.

Would you like me to stalk you as well? ;)

oooooohhhh....yes!
First I'd need your phone number, both at home and at work. Of course your first and last name, and your email address. It'd be nice if you let me visit you at your home, or at least give me your address. Then it'd be great if I know where you work. Hey, while you're at it, maybe you can also give me your social security and credit card number, including the expiration date.

Thanks!

[Klaymen]

Vote: Gandalf

[urysohn]

Would you like me to stalk you as well? ;)

oooooohhhh....yes!
First I'd need your phone number, both at home and at work. Of course your first and last name, and your email address. It'd be nice if you let me visit you at your home, or at least give me your address. Then it'd be great if I know where you work. Hey, while you're at it, maybe you can also give me your social security and credit card number, including the expiration date.

Thanks!
So-o-o-o...in exchange for his credit card information, you'll show up at his home address? There's names for people like that :shake: :P

[Sunny]

Would you like me to stalk you as well? ;)

oooooohhhh....yes!
First I'd need your phone number, both at home and at work. Of course your first and last name, and your email address. It'd be nice if you let me visit you at your home, or at least give me your address. Then it'd be great if I know where you work. Hey, while you're at it, maybe you can also give me your social security and credit card number, including the expiration date.

Thanks!
So-o-o-o...in exchange for his credit card information, you'll show up at his home address? There's names for people like that :shake: :P
lizards? :P

[Macroman]

Karma Police can't be EC. KP just moved into a house over the last few days and didn't have access during one of the lynchings . . . Still not convinced? Fine. Lynch me then. I would make a very good ghost. I can be very scary.

That is true. I knew that... hmm....

perhaps my guesses are changing now as we speak. :D

Sounds like KP is one lucky guy, if Sunny keeps track of what he's doing.

Would you like me to stalk you as well? ;)

oooooohhhh....yes!
First I'd need your phone number, both at home and at work. Of course your first and last name, and your email address. It'd be nice if you let me visit you at your home, or at least give me your address. Then it'd be great if I know where you work. Hey, while you're at it, maybe you can also give me your social security and credit card number, including the expiration date.

Thanks!

Stalking I'm fine with. Identity theft, not so much.

[Butters]

I just caught up. Sorry to see you go, 4sigma, but that was a great death scene. That death makes me a little suspicious of Rocky (since he spent so much effort in the last game trying to lynch him). I think Rocky is smart enough not to lynch his nemesis right away, so he might have waited a couple of rounds to do it.

Having said that, I'm going to stick with my vote for Avi for the reasons that I mentioned before.

[4sigma]

As I read through the lynching prospects for this round, I see that multiple people have at one point or another suggested or voted for each of the following to be lynched this round:

Cho Da
Gandalf
karma police
Mulan
Rocky
Sunny
Will Durant

Also there is one vote or suggestion apiece for

All Clear
Avi
BC
Butters

Those of you who have not voted or made any suggestions yet, please feel free to continue to do so, and your candidates will be given consideration as well. The more votes a person gets, the more seriously the ghosts will consider recommending their lynching this round. As we get a bit closer to the deadline, perhaps someone could be prevailed upon to total the vote/suggestion counts.

The ghosts are very interested to hear any reasons for lynching anyone receiving votes. If you have already made your reasons public, you need not send them by PM. The ghosts are diligently reading everything that is posted here in the thread. But if you would prefer not to make your accusations public, you are welcome to send them by PM.

Also, if you have reason to believe that any of the above people (or anyone else) are probably NOT EC, you should not post specific evidence of their innocence in public, but should PM the ghosts with that information. This keeps EC unaware of who we think is really innocent, which would be an advantage to them if they knew.

Please be as detailed as possible in your reasons. It does not carry all that much weight with the ghosts if you say "I think that Rocky is EC because of his behavior for the last few days." It is much better to cite specific posts or PMs that he has made, which you find are suggestive of him being EC. For an example, see here (http://actuary.ca/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=26362&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=1409) ;) This is just an example, of course. Any resemblance to Rocky this game is purely coincidental Likewise, if you think that Rocky is NOT EC, please PM the ghosts and cite the posts or PMs that he has made which make you believe that he is NOT EC. This is vital so that our lynchings are a rational targeting instead of a witch hunt.

Suspicious behavior or evidence of innocence may go unnoticed by all but one or two people. A key advantage of PMing your observations to the ghost council is that we can combine the benefit of everyone's observations without tipping off EC as to how much we collectively know. This also does give the students considerable influence in who gets lynched. But this only works if everyone will report to us what they have observed.

Final notes: Any information you have about guilt or innocence should be copied to EC_Slayer as well as an active ghost. EC_Slayer has some limited ability to collaborate with the ghosts, and will be evaluating the same information in targeting people for slaying. EC_Slayer can send info on to the ghosts, but the ghosts can make use of it faster if it is sent along to us directly. It is helpful if you mention at the start of the PM who it is copied to.

Also, if possible we would appreciate one PM with all your reasons for the guilt or innocence of various people, rather than a bunch of disjointed PMs from each person. It's something of an administrative challenge keeping all this information organized on the ghost forums. I hate to think how the slayer is trying to keep track of it all without the benefit of sorting it into various forum threads.

Thanks all very much for your help. With a united effort by the students, EC shall pay the ultimate price for their evil deeds!
http://www.stopstart.fsnet.co.uk/smilie/hanged.gif


-- 4σ's ghost http://emoticons.zasx.com/emoticon-display.php?EmoticonID=671http://emoticons.zasx.com/emoticon-display.php?EmoticonID=667http://emoticons.zasx.com/emoticon-display.php?EmoticonID=669http://emoticons.zasx.com/emoticon-display.php?EmoticonID=670

[Rocky]

As I read through the lynching prospects for this round, I see that multiple people have at one point or another suggested or voted for each of the following to be lynched this round:

Cho Da
Gandalf
karma police
Mulan
Rocky
Sunny
Will Durant

Also there is one vote or suggestion apiece for

All Clear
Avi
BC
Butters

Those of you who have not voted or made any suggestions yet, please feel free to continue to do so, and your candidates will be given consideration as well. The more votes a person gets, the more seriously the ghosts will consider recommending their lynching this round. As we get a bit closer to the deadline, perhaps someone could be prevailed upon to total the vote/suggestion counts.

The ghosts are very interested to hear any reasons for lynching anyone receiving votes. If you have already made your reasons public, you need not send them by PM. The ghosts are diligently reading everything that is posted here in the thread. But if you would prefer not to make your accusations public, you are welcome to send them by PM.

Also, if you have reason to believe that any of the above people (or anyone else) are probably NOT EC, you should not post specific evidence of their innocence in public, but should PM the ghosts with that information. This keeps EC unaware of who we think is really innocent, which would be an advantage to them if they knew.

Please be as detailed as possible in your reasons. It does not carry all that much weight with the ghosts if you say "I think that Rocky is EC because of his behavior for the last few days." It is much better to cite specific posts or PMs that he has made, which you find are suggestive of him being EC. For an example, see here (http://actuary.ca/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=26362&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=1409) ;) This is just an example, of course. Any resemblance to Rocky this game is purely coincidental Likewise, if you think that Rocky is NOT EC, please PM the ghosts and cite the posts or PMs that he has made which make you believe that he is NOT EC. This is vital so that our lynchings are a rational targeting instead of a witch hunt.

Suspicious behavior or evidence of innocence may go unnoticed by all but one or two people. A key advantage of PMing your observations to the ghost council is that we can combine the benefit of everyone's observations without tipping off EC as to how much we collectively know. This also does give the students considerable influence in who gets lynched. But this only works if everyone will report to us what they have observed.

Final notes: Any information you have about guilt or innocence should be copied to EC_Slayer as well as an active ghost. EC_Slayer has some limited ability to collaborate with the ghosts, and will be evaluating the same information in targeting people for slaying. EC_Slayer can send info on to the ghosts, but the ghosts can make use of it faster if it is sent along to us directly. It is helpful if you mention at the start of the PM who it is copied to.

Also, if possible we would appreciate one PM with all your reasons for the guilt or innocence of various people, rather than a bunch of disjointed PMs from each person. It's something of an administrative challenge keeping all this information organized on the ghost forums. I hate to think how the slayer is trying to keep track of it all without the benefit of sorting it into various forum threads.

Thanks all very much for your help. With a united effort by the students, EC shall pay the ultimate price for their evil deeds!
http://www.stopstart.fsnet.co.uk/smilie/hanged.gif


-- 4σ's ghost http://emoticons.zasx.com/emoticon-display.php?EmoticonID=671http://emoticons.zasx.com/emoticon-display.php?EmoticonID=667http://emoticons.zasx.com/emoticon-display.php?EmoticonID=669http://emoticons.zasx.com/emoticon-display.php?EmoticonID=670

He's already whipping the ghost forum into shape!

4sigma, would it make sense to set up a ghost ID to send PM's directly to? Something like RIP_IS (rest in peace, innocent students)? Just an idea.

BTW - I'm sure that it was not completely random that you picked me as an example. Could you suspect (like Butters) that I may have buried the hatchet from last game in your back? :wink:

[Rocky]

Ghosts,

What is the time frame that players should have their suggestions to you or posted on this forum for the next lynching? We want to allow enough time for you to digest the information and make a recommendation.

[Rocky]

I second the suggestion of Avi. After reading some of the prior posts, there's definitely reason for suspicion.

Also, I suggest Jables. Primarily because his posts seem out of character (when compared to his high-quality reef posts) and very sporadic this game.

[Rocky]

I just caught up. Sorry to see you go, 4sigma, but that was a great death scene. That death makes me a little suspicious of Rocky (since he spent so much effort in the last game trying to lynch him). I think Rocky is smart enough not to lynch his nemesis right away, so he might have waited a couple of rounds to do it.

Having said that, I'm going to stick with my vote for Avi for the reasons that I mentioned before.

Fair enough, Butters.

But, rest assured that my failed attempts to get 4sigma lynched last game were based on my impression that he was guilty as hell!

[Avi]

I suggets Kaput Shakur and BC. I am also still leery of Maine-iac.

[Mr. Penguin]

Monday morning tally, with deadline to vote being 5 pm on Wednesday:

Will Durant 4
Gandalf 2
Sunny 2
Avi 1
Cho Da 1
Mulan 1

And remember, if you posted your vote prior to 4sigma's wonderful death scene, it does not count

[Kaput Shakur]

Vote: Will Durant

Do you folks really think you can spot differences in behaviour in these posts?
Couldn't the EC just slip into a different mindset from their regular poster id to play this game?

Maybe I just don't know the rest of you well enough.

[Mr. Penguin]

For the very last time, votes must be in bold.

[Rocky]

Vote: Will Durant

Do you folks really think you can spot differences in behaviour in these posts?
Couldn't the EC just slip into a different mindset from their regular poster id to play this game?

Maybe I just don't know the rest of you well enough.

Sure they could. To me, that would be a little suspicious. Not "start measuring his neck for the noose" suspicious, but suspicious nonetheless.

[BC]

Vote: Gandalf

[Tim><]

I would like to reiterate that I think Gandalf has been acting strangely throughout this event. He wasted his first vote and his stapler vote - it seems to me that a seasoned player would not jeoparize his stapler chances for such triviality. I know that Mr. P insists that EC is chosen randomly. However, the SOA insists that exams are not curved. I think we should consider the possibility that some thoughr was put into the choice of EC. If so, who better to assuage our suspicions that a former ghost leader?

If I am wrong, we solidify our ghost ranks tremendously. If I am correct, we have the power to eliminate the most dangerous threat to our existence. I strongly urge everyone to lynch Gandalf.

[Rosebud]

....

[Kaput Shakur]

My apologies to Mr. Penguin.

My earlier post should have read

Vote: Will Durant

[Butters]

Rosebud = Kaput Shakur

I got it.

[Ultimate Anyone?]

Vote: Mulan

[Leela]

No one is safe while the EC lives.


Please post your suggestions and send your evidence as soon as possible. The ghosts will begin the decision making process this evening. We will post our decision tomorrow evening.

[Maine-iac]

4sigma is gone now????!!!!!!! Say it ain't so! :cry:

DEATH TO THE EC!

[Tim><]

Some strange posts for a supposed veteran player:

Since I haven't gotten a PM, does that mean I'm not EC, or do I need to check e-mail also? Feigning ignorance.

Look who's talking. We haven't missed yet. Not only did you two klutzes miss our Slayer, you may have even hit your own Sleeper and saved us the trouble.

Keep up this "hit at random" strategy and you may even kill yourself next round. Pretending confusion on the rules.


There are 34 remaining players. I believe that each and every one of them is innocent. I might be wrong on a couple, but no more than that. (Might be wrong?)

Right: live players can PM ghosts without restrictions. That includes EC_Slayer (who certainly should PM the ghosts), who could then be protected.

HC and JT communicated by PM. Last time the rules weren't clear. It wasn't a published rule that Ghosts couldn't PM students, but Mr. P told the Ghosts not to. I don't think it was ever addressed whether "students" included the slayer.

Chat together? Of doubtful legality. Certainly it would be a violation of the intent of the rules for a ghost to e-mail a living player. Trying to limit student power.

If we hit an EC, GREAT! One down and one (possibly two) to go. But, we have no ghosts set up to protect our ONLY slayer. If we then lynch the slayer in round 2...no slayer replacement. Small odds, but that's our worst case scenario. Plus, the EC will get it's sleeper (unless it was SSH).
No, we have another route to protect the slayer. Let EC_Slayer order the hit (not on him/herself) this round. We have chances to hit EC1, EC2 or sleeper. If we hit EC1 or EC2, so that we're in danger of losing our slayer, let EC_Slayer order next round's hit also. Let EC_Slayer direct all hits until we have a ghost who's prepared to take over. Trying to get information on multiple characters - in order to eliminate them as possible slayers.

More to follow . . .

[thing]

Vote: Ultimate Anyone

Two reasons:

1. Excel random number generator.

2. If Mr. P was at all swayed to keep re-running his random selections until he came up with a set he was happy with, I think he would have stopped with UA on the EC. After all, one of the premises of the game is that anyone could have been named to the EC. So why not select the ultimate anyone?

Of course, I hold Mr. P in the highest of regard and don't think for a second he would re-run his random selections. Especially when your first run names Ultimate Anyone.

If that's not compelling logic, I don't know what is.

[All Clear]

Suggest: Sunny, Rocky, Hagbard Celine

These are all questionable, but since no one else jumps out at me and I really should be contributing to the "suggest people" bandwagon...

Hagbard Celine was a strong contributer to the game last time around, to the point that J.T. wrote that she was consutling with him on every hit. He was of course acting as head ghost as well. This game, he has written just a few short posts- nothing longer and full of strategy as might have been expected. And since this seems very "out of the ordinary", I'll put his name out there. Perhaps he is scared of saying something he may regret.

Sunny has me thinking she is either very innocent, or very guilty- I am not sure whether her "thread hijackng-like" posts are a strong sign of innocence or guilt.

Rocky suggested me over and over again, and gave what I consider to be weak reasoning behind it. So I will return the favor, suggesting him even though I see no strong hint of guilt, only that he is blindly suggesting people with no guilt signs of their own. Maybe this is to get attention off him, I don't know...

[Sunny]

If no one has voted this yet:

Gandalf and Will Durant

otherwise, if someone has voted the above already:

Gandalf and Avi

[Sunny]

Sunny has me thinking she is either very innocent, or very guilty- I am not sure whether her "thread hijackng-like" posts are a strong sign of innocence or guilt.


Very innocent, of course. :roll:

[BC]

Stapler (assuming this combination has not yet been taken):

Cho Da and Gandalf

[Rocky]

Suggest: Rocky suggested me over and over again, and gave what I consider to be weak reasoning behind it. So I will return the favor, suggesting him even though I see no strong hint of guilt, only that he is blindly suggesting people with no guilt signs of their own. Maybe this is to get attention off him, I don't know...

All Clear = 4sigma (pass it on)... :D

I'm just wondering who you think that I suggested blindly. I've given reasons (although I admit that some of them are not that strong, they're certainly not made up). Also, I don't remember suggesting you more than a couple of times, including last game.

I agree with All Clear in that it's tough to have good reasons to vote for most of the players as being possible EC at this point. But, I think that it's important to put a variety of viable options on the ghosts' hit list.

[4sigma]

A few comments to various people who hopefully will know who they are:

1) There are a couple of people I sent PMs to while alive and they responded that they could not be completely forthright with me in case I was EC. Now that it is clear that I am not EC, I would appreciate any additional information you could provide me about my earlier inquiries.

2) EC_Slayer -- I sense from certain ambiguities that you have some possible security concerns about the ghost forum. Would you be willing to identify certain aspects more specifically to me in a PM if it were not to be posted on the forum?

3) Has anyone ever wondered whether ghosts need to eat? Oddly enough, I seem to still get hungry, though I can't manage to pick anything up at the supermarket. I speculated about this with certain people before my death. In the near future I may need some assistance shopping. I think that those people who I have already spoken with about this will be sufficient help for now. Unsolicited donations, however, are always appreciated. No canned goods, please, since I can't operate a can opener any more.

4) To those with whom I was engaged in technical discussions -- I obviously am not able to continue these via PM. I have not been able to review the recent work or contribute much lately, due to helping organize the ghost forum. I do intend to comment publicly in the future, in a way that will not compromise strategic concerns.

5) To those who have PMd information to any of the ghosts regarding the perceived identity of the sleeper EC, it is not clear to me what evidence this is based upon. I would appreciate if you could clarify.

6) :D :oops: :duh: :evil: :P :o

[Sunny]

:lolup:

Is that what happens to your face when you become a ghost?!

:lol:

[Butters]

Wasn't there a post here from Seven = Gandalf a second ago?

[Sunny]

If so, I missed that. :(

I've also seen a post by Gandalf that got deleted sometime ago. :-?

[Butters]

I just read a post from "Seven" a few minutes ago where he was refuting KP's claims that Gandalf was EC. However, it was obvious from the post that it was Gandalf who was replying. Now that post is gone. Gandalf is starting to seem a little suspicious to me...

[Sunny]

Gandalf has always seemed suspcious to me...

[Rocky]

:lolup:

Is that what happens to your face when you become a ghost?!

:lol:

He already looked like that after his stint on the "Swan"...

[Klaymen]

Why don't we just use Excel's random number generator to find out who the perpetrators are? Maine-iac, nice acting job there :) I"ll change my vote from Gandalf to Maineiac if that becomes the consensus.

[Sunny]

:lolup:

Is that what happens to your face when you become a ghost?!

:lol:

He already looked like that after his stint on the "Swan"...

Hey you, I would have voted Gandalf and Rocky had Macroman not already voted that, so you are still suspect to be lynched! :evil:

[Sunny]

Here, before I leave for the day.

Gandalf and Rocky.

:)

[Rocky]

:lolup:

Is that what happens to your face when you become a ghost?!

:lol:

He already looked like that after his stint on the "Swan"...

Hey you, I would have voted Gandalf and Rocky had Macroman not already voted that, so you are still suspect to be lynched! :evil:

Based on the rules, you can change your stapler vote. If you do, it would make you the second in line with that wrong guess...

I should say that it's at least half-wrong

[Gandalf]

I just read a post from "Seven" a few minutes ago where he was refuting KP's claims that Gandalf was EC. However, it was obvious from the post that it was Gandalf who was replying. Now that post is gone. Gandalf is starting to seem a little suspicious to me...
That was me all right. I had forgotten I had logged in under one of my other ids, and responded to KP's post. Realizing the mistake, I deleted the post after copying it. Here it is. I hope Butters recognizes it as the original text; in any case, it stands on its own, and stands much better than KP's fantasies.
Some strange posts for a supposed veteran player:

Look who's talking. We haven't missed yet. Not only did you two klutzes miss our Slayer, you may have even hit your own Sleeper and saved us the trouble.

Keep up this "hit at random" strategy and you may even kill yourself next round. Pretending confusion on the rules.Most players understand that and similar posts, but it seems for some reason I need to spell it out for you: I've been consistently questioning the mental ability of the EC. They were told who the Sleeper was and who they are. The rules, as I understand them, allow them to kill anyone, including the sleeper, including each other. Am I confused on those rules?

Right: live players can PM ghosts without restrictions. That includes EC_Slayer (who certainly should PM the ghosts), who could then be protected.

HC and JT communicated by PM. Last time the rules weren't clear. It wasn't a published rule that Ghosts couldn't PM students, but Mr. P told the Ghosts not to. I don't think it was ever addressed whether "students" included the slayer.

Chat together? Of doubtful legality. Certainly it would be a violation of the intent of the rules for a ghost to e-mail a living player. Trying to limit student power.Trying to play within the rules, something you EC wouldn't understand. There is a known precedent. Last game I was a ghost, 100% proven student. Several players can confirm that I played within the intent of the rules. I initiated no PMs to living players. I replied with no substantive comment to players, only the fact that Mr. P had said ghosts shouldn't communicate by PM. You are free to try to convince people that as a ghost I would have e-mailed living players except that I didn't think of that possibility. I don't think they'll buy it.

If we hit an EC, GREAT! One down and one (possibly two) to go. But, we have no ghosts set up to protect our ONLY slayer. If we then lynch the slayer in round 2...no slayer replacement. Small odds, but that's our worst case scenario. Plus, the EC will get it's sleeper (unless it was SSH).
No, we have another route to protect the slayer. Let EC_Slayer order the hit (not on him/herself) this round. We have chances to hit EC1, EC2 or sleeper. If we hit EC1 or EC2, so that we're in danger of losing our slayer, let EC_Slayer order next round's hit also. Let EC_Slayer direct all hits until we have a ghost who's prepared to take over. Trying to get information on multiple characters - in order to eliminate them as possible slayers.
Maybe what you said makes some sense to you, but it doesn't make any sense to people who can think logically. How does that "get information on multiple characters - in order to eliminate them as possible."
Case 1: Ghosts, led by some leader, order a hit, which won't be the slayer.
Case 2: EC_slayer orders a hit, which won't be the slayer.
How does Case 2 give away more info?

[Leela]

Here is the tally so far for Round 3:

Suggested:
All Clear - 1
Avi - 3
BC - 4
Cho Da - 3
CubedBee - 1
Gandalf - 6
Hagbard Celine - 1
Jables - 2
Kaput Shakur - 1
karma police - 3
Maine-iac - 1
Mulan - 5
Rocky - 4
Sunny - 5
Will Durant - 5

Votes
Avi -1
Cho Da - 1
Gandalf - 3
karma police - 1
Mulan - 2
Sunny - 2
Ultimate Anyone - 1
Will Durant - 5

[Jables]

I second the suggestion of Avi. After reading some of the prior posts, there's definitely reason for suspicion.

Also, I suggest Jables. Primarily because his posts seem out of character (when compared to his high-quality reef posts) and very sporadic this game.

I apologize...my internet connection at work has been shoddy if not non-existant the past few days. I was able to fire off a couple of posts (one in NAT, one in Sports if I recall) this morning, before I could get here... My browser at work keeps locking up (I think it might be hijacked :-?) It doesn't seem like anything I can solve myself in the forseeable future, so most of my posting might be from home for a while...

Anyway, my suspicions lie with Avi, Sunny, and Butters, in no particular order. Butters comes across and trying too hard to sound innocent. I don't buy Sunny's countless number of posts looking for rule clarifications and claiming to still be catching up on all of the posts. Avi, well he's always been a bit shady, and I'm sure my suggestion of him is partially biased due to the fact that he won the stapler in the last game, so take that for what it's worth...

[Super Silver Haze]

It doesn't seem like anything I can solve myself in the forseeable future, so most of my posting might be from home for a while...

Ooh, I feel your pain.

Anyway, 4sigma got axed, so my stapler vote is now Traina and Gandalf.

[Avi]

Avi, well he's always been a bit shady...Shady, perhaps. Slim - well slimmer now than a year ago 8-)

[snafu]

Rocky and jadzia

[Tim><]

Hey Gandalf, it's not too late to change your stapler vote to SSH and 4Sigma. :shake: We both know that your stapler vote is irrelevant anyway.

[Gandalf]

I would like to reiterate that I think Gandalf has been acting strangely throughout this event. He wasted his first vote and his stapler vote - it seems to me that a seasoned player would not jeoparize his stapler chances for such triviality.I wasted my first and second vote, in fact, voting for Oblomov and snafu, as recommended by EC_Slayer and the ghosts. I would do so again. Which of those votes should I have made differently? Votes count. I don’t waste them.
As to not jeopardizing stapler chances on triviality, I put little value on a stapler. Again, that is consistent with my behavior in the last game, where I was definitely an innocent student and picked 42, even though my public posts and PMs to the ghosts made it clear that I did not think 42 was EC. In that game I didn’t even bother to make a stapler pick until relatively late, as picking at all was not important to me until I realized I was missing a chance to needle 42.

I know that Mr. P insists that EC is chosen randomly. However, the SOA insists that exams are not curved. I think we should consider the possibility that some thoughr was put into the choice of EC. If so, who better to assuage our suspicions that a former ghost leader?Let me get this straight. Instead of using the evidence to nail you, we should try to psychoanalyze Mr. P to decide who he would have chosen for EC. How a former ghost leader could assuage your (don’t attribute them to the rest of us) suspicions of Mr. P's integrity is unclear; maybe Hagbard could try.

[Rocky]

Here is the tally so far for Round 3:

Suggested:
All Clear - 1
Avi - 3
BC - 4
Cho Da - 3
CubedBee - 1
Gandalf - 6
Hagbard Celine - 1
Jables - 2
Kaput Shakur - 1
karma police - 3
Maine-iac - 1
Mulan - 5
Rocky - 4
Sunny - 5
Will Durant - 5

Votes
Avi -1
Cho Da - 1
Gandalf - 3
karma police - 1
Mulan - 2
Sunny - 2
Ultimate Anyone - 1
Will Durant - 5

Just a thought here...

Does anyone else think that the "suggested" summary should not be posted in this thread? To me, it seems very important that the ghosts keep track of this (which Leela's doing a great job of doing), but it gives the EC this information too easily. I'd like to hear whether others agree.

IMO, if the EC wants to analyze the correlation b/t who was suggested and who the ghosts recommend to lynch, make them check through each individual post to find it. Given EC1's prior posts, I'm doubting that he'd be able to even tally the suggestion count for All Clear or Cubed Bee right on his own anyway.

If we do not track the "suggested" lynch candidates in this thread, I don't think that it hurts the students at all. I say this since the true students should suggest based on their own suspicions (or those posted by others in this thread) rather than on how many suggestions a lynch candidate currently has. I think that this only helps the EC.

I do think that it's very useful to have the votes posted in this thread, though. Thanks for staying on top of this Leela.

[edited to correct grammar, add the 2nd to last paragraph, and to add this note]

[Ebenezer Kohl]

I was definitely an innocent student
I thought you behaved like EC last game. The crowning moment was a request that you survive longer than the Slayer. I was attempting to convince Hagbard to bump you off while trying my best to get you noticed by the EC. :lol: Of course, your statement is true in retrospect, but at the time, I had serious doubts.

[Rocky]

The crowning moment was a request that you survive longer than the Slayer.

I don't remember this...no wonder he's trying to be "quiet" :wink: this game.

[Ebenezer Kohl]

The crowning moment was a request that you survive longer than the Slayer.

I don't remember this...no wonder he's trying to be "quiet" :wink: this game.
I believe that was a PM to the ghosts. I read that and my jaw dropped! :o

[Sunny]

Maybe he thinks he's above it all, the stapler, the ghost forum, and is playing this game on his own rather than taking others' ideas into account?

Rocky, I actually kinda agree with ya there, about not listing the suggestions publicly.

[Mr. Penguin]

With 15 needed to lynch, the Tuesday morning tally:

Will Durant 5
Gandalf 3
Mulan 2
Sunny 2
Avi 1
Cho Da 1
Ultimate Anyone 1

[Mulan]

With 15 needed to lynch, the Tuesday morning tally:

Will Durant 5
Gandalf 3
Mulan 2
Sunny 2
Avi 1
Cho Da 1
Ultimate Anyone 1 When is the deadline?

[Rocky]

With 15 needed to lynch, the Tuesday morning tally:

Will Durant 5
Gandalf 3
Mulan 2
Sunny 2
Avi 1
Cho Da 1
Ultimate Anyone 1 When is the deadline?

5 PM on Wednesday. Mr. P posted it a couple of pages prior to this one.

[4sigma]

I believe that the ghosts are currently planning to provide a nominee by early Wednesday.

[Ebenezer Kohl]

I believe that the ghosts are currently planning to provide a nominee by early Wednesday.
That is late. Not everyone can post from work whenever they choose. I request 24 hours before the deadline. A valid excuse for not voting would be to blame the ghosts. Students have had plenty of time to PM the ghosts.

[Sunny]

I believe that the ghosts are currently planning to provide a nominee by early Wednesday.
That is late. Not everyone can post from work whenever they choose. I request 24 hours before the deadline. A valid excuse for not voting would be to blame the ghosts. Students have had plenty of time to PM the ghosts.

Yeah I agree with that too.

[Rocky]

I believe that the ghosts are currently planning to provide a nominee by early Wednesday.
That is late. Not everyone can post from work whenever they choose. I request 24 hours before the deadline. A valid excuse for not voting would be to blame the ghosts. Students have had plenty of time to PM the ghosts.

Since we still need a lot of votes to get a majority, 4sigma's estimate does not seem like enough lead time to me.

In this case, I agree with EK since I think that 24 hours prior to the deadline is good timing. As we get further along in the game, it may make sense to adjust the lead time based on how quickly the votes are getting in.

[Tim><]

I think that for the time being, I can create a poll that looks at "students" that currently have more than one vote against them. This may help us reach consensus sooner.

[4sigma]

The ghosts have been continuing to receive student input late last night and this morning. We are deliberating today and incorporating this new information as quickly as we can. I will see if we can get this speeded up -- perhaps we can post the nominee overnight tonight so that they are available for voting before the start of business tomorrow.

[Leela]

And I believe the 5 pm deadline is 5 pm central time. Mr. P, can you confirm this?

[Ebenezer Kohl]

4sigma, I still think that is late. May I recommend that students who may not be able to vote tomorrow, vote today? Even a vote today against the ghost selection tomorrow is better than no vote at all. I don’t think there is much chance of obtaining a majority (anyone voting beyond a tenth vote for any one candidate would be suspect). I think students are more likely to vote tonight if that approval comes from you and not me.

[Mr. Penguin]

And I believe the 5 pm deadline is 5 pm central time. Mr. P, can you confirm this?

Sorry Leela, when my work day ends tomorrow, so does the lynching voting. 5 pm eastern. 6:30 in Newfoundland.

[Sunny]

4sigma, I still think that is late. May I recommend that students who may not be able to vote tomorrow, vote today? Even a vote today against the ghost selection tomorrow is better than no vote at all. I don’t think there is much chance of obtaining a majority (anyone voting beyond a tenth vote for any one candidate would be suspect). I think students are more likely to vote tonight if that approval comes from you and not me.

Um, question, what about my vote that I have cast already. Do I get to keep that?

[Ebenezer Kohl]

Um, question, what about my vote that I have cast already. Do I get to keep that?

Yes, Sunny, you are in the clear. :) I'm thinking of some specific folk that I know won't vote tomorrow and HAVE YET to vote.

[Sunny]

gotcha :tup:

[4sigma]

I am looking to receive a PM from someone. This is a person whom I sent a PM to within the first couple of days of the game. A PM where I discussed what ghosts may like to eat.

At the time you mentioned that I might hear from you later. I would like to hear from you now. I would like to know your availability for shopping trips. Please confirm if you still have my early shopping list by telling me what you recall about my initial preference for Hershey's bars vs. fresh strawberries.

[Avi]

Vote: Kaput Shakur - or whatever pseudonym s/he is using now.

[4sigma]

4sigma, I still think that is late. May I recommend that students who may not be able to vote tomorrow, vote today? Even a vote today against the ghost selection tomorrow is better than no vote at all. I don’t think there is much chance of obtaining a majority (anyone voting beyond a tenth vote for any one candidate would be suspect). I think students are more likely to vote tonight if that approval comes from you and not me.

Just curious -- can't we assume that anyone reading this before 5 p.m. Eastern time today would likely be able to vote on schedule tomorrow?

[urysohn]

Some can read, but not post, from work.

[Ebenezer Kohl]

4sigma, I still think that is late. May I recommend that students who may not be able to vote tomorrow, vote today? Even a vote today against the ghost selection tomorrow is better than no vote at all. I don’t think there is much chance of obtaining a majority (anyone voting beyond a tenth vote for any one candidate would be suspect). I think students are more likely to vote tonight if that approval comes from you and not me.

Just curious -- can't we assume that anyone reading this before 5 p.m. Eastern time today would likely be able to vote on schedule tomorrow?
No. That is not the case.

[Leela]

At least one of the ghosts cannot post from work. This is one reason why we wanted to wait until later in the evening to post our decision. Could we compromise on 8 or 9 pm eastern?

[4sigma]

Some can read, but not post, from work.

I guess I'm just spoiled at my company.

Anyone who would like to be able to post from work, please PM me and I will send you a list of our job openings. :D

[Sunny]

Some can read, but not post, from work.

I guess I'm just spoiled at my company.

Anyone who would like to be able to post from work, please PM me and I will send you a list of our job openings. :D
:lol:

Recruiter/HR: Why did you decide to leave your last position.
Answer: Because I want to be able to post on the Rebel Forum from work.

:rofl:

[Sunny]

Please confirm if you still have my early shopping list by telling me what you recall about my initial preference for Hershey's bars vs. fresh strawberries.

Ahem, yes I like them both. Just messin. :lol:

[Ebenezer Kohl]

At least one of the ghosts cannot post from work. This is one reason why we wanted to wait until later in the evening to post our decision. Could we compromise on 8 or 9 pm eastern?
Compromises are lose/lose situations. The excuse will still be used and you lose time you may need. I think my suggestion still looks the best.

[cubedbee]

Please confirm if you still have my early shopping list by telling me what you recall about my initial preference for Hershey's bars vs. fresh strawberries.

Ahem, yes I like them both. Just messin. :lol:

You definitely need both. Strawberries dipped in melted chocolate taste divine. Hershey's isn't the best chocolate, but it'll do.

[cubedbee]

Why doesn't everyone who is reading the thread today comment on whether or not they will be able to vote tomorrow during the work day? Then, if a sufficient number of people speak up, it's a non-issue.

I can vote tomorrow during work.

[BC]

I can vote tomorrow during work, and I like both strawberries and chocolate, but I had a roommate once who was allergic to strawberries.

[Rocky]

I am looking to receive a PM from someone. This is a person whom I sent a PM to within the first couple of days of the game. A PM where I discussed what ghosts may like to eat.

At the time you mentioned that I might hear from you later. I would like to hear from you now. I would like to know your availability for shopping trips. Please confirm if you still have my early shopping list by telling me what you recall about my initial preference for Hershey's bars vs. fresh strawberries.

The PM that you sent me said that you'd eat my liver with a fine Chianti...were the strawberries supposed to be for dessert? :D

[Sunny]

Please confirm if you still have my early shopping list by telling me what you recall about my initial preference for Hershey's bars vs. fresh strawberries.

Ahem, yes I like them both. Just messin. :lol:

You definitely need both. Strawberries dipped in melted chocolate taste divine. Hershey's isn't the best chocolate, but it'll do.
How about the chocolate from Belgium? I've got some Dutch ones from Amsterdam, now that is divine. yummmmmm...

[Ebenezer Kohl]

Then, if a sufficient number of people speak up, it's a non-issue.
There will be a sufficient number to vote tomorrow to lynch. I'm interested in obtaining information about future lynchings.

[Rocky]

Why doesn't everyone who is reading the thread today comment on whether or not they will be able to vote tomorrow during the work day? Then, if a sufficient number of people speak up, it's a non-issue.

I can vote tomorrow during work.

I can probably squeeze it in between the daily foot massage and the twice a day grape-feeding that's part of the usual work day at my place.

unfortunately, my boss is very demanding about getting these on time :D

[Rocky]

How about the chocolate from Belgium? I've got some Dutch ones from Amsterdam, now that is divine. yummmmmm...

Belgian beer, chocolates, and waffles...all are top shelf!

[Gandalf]

With 15 needed to lynch, the Tuesday morning tally:

Will Durant 5
Gandalf 3
Mulan 2
Sunny 2
Avi 1
Cho Da 1
Ultimate Anyone 1
Gee, maybe Karma Police was right that I wasted my round 1 vote, since I've currently wasted my round 3 vote. (http://actuary.ca/phpBB/viewtopic.php?p=562064#562064)

Taking no chances: for the second time this round, Vote: Karma Police.

[Leela]

Gandalf, your vote was included on my list (http://actuary.ca/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=30397&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=1117).

[Sunny]

I must confess, Mulan's original choices of Cho Da and Will Durant are becoming more and more convincing to me now. Could it be because she actually knew that because she is the sleeper!?!! :o

I just read Cho Da's last post just above Gandalf's indicated above, and suddenly it's dawned on me! Mulan, no wonder you were so going after these two from the beginning, and never wavered!

Note, why the hasta la bye-bye (http://actuary.ca/phpBB/viewtopic.php?p=562063&highlight=#562063)? Like an EC would like to say, to get out of this beehive before he leaks anything about being EC!!!!?!!!

[Gandalf]

Gandalf, your vote was included on my list (http://actuary.ca/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=30397&amp;postdays=0&amp;postorder=asc&amp;sta rt=1117).

Yes, thanks, Leela, I saw that. And on Rocky's which quoted yours. KP conveniently ignored your list and Rocky's when he started his poll on "who to lynch".

I'm still confused about why KP thinks I wasted my round 1 vote.

[Mr. Penguin]

With 15 needed to lynch, the Tuesday morning tally:

Will Durant 5
Gandalf 3
Mulan 2
Sunny 2
Avi 1
Cho Da 1
Ultimate Anyone 1
Gee, maybe Karma Police was right that I wasted my round 1 vote, since I've currently wasted my round 3 vote. (http://actuary.ca/phpBB/viewtopic.php?p=562064#562064)

Taking no chances: for the second time this round, Vote: Karma Police.

:oops: My bad.

[Tim><]

Gandalf, your vote was included on my list (http://actuary.ca/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=30397&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=1117).

Yes, thanks, Leela, I saw that. And on Rocky's which quoted yours. KP conveniently ignored your list and Rocky's when he started his poll on "who to lynch".

I'm still confused about why KP thinks I wasted my round 1 vote.

Your stapler votes were wasted. I thought I made that clear enough for an innocent student to understand.

[Mulan]

I must confess, Mulan's original choices of Cho Da and Will Durant are becoming more and more convincing to me now. Could it be because she actually knew that because she is the sleeper!?!! :o

I just read Cho Da's last post just above Gandalf's indicated above, and suddenly it's dawned on me! Mulan, no wonder you were so going after these two from the beginning, and never wavered!

Note, why the hasta la bye-bye (http://actuary.ca/phpBB/viewtopic.php?p=562063&highlight=#562063)? Like an EC would like to say, to get out of this beehive before he leaks anything about being EC!!!!?!!!Actually, until you wrote, I was thinking of changing my stapler vote from Cho Da to cubedbee. I've sent PMs to cubedbee that have not been answered, which I think is suspicious. However, neither seem dumb enough to be EC1 so maybe one of them is EC2? I just don't know. Will Durant, I'm more sure of... Cho Da or cubedbee, cubedbee or Cho Da? Well, I leave the question for now! KILL WILL!!

I predicted that the EC would try to have one of their members killed while the sleeper still lives to give themselves a HUGE advantage. Cubedbee's vote, if he's EC, seems to confirm that (IF Will is EC too)...TOO MANY IFS in that line of thought. My head is going to explode!

[Tim><]

I must confess, Mulan's original choices of Cho Da and Will Durant are becoming more and more convincing to me now. Could it be because she actually knew that because she is the sleeper!?!! :o

I just read Cho Da's last post just above Gandalf's indicated above, and suddenly it's dawned on me! Mulan, no wonder you were so going after these two from the beginning, and never wavered!

Note, why the hasta la bye-bye (http://actuary.ca/phpBB/viewtopic.php?p=562063&highlight=#562063)? Like an EC would like to say, to get out of this beehive before he leaks anything about being EC!!!!?!!!Actually, until you wrote, I was thinking of changing my stapler vote from Cho Da to cubedbee. I've sent PMs to cubedbee that have not been answered, which I think is suspicious. However, neither seem dumb enough to be EC1 so maybe one of them is EC2? I just don't know. Will Durant, I'm more sure of... Cho Da or cubedbee, cubedbee or Cho Da? Well, I leave the question for now! KILL WILL!!

Wiley, deceitful and evil - yes, but Gandalf is certainly not dumb.

[Maine-iac]

So many possible EC, so little time to save innocent students.

Sunny? Will? Mulan?

Vote: Mulan

[Sunny]

Cubed, if you're in, I'm in.

Unvote: Will Durant

[cubedbee]

I must confess, Mulan's original choices of Cho Da and Will Durant are becoming more and more convincing to me now. Could it be because she actually knew that because she is the sleeper!?!! :o

I just read Cho Da's last post just above Gandalf's indicated above, and suddenly it's dawned on me! Mulan, no wonder you were so going after these two from the beginning, and never wavered!

Note, why the hasta la bye-bye (http://actuary.ca/phpBB/viewtopic.php?p=562063&highlight=#562063)? Like an EC would like to say, to get out of this beehive before he leaks anything about being EC!!!!?!!!Actually, until you wrote, I was thinking of changing my stapler vote from Cho Da to cubedbee. I've sent PMs to cubedbee that have not been answered, which I think is suspicious. However, neither seem dumb enough to be EC1 so maybe one of them is EC2? I just don't know. Will Durant, I'm more sure of... Cho Da or cubedbee, cubedbee or Cho Da? Well, I leave the question for now! KILL WILL!!

I predicted that the EC would try to have one of their members killed while the sleeper still lives to give themselves a HUGE advantage. Cubedbee's vote, if he's EC, seems to confirm that (IF Will is EC too)...TOO MANY IFS in that line of thought. My head is going to explode!

You and I both know you haven't sent me a PM since May 28, and that I answered all of your PMs until our conversation was finished. I'm not sure your motivation for lying. I understand the strategy of accusing others to get them to respond and see if they slip up, but why would a student need to lie to pursue this strategy? Leela caught you in an apparent lie early in the thread, and you defended yourself by saying you had played this game a long time ago and had forgotten. While that excuse had a possibility of being true, I'm doubting it more after this stunt.

I don't think students need to or should be dishonest. The EC, on the other hand, must constantly deceive.

Unvote: Will Durant
Vote: Mulan

[Sunny]

Vote: Mulan

[Ebenezer Kohl]

Unvote: Will Durant
Vote: Mulan

I think Mulan is the sleeper. I would have liked to lynch an active EC first to know for certain when we hit the sleeper, but no longer trust keeping Mulan around.

[Kaput Shakur]

I'm a herd animal

Unvote: Will Durant

Vote: Mulan

[Kenshiro]

I predicted that the EC would try to have one of their members killed while the sleeper still lives to give themselves a HUGE advantage.

This just seems silly. If I hadn't already voted for you, I'd do it again just because of this.

[Tim><]

You guys are making a big mistake. I stand by my vote.

[Cho Da]

I think it is silly to assume that the sleeper knows his or her status as the sleeper. It is even more silly to assume that the sleeper would act in the EC's interest before being activated.

[Rocky]

I must confess, Mulan's original choices of Cho Da and Will Durant are becoming more and more convincing to me now. Could it be because she actually knew that because she is the sleeper!?!! :o

I just read Cho Da's last post just above Gandalf's indicated above, and suddenly it's dawned on me! Mulan, no wonder you were so going after these two from the beginning, and never wavered!

Note, why the hasta la bye-bye (http://actuary.ca/phpBB/viewtopic.php?p=562063&highlight=#562063)? Like an EC would like to say, to get out of this beehive before he leaks anything about being EC!!!!?!!!Actually, until you wrote, I was thinking of changing my stapler vote from Cho Da to cubedbee. I've sent PMs to cubedbee that have not been answered, which I think is suspicious. However, neither seem dumb enough to be EC1 so maybe one of them is EC2? I just don't know. Will Durant, I'm more sure of... Cho Da or cubedbee, cubedbee or Cho Da? Well, I leave the question for now! KILL WILL!!

I predicted that the EC would try to have one of their members killed while the sleeper still lives to give themselves a HUGE advantage. Cubedbee's vote, if he's EC, seems to confirm that (IF Will is EC too)...TOO MANY IFS in that line of thought. My head is going to explode!

You and I both know you haven't sent me a PM since May 28, and that I answered all of your PMs until our conversation was finished. I'm not sure your motivation for lying. I understand the strategy of accusing others to get them to respond and see if they slip up, but why would a student need to lie to pursue this strategy? Leela caught you in an apparent lie early in the thread, and you defended yourself by saying you had played this game a long time ago and had forgotten. While that excuse had a possibility of being true, I'm doubting it more after this stunt.

I don't think students need to or should be dishonest. The EC, on the other hand, must constantly deceive.

Unvote: Will Durant
Vote: Mulan

We've got a big he said/she said type deal going on here.

It doesn't make sense for these two to be having a stare down if one of them isn't EC. Of course, it doesn't make sense for an EC to post a blatant lie in this public forum either.

Did we just narrow down our EC1 choices to 2 possibilities?

[Sunny]

Unvote: Will Durant
Vote: Mulan

I think Mulan is the sleeper. I would have liked to lynch an active EC first to know for certain when we hit the sleeper, but no longer trust keeping Mulan around.

Me too. It sucks we can't get the EC this time if we lynch Mulan. But then again, our slayer can do the job just fine. :D

[Gandalf]

I cannot bring myself to unvote an EC yet, just to hit his partner. I'll wait for the ghosts' direction.

[Tim><]

I cannot bring myself to unvote an EC yet, just to hit his partner. I'll wait for the ghosts' direction.

Well it would stand to reason that you would know who your partner is.

[4sigma]

I cannot bring myself to unvote an EC yet, just to hit his partner. I'll wait for the ghosts' direction.

The ghosts are analyzing these recent developments. Please stand by....

[Mulan]

I must confess, Mulan's original choices of Cho Da and Will Durant are becoming more and more convincing to me now. Could it be because she actually knew that because she is the sleeper!?!! :o

I just read Cho Da's last post just above Gandalf's indicated above, and suddenly it's dawned on me! Mulan, no wonder you were so going after these two from the beginning, and never wavered!

Note, why the hasta la bye-bye (http://actuary.ca/phpBB/viewtopic.php?p=562063&highlight=#562063)? Like an EC would like to say, to get out of this beehive before he leaks anything about being EC!!!!?!!!Actually, until you wrote, I was thinking of changing my stapler vote from Cho Da to cubedbee. I've sent PMs to cubedbee that have not been answered, which I think is suspicious. However, neither seem dumb enough to be EC1 so maybe one of them is EC2? I just don't know. Will Durant, I'm more sure of... Cho Da or cubedbee, cubedbee or Cho Da? Well, I leave the question for now! KILL WILL!!

I predicted that the EC would try to have one of their members killed while the sleeper still lives to give themselves a HUGE advantage. Cubedbee's vote, if he's EC, seems to confirm that (IF Will is EC too)...TOO MANY IFS in that line of thought. My head is going to explode!

You and I both know you haven't sent me a PM since May 28, and that I answered all of your PMs until our conversation was finished. I'm not sure your motivation for lying. I understand the strategy of accusing others to get them to respond and see if they slip up, but why would a student need to lie to pursue this strategy? Leela caught you in an apparent lie early in the thread, and you defended yourself by saying you had played this game a long time ago and had forgotten. While that excuse had a possibility of being true, I'm doubting it more after this stunt.

I don't think students need to or should be dishonest. The EC, on the other hand, must constantly deceive.

Unvote: Will Durant
Vote: Mulan
Maybe I haven't played this game enough. It sure is different than when I hosted it.

My statement was designed to get comment and boy did it! Though not exactly the way I thought it would. I PMed cubedbee to explain that I was fibbing just to stir the pot a little - he seemed ok with that. I have no idea who is EC, but recent postings made me doubt Cho Da as EC (though again, I have no real idea). My post to Sunny was to deflect her attention onto someone else because I thought she was taking my word for it a little too much. More importantly, it was just me, mouthing off, without giving it much thought at all.

Cubedbee's response is telling. Maybe I should consider him some more.

Lynch me if you like, though you'll be lynching an innocent student. I've been dying to see what the ghost forum is like. It'll be the closest I get to heaven.

KILL WILL! DEATH TO THE EC...

Kenshiro, I really think you ought to think about what happens if the first EC is killed without the sleeper being slain. We'll have two EC again, BUT WON'T KNOW IT. I think it would be a big advantage for the EC to be two, when the students do not know if there is one or two...

[Sunny]

Kenshiro, I really think you ought to think about what happens if the first EC is killed without the sleeper being slain. We'll have two EC again, BUT WON'T KNOW IT. I think it would be a big advantage for the EC to be two, when the students do not know if there is one or two...

Yes we will know it, in his death scene.

[Rocky]

Maybe I haven't played this game enough. It sure is different than when I hosted it.

My statement was designed to get comment and boy did it! Though not exactly the way I thought it would. I PMed cubedbee to explain that I was fibbing just to stir the pot a little - he seemed ok with that. I have no idea who is EC, but recent postings made me doubt Cho Da as EC (though again, I have no real idea). My post to Sunny was to deflect her attention onto someone else because I thought she was taking my word for it a little too much. More importantly, it was just me, mouthing off, without giving it much thought at all.

Cubedbee's response is telling. Maybe I should consider him some more.

Lynch me if you like, though you'll be lynching an innocent student. I've been dying to see what the ghost forum is like. It'll be the closest I get to heaven.

KILL WILL! DEATH TO THE EC...

Kenshiro, I really think you ought to think about what happens if the first EC is killed without the sleeper being slain. We'll have two EC again, BUT WON'T KNOW IT. I think it would be a big advantage for the EC to be two, when the students do not know if there is one or two...

Is this in code? It makes less sense to me than 4sigma's shopping lists...

[BC]

KILL WILL! DEATH TO THE EC...
Kenshiro, I really think you ought to think about what happens if the first EC is killed without the sleeper being slain. We'll have two EC again, BUT WON'T KNOW IT. I think it would be a big advantage for the EC to be two, when the students do not know if there is one or two...

If the sleeper is slain, we won't know it either, unfortunately. It would be nice to get the sleeper at any time, since the sleeper is for all intents and purposes EC, but I'm not sure that it especially behooves us to get the sleeper before we get the first EC.

[Sunny]

My post to Sunny was to deflect her attention onto someone else because I thought she was taking my word for it a little too much.

Uh, think again. No, I do not take your word seriously at all, from the get-go. If you recall, I've always pm'd and questioned every single accusation you've made. And every time, you said you have no reason for why you want to lynch someone, it's all lies and for fun!!!! :o

[Rocky]

Kenshiro, I really think you ought to think about what happens if the first EC is killed without the sleeper being slain. We'll have two EC again, BUT WON'T KNOW IT. I think it would be a big advantage for the EC to be two, when the students do not know if there is one or two...

Yes we will know it, in his death scene.

I think what she's saying here (this is the one part that I could decipher) is that we won't know that the sleeper's been activated. We will certainly know when we get an EC, but we'll only know that we got the sleeper if we kill a 3rd EC member (or the game ends after the 2nd EC is killed and the sleeper had been killed before being activated).

[Sunny]

KILL WILL! DEATH TO THE EC...
Kenshiro, I really think you ought to think about what happens if the first EC is killed without the sleeper being slain. We'll have two EC again, BUT WON'T KNOW IT. I think it would be a big advantage for the EC to be two, when the students do not know if there is one or two...

If the sleeper is slain, we won't know it either, unfortunately. It would be nice to get the sleeper at any time, since the sleeper is for all intents and purposes EC, but I'm not sure that it especially behooves us to get the sleeper before we get the first EC.

That is true, that's why I hesitated to wait for cubed. However, in the case that Mulan IS the sleeper, and that the EC's have actually contacted her with their own IDs (only the stupid EC1 would do that I think), she will be tremendously helpful in the ghost forum. Somehow BC I know you don't think she would be. But I was more jumping on the wagon here. I am really still just awaiting the ghosts to decide.

[Tim><]

If you think Mulan is innocent, vote Gandalf.

[Rocky]

If the sleeper is slain, we won't know it either, unfortunately. It would be nice to get the sleeper at any time, since the sleeper is for all intents and purposes EC, but I'm not sure that it especially behooves us to get the sleeper before we get the first EC.

I'm not sure that I agree 100% on this one BC.

If we get the sleeper before activation, how much damage could that person do as a ghost? In sticking to the rules, he/she can't PM living players (EC or students). So any sabotage that the sleeper tries would probably be quickly sniffed out by our ghosts.

Am I missing something?

[Ebenezer Kohl]

Lynch meOK. :) if you like, I do! :D though you'll be lynching an innocent student. :P Who happens to be the sleeper EC.

[Sunny]

Kenshiro, I really think you ought to think about what happens if the first EC is killed without the sleeper being slain. We'll have two EC again, BUT WON'T KNOW IT. I think it would be a big advantage for the EC to be two, when the students do not know if there is one or two...

Yes we will know it, in his death scene.

I think what she's saying here (this is the one part that I could decipher) is that we won't know that the sleeper's been activated. We will certainly know when we get an EC, but we'll only know that we got the sleeper if we kill a 3rd EC member (or the game ends after the 2nd EC is killed and the sleeper had been killed before being activated).

of course. :roll:

But what's the difference? You will know you got an EC, and furthermore, you will know that you never got the sleeper, if the EC remains to be two.

Actually, here comes a question, will we be told there are two, in the case where the sleeper is still alive and is activated when the first EC dies? Or will we not even know if we have one or two ECs, even though we know we did get an EC? :-?

[Sunny]

Lynch meOK. :) if you like, I do! :D though you'll be lynching an innocent student. :P Who happens to be the sleeper EC.

Actually, EK, care to share why we shouldn't lynch the real EC first and then get Mulan when the sleeper activates?

I tend to agree with Karma there actually. Might consider unvote again (sorry guys).

[Tim><]

Does anyone here actually have reason to believe that Gandalf is not EC?

[Sunny]

If the sleeper is slain, we won't know it either, unfortunately. It would be nice to get the sleeper at any time, since the sleeper is for all intents and purposes EC, but I'm not sure that it especially behooves us to get the sleeper before we get the first EC.

I'm not sure that I agree 100% on this one BC.

If we get the sleeper before activation, how much damage could that person do as a ghost? In sticking to the rules, he/she can't PM living players (EC or students). So any sabotage that the sleeper tries would probably be quickly sniffed out by our ghosts.

Am I missing something?

I have no idea what you're saying here. Isn't that when the sleeper dies, if not activated, she is just another student in the ghost forum, and why would she sabotage anything, she won't win except as an innocent student. Unless she just likes to wreck havoc. Or, I guess, one could win by picking the right pair of orange votes, and then one doesn't care which side wins??? :-?

[Rocky]

Kenshiro, I really think you ought to think about what happens if the first EC is killed without the sleeper being slain. We'll have two EC again, BUT WON'T KNOW IT. I think it would be a big advantage for the EC to be two, when the students do not know if there is one or two...

Yes we will know it, in his death scene.

I think what she's saying here (this is the one part that I could decipher) is that we won't know that the sleeper's been activated. We will certainly know when we get an EC, but we'll only know that we got the sleeper if we kill a 3rd EC member (or the game ends after the 2nd EC is killed and the sleeper had been killed before being activated).

of course. :roll:

But what's the difference? You will know you got an EC, and furthermore, you will know that you never got the sleeper, if the EC remains to be two.

Actually, here comes a question, will we be told there are two, in the case where the sleeper is still alive and is activated when the first EC dies? Or will we not even know if we have one or two ECs, even though we know we did get an EC? :-?

No, we will not know if the sleeper's been activated until the game ends.

It's strange that you say "of course" and then ask the question that I had just answered...

[Sunny]

of course we don't "know" when the sleeper is activated, although we will know an EC is killed. Not sure if we're asking the same thing, are we? I'm asking if we'll ever know there is 1 or 2 EC left after 1 is killed, is that your question too?

[cubedbee]

When I originally responded, my reasoning went like this:

Mulan clearly wanted to throw suspicion on me. Her lie is one that cannot be easily proven/disproven. If I did not respond, then she would have successfully attributed a somewhat suspicious behavior to me and brought my name to into the discussion. If I did respond, people would (and now have) perceive my defensiveness as a sign of guilt.

Why would Mulan want to throw suspicion on me? If she is a student, then she either has a personal grudge (which I’m unaware of), or she has some valid reason to suspect that I am guilty. I can think of no reason why she would choose to hide a valid reason from the rest of the students and instead accuse me with a false one. On the other hand, if she is an EC, then she has obvious reasons to want to cast suspicions on others. I thus strongly think Mulan is EC.

While not responding would probably have drawn less suspicion to myself, it would also have drawn less attention to Mulan. I was willing to call her out on it, knowing that if I were lynched I could testify to the other ghosts that she had lied about the PMs and she would be gone the next round.

I did not expect her to actually admit in public that she was lying. I'm not sure what to think now. At the least, she is an untrustworthy student. At the worst, she is EC trying to cover her butt by admitting the lie and volunteering for lynching.

[Mr. Penguin]

With roughly 24 hours until the deadline and 15 votes needed for lynching....

Mulan 7
Gandalf 3
Sunny 2
Avi 1
Cho Da 1
Kaput Shakur 1
Karma Police 1
Will Durant 1

[Sunny]

Does anyone here actually have reason to believe that Gandalf is not EC?

You know what. I am gonna sleep on this and not jump on the bandwagon, things are pretty heated now.

I would vote for Gandalf, if not Mulan, if EK you don't mind.

For now, sorry ghosts I'm changing so much these days:

Unvote: Mulan.

That's it for me for today.

[BC]

If the sleeper is slain, we won't know it either, unfortunately. It would be nice to get the sleeper at any time, since the sleeper is for all intents and purposes EC, but I'm not sure that it especially behooves us to get the sleeper before we get the first EC.

I'm not sure that I agree 100% on this one BC.

If we get the sleeper before activation, how much damage could that person do as a ghost? In sticking to the rules, he/she can't PM living players (EC or students). So any sabotage that the sleeper tries would probably be quickly sniffed out by our ghosts.

Am I missing something?

[smarta** mode]I'm not sure either. See above bolded text.[/smarta** mode] :wink:

[Sunny]

Although, we did get some action, and that was fun. :D

[Rocky]

If the sleeper is slain, we won't know it either, unfortunately. It would be nice to get the sleeper at any time, since the sleeper is for all intents and purposes EC, but I'm not sure that it especially behooves us to get the sleeper before we get the first EC.

I'm not sure that I agree 100% on this one BC.

If we get the sleeper before activation, how much damage could that person do as a ghost? In sticking to the rules, he/she can't PM living players (EC or students). So any sabotage that the sleeper tries would probably be quickly sniffed out by our ghosts.

Am I missing something?

I have no idea what you're saying here. Isn't that when the sleeper dies, if not activated, she is just another student in the ghost forum, and why would she sabotage anything, she won't win except as an innocent student. Unless she just likes to wreck havoc. Or, I guess, one could win by picking the right pair of orange votes, and then one doesn't care which side wins??? :-?

You claim to have read through these threads, yet you still ask questions that have already been answered.

Earlier, someone had raised the possibility that the EC tells the sleeper that he/she is the sleeper. Then, the sleeper could try to "help" the EC once he/she is in the ghost forum. I didn't buy into it then, but with Mulan's impression of a suicidal maniac, I'm not sure that she's not trying to take herself out. My post was to say that I don't see how the sleeper can help the EC once he/she becomes a ghost.

[4sigma]

OK, I’m starving up here, and it’s time for anyone who can help me with these horrible food cravings.

Most urgently, I am experiencing an urgent desire for succotash. It is the most frustrating thing to see all the ingredients on display but to be unable to grasp them with these noncorporeal limbs I now have. I’ve got it all scoped out now, however.

The corn looks best at Ralphs, though it costs $0.35 an ear, even using the coupon on page 18 of their store flyer. Unfortunately you can’t get fresh lima beans, but the frozen ones are at the bottom of aisle 51 at Safeway for $1.63 a package. And of course, we’re going to need some butter, which is in their dairy section for $2.11 a pound until the end of this week.

Again, the above is most urgent. But if you have the chance, we would like to make a tuna salad. Trader Joe’s has tuna in water for $1.32 a filet or tuna in oil for $1.70 a filet – either of these is fine. Both of these can be found in their seafood section. We will need some lettuce which can be found at just about any Farmer’s Market for $0.89 or $0.90 a head.

Also, if you could pick us up some lemon drops, that would be really good. The flavor on those lasts a long time. They have them at 7-11 for $0.50 a box, in the candy aisle.

If someone could pick these up for me and send me a confirmation, that would be most appreciated. Please hold onto the rest of the shopping list for now, though you may find that it is helpful to have certain individuals help purchase selected items in the future without them needing to have the entire shopping list.

[BC]

By the way, Mr. P, 4Sigma, or anyone else who can answer: do posts in the ghost forum count toward post count?

[Rocky]

of course we don't "know" when the sleeper is activated, although we will know an EC is killed. Not sure if we're asking the same thing, are we? I'm asking if we'll ever know there is 1 or 2 EC left after 1 is killed, is that your question too?

I'm not asking a question, just trying to answer yours. This is my last attempt...

We will only know if there are 1 or 2 EC alive under the following circumstances:

1) we have not killed any EC [i.e. current state] - 2 are alive
2) 2 EC are dead - either the game is over or we still have 1 EC on the prowl.

In between, we will not know if there are 1 or 2 alive.

[edited to correct #2]

[cubedbee]

of course we don't "know" when the sleeper is activated, although we will know an EC is killed. Not sure if we're asking the same thing, are we? I'm asking if we'll ever know there is 1 or 2 EC left after 1 is killed, is that your question too?

My understanding of the rules is this:

When we kill the first EC, we will not know whether the sleeper has been activated or already killed. So, there could be either 1 or 2 EC at this point.

When we kill a second EC, we will then know if the sleeper has been activated. If the sleeper wasn't activated, then killing the second EC ends the game. Otherwise, the game continues.

If the sleeper is activated, and we kill a second EC, we will not be told whether the EC we killed is the original EC or the activated sleeper.

[Sunny]

You claim to have read through these threads, yet you still ask questions that have already been answered.


No I claim to be attempting to read the entire thread, which I have, more or less, but after a while it gets tiring, I may have read that before too, but the thread gets a little long after a while and things get lost. So what? If you still suspect me, go ahead and lynch me. You will know you have wasted just another round, that's all. And I on the other hand am getting tired of this suspicion game and can't wait to see what the ghost forum is like anywho.

I will be out tomorrow morning, but expect to vote before 5pm ET.

[4sigma]

By the way, Mr. P, 4Sigma, or anyone else who can answer: do posts in the ghost forum count toward post count?

Posts in the ghost forum do count towards post count. Assuming that eventually the threads are moved into the games forum when the game is over, as happened last time.

This was definitely a key consideration in my asking to be lynched the first round.

Who wants to be next? :dsmile:

P.S. The ghosts do have some reliable inside information regarding the recent kerfluffle. We ask everyone's patience while we select a nominee.

[Ebenezer Kohl]

Actually, EK, care to share why we shouldn't lynch the real EC first and then get Mulan when the sleeper activates?
Should we know a real EC (I think we do... Will), we should hit the real EC before the sleeper. I do not think Mulan, having been dishonest in this game, will forward us the name or names of the EC having contacted her after her lynching. Thus when Mulan claims to be an innocent student after her lynching, we will not know if she is the sleeper. Had we known, we could springboard from there and, with luck, identify the other EC from her posts.

[BC]

of course we don't "know" when the sleeper is activated, although we will know an EC is killed. Not sure if we're asking the same thing, are we? I'm asking if we'll ever know there is 1 or 2 EC left after 1 is killed, is that your question too?

My understanding of the rules is this:

When we kill the first EC, we will not know whether the sleeper has been activated or already killed. So, there could be either 1 or 2 EC at this point.

When we kill a second EC, we will then know if the sleeper has been activated. If the sleeper wasn't activated, then killing the second EC ends the game. Otherwise, the game continues.

If the sleeper is activated, and we kill a second EC, we will not be told whether the EC we killed is the original EC or the activated sleeper.

I thought this was all clear from the mathematical model :D

[Sunny]

By the way, Mr. P, 4Sigma, or anyone else who can answer: do posts in the ghost forum count toward post count?
:lolup:

[Mulan]

Actually, EK, care to share why we shouldn't lynch the real EC first and then get Mulan when the sleeper activates?
Should we know a real EC (I think we do... Will), we should hit the real EC before the sleeper. I do not think Mulan, having been dishonest in this game, will forward us the name or names of the EC having contacted her after her lynching. Thus when Mulan claims to be an innocent student after her lynching, we will not know if she is the sleeper. Had we known, we could springboard from there and, with luck, identify the other EC from her posts.I'm not sure what this means...I'm just killing time on a boring Tuesday PM.

4sigma - your post has made me hungry and I'm out of the wonderful cookies I had in my desk. What a cool code. I wish I'd thought of it.

[Rocky]

If you still suspect me, go ahead and lynch me. You will know you have wasted just another round, that's all. And I on the other hand am getting tired of this suspicion game and can't wait to see what the ghost forum is like anywho.

I will be out tomorrow morning, but expect to vote before 5pm ET.

I'll stick with the ghosts' suggestions for lynching, as I'm 95% confident that 4sigma is an accomplished chef who will create a masterpiece when his shopping list is complete.

[Ebenezer Kohl]

I'm not sure what this means...
Suppose we lynch Will and he is confirmed EC. I doubt there would be any resistance to lynching you next. I suspect the Slayer would beat the students to the punch, because if Will is EC, then you are most likely the sleeper and would have been activated. Then one EC left with two out with many posts to consider.

When we lynch you, there won't be much support to go after Will whether you are or aren't EC (though I think you are the unactivated sleeper).

[Rocky]

Fast and furious finish to the work day...

Hopefully all of this activity will lead to a productive (for the students) lynching tomorrow.

[4sigma]

I'll stick with the ghosts' suggestions for lynching, as I'm 95% confident that 4sigma is an accomplished chef who will create a masterpiece when his shopping list is complete.

Thanks for the butter. Now how about that succotash? :D

[Kenshiro]

Kenshiro, I really think you ought to think about what happens if the first EC is killed without the sleeper being slain. We'll have two EC again, BUT WON'T KNOW IT. I think it would be a big advantage for the EC to be two, when the students do not know if there is one or two...

We have 3 people to kill to win the game. The only real difference between the sleeper and the EC is that presumably we'll have less early clues to identify the sleeper. There is no advantage for the EC to sacrifice one of themselves to active the sleeper. This makes no sense.

I think it is silly to assume that the sleeper knows his or her status as the sleeper. It is even more silly to assume that the sleeper would act in the EC's interest before being activated.

Agreed. I doubt Mulan is the sleeper, but she's definitely been acting weird and espousing unsound strategy. If she is an innocent student, I think it's in our best interests to eliminate someone who keeps dropping false clues.

At this stage of the game, voting out silent students and those who haven't been voting is still good strategy too.

[Mulan]

best interests to eliminate someone who keeps dropping false clues. "keeps"? I've only done so once and that was outed fairly quickly. I took it to heart that our true feelings should get IMed to the ghosts and/or slayer.

My goal was to keep the conversation going and provide controversy so that all players could get to know one another better, if you know what I mean. Some of the responses are pretty interesting when you read them from the point of view that Mulan is an innocent student....(hint)

And I was killing time while my computer ran.

Oh well, do what you like. mmm...Heaven is a place on earth....

[Mulan]

Kenshiro, I really think you ought to think about what happens if the first EC is killed without the sleeper being slain. We'll have two EC again, BUT WON'T KNOW IT. I think it would be a big advantage for the EC to be two, when the students do not know if there is one or two...

We have 3 people to kill to win the game. The only real difference between the sleeper and the EC is that presumably we'll have less early clues to identify the sleeper. There is no advantage for the EC to sacrifice one of themselves to active the sleeper. This makes no sense.
It made sense to me - at the time. But your explanation is much better and so I give up on the kill students before EC strategy and defer to your greater logic in this matter.

(I hope our argument does not have the effect of diverting them from that plan, if they made the same faulty logic. You know, they aren't too bright. Having one of them "fall" would have been good for us any way you look at it...) Very suspicious.

Kill Will!! DEATH TO THE EC!!

[Leela]

So, the ghosts have been working on a math problem. It involves putting the following numbers in the right order: 810679, 432709, 105930. It somone could help us put these numbers in the right order, we would really appreciate it.

[Jables]

I'm still very suspicious of Sunny and her incessant rules clarifying and emoticon post count padding... she has a number of posts here so she comes across as being active without really contributing much IMO (besides defending herself)...

VOTE: SUNNY

However, since I'm having trouble with the internet at work, if the ghosts recommend someone different to lynch, and I can't get on to change my vote, please assume that I will follow the ghosts' selection.

[EC3]

I'm still very suspicious of Sunny and her incessant rules clarifying and emoticon post count padding... she has a number of posts here so she comes across as being active without really contributing much IMO (besides defending herself)...

VOTE: SUNNY

However, since I'm having trouble with the internet at work, if the ghosts recommend someone different to lynch, and I can't get on to change my vote, please assume that I will follow the ghosts' selection.

:shake: Don't fall for his phony baloney sob story about not being able to post from work. You know damn well Jables is a post count whore and he's trying to lay low!

Lynch Jables and you've killed your first EC member! :lol: :burn: :lol:

[Jables]

:lol: I suppose I had this coming after my own taunting in the last game... EC3, will you at least reveal your identity to me in a PM?

[Jables]

It's true, he's back! :D :wave:

:wav:

[Maine-iac]

Fellow innocent student:

I am gone away until Monday. Please, pretty please, don't lynch me in my absence.

Thanks for your consideration.

Maine-iac :D

[Macroman]

Vote: Karma Police

[Gandalf]

Fellow innocent student:

I am gone away until Monday. Please, pretty please, don't lynch me in my absence.

Thanks for your consideration.

Maine-iac :D
Check out that construction: "Fellow" followed by singular noun. Suggests a fellowship of two. Very, very suspicious.

But I'll let it slide. It is too early to be sure she is Karma Police's partner.

[Tim><]

It seems that Gandalf's strategy is to attempt to remove those who would reveal him. Not very original.

[Gandalf]

Gandalf's strategy is to attempt to lynch the EC. Not very original.

I've suggested to the ghosts and slayer that some people who have suggested or voted for me appear to be innocent. You, on the other hand, appear to be EC.

[Leela]

Here we go: karma police.

Let the voting begin.

*Sorry we took so long. There have been a few issues to work out.

[Mulan]

I don't agree with karma police and will let my vote for Will Durant stand. I'll PM my reasons to the slayer and ghost forum.

Maybe someone could PM me what fun it is to play if the players cannot lynch who they like. Steps should be taken to avoid lynching the slayer after 1 EC death, but what fun is it to lynch the selected player without even knowing the reasons?

In this way, I echo Will Durant in the first round, which is one of the primary reasons I think he's EC (there are two other reasons I've sent to the slayer.) The other two reasons stand, but I withdrawn his not following the slayer as a reason, now that I'm in a similar circumstance.

However, I do see it as a quick way to get the votes necessary to lynch someone before the deadline. In that regard, I'll change my vote to karma if my vote is needed to lynch.

KILL WILL!! DEATH TO THE EC!!!

[Tim><]

I will vote for myself on condition, that when I am revealed as an innocent student, you all go after Gandalf next. What do you say?

[cubedbee]

Unvote: Mulan
Vote: Karma Police

[Werewolf]

I'll bite. :dsmile:

Unvote: Cho Da
Vote: Karma Police

[Tim><]

Well, I guess I'll just have to whip our sorry-ass ghost forum into shape.

[All Clear]

Unvote: If applicable, I don't believe I voted this round.
Vote: Karma Police

[Jables]

UNVOTE: SUNNY
VOTE: KARMA POLICE

[4sigma]

I don't agree with karma police and will let my vote for Will Durant stand. I'll PM my reasons to the slayer and ghost forum.

Maybe someone could PM me what fun it is to play if the players cannot lynch who they like. Steps should be taken to avoid lynching the slayer after 1 EC death, but what fun is it to lynch the selected player without even knowing the reasons?

In this way, I echo Will Durant in the first round, which is one of the primary reasons I think he's EC (there are two other reasons I've sent to the slayer.) The other two reasons stand, but I withdrawn his not following the slayer as a reason, now that I'm in a similar circumstance.

However, I do see it as a quick way to get the votes necessary to lynch someone before the deadline. In that regard, I'll change my vote to karma if my vote is needed to lynch.

KILL WILL!! DEATH TO THE EC!!!

Mulan,

I'm sorry that we're not more at liberty to explain our reasoning. The basis of our decision is what we receive in PMs from living students, and what is posted here in the public thread. Our deliberation process is a human process, and may err. But I would ask that you trust that we have done the best we could to evaluate the data we received from all of you, in the time that was available to do so.

I do think it is worth noting that if the ghosts were not being consulted for guidance, you yourself might well have ended up lynched this round. While this may or may not have been a better choice than karma police, you perhaps do not have the strongest case to be personally complaining at the moment.... ;)

There are 28 players remaining. The odds of any one player picked at random being EC are only 7%. I would like to think we have picked better than at random, but it is admittedly not a certainty that karma police is EC. Nevertheless, I think we have as good a chance as possible of having named an EC this round.

My apologies in advance to karma police, in the event that you are not EC. If this is the case, we are working towards the same cause, and I hope you will join us in the ghost forum to help guide us towards better choices in the future.

Death to the EC!

[4sigma]

Thanks very much to the shopper who has responded to me. The shopping list is currently in the hands of only the most limited set of people you mentioned. We may wish to consider ways to pass the list on, however, if you do not expect to continue shopping forever. I appreciate your help for as long as you are able to provide it.

I am glad that you were able to get the tuna salad ingredients and the lemon drops. I never realized how much I missed lemon drops, until I had to go without them for a couple of days.

Apologies for the confusion on the succotash. These mega-stores are so disorienting! You did find the corn and the butter, which I appreciate, despite one flaw in my guidance. The lima beans do exist at Safeway. My directions were admittedly in error, but they are to be found in the store. You may want to check the store map, as the aisles at Safeway are arranged differently than at Ralph's. I hope you can find the lima beans without further help from me -- perhaps ask one of those helpful checkers. Several employees should know where they can be found.

Thank you for pointing out the opportunity to purchase taco shells at Food4Less. I think a fiesta is a great idea. I will need to start drawing up some invitations. I did first want to get some staples in the fridge up here, however. Mexican food does not agree with everybody.

I am hoping you will be able to continue to help fill these food requests, as providing one with a balanced diet is potentially healthier and more filling than the limited fare otherwise available.

[Sunny]

Vote: Karma Police

[Avi]

Unvote: Kaput Shakur
Vote: Karma Police

[Tim><]

I don't agree with karma police and will let my vote for Will Durant stand. I'll PM my reasons to the slayer and ghost forum.

Maybe someone could PM me what fun it is to play if the players cannot lynch who they like. Steps should be taken to avoid lynching the slayer after 1 EC death, but what fun is it to lynch the selected player without even knowing the reasons?

In this way, I echo Will Durant in the first round, which is one of the primary reasons I think he's EC (there are two other reasons I've sent to the slayer.) The other two reasons stand, but I withdrawn his not following the slayer as a reason, now that I'm in a similar circumstance.

However, I do see it as a quick way to get the votes necessary to lynch someone before the deadline. In that regard, I'll change my vote to karma if my vote is needed to lynch.

KILL WILL!! DEATH TO THE EC!!!

Mulan,

I'm sorry that we're not more at liberty to explain our reasoning. The basis of our decision is what we receive in PMs from living students, and what is posted here in the public thread. Our deliberation process is a human process, and may err. But I would ask that you trust that we have done the best we could to evaluate the data we received from all of you, in the time that was available to do so.

I do think it is worth noting that if the ghosts were not being consulted for guidance, you yourself might well have ended up lynched this round. While this may or may not have been a better choice than karma police, you perhaps do not have the strongest case to be personally complaining at the moment.... ;)

There are 28 players remaining. The odds of any one player picked at random being EC are only 7%. I would like to think we have picked better than at random, but it is admittedly not a certainty that karma police is EC. Nevertheless, I think we have as good a chance as possible of having named an EC this round.

My apologies in advance to karma police, in the event that you are not EC. If this is the case, we are working towards the same cause, and I hope you will join us in the ghost forum to help guide us towards better choices in the future.

Death to the EC!

As I said, I will work towards eliminating Gandalf from the other side.

Unvote: Gandalf
Vote: Karma Police

[Ebenezer Kohl]

I don't agree with karma police and will let my vote for Will Durant stand. I'll PM my reasons to the slayer and ghost forum.

Maybe someone could PM me what fun it is to play if the players cannot lynch who they like. Steps should be taken to avoid lynching the slayer after 1 EC death, but what fun is it to lynch the selected player without even knowing the reasons?
But I would ask that you trust that we have done the best we could to evaluate the data we received from all of you, in the time that was available to do so.
Unvote: Mulan
Vote: Will Durant

:o I agree with Mulan. This ghost selection is lame and doesn't follow the efforts of what people are posting to this thread, thus I draw no entertainment value from it. I would suggest the ghosts at least hit one of the top two candidates each time to force people to vote.

The LOSERS, as they are DEAD, in the Ghost committee should not have more weight than the active students. :swear:

[Cho Da]

Baaaaaaa. Baaaaaaaaaa.

Before this sheep changes his vote, I need to hear more compelling evidence than grocery lists.

snafu: Is Karma Police the "EC to be named later" from your original suspicions? What is the evidence that Sunny should not be hit?

[snafu]

:o I agree with Mulan. This ghost selection is lame and doesn't follow the efforts of what people are posting to this thread, thus I draw no entertainment value from it. I would suggest the ghosts at least hit one of the top two candidates each time to force people to vote.

The LOSERS, as they are DEAD, in the Ghost committee should not have more weight than the active students. :swear:

While my personal preference differed from the final ghost suggestion, the suggestion does reflect a pretty good concensus of both the public and private information. Keep in mind that there is a lot of private information.

You are free to follow the ghost suggestion or not. You are free to campaign against the ghost influence. But the point of the game is not to survive but to kill the EC. If you want to take some personal pride in being the last student standing, go for it. By being such a PITA you might stand a good chance of being the last student the EC kills off as they win the game.

[Tim><]

When I join the Ghost Forum, I will review the standards and practices there.