Beneath the Planet of the Exam Committee

[Tim><]

No, I did not see it coming. Within the rules? Yes. Serious ethics violation? No. Good clean fun? No. I don't play something that is described as a team game and play for the other team.

If this isn't the biggest load of crap ever. :evil:

You're behind all of this bullshit. You have clearly undermined my position with the rest of the ghosts because I have correctly identified you as EC. In fact, since others did the same, I am betting that Sunny is EC as well.

Regardless, I am seriosuly getting tired of this. This is just a game, not a freaking Actuarial Certification. :moon: Maybe you should report me to the ABCD. :shake: :duh:

In the meantime.

Death to the EC
Undeath to the moronic Ghost Committee

:viola:

[Gandalf]

Vote: Cho Da

Amenable to switching to Anonymouse, who has been so quiet he hasn't even complimented my hat or the mole's eyes recently. Or Traina, whose votes we can at least count on, but whose opinions are so far MIA.

[Tim><]

URGENT: ALL PLAYERS PLEASE READ THIS CAREFULLY

The ghosts have determined that the ghost forum was recently compromised by Karma Police. We have sent directions to the moderators to ban him from the forum. Ghost forum activity has essentially ceased, pending confirmation of his expulsion.

Fortunately, the identity of the slayer was not posted in the forum. However, there may have been sufficent information for karma police to make an informed guess. In any event, he has had access to read most of the PMs that the players have sent the ghosts so far, as well as several of our key strategies.

Needless to say, all remaining innocent students should not trust karma police. Please do not send him any PMs, unless they are derogatory.

I would like to say that I do have every confidence in the integrity of our remaining ghosts. In light of this recent misfortune, we must redouble our efforts. I hope that the actions of a single misguided individual will not be taken to reflect upon those dedicated ghosts who continue to do their best to help bring the EC to their doom. I would urge the players to continue to send us information regarding who they suspect is innocent or guilty. :duh:

[Kenshiro]

What'd Karma Police do?

In respect for Avi's post, unvote: Avi.

[Tim><]

What'd Karma Police do?

In respect for Avi's post, unvote: Avi.

Nothing. I am being condemned for not conforming to the strategy of the Ghost Committee. They are under Gandalf's thumb.

[Gandalf]

You're behind all of this b***sh**. You have clearly undermined my position with the rest of the ghosts because I have correctly identified you as EC. In fact, since others did the same, I am betting that Sunny is EC as well.

Regardless, I am seriosuly getting tired of this. This is just a game, not a freaking Actuarial Certification. :moon: Maybe you should report me to the ABCD. :shake: :duh:

If you're tired of it, you shouldn't have played the game. Of course I'm not going to report you to the ABCD; I said it wasn't a serious ethics violation. I also said it wasn't right, and stick by that.

Others did the same? Good for them. Fortunately I'm not EC, so the only harm done with me is that I now have certainty about one innocent student, someone the ghosts wouldn't have let us lynch anyway.

[4sigma]

Thanks for the shopping trip. The shopping list is actually in the hands of one fewer person than you expected. Thanks for your recommended additions and we will be shopping for them very shortly.

Thank you for picking up the office furniture. That was extermely thoughtful and generous. I realize that you cannot send these by the previous method. Can you please ship the desks via FedEx to:

Ghost of 4Sigma
c/o Centerville Undead Postal Clearinghouse
Centerville, WA, 98613-7042

and the chairs to:

Ghost of Leela
c/o Carbon Undead Postal Clearinghouse
Carbon, IN, 47837-9589

I think you may have tried to send to Leela before at this address, but for some reason it did not arrive. I am hoping you can help make the connection happen here.

[Traina]

Nice try, Gandalf. Trying to get me killed...like last game :evil:

Of course, I have no opinion yet....I haven't been around much until recently. Who can read through all these pages?

Anyway, one of my stapler picks.
Vote: Werewolf

[Gandalf]

What'd Karma Police do?
Sent me, at least, a PM:Since the ghosts trusted you over me, and still don't want to lynch you, I'm sure they won't mind this:

EC_Slayer is (name deleted by Gandalf).
I reported it immediately to 4Sigma. The PM had a player id. I'm not sure why 4Sigma is muddying the water by suggesting KP did not know the slayer.

I told no one except 4Sigma. So if, as KP suggests, "others did the same", it is because they got similar PMs and reported it, not because I coordinated anything.

[Gandalf]

As to stapler picks, here's a pair not wasted: karma police and urysohn. They may not be EC1 and EC2, but I've got two of the EC team now.

[Tim><]

What'd Karma Police do?
Sent me, at least, a PM:Since the ghosts trusted you over me, and still don't want to lynch you, I'm sure they won't mind this:

EC_Slayer is (name deleted by Gandalf).
I reported it immediately to 4Sigma. The PM had a player id. I'm not sure why 4Sigma is muddying the water by suggesting KP did not know the slayer.

I told no one except 4Sigma. So if, as KP suggests, "others did the same", it is because they got similar PMs and reported it, not because I coordinated anything.

That's rich. So now I am a traitor and a cheater? Is anyone buying this crap?

[Gandalf]

An open suggestion to EC1 and EC2:

This is a game. I know your regular ids are not as evil as EC1 or EC2, nor could they possibly be as stupid as you have made EC1 appear. :P

While KP may have done nothing against the rules, and probably was acting without your knowledge, I can't believe you would want to win that way. How about:

Mr. P selects a different slayer from among the living students (not you, sleeper, or current slayer). Neither you nor KP would have a clue who that is.

There is one drawback to that: the ghosts would then have proof that two different living students are innocent. They shouldn't have that. On the other hand, you will know that the current slayer, who KP has presumably outed to you, is not the new slayer. It seems reasonably fair. You still get to keep whatever KP has already told you about ghost strategy, ghost opinion, etc.

If you think this sounds fair, why don't you and EC_Slayer discuss it with Mr. P by PM. If all three of you favor it, I think Mr. P would go along, at least unless he had received PMed objections from some other players.

If you're thinking about keeping your ill-gotten gains, remember: we may get you anyway. You will never live it down if you take this unfair advantage and still lose.

[Traina]

Unvote:Werewolf

Vote: Butters

[J.T.]

I know I haven't sent suggestions or picked anyone to vote yet, but I have been pretty swamped at work and trying to get caught up on studying before I leave on vacation in a week. I am going to reread the thread over the weekend (planning on Saturday night), in which I should have some time to go over it in silence.

I will try to participate more in the near future.....

[Gandalf]

So now I am a traitor and a cheater?
Sending the PM just to me made you a cheater and an intended traitor. Depending on who else you sent it to, you may be an actual traitor as well.

[Tim><]

:viola:

[Ebenezer Kohl]

KP/Gandalf controversy must be an elaborate hoax by those panty wastes in the Ghost Committee. ;) Don’t be distracted active students. We need votes in bold and we need them now.

Will Durant, Gandalf, Sunny, and Mulan should be off limits this round. In order to protect the slayer we should shuffle the potential persons to lynch each round. Don’t worry, Will (or Mulan), I’ll be voting for you next time.

I see Sunny has three votes but I will not swing on the above three players. The hubbub at present does alter active student voting strategy.

I want to swing my vote. Perhaps another vote for Butters? Perhaps 2 more votes for me? Perhaps you should attempt to work together to form voting blocks? Get to it. Time is fleeting.

1 Ebenezer Kohl - Avi
1 CubedBee - Avi
Will Durant - Sunny
1 Cho Da - Sunny
J.T. - xxx
5 Avi - Kaput Shakur
1 Ultimate Anyone - xxx
Gandalf - Cho Da
Kenshiro - …
Jables - Butters
Maine-iac - xxx
Asynchronous - Butters
Anonymouse - Avi
All Clear - xxx
jadzia - xxx
Traina - Werewolf
RedSoxFan - xxx
3 Sunny - Avi
BC - xxx
1 Kaput Shakur - xxx
2 Butters - Avi
Macroman - Ebenezer Kohl
1 Werewolf - Sunny
Mulan - CubedBee
thing - Ultimate Anyone

Super Silver Haze - Slain by EC - Innocent Student
Leela - Slain by EC - Innocent Student
4sigma - Slain by EC - Innocent Student
Rocky - Slain by EC - Innocent Student

Oblomov - Lynched by the Students - Innocent Student
snafu - Lynched by the Students - Innocent Student
karma police Lynched by the Students - Innocent Student

Ahow Staked by Slayer - Innocent Student
stu - Staked by Slayer - Innocent Student
Hagbard Celine - Staked by Slayer - Innocent Student

[Gandalf]

Meanwhile, KP's behavior has taken our focus off another issue: is Ebenezer Kohl off his medications, or on some heavy non-prescription stuff? Before I said it was impossible to judge the quiet ones; now we're also faced with the irrational players. Not stupid, like EC1, but in outer space.

[Ebenezer Kohl]

1 Ebenezer Kohl - Butters
1 CubedBee - Avi
Will Durant - Sunny
1 Cho Da - Sunny
J.T. - xxx
4 Avi - Kaput Shakur
1 Ultimate Anyone - xxx
Gandalf - Cho Da
Kenshiro - …
Jables - Butters
Maine-iac - xxx
Asynchronous - Butters
Anonymouse - Avi
All Clear - xxx
jadzia - xxx
Traina - Butters
RedSoxFan - xxx
3 Sunny - Avi
BC - xxx
1 Kaput Shakur - xxx
4 Butters - Avi
Macroman - Ebenezer Kohl
Werewolf - Sunny
Mulan - CubedBee
thing - Ultimate Anyone

Heck, we have the thread vote on Butters while I was forming the posts. Okay, SWING!

Unvote: Avi
Vote: Butters

[Gandalf]

Will Durant, Gandalf, Sunny, and Mulan should be off limits this round. In order to protect the slayer we should shuffle the potential persons to lynch each round. Don’t worry, Will (or Mulan), I’ll be voting for you next time.

I see Sunny has three votes but I will not swing on the above three players.Three players? There appear to be four names. Is that three players plus your EC partner? :)

[Traina]

Wow, this may be the worst or the best game yet (depending on your perspective)...what with an alleged traitor, dissension in the ranks and so on :shake:

[Gandalf]

Wow, this may be the worst or the best game yet (depending on your perspective)...what with an alleged traitor, dissension in the ranks and so on :shake:So far it has gone well for you, but your perspective may change after we get you and your partner. I understand why you like the traitor.

[Tim><]

Is it just me, or does Gandalf seem like he is on a different team than everyone else?

[Kaput Shakur]

I thought I'd already submitted this, but can't find it...



While EB's logorrhea is interesting, I have to go with my gut:



Vote: Sunny

[Ebenezer Kohl]

I see Sunny has three votes but I will not swing on the above three players.Three players? There appear to be four names. Is that three players plus your EC partner? :)
:swear: I haven't had coffee yet this morning! :D

[urysohn]

Incidentally, do the other members of the Ghost Forum really have the authority to kick Karma Police out? If so, who really gets to make those calls? Majority decision by the ghosts? One ghost's whim? Mr. Penguin? Is this the questions-only post?

[Traina]

Meanwhile, KP's behavior has taken our focus off another issue: is Ebenezer Kohl off his medications, or on some heavy non-prescription stuff? Before I said it was impossible to judge the quiet ones; now we're also faced with the irrational players. Not stupid, like EC1, but in outer space.

Don't know about the medications, but I did receive an awfully racy proposition from him...something about swinging :D

[Butters]

Vote: Butters

For the same reason as last (http://actuary.ca/phpBB/viewtopic.php?p=561964#561964)time.


Stapler pick: Butters and Ebenezer Kohl

Hooray! I'm finally a stapler pick! :D
While I'm excited to finally be worthy of a stapler pick, I just want you to know that you will lose with your selections.

[Sunny]

What'd Karma Police do?
Sent me, at least, a PM:Since the ghosts trusted you over me, and still don't want to lynch you, I'm sure they won't mind this:

EC_Slayer is (name deleted by Gandalf).
I reported it immediately to 4Sigma. The PM had a player id. I'm not sure why 4Sigma is muddying the water by suggesting KP did not know the slayer.

I told no one except 4Sigma. So if, as KP suggests, "others did the same", it is because they got similar PMs and reported it, not because I coordinated anything.

Gandalf, send me a pm. What did Karma do? :-?

[Ultimate Anyone?]

Let's getting lynching!

Vote: Butters

[Gandalf]

Gandalf, send me a pm. What did Karma do? :-?
You just quoted what he did, in the same message I took this quote from.

He PMed me, an active player, the name of the Slayer (the name he claimed was the slayer). It seems like he PMed others as well, though I don't know this for a fact, and none have come forward publicly.

Not fair, no matter what. Apparently traitorous, if he really thinks I'm EC. And who knows who else he might have sent it to?

[Mulan]

In respect for Avi's post, I urge everyone to vote for CubedBee... he seems more likely to me now....

[Sunny]

Gandalf, send me a pm. What did Karma do? :-?
You just quoted what he did, in the same message I took this quote from.

He PMed me, an active player, the name of the Slayer (the name he claimed was the slayer). It seems like he PMed others as well, though I don't know this for a fact, and none have come forward publicly.

Not fair, no matter what. Apparently traitorous, if he really thinks I'm EC. And who knows who else he might have sent it to?

Ok, I don't get it. So???

[Sunny]

BTW, for now, I Unvote: Avi

[cubedbee]

Whatever you think of Avi, this has got to go down in history as a classic post. :notworth: No offense meant to those demeaned in the above post, mind you. But I find the composition to be artistic.

I agree. Thanks for the entertaining post Avi. Fortunately, not all of us can be fooled by your witful prattle.

Prattle is not a word that normal people use. I've had never used the word in my life before this thread. Despite what you claimed in this post (http://actuary.ca/phpBB/viewtopic.php?p=560181#560181), I, and other vocabulary stunted students, believe it is certainly an uncommon enough word to point to you.

You're using Cannonball to cloud the issue. Just because you've never used a fancy word in the past on the RF, doesn't mean its not part of your vocabulary. And just because Cannonball has used it in the past, doesn't mean he is playing in this game. And I certainly don't think it is a memorable enough phrase that aquaintances of his would mimic him.

You are definitely in this game, while Cannonball is probably not. Your defense started off by saying the phrase wasn't uncommon enough to pont to anyone, and now you're saying it is uncommon enough to point directly to Cannonball and imply he is in the game. If I had been you, I would have said that yes, witless prattle does sound like me, but its so obvious that it has to be EC1 trying to frame me. Instead, you are stumbling around on the defensive. It seems to me that you used the phrase, thinking it was one us dullards use, and are now on the defensive since you've found out it isn't.

[Sunny]

Let me get this out clearly. I have come to observe that, in this game, not only paranoia and suspicion run the show, apparently it is expected that people falsely accuse all the time!? I mean I see Mulan's behavior, and what she tells me in pm's, there are no reasons for many of her accusations, even she herself has posted that she's doing this purely to stir up conversation and cause more commotion to get people talking. If anything, I see Karma doing things out of conviction, as Snafu was totally convinced that I was EC, so was Karma about Gandalf. But whether he pm'd Gandalf about who the slayer he thought he was as a living player for God's sake, what does that have anything to do with violating anything, even to the point of banning him from the ghost forum?!?!?!?! :o What about others' false public accusations? And setting people up!!?! I have done nothing but out of conviction in all that I've done (well, other than usually eventually going with the ghost forum since 1. I'm new to the game and so I thought I should respect what's expected by the majority for now and 2. it's early in the game so I really can't say I know any more than they do.

But so far the ghosts, although I try to be very encouraging and do my best to be helpful (sometimes probably too overwhelmingly so, and maybe oftentimes leading them to every direction :P), so far have not produced an EC for us. And another thing to point out that is extremely important for me to let you all know, is that even though I am not EC, nor the sleeper, nor slayer #1 nor #2, in other words I am not anyone important in this game whatsoever, Karma thinks that I am EC despite me telling him (in chat and in pm--I forgot if I've even told him so on the phone once) he still thinks I'm EC, and wouldn't trust me even though I know him irl!!!! :swear: BUT, that being said, I am confused as to how in the world I could believe Karma did anything wrong really. So I absolutely disagree the banning of Karma, although I do intend to give penguini a call and, to the extent possible for me to still be a living player, figure out what exactly was the issue.

Now, we will eventually know who the ECs and the sleeper and the slayer (even the prior one I suppose) are. The truth will come out. But if the ghost forum is tampered by the EC in any way, I will resign from the game and simply leave a note saying: Sunny was abducted by the aliens, and all that is left is a note: I am only an innocent student.

Yes, it's getting a little personal here. Because I know Karma irl, and as far as I know 1. he has not violated any rules, 2. the ECs may the the culprit of all this crap.

[Cho Da]

Now we see the violence inherent in the system. Some of the students push the edge of the rules to try to create an advantage, then when this makes the game boring, another student tries to liven it up. First the Ghosts ask us to be sheep, but then a trust is betrayed. The game is won by killing the EC. While KP may have set us back, we still out number them by a significant margin.

EK, why should those three(four) be spared?

Unvote: Sunny
Vote: Ebenezer Kohl

[snafu]

By my count, the current unofficial tally is
5 Butters
3 Avi
3 Sunny
2 Ebenezer Kohl
1 Cho Da
1 CubedBee
1 Kaput Shakur
1 Ultimate Anyone?

[Kenshiro]

I still don't understand what Karma Police did. Did he pm the same name to each student? Maybe he pmed different names to a couple different people (or maybe just one to Gandalf) as a test. If Gandalf were EC, the player Karma named would be killed and this would be strong evidence that Gandalf actually was EC.

Of course, this would be really stupid anyway, because a wily EC wouldn't immediately act on the name.

[Sunny]

I still don't understand what Karma Police did. Did he pm the same name to each student? Maybe he pmed different names to a couple different people (or maybe just one to Gandalf) as a test. If Gandalf were EC, the player Karma named would be killed and this would be strong evidence that Gandalf actually was EC.

Of course, this would be really stupid anyway, because a wily EC wouldn't immediately act on the name.

Exactly.

I don't know exactly what happened either, other than what's posted here. Karma has stuck strictly to the rules, so we don't talk about the game irl either when I called him this morning.

All I know is, if Karma has not violated any rules, why ban him? Something's gotta be at stake that's uh, like, really important to somebody! And who could that somebody be but the EC!

[snafu]

Lost internet connectivity this morning (hazards of working in a third world country) so am just catching up on the Karma Police issue.

EK - seems you've gotten your wish for things to become more interesting. And if what the ghosts suspect about KP is true then our chances have been weakened but not completely compromised. I think I understand the underlying strategy you are going for with your swing action. Besides being more fun it seems to be a good information gathering strategy. Good for you and good luck.

I've posted before about what I think is the role of the ghosts. Right now the worse that can happen from any strategy - swing or ghost suggest - is that the students accidentally kill the slayer and lose a slayer turn before the new slayer arises. The ghosts are having fun - if you can call dealing with HP and EK fun. The students are having fun - accusations flying. KP is having fun with whatever the hell he is doing. EK is having fun with some sort of behind the scenes machinations. I'm not sure my poor heart can take so much fun all at once.

[Cho Da]

Upon further reflection, isn't it a rule that ghosts don't pm the living? Is Gandalf just making this all up? Does it really matter?

[Traina]

I still don't understand what Karma Police did. Did he pm the same name to each student? Maybe he pmed different names to a couple different people (or maybe just one to Gandalf) as a test. If Gandalf were EC, the player Karma named would be killed and this would be strong evidence that Gandalf actually was EC.

Of course, this would be really stupid anyway, because a wily EC wouldn't immediately act on the name.

You can't really know, unless you received a pm from Karma. All we have to go on right now, is what 4sigma & Gandalf reported.

Anyway, this is really just distracting us from our purpose...DEATH TO THE EC!!!

[Traina]

Upon further reflection, isn't it a rule that ghosts don't pm the living? Is Gandalf just making this all up? Does it really matter?
Yes. Who knows? Not really.

[Sunny]

I do realize we want to protect the identity of our slayer, but man for Heaven's sake! We can replace our slayer even if he's slain at this point dagnabbit!!!!

[Sunny]

I still don't understand what Karma Police did. Did he pm the same name to each student? Maybe he pmed different names to a couple different people (or maybe just one to Gandalf) as a test. If Gandalf were EC, the player Karma named would be killed and this would be strong evidence that Gandalf actually was EC.

Of course, this would be really stupid anyway, because a wily EC wouldn't immediately act on the name.

You can't really know, unless you received a pm from Karma. All we have to go on right now, is what 4sigma & Gandalf reported.

Anyway, this is really just distracting us from our purpose...DEATH TO THE EC!!!

I don't think so. It's very related to our purpose.

[Kenshiro]

Exactly.

I don't know exactly what happened either, other than what's posted here. Karma has stuck strictly to the rules, so we don't talk about the game irl either when I called him this morning.

All I know is, if Karma has not violated any rules, why ban him? Something's gotta be at stake that's uh, like, really important to somebody! And who could that somebody be but the EC!

Maybe it's all a really clever plan cooked up by Karma, 4sigma and Gandalf to convince the EC that Gandalf isn't the slayer.

Of course, they've also leaked that the ghosts seem to feel strongly that Gandalf isn't EC, so that would defeat the purpose.

I'd also like to point out that Karma clearly broke the rules by PMing a living player. He should be banned from the ghost forum and the thread.

[Ultimate Anyone?]

Okay, Sunny's getting a little too font-happy for me:

Unvote: Butters
Vote: Sunny

(And if it's some code, my bad - clearly it's not intended for me.)

[Sunny]

Maybe it's all a really clever plan cooked up by Karma, 4sigma and Gandalf to convince the EC that Gandalf isn't the slayer.

Of course, they've also leaked that the ghosts seem to feel strongly that Gandalf isn't EC, so that would defeat the purpose.

I'd also like to point out that Karma clearly broke the rules by PMing a living player. He should be banned from the ghost forum and the thread.

Well, I offered to talk to penguini when I called Karma up, I know he really appreciated that, so I don't think it's all a hoax. He says he has not sent the pm Gandalf accused him of.

That much I did talk to him about the game, then he said he will stick to the rules and not talk to me about the EC game. And I have still yet to talk to penguini (he's busy at this moment but will call me later).

[Sunny]

Okay, Sunny's getting a little too font-happy for me:

Unvote: Butters
Vote: Sunny

(And if it's some code, my bad - clearly it's not intended for me.)

Don't worry, I'll resign from the game soon enough.

[Will Durant]

Sent me, at least, a PM:Since the ghosts trusted you over me, and still don't want to lynch you, I'm sure they won't mind this:

EC_Slayer is (name deleted by Gandalf).
I'm not sure I understand why this is traitorous. It just looks like a feeble trick to me. I would guess the plan is to give you X - who is probably not the actual Slayer - to see if the EC hit X, which would out you.

Maybe he even sent the same message to various suspects with different "slayers"?

Am I missing something?

[Sunny]

Sent me, at least, a PM:Since the ghosts trusted you over me, and still don't want to lynch you, I'm sure they won't mind this:

EC_Slayer is (name deleted by Gandalf).
I'm not sure I understand why this is traitorous. It just looks like a feeble trick to me. I would guess the plan is to give you X - who is probably not the actual Slayer - to see if the EC hit X, which would out you.

Maybe he even sent the same message to various suspects with different "slayers"?

Am I missing something?

That's my guess, Will.

[Mulan]

Let me get this out clearly. I have come to observe that, in this game, not only paranoia and suspicion run the show, apparently it is expected that people falsely accuse all the time!? I mean I see Mulan's behavior, and what she tells me in pm's, there are no reasons for many of her accusations, even she herself has posted that she's doing this purely to stir up conversation and cause more commotion to get people talking. Sunny, the point of the game is to get everyone talking and looking for slip ups by the EC. What would we base our decisions on if no one was talking? What would we talk about except who is guilty?

If anything, I see Karma doing things out of conviction, as Snafu was totally convinced that I was EC, so was Karma about Gandalf. But whether he pm'd Gandalf about who the slayer he thought he was as a living player for God's sake, what does that have anything to do with violating anything, even to the point of banning him from the ghost forum?!?!?!?! :o What about others' false public accusations? And setting people up!!?! I have done nothing but out of conviction in all that I've done (well, other than usually eventually going with the ghost forum since 1. I'm new to the game and so I thought I should respect what's expected by the majority for now and 2. it's early in the game so I really can't say I know any more than they do. As a ghost, Karma is not allowed to PM living players. Giving away the slayers name to a player that might be EC is bad too. Lastly, keep in mind that the ghosts might just be "giving" up some of their power to us, as several of us have requested.

But so far the ghosts, although I try to be very encouraging and do my best to be helpful (sometimes probably too overwhelmingly so, and maybe oftentimes leading them to every direction :P), so far have not produced an EC for us. If they'd vote for Will or Cho Da, they'd get one for sure. :wink: (Not that I have any idea). It is hard to find two bad guys when there are no faces or body language. I don't blame the ghosts or slayer for their misses.

And another thing to point out that is extremely important for me to let you all know, is that even though I am not EC, nor the sleeper, nor slayer #1 nor #2, in other words I am not anyone important in this game whatsoever, Karma thinks that I am EC despite me telling him Sunny, being accused is an honor, as it protects the slayer, if you are not the slayer, and it gives the EC a false sense of security (that they are not suspected). Do not protest your innocence too loudly, since if you are not EC, the EC may decide you are quite innocent and kill you. There is no way you KNOW that you are NOT the sleeper, if you aren't EC. Asserting you are NOT the sleeper is impossible, unless you ARE EC.

[Sunny]

Whatever Mulan, that's exactly my point.

1. Karma did not break any rules.

2. Karma should stay in the ghost forum.

3. DEATH TO THE EC!!!

[Sunny]

Do not protest your innocence too loudly, since if you are not EC, the EC may decide you are quite innocent and kill you.

Um, the ECs know I'm innocent from the beginning, they haven't killed me because they are waiting for the students to lynch me.

There is no way you KNOW that you are NOT the sleeper, if you aren't EC. Asserting you are NOT the sleeper is impossible, unless you ARE EC.

I know because I am convinced that you are the sleeper. hahahahaha :lol:

[Mr. Penguin]

I am currently trying to verify whether or not Karma actually did PM living players. If so, he cheated and he will be thrown out of this game. The rules are clear. We're just trying to have some fun here. If you feel the need to cheat in order to win or whatever, well, that's just really goddamn sad.

I will rule on this shortly.

[Mulan]

Unvote: CubedBee
Vote: Sunny
This continuous not-understanding-the-game is getting on my nerves as well as the constant whining about being falsely suspected.

[Sunny]

Vote: Sunny

[Sunny]

I'm sick of your accusations Mulan.

[Sunny]

This continuous not-understanding-the-game is getting on my nerves as well as the constant whining about being falsely suspected.

Like you have never done the same--and having led an EC game in the past what the hair.

And I am not whining right now.

[BC]

I'd also like to point out that Karma clearly broke the rules by PMing a living player. He should be banned from the ghost forum and the thread.

Assuming the allegations are correct (which, based on what I've seen to date, I don't doubt it):

You and Cho Da beat me to it. Whether or not the ghost forum was "compromised" or any damage done is unknown; we'll see. However, one thing Mr. P made very clear was that there were to be no game-related PMs from the ghosts to the students - there was only to be one-way private communication allowed, from students TO ghosts. Since the rule was made by Mr. P, I think Penguin has the right (and/or responsibility) to determine what, if anything, should be done within the game to rectify this.

I also vaguely recall that sharing game-related PMs was considered within the spirit of the game, so I agree with Gandalf that this was not an "ethics" violation. I do think sharing private communications usually does qualify as this, although "you shouldn't put something in an e-mail that you wouldn't want to read in the NY Times". Breaking a game rule, yes. Poor sportsmanship, yes, I think so. "Attempted Treason" against the students, perhaps. "Successful Treason" against the students, probably not. Assuming Gandalf is EC, he is still ethical enough and a good enough sport not to try to take advantage of this "unauthorized information", as I believe he demonstrated in a prior post.

IMHO, On a side note, I think some of the ghosts' "code posts" may bend the spirit of the rule; Mr. P put a specific disclaimer about "as long as you give the game participants a chance to break the code" it's okay, and I don't have a problem with the ghosts taking advantage. But theoretically, if a player were to establish a series of "one-time pads" with several other players, as soon as one of the group were slain, there WOULD be "private" (unbreakable codes) communications available in public, which is why I think that using codes may "stretch" the spirit of the rules. Of course, I have an interest in cryptography... So this issue might want to be revisited if we play again.

Or else I'm going to come up with a series of one-time pads for each of you.

[Mulan]

Do not protest your innocence too loudly, since if you are not EC, the EC may decide you are quite innocent and kill you.

Um, the ECs know I'm innocent from the beginning, they haven't killed me because they are waiting for the students to lynch me.

There is no way you KNOW that you are NOT the sleeper, if you aren't EC. Asserting you are NOT the sleeper is impossible, unless you ARE EC.

I know because I am convinced that you are the sleeper. hahahahaha :lol:

Of course the EC knows whether you are or not, but if they think the students are convinced of your innocence, you'll be killed and the chances of a student win will have decreased. This was discussed several pages back.

I might be the sleeper, you might be the sleeper, All Clear might be the sleeper, and so on.... I don't believe the sleeper would know if he/she was the sleeper. Sincere spectulation on the id of the sleeper is not possible, unless you can be pretty sure who the EC are and further can divine who they seem to be protecting....

[Sunny]

Assuming Gandalf is EC, he is still ethical enough and a good enough sport not to try to take advantage of this "unauthorized information", as I believe he demonstrated in a prior post.

Granted, Gandalf may not be EC, but if he is, and the ghost forum is successfully under his thumb, then I refuse to play this game because it has become a game such that the living players have no weight, not fun, and are manipulated by the EC because of a compromised ghost forum?

I would like to know the truth, did Karma pm any living player as the ghost.

Also, one question, I know karma asked the EC's to pm him. In the case of ECs, can ghosts pm them?

[Rocky]

Okay, Sunny's getting a little too font-happy for me:

Unvote: Butters
Vote: Sunny

(And if it's some code, my bad - clearly it's not intended for me.)

Don't worry, I'll resign from the game soon enough.

Now that I'm dead, she's not having any fun. :wink:

[BC]

I see several posts have appeared while I was composing my opus.

Mulan also pointed out that game-related PMs from ghosts to students are against the rules, Mr. P is already deciding what to do, and I might also be the sleeper and not know it.

Have I covered everything?

I think this is a temporary glitch, and we'll all be able to go back to our fun soon. Until then, let's not get all bent out of shape. Most of us have a common goal:

Death the the EC!

[Sunny]

Do not protest your innocence too loudly, since if you are not EC, the EC may decide you are quite innocent and kill you.

Um, the ECs know I'm innocent from the beginning, they haven't killed me because they are waiting for the students to lynch me.

There is no way you KNOW that you are NOT the sleeper, if you aren't EC. Asserting you are NOT the sleeper is impossible, unless you ARE EC.

I know because I am convinced that you are the sleeper. hahahahaha :lol:

Of course the EC knows whether you are or not, but if they think the students are convinced of your innocence, you'll be killed and the chances of a student win will have decreased. This was discussed several pages back.

I might be the sleeper, you might be the sleeper, All Clear might be the sleeper, and so on.... I don't believe the sleeper would know if he/she was the sleeper. Sincere spectulation on the id of the sleeper is not possible, unless you can be pretty sure who the EC are and further can divine who they seem to be protecting....

From your own slip, I think I'm not the only one convinced about you being the sleeper.

I am well aware of that. That's why I've been pretty careless in this thread, so the students who think I'm suspicious have not been lacking, if you haven't noticed.

However, at this point I don't particularly care.

And while EC1 might not be clever enough to know to kill me, EC2 has not wasted his turn on me so far.

[snafu]

When KP came into the Ghost Forum, he wanted to go after Gandalf based on his personal convictions of guilt/innocence. Heated discussion ensued with the other ghosts arguing that the ghost purpose is to filter the private info and not to wage personal vendettas. Shortly thereafter KP made the following posts.

Will the real ECs please send me a PM?

To the person who most recently PMed me. Revenge is often sweeter than victory.

You are assuming perfect communication. In this situation, information might not always be trusted. However, individuals might have a vague idea of who might be EC or the Slayer. This could be determined from an apparent overall strategy rather than direct communication.

I'm not sure that you're hearing me.

I hear you loud and clear, but it looks like poor BC is clueless :lol:

Try 307763 or 140253.

The numbers in the last post do not correspond to any code that the ghosts are aware of. When asked to explain what was going on, KP could provide no good explanation for these posts. We therefore suspect that he leaked information on the slayer to the EC and took action to have him banned from the ghost forum.

I don't know about the PM to Gandalf and my PM's to Karma Police have gone unanswered. Draw your own conclusions but I must say, KP has certainly livened things up.

[Sunny]

BTW, I am successfully padding my posts to the 3333 goal. This EC Game rocks! :D

[Mr. Penguin]

My ruling:

I have insufficient evidence that cheating has occurred. KP may stay in the game, but I will issue a warning to all players: if you feel the need to cheat in what should otherwise be a pleasant distraction, that's just pathetic. Please don't make me spend my valuable time dealing with your own issues of inadequacy. There are no cheating warnings. No second chances.

Going forward, I will ask glenn to follow Leela's lead on who has access to the Ghost Forum.

And folks, please remember, this is a GAME.

[Sunny]

Firstly, Snafu, appreciate the clarification.

The numbers in the last post do not correspond to any code that the ghosts are aware of. When asked to explain what was going on, KP could provide no good explanation for these posts.

I'd be curious as to exactly what did he provide as an explanation.

I don't know about the PM to Gandalf and my PM's to Karma Police have gone unanswered.

He hasn't opened my pm either, nor my last call. He might be in a meeting.

Draw your own conclusions but I must say, KP has certainly livened things up.

That's for sure!!!! :D

Unvote: Sunny

[Mulan]

BTW, I am successfully padding my posts to the 3333 goal. This EC Game rocks! :DCan I be of further assistance? :P :D

[Sunny]

Penguini, this is a game, but no fun if not played fairly. What I was concerned about was the EC's tampering the ghost forum, actually.

Now it's much easier for you cuz you know who they are! ;)

[Mulan]

Unvote: Sunny
Vote: Will Durant

[snafu]

I'd be curious as to exactly what did he provide as an explanation. Sunny, I don't use words like that in front of a lady but the general idea was none of our business.

Penguini, this is a game, but no fun if not played fairly. What I was concerned about was the EC's tampering the ghost forum, actually.
We don't think the EC tampered. We think one of the ghosts decided revenge would be more fun than victory. Nothing wrong with someone changing teams in the middle of a game based on rampant paranoi and baseless accusations.

edited to get the quoting right

[Sunny]

The ghosts are having fun - if you can call dealing with HP and EK fun. The students are having fun - accusations flying. KP is having fun with whatever the hell he is doing. EK is having fun with some sort of behind the scenes machinations. I'm not sure my poor heart can take so much fun all at once.

:lol:

I agree.

[Gandalf]

I think Mr. Penguin has reached a fair decision. I did receive a PM, in violation of the rules, but if that was the only PM sent then this one-time warning to everyone seems OK. It is a game.

Initially I did not describe it as cheating. I merely reported the incident to 4Sigma. At that time, and even now, I have no way of being sure if the name I was given was really the Slayer. From 4Sigma's reaction, either he was concerned about the security breach in the PM to me, or maybe others also reported them.

So far I am the only one to report such a PM, so perhaps he sent no others. I am surprised that he referred to efforts by me and others to discredit him, since I told no one except 4Sigma and EC_Slayer about it.

[Sunny]

Gandalf, did KP pm you as a ghost?

[Sunny]

Gandalf, did KP pm you as a ghost?

:-?

[Will Durant]

Gandalf, did KP pm you as a ghost?

:-?
Why are you questioning your own post? Did you mean to post one of these using your EC1 ID.

Not to help EC or anything, but in the spirit of it being only a game (and taking pity on your obvious mental disability) . . .

1. Log on as Sunny
2. Post your question "Gandalf, did KP pm you as a ghost?:
3. Log off
4. Log on as EC1
5. Post your :-?
6. Log off again

[Butters]

I'm sticking with my vote for Avi. Avi, I was deeply offended by your post, and I'm not sure that I can make it through the day without crying over it some more. :roll:

I do want you to know, however, that the "witless prattle" quote was never the reason that I voted for you. I gave my reasoning early in the game, and now I'm just being stubborn and will continue to vote for you until either A) you're dead, B) I'm dead, or C) I am convinced that there is no chance that you are EC. :D

[Sunny]

Gandalf, did KP pm you as a ghost?

:-?
Why are you questioning your own post?

Simply because I was impatient.

I think Gandalf only got the pm from KP as a living player. So this whole thing is a manipulation on Gandalf's part.

And since I posed right after his, I thought he should have replied right away. When he didn't, I did :-? again.

[Gandalf]

Gandalf, did KP pm you as a ghost?

:-?
Yes, I have made that clear several times. The PM has been quoted, except for the (supposed) slayer's name.

This is a game, Sunny. People lie. Maybe it wasn't the real slayer. Maybe, though it seems unlikely, he forgot the rule about PMing living players. Maybe he thought the rule was only against PMing true information.

I'm feeling a lot less concerned about this since apparently no one else received a PM.

[Sunny]

:blah: . . . (and taking pity on your obvious mental disability) . . .

You're welcome. Apparently my obvious mental disability allowed us to figure out Karma was manipulated by Gandalf out of the ghost forum.

[Sunny]

Vote: Gandalf.

[Sunny]

I'm changing this post after further behind-the-scenes investigation. Please count this as my vote from now on each round every round until I am murdered/lynched/slayed.

Unvote: Whatever I've ever voted
Vote: Gandalf

This post was edited once to change its content, again to add this note.

[Mr. Penguin]

Midday tally, 13 votes needed for lynching:

Butters 5
Avi 3
Sunny 3
Ebenezer Kohlx 2
Will Durant 2
Cho Da 1
Kaput Shakur 1
Ultimate Anyone 1

[ahow]

Karma has stuck strictly to the rules...
This thread (http://actuary.ca/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=32108) is an example of Karma not following the rules. I know I have seen him post nonsense and thread hijacks elsewhere as well. Of course, it IS in The Reef, so I don't know how indicative of him following the rules elsewhere is...

[Gandalf]

Is it just me, or does Gandalf seem like he is on a different team than everyone else?
EC1 is on a different team. NTTAWWT.

Ebenezer Kohl may be on the same team, but he's playing a different game or in a different ballpark.

I'm on the same team as almost all the other players.

[Sunny]

Karma has stuck strictly to the rules...
This thread (http://actuary.ca/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=32108) is an example of Karma not following the rules. I know I have seen him post nonsense and thread hijacks elsewhere as well. Of course, it IS in The Reef, so I don't know how indicative of him following the rules elsewhere is...

But that's the Reef. ;)

[Gandalf]

Wait, Gandalf, I read your post after I voted. So what you are saying is Karma did indeed violate the rules, but Mr. P is now giving him a one-time warning, and you think it's fair, gotcha..

In that case,

Unvote: Gandalf
Vote: Will Durant
I don't want you to change your vote back to me, and don't think Mr. Penguin should sanction it for something that has already happened, but I also think it was wrong for KP after being lynched to tell you IRL that he didn't send a PM to me. Ghosts shouldn't be discussing anything game-related with living players except in the public thread. Even with friends.

It's only a game. No evil intent. I don't think it should happen again. If this is helping the EC, I've always believed even the EC deserves the benefit of the intent of the rules.

[All Clear]

I wish, as a live student, that I would be able to vote without being told by the ghosts to put everything in red. I thought that last game, and thought the same this game. The thing was, I know the best chance for us to win is to go through a ghost forum, and not wanting to sound EC-ish, I decided not to say anything to that effect. Ebenezer is right in that I think this way will make it more fun for us, but I am sad to say that unless I highly disagree with the choice, I will probably end up following them, like a pawn in their grand plan. :-) I am putting this vote in bold, but that is only because it seems unlikely she will be lynched. I will almost for sure end up changing the vote to the ghosts' choice.

Traina has posted to this thread every now and then, saying some informative posts at times. Since EK's post putting her down as one of the people we can vote for, everything changed. Even after her claim that she would not have constant internet access until the end of June, she has made 4 (I think) posts this morning, far more than any other day yet, almost as if she wants to stay involved and have us suspect others. I choose to suspect her.

[Sunny]

Wait, Gandalf, I read your post after I voted. So what you are saying is Karma did indeed violate the rules, but Mr. P is now giving him a one-time warning, and you think it's fair, gotcha..

In that case,

Unvote: Gandalf
Vote: Will Durant
I don't want you to change your vote back to me, and don't think Mr. Penguin should sanction it for something that has already happened, but I also think it was wrong for KP after being lynched to tell you IRL that he didn't send a PM to me. Ghosts shouldn't be discussing anything game-related with living players except in the public thread. Even with friends.

It's only a game. No evil intent. I don't think it should happen again. If this is helping the EC, I've always believed even the EC deserves the benefit of the intent of the rules.

If anything, that would be my fault. I wanted to hear from the horse's mouth what happened, apparently KP was upset by this too, and I was trying to help and, if you know Sunny, I bombarded him with questions before he could think straight and say he's sticking to the rules.

Sunny has a way to get answers sometimes. ;)

BTW, I was saving my 3333 post to retire and post my death scene, but I guess Sunny will live on... :D

[BC]

Sunny has a way to get answers sometimes. ;)



Details, please?

[Traina]

I wish, as a live student, that I would be able to vote without being told by the ghosts to put everything in red. I thought that last game, and thought the same this game. The thing was, I know the best chance for us to win is to go through a ghost forum, and not wanting to sound EC-ish, I decided not to say anything to that effect. Ebenezer is right in that I think this way will make it more fun for us, but I am sad to say that unless I highly disagree with the choice, I will probably end up following them, like a pawn in their grand plan. :-) I am putting this vote in bold, but that is only because it seems unlikely she will be lynched. I will almost for sure end up changing the vote to the ghosts' choice.

Traina has posted to this thread every now and then, saying some informative posts at times. Since EK's post putting her down as one of the people we can vote for, everything changed. Even after her claim that she would not have constant internet access until the end of June, she has made 4 (I think) posts this morning, far more than any other day yet, almost as if she wants to stay involved and have us suspect others. I choose to suspect her.

Responding to accusations is a tricky thing. Do you stress your innocence, so the students don't lynch you or do you leave the possibility of guilt so the stinky EC don't kill you as an obvious innocent?

Luckily today's light at work (I really can only check from work for now)...and I just had to respond to Gandalf's accusation...even though he's probably just stirring things up.

DEATH TO THE EC!!!!

[RedSoxFan]

I'm going to vote for who the consensus is to this point:
Vote: Butters

[Mr. Penguin]

Traina has posted to this thread every now and then, saying some informative posts at times. Since EK's post putting her down as one of the people we can vote for, everything changed. Even after her claim that she would not have constant internet access until the end of June, she has made 4 (I think) posts this morning, far more than any other day yet, almost as if she wants to stay involved and have us suspect others. I choose to suspect her.

AC, I'm not sure whether or not your bolding is intended as a vote. Please clarify.

[Gandalf]

Why Butters? I see no reason at all to think so, but not much reason to be sure he isn't either.

Are you really going to let Cho Da get away with his "elder statesman above it all" act? He's a guy who likes to get his hands dirty, and already has with innocent student blood.

It's a shame I have to wait until next round for my Cho Da - Traina stapler vote.

[Kenshiro]

Traina has posted to this thread every now and then, saying some informative posts at times. Since EK's post putting her down as one of the people we can vote for, everything changed. Even after her claim that she would not have constant internet access until the end of June, she has made 4 (I think) posts this morning, far more than any other day yet, almost as if she wants to stay involved and have us suspect others. I choose to suspect her.

AC, I'm not sure whether or not your bolding is intended as a vote. Please clarify.

Voting is a follows: use BOLD to highlight votes and vote changes. Don't use bold for anything else. This is so I can try to follow the vote counts.

I am putting this vote in bold, but that is only because it seems unlikely she will be lynched. I will almost for sure end up changing the vote to the ghosts' choice.

[Gandalf]

AC, I'm not sure whether or not your bolding is intended as a vote. Please clarify.Of course it's a vote. Bold means vote. It's also a vote in the post two above yours, Mr. P. :)

And in Kenshiro's post immediately above this one. That makes 4 votes for Traina. :)

[Kenshiro]

Responding to accusations is a tricky thing. Do you stress your innocence, so the students don't lynch you or do you leave the possibility of guilt so the stinky EC don't kill you as an obvious innocent?

Luckily today's light at work (I really can only check from work for now)...and I just had to respond to Gandalf's accusation...even though he's probably just stirring things up.

DEATH TO THE EC!!!!

It isn't like Gandalf to accuse the ladies. Does he know something about you that we don't? Has Gandalf turned all EC1 on us?

[Tim><]

Karma has stuck strictly to the rules...
This thread (http://actuary.ca/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=32108) is an example of Karma not following the rules. I know I have seen him post nonsense and thread hijacks elsewhere as well. Of course, it IS in The Reef, so I don't know how indicative of him following the rules elsewhere is...

:rofl:

[Tim><]

Responding to accusations is a tricky thing. Do you stress your innocence, so the students don't lynch you or do you leave the possibility of guilt so the stinky EC don't kill you as an obvious innocent?

Luckily today's light at work (I really can only check from work for now)...and I just had to respond to Gandalf's accusation...even though he's probably just stirring things up.

DEATH TO THE EC!!!!

It isn't like Gandalf to accuse the ladies. Does he know something about you that we don't? Has Gandalf turned all EC1 on us?

Gandalf = EC1 :evil:

[Tim><]

I am not liking being a pariah. Maybe I should ask Andy Lang for some advice.

[Gandalf]

I am not liking being a pariah. Maybe I should ask Andy Lang for some advice.
You are already following in his footsteps. He was banned for calling someone an idiot, and you just said Gandalf = EC1.

[Traina]

Responding to accusations is a tricky thing. Do you stress your innocence, so the students don't lynch you or do you leave the possibility of guilt so the stinky EC don't kill you as an obvious innocent?

Luckily today's light at work (I really can only check from work for now)...and I just had to respond to Gandalf's accusation...even though he's probably just stirring things up.

DEATH TO THE EC!!!!

It isn't like Gandalf to accuse the ladies. Does he know something about you that we don't? Has Gandalf turned all EC1 on us?

He is trying to get me to send him more photos.

[snafu]

I am not liking being a pariah. Maybe I should ask Andy Lang for some advice.

OK, that is enough :swear:

Possibly going over to the EC side. Mean and nasty but within the parameters of the game.

Possibly PM'ing Gandalf - cheating but Mr. P's to arbitrate

Naming that which must not be named and possibly letting the evil AL re-rise from hell - bad, very very bad

[Tim><]

I am not liking being a pariah. Maybe I should ask Andy Lang for some advice.
You are already following in his footsteps. He was banned for calling someone an idiot, and you just said Gandalf = EC1.

So you are saying that I may be banned for calling EC1 an idiot?

[Gandalf]

:lolup:

[Mulan]

Mr. P,

My record of the voting seems different than yours:

Avi 3 (anony, butters and cubedbee)
Butters 5 (async, EK, Jables, RedSox, Traina)
Cho Da 1 (gandalf)
EK 2 (cho da and Macroman)
Kaput 1 (avi)
Sunny 4 (Kaput, Ultimate, Werewolf, Will)
Traina 1 (All Clear)
Ultimate 1 (thing)
Will 2 (sunny and Mulan)

I have one extra vote for Sunny that you don't have.

[Ebenezer Kohl]

My vote count is off that of Mr Penguin. Please indicate where I am wrong or correct your count Mr. Penguin. (Now I’m telling Mr. Penguin what to do. Yeah I am!)

EK, why should those three(four) be spared?

Right now the worse that can happen from any strategy - swing or ghost suggest - is that the students accidentally kill the slayer and lose a slayer turn before the new slayer arises.
Almost snafu… the worst thing that can happen is for the EC to hit are Slayer, not because we lose a Slayer’s turn, but because we lose a Slayer. Take some pride in your work people. I understand the game strategy advocated but there should be some respect for life and appreciation for the Slayer (who spends more time on this game than they would otherwise). Cho Da, potential persons to lynch should be rotated to protect the slayer such that the Ghost Committee doesn’t have to “miss” a particular person each time and give away the Slayer to the EC. I discussed this last game as well and as a loser (ghost) I had living students changing the potential persons to lynch each time.

Butters brought a tear to my ear (I may have been laughing).

Unvote: Butters
Vote: Avi

2 Ebenezer Kohl - Avi
CubedBee - Avi
2 Will Durant - Sunny
1 Cho Da - Ebenezer Kohl
J.T. - xxx
4 Avi - Kaput Shakur
1 Ultimate Anyone - Sunny
Gandalf - Cho Da
Kenshiro - …
Jables - Butters
Maine-iac - xxx
Asynchronous - Butters
Anonymouse - Avi
All Clear - Traina
jadzia - xxx
1 Traina - Butters
RedSoxFan - Butters
4 Sunny - Will Durant
BC - xxx
1 Kaput Shakur - Sunny
4 Butters - Avi
Macroman - Ebenezer Kohl
Werewolf - Sunny
Mulan - Will Durant
thing - Ultimate Anyone

Are you really going to let Cho Da get away with his "elder statesman above it all" act?
That is rich! :shake: Hello kettle, this is the pot, you're black. :lol:

[Ebenezer Kohl]

My record of the voting seems different than yours:
:swear: Get out of my head!!!

[Kenshiro]

He is trying to get me to send him more photos.

Vote: Traina

I'll change my vote when I get one of these photos.

[Ebenezer Kohl]

I'm changing this post after further behind-the-scenes investigation. Please count this as my vote from now on each round every round until I am murdered/lynched/slayed.

Unvote: Whatever I've ever voted
Vote: Gandalf

This post was edited once to change its content, again to add this note.
I don't think edits count, Sunny. Make a new post. Assuming you do, I've changed my roster.

2 Ebenezer Kohl - Avi
CubedBee - Avi
1 Will Durant - Sunny
1 Cho Da - Ebenezer Kohl
J.T. - xxx
4 Avi - Kaput Shakur
1 Ultimate Anyone - Sunny
1 Gandalf - Cho Da
Kenshiro - …
Jables - Butters
Maine-iac - xxx
Asynchronous - Butters
Anonymouse - Avi
All Clear - Traina
jadzia - xxx
1 Traina - Butters
RedSoxFan - Butters
4 Sunny - Gandalf
BC - xxx
1 Kaput Shakur - Sunny
4 Butters - Avi
Macroman - Ebenezer Kohl
Werewolf - Sunny
Mulan - Will Durant
thing - Ultimate Anyone

[BC]

Vote: Gandalf, at least until I hear differently from the ghosts.

[Gandalf]

Are you really going to let Cho Da get away with his "elder statesman above it all" act?
That is rich! :shake: Hello kettle, this is the pot, you're black. :lol:
Don't look at me. You are the one that said I should get away with it this round. Otherwise, the students would probably be on to me.

[Inigo Montoya]

Unsolicited conspiracy theory from a lurker:

I found the thread too late to join the game, but I have been following along. Here's what I think is going on.

The ghost forum has been compromised, but KP is innocent. The EC and their collaborator (the sleeper) are framing him because he knows too much.

Gandalf and Sunny are EC; 4 sigma is (was) the sleeper. At the start of the game, Gandalf pm's 4 sigma and tells him he is the sleeper. Together, they plan to have 4 sigma take over the ghost forum to protect the EC. To help divert suspicion away from 4 sigma and ensure that he is granted access to the ghost forum before the first EC is killed, the EC do the job themselves.

During a conversation with karma police IRL, Sunny (a.k.a. EC1) accidentally reveals that Gandalf has an alliance with someone in the game. Karma actually posted that somewhere in this thread, but I can't seem to find the exact post.

Karma police, as a living student, had been calling for their heads all along. They are even his stapler picks. Gandalf, along with the help of the corrupt ghost forum, continue to lynch innocent students. To clutter the thread with confusion, Sunny casts a continuous stream of wild accusations about most of the players in the game, including Gandalf.

After karma's death, he begins to win some support in the ghost forum, so now he needs to be discredited. Gandalf makes up a story about receiving a pm from karma, and 4 sigma posts his "urgent" message to the students.

Of course, I could just be a little too :tfh: while I'm waiting for July 9th.

Either way, count me in for the next game!
:D

[Sunny]

Fine.

Unvote: whatever I voted before
Vote: Gandalf

This is for every round from henceforth, I will not be posting anymore because I do intend to retire at 3333 (had to delete a post to vote this).

Can that be done?

Otherwise, I'm sure I can delete more posts to do this. ;)

And whoever just posted, you don't have any clue what's going on behind the scenes. So thank you very much, and have a nice day!

[Inigo Montoya]

Almost forgot, Death to the EC!

[ahow]

Unsolicited conspiracy theory from a lurker:

I found the thread too late to join the game, but I have been following along. Here's what I think is going on.

The ghost forum has been compromised, but KP is innocent. The EC and their collaborator (the sleeper) are framing him because he knows too much.

Gandalf and Sunny are EC; 4 sigma is (was) the sleeper. At the start of the game, Gandalf pm's 4 sigma and tells him he is the sleeper. Together, they plan to have 4 sigma take over the ghost forum to protect the EC. To help divert suspicion away from 4 sigma and ensure that he is granted access to the ghost forum before the first EC is killed, the EC do the job themselves.

During a conversation with karma police IRL, Sunny (a.k.a. EC1) accidentally reveals that Gandalf has an alliance with someone in the game. Karma actually posted that somewhere in this thread, but I can't seem to find the exact post.

Karma police, as a living student, had been calling for their heads all along. They are even his stapler picks. Gandalf, along with the help of the corrupt ghost forum, continue to lynch innocent students. To clutter the thread with confusion, Sunny casts a continuous stream of wild accusations about most of the players in the game, including Gandalf.

After karma's death, he begins to win some support in the ghost forum, so now he needs to be discredited. Gandalf makes up a story about receiving a pm from karma, and 4 sigma posts his "urgent" message to the students.

Of course, I could just be a little too :tfh: while I'm waiting for July 9th.

Either way, count me in for the next game!
:D
Looks like someone should possibly win a stapler! Look forward to seeing you in the game next time around...

[Ebenezer Kohl]

Maine-iac is away. JT indicated she would vote this weekend.

jadzia, make with a bold vote.

2 Ebenezer Kohl - Avi
CubedBee - Avi
1 Will Durant - Sunny
1 Cho Da - Ebenezer Kohl
J.T. - xxx
4 Avi - Kaput Shakur
1 Ultimate Anyone - Sunny
2 Gandalf - Cho Da
Kenshiro - Kenshiro
Jables - Butters
Maine-iac - xxx
Asynchronous - Butters
Anonymouse - Avi
All Clear - Traina
jadzia - xxx
2 Traina - Butters
RedSoxFan - Butters
4 Sunny - Gandalf
BC - Gandalf
1 Kaput Shakur - Sunny
4 Butters - Avi
Macroman - Ebenezer Kohl
Werewolf - Sunny
Mulan - Will Durant
thing - Ultimate Anyone

[Gandalf]

And whoever just posted, you don't have any clue what's going on behind the scenes. So thank you very much, and have a nice day!Right. The fact that we are sleeping together does not prove we are EC together.

[Ebenezer Kohl]

Mulan, Gandalf, Avi, and thing, your votes are isolated. Please vote for someone with multiple votes. Thanks in advance for being a living student team player.

2 Ebenezer Kohl - Avi
CubedBee - Avi
1 Will Durant - Sunny
1 Cho Da - Ebenezer Kohl
J.T. - xxx
4 Avi - Kaput Shakur
1 Ultimate Anyone - Sunny
2 Gandalf - Cho Da
Kenshiro - Traina
Jables - Butters
Maine-iac - xxx
Asynchronous - Butters
Anonymouse - Avi
All Clear - Traina
jadzia - xxx
2 Traina - Butters
RedSoxFan - Butters
4 Sunny - Gandalf
BC - Gandalf
1 Kaput Shakur - Sunny
4 Butters - Avi
Macroman - Ebenezer Kohl
Werewolf - Sunny
Mulan - Will Durant
thing - Ultimate Anyone

[Mr. Penguin]

OK, 2pm tally. Sorry about the miscount before. All the BS flying around this morning was more than enough to deal with.

Butters 5
Sunny 4
Avi 3
EK 2
Gandalf 2
Traina 2
Cho Da 1
Kaput Shakur 1
Ultimate Anyone 1
Will Durant 1

And BTW, Jables' post from last night:

So, have my vote for Butters stand for now, and should the ghosts' give a recommendation over the weekend, switch my vote to that person...
will NOT be changed until he either does so or grants another living player a proxy. What he posted is not a proxy.

[Mulan]

Unvote: Will Durant
Vote: Butters

[Mr. Penguin]

2:21 retally and corrected:

Butters 5
Sunny 4
Avi 4
EK 2
Gandalf 2
Traina 2
Cho Da 1
Kaput Shakur 1
Ultimate Anyone 1

[Avi]

Unvote: Kaput Shakur
Vote: Butters

[RedSoxFan]

I've read some more and think it is better to lynch Gandalf now. Some of what he has done is very suspicious. If he's innocent though, I think he will make a great ghost - so it's win-win no matter what.

Unvote: Butters
Vote: Gandalf

[BC]

I am willing to act as a proxy for people on Monday if anyone wants one.

[4sigma]

There seems to be some confusion, to say the least, about what KP is accused by the ghosts to have done. Sorry I did not make that clear in my earlier post.

Suspicions were instigated by this post (http://actuary.ca/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=30397&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=1448) of his, where he appears to be communicating to someone in code. Upon review, EC1 had made postings earlier in the thread which indicated that KP may be supposed to communicate to him.

Gandalf also brought certain behavior of KP to our attention. Our subsequent discussions in the ghost forum did not find KP's explanation of his actions to be credible. We inevitably decided that KP, while he perhaps was not proven guilty, could not continue to be trusted on the ghost forum at this time.

I confess it is possible that we may have misjudged him, though I think not. But you are welcome to judge him for yourselves. If KP is willing to provide his explanations to the students, everyone can form their own conclusions.

[cubedbee]

I've read some more and think it is better to lynch Gandalf now. Some of what he has done is very suspicious. If he's innocent though, I think he will make a great ghost - so it's win-win no matter what.

Unvote: Butters
Vote: Gandalf

I agree. There's something very slimey about the wizard this game.

Unvote: Avi
Vote: Gandalf

Edited to unbolden the quoted votes to not confuse Mr. Penguin.

[Avi]

After further review Unvote: Butters
Vote: Gandalf

[Gandalf]

Mulan, Gandalf, Avi, and thing, your votes are isolated. Please vote for someone with multiple votes. Thanks in advance for being a living student team player.
I may not be a living student team player much longer anyway. I stick with Cho Da for now. Maine-iac, jadzia, and J.T. will see the light, making 4, compared to only 3 if I switched to Traina.

[Ebenezer Kohl]

This is fun. :lol:

Unvote: Avi
Vote: Gandalf

2 Ebenezer Kohl - Gandalf
CubedBee - Gandalf
Will Durant - Sunny
1 Cho Da - Ebenezer Kohl
J.T. - xxx
2 Avi - Gandalf
1 Ultimate Anyone - Sunny
6 Gandalf - Cho Da
Kenshiro - Traina
Jables - Butters
Maine-iac - xxx
Asynchronous - Butters
Anonymouse - Avi
All Clear - Traina
jadzia - xxx
2 Traina - Butters
RedSoxFan - Gandalf
4 Sunny - Gandalf
BC - Gandalf
Kaput Shakur - Sunny
4 Butters - Avi
Macroman - Ebenezer Kohl
Werewolf - Sunny
Mulan - Butters
thing - Ultimate Anyone

[Gandalf]

I see Sunny has three votes but I will not swing on the above three players.Three players? There appear to be four names. Is that three players plus your EC partner? :)
:swear: I haven't had coffee yet this morning! :D

This is fun. :lol:

Unvote: Avi
Vote: Gandalf
Have you had your coffee yet? Too much whiskey in the coffee perhaps?

[Asynchronous]

I've read some more and think it is better to lynch Gandalf now. Some of what he has done is very suspicious. If he's innocent though, I think he will make a great ghost - so it's win-win no matter what.


Agreed.

Unvote: Butters
Vote: Gandalf

[snafu]

This is fun. :lol:

Unvote: Avi
Vote: Gandalf

2 Ebenezer Kohl - Gandalf
...
Mulan - Butters
thing - Ultimate Anyone

I like the vote summary you are putting together. The crosstabulation of votes for versus who they voted for is handy. In all seriousness though, could you please do an old friend a favor and get rid of the diminished font size. My tired old eyes are having difficulty reading the data. :cry:

[Mulan]

Unvote: Butters
Vote: Gandalf

[Cho Da]

This is fun. :lol:

Unvote: Avi
Vote: Gandalf

2 Ebenezer Kohl - Gandalf
...
Mulan - Butters
thing - Ultimate Anyone

I like the vote summary you are putting together. The crosstabulation of votes for versus who they voted for is handy. In all seriousness though, could you please do an old friend a favor and get rid of the diminished font size. My tired old eyes are having difficulty reading the data. :cry:Heh. Get a real browser and set the minimum displayed size.

Unvote: Ebenezer Kohl
Vote: Gandalf

[snafu]

This is fun. :lol:

Unvote: Avi
Vote: Gandalf

2 Ebenezer Kohl - Gandalf
...
Mulan - Butters
thing - Ultimate Anyone

I like the vote summary you are putting together. The crosstabulation of votes for versus who they voted for is handy. In all seriousness though, could you please do an old friend a favor and get rid of the diminished font size. My tired old eyes are having difficulty reading the data. :cry:Heh. Get a real browser and set the minimum displayed size.


Can't due to corporate standards. Also :moon:

[Traina]

Unvote: Butters
Vote: Gandalf

[Tim><]

Now that's the right idea.

[Mulan]

Anything for you, karma.....

Revenge is a dish served cold....

[Ultimate Anyone?]

*sniff* *sniff* I smell a lynching!

Unvote: Sunny (or was it Butters?) - either way, cancel it.
Vote: Gandalf

[Leela]

The ghosts will post two nominations late Saturday night if the student haven't lynched someone on their own by then.

[Kaput Shakur]

Why does it take so long for the ghosts to come up with their names? Can't they just run our suggestions through a scantron machine and tell us right away who we've lynched? And why can't we copy our votes in our computers and take them from this forum? What a bunch of power-hungry control freaks!


I've just had the strangest feeling of deja vu...

[Butters]

:lolup:

[Ultimate Anyone?]

Okay, I suppose we should at least listen to the ghosts (make 'em feel a little more important....):

Unvote: Gandalf

I suspect it'll be back there later.

[ahow]

Why does it take so long for the ghosts to come up with their names? Can't they just run our suggestions through a scantron machine and tell us right away who we've lynched? And why can't we copy our votes in our computers and take them from this forum? What a bunch of power-hungry control freaks!


I've just had the strangest feeling of deja vu...
Hey! We're not the EC here...

Actually, we are letting you guys hold the ball for awhile, so vote away students (and EC)!!!

[snafu]

The ghosts will post two nominations late Saturday night if the student haven't lynched someone on their own by then.

And the over/under on an Ebenezer Kohl anti-ghost post is how many posts?

[Mulan]

3 more votes to lynch Gandalf.. Come on Gang, let's GET HIM!

[Butters]

The ghosts are moving too slowly, so I'm going to jump on the student bandwagon (I'd like to vote for the lynchee at least once).

Unvote: Avi (don't worry, I'll vote for you again next time assuming we're both still alive at that point)
Vote: Gandalf

This round took a surprising turn. I was actually starting to think about my death scene when I saw the votes for me piling up.

[Mulan]

This round took a surprising turn. I was actually starting to think about my death scene when I saw the votes for me piling up.I offered to write one for you a few pages back, didn't you get it? I sent it to EC1... :lol:

[Ebenezer Kohl]

The ghosts will post two nominations late Saturday night if the student haven't lynched someone on their own by then.

And the over/under on an Ebenezer Kohl anti-ghost post is how many posts?
Leela, you silly still-not-getting-it wanna-be-playa ghost, the students dictate to you. You may select from the two highest vote receiving players at anytime. Should you opt not to do that by 5:00 pm whatever-time zone-active-players-recognize, then I and hopefully others will continue on and lynch whoever it is that strikes are fancy at that moment, because WE HAVE THE POWER OF THE MIGHTY BOLD VOTE. I know the ghosts are boring, but please don’t tell me the ghosts are too ignorant to understand these demands… no… not demands… these ORDERS. Thank you, come again.

1 Ebenezer Kohl - Gandalf
CubedBee - Gandalf
Will Durant - Sunny
1 Cho Da - Gandalf
J.T. - xxx
2 Avi - Gandalf
1 Ultimate Anyone - …
9 Gandalf - Cho Da
Kenshiro - Traina
Jables - Butters
Maine-iac - xxx
Asynchronous - Gandalf
Anonymouse - Avi
All Clear - Traina
jadzia - xxx
2 Traina - Gandalf
RedSoxFan - Gandalf
3 Sunny - Gandalf
BC - Gandalf
Kaput Shakur - Sunny
1 Butters - Avi
Macroman - Ebenezer Kohl
Werewolf - Sunny
Mulan - Gandalf
thing - Ultimate Anyone

[Leela]

Yes, the ghosts are moving slowly. We are trying to assimilate all of the information we have received. And completely shutting down the Forum last night and into this morning, in order to make sure karma police was out, did not help matters. :shake:

We also want to let you take the lynching into your own hands if you so choose. We felt we could let go a little this round since you can get a replacement Slayer if you lynch the current one.

But Saturday night is still over 40 hours before the lynching deadline. So, we're not moving that slowly. :wink: :crazy:


Carry on with your bandwagon if you wish. :horse:

[Ebenezer Kohl]

Unvote: Gandalf
Vote: Sunny

1 Ebenezer Kohl - Sunny
CubedBee - Gandalf
Will Durant - Sunny
1 Cho Da - Gandalf
J.T. - xxx
2 Avi - Gandalf
1 Ultimate Anyone - …
10 Gandalf - Cho Da
Kenshiro - Traina
Jables - Butters
Maine-iac - xxx
Asynchronous - Gandalf
Anonymouse - Avi
All Clear - Traina
jadzia - xxx
2 Traina - Gandalf
RedSoxFan - Gandalf
4 Sunny - Gandalf
BC - Gandalf
Kaput Shakur - Sunny
1 Butters - Gandalf
Macroman - Ebenezer Kohl
Werewolf - Sunny
Mulan - Gandalf
thing - Ultimate Anyone

[snafu]

EK - thanks for the bigger font

[Leela]

Leela, you silly still-not-getting-it wanna-be-playa ghost, the students dictate to you. You may select from the two highest vote receiving players at anytime. Should you opt not to do that by 5:00 pm whatever-time zone-active-players-recognize, then I and hopefully others will continue on and lynch whoever it is that strikes are fancy at that moment, because WE HAVE THE POWER OF THE MIGHTY BOLD VOTE. I know the ghosts are boring, but please don’t tell me the ghosts are too ignorant to understand these demands… no… not demands… these ORDERS. Thank you, come again.

You say that, but then I notice that you used snafu's suggestion and made the font bigger in your list.

I never said the students couldn't lynch whoever they wanted. I just wanted to remind them that the ghosts will make suggestions tomorrow if they wanted to wait and see what we thought.

[Mulan]

I thought you had Sunny off-limits, EK? Are you bending your own rules now?

[Ebenezer Kohl]

EK - thanks for the bigger font
No problem. :D

[Mulan]

Shall we turn this on EK and vote for him now?

UNVOTE: Gandalf
VOTE: Ebenezer Kohl

[snafu]

I thought you had Sunny off-limits, EK? Are you bending your own rules now?

EK doesn't have rules. He is a free spirit and just makes things up as he goes. This makes for much merriment and while sometimes be frustrating is never boring.

[Gandalf]

I see Sunny has three votes but I will not swing on the above three players.Three players? There appear to be four names. Is that three players plus your EC partner? :)
:swear: I haven't had coffee yet this morning! :D

This is fun. :lol:

Unvote: Avi
Vote: Gandalf

Unvote: Gandalf
Thanks
Vote: Sunny
Earth to Ebenezer: Sunny is also on your list of four.

Maybe this will help you. We'll get Cho Da next time.
Unvote: Cho Da
Vote: Traina

Now you can swing. :crazy:

[Ebenezer Kohl]

You say that, but then I notice that you used snafu's suggestion and made the font bigger in your list.
I fear snafu will beat me with the stupid stick from beyond the grave. Simple requests should be considered.

I never said the students couldn't lynch whoever they wanted. I just wanted to remind them that the ghosts will make suggestions tomorrow if they wanted to wait and see what we thought.
And your suggestion will be between the two highest vote getters. Nod your dead head so I know you understand.

I thought you had Sunny off-limits, EK? Are you bending your own rules now?
So is Gandalf and yes, as I am swinging to the will of the students without blocking out ghost input.

2 Ebenezer Kohl - Sunny
CubedBee - Gandalf
Will Durant - Sunny
Cho Da - Gandalf
J.T. - xxx
2 Avi - Gandalf
1 Ultimate Anyone - …
9 Gandalf - Traina
Kenshiro - Traina
Jables - Butters
Maine-iac - xxx
Asynchronous - Gandalf
Anonymouse - Avi
All Clear - Traina
jadzia - xxx
3 Traina - Gandalf
RedSoxFan - Gandalf
4 Sunny - Gandalf
BC - Gandalf
Kaput Shakur - Sunny
1 Butters - Gandalf
Macroman - Ebenezer Kohl
Werewolf - Sunny
Mulan - Ebenezer Kohl
thing - Ultimate Anyone

[Leela]

EK, thanks for your part in making this thread more fun today. Maybe we should lynch you so you can liven up the Ghost Forum as well.

[Mulan]

EK, thanks for your part in making this thread more fun today. Maybe we should lynch you so you can liven up the Ghost Forum as well.Here here!

[snafu]

:o :o :o

EK, thanks for your part in making this thread more fun today. Maybe we should lynch you so you can liven up the Ghost Forum as well.

Leela - I'm begging you, please no!!!!

[Mr. Penguin]

4:45 Friday Tally:

Gandalf 9
Sunny 4
Traina 3
EK 2
Avi 1
Butters 1
Ultimate Anyone 1

See you Monday!

[Ebenezer Kohl]

EK, thanks for your part in making this thread more fun today. Maybe we should lynch you so you can liven up the Ghost Forum as well.
"we"??? Come on now Leela, I'm making this very clear. Ghosts don't lynch students! Don't they have light bulbs in the afterlife to turn on over your head. All you can do is push up daisies.

[Mulan]

Will Durant and I are dancing happy dances that no one is currently voting for him or me!

:party:

[Leela]

EK, thanks for your part in making this thread more fun today. Maybe we should lynch you so you can liven up the Ghost Forum as well.
"we"??? Come on now Leela, I'm making this very clear. Ghosts don't lynch students! Don't they have light bulbs in the afterlife to turn on over your head. All you can do is push up daisies.

What?? I'm sorry I didn't hear you. I was watching your avatar dance around. He's such a cute, friendly looking thing. How did he ever end up with you? :wink:

[4sigma]

"we"??? Come on now Leela, I'm making this very clear. Ghosts don't lynch students!

Ghosts don't kill people. People kill people.

[Ebenezer Kohl]

He's such a cute, friendly looking thing. How did he ever end up with you? :wink:
That is Booh. Booh dances with a wand shooting sparks. TYC added the wand for me so my Booh would be unique. Booh is about having good fun. :D Yeah Booh is.

[Rocky]

"we"??? Come on now Leela, I'm making this very clear. Ghosts don't lynch students! Don't they have light bulbs in the afterlife to turn on over your head. All you can do is push up daisies.

Don't you remember what happened when 4 of "us" visited your cousin Ebenezer Scrooge? It can be very life changing for the living to have all those scary chain noises and lights flickering.

[question for 4sigma]we can really do that, right?[/end of question] :D

[Kaput Shakur]

He's such a cute, friendly looking thing. How did he ever end up with you? :wink:
That is Booh. Booh dances with a wand shooting sparks. TYC added the wand for me so my Booh would be unique. Booh is about having good fun. :D Yeah Booh is.

That isn't Dogbert?

[Rocky]

He's such a cute, friendly looking thing. How did he ever end up with you? :wink:
That is Booh. Booh dances with a wand shooting sparks. TYC added the wand for me so my Booh would be unique. Booh is about having good fun. :D Yeah Booh is.

The sparks look like bubbles.

Not Michael Jackson's monkey "bubbles", but the kind of toy that would entertain EC1 bubbles.

[4sigma]

Thursday 1:39 p.m. (http://actuary.ca/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=30397&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=1460)
Will Durant, Gandalf, Sunny, and Mulan should be off limits this round. In order to protect the slayer we should shuffle the potential persons to lynch each round. Don’t worry, Will (or Mulan), I’ll be voting for you next time.

Friday 5:22 a.m. (http://actuary.ca/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=30397&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=1516)Will Durant, Gandalf, Sunny, and Mulan should be off limits this round. In order to protect the slayer we should shuffle the potential persons to lynch each round. Don’t worry, Will (or Mulan), I’ll be voting for you next time.

I see Sunny has three votes but I will not swing on the above three players. The hubbub at present does alter active student voting strategy.

I want to swing my vote. Perhaps another vote for Butters? Perhaps 2 more votes for me? Perhaps you should attempt to work together to form voting blocks? Get to it. Time is fleeting.

Friday 10:54 a.m. (http://actuary.ca/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=30397&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=1632)This is fun. :lol:

Unvote: Avi
Vote: Gandalf

Friday 12:41 p.m. (http://actuary.ca/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=30397&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=1654)Unvote: Gandalf
Vote: Sunny

Anyone read "Lord of the Flies"? It's a great book.

[Leela]

It seems as if the "sheep" have found a new "shepherd" to follow.

[Ebenezer Kohl]

I thought you had Sunny off-limits, EK? Are you bending your own rules now?
So is Gandalf and yes, as I am swinging to the will of the students without blocking out ghost input.
Yes, I read "Lord of the Flies" and it was much more interesting than any of your posts. But what should I expect from someone who is dull and LIFELESS??? :shake:

It seems as if the "sheep" have found a new "shepherd" to follow.
I would thrice reject that crown. I have led and I have also followed. I will work in cooperation with the ghosts but I will not have the powerless dictate to the powerful.

[Ebenezer Kohl]

Unvote: Sunny
Vote: Traina

9 Gandalf - Traina
4 Traina - Gandalf
3 Sunny - Gandalf
2 Ebenezer Kohl - Traina
1 Avi - Gandalf
1 Butters - Gandalf
1 Ultimate Anyone - …

J.T. - xxx
jadzia - xxx
Maine-iac - xxx

CubedBee - Gandalf
Cho Da - Gandalf
Asynchronous - Gandalf
RedSoxFan - Gandalf
BC - Gandalf
Kenshiro - Traina
All Clear - Traina
Will Durant - Sunny
Werewolf - Sunny
Kaput Shakur - Sunny
Macroman - Ebenezer Kohl
Mulan - Ebenezer Kohl
Anonymouse - Avi
Jables - Butters
thing - Ultimate Anyone

[4sigma]

Yes, I read "Lord of the Flies" and it was much more interesting than any of your posts. But what should I expect from someone who is dull and LIFELESS??? :shake:

Hey, it's anything but lifeless in the afterlife. You're all invited to come experience it. :D :band1: :party:

[Will Durant]

Hey, it's anything but lifeless in the afterlife. You're all invited to come experience it.
We'd better nail an EC before too many more of us experience it.

[Macroman]

The ghost committee certainly has a lot of enemies.

First Kenshiro and EK, then KP and Gandalf hasn't been helping and now EK is just on a vendetta.

I for one have to say that the ghost involvement is a good idea. Those who undermine ghost involvement (except Karma) are highly suspicious of being the EC. I, for one, have to stand up and say ghost involvement is a good thing.

[Will Durant]

I for one have to say that the ghost involvement is a good idea. :blah: I, for one, have to stand up and say ghost involvement is a good thing.
I support the ghost committee as much as the next student, but can someone please remove Macroman's lips from their collective other-worldly butt cheeks?

Thanks,
Will "Rude & Hostile" Durant

[Macroman]

I for one have to say that the ghost involvement is a good idea. :blah: I, for one, have to stand up and say ghost involvement is a good thing.
I support the ghost committee as much as the next student, but can someone please remove Macroman's lips from their collective other-worldly butt cheeks?

Thanks,
Will "Rude &amp; Hostile" Durant

If I'm to do any butt-kissing, it'll have to be with Sunny! Doesn't mean I'll vote with her, however.

[Klaymen]

Unvote: Avi
Vote: Goodgulf. Sorry, I meant Gandalf.

LOL, it's easy to get my vote, just send me a PM and tell me who I should be voting for.

[Gandalf]

The ghost committee certainly has a lot of enemies.

First Kenshiro and EK, then KP and Gandalf hasn't been helping and now EK is just on a vendetta.

I for one have to say that the ghost involvement is a good idea. Those who undermine ghost involvement (except Karma) are highly suspicious of being the EC. I, for one, have to stand up and say ghost involvement is a good thing.
I hope you mean the KP-Gandalf incident hasn't helped. I remain firmly in favor of the ghost committee. Maybe they'll even save my ass.

Now that I can speak with little risk of being lynched in the next 5 minutes, let me remind everyone that we discussed two possible ways to give the students a bigger role:
1. Ghosts would propose their choice. We could, if we wish, hit someone else. We always had that power, but previously its use had been severely discouraged. The point of that was that we should hit someone else only if we think the ghost choice is a mistake. Ghosts can't vote, but they can think, and probably do have information not available to all (in particular, they know the slayer). To make decisions without their input might occasionally be right, but in the long run is losing strategy.
2. Ghosts propose two names. We hit one of them. Again, we have the power to hit elsewhere, but that would be severely discouraged. With two names, at least one should normally be acceptable to the us to hit, and we're sure of not hitting the slayer. That's the method we chose.

Now EK proposes that the ghosts must propose the two names with the highest student votes. Do we think EK is EC2 and understands the ramifications, or is he EC1 and is clueless to the implications? (Most likely neither; he's being contrarian.) In the first place, at the moment that would mean Sunny, with 4 votes. Suppose every single ghost would rather hit Cho Da. Sunny is the one more likely to be EC then? But more important, are we just supposed to forget completely about protecting the slayer? Should ghosts say it is fine to hit Sunny even if she is the Slayer? Or is the rule "Ghosts recommend the top 2 unless one is the slayer", so they propose Gandalf and Traina? I don't think so. We also need to protect the Slayer from EC2, who's a little tougher than EC1.

Let's stick with the agreed upon plan: Ghosts propose two names they think best, taking into account the public votes/suggestions. We hit one of them.

And if you want to lynch an elder statesman even if the ghosts don't suggest one, hit Cho Da, who should have been telling you this, but didn't.

[Gandalf]

I've read some more and think it is better to lynch Gandalf now. Some of what he has done is very suspicious. If he's innocent though, I think he will make a great ghost - so it's win-win no matter what.
OK, I follow the part about why it's a good idea to lynch me if I'm EC. But great ghost if I'm innocent? Does it matter what the ghosts think this game? No one except me seems concerned that the count is already at 10 without any opinion yet from the ghosts. If it reaches 12 before the ghosts express an opinion, another EK flip flop and it's over. Even at 10, you may give the ghosts a chance to express their opinion, and it may be over before you read and consider their opinion.

[Ultimate Anyone?]

Okay, I tried to sit on the sidelines, but I can't - why else would I be checking this now??

Vote: Sunny

[Ebenezer Kohl]

Now EK proposes that the ghosts must propose the two names with the highest student votes.No, ghost-lover, that is a misrepresentation, which has consistently been your pattern in this game. The ghost are to propose one name from the two with the highest student vote. They may propose this name at any time.
Let's stick with the agreed upon planAgreement between you and 4sigma doesn’t rule over free minds. Much like posting private PMs to the public thread, you don’t have the authority to say what agreements students have or have not made. You have overstepped your bounds or you are misrepresenting history.
Ghosts propose two names they think best, taking into account the public votes/suggestions. We hit one of them.
NO! Students propose two names we think best. Ghosts select one or they will be ignored.

I know one fact. The students with the bold vote will ultimately decide.

Unvote: Traina
Vote: Sunny

10 Gandalf - Traina
5 Sunny - Gandalf
3 Traina - Gandalf
2 Ebenezer Kohl - Sunny
1 Butters - Gandalf
1 Ultimate Anyone - Sunny

J.T. - xxx
jadzia - xxx
Maine-iac - xxx

Avi - Gandalf
CubedBee - Gandalf
Cho Da - Gandalf
Asynchronous - Gandalf
RedSoxFan - Gandalf
BC - Gandalf
Anonymouse - Gandalf
Will Durant - Sunny
Werewolf - Sunny
Kaput Shakur - Sunny
Kenshiro - Traina
All Clear - Traina
Macroman - Ebenezer Kohl
Mulan - Ebenezer Kohl
Jables - Butters
thing - Ultimate Anyone

[Sunny]

NO! Students propose two names we think best. Ghosts select one or they will be ignored.

Not necessarily. Don't pretend to speak for all of us EK.

We only know for sure those in the ghost forum are truly not EC. Everyone else is suspect.

Personally, I think Gandalf is actually a little defensive lately about his lynching, unlike what 4sigma and others who have been proven innocent did when they were about to be lynched--none of them tried nearly as hard and posted all these things to get people to think he's innocent. Even if Gandalf, in the worst situation, is the slayer, we can still have another slayer, so it's not that big a deal. At the same time, I as an active student have been suspecting Gandalf from the very beginning, so I'd like to make sure that he is not EC, and if he's not, he'll only make the ghost forum stronger.

Now of course I was pretty upset when people thought I was EC and posted a ton about that, but that's more the difference between my personality and Gandalf's. Gandalf doesn't strike me as someone who is clueless, compulsive, and a post count maniac--my being the famed Supersonic at conception isn't without merit. :D Gandalf, on the other hand, IMHO, is someone very calculating and much more calm and composed. It is very unlike him to fret and trying to change popular opinion as he is right now (did I even hear that he proposed himself to be lynched last time?).

I also think EK is sometimes difficult to work with, and can be heavy-handed at times. Although, I tend to think he is not EC as well. But who the hair knows. For all I know, both Gandalf and EK could be innocent (or they are EC1 and EC2 :o ). Maybe Mr. Penguin is the EC after all! :evil: Or, maybe it's J.T.? :tfh:

Ultimately, I disagree with EK and think that, speaking for myself, what the ghosts ultimately decide is much more important to me than what EK (or anyone else) thinks.

[Tim><]

I would just like to reiterate that it is my strongest feeling that Gandalf is EC. He started the whole rumor about me since I was the strongest in accusing me. A true innocent student would not protest being lynched so much, as his lynching would protect the slayer.

Gandalf is stringing you all along like marionettes, and you are all happy to listen. Get the wizard with the forked tongue. Restore my good name!!!

:evil:

[Rocky]

I would just like to reiterate that it is my strongest feeling that Gandalf is EC. He started the whole rumor about me since I was the strongest in accusing me. A true innocent student would not protest being lynched so much, as his lynching would protect the slayer.

Gandalf is stringing you all along like marionettes, and you are all happy to listen. Get the wizard with the forked tongue. Restore my good name!!!

:evil:

Not speaking to the guilt or innocence of anyone since the ghosts recommendation will come later today (really, there's a ton of information that's come through in the last day or two)...

But KP, spare us all the drama. Do you think that Gandalf = Mr. Penguin?

All of these accusations of him running the ghost forum and running the students thoughts and running the EC. Do you suggest that this guy has 35 different ID's playing this game? :shake:

[Gandalf]

Now EK proposes that the ghosts must propose the two names with the highest student votes.No, ghost-lover, that is a misrepresentation, which has consistently been your pattern in this game. The ghost are to propose one name from the two with the highest student vote. They may propose this name at any time.Sorry, misinterpretation of your most recent posts. Maybe some earlier ones would have made your intent clear; on the other hand your inconsistency is such that earlier ones may have no relationship to your current thinking, and even less to what you'll be thinking in an hour.
Leela has consistently said ghosts will suggest two. You have disagreed, but I interpreted your intent to be "the ghosts will suggest those two from the highest two", rather than "the ghosts will suggest one from the highest two". Since your intent was clearly to drastically rein in the ghosts' influence, I don't think my interpretation was unreasonable.

[Gandalf]

A true innocent student would not protest being lynched so much, as his lynching would protect the slayer.
Is it my imagination, or is someone who had access to the ghost forum making statements about who is or is not the slayer? Is this appropriate? Are these to be trusted any more than anything else from him? The ghosts have made it clear that their distrust of him is not limited to any PM from me.

If suggested by the ghosts, I will not protest so much. If the ghosts are not convinced I should be protected (as slayer or otherwise), or that there are much better choices, so be it.

[Sunny]

If the ghosts are not convinced I should be protected (as slayer or otherwise), or that there are much better choices, so be it.

I totally agree.

[Gandalf]

Personally, I think Gandalf is actually a little defensive lately about his lynching, unlike what 4sigma and others who have been proven innocent did when they were about to be lynched--none of them tried nearly as hard and posted all these things to get people to think he's innocent.Not comparable. 4Sigma was not lynched, and only volunteered to be lynched when we thought we needed a ghost leader. Had he been in danger of being lynched later without being suggested by the ghosts, he probably would have tried to derail it. How, we don't know. If he were the single suggestion by the ghosts, he would have followed the ghosts, as would I. And will, if the ghosts suggest only one name, mine, as EK proposes (he proposes one name, not mine in particular).

[Sunny]

Alright, as far as I'm concerned, it is the ghost forum and what's happening between Gandalf and Karma that are causing all the confusion for the living players here. I myself have always had doubts about Gandalf. And we living players of course have a mind of our own. Of course the living players can pm each other, and the ghosts can talk to each other, which is both happening I hope.

Anyways, it remains to be seen whether the ghost forum can clear things up within itself, so as to gain the trust of the living students as a whole. As with you Gandalf, we will know eventually if you are the EC or the slayer or what not. Perhaps you are the slayer, and maybe that's why you're so defensive. But the EC might murder you next anyways if that's the case. And if not, I would be mightily suspicious of you Gandalf even more after the EC's round. However, it is quite peculiar to me, if you are EC at all, how you've made such a fuss over KP and been so defensive about being lynched this round (you did volunteer to be lynched last round too didn't ya, I mean the rules changed a little but hey, so?)

Just for the fun of it, my golf shirt vote:

Ultimate Anyone? and Traina

[Kenshiro]

...
Leela has consistently said ghosts will suggest two. You have disagreed, but I interpreted your intent to be "the ghosts will suggest those two from the highest two", rather than "the ghosts will suggest one from the highest two". Since your intent was clearly to drastically rein in the ghosts' influence, I don't think my interpretation was unreasonable.

unvote: Traina
Vote: Gandalf

I think that is an unreasonable interpretation.

[Gandalf]

But the EC might murder you next anyways if that's the case. And if not, I would be mightily suspicious of you Gandalf even more after the EC's round.Maybe. Maybe it would be a good idea to see what happens if the EC gets a chance.
However, it is quite peculiar to me, if you are EC at all, how you've made such a fuss over KP and been so defensive about being lynched this round (you did volunteer to be lynched last round too didn't ya, I mean the rules changed a little but hey, so?)
Umm, you say my behavior is "peculiar if you are EC at all". Maybe you mean "peculiar if you are not EC"? Or are you trying to defend me?

As to volunteering to be lynched "last round", I volunteered to be lynched in round 1 of the previous game, because otherwise it was not clear there would be an active ghost. Macroman did that last game too. Once Hagbard (already dead) said he would be the active ghost, neither Macroman nor I wanted to be lynched or was. This game, with an EC_Slayer available to serve the function (there was not, in game 3), there was absolutely no need for a head ghost. While 4Sigma volunteered before realizing that (and maybe before SSH's involvement was clear; I don't remember), once it was clear he was not needed as head ghost he was no longer volunteering for the position. I never volunteered this game; I said from the beginning no volunteer was needed. No innocent student under the current rules should ever want to be lynched, though it may become clear that he should go with the flow.

No innocent student has volunteered to be lynched after round 1 in either game.

As to KP:
1. I thought he was EC and should be lynched. I gave reasons to the ghosts. There was no animosity about them, no suggestion that he should be lynched because he was after me. I gave other names, too, and for a time had someone else I told them was more likely EC than KP. Eventually I flipped back to KP as most likely, but the reasons that dropped KP to #2 then put him back to #1 were clearly stated to the ghosts. And both were clearly credible, even though KP turned out not to be EC.
2. As to last round (when it looked like the ghost forum would remain important): why on earth would I try to put KP into the ghost forum for personal reasons, when he would be a far greater danger to me there? Answer: I anticipated that, if he turned out not to be EC, he would see the ghost forum deliberations, see to what extent my thinking influenced them, and would be as objective as any other innocent student.
3. Then for subsequent developments. Everyone seems to be taking his version of the events. I got a PM. I reported it to the ghosts. When questioned by someone (Kenshiro?), I explained what I had done. Maybe I should I remained silent. (Maybe, as originally intended, I should have been silent all game. But it's supposed to be fun. :) ) KP's claims that I have done anything else at all are total baloney, supported by no one. The ghosts reported concerns other than the PM I reported. I had nothing to do with those. He was in the ghost forum for a while. He should know that. All the ghosts know that. They may be wondering if I framed him with the PM I claim to have received, but they surely know I am responsible for no other accusations about him at all.

All of which is a clear example of the ghosts having more facts than the living players. Which has some advantages for keeping the EC in the dark. If the ghosts choose not to suggest me, it may be because I am the slayer. It may be because they are convinced that I've correctly described all interactions between KP and me to them, and that I haven't otherwise attacked him (other than publicly, with public attacks motivated either by my personal knowledge described to them, or in response to various ghosts' public posts about KP).

[Gandalf]

...
Leela has consistently said ghosts will suggest two. You have disagreed, but I interpreted your intent to be "the ghosts will suggest those two from the highest two", rather than "the ghosts will suggest one from the highest two". Since your intent was clearly to drastically rein in the ghosts' influence, I don't think my interpretation was unreasonable.

unvote: Traina
Vote: Gandalf

I think that is an unreasonable interpretation.
Unreasonable? Maybe. Not what EK did intend, nor am I saying it's what his words best mean. It's the meaning I originally drew from them.
Suspicious? Why?

[Ebenezer Kohl]

I think that is an unreasonable interpretation.
Thank you, Kenshiro. Part of me thinks Gandalf doesn’t care enough for my ideas to consider them, thus that leads to his misinterpretations. If he is the Slayer, then I want a new Slayer. At the moment, he seems more likely than anyone else to be EC.

Unvote: Sunny
Vote: Gandalf

13 needed to lynch

12 Gandalf - Traina
4 Sunny - Gandalf
2 Traina - Gandalf
2 Ebenezer Kohl - Gandalf
1 Butters - Gandalf
1 Ultimate Anyone - Sunny

J.T. - xxx
jadzia - xxx
Maine-iac - xxx

Avi - Gandalf
CubedBee - Gandalf
Cho Da - Gandalf
Asynchronous - Gandalf
RedSoxFan - Gandalf
BC - Gandalf
Anonymouse - Gandalf
Kenshiro - Gandalf
Will Durant - Sunny
Werewolf - Sunny
Kaput Shakur - Sunny
All Clear - Traina
Macroman - Ebenezer Kohl
Mulan - Ebenezer Kohl
Jables - Butters
thing - Ultimate Anyone

Here is the axe. Any takers?

[Gandalf]

In my post two above, "Maybe I should I remained silent." should be "Maybe I should have remained silent." At this point, there's no reason to have people wondering about edits.

[Sunny]

Ok, I only care about one thing. Whether KP pm'd you as a ghost or as a living player. It has been conveyed to me by both of you that 1. You seem to indicate KP pm'd you as a ghost, 2. KP insists that he never pm'd you as a ghost.

That's the bottom line.

And if you are EC all your defenses are laughable at the end of the day. That's why I'm puzzled.

As with the students taking his side of the story. Well, it is entirely my doing. Although I am quitting posting to maintain my 3333 post count, I've been quite actively "pm-padding" because I chose to trust KP's story over yours.

As you yourself did indicate two things after I questioned you publicly in this thread: 1. This is a game, and players lie (although I don't, have not, and do not intend to in the future) and 2. you never explicitly spelled it out and denied it, in a complete sentence, that: KP pm'd me as a ghost.

So that is the reason for the latest development.

Power to the "pm-padding"!!!! :D

Also, it really showed me the fun of being a living student--guys, being able to pm just about anyone alive (granted 1. one must be smart of not including the EC and 2. one must be brave to risk one's own life doing this) is just so much fun!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D :D :D If the students believe you that is. ;)

[Gandalf]

KP PM'ed me as a ghost.

[Sunny]

Alright, so say if what I'm hearing is correct on every front and I choose to believe you, it boils down to just a he says/she says situation.

Blah. Karma, care to post your entire conspiration theory or your side? Methinks it's just a personal war between you two! :evil:

P.S. 4sigma and I pm and he responds too, we have even got on the chat once at 3/4am. So?

[Gandalf]

I will probably be off the RF for the rest of the afternoon, so don't lynch me for not responding. You've got plenty to work with already. I will be on again some time this evening.

[Gandalf]

Oops. Already something by Sunny, before my exit post registered, so I'll respond to that, too.

So what if you and 4Sigma PM. If not game-related, fine. He's PMed me in connection with Dictionary! Nothing game-related. If he sent me a game-related PM as a ghost, I would blow the whistle.

Chat? I think 4Sigma should not make game-related Chat at 3am/4am. If that's what you are saying, not good. If you are referring to the fact that I thought KP was EC due to Chat, yes. It was very clear to the ghosts that is why I suspected him; that I found him the most likely, but that it was certainly not compelling. Wrong suggestions, especially when explained, should not be evidence of guilt.

Bye now.

[4sigma]

For the record, I have been in chat with Sunny once since becoming a ghost. I did not say anything to her regarding the EC game, except for the fact that I could not talk to her about the EC game.

I have also sent PMs to a couple of players in the game, but these PMs have not told the recipient anything about the EC game. An example of a PM I have sent:

Thanks for the PM you sent me recently. While I cannot respond to any of the game-related content, I can say that I was unaware that you have also been known as (other ID). I do remember your activity under that ID. Thank you for this info.

-- 4σ

If these activities are not within the spirit of fair play, I will discontinue them, subject to the ruling of Mr. P.

[Kenshiro]

unvote: gandalf

Suspicious only because I haven't known you to make many mistakes. Still, I don't think it's in the student's best interests to lynch you at this time.

[Macroman]

The ghost committee certainly has a lot of enemies.

.....Gandalf hasn't been helping ......

I hope you mean the KP-Gandalf incident hasn't helped. I remain firmly in favor of the ghost committee. Maybe they'll even save my ass......

I don't think you've been as effective at diffusing the situation as I'd normally expect. I don't know if it's temporary incompetetance or an attempt to misdirect attention but either way it looks suspicious at a minimum.

I do hope the ghosts provide an acceptable alternate candidate.

[Sunny]

Nah, not really game related. It's all within the spirit of the game. Just a P.S., a minor point. 4sigma has never said anything really about the EC game. I was just complaining about it to him (more like whining). :D

I really don't know what's going on there between Gandalf and Karma, but I must say, c'mon you guys, are you all guys there?!?!? What about Leela? Some communication skills it seems to me are lacking over there on the other side!!!!!!!!!!!! Just don't let it spill over and disturb and confuse the living ones! :evil:

We're confused enough with all kinds of accusations flying without your help. :swear:

Yeah, Kentaro, I agree with ya.

Unvote: Gandalf.

[J.T.]

Ok....here goes my list. I have tried to make it through most of the thread. You guys have posted a lot of CRAP! Some of you post for no reason at all, and it makes it difficult for those of us who really do want to participate in the thread, but don't want to contribute to the madness. Half the time, I don't even know what to post, since the topics vary so quickly.

Here is my assessment of suspicions so far (I will be PM'ing my good thoughts shortly), in no particular order:

EK - Crazy man...he continues this uprising against the ghosts...swinging and such, but hey, it's his life. It makes him mildly suspicious, but I doubt he's EC....Misguided, perhaps.

Will--you voted in retaliation at least once, which I'm generally suspicious of (page 8), and on page 21ish you act like you know who the EC is, but you never really come out and suggest who these are....I don't like your game play, and you seem very ECish to me.

Cho Da - you are probably one of the highest on my list. In past games you have posted frequently, with strategy and the like. This game, you were one of the forefronters to start the uprise on the ghosts (page 29). Most of your votes early in rounds have just voted for someone, but gave no explanation of a vote. Some of your votes are weird in that you post a vote for someone, until someone else changes their vote (see page 27). I don't understand these, and your quietness is not normal.

Avi - another suspicious one in my case. This doesn't have anything to do with the witless prattle comment, so Avi, please don't be mad at me. It could be that you are playing a different strategy, but I feel off about you. A couple of your comments (page 28) rubbed me the wrong way.

Gandalf - Another weird one here, but I just believe that he is having fun and is trying a different strategy....I don't necessarily believe that he is EC.

Kenshiro - He doesn't post often, but most posts are a vote without explanation, or going against the ghosts selecting the vote. Although his vote for Mulan on page 49 is good strategy to me.

Asynchronous - hasn't been posting much, but neither have I, since I haven't had time to contribute.

Anonymouse - hasn't been posting much, and took the defensive when called on it (page 32), but not overly suspicious.

jadzia - posts a bit more frequently than I've seen on the rest of the board that I frequent...could be that she (I'm assuming...I apologize if I'm wrong) is really into the game as a student. Could be that she's EC....
On page 9, jadzia seems to post whenever her name is mentioned. Big lurker, small poster....has changed a bit since then.

RedSoxFan - Posting EXTREMELY infrequently. The few times I caught his posts seemed to be for votes, or for throwing suspicion off of Sunny (page 14)

Sunny - What to say here....lots of mistakes, and worthless chatting, but I don't know one way or the other....She seems to have dug a pretty big hole, and I'm a hard time judging one without biasing those early screw-ups.

Kaput Shakur - I don't know if he (assuming again) is friends with leela and jadzia, but he seems to focus on them...Not a lot to point to him, but suspicious to me nonetheless.

Mulan - A lot of mistakes on her part, and I would think that she would know better. I am curious why Will keeps taking up for her (page8) along with Cho Da (page 48). It could be that Mulan is the sleeper????

OK....so if you actually made it this far, I will post one more thing before my vote. Back on page 8, EC2 made a potential clue....he/she said that they are a dual-society candidate. It could be a lie, but he/she could be at least an associate with a MAAA, or someone who also has their EA. I haven't seen anything about it, so thought I would bring it up.

Vote: Cho Da

although I could be easily persuaded to vote for Avi.

[J.T.]

One more thing (besides post padding)...My internet access at home seems to be broken....they said that they would have it fixed 4 hours ago, but that hasn't happened yet, so I'm up here at work doing this, and may not be able to catch up on everything until Monday, but will try my best.

Thanks! (to follow TDA)

[Ebenezer Kohl]

JT, of Cho Da and Avi, I think Avi is much more likely. Consider changing your vote to start a swing to Avi.

Unvote: Gandalf
Vote: Avi

9 Gandalf - Traina
4 Sunny - …
2 Traina - Gandalf
2 Ebenezer Kohl - Avi
1 Butters - Gandalf
1 Ultimate Anyone - Sunny
1 Avi - Gandalf
1 Cho Da - Gandalf

jadzia - xxx
Maine-iac - xxx

CubedBee - Gandalf
Asynchronous - Gandalf
RedSoxFan - Gandalf
BC - Gandalf
Anonymouse - Gandalf
Will Durant - Sunny
Werewolf - Sunny
Kaput Shakur - Sunny
All Clear - Traina
Macroman - Ebenezer Kohl
Mulan - Ebenezer Kohl
Jables - Butters
J.T. - Cho Da
thing - Ultimate Anyone
Kenshiro - …

[Sunny]

Sunny - What to say here....lots of mistakes, and worthless chatting..


One of the reasons I am trying to be more disciplined with my posts. Stopping for now at 3333 would be a beginning. If I come back, hopefully every single post will be of the highest quality.

I am now officially giving Macroman my proxy and will pm him my votes from now on.

Thanks!

One last time.

DEATH TO THE EC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Macroman]

Thanks Sunny:

On behalf of Sunny: VOTE: Cho Da


and on behalf of myself:
UNVOTE: Ebenezer Kohl
VOTE: Cho Da

[J.T.]

JT, of Cho Da and Avi, I think Avi is much more likely. Consider changing your vote to start a swing to Avi.

No....it's my vote.... :P (We need a better sticking your tongue out emoticon.....)

p.s. A big thanks to macro for having faith....(and sunny, with the proxy).

BTW, I'm going to get lunch (finally) and going home (back to no internet)..... :crying:

[J.T.]

Oops, I forgot one thing: Can I get a stapler update? I now know who I want to vote for, but need to know who isn't taken....

Thanks!

[Ebenezer Kohl]

p.s. A big thanks to macro for having faith....(and sunny, with the proxy).Perhaps you overlooked Gandalf’s lackey smooching ghost posterior. I think his vote change has little to do with your thoughts.

Unvote: Avi
Vote: Sunny

9 Gandalf - Traina
5 Sunny - Cho Da
3 Cho Da - Gandalf
2 Traina - Gandalf
1 Ebenezer Kohl - Sunny
1 Butters - Gandalf
1 Ultimate Anyone - Sunny

jadzia - xxx
Maine-iac - xxx

Avi - Gandalf
CubedBee - Gandalf
Asynchronous - Gandalf
RedSoxFan - Gandalf
BC - Gandalf
Anonymouse - Gandalf
Will Durant - Sunny
Werewolf - Sunny
Kaput Shakur - Sunny
All Clear - Traina
Macroman - Cho Da
Mulan - Ebenezer Kohl
Jables - Butters
J.T. - Cho Da
thing - Ultimate Anyone
Kenshiro - …

[Tim><]

:shake:

[Mulan]

Let's lynch Ebenezer. I think he'll feel differently about the ghosts after he is one.

My runner up is Cho Da, followed by Will Durant. I'll change my vote to either of these to lynch.

[Gandalf]

Things are looking up (there wasn't much room for them to go down). I would hop on the Cho Da bandwagon, but I'm already on it.

Exiting again now; back to the defense later.

[Leela]

Gee, sorry I haven't been able to check in today. We just bought a house and will be working there for the next couple of weekends. So, I won't be around during the day on Saturdays and Sundays.

[Will Durant]

on page 21ish you act like you know who the EC is, but you never really come out and suggest who these are
I'm sorry; I was under the impression that I have been shouting Sunny and Mulan pretty vociferously all along. They're even my stapler pick even though I'm #2 with this choice. :duh:

[Will Durant]

We just bought a house
What does a ghost need a house for? :P

[Gandalf]

I would hop on the Cho Da bandwagon, but I'm already on it.
Oops. Very suspicious. I had been suggesting Cho Da all along this round, and initially voted for him this round (I think). To help lynch the EC,
Unvote: Traina
Vote: Cho Da

[Leela]

Here are how the players have voted:

Name - Round 1 vote - Round 2 - Round 3 - Round 4
4sigma - Oblomov
Ahow - Sunny
All Clear - Oblomov - snafu - karma police - Traina
Anonymouse - None - snafu - Gandalf - Avi / Gandalf
Asynchronous - Oblomov - snafu - none - Butters / Gandalf
Avi - None - Gandalf/snafu - karma police - Kaput Shakur / Butters / Gandalf
BC - 4sigma - Will Durant - Gandalf / karma police - Gandalf
Butters - None - Avi - Avi - Avi / Gandalf
Cho Da - Butters / Rocky / Sunny / snafu - snafu - Sunny / Ebenezer Kohl / Gandalf
CubedBee - 4sigma / Oblomov - Gandalf / snafu - Will Durant / Mulan / karma police - Avi / Gandalf
Ebenezer Kohl - Sunny / 4sigma / Oblomov - Will Durant / snafu - Will Durant / Mulan / Will Durant - Avi / Butters / Avi / Gandalf / Sunny / Traina / Sunny / Gandalf / Avi / Sunny
Gandalf - Oblomov - snafu - karma police - Cho Da / Traina / Cho Da
Hagbard Celine - Sunny / Oblomov - none - none
J.T. - snafu / Oblomov - snafu - karma police - Cho Da
Jables - Jables / Oblomov - snafu - karma police
jadzia - 4sigma / Oblomov - snafu - none
Kaput Shakur - 4sigma / Oblomov - Gandalf / snafu - Will Durant / Mulan
karma police - Gandalf / Sunny / Oblomov - Sunny / Gandalf - Gandalf / karma police
Kenshiro - Mulan / Oblomov - Avi - Mulan - Avi / Traina / Gandalf
Leela - 4sigma / Oblomov
Macroman - None - snafu - karma police - Ebenezer Kohl / Cho Da
Maine-iac - Sunny - snafu - Mulan
Mulan - Kenshiro / Sunny / Cho Da / Oblomov - Will Durant / snafu - Will Durant / karma police - Will Durant / Sunny / Will Durant / Butters / Gandalf / Ebenezer Kohl
Oblomov - None
RedSoxFan - 4sigma - snafu - karma police
Rocky - 4sigma / Sunny - none - karma police
snafu - Gandalf / Sunny / 4sigma / Oblomov - snafu
stu - None
Sunny - Mulan / karma police / 4sigma / Oblomov - Gandalf / snafu - Will Durant / Mulan / karma police - Avi / Sunny / Gandalf / Will Durant / Gandalf / Cho Da
Super Silver Haze
thing - Gandalf / 4sigma - Avi - Ultimate Anyone - Ultimate Anyone
Traina - Sunny - none - none - werewolf / Butters / Gandalf
Ultimate Anyone - Sunny / Oblomov - none - Mulan - Butters / Sunny / Gandalf / Sunny
Werewolf - 4sigma - snafu - Cho Da / karma police - Sunny
Will Durant - Kenshiro / Sunny - Mulan / snafu - Sunny - Sunny

Feel free to correct me if I made some mistakes !!!

[Gandalf]

You were right when you started composing your list, I bet, but in the post above yours I changed my vote back to Cho Da.

[Leela]

Here are the orange votes so far (in alphabetically order)

Name - Vote
4Sigma - Rocky & urysohn - karma police & snafu
Ahow - Mulan & Sunny
All Clear - Kaput Shakur & Mulan
Anonymouse - None
Asynchronous - None
Avi - BC & Maine-iac - BC & Kaput Shakur - BC & Maine-iac - BC & Kaput Shakur
BC - Cho Da & Mulan - Cho Da & Gandalf
Butters - Avi & thing
Cho Da - BC & Sunny
CubedBee - Gandalf & Kaput Shakur - Gandalf & Will Durant
Ebenezer Kohl - Sunny & Will Durant
Gandalf - 42 & urysohn karma police & urysohn
Hagbard Celine - Sunny & Rocky
J.T. - None
Jables - jadzia & Ultimate Anyone
jadzia - Kaput Shakur & Sunny
Kaput Shakur - jadzia & Leela - jadzia & Sunny (2)
karma police - Gandalf & Sunny
Kenshiro - Mulan & Rocky Avi & Mulan
Leela - J.T. & Sunny
Macroman - Gandalf & Rocky
Maine-iac - Ahow & Mulan
Mulan - Cho Da & Will Durant
Oblomov - None
RedSoxFan - Sunny & Ultimate Anyone
Rocky - CubedBee & Jables
Snafu - jadzia & Sunny - jadzia & Rocky
stu - None
Sunny - karma police & snafu - Gandalf & karma police - karma police & Rocky - Avi & Gandalf
Super Silver Haze - Mulan & snafu - 4sigma & Gandalf - Gandalf & Traina
thing - Sunny & Ultimate Anyone (2)
Traina - Kenshiro & Werewolf
Ultimate Anyone - stu & Sunny - Anonymouse & Sunny
Werewolf - snafu & Sunny - Cho Da & Sunny
Will Durant - Mulan & Sunny (2)

*The (2) after thing's vote means he was the second player to vote for Sunny & Ultimate Anyone

[Leela]

You were right when you started composing your list, I bet, but in the post above yours I changed by vote back to Cho Da.

Fixed. Thanks!

[J.T.]

Whooooooooo! Internet is working again!!!!

Stapler Vote: Cho Da and Kenshiro

[Leela]

I received a few pms while I was gone today. They have been shared with the rest of the ghosts.

[Rocky]

We just bought a house
What does a ghost need a house for? :P

to haunt, of course... :roll:

[Avi]

Here are the orange votes so far (in alphabetically order)

Name - Vote

Avi - BC & Maine-iac - BC & Kaput Shakur - BC & Maine-iac

Isn't my current choice BC and Kaput?

[Cho Da]

Gandalf and Mulan
Interesting spin from Gandalf. He was at the brink, and his EC buddy bailed him out.
Wrt to the comment on my odd snafu/Sunny votes. I received a pm early from snafu saying he was convinced of Sunny and another to be EC. He wouldn't name the other, but then wouldn't vote to lynch Sunny, thus my belief he was jerking me around. If in fact you do follow Gandalf's lead, you will find that I am but an overworked student with too many other things going on at work to post like I used to. Anyway, time to go home now.

[J.T.]

Wrt to the comment on my odd snafu/Sunny votes. I received a pm early from snafu saying he was convinced of Sunny and another to be EC. He wouldn't name the other, but then wouldn't vote to lynch Sunny, thus my belief he was jerking me around. If in fact you do follow Gandalf's lead, you will find that I am but an overworked student with too many other things going on at work to post like I used to. Anyway, time to go home now.

Thanks for giving a reason for the odd votes. That at least makes sense, but who knows at this point what is the truth? I understand that you may be overworked, and am sorry that you are at work now.

BTW, I'm not following Gandalf's lead. As I said, he was suspicious in my eyes too, but I make my own choices, even if they are to follow the ghosts most days. I should, at least for a week, be able to follow the game fairly closely. This doesn't mean that I will post every 5 seconds, but I should check in a couple times a day. Doesn't mean I will respond, but I will if I need to contribute something.

[Leela]

Here are the orange votes so far (in alphabetically order)

Name - Vote

Avi - BC & Maine-iac - BC & Kaput Shakur - BC & Maine-iac

Isn't my current choice BC and Kaput?


I believe so. This has been fixed. Thanks!

[cubedbee]

Here are how the players have voted:

Name - Round 1 vote - Round 2 - Round 3 - Round 4
4sigma - Oblomov
Ahow - Sunny
All Clear - Oblomov - snafu - karma police - Traina
Anonymouse - None - snafu - Gandalf - Avi / Gandalf
Asynchronous - Oblomov - snafu - none - Butters / Gandalf
Avi - None - Gandalf/snafu - karma police - Kaput Shakur / Butters / Gandalf
BC - 4sigma - Will Durant - Gandalf / karma police - Gandalf
Butters - None - Avi - Avi - Avi / Gandalf
Cho Da - Butters / Rocky / Sunny / snafu - snafu - Sunny / Ebenezer Kohl / Gandalf
CubedBee - 4sigma / Oblomov - Gandalf / snafu - Will Durant / Mulan / karma police - Sunny / Ebenezer Kohl / Gandalf
Ebenezer Kohl - Sunny / 4sigma / Oblomov - Will Durant / snafu - Will Durant / Mulan / Will Durant - Avi / Butters / Avi / Gandalf / Sunny / Traina / Sunny / Gandalf / Avi / Sunny
Gandalf - Oblomov - snafu - karma police - Cho Da / Traina / Cho Da
Hagbard Celine - Sunny / Oblomov - none - none
J.T. - snafu / Oblomov - snafu - karma police - Cho Da
Jables - Jables / Oblomov - snafu - karma police
jadzia - 4sigma / Oblomov - snafu - none
Kaput Shakur - 4sigma / Oblomov - Gandalf / snafu - Will Durant / Mulan
karma police - Gandalf / Sunny / Oblomov - Sunny / Gandalf - Gandalf / karma police
Kenshiro - Mulan / Oblomov - Avi - Mulan - Avi / Traina / Gandalf
Leela - 4sigma / Oblomov
Macroman - None - snafu - karma police - Ebenezer Kohl / Cho Da
Maine-iac - Sunny - snafu - Mulan
Mulan - Kenshiro / Sunny / Cho Da / Oblomov - Will Durant / snafu - Will Durant / karma police - Will Durant / Sunny / Will Durant / Butters / Gandalf / Ebenezer Kohl
Oblomov - None
RedSoxFan - 4sigma - snafu - karma police
Rocky - 4sigma / Sunny - none - karma police
snafu - Gandalf / Sunny / 4sigma / Oblomov - snafu
stu - None
Sunny - Mulan / karma police / 4sigma / Oblomov - Gandalf / snafu - Will Durant / Mulan / karma police - Avi / Sunny / Gandalf / Will Durant / Gandalf / Cho Da
Super Silver Haze
thing - Gandalf / 4sigma - Avi - Ultimate Anyone - Ultimate Anyone
Traina - Sunny - none - none - werewolf / Butters / Gandalf
Ultimate Anyone - Sunny / Oblomov - none - Mulan - Butters / Sunny / Gandalf / Sunny
Werewolf - 4sigma - snafu - Cho Da / karma police - Sunny
Will Durant - Kenshiro / Sunny - Mulan / snafu - Sunny - Sunny

Feel free to correct me if I made some mistakes !!!

I don't recall voting for either Sunny or EK this round. I believe I started with Avi and switched to Gandalf.

[Leela]

I don't recall voting for either Sunny or EK this round. I believe I started with Avi and switched to Gandalf.

Correct. Fixed. Thanks!

It's been a long day. Sorry for all the mistakes.

[Leela]

Thoughts on 047890 and 208761? Please send them to me and 4sigma.

[Tim><]

224008 = 0

[4sigma]

The ghosts have kept pretty quiet over the last couple of days, in deference to the desire of the students to be less influenced by the dead. However, I think a few things bear mentioning at this point. At the moment I am speaking for myself and not necessarily as a representative of the collective agreement of the ghosts:

1) Apologies for not being in better communication recently regarding the entire KP/Gandalf brouhaha. Personally my excuse is that I had a rather urgent project come up at work on Friday, entertained out-of-town relatives on Friday night, and have had a busy weekend booked until now.

Suffice it to say that we have received several PMs from KP and Gandalf as well as several PMs regarding KP and Gandalf. The upshot of this is that I am still mistrustful of KP, and believe that he may be attempting to help the EC. It is possible that I am mistaken, but KP has provided what I consider to be insufficient explanation of his coded post on page 58. Sorry I was not clearer about this earlier -- I had thought it was obvious but apparently it escaped general notice. I am also not certain what to make of his post above, though I have not had the opportunity to hear what KP has to say for himself about it yet. I believe I do speak collectively for the ghosts on this point.

Regarding Gandalf, my opinion is that he has been attempting to assist the ghosts in getting KP disciplined. The bad blood between himself and KP has been evident even before the recent incident. Perhaps Gandalf feels it is important to discredit KP to the ghosts. He may have been misguided in his attempts to do so. But our mistrust of KP has its genesis in the actions of KP, not in the actions of Gandalf. Having reviewed the entirety of all PMs on this subject as well as all public utterances, I personally do not find Gandalf's actions regarding KP's treason to be indicative of either his guilt or innocence.

2) It is generally poor strategy to nominate the same people for lynching over and over. EK mentioned this in his first "swinging" post. He seems to change his mind more often than his underwear, so I'm not sure if he still agrees with it. Perhaps if he disagrees at the moment, he will agree with it again soon.

Speaking as one who changes my underwear more often than I change my mind, the strategy of nominating different people from round to round is a good one. I would therefore recommend more emphasis on new names in future rounds.

For this round, however, alea iacta est. The die is fairly well cast. The ghosts are in their final consultations and will provide nominees shortly based on the distribution of votes combined with our internal knowledge.

Also, I see that my current stapler vote is for 2 dead people. Very suspicious. I guess I had better change it to thing & Werewolf

[4sigma]

Thanks again for assisting in the form of the recent shopping trip. The chairs and the desks furnish our central haunt beautifully. I am so glad that you got them -- both are absolutely perfect.

In my free time, I am thinking that it might be fun to go and haunt a few deserted buildings. The South and Midwest U.S. are my preferred locations. These are just my personal inclinations, and the other ghosts may not agree with me in this regard. However, I would appreciate if you could look into the real estate in the following neighborhoods:

Allenhurst, GA 31301-6915
Bellefontaine, MS 39737-5583
Clyde, OH 43410-6329
Driftwood, PA 15832-6451
Ft Myers, FL 33916-7509
Granville, WV 26534-7699
Great Cacapon, WV 25422-6401
Hutchinson, PA 15640-5709
Mantachee, MS 38855-5824
Naples, FL 34119-7227
Saratoga, NC 27873-7613
St. Petersburg, FL 33741-7359

I have included a few locations that may not be entirely suitable, to deter potential squatters. To the extent that any zoning inquiries are called for, I would prefer that they be held in public rather than behind closed doors.

There may have been some confusion about the ghosts' current budgetary restrictions. I will have to check with Leela and see if we are fully in agreement or not. As I understand it, we are prepared to spend a minimum of $152,946 and a maximum of $314,159 on an initial offer, but are prepared to go as high as $345,678 in order to cover closing costs.

[Ebenezer Kohl]

2) It is generally poor strategy to nominate the same people for lynching over and over. EK mentioned this in his first "swinging" post. He seems to change his mind more often than his underwear, so I'm not sure if he still agrees with it. Perhaps if he disagrees at the moment, he will agree with it again soon.
It is poor strategy to nominate the same people over and over. Out of respect for the ghosts, I wanted to avoid lynching Gandalf, Sunny, Will Durant, and Mulan this round. But let’s not kid a kidder here, these people weren’t nominees respected by the ghosts last round. If they were, one of them would have been lynched. Instead the ghosts selected the person Gandalf desired. Gandalf’s lackey, Macroman, was a late vote just prior to ghost selection so I highly doubt there was ghost discussion of this second vote after it was cast. In fact, timing makes it seem almost like Macroman knew (Page 50) the ghost selection before Leela made the announcement.
The ghosts are in their final consultations and will provide nominees shortly based on the distribution of votes combined with our internal knowledge.
No, the ghosts will provide either Gandalf or Sunny for lynching. Otherwise active students are wasting our time providing nominees to the ghosts.

9 Gandalf - Cho Da
5 Sunny - Cho Da
4 Cho Da - Gandalf
1 Traina - Gandalf
1 Ebenezer Kohl - Sunny
1 Butters - Gandalf
1 Ultimate Anyone - Sunny

jadzia - xxx
Maine-iac - xxx

Avi - Gandalf
CubedBee - Gandalf
Asynchronous - Gandalf
RedSoxFan - Gandalf
BC - Gandalf
Anonymouse - Gandalf
Will Durant - Sunny
Werewolf - Sunny
Kaput Shakur - Sunny
Macroman - Cho Da
J.T. - Cho Da
All Clear - Traina
Mulan - Ebenezer Kohl
Jables - Butters
thing - Ultimate Anyone
Kenshiro - …

Super Silver Haze - Slain by EC - Innocent Student
Leela - Slain by EC - Innocent Student
4sigma - Slain by Gandalf - Innocent Student
Rocky - Slain by EC - Innocent Student

Oblomov - Lynched by (All Clear) - Innocent Student
snafu - Lynched by (Cho Da) - Innocent Student
karma police - Lynched by (Gandalf and Macroman) - Innocent Student

Ahow - Staked by Slayer - Innocent Student
stu - Staked by Slayer - Innocent Student
Hagbard Celine - Staked by Slayer - Innocent Student

[Tim><]

:clap:

[Rocky]

I think that it's been stated before, but I want to reiterate that PM's regarding guilt and innocence should be sent to both EC_Slayer and a ghost. This helps our Slayer keep track of student sentiment. Plus, the Slayer's PM box has started to get cobwebs on it since my demise! :wink:

Also, please note at the beginning of any PM that you send to the Slayer and the ghosts everyone that you are sending it to. This will keep the Slayer from sending duplicate PM's to the ghost forum if you've already sent it to a ghost.

[Rocky]

Changing my stapler vote to werewolf & Cho Da

[Macroman]

2) It is generally poor strategy to nominate the same people for lynching over and over. EK mentioned this in his first "swinging" post. He seems to change his mind more often than his underwear, so I'm not sure if he still agrees with it. Perhaps if he disagrees at the moment, he will agree with it again soon.
It is poor strategy to nominate the same people over and over. .....If they were, one of them would have been lynched. Instead the ghosts selected the person Gandalf desired. Gandalf’s lackey, Macroman, was a late vote just prior to ghost selection so I highly doubt there was ghost discussion of this second vote after it was cast. In fact, timing makes it seem almost like Macroman knew (Page 50) the ghost selection before Leela made the announcement.
The ghosts are in their final consultations and will provide nominees shortly based on the distribution of votes combined with our internal knowledge.
No, the ghosts will provide either Gandalf or Sunny for lynching. Otherwise active students are wasting our time providing nominees to the ghosts.
....

Trying to limit the ghost choice to only the two highest vote getters seems highly suspicious to me. If one name comes up repeatedly yet is not chosen that individual is fingered with a high probability as being the slayer. That's the one individual the EC wants to identify.

I respect Gandalf's opinion and want to keep him in the game, at least a while longer. I'm not his Lackey. On the KP vote, I was waiting for the ghost choice and just gave up waiting and decided to go to bed. It is coincidence that we chose the same candidate. The fact that Gandalf had singled out KP probably had some influence, but the only discussion we have had were in the forum and there was very little or nothing about KP in my posts until I decided to vote for him. I believe if you'll check the vote history that Gandalf was voting for Traina at the time I switched to Cho Da.

Why are you trying to protect Cho Da, EK?

[Ebenezer Kohl]

I think that it's been stated before, but I want to reiterate that PM's regarding guilt and innocence should be sent to both EC_Slayer and a ghost.
It has been demonstrated that the Ghost Forum isn’t secure. You’d have to be a codknocker to trust the Ghost Forum with proofs of innocence.

Trying to limit the ghost choice to only the two highest vote getters seems highly suspicious to me. If one name comes up repeatedly yet is not chosen that individual is fingered with a high probability as being the slayer. That's the one individual the EC wants to identify.That is why I do endorse alternating nominees each time, but they aren’t nominees if the ghost committee follows the whim of one EC.

I respect Gandalf's opinion and want to keep him in the game, at least a while longer. I'm not his Lackey. On the KP vote, I was waiting for the ghost choice and just gave up waiting and decided to go to bed. It is coincidence that we chose the same candidate. The fact that Gandalf had singled out KP probably had some influence, but the only discussion we have had were in the forum and there was very little or nothing about KP in my posts until I decided to vote for him.
Yes, Gandalf singled out an innocent student. It had nothing to do with the chat with Sunny as I did PM Gandalf and indicated Sunny didn’t even believe it was KP. It had nothing to do with the Slayer denial as there is a new slayer.

I believe if you'll check the vote history that Gandalf was voting for Traina at the time I switched to Cho Da.
Yes, and Gandalf made it clear that he wanted Cho Da lynched this round and only the attempt to save his neck altered his vote.

Why are you trying to protect Cho Da, EK?
Absolutely. I have the opportunity to change my vote from Sunny to Cho Da to put him in the top two. Heck, I could vote for the real EC, Gandalf, and have a tie for Sunny and Cho Da. However, for reasons both Gandalf and I understand, Cho Da’s action have been consistent with an innocent student this game. Gandalf doesn’t have cause to target Cho Da.

[jadzia]

Wow ! A lot happened since I was away !

Although I've still have some trouble putting a the new informations in my little brain, I'll vote for now :

Vote : Cho da