BtPotEC Ghost Forum: Suspect for Round 7

[snafu]

OK, going on the four names to suggest. Who do we want to throw out to start the discourse?

Suggest: Mulan, Will Durant, Kaput Shakur, and Werewolf

But I'm not really tied to any of those. Just trying to start the discourse on starting the discourse :D

[Leela]

Those names are fine with me. I wouldn't mind throwing in EK.

[4sigma]

It will be interesting to see who EC takes out this round. I think the most obviously innocent student is EK, but he's been so disruptive to our efforts to hit EC that EC may want to keep him around for a bit. Perhaps they will bite on our efforts to "protect" Anonymouse, combined with the info KP fed them?

Since we nominated Werewolf for the last 2 rounds, I think we have to give that name a rest this time around. Of the remaining 3 names, the only one I would consider lynching at the moment is Kaput Shakur. Remember, we are "protecting" Will Durant, per the KP hoax. But I suppose it's fine to throw him out for discussion and then "protect" him again.

I don't think we want to throw in EK just yet. Let's get him on board with the strategy first.

I think we may want to throw in at least one of the quiet types. How about Maine-iac?

Suggest: Maine-iac, Will Durant, Kaput Shakur

[Avi]

Only 3 names, we can surprise them with the fourth if we wish.

Maine-iac: Preternaturally quiet.

Kaput Shakur: On the possibility that he is a pseudonym.

EK: Maybe pulling the wool over everyones eyes.

(Surprise Lynch pick if necessary - Werewolf)

[Gandalf]

Kaput Shakur - political

EK - has caused us to lynch the wrong people, without fully explaining his reasoning

Werewolf - political

type, not a specific name - someone quiet. Without focusing on any specific name, how likely do they think it is that EC2 or the sleeper is lying very low? Why or why not?

If we suggest EK, we need to be prepared for the possibility they will rank him #1, and I don't think we should kill him now. It would look very strange not to suggest him.

[4sigma]

I agree that that there is a strong incentive to suggest EK. However, I think that it should rarely be our strategy to include more than 1 person that we are unwilling to lynch. Particularly for the first round. The idea being that if we nominate 2 people that we're not willing to hit, and the students seem to think that those are the 2 best candidates, this will detract from the credibility of the system. I don't think we want to let that happen in the first round.

While I would love to see Werewolf hit (=4σ's stapler ticket), I still think it is time to get some fresh blood. We've got lots of info on Werewolf. I think we should take the opportunity to fish info on some new people, perhaps Traina or RedSoxFan. Note that we don't officially know that RSF isn't the slayer.

[Avi]

New people.

Mainiac, BC, Ultimate Anyone.

[Gandalf]

If we want a new name, Jables. Yes, he's my stapler pick, but he's also the #1 favorite to have opened the PM to EC2. He's known to have been on the RF when it was opened, and known not to have posted while it was sitting unopened.

[4sigma]

I do like getting a couple of the quiet ones in play. How about Maine-iac, Kaput Shakur, Will Durant, and Ultimate Anyone? I think Kaput Shakur qualifies as fresh meat, since we haven't officially named him as a suspect before. We don't officially know that Ulitmate Anyone isn't the slayer, but I don't think it's possible, given UA's early post saying they didn't have very much time to devote to this game.

I think it is likely that a bandwagon might begin to develop for Will Durant and we could step in and stop it, giving credence to the KP hoax.

I'm willing to give Jables a look, though I think lightning has probably not struck twice.

[Gandalf]

I'm OK with Maine-iac and Ultimate, though I would still prefer they discuss the general principle of quiet students rather than specifics. If we go with Maine-iac and Ultimate, the reason is presumably that they are quiet, so we could ask for discussion about the general theory that EC are lying low as well as those two particular possibilities.

[Avi]

I'm willing to give Jables a look, though I think lightning has probably not struck twice. Tell that to B³ :P

[4sigma]

Well, I think that between us, KP, EK and B^3, we've now created sufficient confusion out there that nobody has a clue how we should name someone for lynching this round.

I do think that since KP has nominated Will Durant to advance the KP gambit, we can nominate Will Durant now. Jables has just made his way onto the radar, so perhaps it is appropriate to have a discussion of him now, though I don't particularly want to lynch him. I could see including him along with 2 other people we'd be willing to hit, such as Kaput Shakur and Maine-iac..

[Gandalf]

What about my variation of EK's scheme? Like his, except no rolling off. So ghosts don't have to act quickly, but they will nominate one of the living students choices. (We should specify they must give us at least three choices, as they claim they would under the rolling method.) It should provoke discussion, as it will be very clear who is in danger.

[4sigma]

My only concern is if the students will be able to collectively provide us with 3 nominees without piling onto the nearest bandwagon. Isn't there some way for the students to recommend 3 names without risking nearly getting someone lynched?

What exactly was the matter with red votes? :roll:

[Gandalf]

Using red votes for it would be fine. The key is to let the students identify the targets so that the targets know their peril, then we choose. Also, note that Mr. P is sped up the deadlines, I think. 48 hours? 60 hours? or are those effective at some future time?

[Sunny]

New people.

Mainiac, BC, Ultimate Anyone.

Good picks. I suspect all these three. Looks like I should update my summary to clarify why...

[snafu]

Whatever process we are going to go with, we should let the students know soon and in very specific detail.

So what do we do
Ghosts Suggest 3
EK's Swing Vote Ghosts Choose from Top-2 at Anytime
EK / Gandalf Modified Swingvote Ghosts Choose from Anyone Currently Getting Votes

[Gandalf]

#3 is not my proposal, nor is it close to EK's.

#3 should be: ghosts anytime choose 1 name from those who ever reached +6 votes this round, or eventually from among the top 3 if fewer than 3 reached +6. Very close to EK's, except that unvotes (after 6 was reached) leave a person subject to nomination. Maybe the threshhold should be +5 instead of +6.

[Leela]

I say we go with 1 since we just explained it to the students. Then, after the lynching, we can present the three options and let them decide. We could talk to Mr. P about if he would allow us to set up a poll. I don't see why he wouldn't as long as it's in the games forum. We could even put a link to it in the game thread.

[Gandalf]

I don't like #1 at all as things have developed. We should indicate a willingness to work with the students. I think #3 does that. If not, then accept EK's with the modification that we can also hit whatever person had the highest vote total (before unvotes) among those not in the top 2.

I.e., if we pass on people hoping to get someone better, we still end up with three choices.

[Leela]

Have any of the students, besides EK, said that they don't like 1? We have to remember that just because EK is the loudest doesn't mean he represents the voice of all the students. I, for one, am tired of trying to please him and changing all of our strategies to work with him when he doesn't even acknowledge that's what we're doing. We need to find out what all of the students, not just EK want from us. But I don't think we will be able to determine that in time to implement their thoughts this round. I think we're giving into EK too much. Just like the ghosts shouldn't have too much power, one living student shouldn't have too much power either. And where does he come off saying that living students have a better idea of who the EC are than the ghosts? :swear:


I really believe that we need to rethink the EK is probably innocent line of reasoning. Why couldn't he be EC? He has us eating out of the palm of his hand. We don't want to lynch him for fear that it will look bad. Seems like a good strategy for EC to have.

[snafu]

I don't like #1 at all as things have developed. We should indicate a willingness to work with the students. I think #3 does that. If not, then accept EK's with the modification that we can also hit whatever person had the highest vote total (before unvotes) among those not in the top 2.

I.e., if we pass on people hoping to get someone better, we still end up with three choices.

I'll go with what Gandalf is suggesting under the willingness to work with the students. If EK objects, however, I think it needs to be strongly put forth that this is how the ghosts will respond. The students can react in any way they want. There should also be a strong warning from any ghost available if the votes get too close to a real lynching.

[Kenshiro]

I very strongly disagree with #1. Ignoring the "working with EK" issue, I just don't think we want to confirm that many students as non-slayers. The EC hasn't taken advantage of it so far, but now that one EC is gone, we really want to protect the slayer so we shouldn't give so many clues each round.

I was really confused by the EC killing Gandalf and Sunny, but, in retrospect, I would guess that the EC doubted the Karma Police ruse from the start. I don't think we can trust the EC to continue to kill confirmed non-slayers in the future.

[Gandalf]

#1 may have been misunderstood. We would present names for discussion only. Such names might include the slayer. Some of us wanted to make that very, very clear. Others prevailed.

I still don't like #1 for this round.

[Leela]

We can go with Gandalf's suggestion. I just want to go on record saying that I think we shouldn't be trying to please EK. We should work on finding out what the majority of students want us to do.

[Gandalf]

OK if I say that publicly now?

[Sunny]

I just want to go on record saying that I think we shouldn't be trying to please EK. We should work on finding out what the majority of students want us to do.

I totally agree.

I also wouldn't suggest EK. I think EC would finish him off anyways, if we keep leaving him alone, and we don't want to lose our turn to get the EC.

[snafu]

I just want to go on record saying that I think we shouldn't be trying to please EK. We should work on finding out what the majority of students want us to do.

I totally agree.

I also wouldn't suggest EK. I think EC would finish him off anyways, if we keep leaving him alone, and we don't want to lose our turn to get the EC.

As much as I would like to emotionally lynch the hell out of EK, Sunny has a good point. There are several reasons for leaving EK alive at this point. For reference, I'll list them
I truely think he is not EC2. Maybe the sleeper but he does not fit the EC2 profile nor are his actions consistent with being one of the original EC.
I also think the EC will eventually get him and waste a turn doing so. EC has to be asking themselves, why do the ghosts keep letting this PITA live
Lynching him won't make him shut up. It would only give him more ammunition because we would have lynched yet another innocent student.

I don't think we should suggest EK. As it is we may even have to protect him this turn. How's that for irony. But still a good strategic play to hopefully get the EC to waste another turn.

[Avi]

I really believe that we need to rethink the EK is probably innocent line of reasoning. Why couldn't he be EC? He has us eating out of the palm of his hand. We don't want to lynch him for fear that it will look bad. Seems like a good strategy for EC to have.

Notice his responses to my pushing him in the thread have basically been of the "you're cluless" type without much real substance.

And I do not but for a minute that he feels his strategy isn't being applied by the students. My hanging corpse is proof positive of the opposite.

Lynch EK, EC or at best EC-sympathizer!

[Gandalf]

Here is what I want to say about strategy for this round. We want discussion in the public thread. Is this OK?
OK, here's how this round is going to work. The ghosts want to work with the living students. EK's strategy without any modification is unworkable. Neither he nor anyone else in the public thread has commented on my proposed modification. This is much closer to his than to mine.

The ghosts are very much in favor of more discussion. We like the idea of letting people know they are at high risk, rather than surprising them. We do not like the idea of a window of opportunity to hit someone, so that if we wait in the hope of getting a better target we may let an OK target go by, maybe ending up with poor targets. If that is what the students as a whole want, we can live with it. Not knowing what the students as a whole want, we will live with it this round.

Our only insistence is that at some time (probably 6 pm eastern time Saturday) we have three (or more) targets to choose from, and that those remain available. Before that, if we want and can get our act together, we may hit one of current top two at any time.

It might make sense if that third target is whoever is in third place at the ending time; or maybe whoever (excluding the top two then) had the highest vote total earlier. Choose however you want, but make it clear who that third target is.

This is extremely close to EK's plan. To the best of my knowledge, it exactly EK's plan except (1) Rolling targets off stops at some point; (2) we must have a third option available then.

This is probably not the best strategy, but it's a decent one. And the clock is ticking.
Let's give it a shot. Is 6 pm Sat a good time? 2 pm Sunday? Lynch deadline is 5 pm Monday, so we need a nominee by 9am Monday, I think.

[Kenshiro]

We should only give one name each round. I like Gandalf's suggestion.

I think it was a mistake to give more than one name in the past. Someone should point out that we really don't want the EC to know for sure if someone isn't the Slayer and "encourage" the students to vote for Werewolf.

[Leela]

I can live with that for this round. I much prefer a Saturday early evening time. I'm moving this weekend. So, I won't be around too much. I will be here most of Friday night. I am planning on checking in sometime Saturday night. But, we aren't getting the phone connected in our new place until Monday. So, I will definitely not be around Sunday. I will mention this in the game thread later on today.

[Gandalf]

OK, I'm going public with it. What names do we want to hit promptly if they become available? Werewolf and Kaput only?

[Leela]

What names do we want to hit promptly if they become available? Werewolf and Kaput only?

I would say yes, Werewolf and Kaput. We know they are not the slayer, and they are high on our list. We want to appear to defend Will, Anonymouse, and possibly EK.

[snafu]

Gandalf, I think there may be a few hitches with your announcement from the student side. Here is what I would suggest (using your announcement as a starting point but keeping in mind that the ghosts can no more dictate than can the students)
The ghosts want to work with the living students. EK's stategy without any modification is unworkable from the ghost perspective. Neither EK nor anyone else in the public thread has commented on my porposed modification and there is really no more time for discussion this round. Therefore, in the interest of moving things forward, here's how the ghost portion of this round is going to work.

The ghosts are very much in favor of more discussion. We like the idea of letting people know they are at high risk, rather than surprising them. We do not like the idea of a window of opportunity to hit someone, so that if we wait in the hope of getting a better target we may let an OK target go by, maybe ending up with poor targets. If that is what the students as a whole want, we can live with it. Not knowing what the students as a whole want, the ghosts will live with it this round.

Spell out exactly what the ghosts will be doing. Empasize that this is not dictating to the students but is clarifying exactly what the ghosts role will be this round. Include whatever deadline the ghosts will be following for making our suggestion.

Nevermind. Too late.

An I think a deadline of Sunday afternoon would be best. That gives lots of time for discussion and still leaves plenty of time for the final voting.

[snafu]

What names do we want to hit promptly if they become available? Werewolf and Kaput only?

I would say yes, Werewolf and Kaput. We know they are not the slayer, and they are high on our list. We want to appear to defend Will, Anonymouse, and possibly EK.

I agree with this.

[Avi]

What names do we want to hit promptly if they become available? Werewolf and Kaput only?

I would say yes, Werewolf and Kaput. We know they are not the slayer, and they are high on our list. We want to appear to defend Will, Anonymouse, and possibly EK.

Why do we want to appear as if we are defending EK?

[snafu]

Why do we want to appear as if we are defending EK?

So the EC will waste a turn killing him if he is innocent.

And if the EC doesn't kill him, as more proof of his guilt.

[Sunny]

Why do we want to appear as if we are defending EK?

So the EC will waste a turn killing him if he is innocent.

And if the EC doesn't kill him, as more proof of his guilt.

I totally agree.

[4sigma]

Gandalf,

Thanks for picking up the ball here. If I want to stay in the loop, I suppose I may have to move to the East coast.

I agree with hitting Werewolf or Kaput Shakur if they make it into the top 2.

Otherwise I think we should protect EK, at least for now, as long as one of the alternative choices is not strongly suspected to be innocent, and is OK'd to hit by the slayer.


I note that while we are still "protecting" Will Durant and Anonymouse, the fact that EC has not hit them since the death of the sleeper does suggest that they are not buying the hoax. Since the hoax was reasonably impressive, I am beginning to become of the mind that either Will or Anonymouse is EC2 or the sleeper. This is perhaps one of our only clues as to the identity of the sleeper EC at this point.

[4sigma]

A further comment on the above:

With EC's targeting of Maine-iac, it appears that EC is trying to hit the slayer now. I think their previous several choices (Sunny, Gandalf, Rocky, myself, and perhaps Leela) were aimed primarily at students that were unlikely to be lynched because of their evident innocence.)

As such, I think we are under a little less urgency to be hitting quiet types at the moment, since it is likely that EC will start doing some of that for us.

It also may mean that EC is less likely to hit EK, since I think his public behavior makes it likely that he is not the slayer. As such, our appearing to protect him may not entice EC all that much.

[Gandalf]

I note that while we are still "protecting" Will Durant and Anonymouse, the fact that EC has not hit them since the death of the slayer does suggest that they are not buying the hoax.If you keep making these typos people will think I am playing under two ids.

We can wait them out longer, no?

Meanwhile, students are showing little interest. Perhaps EK is PMing them to cut down participation? Anyway, I said students must choose a third target by 6 pm Saturday. How should we remind them to do that? Point out that they have control over the target list (we will hit no one that is not in the top two at the time) provided they specify the third target. If they don't, we reserve the right to hit anyone we want?

I think it would be a major weakness for us to say how we will pick the third target if they don't.

[4sigma]

OK, Mr. Stormcrow. Typo fixed.

We do have at least a 3-way tie at the moment. I agree that we can continue to wait them out. My sense is that if I were a living student, I would just be keeping my mouth shut, as the people who are getting votes are the ones who have spoken up about something recently.

Who will be around on Saturday evening? I will be out most of the day Saturday but will be checking back in late Saturday night.

[Gandalf]

My availability Saturday and all next week is questionable, though I expect to be on line at least a little most days except Saturday.

We should not choose from only two alternatives after Saturday 6 pm even if one of those is acceptable to us. We should insist on a third so that we do not appear to be protecting any specific person. It would be best to remind them of that before noon Saturday.

[4sigma]

This may depend on who we appear to be protecting. For example, I would not terribly mind if we appear to be protecting EK at the moment, and this incentivizes EC to hit him. ;)

[ahow]

I will not be available Saturday night. I have stated my preferences as Kaput and EK. This opinion stands until further notice...

[4sigma]

Well, the students haven't done much swinging for us this round. We've got 5 votes for EK, 1 Traina, 2 Jables, and 1 All Clear. I think, however, that per our guidlines we are only considering EK, Traina, and Jables this round.

According to my records, we have OK from the slayer to hit Traina and EK, but not Jables or All Clear.

I'm curious everyone's current take on these folks. Here is mine:

EK: I don't think he is EC2. If he is, his high-profile antagonism of the ghosts is a pretty horrible strategy. Of course, EK has shown that he's willing to support some pretty horrible strategies, as long as he has fun in the process. But I don't know that he would still follow this philosophy if he were actually EC.

Traina: I don't really have a read on Traina. She's been pretty quiet, which she also was last game. She does not seem to particularly match the EC2 profile regarding "fear and ignorance" or "yous guys." But I dont' know her very well.

Jables: I think there are mixed signs on Jables. Raising suspicion is the timing of EC2 opening Gandalf'd PM over Memorial Day. While Jables does not hang out in Political, I think he is capable of the post content that EC2 has made.

In his favor, there is the issue of his limited internet access. Then again, it looks like Jables had full access until about the end of the 1st week of June. Do we really know if EC2 has been online during business hours since that time?

Gandalf makes the argument that a Jables/CubedBee EC would not have been able tor exercise the posting restraint that we have observed. I think there is some credibilitty to this, but it is not conclusive. The only other thing I see in Jables' favor is that he sent us his suspect list quickly, but this is a minor point.

It may make sense to protect EK this round, particularly if we think it will entice EC to hit him rather than take a shot at the slayer. So far EC has taken out everyone that we have protected from lynching within a couple of rounds after we protect them. The only exception was Avi, who we ourselves lynched the round after we protected him, while EC took out Sunny, who we had protected earlier.

Because of the above, I think our best target for this round is Jables or Traina. However, as I noted above, we don't officially have OK from the slayer to hit Jables. While it seems rather improbable to me that Jables is the slayer, I suppose we had better check. I have made a real estate post that we are a bit suspicious of Jables for an activity that happened around Memorial Day.

I am slightly more confident of Jables' innocence than Traina's. Against that, I think EC is more likely to hit Traina as a quiet type than Jables, along the lines of their choice of Maine-iac last round. Since our slayer may very well be a quiet type, I think that hitting Jables would better protect our slayer from EC. Against that, I suppose Traina is very slightly more likely to be EC than Jables. So I would be content to hit either of these this round, as long as we have OK from our slayer.

[Avi]

Well EK is perilously close to the 50% lynch mark. Do we step in, or do we let mob psychology take its course?

[ahow]

I would be all for saving EK now. If EC doesn't hit him, we can get him next round.

Or maybe we should wait for the Slayer to get back to us about Jables...

[4sigma]

EK is not in dire peril just yet. It takes 9 to lynch. Several others have been closer to lynching this game but the students did somehow avoid lynching them.

I have not heard back from the slayer yet regarding whether it is OK to hit Jables. Again, we already have OK to hit EK and Traina.

I will be without access for most of the rest of the day today, checking back in near Midnight pacific time. But I think we are OK as long as we get a nominee named before Monday morning, so that people can vote before work Monday.

So I would recommend that as ghosts check in today, they rank their preference of who to hit this round out of EK, Traina and Jables. For example, my preferences are:

1) Traina
1) (tie) Jables
3) EK.

Anyone who doesn't check in today, I will look in the Summary thread to see if you have ranked these people. I'll compile the rankings when I get back on late tonight, and nominate whoever is the group consensus, as long as we have OK from the slayer to hit them.

In the event that the students are getting too restless and if it is clear that a consensus is developing for Traina or EK, someone else is welcome to post them as a nominee before I get back. Please do not hit Jables unless we are sure that he is not the slayer.

[4sigma]

Well, after that flood of feedback, it's the wee hours of Monday morning now, and it's time to post a name. I did receive a PM back from the slayer, and we have the OK to hit Jables if we want to.

Here is what I understand to be everyone's preferences, based on their most recent post in this thread, or otherwise based on their comments in the Summary thread:

Gandalf: 1) Jables, 2) Traina, 3) EK.
ahow: recommends we should protect EK.
snafu: recommends we should protect EK.
Sunny: recommends we should protect EK. Thinks all 3 are probably innocent, particularly Traina.
4σ: recommends we should protect EK.
Rocky: 1) EK, 2) Traina, 3) Jables (Based on the Summary thread)
Avi: 1) EK, Some comment on Jables, No read on Traina. (Based on the Summary thread)

The consensus is to protect EK this round.

Between Jables and Traina, there seems to be essentially no preference. Rocky has Jables and Traina adjacent on his rankings list, so his preference for Traina is clearly very slight. Likewise Avi has no comment on Traina and his comment on Jables basically seems to say that he doesn't buy the "can't connect from work" alibi since Jables could easily have several other IDs. Sunny in her "summary thread" post says that she thinks all 3 are innocent, but singles out Traina in particular with a reason for innocence. The only other person who expresses a preference is Gandalf who admittedly has a vested interest in a stapler at stake.

As I look through everyone's reasoning, we have very little to go in regarding Traina. She is perhaps slightly suspiious for being on the quiet side, but there appears to be virtually nothing else to suggest either her guilt or innocence.

Regarding Jables, there is a fair bit more on both sides of the ledger:

Evidence of guilt:

-- Posted at about the same time as EC2 opened the PM from Gandalf over Memorial day weekend. Has no posts just prior to this, while the PM sat unopened.
-- Seems a better fit than Traina for the use of the "fear and ignorance" and "yous guys" vocabulary.
-- fits the profile of one who would change his avatar
-- His use of the EC3 ID

Evidence of innocence:
-- Has not made any posts during business hours for 2 weeks. Appears to be unable to connect to the RF from his new job. Though I don't think we have any evidence that EC2 is still active during business hours.
-- is cooperating with the ghosts -- sent us a rankings list.
-- does not hang out in political
-- posting times, even when he did have internet access, are negatively correlated with the posting times of EC2.
-- a Jables/CubedBee EC combo would likely not have remained as quiet as EC1 and EC2 have done.

On balance, the above is not terribly compelling for either guilt or innocence However, I am going to recommend that we hit Jables for the following reasons:


1) To EC, Traina probably looks more likely to be the slayer,compared to Jables. Leaving her alive will probably better protect the slayer.
2) Gandalf and Sunny appear to have some slight preference for hitting Jables over Traina. Avi appears to perhaps also, though I can't tell how suspicious he really is of Jables. In contrast, Rocky's preference for hitting Traina over Jables is extremely small.
3) The evidence of avatar changes, his use of EC3, and his presence over memorial day provides a reasonable argument for lynching, which is more than we can provide for Traina.

Against this, EK will probably be upset that we have named Gandalf's stapler pick rather than Traina, who is the choice of a living student. But we can remind EK that there was a third alternative to Jables and Traina, and I suspect he prefers Jables to that 3rd option.... ;)

I'm going to bed now. If this creates any sort of explosion in the public thread, you guys get to put the fire out. :burn:

[Butters]

I have finally caught up on the last few days. I will be surprised if Jables is EC, but it looks like there wasn't much to work with.
I hate to admit it, but I agree with EK in his PM to Leela. I am somewhat suspicious of All Clear, RSF, and Macroman because they are relatively quiet. We need to turn up the heat on those three to see if we can learn anything.

[ahow]

We do, however, need to be careful in case one of the three is EC and one of the other two are the slayer. That would be a dangerous game to play...

[snafu]

My list shows that none of the three have been cleared by the slayer.

4Sigma - can you please get clearance from the slayer to turn up the heat on these three during the next round.

[Rocky]

I edited my summary earlier and moved up All Clear just based on re-evaluating a couple of the PM's that he sent me. I think that they're in the PM thread. He seems more in-tune this game (although he's not posting any more often), but that could be because he has a more important role in the game.

It still seems to me that if EK survives until the students' next turn, we have to SERIOUSLY consider lynching him. There's fewer and fewer rational explanations for protecting him if the EC keeps passing him by.

[4sigma]

My list shows that none of the three have been cleared by the slayer.

4Sigma - can you please get clearance from the slayer to turn up the heat on these three during the next round.

I concur that we have clearance on none of these. Let me discuss with Leela, however, as the list of who is possibly the slayer is becoming quite short. The slayer has requested that we not post sufficient information on this forum in order to identify them.

[snafu]

My list shows that none of the three have been cleared by the slayer.

4Sigma - can you please get clearance from the slayer to turn up the heat on these three during the next round.

I concur that we have clearance on none of these. Let me discuss with Leela, however, as the list of who is possibly the slayer is becoming quite short. The slayer has requested that we not post sufficient information on this forum in order to identify them.

The circulate it by PM. We have lots of information and are not using it effectively due to the slayer's paranoia. I agree that we shouldn't post a list and say "oh, look, here is the slayer" but we should at least have enough information to construct a solid hunt.

[Gandalf]

Why do we have to seriously consider lynching EK next round if EC doesn't hit him. He is still generating more discussion than anyone else, stirring these up by PM, etc. Would someone else pick up the slack if he is dead (especially if he is dead innocent student).

He is very unlikely, IMO, to be EC2. Sleeper maybe; maybe even our best bet for the sleeper. But let's keep him alive (a little longer) and look for EC2, even if we don't accept EK's choices of hits.

I suppose, OTOH, that if the EC has somehow rejected him as the slayer, then by hitting someone else we reduce the potential slayer options for the EC.

[Rocky]

The student sentiment is against him, Gandalf. That has to count for something.

I think that the evidence that has a handful of ghosts suggesting protection of him is not as compelling as the evidence that we've had in determining that some dead innocent students could be EC. So, as we've seen with some innocent students' deaths, that evidence could be wrong or manipulated.

Even if EK is not EC (if he is, his strategy may just be balls-y enough to work), he is not adding to the enjoyment of many players in the game. If I were RF-savvy at all, I'd post the links to the posts were students said this. But, I'm not...so going by the votes last round should be a good indicator.

Also, why is the EC not hitting him? (1) He's one of them, (2) he's the perfect student for them to have in the end-game, (3) his strategy is not considered by the EC to help the students, so he's no threat, or (4) they're completely convinced that he's not the slayer (in which case #2 is an even more compelling reason).

I'm just not convinced that he's good for the game. I haven't seen increased PM's to the ghosts due to him. The discussions in the public thread haven't been revealing either. If he's going to continue to try to leverage/manipulate the information that he's getting via PM to have the ghosts do his bidding, that's definitely bad for the students.

[ahow]

Oops...

[Rocky]

funny scene, though...

[4sigma]

EC Slayer checks in with the following slaying intentions:

I will advise Mr. Penguin at around 12:30PM RF time tomorrow that I will lynch Werewolf unless I see "000" which means I can give in Werewolf's name earlier, "111" which means you would prefer Kaput Shakur join the ghost forum, or "222" which means the ghosts would prefer Macroman.

Do we have any preference between these? Kaput and Werewolf are both at the top of my EC2 profile list. Macroman isn't particularly on my radar. I think there is a particularly good case to be made for hitting Werewolf, since we OK'd him for lynching earlier, and thus he can't be the slayer. So EC will probably not take him out any time soon.

[Rocky]

I think that Werewolf makes the most sense. Since he's the top recommendation of the slayer (at least for the 3 students that you listed) as well, let the slayer swing away!

[ahow]

I am all for taking out Kaput, but this is the slayer's turn, so I would suggest the thumbs up for Werewolf...

[Leela]

I think werewolf is a good choice, but we I don't think we should tell the slayer to give werewolf's name early until we have decide what method we are using for voting next round.

Also, I have finally updated my list in the summary thread if anyone would like to look at it.

[Rocky]

moved to "no good place"... thread

[ahow]

Have we given the slayer the :tup: yet? I think we should do that. We will still have some time to suggest how we want to go about suggesting next round while the Slayer informs, victim writes deathscene (werewolf), EC informs, victim writes deathscene (EK or Will)...