Draft –- Military, FBI, CIA

[OT]

Draft – Military, FBI

Anyone know when the last time USA instituted the military draft? I know we drafted for Vietnam and did not draft for Desert Storm. It seems like operation Noble Eagle/Infinite Justice/Enduring Freedom (or whatever the name is now) will not take as much troops as Desert Storm. But with this new war where our most important weapon is “intelligence” perhaps we should draft for the CIA and FBI. I heard that, the FBI, in particular is short handed.

[Anonymous]

Ummm, the intelligence field kinda needs to be volunteers only.

[Aaron Brachowitz]

The draft ended in 1973.

Mandatory service is great for raising large armies for "conventional" wars. I don't know how useful it will be in this fight, which will rely on small teams of highly trained men (yes, men). Maybe they should draft football quarterbacks -- smart, strong, and able to make quick decisions under pressure.

FBI and CIA have plenty of people and money. They just don't do a very good job with what they have.

[Patience]

I thought the draft was reinstated in mid 1978. I had to register.

Unless you differentiate mandatory registration for the draft from an active draft.

Does anyone know when (if) that stopped?

[Guerilla poster]

I recall registering in 1988.

[The Mister]

Since I can remember (which admittedly isn't that long), all men have had to register for potential draft when they turned 18. As Patience says, that may have been 1978. Whether or not they start drawing numbers is another issue altogether.

[Ranger]

Since 1978, all males within 30 days of their 18th birthday are required to register for Selective Service. It's not registering for the draft. However, this information would be used by the draft boards, if the draft was reinstituted.

Freedom is not free.

[Actuary321]

I thought that I had heard that either they were ending the registration or the talked alot about ending it.

As for quarterbacks, Jeff George is available. Ty Detmer probably should be. Though I don't know if I would trust their quick judgements.:smile:

[Traci]

"""small teams of highly trained men (yes, men)"""

If our most important weapon here is intelligence - are you saying that women have nothing to offer?

[Aaron Brachowitz]

On 2001-09-26 14:06, Traci wrote:
are you saying that women have nothing to offer?


Nothing to offer? No, but they don't belong in special ops units operating in hostile territory. I would be in favor of women participating in these operations if they can successfully complete the qualification courses for Rangers, Special Forces, or SEALs. The only problem is that none have been born yet.

[Don Quijote]

"None have been born yet".

I could swear I saw Demi Moore pass the course.

[Traci]

"""I would be in favor of women participating in these operations if they can successfully complete the qualification courses for Rangers, Special Forces, or SEALs. """

Okay - so are you saying that the only MEN we should send over are Rangers, Special Forces or SEALS?

[Intents]

I thought the answer given was ambiguous when the question of whether there were females in special ops was posed.

I personally think this is a great opportunity for the Feminist movement to complete another facet of equality demonstration. There is a strong sentiment against that because of the history of rape of female prisoners of war.

[Anonymous]

You people are clueless if you don't think women serve in the intelligence community. People are more likely to share secrets after sex than any other time.

[OT]

Anyone know the age ranges for the military draft?

[Grits N Gravy]

On 2001-09-26 16:13, OT wrote:
Anyone know the age ranges for the military draft?


18-25, I believe. There was some article about, if they were to reinstate the draft, what form would it take. They also addressed (or specualted on) college deferment and the like.

[The Mister]

<font size=2>I *think* it's through 29. And from what I've heard they go for singles first, then married/no children, then married w/children.

But that's 3rd or 4th hand guesstimating.

[Guerilla poster]

Any use for actuaries in the CIA/FBI?

Could there be under the new SOA umbrella plan?

[Hierophant]

One of the many ways in which the terrorist attack is backfiring:

For years now, the CIA has had difficulty recruiting the "best and the brightest" out of our colleges and universities. The combined effects of a prosperous business sector, a sense of global/national security, and a residual distrust and anti-American sentiment from the Vietnam war, as well as the McCarthy era (and certainly fueled by the elite left in this country) have resulted in little desire or incentive for the best to join the CIA.

I have to guess (and I am only guessing) that the CIA will find many more willing recruits in the next 10 years - which will allow them to get better candidates for their mission.

[Anonymous]

On 2001-09-26 16:22, Hierophant wrote:
One of the many ways in which the terrorist attack is backfiring:

For years now, the CIA has had difficulty recruiting the "best and the brightest" out of our colleges and universities. The combined effects of a prosperous business sector, a sense of global/national security, and a residual distrust and anti-American sentiment from the Vietnam war, as well as the McCarthy era (and certainly fueled by the elite left in this country) have resulted in little desire or incentive for the best to join the CIA.

I have to guess (and I am only guessing) that the CIA will find many more willing recruits in the next 10 years - which will allow them to get better candidates for their mission.



Yeah, and investors will forego profit to support this country too. You have little understanding of human nature.

[Guerilla poster]

Anon,

Some people are driven by things other than pure bottom line profit or earnings.

Some intelligent people would prefer to be in a job that they view as important to the welfare of others.

I hope that if you have learned anything from Sept. 11, it is that money does not solve everything. Do you think the firefighters ran up to rescue people because of the positive financial impact this would have?

[Anonymous]

I refuse to get pulled into absurd debates.

[Guerilla poster]

Where is the absurdity?

There are reasons other than purely financial why someone would join the CIA/FBI. Could someone argue this point?

[Guerilla poster]

Hey anon,

Do you think Joe Dimaggio enlisted in WWII because he needed the money?

[Dr T Non-Fan]

Joe D probably enlisted on the deal that he would be more of an ambassador -- and an influence to others to join -- than to put himself at risk.
It might also look bad not to join up. We were at war with Italy, too. Joe knew about the present value of future endorsements.

Teddy Bombadier -- now there's a hero to look up to.

[Dr T Non-Fan]

"I refuse to get pulled into absurd debates. (I'd rather start them.)"

[Griffin 1]

On 2001-09-26 16:46, anon wrote:
I refuse to get pulled into absurd debates.


Usually, these debates become absurd only when anon participates.

[Dr T Non-Fan]

I'll do my part in not responding to anon's such as this.

[Hierophant]

Let's not forget the contributions of Dr. T to the absurdity factor.

The "investor" comment is a ruse at best. Investors, of course, forego profits in the form of taxes to support this country. However, if you are referring to the fall in the stock market last week, then you are as confused as anyone about the role of the stock market.

As to motivations for recruiting, remember that there are close to 7,000 dead. There are probably 10+ million people within 2 handshakes of the victims; these people and their children probably account for 2 to 10 million potential CIA recruits over the next 10 years. (BTW, I am shooting totally from the hip on these numbers.)

Thus, there is a significant new pool of people who will have a fairly personal stake. Others will be generally more receptive to the idea of joining the CIA.

In contrast to the negative perceptions about the role of the CIA in the past 30 years, this will represent a 180 degree change in attitudes of people. It will make a difference.

Don't be surprised if the pay scales get adjusted to attract the best and the brightest as well - the taxpayers will be willing to pay up.

[Anonymous]

Almost got pulled in - thanks for this edit feature.

<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: anon on 2001-09-26 17:50 ]</font>

[Dr T Non-Fan]

Yeah, she IS absurd sometimes.

[Homer]

On 2001-09-26 17:30, Hierophant wrote:
Let's not forget the contributions of Dr. T to the absurdity factor.


No, Dr. T just makes comments you disagree with. Anon's comments are usually just absurd.

[Dr T Non-Fan]

Even better is the high probability that one anon can edit the posts of another anon.

(Oh-oh, let the cat out of the bag.)

[The Mister]

<font size=2>Actually, anonymous posters can't edit their posts or anyone else's. Only admins can. One more reason to register.