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Expunge
07-21-2004, 11:09 AM
SB (1610 in chips)
BB (1100 in chips)
UTG (1760 in chips)
UTG+1 (1830 in chips)
MP (1700 in chips)
MP+1 (1735 in chips)
LP (920 in chips)
CO (1455 in chips)
BUT (1360 in chips)

*** HOLE CARDS ***
UTG+1: [9h 9d]
BUT: [Qh Ad]

UTG: folds, UTG+1: calls 30, MP: calls 30, MP+1: calls 30, LP: folds, CO: folds, BUT: raises 190 to 220, SB: folds, BB: folds, UTG+1: calls 190, MP: folds, MP+1: folds.

(545) *** FLOP *** [7h 8s 6h]
UTG+1: checks, BUT: bets 210, UTG+1: calls 210

(965) *** TURN *** [7h 8s 6h] [8h]
UTG+1: checks, BUT: checks

(965) *** RIVER *** [7h 8s 6h 8h] [Ac]
UTG+1: checks, BUT: checks

MountainHawk
07-21-2004, 11:14 AM
I don't understand why the UTG+1 doesn't reraise to see where he is on the flop. He's got an open ended straight draw and an overpair. With the raise preflop, he can't be that far behind (button is not on 45 or 9T). At worst, the guy has trips or another overpair, and you have 10 outs with 2 cards to come.

Edit: He also has a runner runner flush draw, but that may well be counterfeit (which it is in this case) with only the 9h.

Edit2: button changed to UTG+1, as Sponge points out below.

Expunge
07-21-2004, 11:16 AM
I don't understand why the UTG+1doesn't reraise to see where he is on the flop. He's got an open ended straight draw and an overpair. With the raise preflop, he can't be that far behind (button is not on 45 or 9T). At worst, the guy has trips or another overpair, and you have 10 outs with 2 cards to come.

I concur with the above. (i correct what i assume is a typo.)

Expunge
07-21-2004, 11:19 AM
If i'm in UTG+1's shoes my question is do i bet it, or do i hope for a check raise.

DblDownTrent
07-21-2004, 11:23 AM
I agree too. I think that's a perfect time for a check-raise on the flop by the 99.


I think they both got scared off by the flush potential on the turn....

DblDownTrent
07-21-2004, 11:24 AM
If i'm in UTG+1's shoes my question is do i bet it, or do i hope for a check raise.

BUT raised preflop, you can be 90% sure she'll bet if you check to her.

MountainHawk
07-21-2004, 11:25 AM
Yeah, I probably bet out here, that's true. There's too many draws that hurt me here. He could be on two hearts, AT, maybe even A5, A4, or KT (though unlikely from preflop action). Try to take down the pot now, while I'm pretty sure I'm ahead, than let them draw for free and maybe pass me.

Matty
07-21-2004, 11:30 AM
I don't like calling huge raises (like 7x) preflop with medium pairs, because if I don't flop a set I'm in no man's land. It will cost me a lot of chips to figure out whether I'm ahead against AK or behind against AA or KK...but I think with this flop I would have to pay for that information by raising. Maybe even all-in to get him to lay down a hand like JJ.