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urysohn
08-02-2004, 01:29 PM
Round 5 Challenge 2 -- Cryptograms
For this challenge, you will be solving some cryptograms. Not only are these similar to those you'd find in a magazine rack at the local supermarket, that's where I actually got them from. So no complaints about the stupid sayings ;)

There are 21 cryptograms in the challenge. Each team member may make as many posts as they wish within a thread, but only the first team to post a correct solution will take the point. So, unlike some of the past Challenges, you are advised to post each solution as soon as you have it. One point for each correct solution. First team to 11 points wins.

These will be basic cryptograms, where each letter of the alphabet is substituted with a different letter. Each letter is unique (i.e. A and B represent different letters). There will be no numeric values included. The coded phrases will have punctuation included -- I will show you where the dashes, apostrophes, semicolons, commas, etc, should be. The phrase will be listed all in CAPS - you will not be told which letters should be capitalized in the final solution.

You should attempt to post the correct solution. But I will score a very-close response as correct if it looks like you had a typo in your final result. More than one or two typos, and I will score it wrong. If it appears to be an error in the solution, rather than a typo, then I will mark it wrong. Do not edit your posts or they will not be scored. If you have a typo you would like to call attention to, either make a follow-up post or send me a PM.

The coded phrases will be posted at 6:00 pm in the "Survivor R5C2 -- Cryptograms" thread I will create. The Challenge will end when one team has 11 points or at 9:00am ET tomorrow morning, whichever is earlier.

Tim><
08-02-2004, 01:31 PM
Are the codes consistent between cryptograms? I assume not.

urysohn
08-02-2004, 01:42 PM
Are the codes consistent between cryptograms? I assume not.
Good question. And correct answer. Each cryptogram will have it's own encoding.

08-02-2004, 02:26 PM
Practice (http://actuary.ca/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=13945)!

Ebenezer Kohl
08-02-2004, 02:40 PM
SDZLR QDC ZMC AKTD ZQD BNCJMNBJDQR

J.T.
08-02-2004, 03:11 PM
SDZLR QDC ZMC AKTD ZQD BNCJMNBJDQR

ARE NOT!!!!!!! :swear:

Ebenezer Kohl
08-02-2004, 03:20 PM
:lol: I was hoping someone would post the answer so I could agree. :lol:

Tim><
08-02-2004, 03:21 PM
:swear:

08-02-2004, 05:39 PM
Was it just me, or did someone just expunge some EK posts?!

Ebenezer Kohl
08-02-2004, 05:47 PM
4. If stupidity got us into this mess, then why can't it get us out?

08-02-2004, 05:47 PM
4. If stupidity got us into this mess, then why can't it get us out?

urysohn
08-02-2004, 06:00 PM
BEGIN CHALLENGE!

1. VSWKWXJP HXWS IXBID RWSSZKLSI LMPI HWJV, "WSXJHXH WSI PSIWXJEI; HL XBIZ JMHXJMPXJEIDZ LRHISEI KLSI."

2. JEFH CKSIG LNQFI CSHQFM QG JEF'G GRPKFX MZRELRGL LNZQSS, EFX SEFXQFM QG LNR CQZGL.

3. EROICZ BEWHXWSB VCII OW HOIW YM YHXW H YVM-BWZMFA CAWH HFA ACIRYW CY CFYM H YVM-NMRS BEWWZN.

4. DRGIVV OQD'NI YPI QRI FPQ JUBI DK FEYP EY ZENVY, U LINO JGILIN KDR EV YPI GQFIVY ZQNB QZ PDBQN.

5. JZ JYPVXTPAN LNXN MXDHB FHJUU, T HVM VZ SNVSHN LVDHO FN AVPUMTPMHB CDKSJPY ZVX CVB.

6. VXIIXC FJCFJ MF FXIJKNMCB RXL OZCK XKNJE HJXHSJ KX FNXO QR ZVVJHKMCB RXLE MWJZF ZCW VXCVSLFMXCF.

7. ZH JHJYCJFSG OJF OPOOA GVPTL JZESTA RJ LJEGYSRJL ZE Z "TSFFTJ XZCCSH' " XSFKVPF XKJJTE.

8. VRGZMUDHU'L AGGJRG, AZE XA AGE FZHW VXDF'L VGADHUR MUHW, EUL ZAVG MUHD ZY U LKAJXUR.

9. TVJZPO JCVY CDP ACHM DZNN BCCP OZKM QP MPIZYMNJ PMD HMQPZPO IC IAM IMYH "ACVBMTYCLMP."

10. GFMUB IFQHX NAP OYIPXY HA IFQY IOFWJMN TFGY F TFDUH AI XHFDDUWK NAP UW HTY DFQJ.

11. AH'C LQNXXF DKQCHAETNWXQ AM NXX HGQ RQUGNTAUNX ATIQTHAETC FQH ULQNHQO GNIQ XASGHQTQO HGQ ONF'C HEAX EM NTF GKRNT WQATS.

12. OQ FQX JSQG GELI L EFKQPEQSONCLP CU? CI'U L KTNUQS GEQ OQTUS'I ATTZ GTZZ XSZTUU ET CU UCPJ.

13. DBER JYSJZY APS BLLSKBEOZR TWYA OPYDFYZTYF BF AWOF BLY JYLPBJF PBZI LWKPO.

14. PE HSW S YBMVBYEPXB MPY XSF HPFOJB HRD QMCUNJBG, "P RSXB WD UCVR ED GD ERSE P ERPFO P SU QDPFQ ED NBG."

15. IYYT TXPWVUFQUYA YH FYUPX: QDX RVQ YH GRNUAI YQDXVP HXXK RP GMWD RQ XRPX RP QDXE QDUAN EYM RVX.

16. JRH EFUEHU UFXPHM RXP DUXWHP FZM DHGDQH EHLFZ WFQQXZL RXP DQFWH F "WQXD VGXZJ."

17. EH PJO TH CFKHQDG FQ AJON KHFKGH ECFIH GVAVXJXVFOI JMH IXVGG DOYOFEO; KHMCJKI XCHN EFO'X MHJPC XCHA.

18. GHD QWUQHCQTD GR CFQUDBJHT GH CZD XCFQJTZC QHW HQFFGA EQCZ JX CZQC HG GHD AJBB CFV CG EQXX VGK.

19. YZON ZL JO PCCG B ECBWWM IZZG DZSM YBDUQPC LZE GZQPI B RUZWC WZN ZL ECSCBN VJOQPCOO.

20. JGGF-EGM JZCGXE YMCG SN PG FGNFQC HYN MXG MQQ HGS.

21. ZMXO EOMECO ZOOX BM BPYKV BPO OQEFOZZYMK YZ FODCCT "BM XDVO D ZPMFB ZBMFT CMKU."

The Cat in the Hat
08-02-2004, 06:01 PM
12

DO YOU KNOW WHAT A HYPOCHONDRIAC IS? IT'S A PERSON WHO DOESN'T FEEL WELL UNLESS HE IS SICK.

cubedbee
08-02-2004, 06:01 PM
11. IT'S REALLY QUESTIONABLE IF ALL THE MECHANICAL INVENTIONS YET CREATED HAVE LIGHTENED THE DAY'S TOIL OF ANY HUMAN BEING.

cubedbee
08-02-2004, 06:02 PM
10. VALID FACTS YOU REFUSE TO FACE FRANKLY HAVE A HABIT OF STABBING YOU IN THE BACK.

The Cat in the Hat
08-02-2004, 06:02 PM
13

MANY PEOPLE WHO ARROGANTLY VIEW THEMSELVES AS WITS ARE PERHAPS HALF RIGHT.

Hagbard Celine
08-02-2004, 06:02 PM
Team :shake:

1. Dramatic star Ethel Barrymore once said, "Artists are creative; so they instinctively observe more."

cubedbee
08-02-2004, 06:02 PM
9. BUYING YOUR OWN HOME WILL SOON GIVE AN ENTIRELY NEW MEANING TO THE TERM "HOUSEBROKEN."

urysohn
08-02-2004, 06:02 PM
why, you little cheaters!! :swear:

Got a program that solves all these for you?!?!

aces219
08-02-2004, 06:02 PM
7. An energetic Met Mummy could easily be described as a "little waggin'" without wheels.

The Cat in the Hat
08-02-2004, 06:02 PM
14

IT WAS A PERCEPTIVE RIP VAN WINKLE WHO GRUMBLED, "I HAVE SO MUCH TO DO THAT I THINK I AM GOING TO BED."

Hagbard Celine
08-02-2004, 06:02 PM
3. PUBLIC SPEAKERS WILL BE ABLE TO TAKE A TWO-SECOND IDEA AND DILUTE IT INTO A TWO-HOUR SPEECH.

Jables
08-02-2004, 06:02 PM
These folks, are GOOD! :D

J.T.
08-02-2004, 06:03 PM
21. Some people seem to think the expression is really "to make a short story long."

cubedbee
08-02-2004, 06:03 PM
7. AN ENERGETIC MET MUMMY COULD EASILY BE DESCRIBED AS A "LITTLE WAGGIN' " WITHOUT WHEELS.

The Cat in the Hat
08-02-2004, 06:03 PM
15

GOOD DESCRIPTION OF POISE: THE ART OF MAKING OTHERS FEEL AS MUCH AT EASE AS THEY THINK YOU ARE.

Hagbard Celine
08-02-2004, 06:03 PM
4. UNLESS YOU'RE THE ONE WHO CAME UP WITH IT FIRST, A VERY CLEVER PUN IS THE LOWEST FORM OF HUMOR.

aces219
08-02-2004, 06:03 PM
8. Cleopatra's needle, now in New York City's Central Park, was once part of a sundial.

Hagbard Celine
08-02-2004, 06:03 PM
5. IF IGNORANCE WERE TRULY BLISS, A LOT OF PEOPLE WOULD BE CONSTANTLY JUMPING FOR JOY.

The Cat in the Hat
08-02-2004, 06:03 PM
16

THE BARBER RAISED HIS PRICES AND PEOPLE BEGAN CALLING HIS PLACE A "CLIP JOINT."

cubedbee
08-02-2004, 06:04 PM
8. CLEOPATRA'S NEEDLE, NOW IN NEW YORK CITY'S CENTRAL PARK, WAS ONCE PART OF A SUNDIAL.

Hagbard Celine
08-02-2004, 06:04 PM
6. COMMON SENSE IS SOMETHING YOU WANT OTHER PEOPLE TO SHOW BY ACCEPTING YOUR IDEAS AND CONCLUSIONS.

The Cat in the Hat
08-02-2004, 06:04 PM
17

WE CAN BE HOPEFUL OF MANY PEOPLE WHOSE LIMITATIONS ARE STILL UNKNOWN; PERHAPS THEY WON'T REACH THEM.

J.T.
08-02-2004, 06:04 PM
19.MOST OF US NEED A REALLY GOOD COPY MACHINE FOR DOING A WHOLE LOT OF REPEAT BUSINESS.

cubedbee
08-02-2004, 06:04 PM
6. COMMON SENSE IS SOMETHING YOU WANT OTHER PEOPLE TO SHOW BY ACCEPTING YOUR IDEAS AND CONCLUSIONS.

urysohn
08-02-2004, 06:04 PM
7. An energetic Met Mummy could easily be described as a "little waggin'" without wheels.
Not correct
(but it looks like the others so far are right)

Hagbard Celine
08-02-2004, 06:04 PM
7. AN ENERGETIC PET PUPPY COULD EASILY BE DESCRIBED AS A "LITTLE WAGGIN' " WITHOUT WHEELS.

aces219
08-02-2004, 06:04 PM
9. Buying your own home will soon give an entirely new meaning to the term "housebroken".

The Cat in the Hat
08-02-2004, 06:04 PM
18

ONE ADVANTAGE OF TRAVELING ON THE STRAIGHT AND NARROW PATH IS THAT NO ONE WILL TRY TO PASS YOU.

J.T.
08-02-2004, 06:05 PM
18. ONE ADVANTAGE OF TRAVELING ON THE STRAIGHT AND NARROW PATH IS THAT NO ONE WILL TRY TO PASS YOU.

Hagbard Celine
08-02-2004, 06:05 PM
8. CLEOMATRA'S NEEDLE, NOW IN NEW YORK CITY'S CENTRAL PARK, WAS ONCE PART OF A SUNDIAL.

The Cat in the Hat
08-02-2004, 06:05 PM
21

SOME PEOPLE SEEM TO THINK THE EXPRESSION IS REALLY "TO MAKE A SHORT STORY LONG."

aces219
08-02-2004, 06:05 PM
10. Valid facts you refuse to face frankly have a habit of stabbing you in the back.

J.T.
08-02-2004, 06:05 PM
17. WE CAN BE HOPEFUL OF MANY PEOPLE WHOSE LIMITATIONS ARE STILL UNKNOWN; PERHAPS THEY WON'T REACH THEM.

cubedbee
08-02-2004, 06:06 PM
2. PUBLIC SPEAKERS WILL BE ABLE TO TAKE A TWO-SECOND IDEA AND DILUTE IT INTO A TWO-HOUR SPEECH.

J.T.
08-02-2004, 06:06 PM
16. THE BARBER RAISED HIS PRICES AND PEOPLE BEGAN CALLING HIS PLACE A "CLIP JOINT."

aces219
08-02-2004, 06:06 PM
11. It's really questionable if all the mechanical inventions yet created have lightened the day's toil of any human being.

Hagbard Celine
08-02-2004, 06:07 PM
19. MOST OF US NEED A REALLY GOOD COPY MACHINE FOR DOING A WHOLE LOT OF REPEAT BUSINESS.

urysohn
08-02-2004, 06:07 PM
19.MOST OF US NEED A REALLY GOOD ....
I'll tell you what most of you need is a really good...:swear:
This was NOT supposed to be a 5-minute challenge!!! :swear:

Both teams have answered the "wrong" one, using the same program it would appear -- it's "pet puppy", not "Met Mummy". :shake:

Hagbard Celine
08-02-2004, 06:07 PM
17. WE CAN BE HOPEFUL OF MANY PEOPLE WHOSE LIMITATIONS ARE STILL UNKNOWN; PERHAPS THEY WON'T REACH THEM.

aces219
08-02-2004, 06:07 PM
12. Do you know what a hypochondriac is? It's a person who doesn't feel well unless he is sick.

J.T.
08-02-2004, 06:07 PM
17.
GOOD DESCRIPTION OF POISE: THE ART OF MAKING OTHERS FEEL AS MUCH AT EASE AS THEY THINK YOU ARE.

oops...wrong number

Hagbard Celine
08-02-2004, 06:07 PM
2. MANY FOLKS THINK FLYING IS MAN'S SECOND GREATEST THRILL, AND LANDING IS THE FIRST.

urysohn
08-02-2004, 06:07 PM
I'm eating dinner - will score when I get back.

aces219
08-02-2004, 06:08 PM
13. Many people who arrogantly view themselves as wits are perhaps half right.

J.T.
08-02-2004, 06:08 PM
15.GOOD DESCRIPTION OF POISE: THE ART OF MAKING OTHERS FEEL AS MUCH AT EASE AS THEY THINK YOU ARE.

aces219
08-02-2004, 06:09 PM
14. It was a perceptive Rip Van Winkle who grumbled, "I have so much to do that I think I am going to bed."

Hagbard Celine
08-02-2004, 06:09 PM
14. WAS A PERCEPTIVE RIP VAN WINKLE WHO GRUMBLED, "I HAVE SO MUCH TO DO THAT I THINK I AM GOING TO BED."

The Cat in the Hat
08-02-2004, 06:09 PM
7

An energetic pet puppy could easily be described as a "little waggin'" without wheels.

Hagbard Celine
08-02-2004, 06:10 PM
11. IT'S REALLY QUESTIONABLE IF ALL THE MECHANICAL INVENTIONS YET CREATED HAVE LIGHTENED THE DAY'S TOIL OF ANY HUMAN BEING.

Hagbard Celine
08-02-2004, 06:14 PM
I'm eating dinner - will score when I get back.

:swear:

The least you could do is tell us if someone's won yet...

Hagbard Celine
08-02-2004, 06:16 PM
DEEP-SEA DIVERS HAVE TO BE PEOPLE WHO ARE ALL WET

cubedbee
08-02-2004, 06:16 PM
20. DEEP-SEA DIVERS HAVE TO BE PEOPLE WHO ARE ALL WET.

Ury entered this one incorrectly. I changed the c in 'FGNFQC' to a g in order to solve it.

Hagbard Celine
08-02-2004, 06:16 PM
20. DEEP-SEA DIVERS HAVE TO BE PEOPLE WHO ARE ALL WET

Ebenezer Kohl
08-02-2004, 06:18 PM
Red wins 11-10.

1 Hagbard Celine
2 cubedbee
3 Hagbard Celine
4 Hagbard Celine
5 Hagbard Celine
6 Hagbard Celine
7 Hagbard Celine
8 aces219
9 cubedbee
10 cubedbee
11 cubedbee
12 The Cat in the Hat
13 The Cat in the Hat
14 The Cat in the Hat
15 The Cat in the Hat
16 The Cat in the Hat
17 The Cat in the Hat
18 The Cat in the Hat
19 J.T.
20 Hagbard Celine
21 J.T.

Jables
08-02-2004, 06:18 PM
20. DEEP-SEA DIVERS HAVE TO BE PEOPLE WHO ARE ALL WET.

Ury entered this one incorrectly. I changed the c in 'FGNFQC' to a g in order to solve it.

You mean for your little cheat program to solve it, right?

Ebenezer Kohl
08-02-2004, 06:20 PM
7 The Cat in the Hat
7 Hagbard Celine
4 cubedbee
2 J.T.
1 aces219
0 Will Durant

cubedbee
08-02-2004, 06:20 PM
Red wins 11-10.

1 Hagbard Celine
2 cubedbee
3 Hagbard Celine
4 Hagbard Celine
5 Hagbard Celine
6 Hagbard Celine
7 Hagbard Celine
8 aces219
9 cubedbee
10 cubedbee
11 cubedbee
12 The Cat in the Hat
13 The Cat in the Hat
14 The Cat in the Hat
15 The Cat in the Hat
16 The Cat in the Hat
17 The Cat in the Hat
18 The Cat in the Hat
19 J.T.
20 Hagbard Celine
21 J.T.
These are the results I have too.

urysohn
08-02-2004, 06:54 PM
20. DEEP-SEA DIVERS HAVE TO BE PEOPLE WHO ARE ALL WET.

Ury entered this one incorrectly. I changed the c in 'FGNFQC' to a g in order to solve it.
hmmmm, I left the book at work. I'll need to doublecheck (triple, I guess) what they had. I guess I could have seen the C as a G and not noticed it. hmmm, sorry about that.

urysohn
08-02-2004, 07:07 PM
1. Hagbard Celine (Blue)
2. Hagbard Celine (Blue)
3. Hagbard Celine (Blue)
4. Hagbard Celine (Blue)
5. Hagbard Celine (Blue)
6. Hagbard Celine (Blue)
7. Hagbard Celine (Blue)
8. aces219 (Blue)
9. cubedbee (Red)
10. cubedbee (Red)
11. cubedbee (Red)
12. The Cat in the Hat (Red)
13. The Cat in the Hat (Red)
14. The Cat in the Hat (Red)
15. The Cat in the Hat (Red)
16. The Cat in the Hat (Red)
17. The Cat in the Hat (Red)
18. The Cat in the Hat (Red)
19. J.T. (Blue)
20. Hagbard Celine (Blue)
21. J.T. (Blue)

Blue wins 11-10!

urysohn
08-02-2004, 07:12 PM
Not that you need these, but here are the solutions:

1. Dramatic star Ethel Barrymore once said, "Artists are creative; so they instinctively observe more."
2. Many folks think flying is man's second greatest thrill, and landing is the first.
3. Public speakers will be able to take a two-second idea and dilute it into a two-hour speech.
4. Unless you're the one who came up with it first, a very clever pun is the lowest form of humor.
5. If ignorance were truly bliss, a lot of people would be constantly jumping for joy.
6. Common sense is something you want other people to show by accepting your ideas and conclusions.
7. An energetic pet puppy could easily be described as a "little waggin' " without wheels.
8. Cleopatra's Needle, now in New York City's Central Park, was once part of a sundial.
9. Buying your own home will soon give an entirely new meaning to the term "housebroken."
10. Valid facts you refuse to face frankly have a habit of stabbing you in the back.
11. It's really questionable if all the mechanical inventions yet created have lightened the day's toil of any human being.
12. Do you know what a hypochondriac is? It's a person who doesn't feel well unless he is sick.
13. Many people who arrogantly view themselves as wits are perhaps half right.
14. It was a perceptive Rip Van Winkle who grumbled, "I have so much to do that I think I am going to bed."
15. Good description of poise: The art of making others feel as much at ease as they think you are.
16. The barber raised his prices and people began calling his place a "clip joint."
17. We can be hopeful of many people whose limitations are still unknown; perhaps they won't reach them.
18. One advantage of traveling on the straight and narrow path is that no one will try to pass you.
19. Most of us need a really good copy machine for doing a whole lot of repeat business.
20. Deep-sea divers have to be people who are all wet.
21. Some people seem to think the expression is really "to make a short story long."

Hagbard Celine
08-02-2004, 07:16 PM
Blue wins 11-10!

:clap:

J.T.
08-02-2004, 07:20 PM
Whooooooooooo!!!!!

Good game team red.

Ebenezer Kohl
08-02-2004, 08:23 PM
Ury entered this one incorrectly. I changed the c in 'FGNFQC' to a g in order to solve it.
The time needed to type this is the difference between winning and losing. :lol:

urysohn
08-02-2004, 08:33 PM
http://www.ics.uci.edu/~eppstein/cryptogram/

I assume this is what y'all were using (it gives me "met mummy")?

:shake:

guess I should have searched on "cryptogram solver" before the challenge. I gave advance warning about it cause I thought you might be able to use the time to put something into Excel to convert the strings for you. Aye, aye, aye. :P

Jables
08-02-2004, 09:24 PM
Ury entered this one incorrectly. I changed the c in 'FGNFQC' to a g in order to solve it.
The time needed to type this is the difference between winning and losing. :lol:

5 seconds between victory and Tribal Council! ;) Way to go, former teammates! : :P

Hagbard Celine
08-03-2004, 07:56 AM
http://www.ics.uci.edu/~eppstein/cryptogram/

That's the one. :oops: