Post Here If You Are Not Voting For Bush/Cheney

[Unfrozen Caveman Lawyer.]

I am not but i really wanted to see who is gonna do it...or at least who isn't afraid to day they are.

[Brad Gile]

Well, count me in. Bush says what he means (oddly at times, but easily understood) and means what he says. Kerry and the others are just clowns who either say nothing or say whatever their audience wants to hear.

Brad

[John F. Kerry]

Well, count me in. Bush says what he means (oddly at times, but easily understood) and means what he says. Kerry and the others are just clowns who either say nothing or say whatever their audience wants to hear.

BradHe says what he means, and does what he says? Like, OBL: dead or alive. Er, I mean, I don't think about him. I won't have a litmus test. Please, do you really believe he would nominate a judge who would not overturn RvW given the chance? Kerry's answer was straight and honest to that question. You are a fool if you don't think Bush says what his audience wants to hear.

[John F. Kerry]

Glad to see you are going to vote for Bush/Cheney, Mr. Atheist.If shekky can post in the Kerry thread, I can post here. Especially if I'm going to be confronted with such mind-numbing drivel as Brad's last post.

[lou]

Mr. Atheist -

I hope you know that John Kerry really respects your decision. Growing up, he was a catholic, and an altar boy, but he really wanted to be an atheist. And he really respects Dick Cheney's daughter, who is not an atheist, but is a lesbian.

Anyway, put me in the Bush camp, begrudgingly.

[Unfrozen Caveman Lawyer.]

Mr. Atheist -

I hope you know that John Kerry really respects your decision. Growing up, he was a catholic, and an altar boy, but he really wanted to be an atheist. And he really respects Dick Cheney's daughter, who is not an atheist, but is a lesbian.

Anyway, put me in the Bush camp, begrudgingly.


what an idiot.

[lou]

Mr. Atheist -

I hope you know that John Kerry really respects your decision. Growing up, he was a catholic, and an altar boy, but he really wanted to be an atheist. And he really respects Dick Cheney's daughter, who is not an atheist, but is a lesbian.

Anyway, put me in the Bush camp, begrudgingly.


what an idiot.

Ouch.

[Unfrozen Caveman Lawyer.]

Mr. Atheist -

I hope you know that John Kerry really respects your decision. Growing up, he was a catholic, and an altar boy, but he really wanted to be an atheist. And he really respects Dick Cheney's daughter, who is not an atheist, but is a lesbian.

Anyway, put me in the Bush camp, begrudgingly.


what an idiot.

Ouch.


do you think such a moranic statement should illicit an articulate response?


how about this...pull something straight out of your ass to make a stupid point, no one is going to pay attention to shit like that. go away.

[lou]

Apparently my sense of humor is not compatible with your own. The sarcasm there was alluding to the fact that Kerry might be considered by some to be a pandering politician.

Maybe you don't find it funny, but I think idiot was a little strong.

Paddy does condescending much better than you, by the way.

[Unfrozen Caveman Lawyer.]

Apparently my sense of humor is not compatible with your own. The sarcasm there was alluding to the fact that Kerry might be considered by some to be a pandering politician.

Maybe you don't find it funny, but I think idiot was a little strong.

Paddy does condescending much better than you, by the way.


ya lost me....

[Moe Szyslak]

Gomer has mastered the quote function, but the butterfly ballot? We can only wait and see if he in fact casts a vote for Bush, or will he accidentally vote for Kerry?

[Elisha]

relcutantly, yes.

[2pac Shakur]

Me.

Diebold is gonna change my vote.

[Uncle Ronny]

Me.

Diebold is gonna change my vote.

:lol:

[2pac Shakur]

I like the way Bush caught those responsible for 9/11.
He also caught those responsible for the anthrax attacks.
That proves he is tough on terror.

[2pac Shakur]

His ability to clear brush is an important quality during these trying times.

[2pac Shakur]

He has proven he knows how to be fiscally responsible.
And that's what good Presidents do.
It's hard work being the President.
He knows that.
He watches TV.

[Unfrozen Caveman Lawyer.]

yes...bush is also NOT dumb.

[John F. Kerry]

Mr. Atheist -

I hope you know that John Kerry really respects your decision. What decision?

[The Diabolical Biz Markie]

Mr. Atheist -

I hope you know that John Kerry really respects your decision. What decision?

Doesn't matter. He respects it, and agrees with it. Whatever it is.

[John F. Kerry]

Mr. Atheist -

I hope you know that John Kerry really respects your decision. What decision?

Doesn't matter. He respects it, and agrees with it. Whatever it is.How could you know that? Are you reading his mind?

[Moe Szyslak]

Gomer has mastered the quote function, but the butterfly ballot? We can only wait and see if he in fact casts a vote for Bush, or will he accidentally vote for Kerry?

Fortunately, we use the draw-a-line-to-make-an-arrow methodology where I vote. No hanging chads here. No siree.

Gomer's Ballot:
________________________

Bush
---------------<--------
Kerry
________________________

[Branwell]

I'm a reluctant Bush/Cheney voter.

[Moe Szyslak]

I'm a reluctant Bush/Cheney voter.If you are going to be reluctant, why not be a reluctant Kerry Edwards voter.

[John F. Kerry]

I'm a reluctant Bush/Cheney voter.If you are going to be reluctant, why not be a reluctant Kerry Edwards voter.That's what I keep wondering about all these reluctant Bush/Cheney people. Everybody sees he's an ass, yet they vote for him anyway. Leadership ya know. He can start wars!

[2pac Shakur]

Paying $2.50/gallon for gas is sweet.
When I fill my gas tank, I say "it's time to pay George".

[lou]

I'm a reluctant Bush/Cheney voter.If you are going to be reluctant, why not be a reluctant Kerry Edwards voter.That's what I keep wondering about all these reluctant Bush/Cheney people. Everybody sees he's an ass, yet they vote for him anyway. Leadership ya know. He can start wars!

I think it is an indictment on the challenger that given all the mismanagement by the current crew, there is still not a motivation to vote for Kerry. I am not so elite as to think that half of America is stupid, so there must be some reason they aren't voting for Kerry.

[lou]

Mr. Atheist -

I hope you know that John Kerry really respects your decision. What decision?

Doesn't matter. He respects it, and agrees with it. Whatever it is.

Exactly. Shekky, I really respect your response, respect has always played a big part in my..........well, you get the idea

[lou]

Paying $2.50/gallon for gas is sweet.
When I fill my gas tank, I say "it's time to pay George".
Aside from building a true coalition, how exactly was JFK going to get the prices down? Nevermind, I forgot, he "has a plan" to get prices down. Sorry for the question

[Guerilla poster]

I'm a reluctant Bush/Cheney voter.If you are going to be reluctant, why not be a reluctant Kerry Edwards voter.That's what I keep wondering about all these reluctant Bush/Cheney people. Everybody sees he's an ass, yet they vote for him anyway. Leadership ya know. He can start wars!

I think it is an indictment on the challenger that given all the mismanagement by the current crew, there is still not a motivation to vote for Kerry. I am not so elite as to think that half of America is stupid, so there must be some reason they aren't voting for Kerry.

This is always a problem you will get with a two party system. Essentially with more parties, you can have one guy appealing to the lefities, one to the fiscal conservatives, one to the social conservatives and maybe one in the middle.

Just as Bush must kiss the ass of social conservatives (if he isn't a standard bearer himself), Kerry must suck up to the lefties. A more moderate candidate, Lieberman, may have appealed to the center but the lefties would have stayed home or voted for nader. So Kerry is probably not a good candidate for those in the middle but in my view Bush is not a good candidate for anyone but the social conservatives. So essentially you have to pick your poison. That decision comes down to who to do trust to screw things up over the next four years the least, based on the last four years I don't have alot of faith in Bush as he seems to make some questionable decisions and then doesn't even realise that he may have to change course slightly to get to the optimal result. That is no way to manage a company let alone the US government. Would Kerry do better? I don't know but in my view he can't do alot worse.

Why aren't people voting for Kerry? he can't pick up the social or fiscal conservative vote so that is about 30-40%. Some people don't want to change leadership in the middle of a 'war' that probably accounts for another 5 to 10% and then you have people are more worried about Kerry's liberal leanings than Bush's wacko religious leanings. So there you have about half the population who won't vote for Kerry. So that leaves the middle 5% of undecided voters to determine whether Bush gets 52% or 47%. I have also felt these people will vote Bush because of the war on terror.

Also, turnout could play a role. I think a huge turnout would probably favor Kerry.

[lou]

Very well written post GP.

I would have likely been able to jump parties and support Lieberman, but his Joe-Mentum never got going.

[NoName]

What goes into my decision to vote for Bush/Cheney:

I would say that there are three main areas to consider: foreign/national security policy; effect on domestic/budgetary lawmaking; and executive/judicial appointments.

The president appoints judges and executive branch officials. These appointees make many thousands of decisions, most of them marginal individually, but adding up to a substantial difference in the way the government operates. Any Republican administration is likely to appoint people who will turn things toward the way I would like to see them, and any Democratic administration will appoint people who will turn things away. In a normal election I would view these appointments as the biggest difference between the candidates, because they are relatively unmitigated by Congressional and public opinion, unlike the other areas. Therefore, this factor alone would in a normal election cause me to vote for the Republican.

In this election, though, the foreign/security policies likely to be undertaken by the two candidates are so different, and in a way that is so likely to be consequential, that they might outweigh the appointments issue for me if the candidates' policies were reversed. Pardon me for some oversimplification, but to me, Kerry's foreign policy instincts are revealed in his long record of such positions as: 1970s, US should unilaterally withdraw from Vietnam and pay reparations to the (inevitably) Communist government that would take over; 1980s, US should not counter the spread of communist dictatorships in Central America and should unilaterally freeze its nuclear programs; 1990s, US should not go to war to expel Iraq from Kuwait, especially not with such a US-heavy coalition as Kerry complained (then) that we had put together. I believe Kerry when he says that his foreign policy thinking has not been significantly affected by September 11; I think it ought to have been. Bush has acted to democratize Afghanistan (with support from Kerry, of course) and Iraq; is for some reason the only world leader who will say that the Palestinians deserve better than to live under Arafat's totalitarianism; and makes no secret of his hope that these places can serve as exemplars for the spread of freedom and democracy throughout the region and that such a spread is important for our own security. His efforts may fail; they may, in fact, fail spectacularly; but I think they are the world's best shot at this point and I think he deserves four more years to try to make it work.

As far as domestic lawmaking and the budget, I disapprove of a lot of what Bush has done. I don't think Kerry would do any better than Bush, if we were electing a dictator, but I think there is a serious argument that he would do better given a Republican congress, because the bad things Kerry would want to do would be different enough from the bad things Congress would want to do to keep things in check. However, this is outweighed, for me, by the other two factors, as well as by my hope that the President can make some progress toward what he calls the ownership society, which is a vision that I basically support although I don't expect to see any serious movement toward it.

[Unfrozen Caveman Lawyer.]

word.

[Father of two]

A sample of the people voting for kerry:

Consider the plight of an anti-Bushie from the state of Washington:


Dear Larry,

Last Thursday, I put out one of my Bush-Cheney signs in my front yard. Between midnight and 3:00 a.m. someone stole it. On Friday night, I put out sign No. 2. Since I didn't have to get up early, I thought my dog and I would "stake out" our sign. This time I put the sign a little closer to the gate leading to my back yard. With my dog on an extra long leash, I planted myself on a lawn chair and read "Unfit for Command" by flashlight until about 1:00 a.m.

Here comes the fun part ... I noticed that the car coming down the street was slowing down and pulling over to the curb right next to my yard. Sure enough, he gets out of his car and heads right for my sign. Just as he was about to uproot and desecrate it, I opened my gate and let my dog make the initial introduction!

As he ran to hide behind the rear end of his car, I promptly moved to the driver-side door, which was still open. It was a fairly nice car with power everything and still running. While my dog continued to "introduce" herself, I rolled up the window and hit the power door lock button. With that, I slammed the door, grabbed my Bush sign and headed into the back yard.

And now for the "rest of the story." About 40 minutes later, I heard a knock at the door. I opened the door to one of our city's finest ... the Vancouver Police Department. The officer asked me what was going on and when I told him, he could not stop laughing!

I followed him out to the perp's car and stood there while he asked the guy a few more questions. Upon learning that the guy lived a couple of streets down, I – knowing what was about to happen – asked him, "Why do you have Oregon plates on your car if you live just down the street (here in Vancouver, Wash.)?"

Larry, Oregon has no sales tax, so often Washington residents will buy and register cars in Oregon to avoid paying sales tax ... it's a crime and the fine is pretty stiff. Here comes the best part ... The look on this guy's face told me he knew he was about to get busted. When the officer asked for his license and registration, the "Democrat" mumbled that (his license) was suspended.

Just for kicks and giggles, I asked the officer if he smelled any alcohol coming from the guy! The officer looked at me, smiled and promptly gave him a field breathalyzer test. Guess what? You got it – he blew a .10, legally drunk in the state of Washington.

DUI, illegal registration and the brand of "MORON," all 'cause he hates Bush!

Sincerely,

John


http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=40592

[John F. Kerry]

A sample of the people voting for kerry:

Consider the plight of an anti-Bushie from the state of Washington:


Dear Larry,

Last Thursday, I put out one of my Bush-Cheney signs in my front yard. Between midnight and 3:00 a.m. someone stole it. On Friday night, I put out sign No. 2. Since I didn't have to get up early, I thought my dog and I would "stake out" our sign. This time I put the sign a little closer to the gate leading to my back yard. With my dog on an extra long leash, I planted myself on a lawn chair and read "Unfit for Command" by flashlight until about 1:00 a.m.

Here comes the fun part ... I noticed that the car coming down the street was slowing down and pulling over to the curb right next to my yard. Sure enough, he gets out of his car and heads right for my sign. Just as he was about to uproot and desecrate it, I opened my gate and let my dog make the initial introduction!

As he ran to hide behind the rear end of his car, I promptly moved to the driver-side door, which was still open. It was a fairly nice car with power everything and still running. While my dog continued to "introduce" herself, I rolled up the window and hit the power door lock button. With that, I slammed the door, grabbed my Bush sign and headed into the back yard.

And now for the "rest of the story." About 40 minutes later, I heard a knock at the door. I opened the door to one of our city's finest ... the Vancouver Police Department. The officer asked me what was going on and when I told him, he could not stop laughing!

I followed him out to the perp's car and stood there while he asked the guy a few more questions. Upon learning that the guy lived a couple of streets down, I – knowing what was about to happen – asked him, "Why do you have Oregon plates on your car if you live just down the street (here in Vancouver, Wash.)?"

Larry, Oregon has no sales tax, so often Washington residents will buy and register cars in Oregon to avoid paying sales tax ... it's a crime and the fine is pretty stiff. Here comes the best part ... The look on this guy's face told me he knew he was about to get busted. When the officer asked for his license and registration, the "Democrat" mumbled that (his license) was suspended.

Just for kicks and giggles, I asked the officer if he smelled any alcohol coming from the guy! The officer looked at me, smiled and promptly gave him a field breathalyzer test. Guess what? You got it – he blew a .10, legally drunk in the state of Washington.

DUI, illegal registration and the brand of "MORON," all 'cause he hates Bush!

Sincerely,

John


http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=40592Let me guess - you actually believe that? I bet Pseudolus could google us up a moron Kerry-sign-stealing story.

The local paper here ran a story about Kerry signs being out-stolen by a 10-1 margin over Bush signs. For what its worth, the district I live in is mostly republican so there would be more Bush signs out. 10-1 seems a little high, don't ya think? What does that say about Bush voters?

[Father of two]

More kerry supporters:

It seems every day when I logon to the internet to read about what has been happening in the world. I seem to always be confronted by a story about what some crazy democrate activist has done. But I never read these on mainline press sites, it seems to only make it onto local press sites. It got so bad, that I started to keep a log:

A swastika was burned into the grass of a Bush-Cheney supporter just because he had a Bush-Cheney campaign sign in HIS front lawn.

Both in Columbus, Ohio and Delaware, they have somehow registered more democratic voters in numbers than the census says there are people that live there.

The Washington State Republican party headquarters was broken into and 3 laptops were stolen. But several other laptops were left behind. The only laptops that were stolen were the ones belonging to the top three leaders.

More than 1,000 democrat voter registration forms and absentee ballot requests may be fradulent in Lake and Summit counties, where investigations of irregularities are broadening. Allegations are tied to ACT and NAACP.

Kerry supporters ransack GOP headquarters in Orlando and two people are injured as they are beat up by these Kerry supporters.

A Pro Kerry force invades a GOP victory center, scream over bullhorns and refuse to leave.

I find this crazy that people who call themselves democrats are trying so hard to destroy the democratic process through intimidation, violence, fear, larceny and much more.

[John F. Kerry]

More kerry supporters:

It seems every day when I logon to the internet to read about what has been happening in the world. I seem to always be confronted by a story about what some crazy democrate activist has done. But I never read these on mainline press sites, it seems to only make it onto local press sites. It got so bad, that I started to keep a log:

A swastika was burned into the grass of a Bush-Cheney supporter just because he had a Bush-Cheney campaign sign in HIS front lawn.

Both in Columbus, Ohio and Delaware, they have somehow registered more democratic voters in numbers than the census says there are people that live there.

The Washington State Republican party headquarters was broken into and 3 laptops were stolen. But several other laptops were left behind. The only laptops that were stolen were the ones belonging to the top three leaders.

More than 1,000 democrat voter registration forms and absentee ballot requests may be fradulent in Lake and Summit counties, where investigations of irregularities are broadening. Allegations are tied to ACT and NAACP.

Kerry supporters ransack GOP headquarters in Orlando and two people are injured as they are beat up by these Kerry supporters.

A Pro Kerry force invades a GOP victory center, scream over bullhorns and refuse to leave.

I find this crazy that people who call themselves democrats are trying so hard to destroy the democratic process through intimidation, violence, fear, larceny and much more. Got a source for that?

2pac posted an article about the Repubs in FL denying 200,000 black votes. At least he had a source. This looks like a lame blogger.

[John F. Kerry]

Speaking of sources, I find it ironic that the guy who admitted to tampering with the 2000 election is posting this tripe. :lol: :rofl:

[Sunny.]

Well, count me in. Bush says what he means (oddly at times, but easily understood) and means what he says. Kerry and the others are just clowns who either say nothing or say whatever their audience wants to hear.

Brad

:tup:, Brad, I completely agree with you. Once again.

[Unfrozen Caveman Lawyer.]

Well, count me in. Bush says what he means (oddly at times, but easily understood) and means what he says. Kerry and the others are just clowns who either say nothing or say whatever their audience wants to hear.

Brad

:tup:, Brad, I am a complete idiot. Once again.


how can he say what he means? he has barely mastered pig latin.

[MountainHawk]

Well, count me in. Bush says what he means (oddly at times, but easily understood) and means what he says. Kerry and the others are just clowns who either say nothing or say whatever their audience wants to hear.

Brad

:tup:, Brad, I am a complete idiot. Once again.


how can he say what he means? he has barely mastered pig latin.


And yet, he's in a dead heat with Kerry. Doesn't say much for John if he can't crush a guy as "dumb" as Bush.

[Unfrozen Caveman Lawyer.]

Well, count me in. Bush says what he means (oddly at times, but easily understood) and means what he says. Kerry and the others are just clowns who either say nothing or say whatever their audience wants to hear.

Brad

:tup:, Brad, I am a complete idiot. Once again.


how can he say what he means? he has barely mastered pig latin.


And yet, he's in a dead heat with Kerry. Doesn't say much for John if he can't crush a guy as "dumb" as Bush.
oh fascinating point...yet you fail to see all the masses who are afraid to form their own thoughts who are folliwing Bush into the lake of fire.

The anti-christ has pretty good competition with the real dude.

[MountainHawk]

lol ... you need serious mental help. Please consult a psycharist, for your own good.

Political views making someone the anti-christ. LMAO.

[Father of two]

Speaking of sources, I find it ironic that the guy who admitted to tampering with the 2000 election is posting this tripe. :lol: :rofl:

The dems are at it again.

http://www.votepair.org/index.php

[cubedbee]

Speaking of sources, I find it ironic that the guy who admitted to tampering with the 2000 election is posting this tripe. :lol: :rofl:

The dems are at it again.

http://www.votepair.org/index.php

Not Dems, and not vote tampering. So, what is it that the not-Dems are at again?

[MountainHawk]

I wonder how many of the swing state people are Republicans promising to vote for Kerry.

[Unfrozen Caveman Lawyer.]

lol ... you need serious mental help. Please consult a psycharist, for your own good.

Political views making someone the anti-christ. LMAO.


really? you need an education.

[Father of two]

Speaking of sources, I find it ironic that the guy who admitted to tampering with the 2000 election is posting this tripe. :lol: :rofl:

The dems are at it again.

http://www.votepair.org/index.php

Not Dems, and not vote tampering. So, what is it that the not-Dems are at again?


About Us
Votepair.org is an exciting joint effort of 20 progressive political activists from across the spectrum and the country. It includes nearly all of the operators of the major vote pairing websites in 2000, including Nader Trader, WinWincampaign.org, Voteexchange2000.com, voteexchange.org and votetrader.org. Through these and other sites, at least 36,000 people, including more than 1,400 in Florida, participated--and we hope they all come back this year and bring their friends. The organizers of votepair.org include Democrats, Greens, and independents. Votepair.org does not receive money from, or give money to, any presidential candidate's campaign.

http://www.votepair.org/aboutus.php

[cubedbee]

Speaking of sources, I find it ironic that the guy who admitted to tampering with the 2000 election is posting this tripe. :lol: :rofl:

The dems are at it again.

http://www.votepair.org/index.php

Not Dems, and not vote tampering. So, what is it that the not-Dems are at again?


About Us
Votepair.org is an exciting joint effort of 20 progressive political activists from across the spectrum and the country. It includes nearly all of the operators of the major vote pairing websites in 2000, including Nader Trader, WinWincampaign.org, Voteexchange2000.com, voteexchange.org and votetrader.org. Through these and other sites, at least 36,000 people, including more than 1,400 in Florida, participated--and we hope they all come back this year and bring their friends. The organizers of votepair.org include Democrats, Greens, and independents. Votepair.org does not receive money from, or give money to, any presidential candidate's campaign.

http://www.votepair.org/aboutus.php

Yes, I said the not-Dems part. Thank you for confirming that for us all. Do you also want to link to something that confirms its not vote tampering?

[Father of two]

Speaking of sources, I find it ironic that the guy who admitted to tampering with the 2000 election is posting this tripe. :lol: :rofl:

The dems are at it again.

http://www.votepair.org/index.php

Not Dems, and not vote tampering. So, what is it that the not-Dems are at again?


About Us
Votepair.org is an exciting joint effort of 20 progressive political activists from across the spectrum and the country. It includes nearly all of the operators of the major vote pairing websites in 2000, including Nader Trader, WinWincampaign.org, Voteexchange2000.com, voteexchange.org and votetrader.org. Through these and other sites, at least 36,000 people, including more than 1,400 in Florida, participated--and we hope they all come back this year and bring their friends. The organizers of votepair.org include Democrats, Greens, and independents. Votepair.org does not receive money from, or give money to, any presidential candidate's campaign.

http://www.votepair.org/aboutus.php

Yes, I said the not-Dems part. Thank you for confirming that for us all. Do you also want to link to something that confirms its not vote tampering?

[Father of two]

Elections officials in several states declared the sites illegal, saying they violated laws prohibiting bartering for ballots. Some of the sites were shut down; others lasted through the election.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A48634-2004Sep24.html

[MountainHawk]

lol ... you need serious mental help. Please consult a psycharist, for your own good.

Political views making someone the anti-christ. LMAO.


really? you need an education.


I'm really sorry I made a typo.

Of course, you can't argue the point of the post, which is that considering someone's political views to declare someone evil, in all but the most extreme cases, is absurd. Intelligent, well meaning people can have a wide variety of political views, all of them equally valid. It's a shame we can have real debates on this board, instead of the 'your candidate is evil and dumb' nonsense that actually goes on in 90% of the threads.

[cubedbee]

Speaking of sources, I find it ironic that the guy who admitted to tampering with the 2000 election is posting this tripe. :lol: :rofl:

The dems are at it again.

http://www.votepair.org/index.php

Not Dems, and not vote tampering. So, what is it that the not-Dems are at again?


About Us
Votepair.org is an exciting joint effort of 20 progressive political activists from across the spectrum and the country. It includes nearly all of the operators of the major vote pairing websites in 2000, including Nader Trader, WinWincampaign.org, Voteexchange2000.com, voteexchange.org and votetrader.org. Through these and other sites, at least 36,000 people, including more than 1,400 in Florida, participated--and we hope they all come back this year and bring their friends. The organizers of votepair.org include Democrats, Greens, and independents. Votepair.org does not receive money from, or give money to, any presidential candidate's campaign.

http://www.votepair.org/aboutus.php

Yes, I said the not-Dems part. Thank you for confirming that for us all. Do you also want to link to something that confirms its not vote tampering?

Usually when one speaks of something done "by the Democrats" one means "by a group of democrats" and not "by a group of numerous political leanings, including democrats"

[Father of two]

Speaking of sources, I find it ironic that the guy who admitted to tampering with the 2000 election is posting this tripe. :lol: :rofl:

The dems are at it again.

http://www.votepair.org/index.php

Not Dems, and not vote tampering. So, what is it that the not-Dems are at again?


About Us
Votepair.org is an exciting joint effort of 20 progressive political activists from across the spectrum and the country. It includes nearly all of the operators of the major vote pairing websites in 2000, including Nader Trader, WinWincampaign.org, Voteexchange2000.com, voteexchange.org and votetrader.org. Through these and other sites, at least 36,000 people, including more than 1,400 in Florida, participated--and we hope they all come back this year and bring their friends. The organizers of votepair.org include Democrats, Greens, and independents. Votepair.org does not receive money from, or give money to, any presidential candidate's campaign.

http://www.votepair.org/aboutus.php

Yes, I said the not-Dems part. Thank you for confirming that for us all. Do you also want to link to something that confirms its not vote tampering?

Usually when one speaks of something done "by the Democrats" one means "by a group of democrats" and not "by a group of numerous political leanings, including democrats"

If you want to continue to believe that the dems have nothing to gain and are not the force behind this then go ahead. The dems gain the most from this.

[Harry]

Speaking of sources, I find it ironic that the guy who admitted to tampering with the 2000 election is posting this tripe. :lol: :rofl:

The dems are at it again.

http://www.votepair.org/index.php

Not Dems, and not vote tampering. So, what is it that the not-Dems are at again?


About Us
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Yes, I said the not-Dems part. Thank you for confirming that for us all. Do you also want to link to something that confirms its not vote tampering?

Usually when one speaks of something done "by the Democrats" one means "by a group of democrats" and not "by a group of numerous political leanings, including democrats"

If you want to continue to believe that the dems have nothing to gain and are not the force behind this then go ahead. The dems gain the most from this.

Yes, as we all know, Republican supporters don't cheat. Others here have pointed that out as well. Good job.

[Sunny.]

lol ... you need serious mental help. Please consult a psycharist, for your own good.

Political views making someone the anti-christ. LMAO.


really? you need an education.


I'm really sorry I made a typo.

Of course, you can't argue the point of the post, which is that considering someone's political views to declare someone evil, in all but the most extreme cases, is absurd. Intelligent, well meaning people can have a wide variety of political views, all of them equally valid. It's a shame we can have real debates on this board, instead of the 'your candidate is evil and dumb' nonsense that actually goes on in 90% of the threads.

That explains why I don't come to the political anymore.

It also explains the mental state of the people that do come.

Of course, what does that say about this board?

[Unfrozen Caveman Lawyer.]

Of course, what does that say about this board?


what does it say? esp given they let you back in....:lol:

[Unfrozen Caveman Lawyer.]

lol ... you need serious mental help. Please consult a psycharist, for your own good.

Political views making someone the anti-christ. LMAO.


really? you need an education.


I'm really sorry I made a typo.

Of course, you can't argue the point of the post, which is that considering someone's political views to declare someone evil, in all but the most extreme cases, is absurd. Intelligent, well meaning people can have a wide variety of political views, all of them equally valid. It's a shame we can have real debates on this board, instead of the 'your candidate is evil and dumb' nonsense that actually goes on in 90% of the threads.

argue the point of your pointless post? fine, i guess i can't do it....and based on what you said you grossly misinterpreted what i said, and you are calling me unintelligent and not well meaning...boo hoo...

please tell me what substance you have just added to this thread.

(and it is not just a typo...you missed 2 letters dude...that is pure stupidity.)


word.

[Truth Soldier]

A Lakewood Republican stealing campaign signs late one night got nabbed when he ran across a low- hanging driveway chain, fell face first onto a pilfered sign and the concrete and knocked himself unconscious.

:rofl: Bush supporters!

Link (http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/election/article/0,1299,DRMN_36_3264139,00.html)

[Harry]

A Lakewood Republican stealing campaign signs late one night got nabbed when he ran across a low- hanging driveway chain, fell face first onto a pilfered sign and the concrete and knocked himself unconscious.

:rofl: Bush supporters!

Link (http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/election/article/0,1299,DRMN_36_3264139,00.html)

How did Father of Two miss that one? :lol:

[Father of two]

September 23 2004


In the words of the family whose car was vandalized:


My wife and I are former Democrats. Until the 1998 election, we rarely voted for someone other than a Democrat. Since then, we have rarely voted for a Democrat and it is almost always for a Republican.

We have never been much for political yard signs or bumper stickers, but this year, when we were at the State Fair, we decided to buy Bush/Cheney bumper stickers for our cars.

I needed to leave my car outside, but in the driveway, overnight on the night of September 23, 2004. When I left for work on the morning of the 24th, I sure was surprised at what I found! (See attached photo.)

The hole was much smaller when I first discovered it. It grew in size as a result of shutting the car door. Lakeville Police think it was shot out, most likely with a BB gun. (Rather ironic when the Democrats are a party of non-violence!) I did file a police report and can provide the case number if you wish to verify my photo/story. The police officer said sign vandalism in this area is happening about 6:1 against people who support Bush/Cheney. http://www.whenangrydemocratsattack.com/shatteredwindow_sm.jpg

http://www.whenangrydemocratsattack.com/

[Unfrozen Caveman Lawyer.]

September 23 2004


In the words of the family whose car was vandalized:


My wife and I are former Democrats. Until the 1998 election, we rarely voted for someone other than a Democrat. Since then, we have rarely voted for a Democrat and it is almost always for a Republican.

We have never been much for political yard signs or bumper stickers, but this year, when we were at the State Fair, we decided to buy Bush/Cheney bumper stickers for our cars.

I needed to leave my car outside, but in the driveway, overnight on the night of September 23, 2004. When I left for work on the morning of the 24th, I sure was surprised at what I found! (See attached photo.)

The hole was much smaller when I first discovered it. It grew in size as a result of shutting the car door. Lakeville Police think it was shot out, most likely with a BB gun. (Rather ironic when the Democrats are a party of non-violence!) I did file a police report and can provide the case number if you wish to verify my photo/story. The police officer said sign vandalism in this area is happening about 6:1 against people who support Bush/Cheney. http://www.whenangrydemocratsattack.com/shatteredwindow_sm.jpg

http://www.whenangrydemocratsattack.com/


Looks like they deserved to have their window smashed. I would have done the same thing.

GO KERRY/EDWARDS!!!!!!

[Harry]

OK, FOT, this article should end the nonsense, unless you still can't take off your blinders.

KANSAS CITY, Mo. (Reuters) - Two weeks before a tight presidential election, tension among bitterly divided voters is translating into a barrage of attacks on political targets that can't talk back -- yard signs.

Campaign signs depicting support for either President Bush (news - web sites) or Democratic challenger John Kerry (news - web sites) are being burned, chopped down, spray-painted and commonly, stolen away in the dark of night. There were reports even of a hatchet left in one and a swastika burned into a lawn sporting a Bush sign.

Though sign shenanigans are common in election years, some Republican leaders are calling this year's activity unprecedented. Democratic leaders say attacks are so rampant that supporters should take their yard signs inside at night to protect them.

"A lot of folks are doing sign stake-outs right now," said Democratic National Committee (news - web sites) spokesman Tony Welch.

Bush and Kerry are locked in a tight battle and have waged an increasingly vitriolic campaign in advance of the Nov. 2 election. The race has again shown a U.S. electorate narrowly divided.

Lawn signs in swing states such as Missouri, Michigan, Ohio, and Pennsylvania have come under attack, and emotions appear to be running high even in traditionally tame states like Kansas.

"I was outraged," said Lis Ross of Fairway, Kansas, whose "Kansans for Kerry" sign disappeared last week. "What made it worse was that they replaced it with a Bush-Cheney sign. I ran out there and ripped it into little pieces."

Perpetrators are rarely caught and penalties vary widely if they are ever enforced.

In Missouri, the theft of signs supporting Kerry and his running mate, North Carolina Sen. John Edwards (news - web sites), is so pervasive that the Cole County Democratic Party in the state capital of Jefferson City this week issued a $1,000 reward to help catch the perpetrators.

"This is the worst year ever," said county party Chairman Thomas Minihan, who reported that even over-sized signs posted on area highways had been swiped. "It's costing us twice as much as normal."

In Michigan, a Bush supporter caught men in the act of chopping down his Bush-Cheney sign. The vandals ran away but left the hatchet in the sign.

In Ohio, two men were reportedly caught on videotape urinating on a Bush-Cheney sign, and in Madison, Wisconsin, someone burned a swastika into a lawn with a Bush sign.

Some people are working overtime to protect their signs. Mark Shemet of Jaffrey, New Hampshire, has had to replace two stolen Kerry signs in the last week alone. Pennsylvania Democrats have threatened to spread itching powder on signs to keep the opposition at bay, and an Illinois family last week covered their yard sign with petroleum jelly to repel thieves.

The antics have also reached beyond Republicans and Democrats. Someone in Kansas City made off with John Crowe's yard sign for Libertarian presidential candidate Michael Badnarick last weekend, though the neighbors' Bush-Cheney signs were untouched, he said.

The actions have left both sides angry and frustrated.

"We would hope that we could keep the political discourse above the level of yard sign thievery and defacement," said Michigan GOP spokesman Chris Paolino.

But some political scientists think the activity may be a good thing.

"People really care about this election and this is one way to show it," said Richard Valelly, a research fellow at the Center for the Study of Democratic Politics at Princeton University. "It's American politics."

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=615&e=2&u=/nm/campaign_vandals_dc

[Father of two]

Woman accused of defacing Bush re-election signs
The Kitsap Sun (Bremerton, Washington) ^ | October 11, 2004 | Derek Sheppard


Posted on 10/11/2004 10:09:54 AM PDT by Stoat


Woman accused of defacing Bush re-election signs
By Derek Sheppard, Sun Staff
October 11, 2004

A woman allegedly told sheriff's deputies that she's been politically "active" with her yellow paint, and two people called authorities Saturday to report her activities in Central Kitsap.

Bush/Cheney campaign signs on Silverdale Way and Waaga Way were slathered in a layer of scuba-yellow paint Saturday, and deputies spoke on the phone with a woman who they said admitted to doing it.




"I've been quite active with the yellow paint," the woman allegedly told deputies.

The 49-year-old Chimacum woman accused of painting the signs told Kitsap County Sheriff's Deputies she didn't know defacing a political sign was a crime, the act wasn't malicious, and she was practicing her right to free speech, according to deputies' reports.

The deputy cited the law against defacing political signs, and reminded her that vandalizing property is not the proper way to exercise free speech, the report said.

Deputies contacted the woman Saturday after getting a call from a two witnesses who alleged they saw the woman paint the signs during the day and one alleged the woman attached a picture of President Bush with a beard and turban. The attached sign read "Impeach Bush the Butcher," the report said.

During the telephone conversation with the deputy, the Chimacum woman allegedly admitted to painting signs, and said she'd been doing it for about a month in the area. She also told the deputy that she had painted a campaign sign near the Hood Canal Bridge several times, but that someone kept replacing it, the report said.

She said the signs troubled her and that she was would be suspicious of political motivations if charges were pursued.

"I don't want to be made an example of," she told the deputy, according to the report.
The report was forwarded to prosecutors for the possibility of misdemeanor charges and the woman was not arrested.

Several reports of vandalized political signs in Kitsap for Democratic and Republican candidates have surfaced during this year's campaign season.




http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1241734/posts

[Harry]

Several reports of vandalized political signs in Kitsap for Democratic and Republican candidates have surfaced during this year's campaign season.


:lol: Thanks!! I hope those blinders aren't on too tight.

[Father of two]

http://www.whenangrydemocratsattack.com/defaced_bc_sign_5sm.jpg

[Harry]

Several reports of vandalized political signs in Kitsap for Democratic and Republican candidates have surfaced during this year's campaign season.

:lol:

[Father of two]

Husband, Wife Arrested For Allegedly Destroying Political Sign(Bush/Cheney Sign)
wbal ^


Posted on 10/06/2004 6:39:03 AM PDT by esryle


ELLICOTT CITY, Md. -- Howard County police have arrested a husband and wife for the destruction of a political sign in Ellicott City. Police said Peter Lizon, 30 and Stephanie Louise Lizon, 34, both of Randallstown, were charged with destruction of property. Police observed them cutting down a Bush-Cheney sign on U.S. Route 40 during a surveillance operation over the weekend. Investigators said a number of Republican political signs have been vandalized over the last few weeks in Ellicott City. Police set up a surveillance operation last week and saw Cory Robert Cooke, 33, of Ellicott City, cut down a Bush-Cheney sign. Following Cooke's arrest, another sign was destroyed, so police continued their observations. Over the weekend, they observed the Lizons cutting down the sign and arrested the couple immediately. Police continue to investigate other cases, including signs what were cut, painted and burned. It is not known if Cooke or the Lizons will face additional charges.


(Excerpt) Read more at thewbalchannel.com ...



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[Harry]

Several reports of vandalized political signs in Kitsap for Democratic and Republican candidates have surfaced during this year's campaign season.

:lol:

[Father of two]

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE CONTACT: RANDY WANKE
October 5, 2004 651-222-0022
Anger Inc.
Angry Kerry Activists Lay Siege to Bush
Office in St. Paul, Intimidate Voters
ST. PAUL – On the same day that someone fired shots into the windows at the
Bush/Cheney campaign headquarters in Knoxville, Tennessee, angry Kerry
supporters laid siege to the Bush headquarters in St. Paul Minnesota today.“Today’s siege on the Bush/Cheney headquarters in St. Paul was an attempt
by Democrats and the Kerry campaign to intimidate voters who were picking
up tickets to see the President,” said Republican Party of Minnesota State Chair
Ron Eibensteiner. “The Minnesota Kerry Campaign and DFL are ruled by an
angry mob mentality that has nothing positive to offer Minnesota voters.”
Today Kerry supporters blocked the entrance to the Bush campaign’s Minnesota
headquarters with buses and proceeded to rush into the headquarters in a clear
attempt to intimidate voters who were picking up tickets to see the President this
Saturday. (Photos of the Kerry campaign’s tactics are attached.)
Eibensteiner called on DFL Chair Mike Erlandson and Kerry’s Minnesota campaign
to immediately cease these kinds of intimidation tactics. “Lately, the DFL Party and
Kerry Campaign can be best described as Anger Incorporated,” said
Eibensteiner. “They need to stop their escalation of these intimidation tactics
before someone gets hurt.”
Eibensteiner pointed out other instances where out-of-control Kerry supporters have
intimidated voters. For example, at the Gophers football game last weekend, a Kerry
supporter physically assaulted a female College Republican who was handing out
flyers supporting the President. In a similar incident, Kerry supporters assaulted
College Republicans at the Minnesota State Fair. During the incident, the union
members elbowed two College Republicans in the head and threw them to the
ground. Also, DFL Party officials have yet to repudiate a bumper sticker, which was
handed out from their party headquarters comparing President Bush to Adolf Hitler.
“Anger is no substitute for optimistic leadership,” said Eibensteiner. “Through
their actions, Democrats have shown themselves incapable of governing
themselves, much less our nation, during these challenging times.”
(Photos from today’s office siege are attached.)
REPUBLICAN PARTY OF MINNESOTA
525 PARK STREET, SUITE 250
ST. PAUL, MN 55103
TELEPHONE: 651-222-0022
FACSIMILE: 651-224-4122

http://www.whenangrydemocratsattack.com/angerinc.pdf

[Harry]

this is fun :roll:


In Eden Prairie, a woman frustrated by the theft of her John Kerry yard signs put a video camera next to the window and caught teenagers in the act as they slowed to a stop and pulled the sign out of the yard.


The residents of one house on East River Road in Minneapolis have taken their Kerry sign and put it inside their door. On the lawn two signs have replaced it, saying: "They stole the last election, and now they stole my Kerry-Edwards sign! Vote Nov. 2."

In Cobb County, Georgia, last month a Republican state Senate candidate admitted that he approved a plan to steal his opponent's signs after dozens of his signs were stolen. He went on to win the election with no Democratic opposition.

In Minnesota, officials for the Kerry-Edwards campaign say they have recorded 600 incidents of signs being stolen or defaced.

http://www.startribune.com/stories/587/5025869.html

[Father of two]

Men videotaped vandalizing sign

Summit elections official catches culprits tearing down Bush-Cheney poster

By Marilyn Miller and Andale Gross

Beacon Journal staff writers

Two men who tore down a Bush-Cheney sign and urinated on it were caught on videotape by Summit County Republican officials early Friday morning.

The videotape shows the men sneaking into the yard of a West Market Street home and bending the sign to the ground. The men struggled to rip the sign out of the ground by shaking it and pulling it but couldn't get it off the posts, so they knocked it down. Sounds heard on the tape suggest the men urinated on the sign. They were white males, about 30 to 35 years old, well-dressed and well-groomed. They parked across the street in what police think was a foreign car, a Toyota or Honda.

The homeowner, Steve Kotsatos, who is also assistant to the director of the Summit County Board of Elections, called Akron police dispatchers at 10:38 a.m. Friday and told them about how his campaign sign was vandalized.

He said he caught the vandals on a night-vision camera he had installed the day before.

``A couple of days ago my neighbor's sign was set on fire with a blowtorch so I figured I might be next,'' Kotsatos said. ``This is not only criminal damaging but a safety hazard.''

The large 4-by-8-foot, red, white and blue sign was tipped over in Kotsatos' yard about 1 a.m. Friday.

John Kerry's name was scrawled across Bush's name in black marker on one side of the sign -- the work of previous vandals, Kotsatos said.

He discovered the bent sign at 6:45 a.m.

Police took a report of the incident and retrieved a copy of the videotape to review. No arrests have been made.

[Harry]

You don't think anyone is reading these do you? :lol:

[Moe Szyslak]

There are some feuding neighbors down the street from me. Feuding in the sense that each is trying to put up more yard signs than the other. It started as each one having the Presidential Ticket for their party, than one decided to plaster his trailer (the kind you pull behing a pickup and haul stuf in) with giant Bush/Cheney stickers. Then the other added one for governor. I just drove past the place, and they each added a bunch more, I think each has about 6 or 7 in their yard for various candidates. Pretty funny stuff.

[Harry]

There are some feuding neighbors down the street from me. Feuding in the sense that each is trying to put up more yard signs than the other. It started as each one having the Presidential Ticket for their party, than one decided to plaster his trailer (the kind you pull behing a pickup and haul stuf in) with giant Bush/Cheney stickers. Then the other added one for governor. I just drove past the place, and they each added a bunch more, I think each has about 6 or 7 in their yard for various candidates. Pretty funny stuff.

So now we know where FoT lives...but who is his neighbor that likes Kerry?

[Father of two]

http://images.washtimes.com/photos/full/20040917-010916-1500.jpg

[Cardoza]

FOT, you are starting to look like a real jerk.

[Father of two]

http://www.whenangrydemocratsattack.com/james_vandalism1sm.jpg

Sidewalk and signs defaced -- note swastikas spray painted by vandals

http://www.whenangrydemocratsattack.com/james_vandalism2sm.jpg

Signs defaced -- "Nazi" and "Liar" scrawled across signs on private property

http://www.whenangrydemocratsattack.com/

[Darth Vader]

Hundreds of yard signs supporting Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry (news - web sites) have been stolen and vandalized in Pensacola, Fla., a heavily Republican region known as “Bush Country,” prompting some Kerry supporters to hang signs from trees to deter burglars.

About 350 signs have been stolen, according to Panhandle for Kerry organizers, who met with Pensacola police Monday. The group has distributed nearly 3,400 signs.

Police said they would increase patrols, and Kerry supporters planned to conduct neighborhood watches, said the group’s chairman, Jerry Holt.

“We have the availability, the funds and the will to replace every sign when we find out it’s missing,” Holt said.

Pensacola resident Anne Bennett lost four Kerry signs from her front yard before putting out a homemade sign that read, “Nice people don’t steal or vandalize.” She hung her latest sign from a tree limb 15 feet in the air.

“It’s like you don’t have a right to participate in the public debate unless you are in the majority, and that is not one of the principles on which our country was founded,” Bennett said.

[Darth Vader]

http://www.pensacolanewsjournal.com/newsweaverincludes/photos/content/CBC81402-3735-47CE-AD3C-FC9AB7593026.jpg

[Darth Vader]

Vandals have done more than $3,000 worth of damage to Hattiesburg Democrats' political signs over the past few months, including targeting the large sign hanging above the local Democratic campaign headquarters along U.S. 49 South.
"They started with a knife through the American flag logo (on the sign) which has surely got to outrage the staunchest Republican in Hattiesburg," said Bill Odom, local campaign director for the Kerry campaign. "That's beneath contempt."

Additionally, a Kerry-Edwards billboard in Hattiesburg repeatedly has been targeted by vandals who have broken it down even after it was reinforced with iron. Odom didn't want to publicize its location.

"They're clearly looking for a confrontation," Odom said. "It's dangerous is what it amounts to."

Additionally, Odom reports hundreds of Democratic yard signs have been stolen and hundreds of bumper stickers have been peeled off automobiles in the city.

"It seems to be particularly vicious and particularly persistent," Odom said. "It's clearly organized. They sweep out over the city and kill off a whole bunch of yard signs and basically they have kept us plowing through supplies of yard signs because the individual supporter has to constantly replenish them."

He has reported the vandalism to Hattiesburg police

[Darth Vader]

Edward Carpenter is positive his John Kerry and Lincoln Davis signs were in his front yard when he went to bed Monday night.
When he awoke Tuesday morning, the signs were missing.

"They are completely gone," Carpenter said. "It is obvious they were stolen and probably destroyed."

He also noted that other Kerry signs in his neighborhood have turned up missing.

At the same time, Bush signs in his neighborhood have appeared to have gone untouched.

"They only take the Kerry signs," he said.

Carpenter is one of many political advocates in Tullahoma to report stolen or vandalized signs.

Rosa Lee Moore, a volunteer with the Democratic Party, also had her signs taken from her yard.

"They were repaired and we placed them back up," Ms. Moore said. "I don't want to accuse anyone because I don't know who did it."

Although Carpenter believes his signs were stolen by a Bush supporter, both the Republican and Democratic headquarters are having a difficult time replacing missing signs.

"It goes both ways. I have heard of Judd Matheny signs being pulled out of trees," said Hope Myers, vice chairman of the Coffee County Republicans.

Ms. Myers said that at the Republican meetings she tells all attendees young and old "you should never take another parties sign."

"Everybody has the right to express his or her opinion. You can't have a ball game without both sides represented. It just wouldn't be as fun," she said.

Liz Allen, president of the Democratic Women;s Club in Tullahoma, said vandalism and theft of signs have been experienced by both parities.

"We have heard from Republicans that have had their signs stolen too. It's an election year. It's very contested and unfortunately these things happen," Mrs. Allen said.

Mrs. Allen, who lives on Wilson Avenue, said she has had glass jars, whiskey bottles and trash thrown at her signs and at the side of her house.

Instead of getting upset she goes outside and sweeps up the trash.

"It may not been be anybody with political intentions, it could have been a bunch of kids," Mrs. Allen said.

Frances Painter, 79, has lived in Tullahoma all of her life and said she has never seen an election where sign destruction was so widespread.

"I'm sorry to see anyone in Tullahoma doing this - it distresses me," Mrs. Painter said. "I expect more of Tullahoma and I'm sorry to say it is occurring."

[Father of two]

An Ellicott City homeowner said he awoke early yesterday to the crackling sound of a fire that burned two large Republican signs he had erected the previous day on his front lawn.

Howard County police arrested an Ellicott City man last night on charges of destroying a separate Bush-Cheney sign. They are investigating whether he might have been responsible for damaging numerous other Republican signs over the past several days, said spokeswoman Sherry Llewellyn.

In the burning incident, Jim McQuarry, of the 10100 block of Old Frederick Road, said he was sleeping with the window open about 1 a.m. yesterday when he heard the fire that consumed the election signs - a 4-foot-by- 8-foot sign supporting the Bush-Cheney ticket and a 2-foot-by-8- foot sign promoting state Sen. E.J. Pipkin’s bid for the U.S. Senate.
….
McQuarry said he was outraged by the incident, which occurred near the road, about 100 feet from his home.

He said that he was concerned for the safety of his wife and four young children, but that he planned to put up new signs.

“I’m not going to be weak and let them control my life,” McQuarry said.



http://www.davidwissing.com/index.php?p=2560

[fallout]

I would put both signs on my lawn and wait for the vandals to come and fight on the lawn.

Maybe make some popcorn.

[Darth Vader]

LAFAYETTE — Vandals set fire to signs and wrote pro-President Bush messages on the front of Lafayette’s Democratic Party Headquarters, the second time the office was hit by vandals.

The remnants of a small fire fueled with John Kerry/John Edwards campaign signs remained on the front steps of the headquarters at 310 Buchanan St. in downtown Lafayette on Thursday morning.

A mixture of ash from the fire and what appeared to be motor oil was used to smear “4+ GWB” across the front windows and “W” on the headquarters’ door.

The office was closed Thursday because of Hurricane Ivan. The building’s owner found the damage Thursday morning when he checked on the building, said Lexi Thompson, state director of the National Coordinated Campaign.

“Obviously, this vandalism is an attempt to intimidate volunteers and the Democratic effort,” said Mike Skinner of Lafayette, chairman of the Louisiana Democratic Party. “This is not Iraq. This is Louisiana. Issues will decide this election, not intimidation.”

The situation could have been even more dangerous because the fire was set at the front door of the headquarters, Thompson said.

“Thank God we didn’t have anybody here this morning,” she said. “They were trying to harm us.”

The incident has not deterred Democratic Party officials.

“If anything, it cements our belief that we’re doing the right thing,” said Stephen Handwerk, Lafayette Parish Democratic Party executive committee member. “It’s unfortunate people would do something as juvenile as this.”

Lafayette City Police and the Fire Department were called. Attempted arson is being investigated.

Skinner said it’s the second time this location has been vandalized. Recently, campaign signs were torn up and thrown into the street in front of the office and a bottle was shattered on the sidewalk in front of the door.

Bush campaign officials in Louisiana and Arlington, Va., did not immediately return calls for comment, the Associated Press reported.

[Darth Vader]

http://www.acadiananow.com/newsweaverincludes/photos/content/BB71D3D6-FD2D-4330-9133-476E8C089BD1.jpg

[Father of two]

http://www.kgw.com/news-local/stories/L_IMAGE.ff6874ac29.93.88.fa.7c.1cc60533.jpg

First it was stolen signs, now political vandals are targeting cars.
Some residents in Portland’s Laurelhurst neighborhood woke up Sunday morning and found their cars had been spray-painted with crude anti-Bush messages, police said.

At least two cars were vandalized. Police said vandals strike during every election season, but the spray-painted cars count as some of the worst vandalism they’ve seen yet.

The crimes are being investigated, authorities said. They are urging anyone who saw anything suspicious in the Laurelhurst area Saturday night or early Sunday morning to call police.



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[Darth Vader]

Shouldn't you be figuring out a way to tamper with the election again this year?

[cubedbee]

Clearly, both sides are vandalizing the other. I think you two can stop the pissing at each other, unless you really enjoy golden showers. Political Yard Sign Wars Wage as Election Nears

Wed Oct 20,10:27 AM ET Oddly Enough - Reuters


By Carey Gillam

KANSAS CITY, Mo. (Reuters) - Two weeks before a tight U.S. presidential election, tension among bitterly divided voters is translating into a barrage of attacks on political targets that can't talk back - yard signs.

Campaign signs depicting support for either President Bush (news - web sites) or Democratic challenger John Kerry (news - web sites) are being burned, chopped down, spray-painted and commonly, stolen away in the dark of night. There were reports even of a hatchet left in one and a swastika burned into a lawn sporting a Bush sign.


Though sign shenanigans are common in election years, some Republican leaders are calling this year's activity unprecedented. Democratic leaders say attacks are so rampant that supporters should take their yard signs inside at night to protect them.


"A lot of folks are doing sign stake-outs right now," said Democratic National Committee (news - web sites) spokesman Tony Welch.


Bush and Kerry are locked in a tight battle and have waged an increasingly vitriolic campaign in advance of the Nov. 2 election. The race has again shown a U.S. electorate narrowly divided.


Lawn signs in swing states such as Missouri, Michigan, Ohio, and Pennsylvania have come under attack, and emotions appear to be running high even in traditionally tame states like Kansas.


"I was outraged," said Lis Ross of Fairway, Kansas, whose "Kansans for Kerry" sign disappeared last week. "What made it worse was that they replaced it with a Bush-Cheney sign. I ran out there and ripped it into little pieces."


Perpetrators are rarely caught and penalties vary widely if they are ever enforced.


In Missouri, the theft of signs supporting Kerry and his running mate, North Carolina Sen. John Edwards (news - web sites), is so pervasive that the Cole County Democratic Party in the state capital of Jefferson City this week issued a $1,000 reward to help catch the perpetrators.


"This is the worst year ever," said county party Chairman Thomas Minihan, who reported that even over-sized signs posted on area highways had been swiped. "It's costing us twice as much as normal."


In Michigan, a Bush supporter caught men in the act of chopping down his Bush-Cheney sign. The vandals ran away but left the hatchet in the sign.


In Ohio, two men were reportedly caught on videotape urinating on a Bush-Cheney sign, and in Madison, Wisconsin, someone burned a swastika into a lawn with a Bush sign.


Some people are working overtime to protect their signs. Mark Shemet of Jaffrey, New Hampshire, has had to replace two stolen Kerry signs in the last week alone. Pennsylvania Democrats have threatened to spread itching powder on signs to keep the opposition at bay, and an Illinois family last week covered their yard sign with petroleum jelly to repel thieves.


The antics have also reached beyond Republicans and Democrats. Someone in Kansas City made off with John Crowe's yard sign for Libertarian presidential candidate Michael Badnarick last weekend, though the neighbors' Bush-Cheney signs were untouched, he said.


The actions have left both sides angry and frustrated.


"We would hope that we could keep the political discourse above the level of yard sign thievery and defacement," said Michigan GOP spokesman Chris Paolino.


But some political scientists think the activity may be a good thing.


"People really care about this election and this is one way to show it," said Richard Valelly, a research fellow at the Center for the Study of Democratic Politics at Princeton University. "It's American politics." (Additional Reporting by Tom Brown in Detroit and Greg Frost in Boston)

[Father of two]

Shouldn't you be figuring out a way to tamper with the election again this year?

All ready signed up for http://www.votepair.org/

[Darth Vader]

Clearly, both sides are vandalizing the other. I think you two can stop the pissing at each other, unless you really enjoy golden showers. It's clear to everyone but father of two. I was just trying to educate him.

[Darth Vader]

Shouldn't you be figuring out a way to tamper with the election again this year?

All ready signed up for http://www.votepair.org/Thanks for the link.

[cubedbee]

Knock yourself out, FoT. :lol:

Could George Bush supporters sabotage the vote pairing effort to help Bush while hurting John Kerry, David Cobb, Ralph Nader or Michael Badnarik?

Theoretically, this kind of subterfuge could happen, but it will not affect the outcome in the Electoral College. Bush supporters who register intending fraud would have two options:

1. Pose as third-party supporters from swing states. They then would be paired with Kerry voters from safe states. This would decrease the number of Kerry votes in safe states, which would not affect the outcome in those states. (Votepair.org defines safe states very conservatively to ensure that these states remain safe regardless of the impact of vote pairing.)

2. Pose as Kerry supporters from safe states. They then would be paired with Cobb/Nader/Badnarik voters from swing states. This would decrease the number of third party votes in swing states, a strategy counter to the aims of the Bush campaign, which believes that the fracturing of the progressive vote in swing states benefits Bush.

[Father of two]

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September 14 - Travelers on northbound Highway 97 south of Bend over the weekend and on Monday might have noticed an unusual place for political advocacy, as vandals spray-painted large “NO BUSH” slogans right on the roadway.

An Oregon Department of Transportation crew headed out Monday afternoon and covered over the orange lettering, which stretched for about 30 yards by the Lava River Caves turnoff, just south of Lava Butte.

“The department’s policy is to try to get out there within 24 hours, because graffiti tends to attract more graffiti,” said ODOT spokeswoman Julianne Repman. “They had to close a lane, so it puts our crew in danger.”

If the culprits could be identified and caught – a mighty big if – the vandalism accusation would be “definitely fineable,” Repman said. “I can’t believe somebody would go out into the highway and spray-paint something. I guess people are really fired up this year.”

Informed of the roadway sign-painting, Pat Ackley, chairwoman of the Deschutes County Democratic Central Committee, at first joked, “I admire their reckless advocacy. Go Highway 97 taggers!” But she quickly added that she wasn’t serious: “We can’t afford to start a trend, or lose a single vote to traffic accidents.”

Indeed, Repman said such on-the-road graffiti poses a hazard to highway travelers. “There is definitely a safety-distraction concern with paint like that on the highway,” Repman said.


http://www.bend.com/news/ar_view%5E3Far_id%5E3D17918.htm

[cubedbee]

By the way, I am in Maryland, which they classify as a swing state, so I can confirm that their classification is extremely conservative. Probably only DC, NY, and one or two small New England states are considered safe.

[Darth Vader]

Knock yourself out, FoT. :lol:

Could George Bush supporters sabotage the vote pairing effort to help Bush while hurting John Kerry, David Cobb, Ralph Nader or Michael Badnarik?

Theoretically, this kind of subterfuge could happen, but it will not affect the outcome in the Electoral College. Bush supporters who register intending fraud would have two options:

1. Pose as third-party supporters from swing states. They then would be paired with Kerry voters from safe states. This would decrease the number of Kerry votes in safe states, which would not affect the outcome in those states. (Votepair.org defines safe states very conservatively to ensure that these states remain safe regardless of the impact of vote pairing.)

2. Pose as Kerry supporters from safe states. They then would be paired with Cobb/Nader/Badnarik voters from swing states. This would decrease the number of third party votes in swing states, a strategy counter to the aims of the Bush campaign, which believes that the fracturing of the progressive vote in swing states benefits Bush.:lol: FoT is such a tool. :lol:

[Father of two]

They’re at it again. Liberals have created a web site, VotePair.org , to encourage Nader voters to swap their votes with Kerry voters. This is definitely unethical and probably illegal.

So what can you do about this latest Democrat dirty trick? You could simply go to VotePair.org and sign up as a Nader voter. You don’t even have to use your real name, state and e-mail. You could, for instance, pretend to be a Nader voter in a swing state (FL, OH, WI, MO, MN, OR, NM, IA, PA, MI.) If you do sign up as a Nader voter, you’ll get an e-mail from your vote-trading partner in a couple of weeks. Play along and enjoy!

If a few thousand people do this, that would wreck VotePair . Vote traders wouldn’t know if they were trading with a real Nader voter, or just throwing their vote away.

[Darth Vader]

They’re at it again. Liberals have created a web site, VotePair.org , to encourage Nader voters to swap their votes with Kerry voters. This is definitely unethical and probably illegal.

So what can you do about this latest Democrat dirty trick? You could simply go to VotePair.org and sign up as a Nader voter. You don’t even have to use your real name, state and e-mail. You could, for instance, pretend to be a Nader voter in a swing state (FL, OH, WI, MO, MN, OR, NM, IA, PA, MI.) If you do sign up as a Nader voter, you’ll get an e-mail from your vote-trading partner in a couple of weeks. Play along and enjoy!

If a few thousand people do this, that would wreck VotePair . Vote traders wouldn’t know if they were trading with a real Nader voter, or just throwing their vote away.


So let me get this right. You think the activity is illegal but are participating? But only the other people doing this are engaging in dirty tricks and unethical behavior, not you? Got it.

[MNBridge]

Pssst.......

A got a little secret to tell everyone. It's not the supporters of the other party doing the damage, it's typically drunks and kids and the third group described below.

Believe it or not some people get a kick out of pissing people off. Looks like they are succeeding. -- The election just made it easy and creates a lot of tempting items to vandalize.

Don't tell anyone.

[Tim><]

Believe it or not some people get a kick out of pissing people off. :duh:

[Father of two]

Pssst.......

A got a little secret to tell everyone. It's not the supporters of the other party doing the damage, it's typically drunks and kids and the third group described below.

Believe it or not some people get a kick out of pissing people off. Looks like they are succeeding. -- The election just made it easy and creates a lot of tempting items to vandalize.

Don't tell anyone.

Psssst....

It's dems trying to trick Nader voters to vote for kerry.

Don't tell anyone.

[Cardoza]

They’re at it again. Liberals have created a web site, VotePair.org , to encourage Nader voters to swap their votes with Kerry voters. This is definitely unethical and probably illegal.

So what can you do about this latest Democrat dirty trick? You could simply go to VotePair.org and sign up as a Nader voter. You don’t even have to use your real name, state and e-mail. You could, for instance, pretend to be a Nader voter in a swing state (FL, OH, WI, MO, MN, OR, NM, IA, PA, MI.) If you do sign up as a Nader voter, you’ll get an e-mail from your vote-trading partner in a couple of weeks. Play along and enjoy!

If a few thousand people do this, that would wreck VotePair . Vote traders wouldn’t know if they were trading with a real Nader voter, or just throwing their vote away.


So let me get this right. You think the activity is illegal but are participating? But only the other people doing this are engaging in dirty tricks and unethical behavior, not you? Got it.

hey darth, forget it man, both of us are in the same boat, it is wicked obvious the hypocrisy these morans live in....the repugs are sick twisted freaks.

tangent - i love how they have used the iraq war as leverage, "The soldiers are fighting for american values, for our future"

yet you see any soldier interviewed they all say the same thing "Um, not sure what we are doing but we are here to help each other survive and make it home...that's all."

american values my ass. they are fighting for their own survival.

[Father of two]

Family Of Killed Soldier: Vigil Crowd Threatening

POSTED: 5:48 pm CDT September 9, 2004
UPDATED: 11:02 am CDT September 10, 2004

DALLAS -- A candlelight vigil took place Wednesday night to remember U.S. war dead in Iraq during the week of the 1,000th casualty. One North Texas family whose relative -- Chad Drake -- was killed outside Baghdad on Monday, was among the mourners at Dallas City Hall Plaza.

A family friend said the vigil turned abrasive toward the family members. The friend sent an e-mail message to NBC 5 News that described the alleged treatment some vigil attendees directed at the family.

The family friend's message alleges Drake's mother was "harassed and yelled at, booed and hissed, told her son died for nothing."

Drake's mother reportedly left the event in tears.

The family attended the vigil because they thought it was meant to honor U.S. casualties. The event was organized by the Dallas Peace Center, which opposes the war.

The Drake family says they were upset about the antiwar tenor of the assembled crowd. The director of the Dallas Peace Center said the event was not intended to be an antiwar rally, but said e-mail notifications of the vigil were sent to a broad audience. Because the venue is a public place, he said, a variety of people with various views on the war in Iraq attended.

He also said the event was planned to include political overtones, but the Drake family should have been informed.

The center, however, did issue an apology to the Drake family.

"I want to be clear in issuing an apology to the mother of the recent victim of that war," Lon Burnam, of the Dallas Peace Center, said. "I can certainly understand why she would not feel comfortable in that particular venue with that particular group of people."

Peace Center officials said they believe the Drake family left before the scheduled events started, and the family might not have seen the planned ceremony.

Drake's sister told NBC 5 News that the family thought some of the crowd was hostile, so the family departed the vigil.

http://www.nbc5i.com/news/3719681/detail.html

[MNBridge]

Pssst.......

A got a little secret to tell everyone. It's not the supporters of the other party doing the damage, it's typically drunks and kids and the third group described below.

Believe it or not some people get a kick out of pissing people off. Looks like they are succeeding. -- The election just made it easy and creates a lot of tempting items to vandalize.

Don't tell anyone.

Psssst....

It's dems trying to trick Nader voters to vote for kerry.

Don't tell anyone.

FoT way to purposely miss my point and twist it into something else, A true Republican. CONGRATS

Or did you really not get the point of my post? Did I give you to much credit in actually being able to understand it? If so I'm sorry; I should have made my post clearer.

I was referring to the sign damage and vandalism that you felt important enough to include in multiple posts.

Let me know if you are still confused and I'll try to explain again.

[Father of two]

Pssst.......

A got a little secret to tell everyone. It's not the supporters of the other party doing the damage, it's typically drunks and kids and the third group described below.

Believe it or not some people get a kick out of pissing people off. Looks like they are succeeding. -- The election just made it easy and creates a lot of tempting items to vandalize.

Don't tell anyone.

Psssst....

It's dems trying to trick Nader voters to vote for kerry.

Don't tell anyone.

FoT way to purposely miss my point and twist it into something else, A true Republican. CONGRATS

Or did you really not get the point of my post? Did I give you to much credit in actually being able to understand it? If so I'm sorry; I should have made my post clearer.

I was referring to the sign damage and vandalism that you felt important enough to include in multiple posts.

Let me know if you are still confused and I'll try to explain again.

:oops: We had already moved to a new topic.

[Harry]

Shouldn't you be figuring out a way to tamper with the election again this year?

:lol:

[Harry]

Clearly, both sides are vandalizing the other. I think you two can stop the pissing at each other, unless you really enjoy golden showers. It's clear to everyone but father of two. I was just trying to educate him.

I tried yesterday. He is uneducatamable.

[Father of two]

You don't think anyone is reading these do you? :lol:

[Father of two]

It's been fun pushing your buttons. I have to study now. See you after the exams next week. Good luck to all.

[MNBridge]

It's been fun pushing your buttons. I have to study now. See you after the exams next week. Good luck to all.

Good luck on exams.

And I do agree any party that suggests you should vote for another party is wrong wrong wrong. If not on a criminal level at least on a theoretical one.

[Cardoza]

It's been fun pushing your buttons. I have to study now. See you after the exams next week. Good luck to all.


you're still taking exams? :lol: chump....tool.....


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