Give me a break

[Bama Gambler]

ABC apologizes for intro to MNF (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/2004-11-16-mnf-intro-apology_x.htm)

It was funny as hell.

[foghorn]

ABC apologizes for intro to MNF (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/2004-11-16-mnf-intro-apology_x.htm)

It was funny as hell.

I was watching with my kids, I didn't think it was that funny. I guess I can't let my kids watch sports anymore.

[Bama Gambler]

ABC apologizes for intro to MNF (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/2004-11-16-mnf-intro-apology_x.htm)

It was funny as hell.

I was watching with my kids, I didn't think it was that funny. I guess I can't let my kids watch sports anymore.I just figured any kids not old enough to see that would already be asleep in bed (especially on a school night).

I just HATE censorship. If someone thinks TV or a particular station is inappropriate, then turn your TV off, but don't try to turn it off for everyone.

[L. Mo]

for the record, out here on the West Coast, MNF is live, which means 6pm.

however, I'm not a fan of censorship, either....if you don't like it, shut it off, don't tell me what's appropriate, and what's not.

[foghorn]

ABC apologizes for intro to MNF (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/2004-11-16-mnf-intro-apology_x.htm)

It was funny as hell.

I was watching with my kids, I didn't think it was that funny. I guess I can't let my kids watch sports anymore.I just figured any kids not old enough to see that would already be asleep in bed (especially on a school night).

I just HATE censorship. If someone thinks TV or a particular station is inappropriate, then turn your TV off, but don't try to turn it off for everyone.

It was only 8:00 here, just a little before bedtime yet. I generally agree with the censorship statement, but somewhere you have to draw the line. Sports is one of those places that once was safe for kids.
You know, they could start inserting pornographic clips in the middle of a Disney channel show and I would be upset at first too. Then I'd stop letting my kids watch it. I'm not trying to censor, I just wish they would keep sports where I could share it with my kids, that's all.

[Bama Gambler]

for the record, out here on the West Coast, MNF is live, which means 6pm.But the West Coast is liberal, right? :D

Wait, does that mean the West Coast supports stronger restrictions? I ain't real good with all that political stuff.

[Griffin 2]

I just HATE censorship. If someone thinks TV or a particular station is inappropriate, then turn your TV off, but don't try to turn it off for everyone.How is that not censorship?

[Bama Gambler]

I just HATE censorship. If someone thinks TV or a particular station is inappropriate, then turn your TV off, but don't try to turn it off for everyone.How is that not censorship?If they allow it to be aired you have the option to watch it or the option not to watch (by turning your TV off). If they don't air it, then you don't have any options - you can't watch it.

[L. Mo]

for the record, out here on the West Coast, MNF is live, which means 6pm.But the West Coast is liberal, right? :D

Wait, does that mean the West Coast supports stronger restrictions? I ain't real good with all that political stuff.

The West Coast is pretty liberal, especially in the larger cities. The more rural areas aren't. As for stronger restrictions, I dunno. That's why I stay out of political, in general. Out here, many "live" programs are "live except on the west coast"...the only stuff that's actually live is The Oscars, and sports (the main 4 - football, baseball, basketball & hockey).

[Bama Gambler]

I'm not trying to censor, I just wish they would keep sports where I could share it with my kids, that's all.I can't argue with that. I stand corrected.

[L. Mo]

what about the scantily-clad cheerleaders? are those ok?

[Griffin 2]

I just HATE censorship. If someone thinks TV or a particular station is inappropriate, then turn your TV off, but don't try to turn it off for everyone.How is that not censorship?If they allow it to be aired you have the option to watch it or the option not to watch (by turning your TV off). If they don't air it, then you don't have any options - you can't watch it.What an unusual definition of censorship you are working with. Sometimes a non-governmental entity blocking information is censorship, and sometimes it is not.

Ignoring the fact that neither ABC nor the NFL are government agencies, why do you get the option to view it, but deny ABC or the NFL the option to air it? And is there anything that you think they shouldn't air?

[rekrap]

I'm waiting for abducens/patience to come along and say that ABC should apologize for showing Terrell Owens "iceskating", too...

[Bama Gambler]

Griffin 2,

I'm confused. Let me restate my opinion. I don't think the FCC should be getting their panties in a wad about the promo before the MNF game last night. If people don't want to see that, then turn the channel. When something comes on a TV channel that offends me, I simply turn the channel. I don't send letters to the TV station or the FCC demanding that they not show that stuff. I think it's ridiculous that other people do. Of course this is just my opinion.

[3rookie]

what about the scantily-clad cheerleaders? are those ok?No it is not OK. The only times they are shown are when a player goes way out of bounds or during a timeout when there is a big Miller Lite or Dominos logo on the screen and you have to look between and around the logo in order to catch some bare arm. And even then it's usually 40 degrees, and they're dressed in earmuffs and a poncho.

[Griffin 2]

Griffin 2,

I'm confused. Let me restate my opinion. I don't think the FCC should be getting their panties in a wad about the promo before the MNF game last night. If people don't want to see that, then turn the channel. When something comes on a TV channel that offends me, I simply turn the channel. I don't send letters to the TV station or the FCC demanding that they not show that stuff. I think it's ridiculous that other people do. Of course this is just my opinion.I reask my question: Is there anything that you think they shouldn't air?

[foghorn]

what about the scantily-clad cheerleaders? are those ok?

Yeah, those are fine. Unless they take off their clothes and beg a guy to have sex with them because they are so starved for attention. Then I start asking the kids to leave the room. But that's just me.

[foghorn]

I'm waiting for abducens/patience to come along and say that ABC should apologize for showing Terrell Owens "iceskating", too...

Maybe T.O. should apologize for that one. Not one of his best, IMHO.

[2M]

In general a lot of "live" entertainment events on the east coast that contain incidents that would be sensitive to the FCC, are edited out by the time they air on the west coast in the same time slot.

Events such as MNF are an exception. Other events such as the olympics would not be.

[tommie frazier]

I can see the NFL asking abc not to mess with its "brand image". FCC? well, it was 6PM out west.

I find myself not all that happy with ANY sporting events on Fox bc their ads for their own programs are routinely racy or somewhat violent/confrontational (shouting, etc.). More than I want my 5 year old to be around on a sunday at 2PM.

[Drewby]

Darn it...I should have left my meeting early...sounds like I missed some great TV last night!

[Actuary321]

Griffin 2,

I'm confused. Let me restate my opinion. I don't think the FCC should be getting their panties in a wad about the promo before the MNF game last night. If people don't want to see that, then turn the channel. When something comes on a TV channel that offends me, I simply turn the channel. I don't send letters to the TV station or the FCC demanding that they not show that stuff. I think it's ridiculous that other people do. Of course this is just my opinion.
I missed it but did ABC give a standard "Parental Advisory" before the promo?

If they did then people would have had time to turn it off BEFORE being offended. The problem is that just like the Superbowl incident, (and like the prono in the disney channel example) the first time something like this occurs when it was not previously offensive and no warning is given, it is a problem. If ABC regularly warns that MNF may not be appropriate for children then people have less standing to complain.

Turning something off after you have been offended, while it may be the right thing to do in your opinion, is not the point. The point is that there is an expectation of what is and isn't appropriate on TV. If the network is going to change the rules they should warn people first so they can then choose not to watch and not to be offended.

[Kenny]

ABC apologizes for intro to MNF (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/2004-11-16-mnf-intro-apology_x.htm)

It was funny as hell.

I was watching with my kids, I didn't think it was that funny. I guess I can't let my kids watch sports anymore.I just figured any kids not old enough to see that would already be asleep in bed (especially on a school night).

I just HATE censorship. If someone thinks TV or a particular station is inappropriate, then turn your TV off, but don't try to turn it off for everyone.

It isn't about censorship, it is about expectations. If I expect a show and/or advertisements during a specific time slot or about a specific subject to have inappropriate subjet matter I can not watch it. If I expect a show to not have inappropriate subject matter and it does, being offended and complaining is a legitimate action because I did not have fair warning.

If ABC wants to show porn, fine, as long as I know ahead of time and can make the choice to watch it or not. (Not that I'm saying this commercial was porn)

[Bama Gambler]

Those are great points about expectations. If the promo was out of line with viewer's expectations, then I agree it should not have been shown. I guess I should have put some more thought into my rant before posting.

[Bored]

what about the scantily-clad cheerleaders? are those ok?No it is not OK. The only times they are shown are when a player goes way out of bounds or during a timeout when there is a big Miller Lite or Dominos logo on the screen and you have to look between and around the logo in order to catch some bare arm. And even then it's usually 40 degrees, and they're dressed in earmuffs and a poncho.

I have to disagree with this. I can't count the number of times the camera has zoomed in on some cheerleader's boobs or just shown them all bouncing up and down while the commentators are making lascivious comments. Not to mention the disgusting beer commercials.

Football has stopped being a beacon of moral-tv watching for quite some time.

[J.T.]

I agree that once ABC sets their standard for viewing, they should stick to that or warn viewers that they are changing their standards.

Didn't see it, but I have no problem writing a TV station to tell them they were wrong and I won't be watching them anymore, but I wouldn't write the FCC. I do think that major sports (including football, baseball, etc) especially any playoff (such as the Super Bowl) should hold itself to a higher standard since young children will most likely be watching. I think that that was the major problem with the Super Bowl.

[L. Mo]

Football has stopped being a beacon of moral-tv watching for quite some time.

um, yeah. nothing like watching big, burly men slam into each other.
(if they were naked, that would be another story ;) )

[Klaymen]

Break me off a piece of that Kit Kat bar.

[foghorn]

Griffin 2,

I'm confused. Let me restate my opinion. I don't think the FCC should be getting their panties in a wad about the promo before the MNF game last night. If people don't want to see that, then turn the channel. When something comes on a TV channel that offends me, I simply turn the channel. I don't send letters to the TV station or the FCC demanding that they not show that stuff. I think it's ridiculous that other people do. Of course this is just my opinion.
I missed it but did ABC give a standard "Parental Advisory" before the promo?

If they did then people would have had time to turn it off BEFORE being offended. The problem is that just like the Superbowl incident, (and like the prono in the disney channel example) the first time something like this occurs when it was not previously offensive and no warning is given, it is a problem. If ABC regularly warns that MNF may not be appropriate for children then people have less standing to complain.

Turning something off after you have been offended, while it may be the right thing to do in your opinion, is not the point. The point is that there is an expectation of what is and isn't appropriate on TV. If the network is going to change the rules they should warn people first so they can then choose not to watch and not to be offended.

That's a good point, my daughter switched the channel after they would have done any announcement, so I'm not sure if they did one.

[The Waiting Hurts]

Janet Jackson screwed everything up.

[Father of two]

http://www.tvtome.com/images/shows/0/6/80-114.gif


A rotund black housekeeper maintained order in the home of a portly white police chief in this old-fashioned
comedy set in the fictional town of Glen Lawn, California. Policeman Carl's beloved wife Margaret had died
only months before, leaving him with three, winsome daughters, ranging in age from cute grade-schooler to
troublesome teen. Wisecracks and fat jokes abounded, but there was a lot of love as Nell tried to be friend and
surrogate mother to the clan. Officer Simpson was a dopey police officer who was frequently seen, and Joey
was a six-year-old orphan and junior-grade hustler who joined the household in the 1983-1984 season.



As the 1985-1986 season opened the chief had passed away (actor Dolph Sweet had died), and Nell
became both mother and father to the Kanisky brood. The man of the house was now Jonathan, who had married
Julie at the end of the 1984-1985 season and moved in. The ratings started to slip from its usual place
that season, and the network was so worried about that, and what they felt was a decline in the quality
of the writing, that Hal Cooper, the executive producer, was told by NBC executives to either end production
of the series or make major changes.

By 1986, with the Kanisky girls grown and/or college-bound, Nell
and her best friend Addy decided to leave Glen Lawn for New York City, with Grandpa and little Joey in tow.
There they discovered Joey's irresponsible father Tim, who turned over Joey's younger brother Matthew
(played by Joey Lawrence's real-life brother) and departed, adding a second child to the shifting
household. Marty was Nell's nutty New York landlord, who also owned the restaurant El Gaspacho downstairs,
where he put on a phony Spanish accent and called himself "Esteban". The changes didn't help the ratings
any, nor did two different time slots that season, and the show quietly ended its network run in the
spring of 1987.

[Uncle Ronny]

Reaction has ranged from amusement to anger. Indianapolis Colts coach Tony Dungy, who is black, found it racially offensive; Owens is black and Sheridan is white.

Racially offensive? You've got to be kidding me. Get a life Dungy.

Link (http://www.tsn.ca/nfl/news_story.asp?id=105054)

[The Waiting Hurts]

Reaction has ranged from amusement to anger. Indianapolis Colts coach Tony Dungy, who is black, found it racially offensive; Owens is black and Sheridan is white.

Racially offensive? You've got to be kidding me. Get a life DungyThis is so stupid now. Other than Sheridan's nudity, nothing about that spot was offensive in any way. They were promoting one of their highest rated shows. If the Cowboys were having as good of a season as the Eagles, they would have used one of their players. C'mon.

Why is this being made into such a big deal? Stupid Janet Jackson!

[Patience]

I heard him speak and I wouldn't use the words racially offensive, rather racially insensitive or embarrassing.

and it has nothing to do with the woman being white, but rather how he would hope to see a black man act as a role model when primary concerns of the black community and the general athleic community regarding date rape, STDs, promiscuity etc.

[The Drunken Actuary]

From what I saw, it was pretty mild. BFD. I wish out gov't would spend their time on real problems.

[The Drunken Actuary]

Why is this being made into such a big deal? Stupid Janet Jackson!Stupid FCC.

[Griffin 9]

ABC, MNF, and Tony Dungy are part of the government? I know they are all part of Paddyboy's Shadow Government, but that's a separate thing.

[The Drunken Actuary]

ABC, MNF, and Tony Dungy are part of the government? I know they are all part of Paddyboy's Shadow Government, but that's a separate thing.If this was to me....I was referring to potential fines that my radio told me about this morning.

[Griffin 9]

ABC, MNF, and Tony Dungy are part of the government? I know they are all part of Paddyboy's Shadow Government, but that's a separate thing.If this was to me....I was referring to potential fines that my radio told me about this morning.So you want to disband the FCC?

[The Drunken Actuary]

ABC, MNF, and Tony Dungy are part of the government? I know they are all part of Paddyboy's Shadow Government, but that's a separate thing.If this was to me....I was referring to potential fines that my radio told me about this morning.So you want to disband the FCC?Yes, that's exactly what I said.

[Griffin 9]

ABC, MNF, and Tony Dungy are part of the government? I know they are all part of Paddyboy's Shadow Government, but that's a separate thing.If this was to me....I was referring to potential fines that my radio told me about this morning.So you want to disband the FCC?Yes, that's exactly what I said.What are the important problems you would have the FCC working on?

[NoName]

Yesterday, Limbaugh supposedly used a word that sounds the same as Dick Cheney's first name. Some liberal blogs are up in arms and starting letter-writing campaigns to the FCC.