First Haunting

[RedSoxFan]

So, now that we have four ghosts, we can haunt someone dead, right? So who do we go for?

[lawfi5h]

Hi guys.

I didnt know there was this whole "private" section. I feel kinda cool.

I still think Tim>< is EC, but I am starting to suspect Rolie Poli is now, too.

[RedSoxFan]

Actually I meant we can haunt someone so that they are killed,

not that we can haunt someone who is already dead.


I think Tim<> is acting suspicious. But, I don't know, is this typical for him? I think an underrated indicator of being EC is acting differently than they normally act.

I think Roli Poli aka urysohn acts like this all the time. Though he might be more into this than he has been into other things. But part of that might be that the game is fun. Remember he spent a lot of time on the Survivor thing. On the other hand, would he really emulate the Survivor game, which he ran?

[lawfi5h]

Actually I meant we can haunt someone so that they are killed,

not that we can haunt someone who is already dead.


I think Tim<> is acting suspicious. But, I don't know, is this typical for him? I think an underrated indicator of being EC is acting differently than they normally act.

I think Roli Poli aka urysohn acts like this all the time. Though he might be more into this than he has been into other things. But part of that might be that the game is fun. Remember he spent a lot of time on the Survivor thing. On the other hand, would he really emulate the Survivor game, which he ran?

My hunch has been Tim since the first lynching. I am not sure why I have a hunch about Roli...but if I had to pick (if we haunt this time), I'd pick Tim.

[RedSoxFan]

So are we going to haunt someone or what? Someone did a numerical analysis saying probabilities were that we should pass twice. But I'd like to haunt. One key assumption in that model is that all lynching/haunting was random. I think we're going to have our suspicions.

The trouble is that all four of us would have to agree to haunt the same person. And it doesn't look like all of us are all that active here (Skaville hasn't even posted here once yet).

[Last Train to Skaville]

The trouble is that all four of us would have to agree to haunt the same person. And it doesn't look like all of us are all that active here (Skaville hasn't even posted here once yet).

Sorry folks, been way busy with work. I'll try to be more active, but anything I say at this point will be merely a guess. My Tim post was mostly just a joke, though not too many posters in this place annoy me more than he does.

[RedSoxFan]

I think everyone's going to be surprised when they go back and read how little activity on the ghost forum was going on now. Fortunately it has been recommended that we skip two turns, so by not having an organized haunting, we aren't losing anything. However, the time will come soon when we should haunt someone to their death.

Does anyone suspect anyone right now?

What do you think about All Clear's post on page 35? It is hard for me to believe that an EC would make such an innocent sounding post. So long as his post history supports his allegations, it sounds like a simple case of someone not having enough time to keep up with the game. And voting for someone already dead.. it all seems like he's obviously an innocent student - there's no way an EC could have made that post. On the other hand, that is exactly what a good, sinister member of the EC would want us to believe.

[Last Train to Skaville]

I have no idea or clue as to who might actually be EC or not. As for our lack of activity, this game seems to be moving much slower than any of the previous versions. Perhaps having deadlines was a good idea after all.

[lawfi5h]

I still think Tim and 4sigma are.

Those are my two hunches at this point.

Tim always shoots his mouth off, but something about a few of his posts made me think he was trying to hard.

4sigma seems to be steering a few of the votes. I haven't put my finger on who he was steering them away from, but it seems his is protecting his EC friends.

[RedSoxFan]

Nobody rush to judgment yet, we need to be organized in our haunting.

Firstly, if the students are going to lynch Gandalf anyway, shouldn't we use our turn to haunt someone they might not be thinking of?

I have recently gotten suspicious of Jables. He is so quick to spot things in the EC's posts, that perhaps he is posting as EC, and putting quirky stuff in there, so that he can later spot it?

[lawfi5h]

Has Rocky gained access yet?

[Rocky]

So are we going to haunt someone or what? Someone did a numerical analysis saying probabilities were that we should pass twice. But I'd like to haunt. One key assumption in that model is that all lynching/haunting was random. I think we're going to have our suspicions.

The trouble is that all four of us would have to agree to haunt the same person. And it doesn't look like all of us are all that active here (Skaville hasn't even posted here once yet).

I haven't verified Gandalf's conclusion, but I'm not 100% certain that it's in the students best interest.

More to come.

[Rocky]

Does anyone suspect anyone right now?


I'm going to set up a separate thread for this discussion.

It's titled Suspect-O-Meter (aka - Looking Guilty as Hell :burn: ). I'll list the players currently in the game as the first post. Will each ghost please take a couple of minutes and rate (from most suspicious to least suspicious) the remaining players? If possible, give reasons.

They don't have to be good reasons (it's early in the game), and you can always change them, but I think that we need something to go on.

We've got a lot of influence on the game right now...Let's get to :yikes: 'ing!

[Rocky]

Has Rocky gained access yet?

Yes I have, so stop talking bad about me! :D

[Rocky]

So are we going to haunt someone or what? Someone did a numerical analysis saying probabilities were that we should pass twice. But I'd like to haunt. One key assumption in that model is that all lynching/haunting was random. I think we're going to have our suspicions.

The trouble is that all four of us would have to agree to haunt the same person. And it doesn't look like all of us are all that active here (Skaville hasn't even posted here once yet).

I haven't verified Gandalf's conclusion, but I'm not 100% certain that it's in the students best interest.

More to come.

At 20 living players, I agree with Gandalf that we have to haunt.

[Rocky]

I'm up for haunting Jables (not a lot to go on here) for the reasons noted by RSF and myself.

We don't want to hit an innocent student, but if we do so with Jables, 2 things will be accomplished. (1) We'll be getting another active ghost and (2) we'll have the best thread searcher on the RF to help us out.

Any thoughts?

[RedSoxFan]

I'm up for haunting Jables (not a lot to go on here) for the reasons noted by RSF and myself.

We don't want to hit an innocent student, but if we do so with Jables, 2 things will be accomplished. (1) We'll be getting another active ghost and (2) we'll have the best thread searcher on the RF to help us out.

Any thoughts?

I agree. It's a win-win. So should we get four of us to post in here with agreement before one of us haunts?

[Rocky]

I agree. It's a win-win. So should we get four of us to post in here with agreement before one of us haunts?

Yes.

I've asked other ghosts to post here if they agree that we should haunt Jables. We should do this ASAP if we're in agreement. We don't want the students to lynch before we get a chance to haunt.

[lawfi5h]

I'm fine with haunting jables

[RedSoxFan]

I thought this was a really good idea:

Request for our esteemed ghosts:

I'm sure you're preparing to haunt someone this round. I personally am not prepared to recommend haunting Gandalf, but it's the ghosts' call. Whoever it is, we have an opportunity to create a brief window of communication between the ghosts and the living.

After the ghosts deliberate and decide who to haunt this round, I would request that Rocky signal us who the ghosts will kill, by casting his haunt for this person. The other ghosts should haunt this same person but not right away -- perhaps about half a day later.

For example, let's say the ghosts decide to haunt 42. Rocky casts his haunt for 42. 42 now has an opportunity to send whatever parting remarks he wants, to whomever he trusts (or publicly). Anyone who wants to can PM 42 with any thoughts that they would like to send to the ghosts without them being posted publicly.

There is the risk, of course, that 42 is EC, in which case living players might not want to spill their guts to him. A possible safeguard, assuming that our newly reinstated moderator has no objection, is to PM 42 partial information, to be completed with public posts after his death. For example, you could PM him "I have 3 people I am pretty sure are not EC, and 2 people I am somewhat suspicious of." Then after 42 is haunted to death and confirmed not to be EC, you could complete the message by making a post with 3 names followed by a post with 2 names.

I would humbly ask to be the first person to post, since I came up with the reasoning for Jables.. because, if I understand the rules correctly, if there are just 2 EC, and Jables is the second, and he dies on a haunting, the first ghost gets the stapler. And I'd like to apply this rule in the future. Whenever we decide to haunt someone, the person who presented the best argument for the haunting gets to haunt first.

If we agree to that, once we get our fourth Jables haunter together, I will haunt first, and then I'd ask Rocky to haunt shortly thereafter, so 4sigma doesn't get confused. Then the last two can haunt the next day.

[cubedbee]

Sorry guys, but RL issues have arisen that have caused me to completely lose interest in the game. I stopped reading the game thread over a dozen pages ago, and won't resume. However, I do visit the RF enough that I can and will help with hauntings.

Do you want me to wait till tomorrow to haunt Jables, or do it today?

[Rocky]

Sorry guys, but RL issues have arisen that have caused me to completely lose interest in the game. I stopped reading the game thread over a dozen pages ago, and won't resume. However, I do visit the RF enough that I can and will help with hauntings.

Do you want me to wait till tomorrow to haunt Jables, or do it today?

No problem, B^3, I'm glad that you're still on board with haunting. Hopefully the RL stuff works out as well as it can for you.

I'd suggest haunting today.

[RedSoxFan]

Should I haunt in size 17 as a signal to 4sigma that we're going to follow his size guidelines?

[Rocky]

I thought this was a really good idea:

Request for our esteemed ghosts:

I'm sure you're preparing to haunt someone this round. I personally am not prepared to recommend haunting Gandalf, but it's the ghosts' call. Whoever it is, we have an opportunity to create a brief window of communication between the ghosts and the living.

After the ghosts deliberate and decide who to haunt this round, I would request that Rocky signal us who the ghosts will kill, by casting his haunt for this person. The other ghosts should haunt this same person but not right away -- perhaps about half a day later.

For example, let's say the ghosts decide to haunt 42. Rocky casts his haunt for 42. 42 now has an opportunity to send whatever parting remarks he wants, to whomever he trusts (or publicly). Anyone who wants to can PM 42 with any thoughts that they would like to send to the ghosts without them being posted publicly.

There is the risk, of course, that 42 is EC, in which case living players might not want to spill their guts to him. A possible safeguard, assuming that our newly reinstated moderator has no objection, is to PM 42 partial information, to be completed with public posts after his death. For example, you could PM him "I have 3 people I am pretty sure are not EC, and 2 people I am somewhat suspicious of." Then after 42 is haunted to death and confirmed not to be EC, you could complete the message by making a post with 3 names followed by a post with 2 names.

I would humbly ask to be the first person to post, since I came up with the reasoning for Jables.. because, if I understand the rules correctly, if there are just 2 EC, and Jables is the second, and he dies on a haunting, the first ghost gets the stapler. And I'd like to apply this rule in the future. Whenever we decide to haunt someone, the person who presented the best argument for the haunting gets to haunt first.

If we agree to that, once we get our fourth Jables haunter together, I will haunt first, and then I'd ask Rocky to haunt shortly thereafter, so 4sigma doesn't get confused. Then the last two can haunt the next day.

I've set up a new thread to discuss general strategy (http://www.actuary.ca/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=45983) like this. My reply is in that thread.

[Rocky]

Should I haunt in size 17 as a signal to 4sigma that we're going to follow his size guidelines?

Could you post those guidelines? I'm having a hard time finding them.

[RedSoxFan]

Should I haunt in size 17 as a signal to 4sigma that we're going to follow his size guidelines?

Could you post those guidelines? I'm having a hard time finding them.

It's the PM that Kenshiro posted from 4sigma in the PM's thread.

[Rocky]

Should I haunt in size 17 as a signal to 4sigma that we're going to follow his size guidelines?

Could you post those guidelines? I'm having a hard time finding them.

It's the PM that Kenshiro posted from 4sigma in the PM's thread.

I think that only applies to "haunts" for players that we don't want to haunt to death.

I'd recommend that we haunt in a font size of 24 for haunts that are intended to kill.

An additional reply is in the general strategy thread.

[RedSoxFan]

Ok, I just haunted Jables.

As I understand it, Rocky will also haunt soon, and then lawfi5h and BC will haunt tomorrow morning?

[Rocky]

Ok, I just haunted Jables.

As I understand it, Rocky will also haunt soon, and then lawfi5h and BC will haunt tomorrow morning?

This sounds good to me. Lawfi5h and cubedbee, could you haunt tomorrow morning/afternoon (in bold with size 24 font)?

Last Train, do you want to haunt Gandalf with an 18 font between now and tomorrow? This will keep the sentiment of the students focused on Gandalf. I'm interested in his response, as well as 4sigma's.

[cubedbee]

I will haunt Jables tomorrow around noon.

[RedSoxFan]

Why did we let Lawfi5h haunt Gandalf rather than Jables?

[Rocky]

Why did we let Lawfi5h haunt Gandalf rather than Jables?

I've asked LTtS to haunt Jables.

[Rocky]

Why did we let Lawfi5h haunt Gandalf rather than Jables?

The idea was to keep attention on Gandalf. See how he reacts if the students continue to suspect him. We also wanted to give the students time to PM Jables and give him whatever info they could.

LTtS has said that he will haunt, but can't lend anything to the discussions (since he knows who the EC are).

[lawfi5h]

Why did we let Lawfi5h haunt Gandalf rather than Jables?

"let"????

I have been busy with holiday stuff, so I basically have been "doing what I am told" during the holidays to keep the ghosts active until we get a good group of ghosts together. But the word "let" rubbed me the wrong way. I thought I could haunt anyone I wanted. I havent had a chance to give much input though, so I trust the wisdom of my fellow ghosts this time.

[Rocky]

"let"????

I have been busy with holiday stuff, so I basically have been "doing what I am told" during the holidays to keep the ghosts active until we get a good group of ghosts together. But the word "let" rubbed me the wrong way. I thought I could haunt anyone I wanted. I havent had a chance to give much input though, so I trust the wisdom of my fellow ghosts this time.

Any ghost can haunt whoever they want, you're right about that. However, it's also important (at least at this point in the game) that we haunt someone to death each round.

The approach each round should probably be discussion in the ghost forum to get a majority agreement about who we want to haunt to death. After that is decided, then there is also the matter of how additional haunts should be used (i.e. to indicate guilt, innocence, or suspicion).

[RedSoxFan]

Why did we let Lawfi5h haunt Gandalf rather than Jables?

"let"????

I have been busy with holiday stuff, so I basically have been "doing what I am told" during the holidays to keep the ghosts active until we get a good group of ghosts together. But the word "let" rubbed me the wrong way. I thought I could haunt anyone I wanted. I havent had a chance to give much input though, so I trust the wisdom of my fellow ghosts this time.

Sorry, didn't mean to imply anything there, but it's crucially important that we're on the same page, since we only get one haunt per round, and there's not many of us around. If every ghost haunted whoever they wanted independent of the others, we probably wouldn't get the 4 votes necessary. In this case, I thought there were only 4 active ghosts left who hadn't "wasted" their haunt yet (as Kenshiro did), so we (and Rocky was the leader) agreed in advance not only who we were going to haunt, but also the timing of it (Rocky's haunt would be a signal to Jables to spill his guts while he was still alive and could communicate with other students). If one of the four haunts someone else, I wanted to make sure it was according to plan.

I guess this is a good reminder that we, as ghosts, need to be coordinated in our hauntings. If any ghost feels like he wants to haunt someone, let the rest of the ghosts know. But if we have arranged the timing and amount of hauntings for one particular candidate, we need to have everyone follow through correctly so that we don't waste a turn.

[Jables]

I have recently gotten suspicious of Jables. He is so quick to spot things in the EC's posts, that perhaps he is posting as EC, and putting quirky stuff in there, so that he can later spot it?

Nope, I'm just quick. A little too quick... :lol:

[Rocky]

I have recently gotten suspicious of Jables. He is so quick to spot things in the EC's posts, that perhaps he is posting as EC, and putting quirky stuff in there, so that he can later spot it?

Nope, I'm just quick. A little too quick... :lol:

I absolutely never told them that! :oops: