Need all 50, ready to be done

[GadgetGeek]

Any suggestions. Just found out (from pdcomments@soa.org) that the prod dev CDRom counts toward the 15 total for distance learning. Company will send me to one seminar this year. I was hoping to get my PD wrapped up in time for the Nov FAC. Any suggestions? (an no way in heck am I sitting for another course 8, took me 5 years to pass this one)

Project - 15
Distance learning - 15
SOA Spring Meeting - 10.5 (12?)

that leaves me 9.5 or so short? Maybe it is worth it for me to pay my own way to an additional seminar?

[rl2]

i thought the prod dev cd rom was only 12 credits :
http://www.soa.org/ccm/content/exams-education-jobs/candidate-and-exam-information/approve/

meanwhile, passing CIA's open-book PEC will give you 18 credits. if u've done canadian material before, this might be a good choice (nb. seminar alone costs CAD 1,284) -- the pass rate on that seems to be on par with C7 pre-test.

[GadgetGeek]

i thought the prod dev cd rom was only 12 credits :
http://www.soa.org/ccm/content/exams-education-jobs/candidate-and-exam-information/approve/

meanwhile, passing CIA's open-book PEC will give you 18 credits. if u've done canadian material before, this might be a good choice (nb. seminar alone costs CAD 1,284) -- the pass rate on that seems to be on par with C7 pre-test.

CD is only 12 credits, but it counts toward the total of 15 you can get from "distance learning"

PEC sounds like the AAA Accreditation Seminar (U.S.) which is also 18, but it isn't until November and I'm hoping to make the November FAC.

Thanks for the suggestion.

[WQN]

Why won't your company sponsor another seminar for PD credit? It seems that you could convince them to spend the money. It is for your FSA!!!!

[rl2]

PEC sounds like the AAA Accreditation Seminar (U.S.) which is also 18, but it isn't until November and I'm hoping to make the November FAC.

PEC is June 5-8 in Ottawa

[aces219]

Could you negotiate with them that if they pay the tuition for a seminar, you will pay your travel? Come to the PD symposium in Chicago!

Incidentally, do you know where the November FAC is supposed to be? I could feasibly be done by then.

[dmc]

Another option is to see if your company would be willing to have you attend an "add-on" meeting.

For example, the valuation actuarial symposium in Boston last year was followed by a performance measurement for life insurers meeting. Or the basic/advanced GAAP seminar that was in Chicago.

Sell it as going to one meeting with "two sessions" that you believe will be valuable to the company and allow you to get your PD credits. Sell it as it costs a little bit more but since you are going to be there allready...

Another alternative is to attend a "users group" meeting (For TAS they have the "TUG") that may get you some "non-approved" SOA seminar credit.

Also, don't forget that if you attended a meeting in the past year, and the sessions are applicable to your plan, that you can use up to 15 PD credits from past meetings.

[rl2]

Could you negotiate with them that if they pay the tuition for a seminar, you will pay your travel? Come to the PD symposium in Chicago!


when (what) is the PD symposium ? It doesnt show up in the approved seminars/symposium/confernece 2005 list at http://www.soa.org/ccm/content/exams-education-jobs/candidate-and-exam-information/approve/ ...

[GadgetGeek]

Could you negotiate with them that if they pay the tuition for a seminar, you will pay your travel? Come to the PD symposium in Chicago!

Incidentally, do you know where the November FAC is supposed to be? I could feasibly be done by then.

I think I saw where it is tentatively scheduled for Dallas...yes (tentatively), according to FAC@soa.org

And more info on this PD symposium. I'm in Central IL, so a trip to Chicago for some PD would be sweet.


PEC is June 5-8 in Ottawa

Unfortunately, I don't think this fits in with my US track. But it would be nice.

[aces219]

http://www.soa.org/ccm/content/ce-meetings-seminars/events-calendar/future-meeting-dates-of-the-society-of-actuaries/

Scroll down and it says the PD symposium is June 29-30. People at my company went to it last year, and it is on one of the sample PD plans.

Hmm, Dallas...I'd like to see next year's calendar.

[Ponderer]

Are the online courses offered through the SOA Virtual Campus considered "previously presented" programs such that they will be first used to fulfill the max 15 credits prior to initial plan acceptance?

[GadgetGeek]

Are the online courses offered through the SOA Virtual Campus considered "previously presented" programs such that they will be first used to fulfill the max 15 credits prior to initial plan acceptance?

These are considered part of "distance learning".

[Michel de Nostradamus]

http://www.soa.org/ccm/content/ce-meetings-seminars/events-calendar/future-meeting-dates-of-the-society-of-actuaries/

Scroll down and it says the PD symposium is June 29-30. People at my company went to it last year, and it is on one of the sample PD plans.

Hmm, Dallas...I'd like to see next year's calendar.
Is that two-full days long and therefore, worth up to 12 credits?
Or is it 1.5 days only?

[aces219]

Is that two-full days long and therefore, worth up to 12 credits?
Or is it 1.5 days only?
I don't know. I haven't prepared my plan yet.

[aces219]

I don't know. I haven't prepared my plan yet.
I looked at the Spring Meeting agenda for this year and it appears to be worth 12 credits. The PD Symposium was only worth 9, and it appears that the Life Conference and Annuity Conference are only 9. Still, it really helps that the Spring Meeting is worth more, since I only get 2 meetings and I really didn't want to wait until the Annual Meeting to finish.

[GadgetGeek]

since I only get 2 meetings and I really didn't want to wait until the Annual Meeting to finish.

Lucky, I get two as well, but they count the FAC as one. So either I wait until 2006 for my FAC or I shell out my own cash to finish this year.

9 credits for PD symposium...is it held downtown or in the 'burbs (heads to website to see Rosemont)? My parents live just west of the 'burbs so I might be able to work a deal with the company on that one.

I agree, New Orleans looks like 12 credits available, but there are a couple time slots where it is questionable whether any of the sessions really relate to my PD plan.

[Can't Take a Joke]

I am glad I work where I do. I spoke with my program coordinator the other day and he stated my company would pay for all expenses within reason. Three seminars is expected, four would be reasonable. In addition, they pay for all expenses for the FAC. He then said that hopefully my advisor can keep things within reason so there is no need to run expenses past him. Then I went to my advisor to see if I could go to ceratin seminars and his response was "Sure, it doesn't really matter to me, you are not spending my budget." I have the best situation you could put yourself in right now.

By the way, I plan on attending a non-SOA approved meeting in March, the AAA or GUAA meeting in May, and the SOA meeting in June. I will fill in gaps using the distance learning option.

The only advise I have is what my advisor told me. He said there is not much point in attending the SOA meeting and the AAA meeting since there is so much overlap. Doing so might not get you many extra credits.

[aces219]

Lucky, I get two as well, but they count the FAC as one. So either I wait until 2006 for my FAC or I shell out my own cash to finish this year.

9 credits for PD symposium...is it held downtown or in the 'burbs (heads to website to see Rosemont)? My parents live just west of the 'burbs so I might be able to work a deal with the company on that one.

I agree, New Orleans looks like 12 credits available, but there are a couple time slots where it is questionable whether any of the sessions really relate to my PD plan.It's just northwest of the city, right by O'Hare. You should be able to stay with your parents and drive in, even if it takes an hour.

IMHO, you can make any session relate to your plan, you just have to spin it right.

The FAC doesn't count as a seminar for us I don't think (Course 7 is separate I know). I might end up waiting anyway if the FAC in the fall is not in a desirable location.

[GadgetGeek]

I might end up waiting anyway if the FAC in the fall is not in a desirable location.
My understanding is regardless of location, they attempt to get a hotel in the middle of nowhere to avoid any temptation. Myself, I can't imagine waiting on FAC for a better location, I just want to be done. Plus for selfish reasons, it would be better for me monetarily to have it before year-end than after as some forms of our compensation are tied to exam level at specific points in time and March FAC is after one of the key cutoffs.