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Dooby Scoo
07-01-2002, 02:35 PM
Robin Ventura instead of Magglio Ordonez? Someone has to beat the Yankees so that Joe Torre stops picking his players. What's he batting .240?
Its neat how we can all vote for the 30th roster spot. The NL vote is hard to decide, but I think I will go with Brian Giles. He's about a 1-man show in Pitt.
Someone can make a poll out of this, but I don't have the time or expertise.
treyso
07-01-2002, 02:40 PM
Mags and Giles, agreed; but Robert Fick? Its courtesy letting 2 Brewers show up. I guess they needed 2 tour guides. Does Jose Hernandez still lead the league in Strikeouts? If so, then I agree with him being invited.
Why is Albert Pujols one of the five choices? He's having a fine season, but is in no way more deserving than Jim Edmonds who has the highest OPS in the NL (4th in the league last time I checked) of those not selected and not in Denver. I don't think Edmonds would have made it, but at least he would have had a chance based on arguably better numbers than the others.
I have to give a slight edge to Giles over Andruw Jones. They've got similar numbers, but Giles has no protection in the line-up while Jones has superior defense. It's a toss-up, so I'll go with my gut... my gut says defense is overrated (except for pitching of course), so I'll go with the guy who doesn't get any pitches to hit.
In the AL, it's clearly Chavez or Thome (sorry Boston fans). Between those two, man.... Thome's bat is significantly better, but he's a slow first base bog while Chavez is a gold-glover. Still, I love those bats, so I voted for Thome. Very tough choice though.
Tony the Tiger
07-01-2002, 03:34 PM
Forget Edmunds. Larry Walker has better AVG, OPS, HR, RBI,....
And offense has been down at Coors this year, so don't throw him out just because its Denver.
This has to put the managers in a difficult position. I assume some of these players get healthy bonuses for being selected for the all-star team. This may be one reason why the managers load the team up with their own players.
Tony the Tiger
07-01-2002, 05:31 PM
Yeah that $50k bonus on top of the $10 mil salary really makes a difference.
DonkeyPunch (Banned)
07-01-2002, 08:21 PM
It does if the manager gets a 20% kickback.
Anonymous
07-01-2002, 09:31 PM
Yes, I like to try that trick with my manager every year, come review time. Psssst, I can slip you a chunk if you push for that 6% raise instead of 5%.
Dr T Non-Fan
07-01-2002, 11:06 PM
They pick them to lessen the friction between them and the players for the rest of the year. A smart manager would leave it to his players to vote the few reserves onto the team.
Randy will pitch an inning, Curt might not.
Forget Edmunds. Larry Walker has better AVG, OPS, HR, RBI,....
And offense has been down at Coors this year, so don't throw him out just because its Denver.
That's easily explainable when you look at their roster. I'm amazed they've scored any runs at all.
Yeah that $50k bonus on top of the $10 mil salary really makes a difference.
It does for Brian Giles... he gets a little over $500,000 if he makes the team.
Shrek
07-02-2002, 12:34 PM
In the AL, it's clearly Chavez or Thome (sorry Boston fans). Between those two, man.... Thome's bat is significantly better, but he's a slow first base bog while Chavez is a gold-glover. Still, I love those bats, so I voted for Thome. Very tough choice though.
Who will represent the AL in the home run derby? A-Rod for sure. Giambi most likely. Thome ought to be there just to assure the AL doesn't put someone like Brett Boone out there again this year. The dude (when he makes contact) hits some titanic blasts.
Tony the Tiger
07-02-2002, 02:31 PM
Yeah that $50k bonus on top of the $10 mil salary really makes a difference.
It does for Brian Giles... he gets a little over $500,000 if he makes the team.
And did his manager pick him to the team? No This may be one reason why the managers load the team up with their own players. So your response is meaningless.
Shrek
07-02-2002, 02:40 PM
Yeah that $50k bonus on top of the $10 mil salary really makes a difference.
It does for Brian Giles... he gets a little over $500,000 if he makes the team.
And did his manager pick him to the team? No.
Last I checked, Lloyd McClendon didn't have a hand in picking anyone for the NL squad. Brenly did screw him (or Walker or Jones, take your pick) over for one of his own players.
gloid
07-02-2002, 02:50 PM
Yeah that $50k bonus on top of the $10 mil salary really makes a difference.
It does for Brian Giles... he gets a little over $500,000 if he makes the team.
And did his manager pick him to the team? No This may be one reason why the managers load the team up with their own players. So your response is meaningless.
The only managers who have any say at all are the ones who do the picking - Joe Torre and Bob Brenly. Since Brian Giles is not on either's team, Giles' manager had no say in not picking him, but there are a large number of Yankees and D-Backs on the All-Star teams.
So your response is meaningless.
Tony the Tiger
07-02-2002, 03:06 PM
That's exactly my point. Read the thread again gloid. Brain Giles is not an example of getting picked by his manager so he gets a bonus. Had drzy picked a yankee or dback that got a big bonus on a small salary, he would have a meaningful point.
gloid
07-02-2002, 03:24 PM
That's exactly my point. Read the thread again gloid. Brain Giles is not an example of getting picked by his manager so he gets a bonus. Had drzy picked a yankee or dback that got a big bonus on a small salary, he would have a meaningful point.
Brian Giles is an example of a player who gets a hefty bonus. By giving one example, maybe we can assume that some other players also get a hefty bonus. Like some of the people who were selected to the team. See even though the post mentioned Brian Giles, there are other players who also get bonuses. So you see, that does make sense.
Also, if you read the thread, drzy is countering your point that no players get big bonuses. He does this by picking a player he knows for sure gets a hefty bonus. The thing about managers loading up with their own players was written before that. I'm sure a couple of those D-Backs will get big checks.
Tony, the second quote that you made appear as mine wasn't said by me. I wasn't saying anything at all about managers picking guys from their own team, I was just pointing out some players get large bonuses for making the All-Star team. It wasn't supposed to be argumentive to anyone.
Thanks to the rest of you for paying attention. :)
gloid
07-02-2002, 04:38 PM
Drzy, don't you think slugger Woody Williams should be up there?
Tony the Tiger
07-02-2002, 04:38 PM
Also, if you read the thread, drzy is countering your point that no players get big bonuses.
??? How about reading the posts again gloid? My post was directly after one about managers selecting players so they can get a bonus. Giles is not in that category, so he is a bad example.
And drzy, I didn't make the second quote appear to be yours. It has no name attached. You took my quote out of context and said here's a guy with a big bonus. But as I said above, it is a bad example when my quote is taken in context with the Vito statement I was responding to.
Tom Servo
07-02-2002, 08:46 PM
The biggest bonus that anyone currently on the teams gets is $125,000 by Ichiro. There are 3 more who get $100,000, one who gets $75,000 and the rest get $50K or less. It looks like the average bonus is around $25,000 since there are several players who get no bonus.
Drzy, don't you think slugger Woody Williams should be up there?
It definitely crossed my mind. :) ERA is currently at 2.36, good for third in the majors. Opponents are batting at a paltry .210 against our hero. He's still two or three starts short of qualifying for these titles, but once he's on those lists, *then* people around the world will know the name of Woody. And as you referenced, Woody blasted an opposite field home run to right center a couple days ago. Go Woody!!!
Tony the Tiger
07-03-2002, 04:31 PM
Thanks Tom Servo for the info. I found the list and the managers that chose their own players picked guys with no bonus or a $50k bonus.
Out of six yankees, five got $0 and only Ventura got $50k. Out of 6 Dbacks, 3 got $0 and Schilling, Johnson and Gonzo got $50k. So my original quip was very close to the mark.
And your comments, gloid, including I'm sure a couple of those D-Backs will get big checks. were way off the mark.
Shrek
07-08-2002, 07:37 AM
And your comments, gloid, including I'm sure a couple of those D-Backs will get big checks. were way off the mark.
It's all relative. I sure as heck wouldn't piss on a check for $50K.
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