Right call?, Pro Bowl, and god-awful singer [Archive]

Drzy

07-10-2002, 11:15 AM

I'm a bit surprised at the reactions... I thought it was definitely the right thing to do, but it seems like I'm in the way small minority. What do YOU think?

Maine-iac

07-10-2002, 11:37 AM

It seems there was definitely a problem, but they used the wrong solution. Baseball has generated enough ill-feeling with strike talk as it is without doing something so easily perceived as a "gyp".

I think the ideas of bending the rules to bring back a pitcher who hadn't pitched much, or having a fielder pitch to bring the game to a quick close would have been far more satisfying and less controversial, though of course would not have pleased everyone.

urysohn

07-10-2002, 12:02 PM

You wouldn't stop the Pro-Bowl (NFL) after 3 quarters just because all players were too tired. So baseball isn't played for a fixed amount of time. Those are the rules. Play by them. Maybe one of the pitchers should have just lobbed a couple easy pitches that the opposing batters could knock out of the park.

Dr T Non-Fan

07-10-2002, 12:13 PM

1. Force all "starting" pitchers (those that normally start games) to pitch three innings or three earned runs, whichever comes first.
2. Make managers create a schedule of the pitchers up front. That way some pitcher will know ahead of time that he might not pitch, and that's the way it goes.
3. $500,000 to the winner of each team member. $0 for ties and losses.
4. "Home run shootout."

Abducens

07-10-2002, 12:59 PM

>>You wouldn't stop the Pro-Bowl (NFL) after 3 quarters just because all players were too tired. So baseball isn't played for a fixed amount of time.

Don't ever insult the NFL like that again.

Pseudolus

07-10-2002, 01:13 PM

Han Solo

07-10-2002, 01:17 PM

You wouldn't stop the Pro-Bowl (NFL) after 3 quarters just because all players were too tired.

That's not really parallel. How about "Would you stop the Pro Bowl after 5 quarters (if no one scored in the first overtime)? 6? 7?" The NFL rules (http://www.nfl.com/fans/rules/suddendeath.html) say "Following a three-minute intermission after the end of the regulation game, play will be continued in 15-minute periods or until there is a score."
yes, but
Exception: In preseason and regular season games there shall be a maximum of 15 minutes of sudden death with two time outs instead of three. General provisions that apply for the fourth quarter will prevail. Try not attempted if touchdown scored.
Regular season games can last only 5 quarters. I would think the Pro Bowl would be the same.

Abducens

07-10-2002, 01:18 PM

>>Regular season games can last only 5 quarters. I would think the Pro Bowl would be the same.

Funny. The rules say keep playing and playing -except- when it's regular season or a preseason game. No exception for the Pro Bowl, so technically the rules say keep playing the Pro Bowl till you have a winner.

Pseudolus

07-10-2002, 01:19 PM

The PB ain't regular season and it ain't pre-season. The rules are the rules...

Abducens

07-10-2002, 01:21 PM

I'd love to see a Pro Bowl where some dorky ref forces all the players out of the locker room because of the way this is worded. Like that one Miami game where they decided :01 should be left on the clock, but worse.

Shrek

07-10-2002, 01:49 PM

"I got screwed! I only got to see the (supposed) best players in baseball play for 11 innings instead of the full 9!"

or better yet:

"Hey, Lou. Joe here. Listen man, sorry about destroying your starter for Friday's game, but you know I had to keep him in 'til the 18th, 'cause it's our job to keep the fans happy. I really hope he can come off the DL by October."

Would you be happier if Torre just decided to issue 4 intentional walks to end the game?

urysohn

07-10-2002, 01:50 PM

The Pro-Bowl may have written rules of its own. If not, then it should be played accordingly. Here, the "rules" would imply that you play till somebody wins since it's neither a pre-season or regular season game. Same thought applies - if you don't like the rules, change them. But not in the middle of the game.

Drzy

07-10-2002, 02:16 PM

A post in surveys just reminded me, did any of you see that god-awful singer they had moaning out the national anthem? It was Anastasia... I'd never heard of her, but apparently she's won some grammys. MAN she sucked! It's bad enough when they intentionally waver their pitch around before settling on the right note, but at least they usually end on the right note. And she kept messing up the words!!! Gave truth through the night? The rockets gave glare? Were so gall singing (no -antly for some reason)? Ugh! At the end the crowd was torn between cheering for their country and booing that disgrace. Grrrrrrr!

Mr. Penguin

07-10-2002, 03:19 PM

Gave truth through the night? The rockets gave glare?

I thought I was hearing things as she sang those lines. Maybe she should have turned around and read along with the lines on the scoreboard.

Botsy

07-10-2002, 04:09 PM

One reason why the Pro Bowl analogy does not work is because it is played after the Super Bowl. Not as much of a worry about injuries.

I like the idea of changing the substitution rule for the All-Star Game, but only in the case where all the pitchers have been used.

Pseudolus

07-10-2002, 04:15 PM

I don't know much about the physiology of this stuff, but it seems like it could be tough on a pitcher's arm to get warmed up and pitch all over again just an hour or so after being taken out and expecting that his night is over.

The closest approximation I can think of is a reliever working both halves of a double header. It happens, occasionally, but there's usually a 3-4 hour break between stints, and the pitcher would know ahead of time to be ready for a long day at the office.

Aaron Brachowitz

07-10-2002, 04:22 PM

I don't know much about the physiology of this stuff, but it seems like it could be tough on a pitcher's arm to get warmed up and pitch all over again just an hour or so after being taken out and expecting that his night is over.
In such a situation, the arm would actually detach from the body and flop around on the mound. We're talking 60-day DL, minimum.

frummie

07-10-2002, 05:41 PM

If I do remember correctly, they do change some of the rules for the pro bowl, including no blitzes (I think there was a rule about penalties for being a little rough on the recievers. The rules are geared to allow more scoring).

So lets change some of the mlb all-star rules. Either letting pitchers like Zito, who pitched to one batter, come back in (selig said he had already showered and may hurt himself if he comes back. If he knows before hand, he won't shower), or a home run derby after 11 innings (or better yet, 9 innings). That would be fun for this exhibition!

Inanimate Carbon Rod

07-10-2002, 06:36 PM

"I got screwed! I only got to see the (supposed) best players in baseball play for 11 innings instead of the full 9!"

That's always been the problem with baseball - too many pesky fans thinking the game is being played for their benefit.

Dr T Non-Fan

07-10-2002, 06:40 PM

I thought they'd discover they got screwed when they realized they were in Milwaukee.
If I had a contraction vote...

Drewby

07-12-2002, 10:51 AM

Expand the ASG rosters. And, pitch the starters a little longer - they've "earned" that right, haven't they? At least once through the order, then whatever...

Frustrating, because the pitch counts of the two in there at the end were really quite low, and they were well-rested starting pitchers.

If their respective ballclubs had reservations about them going (ala Pedro), they could always have the pitcher decline the invitation. We would still know who was invited to begin with...

Dr T Non-Fan

07-12-2002, 12:00 PM

I think that the pitchers should make an effort to go to at least every other All-Star Game.

DonkeyPunch (Banned)

07-12-2002, 03:09 PM

This would be a perfect opportunity to try out one of my pet ideas, and invite some fans to come down and play. It would be hysterical!

yeppers-wsmn

07-15-2002, 12:52 PM

Hey DonkeyPunch,

Does your name stand for what I think it does?

Dr T Non-Fan

07-15-2002, 12:59 PM

I heard it as a reference on South Park to some kind of act.

Pseudolus

07-15-2002, 03:49 PM

Check out the official Sony Anastacia forum (http://forums.sonymusic.com/forum.jsp?forum=331) for her fans' thoughts on the anthem debacle. Some good threads:

"Anastacia already criticized over Anthem slip-up..." (http://forums.sonymusic.com/thread.jsp?forum=331&thread=519992&tstart=30&trange=15) started by "slave4anastacia"

"What's Up With The National Anthem?!?!" (http://forums.sonymusic.com/thread.jsp?forum=331&thread=527323&tstart=30&trange=15) started by "sweetie28"

"Anastacia on MLB All-Star Game" (http://forums.sonymusic.com/thread.jsp?forum=331&thread=519782&tstart=45&trange=15) started by "kc_4_anastacia"