Reloaded: Seventh Haunt

[Jables]

Well, we were wrong about Last Train (sorry, dude!), but our next highest suspicion was right, as the students acted on Werewolf haunts from Last Train and lawfi5h...

There was plenty of flipflopping with the votes this round, but the final four votes that killed Werewolf came from Butters, J.T., Travis, and urysohn (in that order). Whether you think this leans more to their innocence or not, I don't know. Would an EC vote for one of their own when the numbers are dwindling? Would urysohn for example kill one of his own thinking all hope is lost for Werewolf to save his own skin? Of course, a lot has to do with whether there's one or two EC remaining...

Please vote for your top two suspects, so we can get an idea of who our top two targets are as a group, and to have an alternate ready if our main suspect actually gets executed by the EC (if they choose to execute this time)

[Spidurman]

if I were EC - I could see a first vote for one of our own (ass covering theory), but not a third or fourth.

[Leela]

I was looking through the round where the students killed Macroman. Here's what happened starting at the first suggestion of Macroman. 5 votes were needed for a lynching.

BR unofficial votes for Macroman.
mole tells students to start officially voting because deadline is 24 hrs away.
urysohn votes Macroman
BR votes Macroman
Werewolf brings up Amazing Race information and unofficially votes for Macroman (very strange move for an EC to make IMO)
J.T. votes Macroman
Travis posts but doesn't not change his vote from ury.
All Clear votes Last Train
All Clear votes Macroman and then gives proxy to ury
Werewolf votes Macroman (seemingly lynching him)
4sigma states he's not sure of the intent of AC's vote. So, Macroman is not dead yet.
Butters votes Werewolf
ury uses AC's vote to clearly vote for Macroman
Macroman is dead.


I'm not sure if there's anything we can gather from this now that we know Werewolf is EC except that Werewolf was acting very strangely towards and EC partner (giving evidence and casting the last vote).

I would think this make All Clear look less suspicious. Why would EC pile on the last two votes?

Other than that nothing really jumps out at me.

[RedSoxFan]

Generally we think the EC would not be sold bold as to vote for one of their own for a lynching unless the outcome was all but certain. But at this late stage with so many EC left relative to the students, we can't discount the possibility that the EC might even start the bandwagon against one of their own EC, thus sacrificing one of their own but giving them a really good alibi in the endgame.

Of course, this is the same EC that passed when every model constructed said it was a big mistake to do so.

[lawfi5h]

I'm not sure if there's anything we can gather from this now that we know Werewolf is EC except that Werewolf was acting very strangely towards and EC partner (giving evidence and casting the last vote).


It's a shame all our PMs are now gone, or I could go back through the PMs fron werewolf in the alliance....

To shame I did not save them.

[Spidurman]

There's nothing good there.....the bulk of it was bandwagonning and talking about spreading votes.

[Spidurman]

Assuming JT wasn't executed, shall we?

[Asynchronous]

JT has my vote, I mean haunt. Or at least she will. Which leads me to...

Staplers - is it a free-for-all, or do we want to have some organized way to determinie who casts the first haunt on our target? (lottery, pre-approved posting time, etc.)


p.s. I was convinced that Ury was innocent, but if All Clear just got executed, I'm going to have to reassess this in light of Ury's vote for him. Too many "coincidences" as of late.

[Spidurman]

JT has my vote, I mean haunt. Or at least she will. Which leads me to...

Staplers - is it a free-for-all, or do we want to have some organized way to determinie who casts the first haunt on our target? (lottery, pre-approved posting time, etc.)


p.s. I was convinced that Ury was innocent, but if All Clear just got executed, I'm going to have to reassess this in light of Ury's vote for him. Too many "coincidences" as of late.

I'll be honest, I don't think we're the stapler round, the students are. Of course my instincts are about as good as well...nm

[Leela]

I personally don't care about getting the stapler.

Since J.T. is clearly our choice this time, I think it should be a free-for-all after the death scene. So, as soon as you see a death scene posted, assuming it's not J.T. and we have not reached a majority of haunts, you should haunt J.T.

[EB]

Staplers - is it a free-for-all, or do we want to have some organized way to determinie who casts the first haunt on our target? (lottery, pre-approved posting time, etc.)
I assume it is a free-for-all. FWIW, I'll try my best not to be the first haunt this time.

[Last Train to Skaville]

I'm good with J.T., but would not at all be opposed to BR too.

[Leela]

I assume once we get the necessary haunts for J.T., the extra ones will go to BR since he was next most suspicious according to the poll.

[snafu]

I'm back from holiday. Since I've already got a stapler, I'll defer in the voting to let others have a chance.

FYI, my money is still on Travis as the last EC.

[Leela]

We need three more haunts on J.T. at this point (after my haunt).

[Jables]

I haunted... 2 more needed

[Spidurman]

I haunted... 2 more needed

great pic choice :D

[Jables]

great pic choice :D
Thanks, I almost abandoned the idea after my first page of SafeSearch Google Image Search results for "JT" gave me a picture of some dude's package...

[Leela]

One more haunt needed.

Spidur, do you want to finish her off with Butters' haunt?

[Spidurman]

I'm trying to find the post where i got his proxy to double check the instructions....

Got it - she's dead

[Asynchronous]

There is one thing the EC did that I would never, ever have done. I've shared that with three people, all of whom are now ghosts. I don't see any point in bringing it up again though, since bringing it up that many times only makes it more suspicious and I don't expect anybody else puts as much stock in it as I know I do myself.


Would anyone like to share this tidbit of information???

[Leela]

I would suggest that any ghost who has not haunted this round haunt BR since he is next most suspicious according to the poll unless you are extremely suspicious of another player. (I expect snafu will haunt Travis based on his earlier post.) I will try to send out a pm to all the ghosts who have not haunted yet which will include the results of the poll and asks them to haunt BR, unless someone else gets around to it first.

[Leela]

Would anyone like to share this tidbit of information???

I second Asynch's request.

[Jables]

I second Asynch's request.
I third it.

[snafu]

fourth it

And I would prefer to cast my haunt for Travis but will stick to the party line and haunt BR if there are objections. I'll hold my haunt until toward the end of the ghost round in case anyone feels strongly against my haunting Travis.

[Jables]

Um, if we'd like the students to get our recommendation for BR, we'd better haunt him quickly...

BR and ury have both voted for All Clear.
BR has the proxy for All Clear's vote, but can't use it to vote for All Clear.
Travis could log in at any time and complete the kill on All Clear without us getting any additional haunts out.

If you haven't haunted yet, do so now!

[Leela]

I have sent a pm to the ghosts who haven't haunted this round (except snafu) asking them to haunt BR.

[Leela]

The mole brought up a good point in the game thread. There's no way the students are going to lynch BR this round since he holds 2 of the 4 votes.

Do we want to decide who to recommend from the remaining three (All Clear, ury, Travis), or do we want to continue with BR?

[J.T.]

:wave: Meanies! Train, how could you???

It had to do with fairness of lynching. He didn't feel that he would have taken some players out so early. It was one of the reasons I felt he was innocent. Lately, from some of his posts, I'm not so sure.

It had to do with 1 person in particular, who was knocked out early in both games. This did seem very much like ury, who wants everyone to have fun in the game.

It does make me think he's innocent, but I don't like his recent analysis (not only because it includes me).

It is good to note that BR will not be lynched this round. Because of the proxy of All Clear's vote, that would mean that everyone else would have to vote for him (he would have been the smarter haunt (ah yes, but hindsight is 20/20)). Don't know if Train remembers, but ury will most likely not vote for him.

[J.T.]

One more thing I noticed in my quick read of the forum. Ury did try to speed up the WW lynching because both of us didn't feel like Train was guilty. I wasn't quite quick enough to get the vote in although we still needed another one (got caught up at work). At the time of the haunt, I was confident that Train was innocent. I assume Ury felt that way too, but he could have known that Train was innocent, and it was a nice ploy to keep him off the radar.

I find it interesting that lawfi5h is the only one that suspects him (at least in the votes).

[lawfi5h]

I find it interesting that lawfi5h is the only one that suspects him (at least in the votes).
Deja vu (all over again).

[J.T.]

You aren't the only one lawfi5h. You now have a supporter.

[lawfi5h]

You aren't the only one lawfi5h. You now have a supporter.
awesome. But you already had my vote in the "cage". :wink:

[Last Train to Skaville]

One more thing I noticed in my quick read of the forum. Ury did try to speed up the WW lynching because both of us didn't feel like Train was guilty. I wasn't quite quick enough to get the vote in although we still needed another one (got caught up at work). At the time of the haunt, I was confident that Train was innocent. I assume Ury felt that way too, but he could have known that Train was innocent, and it was a nice ploy to keep him off the radar.

I find it interesting that lawfi5h is the only one that suspects him (at least in the votes).

I still think ury is innocent. Partly because he did try to save me...when he had no real reason to. Partly because of his statements about early lynchings, which is in keeping with his personality.

I hope the students take down BR.

[Leela]

Train,

They won't take BR down because BR hold 2 of the 4 votes. He won't use All Clear's proxy to vote for himself. If we're pretty sure ury is innocent, we should use an extra haunt, if we have any, for Travis or All Clear.

[Last Train to Skaville]

Yeah, that's what I thought. But perhaps this will be a case where deadlocked students will be the better alternative.

Frankly, I wonder if this may point the finger towards All Clear.

[urysohn]

One more thing I noticed in my quick read of the forum. Ury did try to speed up the WW lynching because both of us didn't feel like Train was guilty. I wasn't quite quick enough to get the vote in although we still needed another one (got caught up at work). At the time of the haunt, I was confident that Train was innocent. I assume Ury felt that way too, but he could have known that Train was innocent, and it was a nice ploy to keep him off the radar.

I find it interesting that lawfi5h is the only one that suspects him (at least in the votes).
actually, half the reason I tried it was to get a read on your reaction. I was not really all that convinced of your innocence, even while I was not overly suspicious of you.