Police Academy: Baghdad!

[2pac Shakur]

http://villagevoice.com/blogs/bushbeat/archive/images/Frick,-Iraqi-police-academy-thumb.jpg
Horror movie: A U.S. soldier chews out an Iraqi police academy trainee. Yes, that's an American football helmet. (DOD photo)



FOR MONTHS NOW, we've been hearing that Iraqi police and other security forces are being trained to take over control of their chaotic, dangerous country.

But a Voice review of the Bush regime's official weekly "status reports" indicates that the number of police may have actually fallen by more than 33 percent in the past year.

http://villagevoice.com/blogs/bushbeat/archive/000814.php


I'm sure some company like Halliburton was paid billions to get the Iraqi military equipped and trained. They then took a bunch of football helmets, and crap from the Army Surplus store, gave it to the Iraqis and billed Uncle Sam for it. You think these companies are in a hurry to leave Iraq? I've got a condo in Fallujah you might be interested in buying...

[krank]

He looks like a good run stuffer to me, probably wasn't able to get off his block on that play

[Elisha]

I have to admit that the topic thread is pretty funny...and sad to say at least somewhat justified.

[O. Hannah]

http://www.d-2-128.org/photos/photo03/031202.JPG

[2pac Shakur]

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[2pac Shakur]

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I bet we leave Iraq soon.

[2pac Shakur]

When Bush leaves office, and the full extent of how bad he Katrina'd Iraq is made clear, even the flagwaverz might finally be forced to admit 2pac was right - again. We've got the biggest bunch of incompetent fools ever to hold office in complete control of looting Iraq, the way they have the DHS. Yet we keep sending them money. What a freaking joke.

[fallout]

When Bush leaves office, and the full extent of how bad he Katrina'd Iraq is made clear, even the flagwaverz might finally be forced to admit 2pac was right - again. We've got the biggest bunch of incompetent fools ever to hold office in complete control of looting Iraq, the way they have the DHS. Yet we keep sending them money. What a freaking joke.


Slow day on those alien websites?

[2pac Shakur]

Don't disagree with what I'm saying?

[fallout]

Don't disagree with what I'm saying?


Whats to disagree with? Those that hate bush will conclude this no matter what happens and those that love him will think it was a great success no matter what happens. Everyone will think they are right and go on cheering for their teams.

[2pac Shakur]

Whats to disagree with? Those that hate bush will conclude this no matter what happens and those that love him will think it was a great success no matter what happens. Everyone will think they are right and go on cheering for their teams.

And one of those sides will actually present proof to back up their claims.
While the other side will wave their flags more vigorously.

[fallout]

And one of those sides will actually present proof to back up their claims.
While the other side will wave their flags more vigorously.


Yes, but how the sides react, depends entirely on which side you are on and which direction you are looking.

[Riscalculator]

Of a class of 1,000 Freshmen entering college, how many graduate?

If 25%-35% is correct, then 65%-75% will leave the college in some span of time over 3-4 years, thus 33% leaving the 'Police Academy' is a pretty good attrition rate. Agree?

Please post stats showing how the 33% was calculated.... by a media correspondent, not a math major.

:sleep:

[Riscalculator]

extracted from the blog linked in post #1 of this thread: highlighted for emphasis on key points to be discussed below...


The figures, bad as they were last month, are no better now. In the February 2, 2005, official report, the total number of "trained & equipped police and highway patrol" was listed by the U.S. State Department as 57,290. The March 9 report puts that figure at 55,015. That's progress?

But of course, the total of "other forces" went up by about 5,000. What these "others" are is not known. Please. We weren't born yesterday.

But why stop at yesterday when we're going backward? Let's go back a year, when the weekly reports, issued in those days by the U.S. Defense Department, provided much more detailed breakdowns. The March 2, 2004, weekly report listed the number of Iraqi police at 81,852.

So, there were 81,852 police in March 2004, and in March 2005 there are 55,015? That's a drop of 32.8 percent.

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'81.9k police' = 'Freshman class'

'55.0k TRAINED and EQUIPPED police = Graduating Class, with suits, ties, calculators.


attrition rate = 33% is low relative to attrition rates for college students.

Next mis-calculation to debunk, please...? Step right up!

[Riscalculator]

2pac, you really need to check your work before submitting it for approval.

I only have to 'critique' my subordinates once or twice before they get the idea that they need to check all their work before submitting it to me. You're in danger of getting a poor performance review this quarter! :judge:

[2pac Shakur]

Pullout by year-end? 'I can't promise it,' says Rumsfeld
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
05/17/2006

WASHINGTON — The prospects for bringing U.S. soldiers home from Iraq depends largely on political progress in Baghdad and on continued progress in training and equipping Iraqi security forces, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld told the Senate Appropriations defense subcommittee on Wednesday.

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/nation/story/6772595087F49E7886257172001B521A?OpenDocument

This is a new development.
We just gotta train the Iraqi troops, then we'll leave.
Should be any day now...

[true progressive]

You need to stay off the Villagevoice blog dude.

I like what they say about their link to al jazeera...

"Despite occasional antisemitic pap, lots of revealing info."

Wipe off planet = occasional anti-semitic pap?

Alrighty then.

[2pac Shakur]

You need to stay off the Villagevoice blog dude.

I like what they say about their link to al jazeera...

"Despite occasional antisemitic pap, lots of revealing info."

Wipe off planet = occasional anti-semitic pap?

Alrighty then.

So you think we're gonna be leaving Iraq soon?
I think the Iraqi troops are almost trained and ready.
Much improved in the year since I started this thread.

[ShebaPoe]

Some people I know who have been there have stated emphatically that the idea of a trained Iraqi police force is complete mythology.

According to one person, a captain in the Army who has spent several years there, the men joining the police force are often insurgents, because they know that they will get access to weapons and some sort of "power" and legitimacy.

The "number" of trained police means nothing.

You don't force a nation to choose democracy. It doesn't work. When we leave, the values in place before we got there will return. Societal values don't change in a year, or a decade.

[Werewolf]

You don't force a nation to choose democracy. It doesn't work. When we leave, the values in place before we got there will return. Societal values don't change in a year, or a decade.

As demonstrated by Germany and Japan. Pre-WWII Japan had a society that endorsed the belief that all power rested with the people, right?

[true progressive]

You don't force a nation to choose democracy. It doesn't work. When we leave, the values in place before we got there will return. Societal values don't change in a year, or a decade.


That's the spirit.

[2pac Shakur]

Baghdad - A $75 million project to build the largest police academy in Iraq has been so grossly mismanaged that the campus now poses health risks to recruits and might need to be partially demolished, US investigators have found.

The Baghdad Police College, hailed as crucial to U.S. efforts to prepare Iraqis to take control of the country's security, was so poorly constructed that feces and urine rained from the ceilings in student barracks. Floors heaved inches off the ground and cracked apart. Water dripped so profusely in one room that it was dubbed "the rain forest."

"This is the most essential civil security project in the country - and it's a failure," said Stuart W. Bowen Jr., the special inspector general for Iraq reconstruction, an independent office created by Congress. "The Baghdad police academy is a disaster."

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/092806Z.shtml

We need Hightower!

[2pac Shakur]

RIGA, LATVIA - President Bush is asking embattled Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki at their summit in Jordan how best to train Iraqi forces faster so they can shoulder more responsibility for securing the nation torn apart by escalating violence.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061129/ap_on_re_eu/bush

Sounds like a winning plan to me.

[Happy Eellike Prodigality]

I hate when the ceiling rains feces and urine

[Werewolf]

You don't force a nation to choose democracy. It doesn't work. When we leave, the values in place before we got there will return. Societal values don't change in a year, or a decade.

As demonstrated by Germany and Japan. Pre-WWII Japan had a society that endorsed the belief that all power rested with the people, right?

MTS, care to respond?

[2pac Shakur]

WASHINGTON - Training the police is as important to stabilizing Iraq as building an effective army there, but the United States has botched the job by assigning the wrong agencies to the task, two members of the Iraq Study Group said Wednesday.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070131/ap_on_go_co/us_iraq_41

We should put Captain Mowser in charge. He'd probably do a heck of a job.

[2pac Shakur]

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This is our ticket out.

[2pac Shakur]

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I like the picture on the first post.